BREAKING: Kawhi Has Agreed to Sign with the Clippers; OKC Also Trading Paul George to the Clippers

[Harry Callahan]

So neph apperrntky been recruiting paul geroge for two weeks now and Geroge formally requested a trade in the proccess.

Thunder wanted to continue with george but didnt want the AD situation to happen with their team.

Isn't that tampering with a player under contract to another team. KY the GM. Don't think that will work long term.

[benefactor]

If he went to the Lakers I honestly would have lost all respect for him
:lol...ok

Anyway, as it has been said everyone(save asswiper2k5) should be able to see that all of this was inevitable. He always wanted to go home and he was going to fuck whoever over in order to make that happen. The Spurs and Toronto both go fucked over but both got a ring out of him. You really can't ask for much more now that his intentions are out in the open.

[Ice009]

I posted last season that the Clippers were the Spurs backup plan to Toronto. If Toronto would've backed out a second time then the Clippers would've gotten Kawhi. The Spurs would've had Harris and picks. The Spurs didn't want to see Kawhi four times a year and didn't want to do him and his uncle any favors. I wanted Harris over Derozan because I thought he was a better fit, but understood them choosing Toronto as a trading partner.

Were the Clippers offering both draft picks? If so, Spurs should have taken that package. If you told me before the Derozan trade that the Clippers are offering Harris plus both draft picks in last year's draft (I would have wanted that as a minimum), I would have taken that deal over Derozan. I think the Spurs made a mistake sending him to the Raptors. He got a ring and went to the Clippers anyway.

[ace3g]

Makes you wonder if the Spurs ever attempted to trade for PG?

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1147392382695985152

[Bellboy]

What's Drake doing right now? :lol

Looking for a mountain to crash that jet into.

[Marcus Bryant]

Makes you wonder if the Spurs ever attempted to trade for PG?

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1147392382695985152

Probably. Here’s a couple nickels.

[Marcus Bryant]

.

[K...]

Did Kawhi really do a Friday 10pm news dump? Or was he aiming for sportcenter prime time west cost?

[Dejounte]

Lmao Lakers. Lmao Raptors. This is great for the league. Good start for my morning.

[Harry Callahan]

So Nephew left Toronto by freakin TEXT message to teammates that helped him a lot last year. Class act. A thief in the night that #2.

[Marcus Bryant]

I posted last season that the Clippers were the Spurs backup plan to Toronto. If Toronto would've backed out a second time then the Clippers would've gotten Kawhi. The Spurs would've had Harris and picks. The Spurs didn't want to see Kawhi four times a year and didn't want to do him and his uncle any favors. I wanted Harris over Derozan because I thought he was a better fit, but understood them choosing Toronto as a trading partner.

That rumored package wasn’t some great haul the Spurs missed out on. Plus they’d have had to resign Harris to 5 years $180 mil. C’mon.

[acoelho1]

On a side note, he will be booed by the Lakers, Spurs & maybe even the Raptor fans. The good news for the Spurs is that both La teams are beatable and they are not as good as the Warriors with Durant.

[Marcus Bryant]

One hundred and eighty mil? Lol

[Harry Callahan]

That rumored package wasn’t some great haul the Spurs missed out on. Plus they’d have had to resign Harris to 5 years $180 mil. C’mon.

Tobias Harris is just "a guy" and Philly let J Butler go. $180MM for an empty stat guy.

[Blackhaus]

I’d rather have Harris and a haul of young players and picks tbh, if that was even on the table. A team of insta balla, white, Harris, gay and Aldridge with a young bench and picks for years sounds a lot better right now.

[Dejounte]

Well, at least there's more parity in the league next season.

But do the Spurs even make the playoffs?

Lakers
Clippers
Warriors
Jazz
Rockets
Trail Blazers
Nuggets
Mavericks

Spurs?

1. Clippers - Kawhi will suddenly start playing like he never was injured
2. Nuggets - All young players with experience now. Dont see them trending down
3. Spurs - more complete team with DJ back and added SF depth. Growth of Lonnie will also help the Spurs
4. Lakers - two injury prone mega stars surrounded by scrubs.
5. Warriors - with Klay out, it will be tough. But theyll still be good
6. Blazers - pretender team will always be in the playoffs but wont ever be champs
7. Mavericks - is Porzingas back? I feel this is a well coached team with more talent now. So theyll make the playoffs
8. Rockets - last season they started the season awful but they bounced back. The rockets did nothing this offseason. Theres no bouncing back if they start awful again.

[Blackhaus]

At least Harris spaces floor. comparing empty stats between DeRozan makes no sense. Harris would do more for what the spurs needs now that DeRozan by a mile.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1147472689654665216

[RC_Drunkford]

5.

Forgot the Lakers :lol

and the Thunder :rollin

[Blackhaus]

I hate nephew, quite dude has turn to a team wrecking ball

[Dejounte]

I’d rather have Harris and a haul of young players and picks tbh, if that was even on the table. A team of insta balla, white, Harris, gay and Aldridge with a young bench and picks for years sounds a lot better right now.

Harris really aint shit and not sure what the fascination with him is.

[playbonner15]

OKC couldve gotten Lou Williams and Shamet too, but I guess Presti is all for a rebuild

[Blackhaus]

At least now we don’t have to hear about him and where he’s going for awhile

[Ice009]

That rumored package wasn’t some great haul the Spurs missed out on. Plus they’d have had to resign Harris to 5 years $180 mil. C’mon.

Who said you'd have to re-sign him? Let him walk if he didn't fit, or wanted too much money.

[bic50]

On a side note, he will be booed by the Lakers, Spurs & maybe even the Raptor fans. The good news for the Spurs is that both La teams are beatable and they are not as good as the Warriors with Durant.
All 3 would look stupid doing that tbh

[Blackhaus]

Who said you'd have to re-sign him? Let him walk.

or a sign and trade and get assets

[Dverde]

That meeting with Toronto must have been like the lunch with Pop. Nephew with his head down on computer sleep mode.

[Dejounte]

Who said you'd have to re-sign him? Let him walk if he didn't fit, or wanted too much money.

Wait so youre saying youre not fine that we didnt get a better package than we did but youre okay with getting just two first round picks from the Clippers in the event Tobias walks. Your logic doesnt make sense and youre crying about nothing.

[baseline bum]

https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1147472689654665216

Autist Snake was trying to kill the AD deal. :lmao

[Dverde]

1147386677079564288

Kawhi’s group taking a dump on Danilo :lol. He’s a nice fit for OKC.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Spurs fans should be over Kawhi now. Toronto did everything for him. Accommodated his every request. Let him load management all he wanted. Let Uncle Dennis rule the roost. And, they won a freakin' title. And, he walked. He was never going to stay with the Spurs, no matter what the Spurs did for him. So get over him.

Exactly. He was gone no matter what we did. He and his group would have always manufactured some issue to justify and rationalize leaving. The only silver lining is the devastating humiliating loss sustained ny the Lakers.

[MoSpur02]

That rumored package wasn’t some great haul the Spurs missed out on. Plus they’d have had to resign Harris to 5 years $180 mil. C’mon.

Agreed. It's not like Harris is some superstar and there are no guarantees with picks, but to me Harris would've been a better fit next to Aldridge. Maybe Harris' free agency this season played a part in the Spurs having the Clippers as their backup plan to Toronto. Sixers had to pay a lot to keep Harris.

[Marcus Bryant]

Who said you'd have to re-sign him? Let him walk if he didn't fit, or wanted too much money.

And then what do you have?

[FkLA]

Still much better than if he went to the Lakers but man that Bev-Nephew-PG13 perimeter defense is going to be nasty, tbh.

[Ice009]

And then what do you have?

Then you can look at trying to open up cap space a lot sooner to sign someone else, or start rebuilding with the young guys.

[bic50]

Autist Snake was trying to kill the AD deal. :lmao
How do we know the clippers aren’t behind all this?

[MoSpur02]

Were the Clippers offering both draft picks? If so, Spurs should have taken that package. If you told me before the Derozan trade that the Clippers are offering Harris plus both draft picks in last year's draft (I would have wanted that as a minimum), I would have taken that deal over Derozan. I think the Spurs made a mistake sending him to the Raptors. He got a ring and went to the Clippers anyway.

I believe so, but not sure. I just know it was picks plus Harris. I wasn't all that excited about the Derozan news when I first got it last summer, but understood it.

[Marcus Bryant]

Then you can look at trying to open up cap space a lot sooner to sign someone else, or start rebuilding with the young guys.

Vague. Now you’re down to a couple prospects.

[Ice009]

Vague. Now you’re down to a couple prospects.

So what are you going to do with Derozan? Build around him, extend him? Please tell me what your strategy with Derozan is?

[Hoops Czar]

Still much better than if he went to the Lakers but man that Bev-Nephew-PG13 perimeter defense is going to be nasty, tbh.

Kawhi Leonard was 249th in DRPM last season.

[Marcus Bryant]

Still under contract.

[tbdog]

On a side note, he will be booed by the Lakers, Spurs & maybe even the Raptor fans. The good news for the Spurs is that both La teams are beatable and they are not as good as the Warriors with Durant.

Boo'd by the Lakers? They play in the same building. There will be boos and cheers.

[Ice009]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27131637/sources-fear-lakers-dynasty-drove-clips-deal?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Had Presti been able to strike a deal for George with the Raptors -- and Leonard was willing to stay -- George was believed to be willing to join the Raptors too, sources said. Presti pursued a package of Russell Westbrook with George to the Raptors -- with the NBA's Most Improved Player, forward Pascal Siakam as the centerpiece of a deal -- and Ujiri balked, league sources said. Ujiri had delivered Leonard everything that he wanted in a franchise: Leadership and trust, championship talent and a medical partnership that preserved and prepared his body. What Ujiri couldn't give Leonard was out of his control: Geography, weather, and a chance to return to his Southern California roots.

[bic50]

Kawhi Leonard was 249th in DRPM last season.
So he can’t play defense anymore?

[Hoops Czar]

So he can’t play defense anymore?

Not well.

[Ice009]

Still under contract.

what does that mean? What's your long term strategy with him? Sure he's under contract right now, so what. What do you plan to do with him? Do you see him as part of the future, if not, what was the point of getting him if you're not going to extend him or re-sign him. At least you could have let Harris walk if you weren't willing to pay what he wanted or if he wasn't willing to take a decent discount to stay.

Would you be looking to trade Derozan and try and get more assets from him?

[Marcus Bryant]

what does that mean? What's your long term strategy with him? Sure he's under contract right now, so what. What do you plan to do with him? Do you see him as part of the future, if not, what was the point of getting him if you're not going to extend him or re-sign him. At least you could have let Harris walk if you weren't willing to pay what he wanted or if he wasn't willing to take a decent discount to stay.

Would you be looking to trade Derozan and try and get more assets from him?

The strategy is to play him next season. At least you don't owe Tobias Harris eleventy billion dollars until 2030.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/TomerAzarly/status/1147388404427976704

NOT BAD

GOAT

[bic50]

Not well.
Ok :rollin

[itzsoweezee]

At least Harris spaces floor. comparing empty stats between DeRozan makes no sense. Harris would do more for what the spurs needs now that DeRozan by a mile.

Absolutely. At least one person on here gets it

[Marcus Bryant]

Autist Snake was trying to kill the AD deal. :lmao

I think he's guaranteed to spend more time on IR than on the court from here on. Everything evens out at some point.

[Marcus Bryant]

Absolutely. At least one person on here gets it

Gets what? $180 mil for someone who can hit the 3? Don't be daft.

[HarlemHeat37]

Tobias Harris for 5 more years on a max deal is easily worse than DeRozan for 2 years:lol

Harris's deal is almost John Wall bad..

[Ice009]

Tobias Harris for 5 more years on a max deal is easily worse than DeRozan for 2 years:lol

Harris's deal is almost John Wall bad..

For the record, I would not have re-signed Harris for a max contract. I would have let him walk. If he took a big discount and also fit on the team, maybe I would have considered it re-signing him to the right deal, but no way would I ever give him max money. Not sure what Philadelphia was thinking there.

[itzsoweezee]

Gets what? $180 mil for someone who can hit the 3? Don't be daft.

Who said anything about 180 million? Regardless, Harris is a much more valuable basketball player than fucking DeMar DeRozan

[Marcus Bryant]

Who said anything about 180 million? Regardless, Harris is a much more valuable basketball player than fucking DeMar DeRozan

That's what it costs these days for fucking Tobias Harris. Figure it out.

[loveforthegame]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27131637/sources-fear-lakers-dynasty-drove-clips-deal

So Leonard gave the Raptors the chance to get a deal with OKC but they couldn’t match what the Clippers could.


In a wild night of negotiations, Presti leveraged the Clippers and Raptors off each other, preying on the uncertainties of what the other might be willing to give Oklahoma City for the chance to secure Leonard and George -- and perhaps the inside track on a championship.

Clippers leadership -- Ballmer, Frank and general manager Michael Winger -- harbored fears that Presti was close to striking a deal with Toronto that would have delivered George to Leonard and the NBA champions, sources said.

Had Presti been able to strike a deal for George with Toronto -- and Leonard was willing to stay -- George was believed to be willing to join the Raptors, sources said. Presti pursued a package of Russell Westbrook and George to the Raptors -- with the NBA's Most Improved Player, forward Pascal Siakam, as the centerpiece of a broader, asset-crippling deal -- but Ujiri couldn't keep up with the Clippers' willingness to unload unprotected first-round picks into the middle of the next decade, league sources said. Simply, Toronto didn't have the depth of picks it needed to get a deal done -- nor the certainty that getting George would make Leonard stay with the Raptors, sources said.

[midnightpulp]

Still much better than if he went to the Lakers but man that Bev-Nephew-PG13 perimeter defense is going to be nasty, tbh.

Just glad the helmet crew is eating shit right now.

:cry Patfo! Patfo! Patfo! :cry
:cry Porker and Manure's comments :cry
:cry They didn't gib him talent :cry

And all that other bullshit. He left a fuckin' title team in an Eastern Conference where the only competition for the next half decade would be the Bucks and maybe Sixers (they set themselves back with the Tobias Harris contract), He had a roster filled with young talent and solid vets, and would be playing in a city that would worship him and for a wet blanket coach who bows to his whims. Didn't matter. LA was the goal. Always was the goal. Common enemies, strange bedfellows and all that, so :lol at how he and Dennis manipulated the Lakers, but the way they strung the Lakers along so they'd miss out on FAs gives insight into how sneaky that camp is.

:lol at anyone who though PATFO was the villain in this situation.

[Marcus Bryant]

Just glad the helmet crew is eating shit right now.

:cry Patfo! Patfo! Patfo! :cry
:cry Porker and Manure's comments :cry
:cry They didn't gib him talent :cry

And all that other bullshit. He left a fuckin' title team in an Eastern Conference where the only competition for the next half decade would be the Bucks and maybe Sixers (they set themselves back with the Tobias Harris contract), He had a roster filled with young talent and solid vets, and would be playing in a city that would worship him and for a wet blanket coach who bows to his whims. Didn't matter. LA was the goal. Always was the goal. Common enemies, strange bedfellows and all that, so :lol at how he and Dennis manipulated the Lakers, but the way they strung the Lakers along so they'd miss out on FAs gives insight into how sneaky that camp is.

:lol at anyone who though PATFO was the villain in this situation.

:tu

[pgardn]

:lol at anyone who though PATFO was the villain in this situation.

[cd021]

Well, at least there's more parity in the league next season.

But do the Spurs even make the playoffs?

Lakers
Clippers
Warriors
Jazz
Rockets
Trail Blazers
Nuggets
Mavericks

Spurs?

No way GSW or Dallas makes it over the Spurs, that is silly to me. OKC may still be better than those two teams.

[K...]

First the nba should so north south divisions so they can move the clips, warriors, timby, port, as we get Hawks, magic, Charlotte , and heat. Level things out. Or do quarters and change focus every other year (ie SW plays NW or se but rarely ne)

[kobyz]

The clippers also having last year steal of the draft- Shamet, and this year steal of the draft- Mfiondu... Stacked!

[Mugen]

I love Kawhi, buying the jersey tbh

[dbestpro]

I am in the camp where this is good news for the Spurs. The young core of the Clips that played so hard has been broken up. The Clips like the Lakers are just a two star team. This is going to move the NBA back to team ball. The best team to play team ball is going to win it all. I put Utah at the top of the west because of their intelligent play. The Spurs have a chance if Pop can get DDR to be more cerebral. We potentially have the best defensive backcourt in the NBA with Murray, and White.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol idiots still protecting PATFO who ran off the young studs around kawhi in favor of more enrique and turnoboli 1yr vet loyalty contracts

paying mills and gasol stupid loyalty contracts...

[MannyIsGod]

For the record, I would not have re-signed Harris for a max contract. I would have let him walk. If he took a big discount and also fit on the team, maybe I would have considered it re-signing him to the right deal, but no way would I ever give him max money. Not sure what Philadelphia was thinking there.

And having DeRozan now for 2 years is better than letting him walk. The Spurs are not that far from contention in this new west. If their youth take big enough steps this year then there's no they can't compete. Is it likely that they'll be a top 4 seed in the West, no. Is it possible, yeah, it actually is.

Plus DeRozan has value if teams get desperate.

[pgardn]

lol idiots still protecting PATFO who ran off the young studs around kawhi in favor of more enrique and turnoboli 1yr vet loyalty contracts

paying mills and gasol stupid loyalty contracts...

lol at the Australian ape who thinks PATFO could change things with an autistic Uncle directed shell of a human.

[Dverde]

This would only get better if Anthony Davis leaves next year for the East.

[loveforthegame]

https://www.newbalance.com/basketball/

His new Clippers limited edition shoe drop sold out in minutes too.

[Marcus Bryant]

And having DeRozan now for 2 years is better than letting him walk. The Spurs are not that far from contention in this new west. If their youth take big enough steps this year then there's no they can't compete. Is it likely that they'll be a top 4 seed in the West, no. Is it possible, yeah, it actually is.

Plus DeRozan has value if teams get desperate.

:tu Wide open.

[ducks]

Wow.

I'm still processing, tbh.

Thunder appear to be a pretty big winner too because they get a Herschel Walker type deal for PG13 and that could pull them out of mediocrity.
Thunder should start over and trade russel

[Nivek_ogre]

lol idiots still protecting PATFO who ran off the young studs around kawhi in favor of more enrique and turnoboli 1yr vet loyalty contracts

paying mills and gasol stupid loyalty contracts...

Young studs? Simmons? Anderson? Dedmon? Those guys are trash and possibly out of the league after their current contract is up. Gasol is rightfully gone. Mills sucks but no front office is perfect. The spurs are in a good position now for the future. Let derozan and Aldridge be place holders until the youth is ready. But some people are only happy if they bitch about everything

[Uriel]

I think you are mixing up 'star or superstar level' with 'elite'. Elite is around the top 20%, in any context, NBA included.

Consider that very soon Max level contracts available will be (at least) one per team. There will soon be more max contracts than all-star players in every given year...

Gallinari is just there, one of the top 80. Nothign more, but nothing less. And yes DDR (whom I want gone, btw) is better than Gallo, but overall only slightly.

(Lebron is worse than Gallinari on defense tbh)
Elite is around the top 20% in ANY CONTEXT? Really?

So a school like the University of Southern Mississippi is considered an elite university because it’s ranked in the top 20% of schools in the US?

[bic50]

I think he's guaranteed to spend more time on IR than on the court from here on. Everything evens out at some point.
Exaggeration

[rasuo214]

Autist Snake was trying to kill the AD deal. :lmao

If he found a way to fuck up the AD deal and still signed with the Clippers, I would have retired his number asap.

[Dverde]

Nephew upgrading his health care. Went from a Nurse in Toronto to a Doc in Los Angeles.

[HarlemHeat37]

Kawhi is the best example of how the fans will always protect you, as long as you shut up and dribble and don't divert their attention away from basketball, tbh..

Even his increasingly Harden-like game hasn't deterred them..

[rasuo214]

Also I would have 100% done the Clippers trade, then traded Harris to the Sixers at the deadline. Shamet would have been a much better fit for this team than Demar. No idea who they would have got with the picks but SGA would have been another nice young guard to add onto the team.

[Light]

Nephew upgrading his health care. Went from a Nurse in Toronto to a Doc in Los Angeles.

:lol

[dbreiden83080]

Gotta feel for the Raptors a little. They might as well close up shop TBH. They got a Superstar player thanks to one of the shadiest situations in league history, take it all the way to the top, and still could not get him to stay. Truly nobody wants to play there..

[SpursDynasty85]

Also I would have 100% done the Clippers trade, then traded Harris to the Sixers at the deadline. Shamet would have been a much better fit for this team than Demar. No idea who they would have got with the picks but SGA would have been another nice young guard to add onto the team.

Lose Kawhi and gain more gaurds? Let's roll with5 gaurd lineups from now on.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Let's roll with5 gaurd lineups from now on.

https://s-hdnux-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/s.hdnux.com/photos/12/37/47/2750944/17/375x250.jpg

[Spurs fever]

Gotta feel for the Raptors a little. They might as well close up shop TBH. They got a Superstar player thanks to one of the shadiest situations in league history, take it all the way to the top, and still could not get him to stay. Truly nobody wants to play there..

The majority of them talked shit to us and blamed the Spurs 100% for everything not knowing shit. I'm glad it happened to them.

[spursparker9]

Raptors nearly traded for Paul George, Russell Westbrook to try to keep Kawhi - Woj | SportsCenter


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh4y1VxvdXk

[MoSpur02]

And having DeRozan now for 2 years is better than letting him walk. The Spurs are not that far from contention in this new west. If their youth take big enough steps this year then there's no they can't compete. Is it likely that they'll be a top 4 seed in the West, no. Is it possible, yeah, it actually is.

Plus DeRozan has value if teams get desperate.

I agree. If Derozan would actually work on a 3pt shot this team would be a lot better. White is going to be better and so is Murray. Poeltle is actually going to be better too. Adding Carroll helps too. I'm only concerned about our aging non-defending role players like Mills and Belinelli. Gay has been solid so that's a good thing too.

[Dverde]

Toronto Raptor :lol enjoy your championship.

https://i.imgur.com/NMyfsxF_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Larry O]

Looks like #2 is coming full circle of what would have been if the trade from the Pacers and the Spurs didn't happen. He and PG13 could have been trouble in the East? Would they have eventually gone to LA together after their first contract with the Pacers was up? And could this have been #2's plan all along, to end up in LA, even if he's was drafted by the Spurs? Or is Uncle Den-Den the mastermind behind all of this? But now that they are finally together in the West, we'll see what they can do? It's interesting that #2 wanted PG13 to be the player play alongside him. Unlike LMA, will PG13 defer to #2? The 2019/20 season will be very interesting to say the least. Let's see what the Spurs will do this season! Western Conference Finals between the Spurs and the Clippers? ��Hmmm... GSG!!!

[loveforthegame]

:lmao

https://mobile.twitter.com/Travonne/status/1147524558259228672

[Robz4000]

Just woke up to this.

:lmao Lakers

[rasuo214]

Lose Kawhi and gain more gaurds? Let's roll with5 gaurd lineups from now on.

Spurs probably don't draft Lonnie or they take him over SGA. Could have also taken a risk on MPJ, or tried to trade up for Luka (really anywhere in the top 5 would have been a big win).

[MoSpur02]

:lmao at Fred VanVleet and the Lakers

[Seventyniner]

:lmao

https://mobile.twitter.com/Travonne/status/1147524558259228672

Amazing.

[ironman2886]

The majority of them talked shit to us and blamed the Spurs 100% for everything not knowing shit. I'm glad it happened to them.
This.

[NameLess Scrub]

So, does Westchuck get traded next? Doubt he wants to play on the team that OKC can currently put on the court.

Well considering his history he might even be glad. More stats for him.

[ZeusWillJudge]

LMAO! Christmas in July. Autist fucked over Toronto, Lakers, AND the Clippers. :lol

Kawhi: I'll only come if you'll also sign Paul George.
West: Whatever you want Kawhi. We'll mortgage the future for you. We can put three G-Leaguers in the SL with you, and you'll still win the LOB.

[Spurs Homer]

Westbrook not gonna be happy to find out he was trade fodder...

Unless Presti played 3d chess and clued him in...


:stirpot:

[RD2191]

:lmao

https://mobile.twitter.com/Travonne/status/1147524558259228672

:lmao

[NameLess Scrub]

Was ST in general right all along?

He wanted to go to LA. Raptors bent over and still got screwed.

I also always thought switching DDR with Kawhi would make the Raptors strong contenders as long as Kawhi was healthy :downspin:

[Ron Swanson]

:lmao

https://mobile.twitter.com/Travonne/status/1147524558259228672

:lmao

[sasaint]

https://s-hdnux-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/s.hdnux.com/photos/12/37/47/2750944/17/375x250.jpg

Haha! The godfather of small ball.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Gotta feel for the Raptors a little. They might as well close up shop TBH. They got a Superstar player thanks to one of the shadiest situations in league history, take it all the way to the top, and still could not get him to stay. Truly nobody wants to play there..


No we don't. Fuck those Canucks, their caring coach, their attentive medical staff, and their adoring fans.

When a guy wins a Championship, gets a chance to come back to a virtually intact team for a lot more money, and still bolts? What are the chances they attract another superstar to come play with Fred Fucking VanVleet? Pretty much zero. Who's crying now, you fucking showbirds?

[dbreiden83080]

No we don't. Fuck those Canucks, their caring coach, their attentive medical staff, and their adoring fans.

When a guy wins a Championship, gets a chance to come back to a virtually intact team for a lot more money, and still bolts? What are the chances they attract another superstar to come play with Fred Fucking VanVleet? Pretty much zero. Who's crying now, you fucking showbirds?

Yeah that is what I am saying nobody wants to be there. The highs and lows. And now they are in the basement. No chance to win the East next season. And For Westbrook LOL!!!!!! Nobody and I mean nobody in the whole league wants to play with you...

[sasaint]

Well considering his history he might even be glad. More stats for him.


I also had that thought just as I was posting. Maybe Russ will want out, but maybe OKC will want to get off the Westchuck Treadmill. We shall see.

From a team that had such big names and so much talent, what - 5 years ago - OKC is on the verge of going into Charlotte mode.

[dbreiden83080]

Gotta hand it to Number 2. He fucked over the Lakers something awful. Basically got engaged, and then blew town before the wedding LOL.. So funny the Lakers got embarrassed like this..

[SpursDynasty85]

Westbrook not gonna be happy to find out he was trade fodder...

Unless Presti played 3d chess and clued him in...


:stirpot: 1
Bro the whole organization allowed Westbrook to chase after triple doubles, gain popularity, helped him win m1vp despite onky being a roughly top 15 player, and he always craps the bed in the playoffs. At some point a billion dollar company has to cut ties somehow. His contract is horrible.

[coachmac87]

Kawhi is the best example of how the fans will always protect you, as long as you shut up and dribble and don't divert their attention away from basketball, tbh..

Even his increasingly Harden-like game hasn't deterred them..


Real G’s move in silence

[bic50]

LMAO! Christmas in July. Autist fucked over Toronto, Lakers, AND the Clippers. :lol

Kawhi: I'll only come if you'll also sign Paul George.
West: Whatever you want Kawhi. We'll mortgage the future for you. We can put three G-Leaguers in the SL with you, and you'll still win the LOB.
Toronto didn’t get fucked over. They knew what they were risking when they made the trade but they got a title out of it. Clippers have a chance to win now. They’re not coming out the loaded west with just Kawhi and no other star. The league would have been screwed had he joined the lakers that’s just another superteam that’s going to dominate for Atleast the next 3-5 years. Have a proper balance in the league now.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Yeah that is what I am saying nobody wants to be there. The highs and lows. And now they are in the basement. No chance to win the East next season. And For Westbrook LOL!!!!!! Nobody and I mean nobody in the whole league wants to play with you...


Yeah, I'm with you all except the part about feeling sorry for them. Fuck 'em and their load management - as if the Spurs never thought of giving their best players nights off when they need it.

[Pavlov]

Toronto didn’t get fucked over.Sure they did. They just knew it was a possibility going in.

[ace3g]

NB had the shoes already made, lol

https://twitter.com/KicksFinder/status/1147502815272669184

[bic50]

Sure they did. They just knew it was a possibility going in.
They made the trade to win a championship. It worked out. Just so happens it was for only one season.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Toronto didn’t get fucked over. They knew what they were risking when they made the trade but they got a title out of it.


Nope. Toronto got fucked over. When you surround a guy with Championship talent, give him every B2B night off, bench blowjobs, whatever he wants - then you offer him the biggest contract possible, and promise him anything else he wants? When the city promises him anything, including a luxury condo or whatever the fuck, free meals, keys to the city? There is every reason for them to expect him to stay and go for the repeat, three-peat, etc.

Kawhi fucked Toronto over. And that makes me smile a little.




Sure they did. They just knew it was a possibility going in.

Exactly.

[K...]

NB had the shoes already made, lol

https://twitter.com/KicksFinder/status/1147502815272669184

Those are clown shoes and don't let anyone tell you otherwise

[LCM]

NB had the shoes already made, lol

https://twitter.com/KicksFinder/status/1147502815272669184

Holy crap!!! That is too damn funny!! Did NB ship the purple and gold prototypes to needy kids in Africa??

[Pavlov]

They made the trade to win a championship. It worked out. Just so happens it was for only one season.And then they got fucked over.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Danny_Heifetz/status/1147391691344797697

[RD2191]

https://twitter.com/Danny_Heifetz/status/1147391691344797697

:lmao

[sasaint]

No we don't. Fuck those Canucks, their caring coach, their attentive medical staff, and their adoring fans.

When a guy wins a Championship, gets a chance to come back to a virtually intact team for a lot more money, and still bolts? What are the chances they attract another superstar to come play with Fred Fucking VanVleet? Pretty much zero. Who's crying now, you fucking showbirds?

Yep, this feels as good as it possibly could. Fucked the sanctimonious Canucks AND the still-arrogant Lakers AND went to a team with karma almost as bad as Portland’s. I don’t see the Clips winning the LOB at all.

[ironman2886]

https://twitter.com/Danny_Heifetz/status/1147391691344797697
I can’t tell you how relevant and true the Dennis system is to Kawhi/Uncle Dennis system. Scary.

[RD2191]

I can’t tell you how relevant and true the Dennis system is to Kawhi/Uncle Dennis system. Scary.

Because of the implication?

[BackHome]

I was laughing when I think The Toronto’s mayor was like “Please give KY space and we respect his muteness as we await his decision”. Lol

[HarlemHeat37]

The Raptors got a title, can't hate on Kawhi for anything else afterwards..

I'm interested in seeing how the media and fans portray him going forward, though..he's done far worse than anything LeBron or Durant have ever done..

[ironman2886]

Because of the implication?
https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/dennis-reynolds-gif-7.gif

[Chomag]

Kawhi now has 3 arenas that he will get booed at, what a dirt bag lol

[BillMc]

Kawhi now has 3 arenas that he will get booed at, what a dirt bag lol

Nah, Toronto will still be pathetically grateful for their time with Kawhi.

[RD2191]

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/dennis-reynolds-gif-7.gif

So they are in danger?! :lmao

[bic50]

Kawhi now has 3 arenas that he will get booed at, what a dirt bag lol
Yeah and they’ll all look pathetic

[bic50]

Nah, Toronto will still be pathetically grateful for their time with Kawhi.
Try should be grateful.

[koriwhat]

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/dennis-reynolds-gif-7.gif

too many variables involved... D.E.N.N.I.S.

[cd98]

The Raptors got a title, can't hate on Kawhi for anything else afterwards..

I'm interested in seeing how the media and fans portray him going forward, though..he's done far worse than anything LeBron or Durant have ever done..

Naw it’s a black eye on your franchise when a guy is the MVP and wins a title and immediately leaves in the offseason. It’s like so one wants to play there. I’m sure they feel rejected. I’m sure their fans are hurting. Kawhi was a great Spur, but he spurned us and became hated.

[toki9]

Steve Ballmer, ladies and gents:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM61HIqLBeI

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Nah, Toronto will still be pathetically grateful for their time with Kawhi.

And why shouldn’t they be? Thanks t him they’ve had more success than had the franchises in the league

He played his ass off for them and left as a free agent. He should get a standing ovation everytime he visits.

[loveforthegame]

Wow.

https://mobile.twitter.com/espn/status/1147552332407824386

[Bill Walton Saga]

Jerry West didn't do shit in Memphis...lol No one wants to play there. LA, however...

[Genovaswitness]

honestly feels great seeing all those dweeb rapturds fans with eggs on their face. they did EVERYTHING they could to keep him, even winning a title, and he said LOL NOPE :lmao

[Bill Walton Saga]

The Raptors got a title, can't hate on Kawhi for anything else afterwards..

I'm interested in seeing how the media and fans portray him going forward, though..he's done far worse than anything LeBron or Durant have ever done..

Really? Durant was a real pussy going to 73 win Golden Shower. No one has topped that.

[daslicer]

The Raptors got a title, can't hate on Kawhi for anything else afterwards..

I'm interested in seeing how the media and fans portray him going forward, though..he's done far worse than anything LeBron or Durant have ever done..

Surprisingly I do agree with you for once when it comes to the racial aspect of this matter when it comes to the media dealing with #2. I think he lucks out in the sense like you said in a previous posts about him not being an outspoken black man which makes him very popular among white fans and the media which is something Durant/Lebron had going against them. He's going to be a teflon guy for the rest of his career simply because he doesn't talk and the media is now looking for that type of athlete.

He's popular among black fans and they don't view him as uncle Tom like they did with Tim Duncan. I think him being dark skinned and also sticking it to Pop and the Spurs makes him very popular with the black fan base.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/MrMichaelLee/status/1147576019576135680

[timvp]

What's amazing is it sounds like Kawhi still wouldn't have stayed in Toronto even if they intercepted Paul George from going to the Clippers. That right there is the nail in the coffin of any argument that Kawhi wasn't heading to Los Angeles come hell, earthquakes or high water.

He was going to the Clippers if they could land a second star. The Lakers were a distant safety net in case the Clippers didn't work out. No other team ever had a chance.

[UZER]

Surprisingly I do agree with you for once when it comes to the racial aspect of this matter when it comes to the media dealing with #2. I think he lucks out in the sense like you said in a previous posts about him not being an outspoken black man which makes him very popular among white fans and the media which is something Durant/Lebron had going against them. He's going to be a teflon guy for the rest of his career simply because he doesn't talk and the media is now looking for that type of athlete.

He's popular among black fans and they don't view him as uncle Tom like they did with Tim Duncan. I think him being dark skinned and also sticking it to Pop and the Spurs makes him very popular with the black fan base.

And this is why you don’t pander. Pop tries to be one of the most “woke” coaches in the NBA. He lashes out at Trump all the time, cries about racism for blacks, etc., and yet the blacks still love Kawhi because they think he was sticking it to the man by ditching Pop. :lol

Pop needs to get his head out his ass and get back to coaching his ass off on the court! Stop with all the sideshow bullshit that no one cares about, not even the people he pretends to be supporting.

[ZeusWillJudge]

And his Nine Days In December were about a Nike shoe launch, and not about trying to come back and play for the Spurs.

[Marcus Bryant]

What's amazing is it sounds like Kawhi still wouldn't have stayed in Toronto even if they intercepted Paul George from going to the Clippers. That right there is the nail in the coffin of any argument that Kawhi wasn't heading to Los Angeles come hell, earthquakes or high water.

He was going to the Clippers if they could land a second star. The Lakers were a distant safety net in case the Clippers didn't work out. No other team ever had a chance.

Didn’t even give Toronto a chance to work out a S&T apparently.

[daslicer]

And this is why you don’t pander. Pop tries to be one of the most “woke” coaches in the NBA. He lashes out at Trump all the time, cries about racism for blacks, etc., and yet the blacks still love Kawhi because they think he was sticking it to the man by ditching Pop. :lol

Pop needs to get his head out his ass and get back to coaching his ass off on the court! Stop with all the sideshow bullshit that no one cares about, not even the people he pretends to be supporting.

I agree with you 100 percent.

[Pavlov]

:lol gotta love the people who think personal politics affect anything.

[ShutUp SayItAgain!]

Naw it’s a black eye on your franchise when a guy is the MVP and wins a title and immediately leaves in the offseason. It’s like so one wants to play there. I’m sure they feel rejected. I’m sure their fans are hurting. Kawhi was a great Spur, but he spurned us and became hated.

Yup lots of Toronto fans pissed off saying Skip was right the whole time. Talking shit to Kawhi's sister on IG lol

Also on Twitter they're upset. You get a couple that are ok but I've seen for the most part they are pissed.

Good. He's a snake. Hope he gets booed.

[Spurs fever]

I see a lot of Raptor fans pissed. They wanted him to at least defend the championship. Lol

[Pavlov]

I see a lot of Raptor fans pissed. They wanted him to at least defend the championship. LolI would just mail him his championship ring. Wouldn't even insure it.

[K...]

And this is why you don’t pander. Pop tries to be one of the most “woke” coaches in the NBA. He lashes out at Trump all the time, cries about racism for blacks, etc., and yet the blacks still love Kawhi because they think he was sticking it to the man by ditching Pop. :lol

Pop needs to get his head out his ass and get back to coaching his ass off on the court! Stop with all the sideshow bullshit that no one cares about, not even the people he pretends to be supporting.

The pandering was for LeBron!

[itzsoweezee]

That's what it costs these days for fucking Tobias Harris. Figure it out.

The fuck does that have to do with last season? As far as this season, is rather not have DeMar on the team at all and a ton of minutes for the young guys than the shit we're about to see next season

[Dejounte]

The fuck does that have to do with last season? As far as this season, is rather not have DeMar on the team at all and a ton of minutes for the young guys than the shit we're about to see next season

Our young players arent ready for prime time. They gain valuable experience when we make the playoffs.

[monty4329]

Elite is around the top 20% in ANY CONTEXT? Really?

So a school like the University of Southern Mississippi is considered an elite university because it’s ranked in the top 20% of schools in the US?

I should have specified ''in any context of professional sport'', I thought it was obvious.

(BTW top 20% of Div.1 Universities are elite. They go to the Tournament)

[Pavlov]

I should have specified ''in any context of professional sport'', I thought it was obvious.

(BTW top 20% of Div.1 Universities are elite. They go to the Tournament)But they call it the Elite Eight.

What does that even mean if everyone who lost was still elite?

[monty4329]

But they call it the Elite Eight.

What does that even mean if everyone who lost was still elite?

???

So in your dictionary elite is the one who wins. There is one elite. OK. Whatever you say.

[Pavlov]

???

So in your dictionary elite is the one who wins. There is one elite. OK. Whatever you say.Actually I explicitly said there were eight in this particular case.

So in your dictionary eight is one. OK. Whatever you say.

Words are hard.

[timvp]

It's pretty comical those making Presti out to be a genius. Big picture he had three future MVPs at age ~22 with Finals experience and he somehow managed to ruin that. Now all he has left to show for that trio is the worst one of the bunch on a terrible contract with draft picks owed to him by elite teams.

Genius :lmao

[Gandalf]

So... any chance we could trade the Raptors their beloved DeRozan back for some package including draft picks?

[spurraider21]

It's pretty comical those making Presti out to be a genius. Big picture he had three future MVPs at age ~22 with Finals experience and he somehow managed to ruin that. Now all he has left to show for that trio is the worst one of the bunch on a terrible contract with draft picks owed to him by elite teams.

Genius :lmao
not to mention their dispute with harden was over something in the range of 4 mil per year, while at the same time they gave perkins 5/40 :lmao

and they turned that into kevin martin and jeremy lamb

[monty4329]

Actually I explicitly said there were eight in this particular case.

So in your dictionary eight is one. OK. Whatever you say.

Words are hard.

''But they call it the Elite Eight.

What does that even mean if everyone who lost was still elite?''

Seems pretty clear: when you wonder ''if everyone who lost was still elite''....you wonder how can be elite also who loses the semifinals and the final. It is called logic, taught even in bottom colleges, actually. No need for elite education for that.

Besides, Elite Eight is just a moniker, as is Sweet Sixteen (but you can examine the real meaning of sweet sixteen, if you please)

[Pavlov]

''But they call it the Elite Eight.

What does that even mean if everyone who lost was still elite?''

Seems pretty clear: when you wonder ''if everyone who lost was still elite''....you wonder how can be elite also who loses the semifinals and the final. It is called logic, taught even in bottom colleges, actually. No need for elite education for that.

Besides, Elite Eight is just a moniker, as is Sweet Sixteen (but you can examine the real meaning of sweet sixteen, if you please)I was actually just kidding with my example since there are no numbers in any definition of the word, but you actually said 1=8.

Where did you learn that?

[spurraider21]

Because of the implication?
:lol

[monty4329]

It's pretty comical those making Presti out to be a genius. Big picture he had three future MVPs at age ~22 with Finals experience and he somehow managed to ruin that. Now all he has left to show for that trio is the worst one of the bunch on a terrible contract with draft picks owed to him by elite teams.

Genius :lmao

I never bought myself the Presti hype. He drafts well, and the George signing was unexpected so kudos to him for that. All that said, they have nothing to show for drafting the 3 stars plus Adams.

But nobody wants to live in OKC.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Raptors got a ring but ultimatley Kawhi and Green ended up being rentals. I suppose it was worth it for the Raptors.

[GreekSpursfan]

Been saying it since day one, never bet against Jerry West. Uncle ultimately did his thing and Kawhitter remains just that. Spurs were right all along and i never had any doubt about it.

[TD 21]

:lmao At people rushing to give West credit. Sure, he had a hand in the greater plan to re-load dating back to the Griffin trade, but ultimately all the Clippers savvy work doesn't matter if they're not located where they are (throw the Nets in too) and a certain Scumbag isn't desperate to play in said location, in a situation where he can receive the majority of the credit.

:wow On various fronts. Not just the timing, plus the George angle, but also because it would have been typical Spurs luck for him to re-sign. Now, they're at least vindicated . . . even though it won't be portrayed that way in the media. Nonetheless, it just wasn't right for a team to stumble into the kind of luck the Raptors did and continue benefitting from it.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the only thing the spurs did was stop kawhi and pg13 playing together a few years ago if the trade didnt go down, then the spurs be less 1 ring, let alone contenders

[exstatic]

Yeah, I remember, but if you told me we'd get DeRozan, I would have preferred to trade with the Clippers and get their 2 draft picks. Who knows, if the Spurs negotiated harder with them, they may have gotten more than 2 first round draft picks. Maybe they did, I don't know.

This can never be proven or disproven, but as stated many times, they didn’t want to trade him to the West. In addition, after he essentially stole $19M from the Spurs, I think they wanted to fuck him over by denying him Bird rights, and costing him $40M.

[Twisted_Dawg]

I wonder if now that he has his contract if he will miss as many games due to load management?

[John B]

I wonder if now that he has his contract if he will miss as many games due to load management?
He’ll be gunning for MVP to cement his legacy, so he needs to put in enough games imo

[picnroll]

I wonder if now that he has his contract if he will miss as many games due to load management?
... or will he limp around the court for show.

[bic50]

Yup lots of Toronto fans pissed off saying Skip was right the whole time. Talking shit to Kawhi's sister on IG lol

Also on Twitter they're upset. You get a couple that are ok but I've seen for the most part they are pissed.

Good. He's a snake. Hope he gets booed.
Pathetic. Dumbasses knew going in he was likely one year rental and wanted to go back home to la. They got their championship. Everyone else just bitching for the sake of bitching.

[offset formation]

Stop already... At this point ur trying to fool urselves... The guy was clearly hurt... This happened in the second round... He could have EASILY sat out... It's not like he got hurt in the finals

Lol. He limped on two different legs. And only when it looked like he might need an excuse to quit.

[rasuo214]

It's pretty comical those making Presti out to be a genius. Big picture he had three future MVPs at age ~22 with Finals experience and he somehow managed to ruin that. Now all he has left to show for that trio is the worst one of the bunch on a terrible contract with draft picks owed to him by elite teams.

Genius :lmao

Not his fault OKC's ownership didn't want/couldn't afford to dip into the luxury tax. PJ Carlesimo, Scott Brooks and Billy Donovan haven't been impressive coaching hires though.

[hombre]

How the hell is Leonard recruiting Paul, who is under contract, not tampering?

[tenbeersbold]

Not his fault OKC's ownership didn't want/couldn't afford to dip into the luxury tax. PJ Carlesimo, Scott Brooks and Billy Donovan haven't been impressive coaching hires though.
The curse of Patfo and Seattle continue to haunt 'ol Clay Bennett and rightfully so

[Genovaswitness]

How the hell is Leonard recruiting Paul, who is under contract, not tampering?

it's not against the rules for players to talk to each other. lebron does it all the time

[cjw]

not to mention their dispute with harden was over something in the range of 4 mil per year, while at the same time they gave perkins 5/40 :lmao

and they turned that into kevin martin and jeremy lamb

You can look at Presti in three phases:

1.) The great: Drafting KD, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka

2.) The terrible: Overpaying Perkins, screwing up Harden negotiation and getting zilch in trade from Houston (Adams turned out to be good value where they drafted him), never surrounding a terrible shooter in Westbrook with shooters besides Durant, not getting value for Durant when it became clear he was on his way out, Kanter contract (that’s all he got for Reggie Jackson), taking on Melo for Kanter, etc.

3.) The impressive: learning from mistakes and turning 50 year old Ibaka into Oladipo/Sabonis, which turned into PG13, which turned into the package they got from LAC.

[Harry Callahan]

It's pretty comical those making Presti out to be a genius. Big picture he had three future MVPs at age ~22 with Finals experience and he somehow managed to ruin that. Now all he has left to show for that trio is the worst one of the bunch on a terrible contract with draft picks owed to him by elite teams.

Genius :lmao

Bingo. Sam Presti is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. It's like the Rockets GM Morey. For some reason these two guys get a free pass for falling short time after time after time.

[Genovaswitness]

Bingo. Sam Presti is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. It's like the Rockets GM Morey. For some reason these two guys get a free pass for falling short time after time after time.

fat fuck stat nerds who could never do anything athletic love morey because he is their ascended form--the guy who was able to force his way into the basketball world despite being an obese sack of shit

[Harry Callahan]

fat fuck stat nerds who could never do anything athletic love morey because he is their ascended form--the guy who was able to force his way into the basketball world despite being an obese sack of shit

Morey's been the GM for Houston what 12 or 13 years. Who gets that kind of time with no conference championships?

[Marcus Bryant]

Bingo. Sam Presti is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. It's like the Rockets GM Morey. For some reason these two guys get a free pass for falling short time after time after time.

GMs who always make deals get attention. Morey also attracted attention because of his analytics bent and East Coast origin.

[Marcus Bryant]

.

[Dex]

GMs who always make deals get attention. Morey also attracted attention because of his analytics bent and East Coast origin.

Those analytics have been tried before. It was the same song and dance for the SSOL Suns.

Morey has just turned it up to 11, but the result is the same...great regular season teams, but the tactic doesn't pan out in the playoffs when teams have time to scout and adjust, the fouls are called tighter, and every three-pointer has that much more pressure on it.

The Rockets were one win away from the Finals...and then their cannon broke and they went 0/27 from three. Call it a fluke, but until the system proves it can win in the biggest moments, it remains to be unproven.

[NameLess Scrub]

I also had that thought just as I was posting. Maybe Russ will want out, but maybe OKC will want to get off the Westchuck Treadmill. We shall see.

From a team that had such big names and so much talent, what - 5 years ago - OKC is on the verge of going into Charlotte mode.

Yes.

[duncan2k5]

Yeah, we do.

He's a Clipper.

Because of something the Spurs did... According to ppl kno know the situation

[Pavlov]

Because of something the Spurs did... According to ppl kno know the situation
And what did the Raptors do to drive him away with no compensation?

[Marcus Bryant]

And what did the Raptors do to drive him away with no compensation?

Not play home games in Southern California.

[Dejounte]

Because of something the Spurs did... According to ppl kno know the situation

And the Raptors did nothing wrong to Kawhi and he still left. And you still REFUSE to acknowledge this fact. This FACT plays along with why Kawhi left the Spurs and youre in denial of this

[Extra Stout]

Well, it’s all over. Here’s what I think:

There was very little the Spurs could have done to hold onto Kawhi Leonard. He wanted to play close to home, and once he emerged into a franchise player, he expected to be treated like a modern franchise player.

The Spurs’ organization got spoiled by the Big 3, especially Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan frankly managed the Spurs as much as they managed him. He does not behave in any way at all like a modern NBA superstar, does not have the worldview of an American NBA superstar, though ironically his power and influence over the organization eclipsed that which these guys craved, because of the way he handled his business. We all should be able to see how much of a hit the “Spurs Way” took when he retired.

Kawhi wasn’t all that keen on staying in San Antonio under any circumstances. But he did respect Pop as a coach. And for a while he cared about his teammates, though he’s pretty cutthroat deep down, and once he’s done, he’s done. At some point, someone in the organization made him feel like he wasn’t valued, like he was less than the Big 3, like he wasn’t ready to lead because he was quiet, not a genius in dealing with teammates like Duncan was. Then given his mindset, the notion that the Spurs might even question giving him the supermax was unforgivable disrespect. The actual money doesn’t even matter (given that he forfeited $80 million ultimately). And the idea that somebody would come across as implying that he didn’t care enough about winning if he didn’t take less... at that point he was done with the San Antonio Spurs. Don’t they know that it was their players and Pop who made them what they were? Outside of them, the Spurs were just another franchise?

And that’s not even taking into account what he thought about the way they handled player signings. Not that he ever uttered a word about how he felt about any of this.

So once the quad became an issue, he was in no mind to risk his body to rush back to them. Yeah, the Spurs gave his team total control over his treatment and recovery, because they better — he’s a superstar. But then he hears rumblings that some in the organization think he’s faking it? Well F them. He’ll play on his terms, when he’s damn ready. Stealing $19 million? F that, he thought he was a damn bargain for the contract he signed.

It’s not as though the Spurs acted in bad faith. They did the Spurs thing they always had done. And they thought Kawhi had bought into the Spurs Way; it’s not as though he had ever spoken up to say anything different. How were they to know that what they really had on their hands was a guy just as entitled, demanding, sensitive, touchy, and unforgiving as the typical NBA superstar these days? Maybe they should have known — it’s no secret what millennials are like, and it’s no secret how powerful the elite players are and what they extract from their teams.

In any event, it’s over. Leonard is gone. Also, Peter Holt is gone, Tim Duncan is gone, Manu Ginobili is gone, and Gregg Popovich only has a couple of years left. Culture is set by leaders, and there is no guarantee that those who come after will be able to maintain what came before. There is nothing magic about that logo or this city, or the banners of past glory, that will keep the Spurs “Spursy.” Those who come after will have to accomplish whatever they do on their own merits.

[dbreiden83080]

How the hell is Leonard recruiting Paul, who is under contract, not tampering?

Yeah it is bad these days. At least he did not make Lakers some unbeatable Superteam. But players hooking up is here to stay. Sucks for teams like the Bucks, because Giannis will likely have to leave and do this as well..

[John B]

I still think Kawhi is an ungrateful lying diva, manipulated by tacky greedy usurpers. The Holts should sue him for breach of contract bottomline.

[tonight...you]

Well, it’s all over. Here’s what I think:

There was very little the Spurs could have done to hold onto Kawhi Leonard. He wanted to play close to home, and once he emerged into a franchise player, he expected to be treated like a modern franchise player.

The Spurs’ organization got spoiled by the Big 3, especially Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan frankly managed the Spurs as much as they managed him. He does not behave in any way at all like a modern NBA superstar, does not have the worldview of an American NBA superstar, though ironically his power and influence over the organization eclipsed that which these guys craved, because of the way he handled his business. We all should be able to see how much of a hit the “Spurs Way” took when he retired.

Kawhi wasn’t all that keen on staying in San Antonio under any circumstances. But he did respect Pop as a coach. And for a while he cared about his teammates, though he’s pretty cutthroat deep down, and once he’s done, he’s done. At some point, someone in the organization made him feel like he wasn’t valued, like he was less than the Big 3, like he wasn’t ready to lead because he was quiet, not a genius in dealing with teammates like Duncan was. Then given his mindset, the notion that the Spurs might even question giving him the supermax was unforgivable disrespect. The actual money doesn’t even matter (given that he forfeited $80 million ultimately). And the idea that somebody would come across as implying that he didn’t care enough about winning if he didn’t take less... at that point he was done with the San Antonio Spurs. Don’t they know that it was their players and Pop who made them what they were? Outside of them, the Spurs were just another franchise?

And that’s not even taking into account what he thought about the way they handled player signings. Not that he ever uttered a word about how he felt about any of this.

So once the quad became an issue, he was in no mind to risk his body to rush back to them. Yeah, the Spurs gave his team total control over his treatment and recovery, because they better — he’s a superstar. But then he hears rumblings that some in the organization think he’s faking it? Well F them. He’ll play on his terms, when he’s damn ready. Stealing $19 million? F that, he thought he was a damn bargain for the contract he signed.

It’s not as though the Spurs acted in bad faith. They did the Spurs thing they always had done. And they thought Kawhi had bought into the Spurs Way; it’s not as though he had ever spoken up to say anything different. How were they to know that what they really had on their hands was a guy just as entitled, demanding, sensitive, touchy, and unforgiving as the typical NBA superstar these days? Maybe they should have known — it’s no secret what millennials are like, and it’s no secret how powerful the elite players are and what they extract from their teams.

In any event, it’s over. Leonard is gone. Also, Peter Holt is gone, Tim Duncan is gone, Manu Ginobili is gone, and Gregg Popovich only has a couple of years left. Culture is set by leaders, and there is no guarantee that those who come after will be able to maintain what came before. There is nothing magic about that logo or this city, or the banners of past glory, that will keep the Spurs “Spursy.” Those who come after will have to accomplish whatever they do on their own merits.
Well written. Thank you. That was a very enjoyable read, despite the harsh truths.

[John B]

Just how many boos Kawhi get? One big up yours in Toronto (or maybe not because he got them a one time trophy?), 2 in San Antonio, 2 in Lakers, 2 in OKC, 2 in Golden State.

[JeffDuncan]

Well, it’s all over. Here’s what I think:

There was very little the Spurs could have done to hold onto Kawhi Leonard. He wanted to play close to home, and once he emerged into a franchise player, he expected to be treated like a modern franchise player.

The Spurs’ organization got spoiled by the Big 3, especially Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan frankly managed the Spurs as much as they managed him. He does not behave in any way at all like a modern NBA superstar, does not have the worldview of an American NBA superstar, though ironically his power and influence over the organization eclipsed that which these guys craved, because of the way he handled his business. We all should be able to see how much of a hit the “Spurs Way” took when he retired.

Kawhi wasn’t all that keen on staying in San Antonio under any circumstances. But he did respect Pop as a coach. And for a while he cared about his teammates, though he’s pretty cutthroat deep down, and once he’s done, he’s done. At some point, someone in the organization made him feel like he wasn’t valued, like he was less than the Big 3, like he wasn’t ready to lead because he was quiet, not a genius in dealing with teammates like Duncan was. Then given his mindset, the notion that the Spurs might even question giving him the supermax was unforgivable disrespect. The actual money doesn’t even matter (given that he forfeited $80 million ultimately). And the idea that somebody would come across as implying that he didn’t care enough about winning if he didn’t take less... at that point he was done with the San Antonio Spurs. Don’t they know that it was their players and Pop who made them what they were? Outside of them, the Spurs were just another franchise?

And that’s not even taking into account what he thought about the way they handled player signings. Not that he ever uttered a word about how he felt about any of this.

So once the quad became an issue, he was in no mind to risk his body to rush back to them. Yeah, the Spurs gave his team total control over his treatment and recovery, because they better — he’s a superstar. But then he hears rumblings that some in the organization think he’s faking it? Well F them. He’ll play on his terms, when he’s damn ready. Stealing $19 million? F that, he thought he was a damn bargain for the contract he signed.

It’s not as though the Spurs acted in bad faith. They did the Spurs thing they always had done. And they thought Kawhi had bought into the Spurs Way; it’s not as though he had ever spoken up to say anything different. How were they to know that what they really had on their hands was a guy just as entitled, demanding, sensitive, touchy, and unforgiving as the typical NBA superstar these days? Maybe they should have known — it’s no secret what millennials are like, and it’s no secret how powerful the elite players are and what they extract from their teams.

In any event, it’s over. Leonard is gone. Also, Peter Holt is gone, Tim Duncan is gone, Manu Ginobili is gone, and Gregg Popovich only has a couple of years left. Culture is set by leaders, and there is no guarantee that those who come after will be able to maintain what came before. There is nothing magic about that logo or this city, or the banners of past glory, that will keep the Spurs “Spursy.” Those who come after will have to accomplish whatever they do on their own merits.

That is a very fair summary.

[r0drig0lac]

Well, it’s all over. Here’s what I think:

There was very little the Spurs could have done to hold onto Kawhi Leonard. He wanted to play close to home, and once he emerged into a franchise player, he expected to be treated like a modern franchise player.

The Spurs’ organization got spoiled by the Big 3, especially Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan frankly managed the Spurs as much as they managed him. He does not behave in any way at all like a modern NBA superstar, does not have the worldview of an American NBA superstar, though ironically his power and influence over the organization eclipsed that which these guys craved, because of the way he handled his business. We all should be able to see how much of a hit the “Spurs Way” took when he retired.

Kawhi wasn’t all that keen on staying in San Antonio under any circumstances. But he did respect Pop as a coach. And for a while he cared about his teammates, though he’s pretty cutthroat deep down, and once he’s done, he’s done. At some point, someone in the organization made him feel like he wasn’t valued, like he was less than the Big 3, like he wasn’t ready to lead because he was quiet, not a genius in dealing with teammates like Duncan was. Then given his mindset, the notion that the Spurs might even question giving him the supermax was unforgivable disrespect. The actual money doesn’t even matter (given that he forfeited $80 million ultimately). And the idea that somebody would come across as implying that he didn’t care enough about winning if he didn’t take less... at that point he was done with the San Antonio Spurs. Don’t they know that it was their players and Pop who made them what they were? Outside of them, the Spurs were just another franchise?

And that’s not even taking into account what he thought about the way they handled player signings. Not that he ever uttered a word about how he felt about any of this.

So once the quad became an issue, he was in no mind to risk his body to rush back to them. Yeah, the Spurs gave his team total control over his treatment and recovery, because they better — he’s a superstar. But then he hears rumblings that some in the organization think he’s faking it? Well F them. He’ll play on his terms, when he’s damn ready. Stealing $19 million? F that, he thought he was a damn bargain for the contract he signed.

It’s not as though the Spurs acted in bad faith. They did the Spurs thing they always had done. And they thought Kawhi had bought into the Spurs Way; it’s not as though he had ever spoken up to say anything different. How were they to know that what they really had on their hands was a guy just as entitled, demanding, sensitive, touchy, and unforgiving as the typical NBA superstar these days? Maybe they should have known — it’s no secret what millennials are like, and it’s no secret how powerful the elite players are and what they extract from their teams.

In any event, it’s over. Leonard is gone. Also, Peter Holt is gone, Tim Duncan is gone, Manu Ginobili is gone, and Gregg Popovich only has a couple of years left. Culture is set by leaders, and there is no guarantee that those who come after will be able to maintain what came before. There is nothing magic about that logo or this city, or the banners of past glory, that will keep the Spurs “Spursy.” Those who come after will have to accomplish whatever they do on their own merits.
perfect
ps: Duncan was the "Spurs way", not Pop, not Mills, not coffee bullshit

[JeffDuncan]

I still think Kawhi is an ungrateful lying diva, manipulated by tacky greedy usurpers. The Holts should sue him for breach of contract bottomline.

Yeah, right, spend $10 million on lawyers now, in a lawsuit that'll drag on for years. Just what we need, more lunacy.

[acoelho1]

At least we finally know there was absolutely nothing the Spurs could do to keep Kawhi in SA. He was dead set on going to L.A. no matter what and I'm actually glad he's in the west now so we can go head-to-head in the playoffs. I'm very bullish on our current team and we are going to surprise some people. I'll would love to knock off the clippers in the West finals.

[timvp]

Not his fault OKC's ownership didn't want/couldn't afford to dip into the luxury tax. PJ Carlesimo, Scott Brooks and Billy Donovan haven't been impressive coaching hires though.

Presti essentially picked Kendrick Perkins over James Harden :lol

[jjktkk]

Not play home games in Southern California.

:lol

[benefactor]

Because of something the Spurs did... According to ppl kno know the situation
Who...one of your island moon cricket buddies who told you he hangs with Tim Duncan at the local pool when he comes home to visit?

[duncan2k5]

So Nephew left Toronto by freakin TEXT message to teammates that helped him a lot last year. Class act. A thief in the night that #2.

How should he have done it? Gone to their homes individually?

[duncan2k5]

I love the revisionist history... Ppl were praising Pop and laughing at Kawhi when he was sent to Toronto... Now that he proved to be a beast and won them a ring, they want to switch up the narrative that he somehow did them wrong... Lolol

[duncan2k5]

Not well.

LMFAO...

[BackHome]

Ducky now he is hated by Spurs fans, Flaker Fans, Oklahoma Fans, and Raptor Fans... Your boy is all class ...

[duncan2k5]

Just glad the helmet crew is eating shit right now.

:cry Patfo! Patfo! Patfo! :cry
:cry Porker and Manure's comments :cry
:cry They didn't gib him talent :cry

And all that other bullshit. He left a fuckin' title team in an Eastern Conference where the only competition for the next half decade would be the Bucks and maybe Sixers (they set themselves back with the Tobias Harris contract), He had a roster filled with young talent and solid vets, and would be playing in a city that would worship him and for a wet blanket coach who bows to his whims. Didn't matter. LA was the goal. Always was the goal. Common enemies, strange bedfellows and all that, so :lol at how he and Dennis manipulated the Lakers, but the way they strung the Lakers along so they'd miss out on FAs gives insight into how sneaky that camp is.

:lol at anyone who though PATFO was the villain in this situation.

As I keep saying, can't treat a woman like shit, then when she leaves u for the guy from her hometown, say that she was planning to leave u the entire time...

[Spurtacular]

4 un protected 1sts and players?! Great fckn job sam presti

For an over-rated stat stuffer.

[Spurtacular]

Presti essentially picked Kendrick Perkins over James Harden :lol

Don't remember that. But I remember 4 yrs / $56 mil was apparently going to break OKC's back.

Cheap ass owner could've had a dynasty with three of the top five offensive players in the game. What a shcmuck.

[duncan2k5]

And this is why you don’t pander. Pop tries to be one of the most “woke” coaches in the NBA. He lashes out at Trump all the time, cries about racism for blacks, etc., and yet the blacks still love Kawhi because they think he was sticking it to the man by ditching Pop. :lol

Pop needs to get his head out his ass and get back to coaching his ass off on the court! Stop with all the sideshow bullshit that no one cares about, not even the people he pretends to be supporting.

Bro wtf are u talking about? Smh

[duncan2k5]

And the Raptors did nothing wrong to Kawhi and he still left. And you still REFUSE to acknowledge this fact. This FACT plays along with why Kawhi left the Spurs and youre in denial of this

I ok let me break it down for u guys... Kawhi pretty much has a wife... U know what MY wife would say if I busted my ass carrying a bunch of old guys in a team that misdiagnosed me, then tried to pressure me into playing by throwing shade at me in the media? She would say "f*ck them! Let's just go home"...

Kawhi clearly was willing to stay in Toronto if they got PG... He NEVER was gonna go play with lebron... Clippers won the PG deal.... Kawhi's wife I'm sure has a lot to do with where he wants to stay... Any married man would tell you the same... So while I think he would have gone back to Toronto, I think he was leaning towards the clippers...

But none of this would have happened if the spurs didn't fuck it up in the first place... Spurs reportedly had very shady dealings by saying one thing to Kawhi's face, then running to the media after and bashing him

[duncan2k5]

Well, it’s all over. Here’s what I think:

There was very little the Spurs could have done to hold onto Kawhi Leonard. He wanted to play close to home, and once he emerged into a franchise player, he expected to be treated like a modern franchise player.

The Spurs’ organization got spoiled by the Big 3, especially Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan frankly managed the Spurs as much as they managed him. He does not behave in any way at all like a modern NBA superstar, does not have the worldview of an American NBA superstar, though ironically his power and influence over the organization eclipsed that which these guys craved, because of the way he handled his business. We all should be able to see how much of a hit the “Spurs Way” took when he retired.

Kawhi wasn’t all that keen on staying in San Antonio under any circumstances. But he did respect Pop as a coach. And for a while he cared about his teammates, though he’s pretty cutthroat deep down, and once he’s done, he’s done. At some point, someone in the organization made him feel like he wasn’t valued, like he was less than the Big 3, like he wasn’t ready to lead because he was quiet, not a genius in dealing with teammates like Duncan was. Then given his mindset, the notion that the Spurs might even question giving him the supermax was unforgivable disrespect. The actual money doesn’t even matter (given that he forfeited $80 million ultimately). And the idea that somebody would come across as implying that he didn’t care enough about winning if he didn’t take less... at that point he was done with the San Antonio Spurs. Don’t they know that it was their players and Pop who made them what they were? Outside of them, the Spurs were just another franchise?

And that’s not even taking into account what he thought about the way they handled player signings. Not that he ever uttered a word about how he felt about any of this.

So once the quad became an issue, he was in no mind to risk his body to rush back to them. Yeah, the Spurs gave his team total control over his treatment and recovery, because they better — he’s a superstar. But then he hears rumblings that some in the organization think he’s faking it? Well F them. He’ll play on his terms, when he’s damn ready. Stealing $19 million? F that, he thought he was a damn bargain for the contract he signed.

It’s not as though the Spurs acted in bad faith. They did the Spurs thing they always had done. And they thought Kawhi had bought into the Spurs Way; it’s not as though he had ever spoken up to say anything different. How were they to know that what they really had on their hands was a guy just as entitled, demanding, sensitive, touchy, and unforgiving as the typical NBA superstar these days? Maybe they should have known — it’s no secret what millennials are like, and it’s no secret how powerful the elite players are and what they extract from their teams.

In any event, it’s over. Leonard is gone. Also, Peter Holt is gone, Tim Duncan is gone, Manu Ginobili is gone, and Gregg Popovich only has a couple of years left. Culture is set by leaders, and there is no guarantee that those who come after will be able to maintain what came before. There is nothing magic about that logo or this city, or the banners of past glory, that will keep the Spurs “Spursy.” Those who come after will have to accomplish whatever they do on their own merits.

Well stated

[duncan2k5]

Just how many boos Kawhi get? One big up yours in Toronto (or maybe not because he got them a one time trophy?), 2 in San Antonio, 2 in Lakers, 2 in OKC, 2 in Golden State.

Why does it matter? U really think Kawhi cares about being boo'd? Lmfao

[duncan2k5]

Who...one of your island moon cricket buddies who told you he hangs with Tim Duncan at the local pool when he comes home to visit?

I hang with Tim Duncan

[duncan2k5]

Who...one of your island moon cricket buddies who told you he hangs with Tim Duncan at the local pool when he comes home to visit?

And bring that racist stuff down here see what happens to you... And yall call urselves Tim Duncan fans

[tim_duncan_fan]

Bro wtf are u talking about? Smh

You gotta forgive/excuse Trump supporters. They aren't the brightest or most lucid bunch.

[Dverde]

Tons of dumbass liberals too...just saying

[timvp]

Kawhi clearly was willing to stay in Toronto if they got PG... He NEVER was gonna go play with lebron... Clippers won the PG deal.... Kawhi's wife I'm sure has a lot to do with where he wants to stay... Any married man would tell you the same... So while I think he would have gone back to Toronto, I think he was leaning towards the clippers...

Tbh, it's entertaining to watch Neph Dephenders try to thread the needle to fit the narrative that it's the Spurs fault that Neph left while also fitting the reality that he left the Raptors despite them bending over backwards to fulfill his every want or need.

Pretty impressive :tu

[Dejounte]

Tbh, it's entertaining to watch Neph Dephenders try to thread the needle to fit the narrative that it's the Spurs fault that Neph left while also fitting the reality that he left the Raptors despite them bending over backwards to fulfill his every want or need.

Pretty impressive :tu

Its a never-ending twisting of the narrative from duncan2k5. I feel sorry for him at this point

[daslicer]

Tbh, it's entertaining to watch Neph Dephenders try to thread the needle to fit the narrative that it's the Spurs fault that Neph left while also fitting the reality that he left the Raptors despite them bending over backwards to fulfill his every want or need.

Pretty impressive :tu

Its like politics when supporters will continue to believe the guy they voted for has their back even though his polices dick them over. They will justify it by saying "It's the opposing parties fault why the policies didn't work or blah blah didn't intentionally try to harm us." It really comes down to how a lot of people can't admit when they have gotten played. This is to me the case with all of the #2 defenders.

[benefactor]

I hang with Tim Duncan
:lol...I'm sure you guys are good buds. Brings you and your folks a turkey on Thanksgiving, right?

And bring that racist stuff down here see what happens to you... And yall call urselves Tim Duncan fans
Plan on cruising that way next year. I'll PM you and you can meet me on the dock or wherever. I'll say it right to your face

[BSfromTX]

I ok let me break it down for u guys... Kawhi pretty much has a wife... U know what MY wife would say if I busted my ass carrying a bunch of old guys in a team that misdiagnosed me, then tried to pressure me into playing by throwing shade at me in the media? She would say "f*ck them! Let's just go home"...

Kawhi clearly was willing to stay in Toronto if they got PG... He NEVER was gonna go play with lebron... Clippers won the PG deal.... Kawhi's wife I'm sure has a lot to do with where he wants to stay... Any married man would tell you the same... So while I think he would have gone back to Toronto, I think he was leaning towards the clippers...

But none of this would have happened if the spurs didn't fuck it up in the first place... Spurs reportedly had very shady dealings by saying one thing to Kawhi's face, then running to the media after and bashing him


Dude, seriously, I think you are actually starting to believe yourself. You are crazy to think you will ever convince anyone of that

[Dejounte]

Dude, seriously, I think you are actually starting to believe yourself. You are crazy to think you will ever convince anyone of that

He does. I think he's mentally ill and really needs attention. Wish i knew the guy in real life so i could give him help and find a proper therapist.

[Ice009]

Well, it’s all over. Here’s what I think:

There was very little the Spurs could have done to hold onto Kawhi Leonard. He wanted to play close to home, and once he emerged into a franchise player, he expected to be treated like a modern franchise player.

The Spurs’ organization got spoiled by the Big 3, especially Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan frankly managed the Spurs as much as they managed him. He does not behave in any way at all like a modern NBA superstar, does not have the worldview of an American NBA superstar, though ironically his power and influence over the organization eclipsed that which these guys craved, because of the way he handled his business. We all should be able to see how much of a hit the “Spurs Way” took when he retired.

Kawhi wasn’t all that keen on staying in San Antonio under any circumstances. But he did respect Pop as a coach. And for a while he cared about his teammates, though he’s pretty cutthroat deep down, and once he’s done, he’s done. At some point, someone in the organization made him feel like he wasn’t valued, like he was less than the Big 3, like he wasn’t ready to lead because he was quiet, not a genius in dealing with teammates like Duncan was. Then given his mindset, the notion that the Spurs might even question giving him the supermax was unforgivable disrespect. The actual money doesn’t even matter (given that he forfeited $80 million ultimately). And the idea that somebody would come across as implying that he didn’t care enough about winning if he didn’t take less... at that point he was done with the San Antonio Spurs. Don’t they know that it was their players and Pop who made them what they were? Outside of them, the Spurs were just another franchise?

And that’s not even taking into account what he thought about the way they handled player signings. Not that he ever uttered a word about how he felt about any of this.

So once the quad became an issue, he was in no mind to risk his body to rush back to them. Yeah, the Spurs gave his team total control over his treatment and recovery, because they better — he’s a superstar. But then he hears rumblings that some in the organization think he’s faking it? Well F them. He’ll play on his terms, when he’s damn ready. Stealing $19 million? F that, he thought he was a damn bargain for the contract he signed.

It’s not as though the Spurs acted in bad faith. They did the Spurs thing they always had done. And they thought Kawhi had bought into the Spurs Way; it’s not as though he had ever spoken up to say anything different. How were they to know that what they really had on their hands was a guy just as entitled, demanding, sensitive, touchy, and unforgiving as the typical NBA superstar these days? Maybe they should have known — it’s no secret what millennials are like, and it’s no secret how powerful the elite players are and what they extract from their teams.

In any event, it’s over. Leonard is gone. Also, Peter Holt is gone, Tim Duncan is gone, Manu Ginobili is gone, and Gregg Popovich only has a couple of years left. Culture is set by leaders, and there is no guarantee that those who come after will be able to maintain what came before. There is nothing magic about that logo or this city, or the banners of past glory, that will keep the Spurs “Spursy.” Those who come after will have to accomplish whatever they do on their own merits.

fantastic read. I enjoyed reading that. There is some harsh truths in there IMO. If I'm Leonard, I too, would be thinking that 19M is a darn bargain for me.


I hang with Tim Duncan

You actually hang out with Tim Duncan? Why not ask him what happened with Kawhi if you have access to him?

[Marcus Bryant]

Reminds me of when the Spurs had Mr. Loyalty himself before he left town for something better in his mind.

Nephew held out after he decided he wanted out, which conveniently happened at the same time he couldn’t get a meaningful shoe endorsement deal (a challenge, apparently, it is for a deaf mute to be a spokesman) which was determined to be the fault of San Antonio itself.

All this before his teammates tired of his antics and called him out on the obvious holdout he was engaged in, not to mention his extreme lack of professionalism. This is not some arbitrary standard placed from without, this was by his peers. You don’t see other players not showing up when they are able and paid to do so, even when they are headed elsewhere the following season.

Dude’s a fraud, he’s burned various bridges with people and organizations which supported him and gave him what he wanted. Spending time defending that either means you’re family or retarded.

[duncan2k5]

Tbh, it's entertaining to watch Neph Dephenders try to thread the needle to fit the narrative that it's the Spurs fault that Neph left while also fitting the reality that he left the Raptors despite them bending over backwards to fulfill his every want or need.

Pretty impressive :tu

But he never asked to go there... It's funny watching YALL switch YOUR narrative from laughing at him being sent there... He shoved it right back in ur faces by showing he can win anywhere... Now yall acting like he did something wrong in the situation... I thought yall called it the NBA Siberia? Didn't yall give props for "wasting" a year off Kawhi's career by sending him there? Lmfao... He really stick it to u all, so now u move the goalposts

[duncan2k5]

:lol...I'm sure you guys are good buds. Brings you and your folks a turkey on Thanksgiving, right?

Plan on cruising that way next year. I'll PM you and you can meet me on the dock or wherever. I'll say it right to your face

Patiently waiting

[duncan2k5]

Dude, seriously, I think you are actually starting to believe yourself. You are crazy to think you will ever convince anyone of that

It's funny how I've never heard anyone rebut my arguments... I destroy all ur arguments with logic, facts, and perspective... And all u can do is make personal attacks... It really makes u all look very uneducated... I really be on here ethering u guys... Lol... That's when u know u win an argument... When all they can do is say "oh yeah? Well... Ummm... You're stupid!...... Yeah... There!"

[duncan2k5]

Reminds me of when the Spurs had Mr. Loyalty himself before he left town for something better in his mind.

Nephew held out after he decided he wanted out, which conveniently happened at the same time he couldn’t get a meaningful shoe endorsement deal (a challenge, apparently, it is for a deaf mute to be a spokesman) which was determined to be the fault of San Antonio itself.

All this before his teammates tired of his antics and called him out on the obvious holdout he was engaged in, not to mention his extreme lack of professionalism. This is not some arbitrary standard placed from without, this was by his peers. You don’t see other players not showing up when they are able and paid to do so, even when they are headed elsewhere the following season.

Dude’s a fraud, he’s burned various bridges with people and organizations which supported him and gave him what he wanted. Spending time defending that either means you’re family or retarded.

Ppl always talk about Kawhi's unwillingness to play here, but ignore what led to it... That's like calling ur wife a b*the for leaving u, but not acknowledging u beat the sh*t out of her... Even insiders are telling u guys the Spurs did something wrong, but yall think it's impossible for the almighty spurs to ever do ANYTHING wrong... Traits of trump supporters, tbh... Unwavering loyalty to the power figure, blindness to logic, and irrational distaste for minorities (unless they bend the knee to the authority figure... Then they're one of the good ones)

[loveforthegame]

Is Leonard’s signing and the PG trade the only ones not official yet? I’m probably missing some but seems most have gone through. Wonder if it’s a timing thing? Surely Woj or someone would tweet if there was a snag of sorts.

[Pavlov]

Why does it matter?After ten replies on the last page and four in a row on this one you should ask yourself that question tbh.

[Ice009]

Hey Duncan2K5, if you have access (hang out with him) Tim Duncan, have you ever asked him about the Kawhi situation?

[spurraider21]

Don't remember that. But I remember 4 yrs / $56 mil was apparently going to break OKC's back.

Cheap ass owner could've had a dynasty with three of the top five offensive players in the game. What a shcmuck.

In this case, that would have meant Harden agreeing to accept less than the maximum amount for a four-year extension, which was $60 million. Reportedly the Thunder's final offer was in the range of $55 million for four years.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/8562868/oklahoma-city-thunder-trade-james-harden-houston-rockets


The Thunder offered Harden $55.5 million over four years -- $4.5 million less than the max deal Harden coveted and will get from the Rockets, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/8562868/oklahoma-city-thunder-trade-james-harden-houston-rockets


and of course, in 2011, they signed perkins to a 4 year 36 million dollar deal. so they differed with harden on literally ~1 mil per year all while paying perkins 9 per year :lol. ibaka was also earning 12 mil per year, but he was earning that money back then tbh, as an elite shotblocker

[Warlord23]

You ain't seen nothing yet. In Season 3, it will be revealed that Uncle Dennis was responsible for murdering KL's dad. Before the police move in, Dennis will flee the country, after transferring Kawhi's millions into his offshore bank account. KL quits basketball to chase his uncle down and get his vengeance, aided by trusty sidekick Danny Green

[Rusty]

You ain't seen nothing yet. In Season 3, it will be revealed that Uncle Dennis was responsible for murdering KL's dad. Before the police move in, Dennis will flee the country, after transferring Kawhi's millions into his offshore bank account. KL quits basketball to chase his uncle down and get his vengeance, aided by trusty sidekick Danny Green
:lol

[Texas_Ranger]

Dude’s a fraud, he’s burned various bridges with people and organizations which supported him and gave him what he wanted. Spending time defending that either means you’re family or retarded.

:tu:tu

[Dejounte]

Hey Duncan2K5, if you have access (hang out with him) Tim Duncan, have you ever asked him about the Kawhi situation?

This post explains your previous posts. Its amazing how naive you are to believe that idiot duncan2k5.

[Ice009]

This post explains your previous posts. Its amazing how naive you are to believe that idiot duncan2k5.

I posted that to get a response about it. I believe he's met him, but I don't believe he hangs out with him. I just wanted to know what his response about the question would be. I thought he'd ignore the question and it looks like he did.

[Harry Callahan]

Is the special needs person in the 2K avatar pic with TD the actual poster? Tim has always been sensitive to the less fortunate - that is one of his best traits. On the other hand, #2 would p*ss on him because he reminded him of his own mental health problems.

[Harry Callahan]

Why are Spurs fans being equated to Trump supports, 2K? Your ramblings and blanket generalizations about massive groups of people (either Spurs fans or Trump supporters) make absolutely no sense. Must be trolling, right?

FWIW, top level NBA players now pay only 50-55% of their gross income to the government instead of 65-70%. I bet a few of the NBA players recognize this fact and vote to continue that dynamic next year - of course that would be on the down low.

[DeRozan m8]

Ppl always talk about Kawhi's unwillingness to play here, but ignore what led to it... That's like calling ur wife a b*the for leaving u, but not acknowledging u best the sh*t out of her... Even insiders are telling u guys the Spurs did something wrong, but yall think it's impossible for the almighty spurs to ever do ANYTHING wrong... Traits of trump supporters, tbh... Unwavering loyalty to the power figure, blindness to logic, and irrational distaste for minorities (unless they bend the knee to the authority figure... Then they're one of the good ones)

You dont even know what you are talking about...you fvcking moron

[Marcus Bryant]

You ain't seen nothing yet. In Season 3, it will be revealed that Uncle Dennis was responsible for murdering KL's dad. Before the police move in, Dennis will flee the country, after transferring Kawhi's millions into his offshore bank account. KL quits basketball to chase his uncle down and get his vengeance, aided by trusty sidekick Danny Green

:lol :tu

[Marcus Bryant]

Ppl always talk about Kawhi's unwillingness to play here, but ignore what led to it... That's like calling ur wife a b*the for leaving u, but not acknowledging u best the sh*t out of her... Even insiders are telling u guys the Spurs did something wrong, but yall think it's impossible for the almighty spurs to ever do ANYTHING wrong... Traits of trump supporters, tbh... Unwavering loyalty to the power figure, blindness to logic, and irrational distaste for minorities (unless they bend the knee to the authority figure... Then they're one of the good ones)

Seek help tbh.

[Kermit]

Seek help tbh.

No. This dude is endless entertainment in the off-season.

[r0drig0lac]

Seek help tbh.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe/giphy.gif

[RD2191]

Ppl always talk about Kawhi's unwillingness to play here, but ignore what led to it... That's like calling ur wife a b*the for leaving u, but not acknowledging u best the sh*t out of her... Even insiders are telling u guys the Spurs did something wrong, but yall think it's impossible for the almighty spurs to ever do ANYTHING wrong... Traits of trump supporters, tbh... Unwavering loyalty to the power figure, blindness to logic, and irrational distaste for minorities (unless they bend the knee to the authority figure... Then they're one of the good ones)

2k dropping truth nukes

[benefactor]

Hey Duncan2K5, if you have access (hang out with him) Tim Duncan, have you ever asked him about the Kawhi situation?
He doesn't. His avatar probably came from some public event where TD was taking pictures with everyone. The only other access is perhaps food TD brings during the holidays to whatever poor neighborhood he lives in. Tbh, he's probably one of those Dominican or Haitian transplants...which represent the worst humanity has to offer if you have ever interacted with them on a daily basis. DeadlyDynasty can back me up on that one.

The only poster I know here that has legit access to a player(outside of the owners) is ElNono. He's spent a lot of time visiting with Manu at games over the years.

[Harry Callahan]

He doesn't. His avatar probably came from some public event where TD was taking pictures with everyone. The only other access is perhaps food TD brings during the holidays to whatever poor neighborhood he lives in. Tbh, he's probably one of those Dominican or Haitian transplants...which represent the worst humanity has to offer if you have ever interacted with them on a daily basis. DeadlyDynasty can back me up on that one.

The only poster I know here that has legit access to a player(outside of the owners) is ElNono. He's spent a lot of time visiting with Manu at games over the years.

Manu would be a pretty cool friend to have - I can only imagine that he's a nice guy off the court and has a lot of outside interests besides basketball. He has a curiosity about lots of things in life which is not the norm for many pro athletes.

[Dex]

I met Tim Duncan once at the Silverado theater, so me and him are like...basically, best buds.

I'm sure my Christmas card just gets lost in the mail every year. Stupid post office.

[DeadlyDynasty]

He doesn't. His avatar probably came from some public event where TD was taking pictures with everyone. The only other access is perhaps food TD brings during the holidays to whatever poor neighborhood he lives in. Tbh, he's probably one of those Dominican or Haitian transplants...which represent the worst humanity has to offer if you have ever interacted with them on a daily basis. DeadlyDynasty can back me up on that one.

The only poster I know here that has legit access to a player(outside of the owners) is ElNono. He's spent a lot of time visiting with Manu at games over the years.

Haitians are very capable disease carriers and not much else.

[exstatic]

I’d rather have Harris and a haul of young players and picks tbh, if that was even on the table. A team of insta balla, white, Harris, gay and Aldridge with a young bench and picks for years sounds a lot better right now.

What I understood was it was Harris, and either one or both of the Clip's picks, which were at 12 and 13, late lottery picks. Spurs would have picked LW IV anyway, since he was in their top 10 picks, so a one year rental of Harris, plus Lonnie, who we got anyway, plus one pick? Hardly a haul.

[exstatic]

At least Harris spaces floor. comparing empty stats between DeRozan makes no sense. Harris would do more for what the spurs needs now that DeRozan by a mile.

Spurs would never pay Harris 4/$180M. He'd be gone like Kawhi.