7.25 to 15 would kill millions of jobs

[ducks]

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/55410
do it liberals KILL jobs!

[Thread]

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/55410
do it liberals KILL jobs!

That's a tired ass scare tactic, ducks. I put trace amount of belief in it.

[boutons_deux]

ducks and his sources are full of slimey duckshit

decades of multiple studies about the many raises of Fed minimum since the 1930s have shown that raising the minimum wage has almost no effect the employment rate.

Which sorta "duck tails" with the bizarre situation that a "full" unemployment rate of 3.6% is not causing wage increases.

[ducks]

What about doubling it
That is what liberals want
Increasing it by a dollar ok
Min wage is for teanagers To learn to work
Not 40 year old men to support their wife and 6 kids because they fuck to much

[AaronY]

That's a tired ass scare tactic, ducks. I put trace amount of belief in it.
You don't think Democrats would raise minimum wage or you think that the report is inaccurate?

[Spurminator]

decades of multiple studies about the many raises of Fed minimum since the 1930s have shown that raising the minimum wage has almost no effect the employment rate.

For average increases, maybe not. But raising it to $15 is a big step that will certainly have effects on employment, especially in rural towns.

[ElNono]

Does minimum wage applies to mojados? Asking for a friend...

[boutons_deux]

For average increases, maybe not. But raising it to $15 is a big step that will certainly have effects on employment, especially in rural towns.

I really doubt stupid, constipated Congress will do it intelligently, but city, regional costs of living are well known, have been for decades, so $15 in NYC is useless while it would be very helpful in, eg, Victoria TX.

So one number for the entire country is stupid, but that would be Congress (anyway, the Repugs will block it to side with Capital over Labor)

and it must be indexed to CoL inflation,

so Fed minimum would be autonomous Mission Accomplished rather a political football with which Capital abuses Labor.

[ducks]

What is the average wage in world

[Thread]

You don't think Democrats would raise minimum wage or you think that the report is inaccurate?


The latter.

[AaronY]

The latter.
I think it would be bad for small businesses or rural areas. I would make it $15 for big businesses and $11 or $12 for small businesses or rural areas myself

[boutons_deux]

So many businesses depend on cheap labor working for poverty wages, businesses subsidized, aka corporate welfare/socialism, by taxpayers' public assistance to poor people.

[Thread]

I think it would be bad for small businesses or rural areas. I would make it $15 for big businesses and $11 or $12 for small businesses or rural areas myself

Let (us) set the outcome. Us, the marketplace. That rarely happens though. (We) can't be trusted to do what THEY want, so THEY tamp us down. They'll set the marketplace. You know me, AY,,,I spit on THEY.

[boutons_deux]

New CBO report shows that a $15 minimum wage will lift 1.3 million people out of poverty

This week, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released a report assessing the economic impact of a $15 minimum wage.

They found that 1.3 million people would be lifted out of poverty and that

some 27.3 million low-wage workers would see annual earnings increase by $44 billion―

an average $1,500 increase for affected low-wage workers.

Over the last decade, a $7.25 minimum wage has lost purchasing power to the tune of 17 percent, which translates to a loss of more than $3,000 in annual earnings for a full-time, year-round minimum wage worker.

Working people need a raise and that starts by raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour.

... from EPI Policy Center email.

[boutons_deux]

Will Better Pay for Employees Cause Restaurants to Disappear?

The overwhelming conclusion of recent research indicates that

rising wages have little to no impact on employment numbers (https://247wallst.com/jobs/2019/07/09/why-lifting-the-minimum-wage-to-15-an-hour-wont-cost-1-3-million-jobs/),

A new survey of more than 1,900 food service workers (https://www.7shifts.com/blog/study-restaurant-happiness-turnover/) conducted by 7shifts, a company that markets a software scheduling platform, showed that,

despite the turnover rate approaching 120% (https://tdn2k.com/disengaged-gms-fourth-tdn2k/),

most restaurant employees rated overall happiness with their jobs an 8 on a scale of 1 to 10. More than 30% rated their happiness at 9 of 10.
Who are these happy people?

Nearly a third (32.1%) are 16 to 20 years old and

almost as many (31.5%) are 21 to 25.

Less than 6% are older than 41.

The average age for all workers is just 29.

Younger employees who graduate from high school or college often leave the restaurant business for other careers.

https://247wallst.com/services/2019/07/10/will-better-pay-for-employees-cause-restaurants-to-disappear/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FRyNm+%2824%2F7+Wall +St.%29 (https://247wallst.com/services/2019/07/10/will-better-pay-for-employees-cause-restaurants-to-disappear/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FRyNm+%2824%2F7+Wall +St.%29)

[Winehole23]

Lot of posters spinning cost, a few spinning benefits, how do they balance out?

For example, it's a very good point that in such a strong economy as we putatively have right now, the ( mainly atudents ans part time) minimum wage workers that would lose their jobs would be likely to replace their income working far fewer hours.

https://prospect.org/article/conservatives-grasp-straws-after-cbo-minimum-wage-analysis-shows-clear-benefits

[boutons_deux]

https://prospect.org/article/conservatives-grasp-straws-after-cbo-minimum-wage-analysis-shows-clear-benefits

yep, :lol, the oligarchy/Repugs will BLOCK any disruption of their rigged status quo.

Anyway, $15 NATIONALLY, with no regional cost of living variations, AND not adjusted annually for inflation, is fucking stupid, but that's Congress.

[Winehole23]

Agreed, one size fits all policy generally doesn't.

[boutons_deux]

This Map Shows the Hourly Wage Needed to Rent a 2-Bedroom Home in Every State

51. Arkansas -- $14.26
50. West Virginia -- $14.27
49. Mississippi -- $14.43
48. Kentucky -- $14.84
47. Alabama -- $14.92
46. South Dakota -- $15.30
45. Iowa -- $15.44
44. Idaho -- $15.47
43. Oklahoma -- $15.54
42. Ohio -- $15.73
41. Kansas -- $15.92
40. Montana -- $15.97
39. Missouri -- $16.00
38. Indiana -- $16.03
37. Nebraska -- $16.08
36. New Mexico -- $16.34
35. Wyoming -- $16.46
34. Tennessee -- $16.58
33. North Dakota -- $16.65
32. Wisconsin -- $16.77
31. Louisiana -- $16.86
30. North Carolina -- $16.95
29. Michigan -- $17.25
28. South Carolina -- $17.27
27. Utah -- $18.30
26. Georgia -- $18.42
25. Nevada -- $18.85
24. Pennsylvania -- $19.35
23. Arizona -- $19.52
22. Minnesota -- $19.74
21. Maine -- $19.91
20. Texas -- $20.29
19. Illinois -- $20.85
18. Rhode Island -- $20.86
17. Delaware -- $21.97
16. Vermont -- $22.78
15. Florida -- $22.86
14. Oregon -- $22.97
13. Virginia -- $23.13
12. New Hampshire -- $23.23
11. Alaska -- $24.84
10. Colorado -- $25.33
9. Connecticut -- $25.40
8. Maryland -- $27.52
7. Washington -- $27.78
6. New Jersey -- $28.86
5. New York -- $30.76
4. Washington, DC -- $32.02
3. Massachusetts -- $33.81
2. California -- $34.69
1. Hawaii -- $36.82

https://www.thrillist.com/news/nation/hourly-wages-to-afford-two-bedroom-rent-mapped (https://www.thrillist.com/news/nation/hourly-wages-to-afford-two-bedroom-rent-mapped)

[RandomGuy]

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/55410
do it liberals KILL jobs!

Nope.

No evidence of any such thing in any city that has done that.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/55410
do it liberals KILL jobs!

Shocker. Report doesn't actually say that.

That fewer people might actually not have to work 2+ jobs, would mean such a loss of shitty jobs would mean no dent in the unemployment rate.

Boo-fucking hoo.

You really are a dupe for your rich overlords. keep groveling for crumbs, plebe.

[ducks]

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/report-15-minimum-wage-would-be-economic-disaster-67012

[ducks]

This Map Shows the Hourly Wage Needed to Rent a 2-Bedroom Home in Every State

51. Arkansas -- $14.26
50. West Virginia -- $14.27
49. Mississippi -- $14.43
48. Kentucky -- $14.84
47. Alabama -- $14.92
46. South Dakota -- $15.30
45. Iowa -- $15.44
44. Idaho -- $15.47
43. Oklahoma -- $15.54
42. Ohio -- $15.73
41. Kansas -- $15.92
40. Montana -- $15.97
39. Missouri -- $16.00
38. Indiana -- $16.03
37. Nebraska -- $16.08
36. New Mexico -- $16.34
35. Wyoming -- $16.46
34. Tennessee -- $16.58
33. North Dakota -- $16.65
32. Wisconsin -- $16.77
31. Louisiana -- $16.86
30. North Carolina -- $16.95
29. Michigan -- $17.25
28. South Carolina -- $17.27
27. Utah -- $18.30
26. Georgia -- $18.42
25. Nevada -- $18.85
24. Pennsylvania -- $19.35
23. Arizona -- $19.52
22. Minnesota -- $19.74
21. Maine -- $19.91
20. Texas -- $20.29
19. Illinois -- $20.85
18. Rhode Island -- $20.86
17. Delaware -- $21.97
16. Vermont -- $22.78
15. Florida -- $22.86
14. Oregon -- $22.97
13. Virginia -- $23.13
12. New Hampshire -- $23.23
11. Alaska -- $24.84
10. Colorado -- $25.33
9. Connecticut -- $25.40
8. Maryland -- $27.52
7. Washington -- $27.78
6. New Jersey -- $28.86
5. New York -- $30.76
4. Washington, DC -- $32.02
3. Massachusetts -- $33.81
2. California -- $34.69
1. Hawaii -- $36.82

https://www.thrillist.com/news/nation/hourly-wages-to-afford-two-bedroom-rent-mapped (https://www.thrillist.com/news/nation/hourly-wages-to-afford-two-bedroom-rent-mapped)

You are not suppose to rent a house on min wage
You are to get a good worth ethic

[ducks]

That think boutons posted is not true
I know someone renting a 4 bedroom house for 1100
He works makes 14 an hour in az says 2 bedroom 19.54 an hour

[Millennial_Messiah]

You are not suppose to rent a house on min wage
You are to get a good worth ethic

Agreed. Why use "2 bedroom HOME" as your example when there's a such a thing in existence as apartments?

[ducks]

Tlaib calls for $20-an-hour minimum wage: 'I can't allow people to be living off tips'

[CosmicCowboy]

I wish the senate had the balls to flip back a $12 minimum wage and see if the House had the balls to vote it down.

[CosmicCowboy]

In Texas we are already there. Nobody is working for 7.25 unless they are illegal getting victimized by a local hispanic.

[Winehole23]

In Texas we are already there. Nobody is working for 7.25 unless they are illegal getting victimized by a local hispanic.More PFA from CC: "the minimum wage is fit only for greedy, inferior Mexicans"


From 2016 to 2017, the portion of hourly paid workers in Texas who earned at or below the federal minimum wage declined from 3.9 to 3.1 percent. The percentage of workers earning exactly the federal minimum wage decreased from 1.6 percent to 1.2 percent, while the percentage earning less than the minimum wage fell from 2.3 percent to 1.9 percent.

Of the 196,000 workers earning the prevailing federal minimum wage or less in Texas in 2017, 111,000, or 56.6 percent, were women. These women represented 3.7 percent of all women paid hourly rates in the state. The 85,000 male Texas workers earning the prevailing minimum wage or less accounted for 43.4 percent of all minimum wage workers in the state; they made up 2.6 percent of all men who were paid hourly rates. (See table 2.)

In 2017, Texas’s 3.1-percent proportion of hourly paid workers earning at or below the federal minimum wage ranked 12th highest among the 50 states and the District of Columbia, tying with both Oklahoma and Pennsylvania.https://www.bls.gov/regions/southwest/news-release/minimumwageworkers_texas.htm

[boutons_deux]

Minimum Wage Workers in Texas – 2017

Of the nearly 6.3 million workers paid hourly rates in Texas in 2017,

78,000 earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour,

while 118,000 earned less,

https://www.bls.gov/regions/southwest/news-release/minimumwageworkers_texas.htm (https://www.bls.gov/regions/southwest/news-release/minimumwageworkers_texas.htm)

... then add horrible wage theft

National estimate is that employers steal about $50B / year in wage theft

[Millennial_Messiah]

Tlaib calls for $20-an-hour minimum wage: 'I can't allow people to be living off tips'

$20 an hour in... broke ass fucking DETROIT? :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

More PFA from CC: "the minimum wage is fit only for greedy, inferior Mexicans"

https://www.bls.gov/regions/southwest/news-release/minimumwageworkers_texas.htm

Bullshit. The biggest abusers of illegal aliens from mexico are the local Mexican bosses. Construction crews, tree trimmers, landscapers, etc.

[Winehole23]

Bullshit. The biggest abusers of illegal aliens from mexico are the local Mexican bosses. Construction crews, tree trimmers, landscapers, etc.I wasn't aware construction companies were primarily Hispanic owned and operated in TX.

I won't hold my breath waiting for you to support your PFA take, you can't.

[Chucho]

Bullshit. The biggest abusers of illegal aliens from mexico are the local Mexican bosses. Construction crews, tree trimmers, landscapers, etc.

You need links, otherwise it's just crude speculation per ST Tropes.

[Winehole23]

You need links, otherwise it's just crude speculation per ST Tropes.White guilt.

CC needs a brown face to blame for low wages and exploitative conditions of employment.

[Chucho]

White guilt.

CC needs a brown face to blame for low wages and exploitative conditions of employment.


It's two people doing illegal things entering into an at-will agreement to do illegal things together. How exploitative is that? (Basing this on whitey hiring illegal brown vatos, obv.)

[Winehole23]

It's two people doing illegal things entering into an at-will agreement to do illegal things together. How exploitative is that? (Basing this on whitey hiring illegal brown vatos, obv.)There's a power differential, but yeah there's at least two parties in any employment situation, both usually willing.

[Chucho]

There's a power differential, but yeah there's at least two parties in any employment situation, both usually willing.


With power comes a greater sense of responsibility to do what is right is what I'm hearing here. Is that correct?

[Will Hunting]

It's two people doing illegal things entering into an at-will agreement to do illegal things together. How exploitative is that? (Basing this on whitey hiring illegal brown vatos, obv.)
Agreed completely, and it’s worth noting that Trump only wants to punish one side of this illegal agreement when the other side is the one that’s actually benefiting from the cheap, illegal labor.

[baseline bum]

Agreed completely, and it’s worth noting that Trump only wants to punish one side of this illegal agreement when the other side is the one that’s actually benefiting from the cheap, illegal labor.

Why would Trump punish himself for hiring mojados?

[Winehole23]

With power comes a greater sense of responsibility to do what is right is what I'm hearing here. Is that correct?Not sure I would characterize it that way, no.

The employer who can get away with offering minimum/sub-minimum pay and abusive working conditions has more leverage than the applicants.

If he didn't, there would be a dearth of applicants.

[CosmicCowboy]

White guilt.

CC needs a brown face to blame for low wages and exploitative conditions of employment.

Stating an easily observed fact doesn't make me a racist. The only businesses paying less than minimum wage are exploiting illegals in underground businesses. In Texas, any legal citizen that wants to work can find a job making more than minimum wage.

[Winehole23]

Nice goalpost move, upstream your genneralization was about the minimum wage.

Just keep dodging and if that doesn't work, assume your priors.

Derplike.

[CosmicCowboy]

Nice goalpost move, upstream your genneralization was about the minimum wage.

Just keep dodging and if that doesn't work, assume your priors.

Derplike.

I dodged nothing. You have just turned into a sourpuss,

[ElNono]

Bullshit. The biggest abusers of illegal aliens from mexico are the local Mexican bosses. Construction crews, tree trimmers, landscapers, etc.

This is such bullshit CC. At least in Jersey, the boss is always the white guy with the big truck that happens to speak English. I mean, I get it, he’s trying to make a living, nothing wrong about that.

[ElNono]

And FWIW, all those guys charge at least $10/hour, well beyond the federal minimum. Yet, the guy stops by the train station and picks up the daily laborers for the day.

[ElNono]

The famed ‘gig economy’

[CosmicCowboy]

https://www.expressnews.com/business/local/article/The-worst-we-ve-ever-seen-San-Antonio-14117030.php

[boutons_deux]

https://www.expressnews.com/business/local/article/The-worst-we-ve-ever-seen-San-Antonio-14117030.php

what's your point?

[CosmicCowboy]

what's your point?

That any citizen that wants to work can get a job in San Antonio making more than minimum wage. HEB, Target, Walmart, fast food joints, hotels, etc. are all paying $10+. Even a freak like you could get a job.

[boutons_deux]

but those places won't raise wages to overcome a shortage of people willing to do shitty work for poverty wages, which is what $20K / year is.

[CosmicCowboy]

but those places won't raise wages to overcome a shortage of people willing to shitty work for poverty wages, which is what $20K / year is.

They will and they have. Do you have a reading disability?

[AaronY]

I wish the senate had the balls to flip back a $12 minimum wage and see if the House had the balls to vote it down.

$12 would be good. Even as a dem I don't like $15 for small businesses but I do like it for bigger ones especially huge national chains

[boutons_deux]

$12 would be good. Even as a dem I don't like $15 for small businesses but I do like it for bigger ones especially huge national chains

$15 or $20 /hour would have to be done intelligently, of which of course ham-handed Congress is not capable.

Percentage of minimum wage employees as well as regional CoL factors should be included, but they won't be.

[boutons_deux]

They will and they have. Do you have a reading disability?

if they have and will, why are so many NOT taking the poverty wage bait?

[CosmicCowboy]

if they have and will, why are so many NOT taking the poverty wage bait?

They don't take a $14 an hour job where they have to work because they don't really want a job.

[boutons_deux]

They don't take a $14 an hour job where they have to work because they don't really want a job.

I defer to your facts, since you obviously know so many of these lazy sumbitches, ALL of them are lazy sumbitches, right?

[CosmicCowboy]

I defer to your facts, since you obviously know so many of these lazy sumbitches, ALL of them are lazy sumbitches, right?

You would know.

[ducks]

if they have and will, why are so many NOT taking the poverty wage bait?

They would rather stay on welfare dumbass

[RandomGuy]

Math test:

10,000,000 single mothers with 2.5 jobs each @ approximately minimum wage.

Min wage gets raised to $12/hr and each of those women lose one of those jobs. Millions of jobs lost.

What effect does this have on the unemployment rate?

[AaronY]

Math test:

10,000,000 single mothers with 2.5 jobs each @ approximately minimum wage.

Min wage gets raised to $12/hr and each of those women lose one of those jobs. Millions of jobs lost.

What effect does this have on the unemployment rate?
AOC is the only one who has proven she does not know the answer to this one so not sure how you are using it to make Rs look bad lol

[RandomGuy]

AOC is the only one who has proven she does not know the answer to this one so not sure how you are using it to make Rs look bad lol

Buying into the "AOC is dumb" propaganda.

She has a degree in economics, and you are gullible for buying into the propaganda without bothering to independently or sufficiently verify for yourself.

I can't fix your lazy thinking for you, sorry.

[dabom6]

Bullshit. The biggest abusers of illegal aliens from mexico are the local Mexican bosses. Construction crews, tree trimmers, landscapers, etc.

White Republican business owners. :lmao :lmao

[RandomGuy]

$12 would be good. Even as a dem I don't like $15 for small businesses but I do like it for bigger ones especially huge national chains

Everybody having more money will simply mean more economic activity.


A $15 federal minimum wage won’t cost Americans jobs, new study says
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/2/20678821/15-federal-minimum-wage-increase-study


More importantly, doubling the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2024 would also likely boost incomes for the poorest households in rural counties, according to a white paper released Tuesday by economists Anna Godoey and Michael Reich at the University of California Berkeley. They found no evidence that such a large wage hike would lead to significant job losses or fewer work opportunities — something big business groups often warn about.

The apocalypse warned by conservatives never really quite materializes, especially when one starts examining the evidence.

D
ozens of Democratic-held cities and states have increased the minimum wage floor over the years, well above the current federal minimum of $7.25 an hour. Recent research suggests the worst-feared consequences of minimum wage hikes did not come to pass: Employment did not decrease in places where wages went up, and there was actually a residually positive effect on wages for other lower-income workers.

There are now two things most mainstream economists agree on. First, that raising the minimum wage increases the average income of low-wage workers, lifting many out of poverty (depending on how big the raise is). Second, that raising the minimum wage likely causes some job losses.

However, disagreement often revolves around how extreme the job cuts would be. Godoey and Reich’s research provides more evidence that the impact on jobs is insignificant.

[RandomGuy]

Math test:

10,000,000 single mothers with 2.5 jobs each @ approximately minimum wage.

Min wage gets raised to $12/hr and each of those women lose one of those jobs. Millions of jobs lost.

What effect does this have on the unemployment rate?


AOC is the only one who has proven she does not know the answer to this one so not sure how you are using it to make Rs look bad lol

Doesn't really answer my question.

If the number of jobs falls, and is simply offset by people with more than one job not having to work more than one job... there is no effect on the unemployment rate.

You should ask yourself though, why you were unable to answer an honest, fair question.

[CosmicCowboy]

Doesn't really answer my question.

If the number of jobs falls, and is simply offset by people with more than one job not having to work more than one job... there is no effect on the unemployment rate.

You should ask yourself though, why you were unable to answer an honest, fair question.

You should ask yourself an honest question.

Who the hell is working for $7.25 an hour?

[AaronY]

You should ask yourself an honest question.

Who the hell is working for $7.25 an hour?
He's also repeating the claim that more and more people are working multiple jobs which is at the very least disputed and possibly just flat out wrong:

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/4-point-9-percent-of-workers-held-more-than-one-job-at-the-same-time-in-2017.htm?view_full

[RandomGuy]

You should ask yourself an honest question.

Who the hell is working for $7.25 an hour?

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2017/home.htm

Now, how does the minimum wage affect people who are earning slightly above or marginally above it? i.e. how much will raising the minimum wage lift other wage earners, as employers compete for labor?

[SnakeBoy]

This is such bullshit CC. At least in Jersey, the boss is always the white guy with the big truck that happens to speak English. I mean, I get it, he’s trying to make a living, nothing wrong about that.

It's probably the same in the San Antonio area.

[RandomGuy]

He's also repeating the claim that more and more people are working multiple jobs which is at the very least disputed and possibly just flat out wrong:

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/4-point-9-percent-of-workers-held-more-than-one-job-at-the-same-time-in-2017.htm?view_full

I did not say "more and more". I pulled an arbitrary number out of my hat to make a point. But since you want to go there, let's use real numbers.


5.3% of women work more than one job, per your link. Women tend to overwhelmingly be response for the care of children, so tuck that bit in your cap for later.

So what is 5.3% times 74.6 million women?
https://blog.dol.gov/2017/03/01/12-stats-about-working-women

3,953,800 women work two jobs or more, supporting a likely equivalent number of children.

If each of those women receive double what they are earning now, and each lose one of those jobs, what effect will it have on the unemployment rate?

The economic data show that if people make more money some of them will withdraw from jobs or the laborforce, and do other things that benefit them in a way that they find more important, such as education, or child-rearing.

Losing tons of marginal jobs doesn't really mean much to the overall economy if everybody is making more money.

That is what the real data shows from the article I linked. The doom and gloom about raising minimum wages is a "just so" boogeyman story, with very scant evidence to support it.

[SnakeBoy]

He's also repeating the claim that more and more people are working multiple jobs which is at the very least disputed and possibly just flat out wrong:

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/4-point-9-percent-of-workers-held-more-than-one-job-at-the-same-time-in-2017.htm?view_full

Idk about that. I heard people working multiple jobs is why the unemployment rate is low.

[AaronY]

Idk about that. I heard people working multiple jobs is why the unemployment rate is low.

Don't worry we got plans to help them peoples out..get that unemployment rate up to a healthy 15-20%. People won't have to work as much that way which is good. Can sit around talking how great it is that they get to live in a Socialist Utopia thanks to the guys in Twitter with the roses next to their names

[TheGreatYacht]

You should ask yourself an honest question.

Who the hell is working for $7.25 an hour?

No but we got people that are underpaid who are working for $8.50-$10 hour. Just go to job postings on Craigslist and Indeed and you will see for yourself.

[TheGreatYacht]

I don't want people to make more money. I want to see others keep working multiple jobs like slaves :cry

[boutons_deux]

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2017/home.htm

Now, how does the minimum wage affect people who are earning slightly above or marginally above it? i.e. how much will raising the minimum wage lift other wage earners, as employers compete for labor?

.. why Fed min wage should be $20 or $25, adjusted for regional CoL and indexed to inflation.

so EVERYBODY gets a big push in hourly wages, which have been suppressed for 45 years by the VRWC War on Employees.

Also, change the threshold for people screwed out of overtime, by the Repugs, of course.

[boutons_deux]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/26gsiCIKW7ANEmxKE/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611dde4c30500fce15ea07f38ec8fed d33f28097788&rid=giphy.gif

[boutons_deux]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9927824#post9927824)
You should ask yourself an honest question.

Who the hell is working for $7.25 an hour?

Millions of workers are paid less than the ‘average’ minimum wage
https://www.epi.org/blog/millions-of-workers-are-paid-less-than-the-average-minimum-wage/ (https://www.epi.org/blog/millions-of-workers-are-paid-less-than-the-average-minimum-wage/)

[CosmicCowboy]

Millions of workers are paid less than the ‘average’ minimum wage
https://www.epi.org/blog/millions-of-workers-are-paid-less-than-the-average-minimum-wage/ (https://www.epi.org/blog/millions-of-workers-are-paid-less-than-the-average-minimum-wage/)

In other words, nobody makes $7.25 hr. Thanks for proving my point.

[TheGreatYacht]

In other words, nobody makes $7.25 hr. Thanks for proving my point.

But implementing a $15 minimum wage will force employers to pay those that are underpaid at $8.50-$10 hour to pay them $15/hr. That's the end goal. "Nobody makes $7.25" is meaningless to the discussion.

[boutons_deux]

In other words, nobody makes $7.25 hr. Thanks for proving my point.

your employees: ", in Texas, a state stuck at the federal minimum wage, 2.7 percent of workers reported earning less than $7.50 per hour last year. "

[koriwhat]

i'll never advocate for retards at fast food drive-thru's to get anything more than min wage and at our current wage of $7.25/hr. those retards deserve less tbh.

[RandomGuy]

In other words, nobody makes $7.25 hr. Thanks for proving my point.

Factually wrong. Gave you the link already.

[TheGreatYacht]

i'll never advocate for retards at fast food drive-thru's to get anything more than min wage and at our current wage of $7.25/hr. those retards deserve less tbh.

If they work full time, 40 hours a week those humble and hardworking "retards" have as much of a right to make a living wage. Don't you see all those "Now Hiring" signs by fast food restaurants? A $15 minimum wage will take care of that.

[koriwhat]

If they work full time, 40 hours a week those humble and hardworking "retards" have as much of a right to make a living wage. Don't you see all those "Now Hiring" signs by fast food restaurants? A $15 minimum wage will take care of that.

nope, they'll still be retards who fuck up orders or make people repeat orders and still fuck them up. those retards deserve no more than $1.15/hr.

[boutons_deux]

If they work full time, 40 hours a week those humble and hardworking "retards" have as much of a right to make a living wage. Don't you see all those "Now Hiring" signs by fast food restaurants? A $15 minimum wage will take care of that.

it's amazing how nearly every damn fast food shithole has "hiring" signs out nearly all time.

The churn is even worse than rideshare drivers. Although one In'n'Out guy told me he took him 3 interviews to get hired, and he was making more per hour than rideshare drivers' average without the cost and risk of running his own car.

[TheGreatYacht]

it's amazing how nearly every damn fast food shithole has "hiring" signs out nearly all time.

The churn is even worse than rideshare drivers. Although one In'n'Out guy told me he took him 3 interviews to get hired, and he was making more per hour than rideshare drivers' average without the cost and risk of running his own car.

Uber and delivery drivers that have to use their own car don't realize how much they are being ripped off.

[koriwhat]

it's amazing how nearly every damn fast food shithole has "hiring" signs out nearly all time.

that's because they're mainly for high schoolers and not career arrested development retards tbh. the turn over rate is expected with high schoolers.

[RandomGuy]

Uber and delivery drivers that have to use their own car don't realize how much they are being ripped off.

Pretty much.

[TheGreatYacht]

that's because they're mainly for high schoolers and not career arrested development retards tbh. the turn over rate is expected with high schoolers.

:lol

[boutons_deux]

'Every little bit helps':

Minimum wage to rise in 24 states

as a movement toward $15 an hour builds

More broadly, 24 states and 48 cities and counties will raise their minimum wages in 2020 – a record 72 jurisdictions,

Colorado lawmakers repealed the state’s wage preemption law last May ... Similar repeal efforts are underway in 12 other states,

Kentucky, Mississippi, Oklahoma and

SHITHOLE Texas, all of whose pay floors are mired at $7.25.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/12/23/minimum-wage-hike-2020-pay-floor-rise-21-states-jan-1/2709875001/

[boutons_deux]

Fresh Calls to #RaiseTheWage After Study Shows $1 Increase Could Prevent Thousands of Suicides

The House-approved Raise the Wage Act

is among

hundreds of (House Dem) bills sitting on the desk of Republican Senate Majority Leader / Grim Reaper Mitch McConnell

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/09/fresh-calls-raisethewage-after-study-shows-1-increase-could-prevent-thousands?cd-origin=rss

these suicides due from low wages are Trash's cult mob, people who,

like Germans in the 1920s/30s,

see that capitalism and democracy hasn't worked for them,

so they vote for a lawless, authoritarian pathological LIAR and his bullshit promises

of bettering their lives by preventing non-whites, non-males, non-straights, immigrants

from causing of the suicide group's plight.

[boutons_deux]

The Number One Jobs Issue in 2020:

No Qualified Job Applicants to be Found

With a total of 33% of all business owners reporting that they had job openings which they could not fill,

there was a sharper 61% of independent businesses which had job openings in construction.

a historically high 29% of owners reported that they have raised compensation over the last three months, and

a net of 24% of owners plan to raise compensation in the coming months.

Another 7% of independent business owners cited the all-in cost of labor as their top problem.

https://247wallst.com/jobs/2020/01/09/the-number-one-jobs-issue-in-2020-no-qualified-job-applicants-to-be-found/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FRyNm+%2824%2F7+Wall +St.%29 (https://247wallst.com/jobs/2020/01/09/the-number-one-jobs-issue-in-2020-no-qualified-job-applicants-to-be-found/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FRyNm+%2824%2F7+Wall +St.%29)