Trade Target: Russell Westbrook

[Ice009]

I was looking at brook fog percentage and it’s absolutely trash . I don’t want him .

I've looked at his FG% and 3P% for years, and yes, it's always been bad. That's why I've never been a huge fan of his. That and the poor decisions and turnovers, but one thing I've never trashed him for is his competitive spirit and that competitive spirit compared to Demar and Lemarcus, well, Westbrook shits all over them in that aspect. I truly believe he does care about losing, I also think he really does stat pad and chase triple doubles, but I think he also thinks he can win by doing that.. I wouldn't want him if he plays his current game he's been playing throughout most of his career, but if he's willing to change and play the way Pop thinks he should, I'd consider giving him a shot.

I don't really want him, but yeah, I just keep looking at the difference in competitive nature compared to Aldridge and Derozan, and because they're so poor in that area, I keep considering it.

[Dhbsr555]

I’d be happy if we can get like two first round picks for derozen and just be able to get rid of that contract.. get Murray locked up.. and white as well we will have belli and mills contracts expire next year so we will have some money to work with.

[Harry Callahan]

You take RW only if OKC adds multiple 1st round picks. RWB is not really markedly better than DeRozen - lots of high volume stats. He makes a ton of Money. You should be compensated for taking the Contract. The guy is simply not worth it.

[Dhbsr555]

You take RW only if OKC adds multiple 1st round picks. RWB is not really markedly better than DeRozen - lots of high volume stats. He makes a ton of Money. You should be compensated for taking the Contract. The guy is simply not worth it.
If we can resign 2 of the three of walker white or Murray while having brook and only giving up derozen mills beli and a pick or two I’d do it

[Chillen]

You take RW only if OKC adds multiple 1st round picks. RWB is not really markedly better than DeRozen - lots of high volume stats. He makes a ton of Money. You should be compensated for taking the Contract. The guy is simply not worth it.

No way OKC sends 1st round picks with Westbrook, not happening. I agree with pretty much everything else Westbrook isn't a huge upgrade over DeMar but Westbrook is a good fit to for Spurs. It doesn't look like there is a way to get Westbrook and also keep DeMar and LMA.

[GusT15]

You take RW only if OKC adds multiple 1st round picks. RWB is not really markedly better than DeRozen - lots of high volume stats. He makes a ton of Money. You should be compensated for taking the Contract. The guy is simply not worth it.

This,damn it.

Everytime i watched Westbrook last year-and i watched more than 30 OKC games+their playoff series-i was wondering at what point will he be considered a negative contract that needs attached firsts to move.

He looks nothing like the super athletic PG that was giving the Spurs problems in the playoffs for half a decade.He in on the decline and has actually lost games single-handedly last year.

People on here have the memory of Westbeast and cannot realize that we're not talking about the same player anymore.Then you look at that contract $+length and you should turn around and run away.Not contemplate how many assets we would have to include.

[GusT15]

How old is Westbrook now? I thought he was older, so if he's only 33 in 2023, that is not as bad as a thought age wise, however, age doesn't delete his game ;).

You're right,he's gonna be 34 in 2023,not 33.(Born November 1988)

[RC_Drunkford]

Westbrook would mess up our salary cap for the next 4 years. One advantage the Spurs have is we don't have a player earning more than 30 million, and the 2 who earn more than 20 are on expiring deals with a player option. That is a good outlook for the future, Westbrook would just make it that much harder to add pieces and resign the young guys. I'd rather keep DeRozan than having to integrate an inefficient Westbrook on a bad contract

[Mugen]

worse than john wall? cp3? wiggins? lol

John Wall has a case tbh but yeah Russ' contract is worse than CP3 and Wiggins.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'd rather see a way to get Danilo tbh. He's an expiring contract.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Eh, I dunno. OKC is probably asking for too much but if you could send DDR, Wombat, White, and get him back, it's not a terrible idea. Provided he and Pop have a good enough relationship to know this would work and he's amenable to being coached by Pop.

Does anyone really think we wouldn't extend DDR for his max if he's still around come 2021? He'd be an upgrade and give us a guy with a killer instinct where we currently don't have any. He'd space the floor better than DDR and would create better opportunities for the team as a whole at that end, on top of being a better defender than DDR.

Westbrook/Forbes/Gay/Morris/Aldridge with Murray/Walker/KJ/Carroll/Poetl backing them up is a healthy, quality two deep for the Spurs. Added bonus of getting Patty's sorry ass out of here and not having to watch him be a turnstyle to close games because Pop is all about his korporate knowledge, even if he can't play.

[szkorhetz]

Thunder are trading Jerami Grant to the Nuggets for a 2020 first-rounder, per Adrian Wojnarowski (https://www.facebook.com/wojespn/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARBm-oKQRLh_PHMNISqwQsaCoTWTBHIb8SEutDUTDqKS4JtVCHrEBlt yIMB_bJn66XV0rZZFgfMZ404w&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARB88cC9c4h6qyNE_H0Q2lwPhNjmsmjY CnxmwNqXWJGdK9-Gancw2Vz9ggWU-7eVPYS7HC2i3GKtiagLc6mMK0OGQVCvFE5_OiRj8Es5Zxd1WeZ z6q-Cyl_bg_LlBnEG3mV6AyYtu2GBS8vTZtD-xQtuVue3NyNTY2W878lnyyX1QI27XNByZ6IHjUF38vrGB6qJEZ 8d8MBKTqPioTC4SRiKRfvKWqiZhtKOoWLfyaTpKXQS87jCO4Kk t-juRV8N3vuqyXYZPXBIlETIwwygQ75DP5JMIDXgVsQj5l9CA-70mwue_5NcsVkNovxqfvEQhiBonvee2ggD-3o5Icv9cBi5NxHA2KQT44LmZvZa9PvN)

[Gagnrath]

Giving up white in that is horrible..... Wombat, Bellani, Demar for Westbrook and a lottery protected first.

I don't even really like that. Westbrook is just such a mental headcase and hard to deal with. Tallented yes but his athletic abilities are fading fast with how hard he is pushi2 himself.

[Pavlov]

Thunder are trading Jerami Grant to the Nuggets for a 2020 first-rounder, per Adrian Wojnarowski (https://www.facebook.com/wojespn/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARBm-oKQRLh_PHMNISqwQsaCoTWTBHIb8SEutDUTDqKS4JtVCHrEBlt yIMB_bJn66XV0rZZFgfMZ404w&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARB88cC9c4h6qyNE_H0Q2lwPhNjmsmjY CnxmwNqXWJGdK9-Gancw2Vz9ggWU-7eVPYS7HC2i3GKtiagLc6mMK0OGQVCvFE5_OiRj8Es5Zxd1WeZ z6q-Cyl_bg_LlBnEG3mV6AyYtu2GBS8vTZtD-xQtuVue3NyNTY2W878lnyyX1QI27XNByZ6IHjUF38vrGB6qJEZ 8d8MBKTqPioTC4SRiKRfvKWqiZhtKOoWLfyaTpKXQS87jCO4Kk t-juRV8N3vuqyXYZPXBIlETIwwygQ75DP5JMIDXgVsQj5l9CA-70mwue_5NcsVkNovxqfvEQhiBonvee2ggD-3o5Icv9cBi5NxHA2KQT44LmZvZa9PvN)Scorchin det earth for picks.

I don't want to send out any young players.

[Dhbsr555]

40 mill a year would kill us

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

We aren't getting him without giving up one of the young guards. Murray is a tad more proven. Hell, I'd offer Walker first, just don't know if that would do it for Presti.

Again, between the All-Star games, USA basketball, etc., Pop has had enough exposure to WB. He'd know if there's something coachable in there or not.

People can talk all they want about potential, but I say we easily get past Denver in the playoffs if you swap WB for White. And I say that having been a big fan of White's since college.

[SpurSpike]

I was all for Boogie because he was cheap, HELL NO TO WESTBROOK. The trade would kill our youth movement! Plus DJ needs to be the leader of this team, he is the only person on the team that seems to have leadership skills.

[Payote75]

Again if Russ doesn't want to be there now that's a must go type situation. More importantly an owner in a small market saving 100 million and even more in two years if DD and Mills go bk while still remains competitive and still adding a lot of youth ....it really becomes a no brainer unless they don't want a star in return and are ok with maybe stars but salaries do have to match.

[BillMc]

Between Pop and Westbrook media interviews could be a tad gruff on bad days. :lol

[ernest787]

someone said WB would space the floor :lol

[cjw]

Even if OKC requires a pick back for Russ doesn’t mean any smart team will offer it. I frankly don’t see a viable trade partner out there for them this offseason:
- Miami is hard capped and Thunder want to get below the tax, so need to involve a third team
- Knicks contracts were all just signed so any money headed out the door can’t happen until December 15th
- The Rockets aren’t trading for Russ despite rumors they’re kicking the tires



Thunder are trading Jerami Grant to the Nuggets for a 2020 first-rounder, per Adrian Wojnarowski (https://www.facebook.com/wojespn/?__tn__=K-R&eid=ARBm-oKQRLh_PHMNISqwQsaCoTWTBHIb8SEutDUTDqKS4JtVCHrEBlt yIMB_bJn66XV0rZZFgfMZ404w&fref=mentions&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARB88cC9c4h6qyNE_H0Q2lwPhNjmsmjY CnxmwNqXWJGdK9-Gancw2Vz9ggWU-7eVPYS7HC2i3GKtiagLc6mMK0OGQVCvFE5_OiRj8Es5Zxd1WeZ z6q-Cyl_bg_LlBnEG3mV6AyYtu2GBS8vTZtD-xQtuVue3NyNTY2W878lnyyX1QI27XNByZ6IHjUF38vrGB6qJEZ 8d8MBKTqPioTC4SRiKRfvKWqiZhtKOoWLfyaTpKXQS87jCO4Kk t-juRV8N3vuqyXYZPXBIlETIwwygQ75DP5JMIDXgVsQj5l9CA-70mwue_5NcsVkNovxqfvEQhiBonvee2ggD-3o5Icv9cBi5NxHA2KQT44LmZvZa9PvN)

I think this takes care of their luxury tax issues, and if not they can do some minor maneuvering to get under it.

Given how broke the owners are, they almost certainly will.

[kobyz]

http://tradenba.com/trades/SkO6qkW-B
in 30 days you can replace Jacob with Luka

Russell Westbrook/Derrick White
DeMar DeRozan/Quinndary Weatherspoon
DeMarre Carroll/Keldon Johnson
Marcus Morris/Rudy Gay
LaMarcus Aldridge/Jakob Poeltl(Semanic)

would you do it?

[Seventyniner]

This is a fun trade to try in 2k19. In real life, hell naw. You don't get to see how RW and Pop get along until it's too late.

[kobyz]

This is a fun trade to try in 2k19. In real life, hell naw. You don't get to see how RW and Pop get along until it's too late.

you don't give up much imo so it worth the gamble, but i guess i'm the least high on IB an Hairdo in the site...

[Dex]

Hard pass. I simply hate Westbrook's game, not to mention his attitude. He is the opposite of a team player...he wants all the glory for himself as evidenced by his trip-dub chasing and his chucking in the playoffs.

I know people want to move away from DeMar but trading him for Westbrook is not the way to do it.

[Mugen]

I would rather extend DePression and build a Patty Drinking Coffee statue outside the arena than trade for Westbrook tbh.

[timvp]

I don't get the double standards in this post, tbh...

LMA literally requested to be traded over his stat chasing, but well, Westbrook does it, it's bad.Which stats was LMA chasing? How many trouble-doubles does he have?


A former french Spurs player ran off Kawhi (a likely HoF himself) off the roster, but Westbrook does it, it's bad. "It's hard when you don't practice with the team. The bulk of the camaraderie is pregame postgame and halftimes, when you are going through some adversity or trouble, and he is not with us most of the time. You have to make an effort to still be around and be part of the everyday topics and the good things and the bad things. You have to make an effort."


Same Spurs player was almost entirely running on athleticism and once he lost it, he got a thank you contract and every homer in here wanted to extend him. But if it's Westbrook, it's bad.What Tony Parker was Westbrook's age, he was a top three MVP candidate leading his team to a championship.*



*if someone didn't miss a key free throw and turn it over 329209u102 times, tbh.



He also has 100 times the competitive spirit guys like DDR or LMA will ever have. The vast majority of his tantrums come as reaction to losses. He's a guy that cares about winning, something you can't teach and our so-called 'leaders' don't have.Westbrook cares so much about winning that he's never won a playoff series without an MVP dragging him across the finish line.

":cry But he says bad words to the media when he loses :cry"

[Brazil]

Which stats was LMA chasing? How many trouble-doubles does he have?

"It's hard when you don't practice with the team. The bulk of the camaraderie is pregame postgame and halftimes, when you are going through some adversity or trouble, and he is not with us most of the time. You have to make an effort to still be around and be part of the everyday topics and the good things and the bad things. You have to make an effort."

What Tony Parker was Westbrook's age, he was a top three MVP candidate leading his team to a championship.*



*if someone didn't miss a key free throw and turn it over 329209u102 times, tbh.


Westbrook cares so much about winning that he's never won a playoff series without an MVP dragging him across the finish line.

":cry But he says bad words to the media when he loses :cry"

not sure why you bother with nono trolling tbh...

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

Kills the development of our two best young players. Sounds great.

[timvp]

He'd space the floor better than DDR

It's weird how Spurs fans hate DeRozan for not being able to shoot yet want Westbrook who is a worse shooter on every spot of the court.

And I don't even know where to begin with the line of thinking that Westbrook has a "winning mentality" or whatever it's being called. His teams have underachieved how many years in a row? Last year, he talked trash to Lillard and then ended up begging to be switched off of him, only to be embarrassed and waved off the court. The previous season he got sonned by Ricky Rubio in the playoffs of all people.

[benefactor]

:lol Westbrook spacing the floor...hes never been a good 3pt shooter...why the fuck do you think we call him Westbrick?

[Seventyniner]

Just imagine if Presti had been able to trade Westbrook instead of Harden (yeah I know their contracts didn't line up).

Westbrook's contract is only marginally better than those of John Wall and Chris Paul.

[Duncan87]

Anyone anymore “info” on this ? Report is Thunder working with Russ on trade anyone think Presti relationship with Spurs as well as being competitive actually try and get something done

[Marcus Bryant]

I’d rather stick with DeRozan and see what you could get from a team looking for cap relief using Mills’ and/or Bellinelli’s contracts.

[Marcus Bryant]

It's weird how Spurs fans hate DeRozan for not being able to shoot yet want Westbrook who is a worse shooter on every spot of the court.

And I don't even know where to begin with the line of thinking that Westbrook has a "winning mentality" or whatever it's being called. His teams have underachieved how many years in a row? Last year, he talked trash to Lillard and then ended up begging to be switched off of him, only to be embarrassed and waved off the court. The previous season he got sonned by Ricky Rubio in the playoffs of all people.

Fills up stat sheet, chucks the ball a lot, and loses in thrilling fashion.

[jjktkk]

Who led the team in usage AND shots per game?

Shot attempts, usage, assists..clearly looks like a man who led the team:lol

If you can't properly evaluate RW, using the eye test, instead of relying on stats, or analytics...

[jjktkk]

murray / westbrook / carroll / la / poeltl :hungry:

not the best shooting lineup but defensive and can operate in transition. westbrook will feed la and poeltl.

I would be "Coach of the year" playing against you in a 7 game series with this strategy.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's weird how Spurs fans hate DeRozan for not being able to shoot yet want Westbrook who is a worse shooter on every spot of the court.

And I don't even know where to begin with the line of thinking that Westbrook has a "winning mentality" or whatever it's being called. His teams have underachieved how many years in a row? Last year, he talked trash to Lillard and then ended up begging to be switched off of him, only to be embarrassed and waved off the court. The previous season he got sonned by Ricky Rubio in the playoffs of all people.

Well, wasn't thinking about it in terms of three ball shooting. More that he can create off the dribble, set teammates up, etc. Look at his assist numbers.

Didn't watch the OKC-Portland series, no reason to doubt you there.

[Mugen]

Well, wasn't thinking about it in terms of three ball shooting. More that he can create off the dribble, set teammates up, etc. Look at his assist numbers.

Didn't watch the OKC-Portland series, no reason to doubt you there.

:lol Derozan does all that shit except he doesn't hunt for assists like this stad padder does and he's a lot cheaper on a shorter deal.

[gambit1990]

this stat pad slander is bs :lol

even if adams is letting WB get rebounds, WB has averaged 10+ assists the past three seasons. without a plentiful amount of sharpshooters on his team.

[SpursDynasty85]

this stat pad slander is bs :lol

even if adams is letting WB get rebounds, WB has averaged 10+ assists the past three seasons. without a plentiful amount of sharpshooters on his team.

He is a stat padder. Look up on youtube the game highlights of him purely going for Triple Doubles instead of trying to win the game. He has the largest usage of anyone not named Harden. He had a stacked team last year and got humiliated by Trailblazers. He gave up "winning basketball" along time ago.

[RD2191]

DD, LMA, and RW would be a perfect trifecta of loserness.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I’d rather stick with DeRozan and see what you could get from a team looking for cap relief using Mills’ and/or Bellinelli’s contracts.

Me too. I think that OKC would insist on two of three of Walker, White, Murray to make this happen, when they should be begging for the cap (and tax) relief and handing us a first rounder or two to go with WB if we were to take him on.

I doubt the Spurs do it, but wouldn't be surprised if Pop thinks he can make it work.

[Strategic]

Only prime TD and TP could pull this scrub thru his short comings.

[gambit1990]

He had a stacked team last year and got humiliated by Trailblazers. He gave up "winning basketball" along time ago.
dame was fire. okc was on the verge of forcing a game 7.

[gambit1990]

Only prime TD and TP could pull this scrub thru his short comings.
WB, manu, td >>> tony, WB, td

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm pretty sure OKC has a significantly better record when Westbrook gets a triple double vs. when he doesn't:lol completely destroys the stat-padding argument..

Even if it was true, who gives a fuck? His historic triple-doubles are part of the reason you watch the games..you watch Russ because it's a game within a game, historic triple double watch.. it's not always about winning games, especially if you're going to be a treadmill team like the Spurs regardless..

[SpursDynasty85]

dame was fire. okc was on the verge of forcing a game 7.

Remember they didnt even have their 3rd best player (Nurkic). OKC choked. PG13 knew they couldnt win a championship if they couldnt beat a weakened Blazers team. He asked for atrade.

[Brazil]

Who led the team in usage AND shots per game?

Shot attempts, usage, assists..clearly looks like a man who led the team:lol

like Tony in 2014 you mean ?

[slick'81]

Pistons,heat,rockets names keep coming up.spurs rumors seem to have died down for now

[Leetonidas]

Pistons,heat,rockets names keep coming up.spurs rumors seem to have died down for now

Spurs haven't even been mentioned yet. Which makes sense. If the Spurs are really interested we won't hear anything until it happens imo

[BillMc]

DO NOT WANT.

Can't win now. And cripples chances of winning in the future.

[exstatic]

Anyone remember how fast DWade went from All Star to borderline NBA starter? Look for that from RW in the next two years. Meniscus surgery starts the clock on the knee becoming bone on bone.

[Duncan87]

Can imagine when Pop pulls him when he’s 1reb or 1assist from a triple dub?reaction on both sides instant must watch Tv

[Duncan87]

Or when he all pissed at the far end of the bench

[ernest787]

nah. that team is too reliant on rookies as the depth. I do agree that if you trade for WB it only makes sense if you are able to retain DD and LMA though.

[Marcus Bryant]

$90 million guaranteed after 2020-21 season over two years. No thanks.

[Duncan87]

Where’s all our SpursTalkers with Serious inside sources?

[DAF86]

Why is this joint still open? :lol

[timvp]

Meniscus surgery starts the clock on the knee becoming bone on bone.

Yeah, good point. Father time alone would have him slowing down right about now. IIRC, Westbrook has had multiple meniscus surgeries, the results of which don't really start slowing players down until they're into their 30s. But when it becomes bone on bone, the knee basically stops functioning as before -- and that's what Westbrook has to look forward to any minute now.

Bone on bone Westbrook probably isn't even an NBA player, tbh.





You can make the argument that the Spurs should make a run for someone like Brad Beal or even Jrue Holiday ... but Westbrook? It's just a terrible idea all the way around, even before factoring in what you'd have to give up to get him.

[DAF86]

Yeah, good point. Father time alone would have him slowing down right about now. IIRC, Westbrook has had multiple meniscus surgeries, the results of which don't really start slowing players down until they're into their 30s. But when it becomes bone on bone, the knee basically stops functioning as before -- and that's what Westbrook has to look forward to any minute now.

Bone on bone Westbrook probably isn't even an NBA player, tbh.





You can make the argument that the Spurs should make a run for someone like Brad Beal or even Jrue Holiday ... but Westbrook? It's just a terrible idea all the way around, even before factoring in what you'd have to give up to get him.

Transforming DeRozan into Bradly Beal would be so ideal. I would call a WCF appearance right now.

[DAF86]

Yeah, good point. Father time alone would have him slowing down right about now. IIRC, Westbrook has had multiple meniscus surgeries, the results of which don't really start slowing players down until they're into their 30s. But when it becomes bone on bone, the knee basically stops functioning as before -- and that's what Westbrook has to look forward to any minute now.

Bone on bone Westbrook probably isn't even an NBA player, tbh.





You can make the argument that the Spurs should make a run for someone like Brad Beal or even Jrue Holiday ... but Westbrook? It's just a terrible idea all the way around, even before factoring in what you'd have to give up to get him.

Do you think DeRozan and a 1st would be enough to get Beal?

[timvp]

Transforming DeRozan into Bradly Beal would be so ideal. I would call a WCF appearance right now.

Someone should start that Trade Target thread, tbh. Beal is someone who you might ponder giving up a young buck or two in order to acquire. Not Westbrook. :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Beal and DeRozan's contracts are very similiar in guaranteed amount left over next two seasons. You'd likely have to throw in a pick plus whoever out of Murray, White, Walker

[Mugen]

I wonder if the Wizards are pissed that the Clippers didn't come calling with that same package they gave up for PG....

I bet Washington says yes to that deal and it probably would have only cost them 1/2 the picks they gave up to OKC.

I'd 100% give up one or two of the young guns for Beal tbh....

[dabom6]

Give them Derozan, Belinelli and IG Baller + a 2nd pick..

Russ could turn Poetl into Steven Adams in an instant, so you'd essentially receive Adams in the deal as well..

Westbrook/Patty
Forbes/White/Walker
Carroll/Gay
Aldridge/Bertans
Poetl

Nice mix of offense, defense and entertainment..also, Russ is an Ironman who doesn't take games off, never have to worry about load management or coasting..he also gets 10-15 assists in his sleep, so Aldridge doesn't have to worry about touches, nor does he have to bother putting energy in on the boards with Russ around..

That's a great lineup. :tu

[DPG21920]

Someone should start that Trade Target thread, tbh. Beal is someone who you might ponder giving up a young buck or two in order to acquire. Not Westbrook. :lol

Agree - Beal is younger and on a better deal and has a more valuable skillset. I would be absolute fine trading DeRozan + one of the young guys + multiple firsts for Beal.

If you can guarantee that one of the young guys is an All-Star then it’s worth it (and that is what Beal does).

I would also be kicking tires on Aaron Gordon for a lesser price obviously with Vuc and Bamba there.

[slick'81]

I wonder if the Wizards are pissed that the Clippers didn't come calling with that same package they gave up for PG....

I bet Washington says yes to that deal and it probably would have only cost them 1/2 the picks they gave up to OKC.

I'd 100% give up one or two of the young guns for Beal tbh....


Who wouldnt tbh?

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, DeRozan's has a player option for 2020-21 season.

[DAF86]

Beal and DeRozan's contracts are very similiar in guaranteed amount left over next two seasons. You'd likely have to throw in a pick plus whoever out of Murray, White, Walker

I would do it with either Murray and Walker. White is off the table for me.

[bigfan]

$90 million guaranteed after 2020-21 season over two years. No thanks.

this

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe you could try for Beal with Murray, White or Walker plus Mills and Bellinelli and pick? [Assuming that Wizards are looking to move on and free up near term cap room] Still, if Beal was being shopped I'd imagine they would find a better deal than the Spurs could put together.

[timvp]

I would do it with either Murray and Walker. White is off the table for me.

I'm highest on White of any of the young guys but, man, I'd have to do DeRozan + White for Beal. That fixes any spacing issues and then you're Dejounte-Murray-becoming-a-star away from a championship, IMO.

[DAF86]

Well, DeRozan's has a player option for 2020-21 season.

It's virtually an expiring contract for Washington. I know PATFO are less cold hearted than other front Offices but they wouldn't be doing their job if they don't at least ask for the availability of Beal.

[spurraider21]

yeah i'd take beal over westbrook

[DAF86]

I'm highest on White of any of the young guys but, man, I'd have to do DeRozan + White for Beal. That fixes any spacing issues and then you're Dejounte-Murray-becoming-a-star away from a championship, IMO.

I'm just really really high on White. To me it's not a matter of "if", it's just a matter of when DeRozan gets the fuck out for White to become a borderline all-star.

[Marcus Bryant]

Admittedly I've paid little attention to the Wizards. Any reason they'd ditch Beal with two years left?

[Dennis the Menace]

If we were interested in a move for Beal; would be weird to complete 2 separate trades with them since we just did a Bertans?

I feel like if we were interested in Beal it would’ve happened with Bertans in the package

[Mugen]

Admittedly I've paid little attention to the Wizards. Any reason they'd ditch Beal with two years left?

Because giving John Wall that contract ruined any chance of them being relevant in the next 5 years and Beal is the only asset they have.

[DAF86]

Maybe you could try for Beal with Murray, White or Walker plus Mills and Bellinelli and pick? [Assuming that Wizards are looking to move on and free up near term cap room] Still, if Beal was being shopped I'd imagine they would find a better deal than the Spurs could put together.

A big part of the Beal/DeRozan swap win would be getting past the DeRozan era, tbh.

A Murray, Beal, DeRozan, Morris, Aldridge lineup wouldn't be as good as a Murray, White, Beal, Morris, Aldridge lineup.

[exstatic]

Admittedly I've paid little attention to the Wizards. Any reason they'd ditch Beal with two years left?

Payroll. No one will take Wall's bloated deal.

[Marcus Bryant]

Because giving John Wall that contract ruined any chance of them being relevant in the next 5 years and Beal is the only asset they have.

Spurs then likely don't have a shot if the Wizards are looking for the best return as opposed to finding a team to take a large contract.

[Mugen]

Spurs then likely don't have a shot if the Wizards are looking for the best return as opposed to finding a team to take a large contract.

Yeah, the Spurs would be easily outbid unless the Wiz were just in love with one of the young guys. Derozan holds little value, especially to a team like Washington tbh.

[Dhbsr555]

Pistons,heat,rockets names keep coming up.spurs rumors seem to have died down for now
I Imagine cause they want The Spurs whole young core plus derozen

[DAF86]

Spurs then likely don't have a shot if the Wizards are looking for the best return as opposed to finding a team to take a large contract.

DeRozan's virtual expiring + 2 of the youngsters + 2 future 1st round picks. I think that could be something the Wizardz consider. I mean, it's more than what we got for Kawhi fucking Leonard. :lol :bang

[Duncan87]

Time for this thread to close? changing to a Beal thread now

[BillMc]

Derozan holds little value, especially to a team like Washington tbh.

I seriously wonder if Toronto would want him back. They instantly return to a Top 4 Eastern team (admittedly one that will flame out in the playoffs) and he's beloved there. But, I can't imagine the Spurs would want anything but Siakam. And that ain't happening.

[Mugen]

I seriously wonder if Toronto would want him back. They instantly return to a Top 4 Eastern team (admittedly one that will flame out in the playoffs) and he's beloved there. But, I can't imagine the Spurs would want anything but Siakam. And that ain't happening.

Yeah, the only one I'd ever want from them is Siakam. But as you said, Masai is probably beyond happy that he was able to offload Derozaon regardless if they won the title or not.

[TDMVPDPOY]

why not trade ddr to knicks for whatever picks?

[Marcus Bryant]

DeRozan's virtual expiring + 2 of the youngsters + 2 future 1st round picks. I think that could be something the Wizardz consider. I mean, it's more than what we got for Kawhi fucking Leonard. :lol :bang

DeRozan and Beal's contracts are nearly identical, doesn't change anything for them with respect to cap space unless we are to believe DeRozan opts out next summer for whatever reason. You'd have to offer at least one unprotected 1st rounder if not more and White, Murray, or Walker.

[DAF86]

DeRozan and Beal's contracts are nearly identical, doesn't change anything for them with respect to cap space unless we are to believe DeRozan opts out next summer for whatever reason. You'd have to offer at least one unprotected 1st rounder if not more and White, Murray, or Walker.

Yeah, well, pretty much what I said. :lol

I would do that, tbh.

[r0drig0lac]

I seriously wonder if Toronto would want him back. They instantly return to a Top 4 Eastern team (admittedly one that will flame out in the playoffs) and he's beloved there. But, I can't imagine the Spurs would want anything but Siakam. And that ain't happening.

Anunoby + Marc

[Dex]

1148339906285985792

Russ leaving OKC to play with PG-lite.

[Mugen]

1148339906285985792

Miami is the only team that makes sense tbh....

Riles has been star desperate since LeBron left, they don't really even care if it means they're a 6th-7th seed for the next 5 years....

Russ can get paid stupid money to wear some of the gayest shit you can imagine down in South Beach....win/win tbh.....

[Mugen]

Dragic/JamesJohnson/Winslow for Russ. Easy peezy.

[timvp]

Yeah, Westbrook to the Heat makes too much sense. Riles never passes up the opportunity to acquire a star who is nearing the end of the rope.

[Dhbsr555]

But what if dd opts in I mean he’s unlikely to get paid more that 27.5 mill .. it’s possible he doesn’t opt out

[TD 21]

The Pelicans can probably beat any offer for Beal if/when he (inevitably?) becomes available. The only chance the Spurs would have of even entering the sweepstakes, is for Murray and/or White to flash star potential next season (Walker more than likely won't play enough to have the opportunity).

I'd be willing to give up DeRozan, 1 of Murray or White and 2 of Walker and future 1sts.

DeRozan is irrelevant and this team has built up enough depth of youth to where they could afford to sacrifice 3 young assets for a player who checks as many boxes as him.

[Chillen]

I don't think Butler and Westbrook is a good fit if he goes to Heat. I don't see it working, going to be lots of bricks thrown up in the air.

It doesn't seem like the Spurs are expressing any interest in Westbrook so far.

[Marcus Bryant]

But what if dd opts in I mean he’s unlikely to get paid more that 27.5 mill .. it’s possible he doesn’t opt out

Next summer supposedly is a weak free agent class, potentially able to get a larger next contract then rather than in 2021. I'd be surprised but you never know.

[TD 21]

I doubt the Heat give up Winslow for Westbrook. That defeats the whole purpose of this move, which is to win now. Plus, considering the limited market, the motivation the Thunder will have and the amount of long term money they can save them, Westbrook and Patterson for Dragic, Waiters, Leonard and a 1st, probably gets it done.

[Mugen]

I expect Russ to be moved by Friday. I wonder what happens to Adams/Roberson, gotta imagine they're both available as well.

Wouldn't mind getting Roberson tbh...Beli/Metu/2nd rounder

[Mugen]

I doubt the Heat give up Winslow for Westbrook. That defeats the whole purpose of this move, which is to win now. Plus, considering the limited market, the motivation the Thunder will have and the amount of long term money they can save them, Westbrook and Patterson for Dragic, Waiters, Leonard and a 1st, probably gets it done.

Presti would ask for and get one of Herro, Winslow, or Bam tbh.

[TD 21]

Presti would ask for and get one of Herro, Winslow, or Bam tbh.

The Heat have the leverage. The Thunder are desperate (not just because they're entering a re-build and want to cut costs, but because they'll want to do right by Westbrook) and the market will be limited.

If I'm the Heat, I'm not giving up any of the 3 unless the Thunder prove they can beat the offer I laid out. Even then, I'm topping out at Herro. Winslow and Adebayo are somewhere between the 3rd-5th best players on the team; they can't afford to lose them.

[FkLA]

I would do it with either Murray and Walker. White is off the table for me.

:tu

White is untouchable, tbh.

[cd98]

This dude is untradeable. I doubt he goes anywhere.

[Chillen]

Everyone is talking Miami, Houston, etc but I wonder if the Raptors could get him without giving up much of their core. They just lost Kawhi so I wonder if they would have any interest, likely the whole team will have to be traded for Westbrook.

[Mugen]

The Heat have the leverage. The Thunder are desperate (not just because they're entering a re-build and want to cut costs, but because they'll want to do right by Westbrook) and the market will be limited.

If I'm the Heat, I'm not giving up any of the 3 unless the Thunder prove they can beat the offer I laid out. Even then, I'm topping out at Herro. Winslow and Adebayo are somewhere between the 3rd-5th best players on the team; they can't afford to lose them.

Presti can drum up interest from another team (fake or otherwise....Detroit, Houston) to use as leverage against Miami. I'd be very surprised if the Heat didnt have to part with one of those young guys tbh.

[slick'81]

Everyone is talking Miami, Houston, etc but I wonder if the Raptors could get him without giving up much of their core. They just lost Kawhi so I wonder if they would have any interest, likely the whole team will have to be traded for Westbrook.

minnesota could be a dark horse as well.moreys former guys there and they love going after any big name

[Chillen]

Just checked they are not including Lowry for Westbrook, so it would have to be Marc Gasol, Powell, and a pick. OKC hangs the phone up.

[Duncan87]

Nothing from Spurs side?

[TD 21]

Presti can drum up interest from another team (fake or otherwise....Detroit, Houston) to use as leverage against Miami. I'd be very surprised if the Heat didnt have to part with one of those young guys tbh.

Sure, but again, they'll want to do right by Westbrook and he prefers the Heat. The offers would likely be similar (Jackson, who I doubt they want to bring back, even for a year, plus Snell, Galloway and a 1st?) anyway.

Apparently the Heat are so close to the hard cap that my iteration wouldn't work, so throw in Jones Jr. . . . or, if push comes to shove, Herro in his stead. :lol

[slick'81]

Nothing from Spurs side?


Im sure duncan 2k5 can ask timmy

[dubross]

1148352783868780544

[MoSpur02]

Nothing from Spurs side?

It's Miami, Minnesota, and the Spurs who are a sleeper in the possibility of trading for Westbrook.

[MaNu4Tres]

Really hope the Spurs dont do this...

[MoSpur02]

The Knicks are the other team ahead of the Spurs

[BatManu20]

Really hope the Spurs dont do this...

They won’t. Just due diligence imo.

[FkLA]

If this happens and it involves sacrificing White I am done, tbh.

White > Westbrook

[slick'81]

They won’t. Just due diligence imo.


Obviously spurs have talked to presti about a deal centered around derozan butwho knows how serious

[cjw]

this stat pad slander is bs :lol

even if adams is letting WB get rebounds, WB has averaged 10+ assists the past three seasons. without a plentiful amount of sharpshooters on his team.

Since he came into league, the only player with more turnovers per possession is Tony Wroten. So yes, you will get counting stats if you have the ball in your hands.

[ironman2886]

Russell’s contract is fucking disgusting.

[Dex]

Im sure duncan 2k5 can ask timmy

:lmao

[BatManu20]

Miami just feels like it’s gonna happen tbh, especially since I think OKC wants to do right by Russ for being loyal to them. And it sounds like he wants to be in Miami, so I think that’s where he will end up.

Likely for something like:

Dragic
Winslow
Derrick Jones Jr
Making that 2023 draft pick unprotected
+ another First round pick imo

[BatManu20]

I would rather have DJ + White + Lonnie over Westbrook moving forward and it’s not close tbh.

[Mr. Body]

With this, the Durant, Harden, Westbrook core is done. No hardware to show for it.

[FkLA]

I would rather have DJ + White + Lonnie over Westbrook moving forward and it’s not close tbh.

The correct order is White + IB + Lonnie, imo. It's like when talking about the Big 3, Tim was always first.

[BatManu20]

The correct order is White + IB + Lonnie, imo.

Agree tbh.

[slick'81]

I would rather have DJ + White + Lonnie over Westbrook moving forward and it’s not close tbh.


Almost every spur fan here has echoed that sentiment

[NASpurs]

Westbrook seems like the type of player you trade for and then a John Wall situation happens.

[ironman2886]

The correct order is White + IB + Lonnie, imo. It's like when talking about the Big 3, Tim was always first.
IB? Who’s that?

[BatManu20]

Besides the fact that I’m just not a fan of his game and shot-selection, Russ will be 31 in a couple months. With the way he plays, I don’t trust those knees moving forward tbh. There’s nothing finesse about his game. He’s going to start breaking down within a couple years imo.

[BatManu20]

IB? Who’s that?

Instagram Baller = Dejounte

[MoSpur02]

Really hope the Spurs dont do this...

This

[timvp]

Spurs fans feel sorry for themselves sometimes yet the Thunder had Durant, Harden, Westbrook, Ibaka, PG13, Oladipo, Adams, etc, etc and only have one Finals appearance to show for it -- an appearance where they got destroyed after Game 1.

[Leetonidas]

Really hope the Spurs dont do this...

You think they're seriously considering it?

[TD 21]

Maybe the Spurs have turned over a new leaf with the Morris signing . . . but it's probably far more likely that they're just doing due diligence. I suspect this falls under the heading of looking at all avenues to improve the team. This is a rare one where they could arguably do so in the short term without having to do severe long term damage.

I'm not advocating doing it, but investigating exactly what it would take is harmless.



Spurs fans feel sorry for themselves sometimes yet the Thunder had Durant, Harden, Westbrook, Ibaka, PG13, Oladipo, Adams, etc, etc and only have one Finals appearance to show for it -- an appearance where they got destroyed after Game 1.

We have our (valid) reasons, but :lmao at them drafting an MVP in 3 consecutive drafts, yet somehow failing to win a championship. Sure, they didn't have them in their primes simultaneously and had some bad injury luck, but still. They've got to go down as the greatest "what if?" in NBA history.

[Chillen]

Spurs fans feel sorry for themselves sometimes yet the Thunder had Durant, Harden, Westbrook, Ibaka, PG13, Oladipo, Adams, etc, etc and only have one Finals appearance to show for it -- an appearance where they got destroyed after Game 1.

That team really gave the Spurs a wooping in 2012 WCF's. I was surprised they folded like they did against the Heat but the Heat were hungry and determined that season after losing to Mavs. On paper today that looks like the better team even better than Miami but they couldn't get it done.

That Harden to Rockets trade was so stupid, it worked out for the Spurs though as we made the 2013, 2014 NBA finals and got a ring out of it. Thanks Presti.

[MoSpur02]

I would rather have DJ + White + Lonnie over Westbrook moving forward and it’s not close tbh.

For sure

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs fans feel sorry for themselves sometimes yet the Thunder had Durant, Harden, Westbrook, Ibaka, PG13, Oladipo, Adams, etc, etc and only have one Finals appearance to show for it -- an appearance where they got destroyed after Game 1.

:tu I still don't get it, either about OKC's shortcomings or Spurs Fan Syndrome.

[gambit1990]

demar for WB and spurs will be contenders.

[slick'81]

demar for WB and spurs will be contenders.


Your clips are legit gammy

[Dennis the Menace]

I would rather have DJ + White + Lonnie over Westbrook moving forward and it’s not close tbh.

[gambit1990]

Your clips are legit gammy
jerry west is the man.

[Dejounte]

The more i think about it, the more i would would welcome this trade if we were able to keep LMA and DeMar.

Westbrook/ Derrick White
DeMar/ Forbes/ Johnson
Gay/ Carroll
Aldridge/ Morris
Poetl/ Eubanks

[benefactor]

:tu I still don't get it, either about OKC's shortcomings or Spurs Fan Syndrome.
Spurs Fan Syndrome tbh. Incurable illness

[gambit1990]

WB is the hypercharger the spurs need.

like when thor got that axe. might not be enough to defeat thanos (kawhi) but it’s the spurs’ best shot.

[dubross]

Spurstalk will go ballistic if they trade 2 of DeJounte, White and Lonnie Walker :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[lmbebo]

Miami just feels like it’s gonna happen tbh, especially since I think OKC wants to do right by Russ for being loyal to them. And it sounds like he wants to be in Miami, so I think that’s where he will end up.

Likely for something like:

Dragic
Winslow
Derrick Jones Jr
Making that 2023 draft pick unprotected
+ another First round pick imo


Agree, prob Miami, but not sure Miami has many picks to trade anymore. And better Miami is, worse the picks they already have are.

[Leetonidas]

They would be retarded to make Miami competitive since they own some of their upcoming firsts

[slick'81]

They would be retarded to make Miami competitive since they own some of their upcoming firsts

Yea it wouldnt be an easy deal at all, same with hou probably

[Duncan87]

Woj on NBATv just basically shot down Miami as in they wouldn’t want to give up any key players cause they all fit with Jimmy Butler style

[Duncan87]

Said their could be some Darkhorse team that steals him

[ducks]

He should go to Knicks

[Blackhaus]

I feel bad for whoever gives up the farm for this chucker, I would be heart broken if the spurs gave up their picks and young talent for westbrick.

[GusT15]

Said their could be some Darkhorse team that steals him

From what Woj was saying i kinda also got that Westbrook and Presti want him traded more than the other teams are actually interested.

Doris Burke or the other commentator asked him if he sees the trade going through eventually and he seemed hesitant.
My take is that the contract is scaring teams away and the teams that would want him can't match the salary and OKC already has 2 Miami draft picks so why would they want him there? (Woj said that as well)

[GusT15]

He should go to Knicks

Woj commented on the Knicks as well,said that they cannot possibly trade for him cause of the contracts signed recently.The salary is tied up to contracts not tradeable in the near future.

[gambit1990]

not the biggest la fan but i’d be pretty disappointed if the spurs traded him for westbrook instead of demar.

[ElNono]

Which stats was LMA chasing? How many trouble-doubles does he have?

"It's hard when you don't practice with the team. The bulk of the camaraderie is pregame postgame and halftimes, when you are going through some adversity or trouble, and he is not with us most of the time. You have to make an effort to still be around and be part of the everyday topics and the good things and the bad things. You have to make an effort."

What Tony Parker was Westbrook's age, he was a top three MVP candidate leading his team to a championship.*

*if someone didn't miss a key free throw and turn it over 329209u102 times, tbh.


Westbrook cares so much about winning that he's never won a playoff series without an MVP dragging him across the finish line.

":cry But he says bad words to the media when he loses :cry"

:lol now you're gonna qualify stat chasing? dude requested to be traded over his touches(!)... and Pop bent over and "sure LMA, here, let's slow down the whole offense so you can clang this 20 ft jumper".

And I love Tony Parker, tbh, every player has flaws, but when he was Westbrooks' age, he was saying the Spurs were done winning championships... smh... such a defeatist attitude. Thankfully we had other leaders to win us a championship a year later. Not going to make a joke about France and surrender purely out of respect, he will have his jersey in the rafters, next to Avery, as he should.

And lastly, being dragged by an MVP through the finish line is a knock? Do you remember the first round series against Dallas in 2009? :lol

Frankly, I don't think Westbrook would make this team a contender either, just more fun to watch than DDR talking about :cry playing with a razor in the parking lot of Whataburger :cry

[ElNono]

Transforming DeRozan into Bradly Beal would be so ideal. I would call a WCF appearance right now.


Do you think DeRozan and a 1st would be enough to get Beal?


Someone should start that Trade Target thread, tbh. Beal is someone who you might ponder giving up a young buck or two in order to acquire. Not Westbrook. :lol

Sign me up for the Beal bandwagon.

[R. DeMurre]

My least favorite player in the NBA. Has not learned or adapted at all in a decade. And now that Paul George has left him, I think history will judge rightly that Durant was smart to leave also. Just an undisciplined, stubborn, inefficient guy loaded with natural talent who will never win a title.

[John B]

Not over himself

[JR3]

Not over himself
this

[kobyz]

All the people here that against trading for Russ if you believed them during all last season, you would think that Kawhi is garbage and that Toronto have made a bad deal, lol, give me Russ!

[Dhbsr555]

All The Spurs fans that are saying I’m ok with giving walker up.. if that happens you will regret it.

[DeRozan m8]

All the people here that against trading for Russ if you believed them during all last season, you would think that Kawhi is garbage and that Toronto have made a bad deal, lol, give me Russ!

You're making yourself look like an idiot tbh

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Perfect example of a stat-sheet guy who’s numbers inflate his actual value to a tram. There’s a reason why all of his other star teammates defect.

[Mario1976]

Please Spurs stay away from that chucker
Vastly overrated
Loonie>>>>>westbrick

[Dhbsr555]

And we haven’t seen what walker can truly do at the nba level but trading him is downright stupid at this point.

[John B]

Please Spurs stay away from that chucker
Vastly overrated
Loonie>>>>>westbrick
Tbh Lonnie has the offensive skills that cancels Westbrook out.

[Dhbsr555]

Guys let’s not forget walker is only 20.

[EricB]

“Murray is going nowhere”

so breathe easy guys.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Pop thinks a lot of Westbrook...so maybe something is cooking. Demar, Beli and pieces?

[Dhbsr555]

I’d trade Westbrook for Cherokee parks

[Arcadian]

Fuck no.

[Ocotillo]

Would be fun to watch a scrimmage of the Spurs playing an all star team of the various players people have advocated for on the board. Let's see they could have Boogie at center, Westbrook running the show, Nassir Little as the rookie small forward, who else?

[Chillen]

Surprised this kind of cooled off today as much as it did.

[GreekSpursfan]

Fuck it, go for this guy. On second thought no.

[Chillen]

As long as it's DeMar, Marco, and Forbes and two future first round picks fine. Nothing more, no Spurs young prospects included at all.

Would OKC accept that?

They could probably trade DeMar to Knicks and get some picks.

[gambit1990]

I'd much rather have DeRozan than Westbrook.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/13l7w7N4Vr1dw4/giphy.gif

[gambit1990]

if you want demar over WB then you might wanna see a doctor tbh...

[gambit1990]

Westbrook fans stuck in 2016 :lol

Yeah, I wouldn't do Westbrook for DeRozan.


TBH:

ddr for WB would be the best trade spurs have ever made.