Way to early but - Is there a better team at picking #29 than the Spurs?

[Dennis the Menace]

2016: Murray at #29
2017: White at #29
2019: Keldon at #29

From a statistical standpoint of hitting on those late picks not sure too many other scenarios could’ve been more promising.

[Harry Callahan]

They were all #29 - did not realize that. Kinda creepy.

The Spurs have two teenagers with promise this year. Hopefully they can improve and help out this season.

[Marcus Bryant]

TP at #28 in 2001

[Marcus Bryant]

Beno at 28 in 2004

[Marcus Bryant]

Mahinmi at 28 in 2005

[Marcus Bryant]

Splitter at #28 in 2007

[Marcus Bryant]

George Hill at #26 in 2008

[Marcus Bryant]

Cory Joseph at #29 in 2011

[Marcus Bryant]

Kyle Anderson at #30 in 2014

[Marcus Bryant]

Not easy pulling NBA players with low picks consistently, despite what some seem to believe.

[peacemaker885]

Player development.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Not easy pulling NBA players with low picks consistently, despite what some seem to believe.

But Pop and the Spurs front office is sh!t, MB. Just ask any one of our resident basketball gurus is this place. PATFO are just a bunch drunk idiots, riding Tim Duncan’s coattails, even after retirement.

[slick'81]

Beno at 28 in 2004


Miss pop bitching him out

[Marcus Bryant]

But Pop and the Spurs front office is sh!t, MB. Just ask any one of our resident basketball gurus is this place. PATFO are just a bunch drunk idiots, riding Tim Duncan’s coattails, even after retirement.

True. You’d never know the Spurs have only missed the playoffs in 4 of the 46 seasons since inception in 1973 by reading some of these morons’ brain droppings.

[azarel]

i'm not used to these positive posts about PATFO tbh... very un-spurstalk like...

[spurraider21]

i'm not used to these positive posts about PATFO tbh... very un-spurstalk like...
their late first rounders pan out at an astounding rate. its really been their FA game, and more specifically, the loyalty contracts which draw deserved criticism. that and pop's rotations

[slick'81]

their late first rounders pan out at an astounding rate. its really been their FA game, and more specifically, the loyalty contracts which draw deserved criticism. that and pop's rotations


Tbf only tony and maybe beno? was resigned of those mentioned

[GreekSpursfan]

Water is wet.

[spurraider21]

Tbf only tony and maybe beno? was resigned of those mentioned
- splitter was re-signed and was a critical piece to a championship team (though he wasn't that big a factor in the finals)

- hill was a pop favorite that even allowed the spurs to dangle tony in trade offers, and his ended up being good enough to net us a lottery pick via trade after we used up all his cheap rookie deal seasons

- kyle anderson ended up being a good player for us, given where he was drafted. it was a financial decision not to bring him back, not a basketball one. lord knows we could have used him last year as a wing defender

- cory joseph and ian mahinmi carved out long NBA careers

those are all quality players, whether they were spurs lifers or not

[slick'81]

- splitter was re-signed and was a critical piece to a championship team (though he wasn't that big a factor in the finals)

- hill was a pop favorite that even allowed the spurs to dangle tony in trade offers, and his ended up being good enough to net us a lottery pick via trade after we used up all his cheap rookie deal seasons

- kyle anderson ended up being a good player for us, given where he was drafted. it was a financial decision not to bring him back, not a basketball one. lord knows we could have used him last year as a wing defender

- cory joseph and ian mahinmi carved out long NBA careers

those are all quality players, whether they were spurs lifers or not


No doubt atleast other teams wanted them and picked where they were u cant ask for much more

[spurraider21]

2012 and 2013 drafts were a waste. didnt have a 1st in 2012 because we had to send that pick to dump RJ. then drafted denmon in 2nd round

in 2013 we picked livio and deshaun thomas. granted, looking back at the 2013 draft, not really anybody of note available after we took livio. jazz stealing gobert 1 pick before us really fucked us. think crabbe is legitimately the best player who was picked after gobert in that draft :lol

[spurraider21]

No doubt atleast other teams wanted them and picked where they were u cant ask for much more
most guys picked in that range wash out and dont live to see another contract anywhere

[slick'81]

most guys picked in that range wash out and dont live to see another contract anywhere


Hoping kj keeps up the trend

[slick'81]

2012 and 2013 drafts were a waste. didnt have a 1st in 2012 because we had to send that pick to dump RJ. then drafted denmon in 2nd round

in 2013 we picked livio and deshaun thomas. granted, looking back at the 2013 draft, not really anybody of note available after we took livio. jazz stealing gobert 1 pick before us really fucked us. think crabbe is legitimately the best player who was picked after gobert in that draft :lol


Gino and scola were also good finds later

[slick'81]

Leon smith and cory alexander were #29

[Emperor]

And to think, Samanic was suppose to be picked at 29th.

[Drom John]

#29 by WS (which hurts all current players)

1 1992 NBA 2 29 NJN P.J. Brown 89.8
2 1976 NBA 2 29 SEA Dennis Johnson 82.6
3 1981 NBA 2 29 KCK Eddie Johnson 65.6
4 1990 NBA 2 29 CHI Toni Kukoc 59.6
5 1986 NBA 2 29 CLE Johnny Newman 50.3
6 1974 NBA 2 29 GSW Phil Smith 41.1
7 1988 NBA 2 29 SAC Vinny Del Negro 40.6
8 2003 NBA 1 29 DAL Josh Howard 38.0
9 1998 NBA 1 29 UTA Nazr Mohammed 34.3
10 1978 NBA 2 29 DET John Long 32.0
11 1980 NBA 2 29 IND Louis Orr 25.7
12 2011 NBA 1 29 SAS Cory Joseph 21.8
13 2009 NBA 1 29 LAL Toney Douglas 12.1
14 1973 NBA 2 29 GSW Derrek Dickey 11.1
15 1982 NBA 2 29 NYK Scott Hastings 9.8
16 2000 NBA 1 29 LAL Mark Madsen 8.2
17 1996 NBA 1 29 CHI Travis Knight 7.9
18 1962 NBA 4 29 DET Reggie Harding 5.7
19 2017 NBA 1 29 SAS Derrick White 4.1
20 2008 NBA 1 29 DET D.J. White 3.8
21 1984 NBA 2 29 IND Stuart Gray 3.3
22 2004 NBA 1 29 IND David Harrison 3.2
23 2016 NBA 1 29 SAS Dejounte Murray 3.2
24 1995 NBA 1 29 SAS Cory Alexander 3.0
25 1983 NBA 2 29 CHI Larry Micheaux 2.5
26 1966 NBA 3 29 PHI Donnie Freeman 2.4
27 1994 NBA 2 29 PHO Antonio Lang 1.7
28 2013 NBA 1 29 OKC Archie Goodwin 1.1
29 2010 NBA 1 29 ORL Daniel Orton 1.0
30 2005 NBA 1 29 MIA Wayne Simien 0.9
31 1972 NBA 2 29 MIL Chuck Terry 0.7
32 2014 NBA 1 29 OKC Josh Huestis 0.7
33 2015 NBA 1 29 BRK Chris McCullough 0.6
34 2007 NBA 1 29 PHO Alando Tucker 0.4
35 1999 NBA 1 29 SAS Leon Smith 0.2
36 1958 NBA 4 29 SYR Tommy Kearns 0.0
37 1989 NBA 2 29 CHH Dyron Nix 0.0
38 1954 NBA 4 29 MLH Phil Martin -0.1
39 1979 NBA 2 29 DET Tony Price -0.1
40 1985 NBA 2 29 SAS Mike Brittain -0.1
41 2018 NBA 1 29 BRK Dzanan Musa -0.1
42 1977 NBA 2 29 IND Alonzo Bradley -0.2
43 1971 NBA 2 29 DET Isaiah Wilson -0.5
44 2012 NBA 1 29 CHI Marquis Teague -0.9
45 2006 NBA 1 29 NYK Mardy Collins -1.6

Never Played
46 1951 NBA 3 29 MNL Bob Payne
47 1955 NBA 4 29 FTW Dick Howard
48 1957 NBA 4 29 NYK Rayford Wells
49 1959 NBA 4 29 STL Lee Harman
50 1960 NBA 4 29 SYR Carl Cole
51 1961 NBA 3 29 PHW Jack Egan
52 1963 NBA 4 29 SFW Dave Downey
53 1964 NBA 4 29 PHI Frank Corace
54 1965 NBA 4 29 DET Jim King
55 1967 NBA 3 29 SDR Richard Moore
56 1968 NBA 3 29 SFW Donald Sidle
57 1969 NBA 2 29 BAL Willie Scott
58 1970 NBA 2 29 PHO Joe DePre
59 1975 NBA 2 29 HOU Jim Blanks
60 1987 NBA 2 29 POR Lester Fonville
61 1991 NBA 2 29 MIA George Ackles
62 1993 NBA 2 29 MIN Sherron Mills
63 1997 NBA 2 29 HOU Serge Zwikker

[Drom John]

ABA
1975 Denver Tom Kropp 0.5
1974 San Antonio Collis Temple 0.1

Unable to determine #29 1967-1973

[Dex]

their late first rounders pan out at an astounding rate. its really been their FA game, and more specifically, the loyalty contracts which draw deserved criticism. that and pop's rotations

Big names either don't want to live in San Antonio, or don't want to play in Pop's system.

The former pretty much speaks for itself...I love SA, but it is far from a fun or flashy city. Do you think NBA players really want to hang out at the Riverwalk or Pearl District?

For the latter...the system obviously has shown it works over the years, but it still requires players to sacrifice stats for the team, be accountable, and give 100% on defense. There are a lot of star players who simply aren't willing to do that, and so San Antonio gets a pass for them.

We could hardly recruit big names when we were legit contenders and had Duncan...I can't imagine how hard of a sell it is for the FO now.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs were fortunate to have had superstars who were apparently fine with SA in Iceman, DRob, and TD over the years. Obviously that wasn’t the case with Nephew. In any event the former were exceptions and the latter is generally the rule in the league. Market size matters so knocking the Spurs for not hauling in free agents is kind of silly and hey they were still able to land LaMarcus.

[phxspurfan]

Draft wise we do have some lucky rabbits foot or something. Besides random euro stashes that didn’t work out we have been decent. And hard to argue with looking at euros since we got TP and Manu that way. Just some of them really aren’t interested in leaving Europe

[BSfromTX]

their late first rounders pan out at an astounding rate. its really been their FA game, and more specifically, the loyalty contracts which draw deserved criticism. that and pop's rotations

as painful as the loyalty contracts are, it still shows future FAs that they won’t be left hanging and that they will be taken care of.

[TDMVPDPOY]

spurs best at developing young players from a long term standpoint pov

then again they are also the best at burying them in the first year, when they have shown they got game, popabitch doesnt play rookies in playoffs first year...fck that pos who cant get over himself cause his not the best at adjusting to mismatches

[rascal]

their late first rounders pan out at an astounding rate. its really been their FA game, and more specifically, the loyalty contracts which draw deserved criticism. that and pop's rotations

Also they do very little with trades.

[rascal]

Spurs were fortunate to have had superstars who were apparently fine with SA in Iceman, DRob, and TD over the years. Obviously that wasn’t the case with Nephew. In any event the former were exceptions and the latter is generally the rule in the league. Market size matters so knocking the Spurs for not hauling in free agents is kind of silly and hey they were still able to land LaMarcus.

One star impact fa in 20+ years.

[FkLA]

their late first rounders pan out at an astounding rate. its really been their FA game, and more specifically, the loyalty contracts which draw deserved criticism. that and pop's rotations

The FA stuff is a San Antonio problem not a PopaGOAT and RC problem. The loyalty contract criticism is fair. It's one thing to do it for the Big 3 but another thing entirely to do it for Wombat and Gasol.

[Marcus Bryant]

One star impact fa in 20+ years.

:lol

[DAF86]

But Pop and the Spurs front office is sh!t, MB. Just ask any one of our resident basketball gurus is this place. PATFO are just a bunch drunk idiots, riding Tim Duncan’s coattails, even after retirement.


True. You’d never know the Spurs have only missed the playoffs in 4 of the 46 seasons since inception in 1973 by reading some of these morons’ brain droppings.

Even the biggest of critics have conceded that drafting is PATFO's biggest strength. Free agency OTOH...

[Marcus Bryant]

Oh, who should they have signed but didn’t?

[wildbill2u]

Best low draft choice signing EVER by any team is Manu Ginoooobilllllllleeeee!