Is "Small Ball" about to end?

[LkrFan]

Pretty good article here
https://twitter.com/JADubin5/status/1154744427560210432?s=19

I don't think it is going away, but it won't be as prevalent as it is now. Not too many splash brothers out there to continue employing that type of lineup full-time.

Thoughts?

[DAF86]

Nah, at the end of the day, the teams fighting for all will be trotting out 4 perimeter players lineups in the 4th.

[Arcadian]

Did they change the 3-pointer to a 2.5-pointer?

[Spurtacular]

Did they change the 3-pointer to a 2.5-pointer?

[MultiTroll]

The Golden Phaggots could be a #7 seed and yet be much better after Klanus returns.
As always, they will need WarriorRef to title but they could still be a playoff challenge up to the WCFs.

[Spurtacular]

The Golden Phaggots could be a #7 seed and yet be much better after Klanus returns.
As always, they will need WarriorRef to title but they could still be a playoff challenge up to the WCFs.

They're not winning w/o Durant. That's been painfully clear for a while now. Even with him, they needed Warriorref in 2018 to get past Houston. In 2019, Houston just choked; but otherwise they could've gotten it done then, too.

[MultiTroll]

They're not winning w/o Durant. That's been painfully clear for a while now. Even with him, they needed Warriorref in 2018 to get past Houston. In 2019, Houston just choked; but otherwise they could've gotten it done then, too.
Championship? No.
But I could see them in WCFs if all went well with Klanus getting hot at the right time. He's an overated doosh for sure, but his hot/cold steaks.....when his shooting is hot he is a game changer.

But ya lets enjoy their downfall and their overated asses will become apparent to even some mainstreamers as next year goes on.

[Spurtacular]

Championship? No.
But I could see them in WCFs if all went well with Klanus getting hot at the right time. He's an overated doosh for sure, but his hot/cold steaks.....when his shooting is hot he is a game changer.

But ya lets enjoy their downfall and their overated asses will become apparent to even some mainstreamers as next year goes on.

Sure. The Spurs could be in WCF if things go right for them, too.

Either way, 2015 ain't walking through that door. Donkey, Claynus, and Wardell are the weakest Big Three ever, tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

It won't end until refs stop punishing traditional big men and coddling guards.

[Pelicans78]

Zion is gonna come in the league and destroy small.

By eating all the guards.

[phxspurfan]

Yes it is ending for sure. Guys like Unicorn, Jokic, Zion etc are proving that skilled bigs can still dominate (as they can go inside or outside). Also Giannis can be one of those if he continues to develop his jumper. No one can stop guys like that, especially when it's the playoffs and bullshit Curry chucking shots stop falling.

[lefty]

They're not winning w/o Durant. That's been painfully clear for a while now. Even with him, they needed Warriorref in 2018 to get past Houston. In 2019, Houston just choked; but otherwise they could've gotten it done then, too.
Lol the Rockets beat themselves in 18

I have ni sympathy for them

[Spurtacular]

Lol the Rockets beat themselves in 18

I have ni sympathy for them

Disagree. Rockets could've won Gm 6 or 7 in spite of the refs, but they didn't. It ABSOLUTELY took game management by the refs to get it done.

[DMC]

They're not winning w/o Durant. That's been painfully clear for a while now. Even with him, they needed Warriorref in 2018 to get past Houston. In 2019, Houston just choked; but otherwise they could've gotten it done then, too.

If the Lakers and Clippers duel, a healthy GS could beat the winner then who do they have in the East to worry about? They won before.

[Spurtacular]

If the Lakers and Clippers duel, a healthy GS could beat the winner then who do they have in the East to worry about? They won before.

That's sort of presuming GS is a strong 3. They're not, imo.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

“they could have won despite the refs, but didn’t. therefore, the refs are to blame”

Derp gonna derp.

Pretending I said something different. Slob's par.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Somebody will zag while everyone else zigs, but I doubt simply going bigger is it.

Bynum/Gasol/Odom type starting lineup days are no more tbh.

[basquetbol]

If an article or a post is asking a question the answer is no.

[Spurtacular]

So you’re owning your stupidity? Cool!

Going full retard won't get you the w.

[Spurtacular]

You said that shit, not me :lmao re-read your own shit, dumbass

There was no therefore 'mono's dumb shit narrative'. You making shit up won't get you real W's. It's the NFL thread that you're so proud of all over again.

[Spurtacular]

The refs are to "blame" in that they managed the game for the Warriors. In spite of that, the Rockets had their chance to win and blew it. Had the refs not managed the game, the Rockets would've blown them out and not had the opportunity choke, even. Just because the Rockets choked, the refs aren't absolved of their cheating.

You really lay off the grudge posting; it makes you play the idiot too easily.

[Spurtacular]

Rent free.

[lefty]

Rox had a good leas in game 7
Then the 3 stopped going in yet they kept chucking away and allowed GSW to make a comeback

[Spurtacular]

Stupid slob. My argumentation is quite precise and reasoned. You either trollin' your ass off or you're dumber than fucking blake; and that's pretty damn dumb.

[Spurtacular]

Rox had a good leas in game 7
Then the 3 stopped going in yet they kept chucking away and allowed GSW to make a comeback

Think it was Game 6 in Houston that the refs really had to go to work. They definitely gave the Dubs an assist in Game 7 too, though. Both games the Rockets should've still won, imo.

[DMC]

That's sort of presuming GS is a strong 3. They're not, imo.

They won 73 games without Durant. Same core.

[DMC]

Zion is gonna come in the league and destroy small.

By eating all the guards.

Zion is Big Baby Davis 2.0

[Spurtacular]

They won 73 games without Durant. Same core.

WTF are you smoking?

Barnes gone.
Bogut gone or effectively gone. '
Iggy gone.
Livingston probably gone or greatly diminished.
Claynus gonna miss most the season.

They're Donkey Mahorn and Wardell Nash and whatever other sh** they throw together.

[Spurtacular]

Zion is Big Baby Davis 2.0

You gotta be hittin' the booz pretty hard tonight.

:lol

[DMC]

WTF are you smoking?

Barnes gone.
Bogut gone or effectively gone. '
Iggy gone.
Livingston probably gone or greatly diminished.
Claynus gonna miss most the season.

They're Donkey Mahorn and Wardell Nash and whatever other sh** they throw together.

The premise was with Klay back. Then you have donkey, Curry and Klay. The other names are just shit players who got face time. Put other shit players around them and you'll have more face time names.

Take Tim, Tony and Manu... then you see the neophyte responses "yeah but they don't have Fabricio now" or "Finley left so they aren't good any more". It's never those guys and yet it's always those guys. The common factor is the big 3. If you can keep the core, you can put guys around them and the league is full of NBA level players, oddly enough.

They picked up D'Angelo Russell. He's a better player than Iggy, on offense.

[Spurtacular]

The premise was with Klay back. Then you have donkey, Curry and Klay. The other names are just shit players who got face time. Put other shit players around them and you'll have more face time names.

Take Tim, Tony and Manu... then you see the neophyte responses "yeah but they don't have Fabricio now" or "Finley left so they aren't good any more". It's never those guys and yet it's always those guys. The common factor is the big 3. If you can keep the core, you can put guys around them and the league is full of NBA level players, oddly enough.

They picked up D'Angelo Russell. He's a better player than Iggy, on offense.

Arguably when healthy, those guys are good for a 50 win season consistently. But do you really want to put them in the same class with Duncan, Manu and the other guy?

[Spurtacular]

They picked up D'Angelo Russell. He's a better player than Iggy, on offense.

Iggy was a much more complimentary piece on offense while being the defender they relied on in the last five minutes of games.

[midnightpulp]

Nope. Small ball literally can't end, since the mathematical advantage is too much for "big man" basketball to overcome. No title winning team since the 2014 Spurs featured a traditional 7 footer on the team in an important role. They'll have their role as the 4th/5th offensive option and a defensive presence, like Marc Gasol on the Raps. But the days of feeding the post and a great paint anchor spooking an opponent's offense are dead.

[Pelicans78]

Only way to legitimately end small ball is to move back the 3 pt line and removing the corner 3 in the process.

[lefty]

Think it was Game 6 in Houston that the refs really had to go to work. They definitely gave the Dubs an assist in Game 7 too, though. Both games the Rockets should've still won, imo.

Yup

[lefty]

Only way to legitimately end small ball is to move back the 3 pt line and removing the corner 3 in the process.

Or just remove the 3 pt line


Woooooooooooooooo

[DMC]

Iggy was a much more complimentary piece on offense while being the defender they relied on in the last five minutes of games.

That remains to be seen. Iggy was good, then. Iggy wasn't shit in the last series.

[DMC]

Nope. Small ball literally can't end, since the mathematical advantage is too much for "big man" basketball to overcome. No title winning team since the 2014 Spurs featured a traditional 7 footer on the team in an important role. They'll have their role as the 4th/5th offensive option and a defensive presence, like Marc Gasol on the Raps. But the days of feeding the post and a great paint anchor spooking an opponent's offense are dead.

This is why AD tries to shoot the 3. It's fucking hilarious to see these 7 footers do that, and only Dirk and a couple others can get away with it. Even Dirk drifted away from it and developed that unstoppable one leg fade away.

[Spurtacular]

That remains to be seen. Iggy was good, then. Iggy wasn't shit in the last series.

It was seen. Now it's over. Russell is no Iggy wing replacement.

[ezau]

The three-point shot is too rewarding to not take advantage of it. Only way 7-footers can become relevant again is if they can shoot the three and defend the perimeter. We would see more and more Kristaps as that's the type of big man mold that fits today's NBA. The days of Kendrick Perkins, Luc Longley, and Shaq are gone.

[LkrFan]

The three-point shot is too rewarding to not take advantage of it. Only way 7-footers can become relevant again is if they can shoot the three and defend the perimeter. We would see more and more Kristaps as that's the type of big man mold that fits today's NBA. The days of Kendrick Perkins, Luc Longley, and Shaq are gone.

You just put Longley, Porkins and Shaq in the same sentence. -500 points son. :lol

[ezau]

You just put Longley, Porkins and Shaq in the same sentence. -500 points son. :lol

Okay, Javier.

[LkrFan]

Okay, Javier.

:lol

[MultiTroll]

:lol
What's the story behind posters posting random Spanish names for you and then you giggling?

[LkrFan]

What's the story behind posters posting random Spanish names for you and then you giggling?

Estos granjeros son racistas. Odiando mi herencia. Intento reírme de ellos, pero estoy muy dolido cuando se burlan de mí para ser honesto. Me temo que si me enfado y les digo cómo siento que me reportarán a ICE.

:cry

[TD 21]

No. There's too much evidence that proves that offenses generally function more efficiently when initiated by a perimeter player and with lineups featuring a big wing ostensibly masquerading as the second big. Defenses generally function best with that alignment now too because of the premium on mobility.

But if ever bigs were going to reclaim some of their previous acclaim, this would be it. Davis, Embiid and some would say Jokic and Gobert, are all on contenders and are all either the co-best or clear best player on their respective teams.

Davis is the best of the bunch and playing with the best player of the bunch too. The Clippers have a better team, but an underwhelming interior. Prime Olajuwon/Duncan would swing this matchup. It'll be interesting to see if him, who's more like prime Robinson/Garnett, can.



Nah, at the end of the day, the teams fighting for all will be trotting out 4 perimeter players lineups in the 4th.

No, they won't . . .

- The Rockets always will

- The Clippers mostly will

- The Bucks and 76ers won't

- The Lakers could go either way. Depends on how Cousins bounces back and/or if they're able to acquire Iguodala or an upgrade at PG at some point because if not and the former even somewhat happens, their best chance vs the Clippers will be to play big and force them adjust by closing with Green instead of Williams/Shamet.

[Chris]

Somebody will zag while everyone else zigs, but I doubt simply going bigger is it.

mono projecting his homosexuality :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Estos granjeros son racistas. Odiando mi herencia. Intento reírme de ellos, pero estoy muy dolido cuando se burlan de mí para ser honesto. Me temo que si me enfado y les digo cómo siento que me reportarán a ICE.

:cry
Google translate is your friend I see :lol

[DAF86]

No. There's too much evidence that proves that offenses generally function more efficiently when initiated by a perimeter player and with lineups featuring a big wing ostensibly masquerading as the second big. Defenses generally function best with that alignment now too because of the premium on mobility.

But if ever bigs were going to reclaim some of their previous acclaim, this would be it. Davis, Embiid and some would say Jokic and Gobert, are all on contenders and are all either the co-best or clear best player on their respective teams.

Davis is the best of the bunch and playing with the best player of the bunch too. The Clippers have a better team, but an underwhelming interior. Prime Olajuwon/Duncan would swing this matchup. It'll be interesting to see if him, who's more like prime Robinson/Garnett, can.




No, they won't . . .

- The Rockets always will

- The Clippers mostly will

- The Bucks and 76ers won't

- The Lakers could go either way. Depends on how Cousins bounces back and/or if they're able to acquire Iguodala or an upgrade at PG at some point because if not and the former even somewhat happens, their best chance vs the Clippers will be to play big and force them adjust by closing with Green instead of Williams/Shamet.

The Bucks won't? :lol

Well, we can't keep this argument if you think Giannis is a traditional big, tbh.

[TD 21]

The Bucks won't? :lol

Well, we can't keep this argument if you think Giannis is a traditional big, tbh.

I'd classify him as a big wing, but he's definitely the most traditional big like of them. Not only does he possess all the requisite physical dimensions of a traditional big, but he does most of his damage in their habitat. That offensively it mostly comes off of dribble penetration is obviously what differentiates him from them.

[R. DeMurre]

Lineups will continually evolve-- if the Clippers win it all next season with a 6'9" Paul George at SG (he's likely really 6'10") and a 7'1" Zubac at center, the whole small ball thing will be open again for debate. Small ball isn't as new as some people seem to think. Here's the starting line up of the NBA champ '73 Knicks:

Earl Monroe G 6'3"
Walt Frazier G 6'4"
Bill Bradley SF 6'5"
Dave DeBusschere PF 6'8"
Willis Reed C 6'9"

Main Reserves:
Jerry Lucas PF 6'9"
Dean Meminger PG 6'0"

And this was a season that featured Wilt at 7'1", Kareem at 7'2", Bob Lanier at 6'11", etc...