Epstein: Had 21 Phone #'s For Bill Clinton

[Spurtacular]

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/court-docs-epstein-had-21-different-phone-numbers-for-bill-clinton/

Sorta shits on the recently released narrative by the Clintons that tried to make them damn near sound like two passing ships in the night.

Shields up, Chumpettes...

:rollin

[hater]

He was also one of the very first big donors of the Clinton foundation :lmao

[Reck]

“Appears to be”

:lol

[Spurtacular]

“Appears to be”

:lol

You should read the Clinton's written attempts to diminish their relationship with Epstein.

:lol At how they try to meticulously cover their bases with blatant lies.

[Pavlov]

:lol 2015

[Spurtacular]

:lol 2015

Tell us why that's funny, Blake Zero.

Cop-out coming...

[Pavlov]

Tell us why that's funny, Blake Zero.

Cop-out coming...Because it's four years old.

Trump's number is in the book too, so he's obviously a pedo, right?

Bonus points for crying out for Blake.:tu

[Spurtacular]

Because it's four years old.

Trump's number is in the book too, so he's obviously a pedo, right?

Bonus points for crying out for Blake.:tu

It's somehow funny that he had 21 phone numbers for Clinton in 2015 rather than 2019?

See, this is why you usually do the cop-out in the first place, Blake Zero.

[Pavlov]

It's somehow funny that he had 21 phone numbers for Clinton in 2015 rather than 2019?

See, this is why you usually have to do the cop-out in the first place, Blake Zero.It's funny that you thought this was new information.

You're easy to fool.

Because you're really quite stupid.

It's one reason we call you derp.

You're only going to post about me from now on.:tu

[Pavlov]

Also:

https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/tw_image_6_4/public/screen_shot_2019-07-17_at_8.43.47_am.png?itok=dOasWtrG

:lmao

[Winehole23]

Two years later, allegedly, at Epstein's Manhattan home:

https://twitter.com/iansmadrig/status/1068605537246425088?s=19

[Spurtacular]

It's funny that you thought this was new information.


That's not a claim I made.

But this is your standard sperm shield play whenever one posts not "new" information.

[Pavlov]

That's not a claim I made.You didn't have to.

We all know you're stupid.

Now post only about me again.:tu

[Spurtacular]

You didn't have to.


You're right; because it's inconsequential.

Yet, you needed to focus on the inconsequential for sperm shielding purposes.

[Spurtacular]

Also:

https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/tw_image_6_4/public/screen_shot_2019-07-17_at_8.43.47_am.png?itok=dOasWtrG

:lmao

While pointing at a Buffalo Bills cheerleader; oh, the humanity!

:lmao Sperm Shielder Chump

[Pavlov]

While pointing at a Buffalo Bills cheerleader; oh, the humanity!

:lmao Sperm Shielder Chump:lmao Sperm Shielder derp

[Winehole23]

1151207259730534401

[Spurtacular]

:lmao Sperm Shielder derp

Not condemning Trump for engaging in patented heterosexual behavior is sperm shielding?

:lmao Compulsive psychopav
:lmao Blake Zero

[Pavlov]

Not condemning Trump for engaging in patented heterosexual behavior is sperm shielding?Who is he hanging out with in that picture, derp?

[Spurtacular]

Who is he hanging out with in that picture, derp?

At a non-pedo event, right? Did he take any trips on Epstein's private jet to Pedo Island?

[Pavlov]

At a non-pedo event, right? Did he take any trips on Epstein's private jet to Pedo Island?You didn't answer the question.

Who is he hanging out with in that picture, derp?

[Spurtacular]

You didn't answer the question.

Who is he hanging out with in that picture, derp?

My rebuttal obviously implied an answer.

Troglodyte Chump. Par.

[Pavlov]

My rebuttal obviously implied an answer.But you didn't actually answer.


Who is he hanging out with in that picture, derp?

[Spurtacular]

But you didn't actually answer.

Who is he hanging out with in that picture, derp?

I literally said the dude's name in my post. Is there any particular reason I should answer your question to a tee?

[Pavlov]

I literally said the dude's name in my post. Is there any particular reason I should answer your question to a tee?Yes. You need to show your not afraid.

Who is Donald J. Trump hanging out with in that picture, derp?

[Spurtacular]

Yes. You need to show your not afraid.

Who is Donald J. Trump hanging out with in that picture, derp?

Cos X posts, Y hours, Z pretend w's. Par.

[Pavlov]

Cos X posts, Y hours, Z pretend w's. Par.So you're afraid to answer.

Cool.

Post only about me from now on.:tu

[Spurtacular]

So you're afraid to answer.

Cool.

Post only about me from now on.:tu

Says the guy who very pointedly is trying to make it about me.

:lmao Compulsive psychopav

[Pavlov]

Says the guy who very pointedly is trying to make it about me.

:lmao Compulsive psychopavNo, I was discussing the picture I posted.

I can understand your fear of putting those names together since your OP is guilt by association innuendo.

You will never name the two men in that picture.

lol derp

[Spurtacular]

No, I was discussing the picture I posted.


Cool. Discuss it. Make a point if you have one.

[Pavlov]

Cool. Discuss it. Make a point if you have one.I can understand your fear of putting those names together since your OP is guilt by association innuendo.

You will never name the two men in that picture.

Prove me right.

[Spurtacular]

I can understand your fear of putting those names together since your OP is guilt by association innuendo.

You will never name the two men in that picture.

Prove me right.

Nope. Not making a guilt by association argument whatsoever.

[Pavlov]

Nope. Not making a guilt by association argument whatsoever.Oh, what is your argument, derp?

Spell it out.

[Spurtacular]

Oh, what is your argument, derp?

Spell it out.

More along the lines of my continued arguments on the Clintons; they're thick as thieves with some bad hombres.

(See, that's how you make a point. Note that I didn't have to ask a meaningless question over and over).

[Pavlov]

More along the lines of my continued arguments on the Clintons; they're thick as thieves with some bad hombres.As demonstrated here, so is Trump.

lol derp

[Spurtacular]

As demonstrated here, so is Trump.

lol derp

Because Trump told him a Buffalo Bill cheerleader is hot at a party.

:lmao Laughingstock Chump

[Pavlov]

Because Trump told him a Buffalo Bill cheerleader is hot at a party.Epstein had his number too, derp. Trump was at his home too, derp.

[Pavlov]

More along the lines of my continued arguments on the Clintons; they're thick as thieves with some bad hombres.And that makes them guilty of something?

Explain.

[Spurtacular]

Epstein had his number too, derp.

21 of them? How many flights did Trump take to pedo island? For that matter, how many flights did Clinton take to pedo island?

[Spurtacular]

And that makes them guilty of something?

Explain.

:cry I don't understand the way of the world; I'm a child :cry

In all likelihood.

:lmao Blake Zero

[Pavlov]

21 of them?Don't know. People had lots of numbers back then.


How many flights did Trump take to pedo island? For that matter, how many flights did Clinton take to pedo island?Yes, derp -- I was just about to ask you that very question.

How many flights did Clinton take to Epstein's private island?

Give a number and a link to your evidence.

[Pavlov]

In all likelihood.So guilt by association.

Just like Trump is obviously guilty of something since he would hang out with that bad hombre.

According to you.

lol derp

[Spurtacular]

So guilt by association.

lol derp

No. Likelihood of "guilt" (bad doings) based upon indicator(s).

:lol Chump pretending to not understand nuance.
:lol Par.

[Pavlov]

No. Likelihood of guilt based upon indicator(s).The indicator being association with bad hombres.

lol derp

[Spurtacular]

Don't know. People had lots of numbers back then.



Well, when you find out it's ballpark 21, let us know. We won't expect the return call on that one.

[Spurtacular]

Yes, derp -- I was just about to ask you that very question.

How many flights did Clinton take to Epstein's private island?

Give a number and a link to your evidence.

Too bad I asked first. Cards on the table, bruh.

[Pavlov]

Well, when you find out it's ballpark 21, let us know. We won't expect the return call on that one.Not my job.

The guilt by association is clear.

That's what your thread is about, so I just proved it with Trump.:tu

[Spurtacular]

The indicator being association with bad hombres.

lol derp

:cry Bad billionaires don't get into trouble together :cry

:lol Dip shit.

[Pavlov]

Too bad I asked first. Cards on the table, bruh.According to the flight logs, zero.

Your turn.

How many flights did Clinton take to Epstein's private island?

Give a number and a link to your evidence.

[Pavlov]

.

[Pavlov]

:cry Bad billionaires don't get into trouble together :cryAre you undermining your own argument?

lol derp

[Spurtacular]

Are you undermining your own argument?

lol derp

Not at all. I'm laughing at your stupid point.

[Spurtacular]

.

Present

[Pavlov]

Not at all. I'm laughing at your stupid point.Who are the billionaires you're talking about?

[Pavlov]

PresentThat was a duplicate post, you idiot.

:lmao derp

[Spurtacular]

According to the flight logs, zero.

Your turn.

How many flights did Clinton take to Epstein's private island?

Give a number and a link to your evidence.

There are multiple reports on the number. I'm not at all shocked you've decided to believe the one that is most convenient for you.

[Pavlov]

There are multiple reports on the number. I'm not at all shocked you've decided to believe the one that is most convenient for you.You didn't answer the question, bruh.

Cards on the table, bruh.

How many flights did Clinton take to Epstein's private island, bruh?

Give a number and a link to your evidence, bruh.

[spurraider21]

Not making a guilt by association argument whatsoever.


they're thick as thieves with some bad hombres.
Oh. So guilt by association

[TSA]

Two years later, allegedly, at Epstein's Manhattan home:

https://twitter.com/iansmadrig/status/1068605537246425088?s=19

:lol "Katie Johnson"

"Hearing her answers that night, I had to remind myself that PTSD from sexual trauma is known to damage victims' memories — and that the parties she recalled allegedly happened more than two decades ago. But Mike Fisten, a retired Miami-Dade detective who conducted research for several of Epstein's victims, denied such parties ever even took place.

"Jeffery never had parties like described in their complaint," Fisten told me. "Jeffery had sex parties, for sure, with two or three girls … but never with other guys."

There were men in attendance at Epstein’s more large, lavish affairs, Fisten said, but nothing illicit ever happened at such events.

"He loved having these young girls around him," Fisten acknowledged. "…But at these parties, with everyone around, nothing ever happened."

"But Epstein entertained dozens of high-profile guests, including Revlon chairman Ronald Perelman, real-estate tycoon Leon Black, and even former president Bill Clinton. Is Trump and Epstein’s friendship enough to place him at Epstein’s apartment on the night of the alleged assault? Detective Fisten doesn't think so.

"I interviewed hundreds of victims — people who were victimized by Jeffrey, worked with him, were part of his organization," Fisten told me. "I interviewed them, the FBI interviewed him … Trump never came up involved in this part of his life anywhere, at any time, by anybody."

Asked why Trump was named in this lawsuit, Fisten said flatly, “They threw Trump’s name in there.”

https://www.revelist.com/politics/i-talked-with-katie-johnson/3573/these-women-had-reason-to-be-scared-epsteins-predatory-behavior-is-welldocumented/10


"It is categorically untrue. It is completely frivolous. It is baseless. It is irresponsible," Trump attorney Alan Garten told POLITICO in September. "I won’t even discuss the merits because it gives it credibility that it doesn’t deserve."

Doe named Trump and Epstein as defendants in the suits and says they knew she was well under 17 — the age of consent. "I understood that both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein knew that I was 13 years old," she wrote.

Two earlier suits were filed over the same alleged events.

The first suit over the alleged rapes was filed in federal court in Riverside, California, in April by someone acting without an attorney and using the name "Katie Johnson." That suit named both Trump and Epstein as defendants, alleging that the two men held Johnson as a "sex slave" and repeatedly forced her to engage in sexual acts against her will.

Subsequent news reports raised doubts about who filed the suit. Johnson claimed she had just $300 in assets and that she was living at a home in Twentynine Palms, California, but Radar Online reported neighbors said the home had been foreclosed upon and vacant since its owner died last year.

U.S. District Court Judge Dolly Gee dismissed that case in May, ruling that Johnson's complaint didn't raise valid claims under federal law. Gee, an appointee of President Barack Obama, noted that the suit cited a criminal statute that doesn't give rise to civil damages and that the civil statute Johnson cited only applies to actions based on "race-based or class-based animus."

Another version of the suit was filed in federal court in June, but withdrawn in September after apparently never being served on the defendants.

The case was refiled later that month.

The second and third iterations of the complaint accused Trump of only a single act of rape, but said he had "sexual contact" with the accuser on three other occasions. A declaration from an anonymous witness attached to the later suits continued to accuse Trump of four acts of rape or sexual assault.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770

[spurraider21]

https://i.imgflip.com/35vrbp.jpg

[Reck]

https://i.imgflip.com/35vrbp.jpg


:lol TSA

[Spurtacular]

Oh. So guilt by association

:lol Lite looking hard for a semantical w for the Clintons.

An "association" can be the person you buy your groceries. That's not the same as having 21 phone numbers on file and flying a dude's private jet. And I also already qualified "guilt" as likely bad doings (especially given this pattern of associations).

[Phenomanul]

Have the flight log manifests to Epstein's "pedo island" been verified as true..? If so, then the answer is that Bill visited over 20 times. Conveniently enough, Clinton would shed his secret service detail for said trips.

Several sites have a copy of the flight log manifests, but again it hinges on whether or not they are validated as true.

And even if they were true, leftist hardliners would never admit it.

[Spurminator]

And even if they were true, leftist hardliners would never admit it.

You and everyone else continue to make this claim and it's not supported in reality.

Just because Trump sycophants refuse accept reality when it makes their leader look bad, that doesn't mean everyone is like that.

[Winehole23]

:lol "Katie Johnson"

"Hearing her answers that night, I had to remind myself that PTSD from sexual trauma is known to damage victims' memories — and that the parties she recalled allegedly happened more than two decades ago. But Mike Fisten, a retired Miami-Dade detective who conducted research for several of Epstein's victims, denied such parties ever even took place.

"Jeffery never had parties like described in their complaint," Fisten told me. "Jeffery had sex parties, for sure, with two or three girls … but never with other guys."

There were men in attendance at Epstein’s more large, lavish affairs, Fisten said, but nothing illicit ever happened at such events.

"He loved having these young girls around him," Fisten acknowledged. "…But at these parties, with everyone around, nothing ever happened."

"But Epstein entertained dozens of high-profile guests, including Revlon chairman Ronald Perelman, real-estate tycoon Leon Black, and even former president Bill Clinton. Is Trump and Epstein’s friendship enough to place him at Epstein’s apartment on the night of the alleged assault? Detective Fisten doesn't think so.

"I interviewed hundreds of victims — people who were victimized by Jeffrey, worked with him, were part of his organization," Fisten told me. "I interviewed them, the FBI interviewed him … Trump never came up involved in this part of his life anywhere, at any time, by anybody."

Asked why Trump was named in this lawsuit, Fisten said flatly, “They threw Trump’s name in there.”

https://www.revelist.com/politics/i-talked-with-katie-johnson/3573/these-women-had-reason-to-be-scared-epsteins-predatory-behavior-is-welldocumented/10


"It is categorically untrue. It is completely frivolous. It is baseless. It is irresponsible," Trump attorney Alan Garten told POLITICO in September. "I won’t even discuss the merits because it gives it credibility that it doesn’t deserve."

Doe named Trump and Epstein as defendants in the suits and says they knew she was well under 17 — the age of consent. "I understood that both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein knew that I was 13 years old," she wrote.

Two earlier suits were filed over the same alleged events.

The first suit over the alleged rapes was filed in federal court in Riverside, California, in April by someone acting without an attorney and using the name "Katie Johnson." That suit named both Trump and Epstein as defendants, alleging that the two men held Johnson as a "sex slave" and repeatedly forced her to engage in sexual acts against her will.

Subsequent news reports raised doubts about who filed the suit. Johnson claimed she had just $300 in assets and that she was living at a home in Twentynine Palms, California, but Radar Online reported neighbors said the home had been foreclosed upon and vacant since its owner died last year.

U.S. District Court Judge Dolly Gee dismissed that case in May, ruling that Johnson's complaint didn't raise valid claims under federal law. Gee, an appointee of President Barack Obama, noted that the suit cited a criminal statute that doesn't give rise to civil damages and that the civil statute Johnson cited only applies to actions based on "race-based or class-based animus."

Another version of the suit was filed in federal court in June, but withdrawn in September after apparently never being served on the defendants.

The case was refiled later that month.

The second and third iterations of the complaint accused Trump of only a single act of rape, but said he had "sexual contact" with the accuser on three other occasions. A declaration from an anonymous witness attached to the later suits continued to accuse Trump of four acts of rape or sexual assault.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770Sounds like Katie Johnson had bad representation.

She did have a duly deposed witness.

What did he say?

Did Maria ever turn up?

[Spurtacular]

Have the flight log manifests to Epstein's "pedo island" been verified as true..? If so, then the answer is that Bill visited over 20 times. Conveniently enough, Clinton would shed his secret service detail for said trips.

Several sites have a copy of the flight log manifests, but again it hinges on whether or not they are validated as true.

And even if they were true, leftist hardliners would never admit it.

Yup. To a chumpette, they'll deny it. Lambert stepped right in, too. :lol

[Winehole23]

Let the chips fall.

If Bill Clinton fucked kids, throw him in the wood chipper.

Same for DJT.

[Winehole23]

Lol tsa and derp deflecting like crazy.

[Chris]

Just looking at 2 facts here...

1992. 7 years before Trump banned his ass.

Buffalo Bills cheerleaders are hot and I would look too.

Anything else is a conspiracy theory. : )

[Phenomanul]

You and everyone else continue to make this claim and it's not supported in reality.

Just because Trump sycophants refuse accept reality when it makes their leader look bad, that doesn't mean everyone is like that.

No. My point was that no one here can validate any of this. There is so much misinformation, ignorance and disinformation "out there" that anyone trying to assess and discern truth from deceit would need to work on said task full time (perhaps with 17 angry lawyers and the full investigative power of the FBI, CIA, NSA etc...).

So any sliver or shred of doubt will always be sufficient for any person here to hold on to their views. Folks on your "side" certainly behave this way as well and your abject refusal to believe the dynamic (as demonstrated by your second statement) is a symptom of that very problem. Ironic.

[Winehole23]

Just looking at 2 facts here...

1992. 7 years before Trump banned his ass.

Buffalo Bills cheerleaders are hot and I would look too.

Anything else is a conspiracy theory. : )DJT banned him for sexually assaulting someone at Mar a Lago.

Odd he didn't call the cops.

[Phenomanul]

For example, take the accusations that were launched against Judge Roy Moore in Alabama...

Your side never admitted that all of it was a targeted character assassination ploy. The timing of it. The salaciousness of the accusations themselves.

After his Senatorial bid defeat all of Justice Moore's accusers went away. None of the alleged victims ever formally charged Judge Moore with any crime.

YET every leftist here truly believed that Moore was guilty. Without evidence. Without any formal trial. Simply because it was convenient and allowed you all to justify the condemnation of what he stood for. Those on your side of the aisle clearly "refused to accept the reality" that we all knew that the allegations were nothing but a political hit. But hey it worked. And the tactic almost worked again during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. People are tired of that crap.

[Chris]

^Same thing with Kavanaugh. Preach.

[TSA]

Lol tsa and derp deflecting like crazy.

How is pointing out major issues with Katie Johnson's credibility deflecting? Be specific.

[boutons_deux]

“IT’S GOING TO BE STAGGERING, THE AMOUNT OF NAMES”:

AS THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN CASE GROWS MORE GROTESQUE,

MANHATTAN AND DC BRACE FOR IMPACT

The disgraced financier “collected people,” said a source.

Could some of them be implicated in his crimes?

Meanwhile, Alan Dershowitz (“He’s a bad person”) and

David Boies (“He’s a liar”) are already at war over the case.

Jeffrey Epstein case is an asteroid poised to strike the elite world in which he moved.

No one can yet say precisely how large it is.

But as the number of women who’ve accused the financier (at least, that’s what he claimed to be) of sexual assault grows to grotesque levels—there are said to be more than 50 women who are potential victims—

a wave of panic is rippling through Manhattan, DC, and Palm Beach,

as Epstein’s former friends and associates rush to distance themselves,

while gossiping about who might be ensnared.

The questions about Epstein are metastasizing much faster than they can be answered:

Who knew what about Epstein’s alleged abuse?

How, and from whom, did Epstein get his supposed $500 million fortune?

Why did Acosta grant Epstein an outrageously lenient non-prosecution agreement?

(And what does it mean that Acosta was reportedly (https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-played-out-for-years-in-plain-sight) told Epstein “belonged to intelligence”?)

But among the most pressing queries is which other famous people might be exposed for committing sex crimes.

“There were other business associates of Mr. Epstein’s

who engaged in improper sexual misconduct at one or more of his homes.

We do know that,”

“In due time the names are going to start coming out.”

Likely within days, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will release almost 2,000 pages of documents

that could reveal sexual abuse by

“numerous prominent American politicians,

powerful business executives,

foreign presidents,

a well-known prime minister,

and other world leaders,”

The documents were filed during a civil defamation lawsuit brought by Epstein

accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre, a former Mar-a-Lago locker-room attendant,

against Epstein’s former girlfriend and alleged madam, Ghislaine Maxwell.

“Nobody who was around Epstein a lot is going to have an easy time now.

It’s all going to come out,”

“It’s going to be staggering, the amount of names.

It’s going to be contagion numbers.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-case-grows-more-grotesque (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-case-grows-more-grotesque)

[TSA]

Sounds like Katie Johnson had bad representation.

She did have a duly deposed witness.

What did he say?

Did Maria ever turn up?

:lol "Katie Johnson"
:lol "Al Taylor"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-rape-accusers-turn-on-each-other

[Pavlov]

:lol Lite looking hard for a semantical w for the Clintons.

An "association" can be the person you buy your groceries. That's not the same as having 21 phone numbers on file and flying a dude's private jet. And I also already qualified "guilt" as likely bad doings (especially given this pattern of associations).So guilt by association.

Glad you cleared that up.

lol derp

[boutons_deux]

None of the alleged victims ever formally charged Judge Moore with any crime.


... doesn't prove Moore wasn't, isn't a pedophile, at very least he's a creep who obsesses about teen girls many years under his age.

And it's fucking Alabama :lol

[Spurminator]

No. My point was that no one here can validate any of this. There is so much misinformation, ignorance and disinformation "out there" that anyone trying to assess and discern truth from deceit would need to work on said task full time (perhaps with 17 angry lawyers and the full investigative power of the FBI, CIA, NSA etc...).

So any sliver or shred of doubt will always be sufficient for any person here to hold on to their views. Folks on your "side" certainly behave this way as well and your abject refusal to believe the dynamic (as demonstrated by your second statement) is a symptom of that very problem. Ironic.

Folks on my "side" will let Bill Clinton rot if he's implicated in child trafficking or underage sex. Democrats forced Al Franken to resign his Senate seat over a pretend-groping photo, you really think there's going to be a mass of Democrats crying "fake news" in defense of Bill Clinton?

Franken. Wiener. Ralph Northam. There is simply no equivalence between how Democrats react to scandal vs. how Trump supporters react, and to imply so is ludicrous. Trump people will blame the media, blame the deep state, blame Democrats, cry "witch hunt," whatever it takes to deflect blame, taking cues from their commander.


For example, take the accusations that were launched against Judge Roy Moore in Alabama...

Your side never admitted that all of it was a targeted character assassination ploy. The timing of it. The salaciousness of the accusations themselves.

After his Senatorial bid defeat all of Justice Moore's accusers went away. None of the alleged victims ever formally charged Judge Moore with any crime.

YET every leftist here truly believed that Moore was guilty. Without evidence. Without any formal trial. Simply because it was convenient and allowed you all to justify the condemnation of what he stood for. Those on your side of the aisle clearly "refused to accept the reality" that we all knew that the allegations were nothing but a political hit. But hey it worked. And the tactic almost worked again during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. People are tired of that crap.

I don't really see what relevance Pedo Roy's scandal has in a discussion of whether Democrats will turn against one of their own, but glad you were able to get that out of your system.

[Pavlov]

Have the flight log manifests to Epstein's "pedo island" been verified as true..? If so, then the answer is that Bill visited over 20 times. Conveniently enough, Clinton would shed his secret service detail for said trips.

Several sites have a copy of the flight log manifests, but again it hinges on whether or not they are validated as true.

And even if they were true, leftist hardliners would never admit it.Give a link to one of those sites.

I'm willing to bet you simply don't know what you're talking about.

The flight logs prove he was on the plane for ~20 flights total.

Not one flight to Epstein's island.

So you go right ahead and show where you got your information.

Here's where I got mine -- the actual flight logs:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1507315-epstein-flight-manifests.html

It's true and you will never admit it.

[spurraider21]

Have the flight log manifests to Epstein's "pedo island" been verified as true..? If so, then the answer is that Bill visited over 20 times. Conveniently enough, Clinton would shed his secret service detail for said trips.

Several sites have a copy of the flight log manifests, but again it hinges on whether or not they are validated as true.

And even if they were true, leftist hardliners would never admit it.
flight logs show he's been on the plane. none of them show him going to that island, as far as i'm aware

[TSA]

flight logs show he's been on the plane. none of them show him going to that island, as far as i'm aware

Correct. One of Epstein's victims placed Clinton on the island in an affidavit.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/267173868/Virginia-Roberts-Affidavit?campaign=SkimbitLtd&ad_group=66960X1516588X753126cffb13455c466cc9df214 36492&keyword=660149026&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliate

[Winehole23]

:lol "Katie Johnson"
:lol "Al Taylor"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-rape-accusers-turn-on-each-otherYou entertain mere allegations as confirmed truth on other topics, but not this one.

One wonders what might account for the difference.

[Pavlov]

Quite a dearth of links from Trumpistas.

TSA must've finally gotten around to actually reading the flight logs since he shut the fuck up about those too.:lol

I'm all for bringing wrongdoers to justice, but you have to have, you know, actual evidence and not twitter wishcasting. That goes for Republicans and Democrats. At this point, the guilt by association applies just as much to Trump as it does to Clinton.

[Pavlov]

Correct. One of Epstein's victims placed Clinton on the island in an affidavit.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/267173868/Virginia-Roberts-Affidavit?campaign=SkimbitLtd&ad_group=66960X1516588X753126cffb13455c466cc9df214 36492&keyword=660149026&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliatePlaced him there doing what, TSA?

Do you believe her claim that Trump supporter Dershowitz raped her?

This is where TSA shuts the fuck up again.:lol

[TSA]

You entertain mere allegations as confirmed truth on other topics, but not this one.

One wonders what might account for the difference.

I entertain allegations until they are blown the fuck up like this one.

[Pavlov]

I entertain allegations until they are blown the fuck up like this one.Are you entertaining that Dershowitz rape claim you posted?


Yes or no.

lol TSA

[spurraider21]

Correct. One of Epstein's victims placed Clinton on the island in an affidavit.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/267173868/Virginia-Roberts-Affidavit?campaign=SkimbitLtd&ad_group=66960X1516588X753126cffb13455c466cc9df214 36492&keyword=660149026&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliate
interesting when an accused words are only accepted wholesale when the partisan optics are to your liking :lol

[TSA]

interesting when an accused words are only accepted wholesale when the partisan optics are to your liking :lol

I was just showing you where the claim of Clinton being on the island came from. You are free to call the victim a liar if you wish.

[Pavlov]

I was just showing you where the claim of Clinton being on the island came from. You are free to call the victim a liar if you wish.Oh, this one is a victim.

OK, you just accused Dershowitz of rape.

You just accused Clinton of....nothing....

lol TSA

[Phenomanul]

Folks on my "side" will let Bill Clinton rot if he's implicated in child trafficking or underage sex. Democrats forced Al Franken to resign his Senate seat over a pretend-groping photo, you really think there's going to be a mass of Democrats crying "fake news" in defense of Bill Clinton?

Franken. Wiener. Ralph Northam. There is simply no equivalence between how Democrats react to scandal vs. how Trump supporters react, and to imply so is ludicrous. Trump people will blame the media, blame the deep state, blame Democrats, cry "witch hunt," whatever it takes to deflect blame, taking cues from their commander.

I don't really see what relevance Pedo Roy's scandal has in a discussion of whether Democrats will turn against one of their own, but glad you were able to get that out of your system.

YOU claimed that only "Trumpers" "refused to accept reality" if it didn't suit their narratives.

I countered and asserted that EVERYONE here chooses to view the world with the partisan optics they have developed over the course of their respective lives. EVERYONE, including the folks on your side of the aisle.

Your statement is laced with denial that this behavior is intrinsic to us all. The fact that you choose not to see it, while lecturing conservatives about perspective and objectivity is laughable though.

[Phenomanul]

Give a link to one of those sites.

I'm willing to bet you simply don't know what you're talking about.

The flight logs prove he was on the plane for ~20 flights total.

Not one flight to Epstein's island.

So you go right ahead and show where you got your information.

Here's where I got mine -- the actual flight logs:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1507315-epstein-flight-manifests.html

It's true and you will never admit it.

Ok... I'll admit that the logs don't specifically show Clinton flying to the island. Much like it doesn't even show Epstein flying to his own property. Either way President Clinton was questioned about flying with Epstein and admitted to only being on 4 trips with him... but the flight log shows more... So why lie about it?

Flight Manifest - Excerpts

1st U.S. trip — not mentioned by Clinton

Feb. 9, 2002 — MIA to HPN (Miami to Westchester) — Flight No. 57 — Bill Clinton, 4 Secret Service, 2 males, 1 female, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], AP

1st European trip — mentioned by Clinton

Feb. 19, 2002 — JFK to EGGW (NYC to London) — Flight No. 75 — Bill Clinton, Doug Band, 3 Secret Service, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen]

Feb. 21, 2002 — EGGW to JFK (London to NYC) — Flight No. 76 — Bill Clinton, Doug Band, 10 Secret Service, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Naomi Campbell, 1 male

1st Asian trip — (only one Asian trip mentioned by Clinton)

May 22, 2002 — RJTA to VHHH (Naval Air Facility Atsugi in Japan to Hong Kong International Airport) — Flight No. 100 — JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] — No Secret Service Listed

May 23, 2002 — VHHH to ZGSZ (Hong Kong International Airport to Shenzhen Bao'an International Airport in China) — Flight No. 101 — JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] — No Secret Service Listed

May 23, 2002 — ZGSZ to WSSS (Shenzhen Bao'an International Airport in China to Singapore Changi Airport) — Flight No. 102 — JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] — No Secret Service Listed

May 25, 2002 — WSSS to VTBD (Singapore Changi Airport to Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok, Thailand) — Flight No. 103 — JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] — No Secret Service Listed

May 25, 2002 — VTBD to WBSB (Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok, Thailand to Brunei International Airport) — Flight No. 104 — JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] — No Secret Service Listed

1st African trip — mentioned by Clinton

July 13, 2002 — GMME to LPAZ (Rabat–Salé Airport in Morocco to Santa Maria Airport in the Azores) — Flight No. 122 — JE, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], AP, CL, President Clinton, Doug Band, Mike, 8 Secret Service

July 13, 2002 — LPAZ to JFK (Santa Maria Airport in the Azores to NYC) — Flight No. 123 — JE, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], AP, CL, President Bill Clinton, Doug Band, Mike, 8 Secret Service

2nd African trip — mentioned by Clinton

Sept. 21, 2002 — JFK to LPAZ (NYC to Santa Maria Airport in the Azores) — Flight No. 136 — President William J. Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], [one or two illegible names], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Chauntae Davies, Andrea Metrovich, Doug Band, David Slang, Jim Kennery, Eric Nouncs, Rodney Slater, Casey and Laura Wasserman, Ron Burkle, Gayle Smith — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 22, 2002 — LPAZ to DGAA (Santa Maria Airport in the Azores to Kotoka International Airport in Ghana) — President William J. Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], [one or two illegible names], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Chauntae Davies, Andrea Metrovich, Doug Band, David Slang, Jim Kennery, Eric Nouncs, Rodney Slater, Casey and Laura Wasserman, Ron Burkle, Gayle Smith — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 23, 2002 — DGAA to DNAA (Kotoka International Airport in Ghana to Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport in Nigeria) — President William J. Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], [one or two illegible names], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Chauntae Davies, Andrea Metrovich, Doug Band, David Slang, Jim Kennery, Eric Nouncs, Rodney Slater, Casey and Laura Wasserman, Ron Burkle, Gayle Smith — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 24, 2002 — DNAA to HRYR (Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport in Nigeria to Kigali International Airport in Rwanda) — Same as above less Ron Burkle — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 25, 2002 — HRYR to FQMA (Kigali International Airport in Rwanda to Maputo International Airport in Mozambique) — Same as above plus Ira Magaziner — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 26, 2002 — FQMA to FACT (Maputo International Airport in Mozambique to Cape Town International Airport) — Same as above — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 27, 2002 — FACT to FAJS (Cape Town International Airport to O. R. Tambo International Airport in South Africa) — Same as above less JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Chauntae Davies, Andrea Metrovich — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 28, 2002 — FAJS to FACT (O. R. Tambo International Airport in South Africa to Cape Town International Airport) — Same as above less Gayle Smith, Ira Magaziner — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 29, 2002 — FACT to DGAA (Cape Town International Airport to Kotoka International Airport in Ghana) — Same as above add JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], JK, CL, CD, AM — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 29, 2002 — DGAA to LFPB (Kotoka International Airport in Ghana to Paris Airport-Le Bourget) — Same as above — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 29, 2002 — LFPB to EGGW (Paris Airport-Le Bourget to London Luton Airport) — Same as above less JG, SK [Sarah Kellen], CD, Laura and Casey Wasserman — No Secret Service Listed

October 1, 2002 — EGGW to LFPB (London Luton Airport to Paris Le Bourget) — GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], Nick and Edwina Simmons — No Secret Service Listed

Oct. 2, 2002 — LFPB to JFK (Paris Le Bourget to NYC) — JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Andrea Metrovich, Naomi Campbell — No Secret Service Listed

2nd Asian trip — (only one Asian trip mentioned by Clinton)

Nov.5, 2003 — ENGM to UNNT (Oslo Airport in Norway to Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport in Siberia) — Flight No. 228 — JG, AM, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Doug Band, 4 Secret Service, President Bill Clinton

Nov. 6, 2003 — UNNT to VHHH (Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport in Siberia to Hong Kong International Airport) — Flight No. 229 — JG, AM, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Doug Band, 4 Secret Service, President Bill Clinton

Nov. 9, 2003 — VHHH to ZUUU (Hong Kong International Airport to Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport in China) — Flight No. 230 — JG, AM, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Doug Band, IRA Magaziner (?), 4 Secret Service, President Bill Clinton

Nov. 9, 2003 — ZUUU to ZBAA (Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport in China to Beijing Capital International Airport) — Flight No. 231 — JG, AM, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Doug Band, [three, four, or five illegible names], President Bill Clinton

[Pavlov]

Ok... I'll admit that the logs don't specifically show Clinton flying to the island. Much like it doesn't even show Epstein flying to his own property. Either way President Clinton was questioned about flying with Epstein and admitted to only being on 4 trips with him... but the flight log shows more... So why lie about it?

Flight Manifest - Excerpts

1st U.S. trip — not mentioned by Clinton

Feb. 9, 2002 — MIA to HPN (Miami to Westchester) — Flight No. 57 — Bill Clinton, 4 Secret Service, 2 males, 1 female, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], AP

1st European trip — mentioned by Clinton

Feb. 19, 2002 — JFK to EGGW (NYC to London) — Flight No. 75 — Bill Clinton, Doug Band, 3 Secret Service, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen]

Feb. 21, 2002 — EGGW to JFK (London to NYC) — Flight No. 76 — Bill Clinton, Doug Band, 10 Secret Service, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Naomi Campbell, 1 male

1st Asian trip — (only one Asian trip mentioned by Clinton)

May 22, 2002 — RJTA to VHHH (Naval Air Facility Atsugi in Japan to Hong Kong International Airport) — Flight No. 100 — JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] — No Secret Service Listed

May 23, 2002 — VHHH to ZGSZ (Hong Kong International Airport to Shenzhen Bao'an International Airport in China) — Flight No. 101 — JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] — No Secret Service Listed

May 23, 2002 — ZGSZ to WSSS (Shenzhen Bao'an International Airport in China to Singapore Changi Airport) — Flight No. 102 — JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] — No Secret Service Listed

May 25, 2002 — WSSS to VTBD (Singapore Changi Airport to Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok, Thailand) — Flight No. 103 — JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] — No Secret Service Listed

May 25, 2002 — VTBD to WBSB (Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok, Thailand to Brunei International Airport) — Flight No. 104 — JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] — No Secret Service Listed

1st African trip — mentioned by Clinton

July 13, 2002 — GMME to LPAZ (Rabat–Salé Airport in Morocco to Santa Maria Airport in the Azores) — Flight No. 122 — JE, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], AP, CL, President Clinton, Doug Band, Mike, 8 Secret Service

July 13, 2002 — LPAZ to JFK (Santa Maria Airport in the Azores to NYC) — Flight No. 123 — JE, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], AP, CL, President Bill Clinton, Doug Band, Mike, 8 Secret Service

2nd African trip — mentioned by Clinton

Sept. 21, 2002 — JFK to LPAZ (NYC to Santa Maria Airport in the Azores) — Flight No. 136 — President William J. Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], [one or two illegible names], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Chauntae Davies, Andrea Metrovich, Doug Band, David Slang, Jim Kennery, Eric Nouncs, Rodney Slater, Casey and Laura Wasserman, Ron Burkle, Gayle Smith — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 22, 2002 — LPAZ to DGAA (Santa Maria Airport in the Azores to Kotoka International Airport in Ghana) — President William J. Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], [one or two illegible names], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Chauntae Davies, Andrea Metrovich, Doug Band, David Slang, Jim Kennery, Eric Nouncs, Rodney Slater, Casey and Laura Wasserman, Ron Burkle, Gayle Smith — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 23, 2002 — DGAA to DNAA (Kotoka International Airport in Ghana to Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport in Nigeria) — President William J. Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], [one or two illegible names], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Chauntae Davies, Andrea Metrovich, Doug Band, David Slang, Jim Kennery, Eric Nouncs, Rodney Slater, Casey and Laura Wasserman, Ron Burkle, Gayle Smith — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 24, 2002 — DNAA to HRYR (Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport in Nigeria to Kigali International Airport in Rwanda) — Same as above less Ron Burkle — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 25, 2002 — HRYR to FQMA (Kigali International Airport in Rwanda to Maputo International Airport in Mozambique) — Same as above plus Ira Magaziner — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 26, 2002 — FQMA to FACT (Maputo International Airport in Mozambique to Cape Town International Airport) — Same as above — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 27, 2002 — FACT to FAJS (Cape Town International Airport to O. R. Tambo International Airport in South Africa) — Same as above less JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Chauntae Davies, Andrea Metrovich — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 28, 2002 — FAJS to FACT (O. R. Tambo International Airport in South Africa to Cape Town International Airport) — Same as above less Gayle Smith, Ira Magaziner — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 29, 2002 — FACT to DGAA (Cape Town International Airport to Kotoka International Airport in Ghana) — Same as above add JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], JK, CL, CD, AM — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 29, 2002 — DGAA to LFPB (Kotoka International Airport in Ghana to Paris Airport-Le Bourget) — Same as above — No Secret Service Listed

Sept. 29, 2002 — LFPB to EGGW (Paris Airport-Le Bourget to London Luton Airport) — Same as above less JG, SK [Sarah Kellen], CD, Laura and Casey Wasserman — No Secret Service Listed

October 1, 2002 — EGGW to LFPB (London Luton Airport to Paris Le Bourget) — GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], Nick and Edwina Simmons — No Secret Service Listed

Oct. 2, 2002 — LFPB to JFK (Paris Le Bourget to NYC) — JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Andrea Metrovich, Naomi Campbell — No Secret Service Listed

2nd Asian trip — (only one Asian trip mentioned by Clinton)

Nov.5, 2003 — ENGM to UNNT (Oslo Airport in Norway to Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport in Siberia) — Flight No. 228 — JG, AM, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Doug Band, 4 Secret Service, President Bill Clinton

Nov. 6, 2003 — UNNT to VHHH (Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport in Siberia to Hong Kong International Airport) — Flight No. 229 — JG, AM, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Doug Band, 4 Secret Service, President Bill Clinton

Nov. 9, 2003 — VHHH to ZUUU (Hong Kong International Airport to Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport in China) — Flight No. 230 — JG, AM, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Doug Band, IRA Magaziner (?), 4 Secret Service, President Bill Clinton

Nov. 9, 2003 — ZUUU to ZBAA (Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport in China to Beijing Capital International Airport) — Flight No. 231 — JG, AM, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Doug Band, [three, four, or five illegible names], President Bill Clinton
So you're moving the goalpost to where now?

You're the one bitching about evidence of crimes.

You have none here.

Period.

Don't be a hypocrite.

[Trill Clinton]

https://i.imgflip.com/35vrbp.jpg


:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

​VIDEO: Trump & Epstein Discuss "Hot" Women at Party
https://youtu.be/4lNLOohNcnc

[Chris]

​VIDEO: Trump & Epstein Discuss "Hot" Women at Party
https://youtu.be/4lNLOohNcnc

Thanks Scoop.

[Reck]

Thanks Scoop.

Epstein good now

[Chris]

Just looking at 2 facts here...

1992. 7 years before Trump banned his ass.

Buffalo Bills cheerleaders are hot and I would look too.

Anything else is a conspiracy theory. : )

[Reck]

Oh it's one of Chris's but..but posts. :lmao

[Phenomanul]

So you're moving the goalpost to where now?

You're the one bitching about evidence of crimes.

You have none here.

Period.

Don't be a hypocrite.

LOL your first grade reading comprehension. I specifically said none of us can ascertain truth from lies, because these days any digital piece of "evidence" can be doctored to support whatever agenda the editor desires.

I specifically said the flight logs weren't validated as truth. But I guess you glossed over that.

But go ahead and pat yourself on the back. Twist my words... spin 'em.

'twas but months ago that you were raving about how Mueller's team had 'evidence' that would force Trump out of the White House. How did that turn out? A whole group of anti-Trump lawyers working two years straight, with an unlimited budget, all looking to trip-up No. 45, looking to destroy those in his inner circle and bring down his entire administration. In the end of the day all that matters is that he still sits in the Oval Office, and that they were unsuccessful. The fact that you others here still believe that Trump colluded with Russians to change the outcome of the 2016 Election is the utmost rejection of reality. Don't presume to lecture me about "moving goalposts" when your entire schtick is based on the abject denial of anything which you find inconvenient. Such as the fact that Mueller's team couldn't incriminate Trump with an actual crime - not one. When it suits your narrative your antics become asinine, annoying, condescending and childish to the point where people can't engage in actual discourse with you. It must be a joy being you.

[Pavlov]

Oh it's one of Chris's but..but posts. :lmaoONLY TRUMP SUPPORTERS CAN DECLARE GUILT BY ASSOCIATION

[Pavlov]

LOL your first grade reading comprehension. I specifically said none of us can ascertain truth from lies, because these days any digital piece of "evidence" can be doctored to support whatever agenda the editor desires.So you created a conspiracy theory because you have no actual evidence.


I specifically said the flight logs weren't validated as truth.:lol They're flight logs filed with the FAA. There was no reason to fake them.


But go ahead and pat yourself on the back. Twist my words... spin 'em.They didn't say what you wanted them to say, so you have to start a conspiracy theory that they are fake.


'twas but months ago that you were raving about how Mueller's team had 'evidence' that would force Trump out of the White House.Oh, so it's OK for you to flat out lie about what I said.

You're a hypocrite.

And a liar.

All the proof is right there in your post.

[Chris]

Oh it's one of Chris's but..but posts. :lmao

Show me the flight logs and witnesses that put Trump on the island. Chop-chop.

Media gave you a picture from 1992 and you ran with it because you have been programmed well.

Congratulations.

[Pavlov]

Show me the flight logs and witnesses that put Trump on the island.Show me the flight logs that put Clinton on the island.

[Winehole23]

It's alleged Epstein fucked kids in Florida, Manhattan and his ranch in NM as well, what's the obsession with pedo island?

There's an allegation reported in the last day or two that Epstein molested minors on while on work release in Palm Beach County, with local deputies posted at the door -- too bad Palm Beach County no longer has the logs.

Who went or didn't go to "pedo island" proves/disproves nothing.

[Spurtacular]

So guilt by association.

Glad you cleared that up.

lol derp

Troglodyte Chump.

:rollin

[Pavlov]

Troglodyte Chump.

:rollinYour description was absolutely guilt by association.

Feel free to try to say it was something else.

[Spurtacular]

Your description was absolutely guilt by association.

Feel free to try to say it was something else.

Sure, it's guilt by association on troglodyte terms. Nuance is for people on a higher level. Been explained, son.

[Pavlov]

Sure, it's guilt by association on troglodyte terms. Nuance is for people on a higher level. Been explained, son.:lol

What's the nuance? All you did was use different words to describe guilt by association.


lol derp

[ElNono]

For example, take the accusations that were launched against Judge Roy Moore in Alabama...

Your side never admitted that all of it was a targeted character assassination ploy. The timing of it. The salaciousness of the accusations themselves.

After his Senatorial bid defeat all of Justice Moore's accusers went away. None of the alleged victims ever formally charged Judge Moore with any crime.

YET every leftist here truly believed that Moore was guilty. Without evidence. Without any formal trial. Simply because it was convenient and allowed you all to justify the condemnation of what he stood for. Those on your side of the aisle clearly "refused to accept the reality" that we all knew that the allegations were nothing but a political hit. But hey it worked. And the tactic almost worked again during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. People are tired of that crap.

Not really. One of them actually sued him.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/367500-moore-accuser-sues-him-for-defamation

[ElNono]

YOU claimed that only "Trumpers" "refused to accept reality" if it didn't suit their narratives.

I countered and asserted that EVERYONE here chooses to view the world with the partisan optics they have developed over the course of their respective lives. EVERYONE, including the folks on your side of the aisle.

Your statement is laced with denial that this behavior is intrinsic to us all. The fact that you choose not to see it, while lecturing conservatives about perspective and objectivity is laughable though.

This is a typical case of something I can never understand about Americans: conflating political leaning with partisanship. What we develop over the course of our lives are political leanings. ie: we like social conservatism, or social liberalism, etc. Sometimes those leanings clearly align with the politics of certain party, and sometimes they do not.

Partisanship (or what you like to call 'partisan optics') is actually embracing the party over your leanings. Clear example: evangelicals voting for Trump. Or bernie bros voting for Shillary. It's actually abdicating some of your leanings and ideals for the good of the 'team'.

I don't want to single you out, this is apparently very common in the US for some reason. Sure, there's partisanship in other countries too, but somewhat to a lesser degree in my experience.

[TheGreatYacht]

This is a typical case of something I can never understand about Americans: conflating political leaning with partisanship. What we develop over the course of our lives are political leanings. ie: we like social conservatism, or social liberalism, etc. Sometimes those leanings clearly align with the politics of certain party, and sometimes they do not.

Partisanship (or what you like to call 'partisan optics') is actually embracing the party over your leanings. Clear example: evangelicals voting for Trump. Or bernie bros voting for Shillary. It's actually abdicating some of your leanings and ideals for the good of the 'team'.

I don't want to single you out, this is apparently very common in the US for some reason. Sure, there's partisanship in other countries too, but somewhat to a lesser degree in my experience.
Trumpster Logic
Bill Clinton: Guilty until proven innocent.
Donald Trump: Innocent until proven guilty.
The double standard

[Spurtacular]

Trumpster Logic
Bill Clinton: Guilty until proven innocent.
Donald Trump: Innocent until proven guilty.
The double standard

Nobody's gonna be proven guilty of any thing anytime soon if not ever.

[CosmicCowboy]

This is a typical case of something I can never understand about Americans: conflating political leaning with partisanship. What we develop over the course of our lives are political leanings. ie: we like social conservatism, or social liberalism, etc. Sometimes those leanings clearly align with the politics of certain party, and sometimes they do not.

Partisanship (or what you like to call 'partisan optics') is actually embracing the party over your leanings. Clear example: evangelicals voting for Trump. Or bernie bros voting for Shillary. It's actually abdicating some of your leanings and ideals for the good of the 'team'.

I don't want to single you out, this is apparently very common in the US for some reason. Sure, there's partisanship in other countries too, but somewhat to a lesser degree in my experience.

True...since the US developed as only a 2 party system it naturally forces some compromise of political leaning...

[Phenomanul]

This is a typical case of something I can never understand about Americans: conflating political leaning with partisanship. What we develop over the course of our lives are political leanings. ie: we like social conservatism, or social liberalism, etc. Sometimes those leanings clearly align with the politics of certain party, and sometimes they do not.

Partisanship (or what you like to call 'partisan optics') is actually embracing the party over your leanings. Clear example: evangelicals voting for Trump. Or bernie bros voting for Shillary. It's actually abdicating some of your leanings and ideals for the good of the 'team'.

I don't want to single you out, this is apparently very common in the US for some reason. Sure, there's partisanship in other countries too, but somewhat to a lesser degree in my experience.


Not really. One of them actually sued him.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/367500-moore-accuser-sues-him-for-defamation

Yeah, defamation is not tantamount with having committed a SEXUAL crime; it won't land anyone in prison. The suit will be thrown out as frivolous and or Democrats will up the ante and 10 more women will "come out of no where" and try to sway public opinion as soon as the 2020 Senate election picks up more steam. I know you weren't trying to be disingenuous about it, the point is all leftist leaning folks (since you feel bothered by the use of the party label) condemned him as a sexual predator when no evidence was ever presented to back any of those claims, 30 years after-the-fact, no less. Folks like boutons even chimed in on this page to assert the claim, again with no evidence.

WE ALL KNEW it was a political hit, but those with leftist leanings were content to let it all play out because it meant someone with Judge Moore's conservative leanings would not be occupying a Senate seat. They were fine that Moore's political opponents employed Machiavellian tactics in ousting him from a surefire victory. The grander connecting point was how Spurminator claimed that only "Trumpistas" would "reject reality" to suit their needs. My counter example clearly showed that leftists are very capable of employing the same tactic. I'm perfectly fine being honest about the dynamic, but many folks here are in abject denial.

[Spurtacular]

Yeah, defamation is not tantamount with having committed a SEXUAL crime; it won't land anyone in prison. The suit will be thrown out as frivolous and or Democrats will up the ante and 10 more women will "come out of no where" and try to sway public opinion as soon as the 2020 Senate election picks up more steam. I know you weren't trying to be disingenuous about it, the point is all leftist leaning folks (since you feel bothered by the use of the party label) condemned him as a sexual predator when no evidence was ever presented to back any of those claims, 30 years after-the-fact, no less. Folks like boutons even chimed in on this page to assert the claim, again with no evidence.

WE ALL KNEW it was a political hit, but those with leftist leanings were content to let it all play out because it meant someone with Judge Moore's conservative leanings would not be occupying a Senate seat. They were fine that Moore's political opponents employed Machiavellian tactics in ousting him from a surefire victory. The grander connecting point was how Spurminator claimed that only "Trumpistas" would "reject reality" to suit their needs. My counter example clearly showed that leftists are very capable of employing the same tactic. I'm perfectly fine being honest about the dynamic, but many folks here are in abject denial.

Moore was semi-dating teenagers on a regular basis. I can't say I feel sorry for him on the hit job. Dems may not be raising the bar on character; but Moore needed to go.

[Phenomanul]

So you created a conspiracy theory because you have no actual evidence.

:lol They're flight logs filed with the FAA. There was no reason to fake them.

They didn't say what you wanted them to say, so you have to start a conspiracy theory that they are fake.

Oh, so it's OK for you to flat out lie about what I said.

You're a hypocrite.

And a liar.

All the proof is right there in your post.

:dramaquee :lmao

You keep telling yourself that.

[Spurtacular]

:dramaquee :lmao

You keep telling yourself that.

Chump will ignore all non-official, not totally sanctioned evidence that goes against his side. Par.

[boutons_deux]

Today, Jeffrey Epstein will appear in court, for his first hearing and

the country will find out if he is cooperating with prosecutors.

Eventually, we might find out the source of his mysterious wealth,

because almost nobody has dealt with his hedge fund,

which significantly failed to match stock market gains, indicating his hedge fund sucked.

[Phenomanul]

Moore was semi-dating teenagers on a regular basis. I can't say I feel sorry for him on the hit job. Dems may not be raising the bar on character; but Moore needed to go.

The problem with this generation is that people now assume that "dating" someone means actively engaging in sexual activity.

For example, I never dated anyone who was younger than me by more than 2 years. It wasn't a stipulation or a check box, I just found that I had more in common with women in my age group. So that's how the cookie crumbled. But if someone is 27 and dating an 18 year old, who are we to condemn what they mutually agree upon..? And for the umpteenth time, no one was engaging in openly sexual activity. In fact, some of the women he dated, came out in support of Moore during that campaign; saying that he was the utmost gentleman when they had dated. Still not my cup of tea, but he didn't commit any crimes.

The whole ordeal was a political hit. That was the emphasis. We all knew it. But leftists refused to give up the valuable seat in the Senate and so they were fine that "dirty tactics" were being employed.

[boutons_deux]

"dating" someone means actively engaging in sexual activity."

As in Trash would have "dated" Ivanka, a fine piece of ass?

In Trash's mouth, date means fuck, which is why he "dates"

Even teens from Bible humping cultures fuck early.

In any case, whether Moore succeeded in dating/fucking teens many years his junior or not, his well-known, highly suspect obsession with teen girls is hardly an indication of healthy man "fit for office".

Reasonable to assume that he would have fucked if they agreed (or not).

[Spurtacular]

The problem with this generation is that people now assume that "dating" someone means actively engaging in sexual activity.

For example, I never dated anyone who was younger than me by more than 2 years. It wasn't a stipulation or a check box, I just found that I had more in common with women in my age group. So that's how the cookie crumbled. But if someone is 27 and dating an 18 year old, who are we to condemn what they mutually agree upon..? And for the umpteenth time, no one was engaging in openly sexual activity. In fact, some of the women he dated, came out in support of Moore during that campaign; saying that he was the utmost gentleman when they had dated. Still not my cup of tea, but he didn't commit any crimes.

The whole ordeal was a political hit. That was the emphasis. We all knew it. But leftists refused to give up the valuable seat in the Senate and so they were fine that "dirty tactics" were being employed.

It wasn't 27 and 18; it was more like 39 and 17 when he was already in a position of power. He could've been more prudent; he should have. But he didn't feel those kind of standards applied to him. And like I said, it wasn't just a one off thing; it was a habitual occurrence. Now don't get me wrong, the same leftists clutching their pearls are the same ones not condemning frauds like Omar and any other immoral leftist (cough: chump). But this guy is creepy all the same. And he's selfish; he should've stepped down when the jig was up; but he instead let Republicans take the hit as he added to his embarrassment.

[Spurminator]

YOU claimed that only "Trumpers" "refused to accept reality" if it didn't suit their narratives.

I countered and asserted that EVERYONE here chooses to view the world with the partisan optics they have developed over the course of their respective lives. EVERYONE, including the folks on your side of the aisle.

Your statement is laced with denial that this behavior is intrinsic to us all. The fact that you choose not to see it, while lecturing conservatives about perspective and objectivity is laughable though.


The grander connecting point was how Spurminator claimed that only "Trumpistas" would "reject reality" to suit their needs.

But that's not what I said.


Just because Trump sycophants refuse accept reality when it makes their leader look bad, that doesn't mean everyone is like that.

Nowhere did I say there aren't liberals who repress facts that make their people look bad.

We were talking specifically about criminal sexual allegations against Bill Clinton. I gave you several examples of prominent Democrats who were implicated in scandal and were abandoned by Democrats, and I've made the case that Clinton would face similar treatment. You haven't really denied that, so it seems that we agree on this point.

That Trump fans will fall on the sword for him against any credible allegations is not really debatable, and I can see you're not even attempting to make that case, so I'm glad we agree there as well.

Faced with these two facts on which you apparently agree, you've chosen to shift the debate into a broader discussion that people on both sides exhibit bias, and tried to claim that I somehow disagree on this. I don't. So we agree there too.

Good talk.

[Pavlov]

:dramaquee :lmao

You keep telling yourself that. I'm telling you that.

I never said what you claimed.

I'm calling you out. Find a quote where I said Mueller will put Trump in prison.

You won't. Because I never said it. You lied.

[Spurminator]

The problem with this generation is that people now assume that "dating" someone means actively engaging in sexual activity.

For example, I never dated anyone who was younger than me by more than 2 years. It wasn't a stipulation or a check box, I just found that I had more in common with women in my age group. So that's how the cookie crumbled. But if someone is 27 and dating an 18 year old, who are we to condemn what they mutually agree upon..? And for the umpteenth time, no one was engaging in openly sexual activity. In fact, some of the women he dated, came out in support of Moore during that campaign; saying that he was the utmost gentleman when they had dated. Still not my cup of tea, but he didn't commit any crimes.

The whole ordeal was a political hit. That was the emphasis. We all knew it. But leftists refused to give up the valuable seat in the Senate and so they were fine that "dirty tactics" were being employed.

"Dating" underage girls doesn't have to be illegal to be creepy as fuck and absolutely worth knowing about a candidate for UNITED STATES SENATE, dude, Jesus Christ. :lmao

[Phenomanul]

But that's not what I said.



Nowhere did I say there aren't liberals who repress facts that make their people look bad.

We were talking specifically about criminal sexual allegations against Bill Clinton. I gave you several examples of prominent Democrats who were implicated in scandal and were abandoned by Democrats, and I've made the case that Clinton would face similar treatment. You haven't really denied that, so it seems that we agree on this point.

That Trump fans will fall on the sword for him against any credible allegations is not really debatable, and I can see you're not even attempting to make that case, so I'm glad we agree there as well.

Faced with these two facts on which you apparently agree, you've chosen to shift the debate into a broader discussion that people on both sides exhibit bias, and tried to claim that I somehow disagree on this. I don't. So we agree there too.

Good talk.

Well it seems you are rational enough to agree on this. I will say that others in here don't want to meet anywhere in the middle on issues and insist that their viewpoints are completely right and never wrong. Those folks are extremely tedious and they are largely the reason why I don't frequent the political forum as often (also recalling the instance where someone here called my employer about the use of my time - which turned out to be a wake up call that validated the fact that some of the users on this forum are completely unhinged [willing to harm people's livelihoods]).

For the record, I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat by name and yet I can still agree with much of a political centrist position. I now lean more Libertarian, believe in self-accountability as the key for societal harmony, and don't believe that the government should be as controlling. The party label has less to do with what we know is “the right thing to do” than what people are willing to admit - because it’s easier for people to pretend like every one of our arguments comes from a place of truth and utmost objectivity rather than to admit that some of our positions may be flawed. Likewise, it’s easier to paint an opposing viewpoint as coming from a place of malice, prejudice, ignorance or bias because then it becomes easier to justify our own positions. Both of these behaviors are intrinsically hardwired in our DNA; to believe that our opinions are correct, because who knowingly would adopt an ideology or creed if they also knew that it was bereft of truth? Unfortunately, we can’t always see the bigger picture and therefore many people’s arguments come from ignorance (strictly by definition - not necessarily insulting people's intellect).


"Dating" underage girls doesn't have to be illegal to be creepy as fuck and absolutely worth knowing about a candidate for UNITED STATES SENATE, dude, Jesus Christ. :lmao

I clearly stated that Moore's preferences were not my cup of tea.

I simply find the timing of that whole circus ridiculous. In other words, he shouldn't have held any public office at all if he was guilty of any wrongdoing. He shouldn't of been employed as a public servant over the past 30 years. He ran several election cycles [two others to be exact] and never once did these allegations surface.

But because of our politically charged environment, where every Senate seat is worth its weight in gold, people wanted to legitimize criminal allegations against him. All of a sudden women popped out of no where to sway public opinion against his bid for that seat. And his political opponents swallowed it all up.

We all knew the charges were salacious and wholly inconsistent with themselves. We quickly understood that the allegations were never meant to formally charge him of any wrongdoing in a court of law - where the accused has every right to face his/her accuser. No, it was all a front meant to convict Moore solely in the "court of public opinion"... and it worked.

EDIT: At the age of 72, Roy Moore should give up his bid to run for the senate again. What I'm saying is that his quest for vindication is understandable - especially if those allegations were completely fabricated to destroy his character.

[Pavlov]

The statute of limitations had run out. No charges could be brought even if the women wanted to.

[boutons_deux]

Roy "I like teen-pussy" Moore was AL Supreme Court Chief Justice, twice, got fired first time, got suspended 2nd time.

AL's The Best People

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/1151923135677157379

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealJack/status/1151954459137851392

About to get real :corn:

[SpursforSix]

https://twitter.com/RealJack/status/1151954459137851392

About to get real :corn:

Good. Rip that Band-Aid off.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/RealJack/status/1151954459137851392

About to get real :corn:

Thanks Cernovich :bobo

[SpursforSix]

And I'll add...if you believe in false flags, then a big one should be coming

[Pavlov]

Thanks Cernovich :bobo:lol The Miami Herald made all this happen, dipshit.

[koriwhat]

:lol The Miami Herald made all this happen, dipshit.

cern filed first... :tu

[Chris]

And I'll add...if you believe in false flags, then a big one should be coming

Mass shooting or a 'Jussie Smollett' possibly. Anyone familiar with the Hegelian Dialectic knows about false flags.

[Chris]

Thanks Cernovich :bobo


cern filed first... :tu

M.Cernovich

[TSA]

cern filed first... :tu

You are correct :bobo

These files are being unsealed as a result of a lawsuit first filed by Cerno Media and later joined by the Miami Herald. Cerno Media sought to unseal over 2,000 records implicating Jeffrey Epstein and his fellow sex traffickers. The lower court ruled against Cerno Media. Cerno Media filed an appeal.

While Cerno Media’s appeal was pending, the Miami Herald filed its own motion to unseal the records, lost before the same judge as we did, and they appealed.

The Second Circuit Court of Appealed reversed the lower court ruling, ordering the files the be released:

Michael Cernovich, and the Miami Herald Company (with reporter Julie Brown) appeal from certain orders of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York (Robert W. Sweet, Judge) denying their respective motions to unseal filings in a defamation suit. We conclude that the District Court failed to conduct the requisite particularized review when ordering the sealing of the materials at issue. At the same time, we recognize the potential damage to privacy and reputation that may accompany public disclosure of hard‐fought, sensitive litigation. We therefore clarify the legal tools that district courts should use in safeguarding the integrity of their dockets. Accordingly, we VACATE the District Court’s orders entered on November 2, 2016, May 3, 2017, and August 27, 2018, ORDER the unsealing of the summary judgment record as described further herein, and REMAND the cause to the District Court for particularized review of the remaining sealed materials.

Due the to scrutiny Cerno Media’s lawsuit and the Miami Herald’s extensive coverage brought, Epstein was arrested for sex trafficking.

As the Second Circuit Court of Appeals wrote, Cerno Media led the charge on the lawsuit to unseal the records in the Epstein case:

On January 19, 2017, Cernovich, an independent blogger and self‐described “popular political journalist,” moved to intervene, seeking to unseal the summary judgment record, and Dershowitz joined his motion. On April 6, 2018, after the case had settled, the Herald moved to intervene and unseal the entire docket. The District Court granted each of these motions to intervene, but denied the related requests to unseal in orders entered November 2, 2016, May 3, 2017, and August 27, 2018, respectively. The Appellants timely appealed from each of the orders denying their respective motions to unseal. Although each Appellant seeks the release of a different set of documents, all argue that the District Court failed to analyze the documents individually or properly apply the presumption of public access to court documents. We therefore ordered that the appeals be heard in tandem and held argument on March 6, 2019. On March 11, 2019, we issued an order to show cause why we “should not unseal the summary judgment motion, including any materials filed in connection with this motion, and the District Court’s summary judgment decision.”8 The parties timely filed their responses.

You can support that lawsuit here.

https://www.cernovich.com/jeff-epstein-files/

[Winehole23]

Nobody's gonna be proven guilty of any thing anytime soon if not ever.Perhaps not, but scores will soon be dragged through the mud.

There will be furious accusation/deflection from all quarters, because the scandal will touch every corner.

[koriwhat]

so... who's the dipshit now? :lmao

[Reck]

:lol The Miami Herald made all this happen, dipshit.

:lol Remember that time TSA thought a pedo ring bust was because of Sessions and Trump even though they hadn't even taken office yet?

This is what happens when your life is so meaningless you think every little thing that happens is a vast conspiracy by the people you dont like. :lol

[Chris]

so... who's the dipshit now? :lmao

Simple Reck just signed up :lol

[koriwhat]

Simple Reck just signed up :lol

looks like it but then again he also buys into believing he can be a she.

[Winehole23]

so... who's the dipshit now? :lmaoanyone who thinks pedophilia is ideologically determined.

[boutons_deux]

:lol The Miami Herald made all this happen, dipshit.

If Jeffrey Epstein Faces Justice, It’ll Be Thanks to a Local Newspaper

The decline of regional news will lead to a golden age of corruption.

The hero of this unhappy saga,

aside from the brave women who came forward with their stories of abuse and intimidation,

is the Miami Herald reporter Julie K. Brown,

who stuck with this story for two years,

winning the confidence of the women and

exposing (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html) the shocking sweetheart deal that Epstein’s lawyers cut with then-federal prosecutor Alex Acosta

as well as the attempt by the office of Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus Vance Jr., to reduce Epstein’s sex-offender status.

https://www.thenation.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-julie-brown-miami-herald/ (https://www.thenation.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-julie-brown-miami-herald/)

[koriwhat]

anyone who thinks pedophilia is ideologically determined.

who said that?

[koriwhat]

If Jeffrey Epstein Faces Justice, It’ll Be Thanks to a Local Newspaper

The decline of regional news will lead to a golden age of corruption.

The hero of this unhappy saga,

aside from the brave women who came forward with their stories of abuse and intimidation,

is the Miami Herald reporter Julie K. Brown,

who stuck with this story for two years,

winning the confidence of the women and

exposing (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html) the shocking sweetheart deal that Epstein’s lawyers cut with then-federal prosecutor Alex Acosta

as well as the attempt by the office of Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus Vance Jr., to reduce Epstein’s sex-offender status.

https://www.thenation.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-julie-brown-miami-herald/ (https://www.thenation.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-julie-brown-miami-herald/)





no matter how many far-left outlets you post it still doesn't change the fact that the herald came in second place right behind cernovich.

[Winehole23]

who said that?lot of dedicated own side blocking ITT

[koriwhat]

lot of dedicated own side blocking ITT

what and what? own side? speak english winehole! :tu

[Chris]

what and what? own side? speak english winehole! :tu

You'll get vague hyperbole, and you'll like it.

[SpursforSix]

lot of dedicated own side blocking ITT

This. Too much whataboutism when the only conscionable reaction should be hang all these pedos.

[koriwhat]

This. Too much whataboutism when the only conscionable reaction should be hang all these pedos.

i'd think most would agree with your statement. am i wrong? did i miss something?

[Winehole23]

what and what? own side? speak english winehole! :tuFor example, TSA and Chris counting degress of separation from Epstein when comparing Clinton and Trump.

Can't really help you if you haven read through and don't see the motivated reasoning.

[Chris]

i'd think most would agree with your statement. am i wrong? did i miss something?

They're trying to say Trump is a pedo because of a quote where he low key buried Epstein. Also the picture from 1992 where they are looking at cheerleaders. This means Trump is a pedo.

[Chris]

For example, TSA and Chris counting degress of separation from Epstein when comparing Clinton and Trump.

Can't really help you if you haven read through and don't see the motivated reasoning.

^ my case in point and conveniently posted right before my post

[TSA]

For example, TSA and Chris counting degress of separation from Epstein when comparing Clinton and Trump.

Can't really help you if you haven read through and don't see the motivated reasoning.

You’re such a disingenuous piece of shit :lol

Who brought up Trump and Epstein being friends, was it Chris or me?

[Winehole23]

They're trying to say Trump is a pedo because of a quote where he low key buried Epstein. Also the picture from 1992 where they are looking at cheerleaders. This means Trump is a pedo.I wouldn't say that.

At best, the case for either Clinton or Trump fucking kids in connection with Epstein is circumstantial.

I say let the chips fall, you say, only if they fall on Clinton.

[koriwhat]

They're trying to say Trump is a pedo because of a quote where he low key buried Epstein. Also the picture from 1992 where they are looking at cheerleaders. This means Trump is a pedo.

it's concerning that he knew epstein but i have no idea how deep their relationship was. same with clinton and the rest...

as for trump being a pedo, i doubt it because his track record has yet to prop up a child but i'm sure i'll get the ol' cliche quote of his about his daughter in 3...2...1...

as for clinton being a pedo, i have my doubts but if that flight manifest proves more than him just flying around the globe it could spell trouble. he has a more concerning relationship with epstein but i have no idea tbh. i don't know any of these people personally, not clinton, epstein, nor trump.

i guess we'll let the chips fall where they must.

[Winehole23]

You’re such a disingenuous piece of shit :lol

Who brought up Trump and Epstein being friends, was it Chris or me?I brought it up because it's a mirror of what you do with Clinton/Epstein: throw out mere allegations or innuendo, hope it sticks and never cease from it if it makes the adversary look bad.

Poking you =/= shielding Clinton. Fuck that guy too, I never liked him. I certainly didn't vote for him.

[Winehole23]

You’re such a disingenuous piece of shit :lol

Who brought up Trump and Epstein being friends, was it Chris or me?Do you deny they were friends?

Even DJT admitted it, and there seem to be receipts.

[TSA]

I brought it up because it's a mirror of what you do with Clinton/Epstein: throw out mere allegations or innuendo, hope it sticks and never cease from it if it makes the adversary look bad.

Poking you =/= shielding Clinton. Fuck that guy too, I never liked him. I certainly didn't vote for him.

The allegations of Trump and Epstein are easily shot down as I’ve shown you repeatedly. You keep pretending Chris and I brought Trump in to the conversation.

[TSA]

Do you deny they were friends?

Even DJT admitted it, and there seem to be receipts.

What a good friend Trump was throwing Epstein out of Mar a Lago and being the only witness to cooperate with the victim’s lawyer.

[Winehole23]

The allegations of Trump and Epstein are easily shot down as I’ve shown you repeatedly. You keep pretending Chris and I brought Trump in to the conversation.you're transparently blocking for Trump ITT. I'm unsurprised if you don't perceive it.

[Winehole23]

What a good friend Trump was throwing Epstein out of Mar a Lago ...about that, I heard it was for sexually assaultung someone.

Why didn't DJT call the cops?

[Winehole23]

What a good friend Trump was throwing Epstein out of Mar a Lago ...about that, I heard it was for Epstein sexually assaulting someoneat the club.

Why didn't DJT call the cops?

What happens in the club stays in the club, right?

[Winehole23]

What a good friend Trump was ... being the only witness to cooperate with the victim’s lawyer.Trump is a reflexive liar.

I have no doubt he had good reason to cover his ass and lie to investigators. But sure, call it cooperation if you like.

[Chris]

Why should Trump call the cops. Doesn't the victim usually call the cops unless they are incapacitated? Someone is eager to blame Trump come hell or highwater. ^

"only witness to cooperate with the victim’s lawyer"

That was edited out because it's bad for his case.

Disingenuous is 100% correct here and I warned you about this troll.

[Reck]

what and what? own side? speak english winehole! :tu

You and Chris too stupid to understand plain English. ST Peakness right there.

[Winehole23]

Yeah, I addressed that other part in the post just above yours, Chris. Your man Trump couldn't tell the truth if he tried.

Y'all are alike that way.

[TSA]

Trump is a reflexive liar.

I have no doubt he had good reason to cover his ass and lie to investigators. But sure, call it cooperation if you like.

Lawyers from both sides agreed he had no involvement in the Epstein allegations.

[Winehole23]

Coming up on 11,000 falsehoods since inauguration day:

http://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/index.html

[Winehole23]

Lawyers from both sides agreed he had no involvement in the Epstein allegations.The prosecution against Epstein is ongoing.

[TSA]

about that, I heard it was for Epstein sexually assaulting someoneat the club.

Why didn't DJT call the cops?

What happens in the club stays in the club, right?

Trump wasn’t the parent of the girl assaulted. Do you know that the girl’s parents didn’t call the cops?

[TSA]

The case is ongoing.


No shit. They already said since he’s been in office he wouldn’t need to be called as a witness.

[Winehole23]

Trump wasn’t the parent of the girl assaulted. Do you know that the girl’s parents didn’t call the cops?Mar a Lago is Trump's premises. Did someone prevent him from calling the cops?

Lol TSA continuing to block for Trump, blocking for a pedo at his club.

[Winehole23]

No shit. They already said since he’s been in office he wouldn’t need to be called as a witness.Not sure what your point is, but thanks for making mine for me, as you continue to block angrily for DJT.

[koriwhat]

You and Chris too stupid to understand plain English. ST Peakness right there.

take that dick out of your mouth if you want to be heard.

[TSA]

Mar a Lago is Trump's premises. Did someone prevent him from calling the cops?



Ask the parents.

[Winehole23]

Ask the parents.Are the parents in charge of DJT?

[TSA]

Not sure what your point is, but thanks for making mine for me, as you continue to block angrily for DJT.

There is nothing left to block. Everything thing you tried I thoroughly debunked.

[TSA]

Are the parents in charge of DJT?

Now you’re back to being disingenuous. Have a nice evening.

[Winehole23]

There is nothing left to block. Everything thing you tried I thoroughly debunked.Actually, you've got that 180 degrees wrong.

Everything you've posted has confirmed my point that you'll go to the mattresses for DJT and smear his adversaries regardless of the evidence.

I'm not invested in who's a pedo and who's not, let the chips fall where they may, fuck all the pedos.

But you are invested in that. Very invested.

Very busy to deflect anything at all that might reflect badly on DJT.

[Reck]

take that dick out of your mouth if you want to be heard.

But...you just replied to something you didn't hear...or see in this case.

:lol Koriella the crackhead.

[TSA]

Actually, you've got that 180 degrees wrong.

Everything you've posted has confirmed my point that you'll go to the mattresses for DJT and smear his adversaries regardless of the evidence.

I'm not invested in who's a pedo and who's not, let the chips fall where they may, fuck all the pedos.

But you are invested in that. Very invested.

Very busy to deflect anything at all that might reflect badly on DJT.

You tried to smear Trump with accusations of pedophilia and were quickly thrown to the mat. I didn’t need to smear any adversaries to show you how weak your smear attempts were. You aren’t very good at this. Have a good evening.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealJack/status/1152001395303653376

Arkansas.

[Spurtacular]

Perhaps not, but scores will soon be dragged through the mud.

There will be furious accusation/deflection from all quarters, because the scandal will touch every corner.

Standard stuff.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/The_War_Economy/status/1151995823426699264
https://twitter.com/The_War_Economy/status/1151996618759008257
https://twitter.com/The_War_Economy/status/1151997719444987904
https://twitter.com/The_War_Economy/status/1151998512520781824
https://twitter.com/The_War_Economy/status/1151999370042101760
https://twitter.com/The_War_Economy/status/1152000192805101568

[SpursforSix]

i'd think most would agree with your statement. am i wrong? did i miss something?

What? I don’t understand the question?

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/RealJack/status/1152001395303653376

Arkansas.
do you think hillary capped her?

[Chris]

do you think hillary capped her?

I don't make light of the dead.

[spurraider21]

I don't make light of the dead.
do you think hillary had her killed?

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/RealJack/status/1152001395303653376

Arkansas.

Gonna make sure stuff stays buried.

Deep state doing deep state things.

[Spurtacular]

do you think hillary had her killed?

What do you think the probability is that Hillary had her or anyone killed?

[spurraider21]

What do you think the probability is that Hillary had her or anyone killed?
very close to 0%

[Spurtacular]

very close to 0%

Very naive.

[spurraider21]

Very naive.
to be clear, i'm not including government sanctioned stuff like drone strikes that she had a part in, in some shape or form.

referring to granny assassin theories like seth rich and now this gal

[Spurtacular]

to be clear, i'm not including government sanctioned stuff like drone strikes that she had a part in, in some shape or form.

referring to granny assassin theories like seth rich and now this gal

Okay. But there's a lot of smoke all the same. And you clearly haven't studied history and do not understand how prevalent murder is in the politics of high power to even put Hillary so far below the mean.

[Winehole23]

You tried to smear Trump with accusations of pedophilia and were quickly thrown to the mat. I didn’t need to smear any adversaries to show you how weak your smear attempts were. You aren’t very good at this. Have a good evening."I'm just sharing information.


"True or false, that it's been tweeted is newsworthy for this forum."

[ElNono]

Yeah, defamation is not tantamount with having committed a SEXUAL crime; it won't land anyone in prison. The suit will be thrown out as frivolous and or Democrats will up the ante and 10 more women will "come out of no where" and try to sway public opinion as soon as the 2020 Senate election picks up more steam. I know you weren't trying to be disingenuous about it, the point is all leftist leaning folks (since you feel bothered by the use of the party label) condemned him as a sexual predator when no evidence was ever presented to back any of those claims, 30 years after-the-fact, no less. Folks like boutons even chimed in on this page to assert the claim, again with no evidence.

WE ALL KNEW it was a political hit, but those with leftist leanings were content to let it all play out because it meant someone with Judge Moore's conservative leanings would not be occupying a Senate seat. They were fine that Moore's political opponents employed Machiavellian tactics in ousting him from a surefire victory. The grander connecting point was how Spurminator claimed that only "Trumpistas" would "reject reality" to suit their needs. My counter example clearly showed that leftists are very capable of employing the same tactic. I'm perfectly fine being honest about the dynamic, but many folks here are in abject denial.

You said the alleged victims disappeared. At least one didn’t, that’s what I merely pointed out. FWIW, the defamation suit is because Moore called her a liar, and she’s standing by her claim. There’s obviously a statute of limitations, she can’t possibly sue for something that happened 30 years ago.

Moore fired a lawsuit also allegedly against these women, with the claim you make. We’ll see if that goes anywhere. I think the presumption of innocence should apply to all these persons until proven otherwise.

As far as hit jobs, campaigns are ridiculous here. From Swift Boat to Trump himself, there’s really no low when it comes to political smear.

[Winehole23]

For someone who dishes so much you sure have a thin, ideological skin, TSA.

[ElNono]

Everything you've posted has confirmed my point that you'll go to the mattresses for DJT


You tried to smear Trump with accusations of pedophilia

:lol not even pretending to “just asking questions here”

[Winehole23]

I characterized the Trump/Epstein stuff as "mere allegation" and "circumstantial," but he can't get past that it was even posted.

[Pavlov]

:lol Remember that time TSA thought a pedo ring bust was because of Sessions and Trump even though they hadn't even taken office yet?

This is what happens when your life is so meaningless you think every little thing that happens is a vast conspiracy by the people you dont like. :lol:lmao Cernovich

[ElNono]

cern filed first... :tu


M.Cernovich


You are correct :bobo

Actually, none of you are correct. Dershowitz filed first, as the Plaintiffs correctly indicated when they opposed Cernovich filing:

https://snag.gy/SBEuwI.jpg

[koriwhat]

But...you just replied to something you didn't hear...or see in this case.

:lol Koriella the crackhead.

you take things too literal but with that said, i have no clue what crack smells like, looks like(i assume like that in movies/tv), where to buy it, nor what the high is like but i'm guessing you do?

a tranny hitting the rock... def not something out of the norm. right trannyReck?


What? I don’t understand the question?

just saying isn't it common among most to view pedophilia as the worst of the worst of crimes? i view it as so and wish everyone who is guilty of it, without a doubt, is hung or shot. no need to house rapists, murderers, nor pedophiles!


Actually, none of you are correct. Dershowitz filed first...

well damn... just glad the case against JE is reopened. :tu

[TSA]

Actually, none of you are correct. Dershowitz filed first, as the Plaintiffs correctly indicated when they opposed Cernovich filing:

https://snag.gy/SBEuwI.jpg

Actually, we were all correct. None of us were discussing the 3 documents Dershowitz filed first for and wanted unsealed to clear his name. We are talking about Cernovich's motion to unseal the summary judgement record, which Dershowitz joined.

https://s9503.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Epstein-case-unseal-cernovich.pdf

M.Cernovich

:bobo

[TSA]

I characterized the Trump/Epstein stuff as "mere allegation" and "circumstantial," but he can't get past that it was even posted.

Your mere allegations were shot down. Stop being butthurt.

[koriwhat]

Actually, we were all correct. None of us were discussing the 3 documents Dershowitz filed first for and wanted unsealed to clear his name. We are talking about Cernovich's motion to unseal the summary judgement record, which Dershowitz joined.

https://s9503.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Epstein-case-unseal-cernovich.pdf

M.Cernovich

:bobo

well damn again... :tu

[Chris]

Actually, we were all correct. None of us were discussing the 3 documents Dershowitz filed first for and wanted unsealed to clear his name. We are talking about Cernovich's motion to unseal the summary judgement record, which Dershowitz joined.

https://s9503.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Epstein-case-unseal-cernovich.pdf

M.Cernovich

:bobo
ElNono doesn't want to talk to the ol' ball coach after det one!

[Reck]

Being wrong all the time is like TSA's drug. He cant help it.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1152280367228829696

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1152280367228829696:lmao still pimping the picture of the wrong George Nader.

How incredibly gullible are you?

[Winehole23]

Your mere allegations were shot down. Stop being butthurt.I'm not hurt.

Not my allegations, but they did cause you to show your Trumpist ass, which is why I posted them.

Mission accomplished.

[Winehole23]

TSA still standing tall on mere allegations and circumstance in untold threads and even in this one, btw.

[Winehole23]

TSA dishes allegation, circumstance and innuendo all day long, but can't stand it when it happens to someone he likes.

Unfair!

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1152280367228829696Here's a picture of the real pedophile:

https://cdn.talkingpointsmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/AP18133714940342.jpg

[Reck]

Here's a picture of the real pedophile:

https://cdn.talkingpointsmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/AP18133714940342.jpg

Chris ghost mode activate!

[koriwhat]

Here's a picture of the real pedophile...

why do you think that picture of billy at sea has been circulating for yrs now claiming that's nader? i mean, i was fooled yrs ago and until recently when you said that wasn't the right dude i then ended up doing a search. now we're here a week later with the same confusion.

i wonder what's the end goal of pegging that other dude as this nader? maybe just a case of knowing the name and not the face? idk... either way, disgusting!

ps edit: is everyone in that photo with bill clinton identified? how about the dude with his back to the camera?

[Pavlov]

Chris ghost mode activate!:lol seriously. One dude is Lebanese and the other is Dominican. Somehow these people a slightly darker shade than lilywhite all look alike to Trump supporters.

[Pavlov]

why do you think that picture of billy at sea has been circulating for yrs now claiming that's nader? i mean, i was fooled yrs ago and until recently when you said that wasn't the right dude i then ended up doing a search. now we're here a week later with the same confusion.

i wonder what's the end goal of pegging that other dude as this nader? maybe just a case of knowing the name and not the face? idk... either way, disgusting!It's the same reason people keep saying Clinton took 500 trips to Epstein's island when there is absolutely no record of it . Repeat the lie enough and people will believe.

The dude's name is George Nader, but even a TSA-level internet sleuth could find out it isn't that George Nader.

[koriwhat]

It's the same reason people keep saying Clinton took 500 trips to Epstein's island when there is absolutely no record of it . Repeat the lie enough and people will believe.

i read 26 but i don't know for sure. this world drives me mad now that we're slap dab in the middle of the disinformation era. ugh!

[Pavlov]

i read 26 but i don't know for sure.That's the total number of flights Bill took between airports on Epstein's private jet. No flight log ever showed Clinton's taking it to Epstein's island.

[Winehole23]

i read 26 but i don't know for sure. this world drives me mad now that we're slap dab in the middle of the disinformation era. ugh!Trump hired Nader and the US att'y who offered Epstein a sweetheart no prosecute agreement.

Zero disinfo there.

[koriwhat]

Trump hired Nader and the US att'y who offered Epstein a sweetheart no prosecute agreement.

Zero disinfo there.

i knew that already but thanks. :tu

[koriwhat]

That's the total number of flights Bill took between airports on Epstein's private jet. No flight log ever showed Clinton's taking it to Epstein's island.

interesting...

[Reck]

interesting...

What is interesting? That none of the conspitard theories really pan out?

[Chris]

interesting...

There was a witness who declared Bill Clinton was at the island in a avidavit. I'm sure she was just making shit up. :tu

[Pavlov]

interesting...It's not a secret and completely verifiable since the FAA-required flight logs are available online. I'm all for taking down people who do bad things, but that just makes it doubly important to get the facts right.

[Pavlov]

There was a witness who declared Bill Clinton was at the island in a avidavit. I'm sure she was just making shit up. :tuWell, every woman who said Trump assaulted her was just making shit up according to you, right?

[koriwhat]

What is interesting? That none of the conspitard theories really pan out?

do the libtards theories pan out too? cough cough russiagate

[koriwhat]

There was a witness who declared Bill Clinton was at the island in a avidavit. I'm sure she was just making shit up. :tu


Well, every woman who said Trump assaulted her was just making shit up according to you, right?

interesting chris... and i can see your pov too pav.

guess we'll all just have to sit back and wait til the show starts to see the ending.

[Reck]

interesting chris... and i can see your pov too pav.

guess we'll all just have to sit back and wait til the show starts to see the ending.

:lol Sit back.

You do realize this is like a decade old news and flight log records have been available for the public to see for just as long, correct?

[Chris]

interesting chris... and i can see your pov too pav.

guess we'll all just have to sit back and wait til the show starts to see the ending.

2014.

Also:

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1151989703035371521

Totally normal behavior.

[Pavlov]

:lol Sit back.

You do realize this is like a decade old news and flight log records have been available for the public to see for just as long, correct?Folks are hoping that JE has video of Clinton and/or Trump, et.al., boning underage girls and not focusing on the crimes of JE himself and definitely not the victims of any of these crimes, real or imagined. He was pretty radioactive after that first arrest. He might have the goods on some people, but probably not the ones either side wants them to be.

[koriwhat]

:lol Sit back.

You do realize this is like a decade old news and flight log records have been available for the public to see for just as long, correct?

yeah but i don't go searching for that stuff. JE was a blip on my radar yrs ago and still today. i just hope justice is finally served towards him and whoever else was involved.

[Chris]

Speaking of disinformation, this was back in March:

https://twitter.com/maddow/status/976573777726275584

[Pavlov]

Speaking of disinformation, this was back in March:

https://twitter.com/maddow/status/976573777726275584You just posted a story that featured the wrong George Nader from a different hemisphere and you're now crying about disinformation?

[ElNono]

Actually, we were all correct. None of us were discussing the 3 documents Dershowitz filed first for and wanted unsealed to clear his name.

:bobo

:lol look at the quotes. Kori’s claim was that Cernovich filed first, not any specific documents.

Thanks for agreeing that he indeed not file first, Dershowitz did.

:bobo

[ElNono]

ElNono doesn't want to talk to the ol' ball coach after det one!

Chris do you have any more questions?

[ElNono]

I actually don’t mind Cernovich getting credit for filing to intervene in the lawsuit. Just correcting a misstatement/fake news.

[Chris]

Chris do you have any more questions?

Yes:


G9dSGaDad_4

[ElNono]

^^^ I didn’t think you did. You’re welcome.

[Pavlov]

Yes:


G9dSGaDad_4Why did you leave your lying story about Clinton and Nader up?

Aren't you interested in the truth, Qhris?

[TSA]

:lol look at the quotes. Kori’s claim was that Cernovich filed first, not any specific documents.

Thanks for agreeing that he indeed not file first, Dershowitz did.

:bobo:lol look at the quotes. We were discussing the 2,000 documents being released, not the 3 documents Dershowitz wanted unsealed.

1151954459137851392

Dershowitz joined the Cernovich motion to unseal these, its in the court documents I provided.

I actually don’t mind Dershowitz joining the Cernovich motion :bobo

[Chris]

:lol

[Spurminator]

:lol Cernovich

[koriwhat]

either way, at least JE has been taken down. :tu

[ElNono]

:lol look at the quotes.

:lol here's the quote:


cern filed first... :tu

You can take a look, post #135 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280568&p=9884339&viewfull=1#post9884339) in this thread.

Cool goal post move, I suppose, just doesn't work out. As already pointed out from the actual case files, Dershowitz already filed to join the case by the time Cern tried to join.

Feel free to argue with the court's docket :bobo

[ElNono]

either way, at least JE has been taken down. :tu

Exactly, Cernovich being a hack or not is ultimately immaterial to the documentation the prosecution collected.

[TSA]

:lol here's the quote:



You can take a look, post #135 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280568&p=9884339&viewfull=1#post9884339) in this thread.

Cool goal post move, I suppose, just doesn't work out. As already pointed out from the actual case files, Dershowitz already filed to join the case by the time Cern tried to join.

Feel free to argue with the court's docket :bobo

No need to look at post #135 when this was all about post #132 and no mention of the 3 documents Dershowitz was fighting to unseal, which is your goalpost move. :bobo