Marco Belinelli plus someone else possibly going to be traded

[MoSpur02]

From my source. Not sure who the other player(s) is /are, but the Spurs might not be done this off season. Spurs looking to get a forward who can shoot from beyond the arc.

[Leetonidas]

Nice

[NASpurs]

Someone else = Patty Mills

prayingdog.jpg

[Mugen]

Probably Metu. But please god let it happen.

[Spurs9]

Hopefully Paddy

[Dennis the Menace]

Murray, White, Lonnie better be untouchable.

[dubross]

Who is the forward that we are looking at?

[look_at_g_shred]

Is it ironic that they just traded one? lol

[NASpurs]

Lord Convington?

[r0drig0lac]

Murray, White, Lonnie better be untouchable.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Is OP bonafide?

[widowmaker]

Hopefully bellineli mills and metu.

[Mugen]

Roster is pretty much set, I'd be surprised if they actually trade him for a viable rotation player instead of a salary dump...

[RC_Drunkford]

Another forward? I assume that guy would be 4th in the rotation behind Morris, Gay and Carroll? I don't have a problem with Beli getting traded, but make sure the other player shipped out is Metu {or Mills, one can dream}. A 3rd Center would make way more sense, especially with the Lakers having AD, Boogie, McGee and LA being 34

Gotta say I love that we are aggressive this offseason

[Ron Swanson]

From my source. Not sure who the other player(s) is /are, but the Spurs might not be done this off season. Spurs looking to get a forward who can shoot from beyond the arc.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ExaltedAncientAustralianfurseal-size_restricted.gif

[Mugen]

I'm guessing Milwaukee....:lol

[Ron Swanson]

Is OP bonafide?

His source knew the Kawhi trade to Toronto.

[Joseph Kony]

Is OP bonafide?

i remember him having a few inside posts awhile back that appeared to be correct but the search feature is disabled so cant look em up.

i would trust OP tho, not really one to just throw shit at the all imo. if true this is good news, means Pop is going to give Lonnie minutes next year

[00945584]

my guess is Nemanja Bjelica

[Joseph Kony]

Another forward? I assume that guy would be 4th in the rotation behind Morris, Gay and Carroll? I don't have a problem with Beli getting traded, but make sure the other player shipped out is Metu {or Mills, one can dream}. A 3rd Center would make way more sense, especially with the Lakers having AD, Boogie, McGee and LA being 34

Gotta say I love that we are aggressive this offseason

a plethora of guys who can play the 3-4 is a good problem to have tbh :tu

[GusT15]

https://media.giphy.com/media/4NnTap3gOhhlik1YEw/giphy.gif

[dubross]

I'm guessing Milwaukee....:lol

Hope it’s not İlyasova but hey it clears up the log jam at the wings

[Genovaswitness]

can't complain. we haven't had a serviceable guard rotation since 2014. we should've picked cojo over mills

[DAF86]

From my source. Not sure who the other player(s) is /are, but the Spurs might not be done this off season. Spurs looking to get a forward who can shoot from beyond the arc.

Gee, if only we had a guy like that.

[Gino20]

Covington?

[tim_duncan_fan]

His source knew the Kawhi trade to Toronto.


i remember him having a few inside posts awhile back that appeared to be correct but the search feature is disabled so cant look em up.

i would trust OP tho, not really one to just throw shit at the all imo. if true this is good news, means Pop is going to give Lonnie minutes next year

Dope!

I hope this materializes. Get rid of some defenseless guards and get some length, hopefully.

[offset formation]

Is OP bonafide?

Momma says he's bona-fide.

Yes. He is.

[Leetonidas]

Convington would be an ideal get but hard to believe Minnesota is going to give him up for Marco and a pick

[Russ]

Is OP bonafide?

I actually think he is . . .

[K...]

is it possible peotle gets traded? If the spurs are getting another big they may ship out one. Then maybe it's milutiov also

[look_at_g_shred]

Danilo?

[ironman2886]

https://www.nba.com/media/hoop/Bonner20110303b.jpg

[r0drig0lac]

Covington?

this would be so fantastic that I believe it to be impossible.

[Mr. Body]

I mean, Marco already is a forward who shoots the three.

[Seventyniner]

Convington would be an ideal get but hard to believe Minnesota is going to give him up for Marco and a pick

Agree. Too bad that Beli + Mills isn't enough salary to take back Covington + Dieng.

[Leetonidas]

I mean, Marco already is a forward who shoots the three.

He's not really a forward he's a SG and the worst defensive player on a roster that includes patty mills

[Mugen]

I'm gonna crack up if the other play is Derozan....

Then I'll cry if it's for Russ....:lol

[FkLA]

Mo, is it imminent? Should I stay up late for this? :lol

[Leetonidas]

Mo, is it imminent? Should I stay up late for this? :lol

Seriously. I can be up for max 2 hours :lol

[Seventyniner]

This makes it seem that DDR will be playing a lot of 2. Gay, Morris, and Carroll all play combo forward iirc, adding another forward means that this group will get a fair number of minutes at the 3.

The problem there is that DDR at the 2 means there are only 66 minutes or so for the rest of the guards.

[Mr. Body]

He's not really a forward he's a SG and the worst defensive player on a roster that includes patty mills

He's a SF/SG. Defense isn't what the OP mentioned. I doubt this rumor. What the Spurs need is another mobile shotblocker.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Marco, patty and derozan for covington

[Mugen]

This makes it seem that DDR will be playing a lot of 2. Gay, Morris, and Carroll all play combo forward iirc, adding another forward means that this group will get a fair number of minutes at the 3.

The problem there is that DDR at the 2 means there are only 66 minutes or so for the rest of the guards.

Demar is a 3 with this team tbh. The Spurs are loaded at the guard spots with DJ, White, Lonnie, Forbes, and Fatty.

[FkLA]

Is OP bonafide?

Seems legit. I'm sure there's others, but him and timvp are really the only guys I trust as more than just tea leaf readers.

[Leetonidas]

He's a SF/SG. Defense isn't what the OP mentioned. I doubt this rumor. What the Spurs need is another mobile shotblocker.

Eubanks? He's look solid.

[Seventyniner]

Marco, patty and derozan for covington

Too much salary imbalance. The Wolves would want to include Wiggins, and that would completely fuck the 2021 cap space plan.

[Ron Swanson]

Marco, patty and derozan for covington

When the hell did Covington get a supermax?

[apalisoc_9]

They can trade Metu, Belli, 2nd Round Pick, and future first round pick.

Covington is in the trading block because hes got a 4 year comtract and is just coming off a major injury.

Its a risky trade, but the spurs have to be willing to make risk.

If Covington is at least 85% of what he was, hes going to start and Carroll would be a very rich back up

[ZeusWillJudge]

Another forward? I assume that guy would be 4th in the rotation behind Morris, Gay and Carroll? I don't have a problem with Beli getting traded, but make sure the other player shipped out is Metu {or Mills, one can dream}. A 3rd Center would make way more sense, especially with the Lakers having AD, Boogie, McGee and LA being 34

Gotta say I love that we are aggressive this offseason


Now you're just being a tease.

I was already liking the roster. If this pans out and PATFO converts Belli into another upgrade, this team looks pretty damn good.

I don't see how they could trade a one dimensional player like Belli straight up, and get another player who shoots the 3 as well as him, but can do other things. So the idea of trading someone else with him makes sense.

[Mr. Body]

Eubanks? He's look solid.

He's my platoon big. Only reason for a trade at this point is to lessen the logjam of guards and pull a decent big man prospect if possible. But after the injuries last year, I'm wary of dumping Mills/Beli/Forbes just yet.

[NASpurs]

I'm gonna crack up if the other play is Derozan....

Then I'll cry if it's for Russ....:lol

:lol fuck man

[DPG21920]

Seems legit. I'm sure there's others, but him and timvp are really the only guys I trust as more than just tea leaf readers.

Eric does a good job as well as the two you named..

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Too much salary imbalance. The Wolves would want to include Wiggins, and that would completely fuck the 2021 cap space plan.


When the hell did Covington get a supermax?

I know it doesn't add up, I'm just thinking of what I want dumped off this team :lol

[apalisoc_9]

They really need to trade Mills though. There's a clear Jam in the PG position with white and murray.

[Dennis the Menace]

They really need to trade Mills though. There's a clear Jam in the PG position with white and murray.

Good thing is White Murray can both be combo guards

[Mr. Body]

They really need to trade Mills though. There's a clear Jam in the PG position with white and murray.

I don't see it. Murray isn't a PG I can trust at this point. I don't think they trade Mills at this point until seeing if DJM can run an offense.

[ducks]

Mills needs to go
Hit the road jack

[ducks]

I trust Murray over mills in any day that ends in y

[ace3g]

Hopefully the forward is more suited to guard 1,2, and 3s -- we have more than enough options to guard 3 and 4s.

[Big Empty]

Marc Gasol. DeRozan back to Toronto

[Dennis the Menace]

Marco, Mills, Forbes, Metu, or any stashes we have should be the only people on the table

[Seventyniner]

I know it doesn't add up, I'm just thinking of what I want dumped off this team :lol

Fair enough.

[Dennis the Menace]

Maybe this is part of 3 team trade; we getting scraps from okc, Miami, or Minnesota?

[FkLA]

Marc Gasol. DeRozan back to Toronto

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c9732ec3a41a0851fe55e05fefd2ab3f/tenor.gif?itemid=4661700

[ZeusWillJudge]

I looked the other day - I think Mills + Belli would just about match salaries for Marvin Williams.

[apalisoc_9]

They also need to be willing to trade forbes tbh.

[Degoat]

Why are we believing this lol?

[mookie2001]

Lord Convington?

rack him.

[Dennis the Menace]

Waiting for Manu4Tres, EricB, Timvp to chime in...

[Down Under]

They can trade Metu, Belli, 2nd Round Pick, and future first round pick.

Covington is in the trading block because hes got a 4 year comtract and is just coming off a major injury.

Its a risky trade, but the spurs have to be willing to make risk.

If Covington is at least 85% of what he was, hes going to start and Carroll would be a very rich back up
I'd give up essentially a 1st & 2nd for Covington. He was in the DPOY conversation before he got hurt last year. Seems like we'd have hit a logjam of forwards though if DD has to play SF because of the stacked guard rotation?

[timtonymanu]

Waiting for Manu4Tres, EricB, Timvp to chime in...

Drink draino. You’re not gonna find a better 3 point shooter with no defense and lockerroom culture. People act like Beli is Romain Sato. (Heavy breathing)

[Mugen]

:lol It's not Covington...I'd be surprised if it's for anybody of consequence unless Mills/Forbes are also included tbh....

[timtonymanu]

Lol people acting like OP isn’t legit. They’ve always had sources. Hopefully Beli is gone, I disliked bringing him back in the first place and unlike some posters like Mr.Body, I don’t see his value for the culture when the team is already paying Mills a lot to do the same role.

A straight up salary dump for picks would be just fine. Just get Beli off the team.

[Leetonidas]

Drink draino. You’re not gonna find a better 3 point shooter with no defense and lockerroom culture. People act like Beli is Romain Sato. (Heavy breathing)

:lmao

[Mugen]

Lol people acting like OP isn’t legit. They’ve always had sources. Hopefully Beli is gone, I disliked bringing him back in the first place and unlike some posters like Mr.Body, I don’t see his value for the culture when the team is already paying Mills a lot to do the same role.

A straight up salary dump for picks would be just fine. Just get Beli off the team.

This. Getting rid of Beli is Pau dump 2.0. Addition by subtraction. I don't really care who, if anybody, they get back as long is Marco is shipped out.

[FkLA]

I'd give up essentially a 1st & 2nd for Covington. He was in the DPOY conversation before he got hurt last year. Seems like we'd have hit a logjam of forwards though if DD has to play SF because of the stacked guard rotation?

That's a good problem to have with the league being run by SFs, tbh.

Imagine going from Belli, Cunningham, and Pondexter to Morris, Carroll, Covington. :wow

[DPG21920]

My guess is Marco + Forbes (maybe a pick) for someone like Covington.

[spurraider21]

From my source. Not sure who the other player(s) is /are, but the Spurs might not be done this off season. Spurs looking to get a forward who can shoot from beyond the arc.


Gee, if only we had a guy like that.
getting big dick bertans back? :lol

[DPG21920]

Why are we believing this lol?


Because this person is credible and others (in private) I’ve heard say something similar

[Twisted_Dawg]

Is OP bonafide?

He has his technique down and everything. He don't be bullshitting.

[Gordy58]

Think I know who OP is on twitter lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

Waiting for Manu4Tres, EricB, Timvp to chime in...


TIMVP had an article about how the Spurs signed Morris written, illustrated, and proofed not long after the announcement. I wondered if he had it finished, and waiting for the deal to go public. If someone is sharing info, they'd probably quit if he started leaking.

[Keepin' it real]

Trade White while his value is high.

[spurraider21]

any coincidence that this rumor comes in after lonnie's performance? :lol

[slick'81]

Drink draino. You’re not gonna find a better 3 point shooter with no defense and lockerroom culture. People act like Beli is Romain Sato. (Heavy breathing)


:lmao Heart attack waiting to happen

[TimDunkem]

Trade White while his value is high.

The fuck?

[slick'81]

Lets be real we all know patty mills isnt going anywhere but belli is beyond pointless at this juncture

[DPG21920]

I do find it hard to believe Mills will be moved; I think it’s Forbes because he adds value to a deal with Beli (in lieu of a pick). Spurs still have plenty of guards and Mills can play Forbes minutes easily (even though of course we’d all rather have Forbes than Mills).

We shall see. PHI has a sh*t ton of wings too, CHA needs to do right by their vets and a few other teams could use guards and shooters.

[FkLA]

Trade White while his value is high.

Shut up you dumb faggot.

[NASpurs]

Drink draino. You’re not gonna find a better 3 point shooter with no defense and lockerroom culture. People act like Beli is Romain Sato. (Heavy breathing)

:lol

[offset formation]

Why are we believing this lol?

Mo is legit. Never says stuff just to say stuff.

I have no doubt his source with the team did indeed get a whiff of some trade talk, whether it pans out or not.

And not to mention that it simply makes sense if they want to utilize Walker for the minutes he's earning in Vegas. You cannot keep that kind of talent potential on the bench as a third string. Overload at the Guard position and they need to open up a spot and shift it to the Forward spot

[DPG21920]

any coincidence that this rumor comes in after lonnie's performance? :lol


Haha - funny coincidence but I did hear this for a little while before this SL

[KDKSpurs24]

Why are we believing this lol?
Because OP is very credible and seems to have legit sources.

[outmap]

My guess is Beli and Metu for Bjelica.
(Dreaming they include Mills)

[tesseractive]

Trade White while his value is high.
I don't hate the idea of trading White to a team that needs a starting point guard if we can get back a young player of equal caliber at a position of greater need. Dumping Beli in the deal would be a nice bonus.

[Marcus Bryant]

Watch it be Doug McDermott.

[poopbox]

I don't really know why this would be news. With Lonnie looking Kryptonian in the summer league and Dejounte back at least 1 of mills, forbes, marco has to go...really two need to go...and obvious two that need to go are patty and maco since they are one dimension shooters who are turnstiles on defense...

Neither shot it well toward the end of the season so I don't even view them as reliable 3 point shooters when it matters...

I don't even care who we get for them just get 2 of those 3 off the team...

[Gordy58]

Covington would be amazing, although I feel like we’d have to at least give up a first to do it. I wouldn’t be against it though because we might not even how many roster spots open next year.
Maybe Marco, Bryn, Mezie, and 2020 first for RoCo? I just down see why the wolves would agree to it. Don’t think they’ll make the playoffs so maybe they’d be interested in assets?

[r0drig0lac]

and obvious two that need to go are patty and maco since they are one dimension shooters who are turnstiles on defense...

Neither shot it well toward the end of the season so I don't even view them as reliable 3 point shooters when it matters...

I don't even care who we get for them just get 2 of those 3 off the team...

[DPG21920]

Also, I do not think this will be a “dump”. SA is trying to win now while not trading the youth (key youth that is). Look at the moves they have made. Part of this is opening up minutes, but they will be getting a player back IMO if they do a trade (hence the “other player” part). They are looking to make a real push but also be responsible (not giving up too many picks and/or any of Lonnie, Murray, White, Luka, Keldon). Bertans and Forbes were the only youth that could even be considered unless it was something really unlikely springing up (like Westbrook or Beal, etc..).

They are going to push as hard as they can, within these parameters, for the next two years. If the wheels start to fall off before then, they will look to trade DeRozan and/or LMA for some assets if they have to to accelerate the rebuild.

[DesignatedT]

I would do Marco Forbes and a first for Covington if the FO feels good about him. He’s got a friendly contract and is a solid player.

Murray White Mills
DeRozan Walker Witherspoon
Covington Carroll Johnson
Morris Gay Samanic
Aldridge Poeltl Eubanks/Metu

[YoungbuckMurray]

Mills + belli + 1st +2nd for Danilo gallinari?

[DesignatedT]

Also, trying to judge what the FO plans on doing with Poeltl. Isn’t he a restricted FA after this upcoming season? Could end up commanding a lot of $.

[ironman2886]

I would do Marco Forbes and a first for Covington if the FA feels good about him. He’s got a friend,y contract and is a solid player.

Murray White Mills
DeRozan Walker Witherspoon
Covington Carroll Johnson
Morris Gay Samanic
Aldridge Poeltl Eubanks/Metu
:eyebrows

[ElNono]

Because this person is credible and others (in private) I’ve heard say something similar

http://i.imgur.com/XvwDvJw.jpg

[Mugen]

Also, trying to judge what the FO plans on doing with Poeltl. Isn’t he a restricted FA after this upcoming season? Could end up commanding a lot of $.

I just don't see a player like Jakob commanding more than 10-12mil per in today's NBA.

[DC23]

Mills + belli + 1st +2nd for Danilo gallinari?
Injury prone and a guy who had a miracle and will likely never live up to that level of performance again? Hard pass.

[baseline bum]

It's Beli and Forbes to NOP for Ingram so we can finally get the Lakers trash RC passed on last summer para ser sincero

[spurraider21]

I just don't see a player like Jakob commanding more than 10-12mil per in today's NBA.
i mean look at what cauley-stein and kevon looney got this summer... cousins was getting no interest.

[tesseractive]

Mills + belli + 1st +2nd for Danilo gallinari?
If I'm OKC, I want way more than that for a guy who was the best player on a playoff team last year.

[DesignatedT]

I just don't see a player like Jakob commanding more than 10-12mil per in today's NBA.

I feel he’s a pretty comparable player to Steven Adams and am expecting him to have his best season yet. We saw what Adams got.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

He's not really a forward he's a SG and the worst defensive player on a roster that includes patty mills

dude next time use lube

[mo7888]

I feel he’s a pretty comparable player to Steven Adams and am expecting him to have his best season yet. We saw what Adams got.

Steven Adams couldn't get Steven Adam's money in today's market

[spurraider21]

I feel he’s a pretty comparable player to Steven Adams and am expecting him to have his best season yet. We saw what Adams got.
poodle is not nearly as imposing as adams, nor is he as known a commodity. i dont think GM's view them as equals or near it, tbh

[spurraider21]

Steven Adams couldn't get Steven Adam's money in today's market
also this

[Dennis the Menace]

Who would actually move the needle for this team and be realistic to happen for a Marco, Bryn, pick besides a Covington?

[poopbox]

I feel he’s a pretty comparable player to Steven Adams and am expecting him to have his best season yet. We saw what Adams got.

Morris probably starts at the 4 and lma at the 5...which is going to reduce poodle minutes and role...thus reducing his numbers and money...

He not going to get the minutes Adams in OKC to get that contract...and the nba has changed drastically sense Adams signed that deal...i would think OKC would be trying to move adams now anyway...

[yavozerb]

Wonder if love is available? Beli and DeRozan

[FkLA]

I feel he’s a pretty comparable player to Steven Adams and am expecting him to have his best season yet. We saw what Adams got.

Nah. I agree that he's a similar player but he doesn't really have the hype behind him that Adams has always had. Also, very few teams will touch that Adams deal now. I don't think Poetl will play more than 20-25 MPG either. I think we'll resign him to a good value deal.

[spurraider21]

Who would actually move the needle for this team and be realistic to happen for a Marco, Bryn, pick besides a Covington?
somebody floated the idea of nemanja bjelica. that could make sense too.

id be much more excited if we're dealing patty + marco than forbes + marco, though

[RD2191]

Calm down people, OP said possibly, as in probably not going to happen. :lol

[DesignatedT]

somebody floated the idea of nemanja bjelica. that could make sense too.

That would be pretty solid.

[poopbox]

People keep tossing Covington out there but if they get him that slides Derozan to the two and I don't think the Spurs want Derozan playing the two since I just don't think White is going to come off the bench...Covington also reduces either Carrolls and Gay's role so much they might as well not be on the team...Carroll way more than Gay...

If they do get Covington I would legit expect a Derozan trade somewhere down the line sooner rather than later...I think the spurs are going to start the Dejounte White back court era this year and they not going to be looking to move anyone into a position to keep that from happening...

[DPG21920]

Also, trying to judge what the FO plans on doing with Poeltl. Isn’t he a restricted FA after this upcoming season? Could end up commanding a lot of $.

I don’t know - SA should be in no rush to move him if their goal is to compete this year. He’s cheap now and knows the system. You don’t worry about that type of thing in win now environments IMO.

Plus the market for bigs that can’t shoot were not pretty this summer. Dedmon who could shoot reasonably got paid; a better player overall like Looney settled for much less. So we will see. Lack of shooting for bigs has not led to big pay days.

[TimDunkem]

^Not really, Poop.

White as the sixth man, Gay as your backup PF, and Carroll the backup SF makes your bench pretty strong.

That's a very balanced team.

[timvp]

MoSpur02 is legit. He's gotten impossible-to-get inside info right extremely early. He called Pop's three year extension a few months before anyone had it and even knew about Kawhi to the Celtics rumor in which everyone was sworn to secrecy, tbh.

I don't have any further info regarding a trade involving Belinelli but this roster is begging for a bit of thinning. Something similar to the deal with Portland back in 2002. IIRC, that one was Antonio Daniels, Charles "Spider" Smith and Amal McCaskill for Steve Kerr. A 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 deal in which the Spurs get back a useful player makes a whole lot of sense. Back then, the Spurs needed to make room for Parker's ascent and the addition of Ginobili. Now, they could see how LW4 is playing in summer league -- not to mention White and Murray needing a lot of minutes next year -- and want to make a similar deal.

[Down Under]

Nah. I agree that he's a similar player but he doesn't really have the hype behind him that Adams has always had. Also, very few teams will touch that Adams deal now. I don't think Poetl will play more than 20-25 MPG either. I think we'll resign him to a good value deal.
Hope so. Poeltl has a better offensive ceiling than Gobert IMO. He seems to have pretty good instincts in terms of timing when rolling to the rim & seems to be improving his finishing & decision making.

[DesignatedT]

In order for the Murray white derozan SL to work both Murray and white have to significantly improve from outside. Bringing White off the bench as a 6th man is definitely feasible if the spurs want derozan to play his natural position and the spurs have a better option to start at the 3. Plus, the spurs are going to be cautious with dejounte. There will be plenty of minutes for White off the bench if the spurs go that route.

[TimDunkem]

In order for the Murray white derozan SL to work both Murray and white have to significantly improve from outside. Bringing White off the bench as a 6th man is definitely feasible if the spurs want derozan to play his natural position and the spurs have a better option to start at the 3. Plus, the spurs are going to be cautious with dejounte. There will be plenty of minutes for White off the bench if the spurs go that route.

Or flip White and Murray if you have to. Either can start or come off the bench at the PG spot. I don't know what gives people the idea that it just isn't possible to bring White off the bench and play DD at the position he's best at.

[DPG21920]

Calm down people, OP said possibly, as in probably not going to happen. :lol

Two things: 1) even before the season or any rumors, everyone knew there was a big log jam at guard with Dejounte and Lonnie back in the fold. The “need” was there and still exists; especially with adding Keldon to the mix and Weatherspoon.

2) There has been noise on Beli for a while (nothing major) but now have OP and a few others all hearing similar stuff?

My bet is that it’s more likely Beli is moved than not

[MoSpur02]

I was told Marco and possibly another player to obtain a free agent. A forward free agent who has range on his jumper. Any forward power or small who can hit the three who is a FA jump out to y'all?

[FkLA]

MoSpur02 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11593) is legit. He's gotten impossible-to-get inside info right extremely early. He called Pop's three year extension a few months before anyone had it and even knew about Kawhi to the Celtics rumor in which everyone was sworn to secrecy, tbh.

I don't have any further info regarding a trade involving Belinelli but this roster is begging for a bit of thinning. Something similar to the deal with Portland back in 2002. IIRC, that one was Antonio Daniels, Charles "Spider" Smith and Amal McCaskill for Steve Kerr. A 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 deal in which the Spurs get back a useful player makes a whole lot of sense. Back then, the Spurs needed to make room for Parker's ascent and the addition of Ginobili. Now, they could see how LW4 is playing in summer league -- not to mention White and Murray needing a lot of minutes next year -- and want to make a similar deal.

Do you think there's any chance Wombat gets moved to clear that path for the younger guys? Or is he pretty much a Spur lifer, with a guaranteed role like most of us suspect?

[spurraider21]

I was told Marco and possibly another player to obtain a free agent. A forward free agent who has range on his jumper. Any forward power or small who can hit the three who is a FA jump out to y'all?
so another trade exception scenario (or S&T)? you sure this isn't stale news concerning the marcus morris signing, where instead of marco it was bertans?

i mean i woulda said mirotic but he's going to spain

[DPG21920]

Do you think there's any chance Wombat gets moved to clear that path for the younger guys? Or is he pretty much a Spur lifer, with a guaranteed role like most of us suspect?

Patty has negative value in most situations and SA is not trying to dump anyone for cap space or use real assets. I want him gone, but he’s not likely to be moved.

[DesignatedT]

Ryan Anderson lol

[mo7888]

I was told Marco and possibly another player to obtain a free agent. A forward free agent who has range on his jumper. Any forward power or small who can hit the three who is a FA jump out to y'all?

Oubre

[TimDunkem]

I was told Marco and possibly another player to obtain a free agent. A forward free agent who has range on his jumper. Any forward power or small who can hit the three who is a FA jump out to y'all?

JaMychal Green, Trey Lyles, Kelly Oubre.

[mo7888]

That rules out cojo

[look_at_g_shred]

Damn oubre is still a FA lol fuck I wanted spurs to pick him up but I thought he’d get a big pay day

[mo7888]

JaMychal Green, Trey Lyles, Kelly Oubre.

Green resigned with clips

[Ron Swanson]

Ryan Anderson lol

First person I thought of after MoSpurs last post. Shit.

[timvp]

I was told Marco and possibly another player to obtain a free agent. A forward free agent who has range on his jumper. Any forward power or small who can hit the three who is a FA jump out to y'all?

So it sounds like it'd have to be a sign-and-trade.

My first instinct was Trey Lyles but the Nuggets just rescinded their QO so it can't be a sign-and-trade for him.

Marcus Morris isn't official yet, right? Maybe it's Belinelli + something to the Celtics for Morris in a sign-and-trade. But I'm pretty damn sure the Celtics had to renounced him ... though why else wouldn't the Morris signing be finalized yet?

[look_at_g_shred]

That’s a nigga named Kelly

[Fusternino]

Oubre makes a lot of sense, tbh.

[DesignatedT]

First person I thought of after MoSpurs last post. Shit.

Or some shit like Jerebko would be my guess.

[Marcus Bryant]

So it sounds like it'd have to be a sign-and-trade.

My first instinct was Trey Lyles but the Nuggets just rescinded their QO so it can't be a sign-and-trade for him.

Marcus Morris isn't official yet, right? Maybe it's Belinelli + something to the Celtics for Morris in a sign-and-trade. But I'm pretty damn sure the Celtics had to renounced him ... though why else wouldn't the Morris signing be finalized yet?

Preserve the MLE

[NASpurs]

Has to be Oubre. My heart can’t take SpursDynasty85 getting his wish about wanting Ryan Anderson.

[Holden_Caulfield]

make it kelly pls hes like 24 years old

[timvp]

Do you think there's any chance Wombat gets moved to clear that path for the younger guys? Or is he pretty much a Spur lifer, with a guaranteed role like most of us suspect?

Highly doubt he gets traded. Only scenario is a situation where his salary is needed and there is no alternative.

I don't think he's on their untradeable list but the Spurs aren't going to give up an asset for a guy who they probably don't view as being negative (or negative enough to give up an asset).

[spurraider21]

oubre isn't a shoter. ryan anderson would be a trainwreck. jerebko? very meh. but more capable of playing forward than marco

[Mr. Body]

So it sounds like it'd have to be a sign-and-trade.

My first instinct was Trey Lyles but the Nuggets just rescinded their QO so it can't be a sign-and-trade for him.

Marcus Morris isn't official yet, right? Maybe it's Belinelli + something to the Celtics for Morris in a sign-and-trade. But I'm pretty damn sure the Celtics had to renounced him ... though why else wouldn't the Morris signing be finalized yet?

Gross.

[DPG21920]

No way it’s Oubre is it?

[look_at_g_shred]

This team is fucking stacked if we land KO

[MoSpur02]

Green is signing with the Clippers so that rules him out. Doubt it was the old Marcus Morris trade because the information was from this evening. I'm thinking salary dumping Marco and another player to free up cap space. I'm not sure how that works. I'm not good at the whole cap stuff. I'm just happy to hear that the Spurs aren't done looking into making moves. Shows me that they're serious about competing this upcoming season.

[mo7888]

So it sounds like it'd have to be a sign-and-trade.

My first instinct was Trey Lyles but the Nuggets just rescinded their QO so it can't be a sign-and-trade for him.

Marcus Morris isn't official yet, right? Maybe it's Belinelli + something to the Celtics for Morris in a sign-and-trade. But I'm pretty damn sure the Celtics had to renounced him ... though why else wouldn't the Morris signing be finalized yet?

If it's a FA it has to be Oubre. Theres no other FA out there that moves the needle.

[Degoat]

I wouldn’t mind oubre but isn’t he restricted?? Can’t imagine the suns letting us have him lol

[Fusternino]

Suns are the worst FO in the league, tbh. Marco for Oubre would be a total fleece, tbh.

[Ron Swanson]

I wouldn’t mind oubre but isn’t he restricted?? Can’t imagine the suns letting us have him lol

Yes, he's a RFA.

[timvp]

Oubre has to want ~$15 million a season. It'd take a lot more than Belinelli to get up there. Plus, the Suns aren't going to do the Spurs a favor by doing a sign-and-trade for a player they want back (they did that Josh Jackson salary dump with the specific purpose to bring back Oubre).

[MoSpur02]

No mention of Mills being included, which sucks, but I'll take it.

[mo7888]

I wouldn’t mind oubre but isn’t he restricted?? Can’t imagine the suns letting us have him lol

It's the suns....of course they'd do something like this....Belli plus Forbes is exactly the kind of thing they'd do.

[spurraider21]

would probably throw in a pick for oubre. metu/milutinov to move the needle?

[FkLA]

Isn't Oubre kind of a thug too? I remember him getting into like two or three fights these past few years.

Then again Morris shoved his teammate Jaylen Brown last season.

[DesignatedT]

They gonna send Marco to Milwaukee or Philly for nothing then sign Ryan Anderson or Jerebko for the minimum lol. Book it.

[NASpurs]

Marco commands $6 mil which is chump change.

[DPG21920]

I thought BOS already officially renounced Morris?

[timvp]

Green is signing with the Clippers so that rules him out. Doubt it was the old Marcus Morris trade because the information was from this evening. I'm thinking salary dumping Marco and another player to free up cap space. I'm not sure how that works. I'm not good at the whole cap stuff. I'm just happy to hear that the Spurs aren't done looking into making moves. Shows me that they're serious about competing this upcoming season.

Can't get cap space by trading Belinelli, especially now that Gay has re-signed. The Spurs really can't open up cap space in any scenario now that I see. It's too late unless there's a team with a massive trade exception that I don't know about who wants DeRozan.

[mo7888]

Oubre has to want ~$15 million a season. It'd take a lot more than Belinelli to get up there. Plus, the Suns aren't going to do the Spurs a favor by doing a sign-and-trade for a player they want back (they did that Josh Jackson salary dump with the specific purpose to bring back Oubre).

Nobody thought Morris would be available to us for the mle but, when the market dries up it dries up...

[MoSpur02]

Forbes is also Not part of the possible trade as well. It better not be Walker, White, or Murray.

[r0drig0lac]

Oubre

this

[DPG21920]

Green is signing with the Clippers so that rules him out. Doubt it was the old Marcus Morris trade because the information was from this evening. I'm thinking salary dumping Marco and another player to free up cap space. I'm not sure how that works. I'm not good at the whole cap stuff. I'm just happy to hear that the Spurs aren't done looking into making moves. Shows me that they're serious about competing this upcoming season.

Even with the S&T of Bertans for Carroll, with knowing SA is signing Morris for 10M per year, dumping Beli would not get them any cap space; they would still be an over the cap team especially with Rudy already signing.

[TimmyBuckets]

Hopefully the forward is more suited to guard 1,2, and 3s -- we have more than enough options to guard 3 and 4s.

[spurraider21]

Forbes is also Not part of the possible trade as well. It better not be Walker, White, or Murray.
if one of those 3 were included, you'd think that would be the lede in the news you were getting, not filler like marco

[Fusternino]

Might include Metu then, tbh.

[FkLA]

Forbes is also Not part of the possible trade as well. It better not be Walker, White, or Murray.

It better not be White. I feel like everybody, including the fanbase and team, keeps overlooking my boy.

[mo7888]

Even with the S&T of Bertans for Carroll, with knowing SA is signing Morris for 10M per year, dumping Beli would not get them any cap space; they would still be an over the cap team especially with Rudy already signing.

But they could S&T for a guy..

[DPG21920]

The fact it’s for a FA and saying Forbes is not involved makes this really confusing. SA is 100% an over the cap team unless they are dumping LMA or DeRozan and there aren’t any FA left, IMO, worth doing that for.

While I really like Morris/Carroll signings, they are low upside people and moving DeRozan for someone left in FA lowers the ceiling which doesn’t make sense.

[ironman2886]

Forbes is also Not part of the possible trade as well. It better not be Walker, White, or Murray.
If any of them are traded, Demar better go too.

[NASpurs]

It better not be White. I feel like everybody, including the fanbase and team, keeps overlooking my boy.

Didnt Pop say last year that White was the second most important player? No way he’s included in anything .

[DPG21920]

But they could S&T for a guy..


Yes, I was just explaining to him that it’s not for cap space..

[Gordy58]

Has to be oubre, only notable free agent forward left that has “range” from three. Only other names could be like Dekker, Korkmaz, Luc Mbah Moute....

[slick'81]

Def not oubre for that amount plus hes restricted and pho can match

[Wu36]

Oubre has to want ~$15 million a season. It'd take a lot more than Belinelli to get up there. Plus, the Suns aren't going to do the Spurs a favor by doing a sign-and-trade for a player they want back (they did that Josh Jackson salary dump with the specific purpose to bring back Oubre).
Was it a salary dump or him getting his infant high?

[Fusternino]

I guess Faried's 3P% is technically up the past two years . . .

[YoungbuckMurray]

Only other thing could be to dump Marco and sign someone for the minimum

[TimDunkem]

Only other thing could be to dump Marco and sign someone for the minimum

Probably this.

[timvp]

The only free agent I can come up with is Justin Holiday. He's a perimeter shooting swingman who has been rumored to be involved in sign-and-trade discussions. Belinelli for a sign-and-traded Holiday? I mean ... I might do that but it wouldn't be much of a needle mover, tbh.

[FlAVaK]

I thought BOS already officially renounced Morris?

Celtics roster sits at 15 players and they renounced their free agent rights to Morris in order to create the space needed to bring in Walker, so they would only have been able to offer him a veteran’s minimum contract.https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2019/07/06/marcus-morris-reportedly-signs-with-san-antonio-spurs

[NASpurs]

Shooting guards



Player
Team
Age
FA Type
Starting salary
















Justin Holiday
MEM
30
Key reserve
$4-6 million


Iman Shumpert
HOU
29
Rotation A
$4-6 million


Lance Stephenson
LAL
28
Rotation A
Minimum


Jamal Crawford
PHX
39
Rotation A
Minimum


Vince Carter
ATL
42
Rotation B
Minimum


Nik Stauskas
CLE
25
Rotation B
Minimum


Ian Clark
NOP
28
Rotation B
Minimum


Jerian Grant
ORL
26
Rotation B
Minimum


Tyler Dorsey
MEM
23
Rotation B
Minimum


Jodie Meeks
TOR
31
Rotation B
Minimum


Patrick McCaw
TOR
23
Rotation B
Minimum


Jimmer Fredette
PHX
30
Rotation B



Small forwards



Player
Team
Age
FA Type
Starting salary









Kelly Oubre Jr. (restricted)
PHX
23
Starter
$12-14 million









Furkan Korkmaz
PHI
21
Rotation B
$4-6 million


Justin Anderson
ATL
25
Rotation B
Minimum


Corey Brewer
SAC
33
Rotation B
Minimum


Quincy Pondexter
SAS
31
Rotation B
Minimum


Thabo Sefolosha
UTA
35
Rotation B
Minimum


Sam Dekker
WAS
25
Rotation B
Minimum


Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot
CHI
24
Development



Jaron Blossomgame
CLE
25
Development



Deng Adel
CLE
22
Development



Vince Edwards
HOU
23
Development



Davon Reed
IND
24
Development



George King
PHX
25
Development



Troy Williams
SAC
24
Development



Power forwards



Player
Team
Age
FA Type
Starting salary


Marcus Morris
BOS
29
Starter
$8-10 million


JaMychal Green
LAC
29
Starter
$8-10 million


Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
BKN
24
Key reserve
$6-8 million


Trey Lyles
DEN
23
Key reserve
$6-8 million


Kenneth Faried
HOU
29
Rotation A
$4-6 million


Jarell Martin
ORL
25
Rotation A
Minimum


Carmelo Anthony
N/A
35
Rotation A
Minimum


Luol Deng
MIN
34
Rotation B
Minimum


Lance Thomas
NYK
31
Rotation B
Minimum


Marquese Chriss
CLE
21
Rotation B
Minimum


Jonas Jerebko
GSW
32
Rotation B
Minimum


Udonis Haslem
MIA
39
Rotation B
Minimum


Cheick Diallo
NOP
22
Rotation B
Minimum


Ekpe Udoh
UTA
32
Rotation B
Minimum


Dragan Bender
PHX
21
Rotation B
Minimum


Dante Cunningham
SAS
32
Rotation B
Minimum


Donatas Motiejunas
SAS
28
Rotation B
Minimum


Alex Poythress
ATL
25
Development



Tyler Lydon
DEN
23
Development



Ray Spalding
PHX
22
Development



Marcus Derrickson
GSW
23
Development



Cameron Reynolds
MIN
24
Development



Johnathan Motley
LAC
24
Development



Johnathan Williams
LAC
24
Development



Isaiah Hicks
NYK
24
Development



Amile Jefferson
ORL
26
Development



Ben Moore
SAS
24
Development



Tyler Cavanaugh
UTA
25
Development



Devin Robinson
WAS
24
Development

[NASpurs]

Jamal Crawford or Vince Carter... Pop can’t resist.

[Fusternino]

Could be Sefolosha? He used to kill us on the Thunder.

[r0drig0lac]

Jamal Crawford or Vince Carter... Pop can’t resist.

or......Melo

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Jimmer!

[slick'81]

Heere comes melo jk

that fa list is trash maybe chriss?

[NASpurs]

or......Melo

They’re making room to give Dante Cunningham a loyalty contract.

[FkLA]

Only other thing could be to dump Marco and sign someone for the minimum

:lol Yeah, we're probably getting too greedy now. Just clearing a path for the young guys at guard would be a big win. Hopefully Mills or Forbes go too.

[DPG21920]

Just did the math, if SA traded DeRozan and Beli into cap space/trade exceptions and signed Rudy, Morris and Carroll at their reported salaries and signed their draft picks to their reported salaries, they would have about 15M in cap space.

[Mugen]

Marco + Metu for Marvin Williams or Ilyasova.

The S&T stuff doesn't make sense unless it's with the Celtics for Morris tbh.

[timvp]

Only other thing could be to dump Marco and sign someone for the minimum

Belinelli to the Mavs for nothing makes some sense for both teams, tbh.

[slick'81]

Just did the math, if SA traded DeRozan and Beli into cap space/trade exceptions and signed Rudy, Morris and Carroll at their reported salaries and signed their draft picks to their reported salaries, they would have about 15M in cap space.


To sign who?

[NASpurs]

At this point, I’ll take addition by subtraction when it comes to Marco and call it a day.

[spurraider21]

Marco + Metu for Marvin Williams or Ilyasova.

The S&T stuff doesn't make sense unless it's with the Celtics for Morris tbh.
yeah but OP said its for a free agent, so seems like a sign and trade...

[Mr. Body]

:lol Yeah, we're probably getting too greedy now. Just clearing a path for the young guys at guard would be a big win. Hopefully Mills or Forbes go too.

Might as well hang on to Mills/Forbes/Beli then. Injuries killed at the beginning of last season. We don't know how Murray looks yet. If the logjam needs to be cleared, you can move guys after the season starts. And I don't see Mills traded.

[timvp]

Just did the math, if SA traded DeRozan and Beli into cap space/trade exceptions and signed Rudy, Morris and Carroll at their reported salaries and signed their draft picks to their reported salaries, they would have about 15M in cap space.

:tu

The only team with notable cap space right now is the Mavs (~$15 million). Everyone else is under $7 million.

I don't know who has trade exceptions, though.

[spurraider21]

At this point, I’ll take addition by subtraction when it comes to Marco and call it a day.
marco for a trade exception? honestly wouldn't mind lol

[spurraider21]

:tu

The only team with notable cap space right now is the Mavs (~$15 million). Everyone else is under $7 million.

I don't know who has trade exceptions, though.
porzingis is a forward who can shoot 3's tbh

[Mr. Body]

Just did the math, if SA traded DeRozan and Beli into cap space/trade exceptions and signed Rudy, Morris and Carroll at their reported salaries and signed their draft picks to their reported salaries, they would have about 15M in cap space.

What's the deal with Milutinov? Is he for sure staying, or can cap space bring him over?

[Mugen]

I don't even want another playing coming back tbh. Even a 2nd rounder with minimal protection for Beli would be a huge win. The roster is pretty much set and I'm relatively happy with it all things considered tbh:

Murray/Fatty/Quindarry
White/Lonnie/Forbes
Derozan/Carroll/KJ
Morris/Gay/Samanic
LMA/Poetl/Eubanks

That's easily a playoff team. With health and the young guys making a jump, that's possibly a top 4 seed in a wide open west.

[FutureMan]

Maybe something like Belinelli & Metu for McDermott. Would open up a roster spot too to sign a third string C

[apalisoc_9]

Its a 2 for 1 trade to free up minuted for Walker and White.

[slick'81]

Id do belli for a 2nd

[Mugen]

Marco salary dumped to Dallas followed by Ryan Anderson for the vet min. I know Pop just can't help himself after bringing in Carroll and Morris tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

Aren't the Spurs hard capped now because they did a sign in trade? That would have to impact any cap space no?

[Down Under]

Could be Oubre. He's had 2 of the worst development programs in Phoenix & Washington.

[ElNono]

Hopefully it's Lonzo Ball, tbh...

[FkLA]

I don't even want another playing coming back tbh. Even a 2nd rounder with minimal protection for Beli would be a huge win. The roster is pretty much set and I'm relatively happy with it all things considered tbh:

Murray/Fatty/Quindarry
White/Lonnie/Forbes
Derozan/Carroll/KJ
Morris/Gay/Samanic
LMA/Poetl/Eubanks

That's easily a playoff team. With health and the young guys making a jump, that's possibly a top 4 seed in a wide open west.

:tu

I don't even want DD touched. We're deep af, with plenty of quality combo forwards to throw at LeBron, Giannis, Neph, PG, etc. Just give it a shot with this roster. You never know.

[bluebellmaniac]

Aren't the Spurs hard capped now because they did a sign in trade? That would have to impact any cap space no?

I believe the hard cap keeps you to no more than $4M into the luxury tax, which is called the apron. (?)

[DPG21920]

What's the deal with Milutinov? Is he for sure staying, or can cap space bring him over?

Seems pretty unlikely he’s coming over. Sure, he still could and don’t need cap space (still have some MLE left).

[ElNono]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N6GwpTnLZC0/WN1WX3FL7xI/AAAAAAAATOM/j_Dl2_66uKwsQciPm7r_evykh9PqSUSoQCLcB/s1600/OblongImpoliteAntelopegroundsquirrel.gif

[timvp]

Celtics roster sits at 15 players and they renounced their free agent rights to Morris in order to create the space needed to bring in Walker, so they would only have been able to offer him a veteran’s minimum contract.https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2019/07/06/marcus-morris-reportedly-signs-with-san-antonio-spurs

Yeah, I saw that.

If Belinelli is being traded, what makes most sense is those Boston writers are wrong somehow and the Spurs and Celtics can do some sort of sign-and-trade. All the other transactions are official for the Spurs other than Morris, so maybe there's something there? I don't know another reason why the Morris signing wouldn't be official yet.

Belinelli + something (Metu?) for Morris and then use the MLE to sign Trey Lyles? That'd kinda fit with what OP is hearing.

[DPG21920]

Aren't the Spurs hard capped now because they did a sign in trade? That would have to impact any cap space no?

They are hard capped because they did a S&T (and/or they used the MLE). It would not impact any cap space though. Spurs wouldn’t be close to that hard cap with salaries going out.

[MannyIsGod]

With the new signings, I don't think there's much room for an actual rotation player in the front court. I mean we have 3 combo forwards now, plus LMA and DeRozan to play at the forward spots. Maybe even Lonnie. If they're doing this, then they likely don't think Marco factors into the rotation and might be doing him a solid. Also, they're almost certainly bringing back less in salary since they are hard capped now by the sign and trade.

This is almost certainly going to be a trade for a guy that sits on the bench but can hit a 3.

[Degoat]

Doesn’t make sense to get a forward imo we have plenty of guys who can play both forward spots now

[I'm confused]

Where may someone find information on the international players the Spurs have draft right to?

[ElNono]

If they can do a 2 for 1 and leave a spot for a Toros guy, that'd be nice. Gives some wiggle room if they want to touch up the roster a bit mid-season.

[slick'81]

Yea if its just beli and filler itll be a pretty low end move for sure

[spurraider21]

Yeah, I saw that.

If Belinelli is being traded, what makes most sense is those Boston writers are wrong somehow and the Spurs and Celtics can do some sort of sign-and-trade. All the other transactions are official for the Spurs other than Morris, so maybe there's something there? I don't know another reason why the Morris signing wouldn't be official yet.

Belinelli + something (Metu?) for Morris and then use the MLE to sign Trey Lyles? That'd kinda fit with what OP is hearing.
so sign and trade marco + filler for morris...

would be funny tbh... first we thought carroll was getting MLE funds (but then bertans S&T negated that), then we thought morris was taking all of it (marco + parts S&T negates that), now perhaps neither are getting MLE funds? :lol

[timvp]

Aren't the Spurs hard capped now because they did a sign in trade? That would have to impact any cap space no?

Yeah, the Spurs are hard capped but they're ~$17 million under the hard cap counting everyone (including Morris and all the rookies at max pay scale). Unless they have something really tricky up their sleeve, I don't think they can approach that number.

[Mr. Body]

Doesn’t make sense to get a forward imo we have plenty of guys who can play both forward spots now

Right. It's turning a guard logjam into a forward logjam. The only thing I see the team needing is another big. We only have two shotblockers.

[MannyIsGod]

Another reason the Morris scenario doesn't work IMO is because he had a player option for year 2. Now at best that would be in year 3.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:tu

The only team with notable cap space right now is the Mavs (~$15 million). Everyone else is under $7 million.

I don't know who has trade exceptions, though.

Here's the list, but I think there may be a couple of these washed out with recent transactions, list is a few weeks old.

OKC -
Carmelo Anthony 10,883,189 7/25/2019
Jerami Grant 9,346,153 7/8/2020
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot 1,544,951 2/1/2020


Dallas - 21 million (Barnes)

Denver -
Kenneth Faried 13,764,045 7/12/2019
Darrell Arthur 7,464,912 7/12/2019

Houston -
Brandon Knight 3,620,016 2/6/2020
Marquese Chriss 3,206,160 2/6/2020
Ryan Anderson 2,584,136 8/30/2019
James Ennis 1,621,415 2/7/2020
Nik Stauskas 1,544,951 2/7/2020
Chinanu Onuaku 1,544,951 8/2/2019
Carmelo Anthony 1,512,601 1/23/2020

Memphis -
Garrett Temple 8,000,000 2/7/2020
Jarell Martin 2,416,222 7/23/2019
Deyonta Davis 1,544,951 7/17/2019
Shelvin Mack 1,512,601 2/7/2020

Miami - Wayne Ellington 6,270,000 2/6/2020

Wizards -
Markieff Morris 8,600,000 2/7/2020
Otto Porter 6,011,913 2/6/2020
Kelly Oubre 3,208,630 12/15/2019
Jason Smith 2,955,654 12/7/2019
Marcin Gortat 957,609 6/26/2019
Jodie Meeks 694,405 10/15/2019

[TimDunkem]

Nah there is definitely room. Morris and Gay should be spending most of the time at the 4 leaving Carroll as the only full-time 3. If you move the former 2 to the 3 then you have an issue at the 4. KJ and Samanic can't and most likely will not be relied on this season leaving the Spurs with room to fit in a forward who can play the positions.

[spurraider21]

Another reason the Morris scenario doesn't work IMO is because he had a player option for year 2. Now at best that would be in year 3.
true true. its why we had to change carroll's deal

[MoSpur02]

Wish I knew more and hope they actually do trade Belinelli. I can't stand his three point shot as he's falling out of bounds and his non-existent defense. This source has almost never been wrong except for #2 being traded at the trade deadline. However, that did almost happen. Hopefully this possible move does take place.

[MannyIsGod]

Nah there is definitely room. Morris and Gay should be spending most of the time at the 4 leaving Carroll as the only full-time 3. If you move the former 2 to the 3 then you have an issue at the 4. KJ and Samanic can't and most likely will not be relied on this season leaving the Spurs with room to fit in a forward who can play the positions.

Some of our 2s will be playing the 3 (DDR, Lonnie) becasue of our depth in the backcourt, though.

[DPG21920]

so sign and trade marco + filler for morris...

would be funny tbh... first we thought carroll was getting MLE funds (but then bertans S&T negated that), then we thought morris was taking all of it (marco + parts S&T negates that), now perhaps neither are getting MLE funds? :lol

It’s optimal - SA needed to move some guys anyways and going into the off season with 9M and getting Morris and Carroll and another player near that full MLE level :lol? Pretty good cap gymnastics.

But imo, at least 2 of Beli/Forbes/Mills SHOULD be moved but at least one of the HAS to be moved. There are just too many young guys deserving minutes for that not to happen.

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Its a 2 for 1 trade to free up minuted for Walker and White.

And for QWERTY too. Kid has earned a two way and potential playing time next season

[MaNu4Tres]

To sign who?


Yeah, I saw that.

If Belinelli is being traded, what makes most sense is those Boston writers are wrong somehow and the Spurs and Celtics can do some sort of sign-and-trade. All the other transactions are official for the Spurs other than Morris, so maybe there's something there? I don't know another reason why the Morris signing wouldn't be official yet.

Belinelli + something (Metu?) for Morris and then use the MLE to sign Trey Lyles? That'd kinda fit with what OP is hearing.

Trey Lyles makes a lot of sense in this scenario.

[spurraider21]

It’s optimal - SA needed to move some guys anyways and going into the off season with 9M and getting Morris and Carroll and another player near that full MLE level :lol? Pretty good cap gymnastics.

But imo, at least 2 of Beli/Forbes/Mills SHOULD be moved but at least one of the HAS to be moved. There are just too many young guys deserving minutes for that not to happen.
oh i agree its optimal to land carroll + morris while still having full MLE access. it would just be funny to have that kind of roller coaster.

id gladly dump marco for a late pick and trade exception, but OP has specifically stated they're targeting a free agent shooter

[JeffDuncan]

I was told Marco and possibly another player to obtain a free agent. A forward free agent who has range on his jumper. Any forward power or small who can hit the three who is a FA jump out to y'all?

I suppose that means getting rid of Beli, and maybe another player, to get enough financial space to sign a free agent without exceeding the luxury tax threshold. And create roster space, of course, since the Spurs are now at 15. Or were you told something different?

As far as moving Beli, a trade for picks would do that. Who would have a late 1st round pick, and need a shooter? The Bucks? Maybe Bud will help us out again. The Bucks still have one roster spot unfilled.

Then the FA could be anybody we could just sign. Unrestricted, I suppose.

Spurs are currently about $5 million below the luxury tax threshold.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It’s optimal - SA needed to move some guys anyways and going into the off season with 9M and getting Morris and Carroll and another player near that full MLE level :lol? Pretty good cap gymnastics.

But imo, at least 2 of Beli/Forbes/Mills SHOULD be moved but at least one of the HAS to be moved. There are just too many young guys deserving minutes for that not to happen.

At this point I just don't see them moving Patty - even if he doesn't have a role / guaranteed minutes, Pop wants him around for the culture and mentoring all the young guys in the backcourt.

[Mugen]

Salary dumping Beli now and carrying Forbes into the trade deadline to up his value / injury insurance is the optimal approach tbh.

They're probably just looking to get a big with range a la Ryan Anderson or Lyles since Luka will be in Austin all year, and need to clear up a roster spot.

[TimDunkem]

Some of our 2s will be playing the 3 (DDR, Lonnie) becasue of our depth in the backcourt, though.

That weakens the team (defensively mostly), imho. Maybe they'll get spot minutes there depending on the situation, but they should be left at their natural positions. It just makes sense to dump one or two guards to make room there and find a foward who can backup the players we have at the 3 and 4.

[MoSpur02]

So if they do a sign and trade for Morris, then they have money to sign another player with the MLE money?

[ZeusWillJudge]

Has to be Oubre. My heart can’t take SpursDynasty85 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=21231) getting his wish about wanting Ryan Anderson.


JaMychal Green committed to a deal already. Oubre is pretty much the only FA forward who can shoot the 3, and who has a salary that makes any kind of sense. Last I heard, Phoenix had extended him a QO, and they're carrying a cap hold of close to $10M until he signs somewhere. If he doesn't want to be there, I'm sure he doesn't want to bring them an offer sheet they can match. So a S&T deal makes sense, I guess. I just don't see any other FA's that come close to making sense.

If it's the S&T for Morris, to also get Lyles, the 3P shooting forward must be Morris. Lyles was absolutely terrible from the arc last year.

[DPG21920]

So if they do a sign and trade for Morris, then they have money to sign another player with the MLE money?

Correct

[slick'81]

So if they do a sign and trade for Morris, then they have money to sign another player with the MLE money?


Thats what im wondering but if its oubre for that amount what if phoenix matches

[Degoat]

Dante Cunningham?? Lol jk :lmao

[TimDunkem]

Murray/White/Mills
DD/Walker/Forbes
Carroll/FA/Johnson
Morris/Gay/Samanic
Aldridge/Poeltl/Eubanks

is optimal, imho.

[spurraider21]

i dont know if morris was ever actually renounced. the thought was boston had to renounce him to sign kemba, but they ended up making kemba-rozier a sign and trade. perhaps that means they didnt renounce morris (dont think ive seen an article explicitly conforming morris was renounced). but still, it would mean morris would have to have a 3 year deal, not a 2 year deal like we've seen reported