11 people shot in garlic festival

[Trill Clinton]

like clockwork

1155651235187314688

[ducks]

Garlic is bad now

[Trill Clinton]

Garlic is bad now


innocent americans shot and ducks cracks jokes smh.

[TSA]

fuck....was up in Monterey all weekend and a few chefs I work with went to the garlic festival. Just got home and had no idea this happened.

[Winehole23]

innocent americans shot and ducks cracks jokes smh.Blithe cruelty is his SOP.

[DMC]

A security camera caught this guy entering the festival...

https://www.history.com/.image/t_share/MTU3ODc5MDg3NTA4Njk0MzQ1/vampire.jpg

[Blake]

Garlic is bad now

You're such a piece of shit

[Thread]

Can't be that bad...Meek & Joe made no mention of it first thing off this morning. Joe plugged his book & Mika tried not to age.

[boutons_deux]

Shooting At Brooklyn Community Event Leaves 1 Dead, 11 Injured

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/brooklyn-brownsville-shooting-old-timers-day-event_n_5d3d7410e4b0a6d63740ddb1?ncid=newsltushpmg news__TheMorningEmail__072919&guccounter=1

[spurraider21]

Can't be that bad...Meek & Joe made no mention of it first thing off this morning. Joe plugged his book & Mika tried not to age.
It’s pretty fascinating how much cable news dictates your world view, cub. You’re really that impressionable at your age?

[boutons_deux]

"a suspect wearing tactical gear and armed with an assault rifle opened fire"

OBVIOUSLY, he's antifa! :lol

Lots of Hispanics in that agricultural area, at an agricultural/garlic festival. Prime target for antifa, right?

Dead shooter, aka "suspect" :lol ,has been identified, but no name, or affiliation, yet. Law enforcement gibberish is hilarious, very much like airline gibberish.

[ducks]

Your conceal permit can let you drive in cal with a gun but bullets must be in a different place locked in car. For things like this make sense right mr governor!
Oh wait he is too busy hating trump to help cal

[DeadlyDynasty]

So much for that "states with the most gun laws have the fewest gun deaths" theory

[boutons_deux]

William Legan, 19

[Thread]

It’s pretty fascinating how much cable news dictates your world view, cub. You’re really that impressionable at your age?

I like to see 'em have to take it & suffer. This is as good as it's gonna get & it will never get this good again.

[Thread]

Your conceal permit can let you drive in cal with a gun but bullets must be in a different place locked in car. For things like this make sense right mr governor!
Oh wait he is too busy hating trump to help cal

Yep.

[boutons_deux]

"For things like this make sense right mr governor!"

LE killed the kid in one minute after responding. didn't need one of you sicko civilian gun fellators

[Pavlov]

So much for that "states with the most gun laws have the fewest gun deaths" theory

This put them over the top or something?

[boutons_deux]

State
Rate
Deaths


Massachusetts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts) (MA)
3.4
242


Rhode Island (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island) (RI)
4.1
49


New York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_(state)) (NY)
4.4
900


Hawaii (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii) (HI)
4.5
66


Connecticut (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut) (CT)
4.6
172


New Jersey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey) (NJ)
5.5
485


Minnesota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota) (MN)
7.6
432


California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California) (CA)
7.9
3,184


Maine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine) (ME)
8.3
123


Washington (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_(state)) (WA)
9
686


Nebraska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska) (NE)
9.1
171


Iowa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa) (IA)
9.2
288


New Hampshire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire) (NH)
9.3
132


Delaware (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware) (DE)
11
111


Vermont (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont) (VT)
11.1
78


Wisconsin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin) (WI)
11.4
664


Illinois (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois) (IL)
11.7
1,490


Maryland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland) (MD)
11.9
707


North Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dakota) (ND)
11.9
90


Oregon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon) (OR)
11.9
513


Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania) (PA)
12
1,555


Texas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas) (TX)
12.1
3,353


Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia) (VA)
12.1
1,049


Michigan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan) (MI)
12.3
1,230


Florida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida) (FL)
12.6
2,704


Ohio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio) (OH)
12.9
1,524


Utah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah) (UT)
12.9
370


Kansas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas) (KS)
13.4
383


South Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota) (SD)
13.4
108


North Carolina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina) (NC)
13.7
1,409


Colorado (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado) (CO)
14.3
812


Idaho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho) (ID)
14.6
242


Georgia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(U.S._state)) (GA)
15
1,571


Indiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana) (IN)
15
997


Arizona (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona) (AZ)
15.2
1,094


Nevada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada) (NV)
16.8
498


Tennessee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee) (TN)
17.1
1,148


Wyoming (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming) (WY)
17.4
101


Kentucky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky) (KY)
17.5
772


West Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia) (WV)
17.5
332


South Carolina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina) (SC)
17.7
891


Arkansas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas) (AR)
17.8
541


New Mexico (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico) (NM)
18.1
383


Montana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana) (MT)
18.9
194


Missouri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri) (MO)
19
1,144


Oklahoma (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma) (OK)
19.6
766


Mississippi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi) (MS)
19.9
587


Louisiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana) (LA)
21.3
987


Alabama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama) (AL)
21.5
1,046


Alaska (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska) (AK)
23.3
177

[Splits]

https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/status/1155871635548921856?s=21

[TSA]

William Legan, 19

Santino William Legan
Iranian/Italian

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/status/1155871635548921856?s=21

“Why overcrowd towns and pave more open space to make room for hordes of mestizos and Silicon Valley white twats?”-Santino William Legan

[Spurtacular]

William Legan, 19

Another incel product of the liberal school system.

[Trill Clinton]

damn

1155716524482519040

[Pavlov]

Santino William Legan
Iranian/ItalianSo....ANTIFA or ISIS?

Call your shot.

We know those are your only options.

[Winehole23]

Santino William Legan
Iranian/ItalianIs it his Italian blood or his Iranian blood that makes him not white?

[Pavlov]

Another incel product of the liberal school system.What is your evidence of this?

[spurraider21]

So....ANTIFA or ISIS?

Call your shot.

We know those are your only options.
laguna beach antifa

DONT POST THIS PICTURE THAT WE ARE POSTING

[Trill Clinton]

“Why overcrowd towns and pave more open space to make room for hordes of mestizos and Silicon Valley white twats?”-Santino William Legan


he also cited the white supremacist book 'might is right' by ragnar redbeard, a noted white supremacist and incel author.


According to the book Modern Satanism: Anatomy of a Subculture, Might Is Right by Ragnar Redbeard was authored under a pseudonym. It is purported to expand on Friedrich Nietzsche’s “theories of master–slave morality and herd mentality …”
The book is described as being akin to Social Darwinism and includes misogynistic and racist principles “claiming that the woman and the family as a whole is the property of the man and proclaiming the innate superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race. The book also contains many strong anti-Semitic statements.”

[Winehole23]

So....ANTIFA or ISIS?

Call your shot.

We know those are your only options.he did use the well known Antifa battle cry:


Read Might Is Right by Ragnar Redbeard

[Winehole23]

Santino William Legan
Iranian/ItalianIs it his Iranian or his Italian blood that confers immunity against charges of racial bigotry?

Asking for a friend.

[Winehole23]

Another incel product of the liberal school system.Sounds uber liberal.


“Why overcrowd towns and pave more open space to make room for hordes of mestizos and Silicon Valley white twats?”

[Spurtacular]

he did use the well known Antifa battle cry:

Disregard. Doesn't fit the chumpette narrative.

[Thread]

he also cited the white supremacist book 'might is right' by ragnar redbeard, a noted white supremacist and incel author.



He also was mighty peeved that the prices at the fair were so high. :lol

[Pavlov]

Disregard. Doesn't fit the chumpette narrative.What narrative are you pushing?

Oh, public schools where Ragnar Redbeard is required reading,right?

[TSA]

Is it his Italian blood or his Iranian blood that makes him not white?

Never said he’s wasn’t. Boutons didn’t post his full name, I did. Do you have a problem with accurate information?

[Pavlov]

Never said he’s wasn’t. Boutons didn’t post his full name, I did. Do you have a problem with accurate information?WAS HE IN THE CRYSTAL LEVEL?

ANTIFA or ISIS?

[Winehole23]

Never said he’s wasn’t. Boutons didn’t post his full name, I did. Do you have a problem with accurate information?What was the point of posting his ethnicity?

How do you think it is pertinent to this mass shooting?

[Thread]

What was the point of posting his ethnicity?

How do you think it is pertinent to this mass shooting?

We're hoping with fingers & toes crossed that it ain't a white man.

[Thread]

WAS HE IN THE CRYSTAL LEVEL?

ANTIFA or ISIS?

No, he was protesting the high prices at that fair!

[Pavlov]

No, he was protesting the high prices at that fair!That joke wasn't funny the first time.

[Thread]

That joke wasn't funny the first time.

It ain't a joke, it's in his manifesto, Pav's.

[Pavlov]

It ain't a joke, it's in his manifesto, Pav's.No. It's not.

[TSA]

What was the point of posting his ethnicity?

How do you think it is pertinent to this mass shooting?


Dead shooter, aka "suspect" :lol ,has been identified, but no name, or affiliation, yet.

[Thread]

No. It's not.

Yes, it is, even ahead of that book about white supremacy. John King said it,,,"He was mad about the high prices at the fair, and there was a book about white supremacy."

[Pavlov]

YesNo.

[boutons_deux]

So more WHITE BOY home-grown, domestic right-wing terrorist mass murders

[Thread]

No.

Those fuckin' prices are outrageous, Pav's.

[Thread]

So more WHITE BOY home-grown, domestic right-wing terrorist mass murders

You lucky thing, you. I was so hopin' for not a white-man.

[Winehole23]

So, is he white or not?

[Thread]

So, is he white or not , in your opinion?

I don't know, I fear he's white, but, I have to hear the decision from CNN. Then I'll be sure. I'm on pins & needles over here. At least the AZ State Fair will think thrice about raising price this year, by God.

"C'mon, Girl, we're goin' to the fair."

"But, Dale, you always complain about the high prices."

"It's all been fixed, honey-bun!"

[koriwhat]

Iranian/Italian but now he's "white" due to a book. Lmao

You white guilt losers here are so pathetic.

[Pavlov]

Iranian/Italian but now he's "white" due to a book. Lmao

You white guilt losers here are so pathetic.So he's just part white?
Or are Italians not white?
I thought Aryans were originally Indo-Iranian -- so is that not white now?

[Chucho]

Wow. A child is a dead and this thread is about people tying to force "the other side" to claim the shooter. Oh ST, never change.

[Pavlov]

Wow. A child is a dead and this thread is about people tying to force "the other side" to claim the shooter. Oh ST, never change.As a country we can't claim to care about dead kids now. That ship has sailed.

[spurraider21]

Wow. A child is a dead and this thread is about people tying to force "the other side" to claim the shooter. Oh ST, never change.
https://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com/

[Chucho]

Hey, as long as we get to blame an entire sect for one person's actions, who cares?

[spurraider21]

Hey, as long as we get to blame an entire sect for one person's actions, who cares?
its not how i would characterize it

id say the big picture is that easy access to lethal firearms is the more pressing problem to solve than taking an anti migrant/minority/terrorist approach

ie do we curtail domestic violence by instituting gun control or muslim ban? its easy and lazy to point the finger at a particular group of people sand say "see? THEY are the problem. we dont need to change our laws, just our demographics." And if people insist on playing that game, you can bet your ass people will emphasize all the mass shootings we see by conservative whiteys. it combats the trumpian narrative. nobody has ever proposed banning white people the way trump wanted to ban muslim immigration or curtail latin american immigration (not just illegal immigration, btw)

[spurraider21]

so if black guy or liberal whitey kills people... see? liberal ideology/rhetoric is the problem
if muslim guy kills people... see? terrorists are the problem
if typical whitey kills people... nothing we can do, mental health, maybe there should have been more armed security, shrug, do nothing, move on

or you take the even keeled approach and deal with the common denominator in all scenarios

[TSA]

its not how i would characterize it

id say the big picture is that easy access to lethal firearms is the more pressing problem to solve than taking an anti migrant/minority/terrorist approach

ie do we curtail domestic violence by instituting gun control or muslim ban? its easy and lazy to point the finger at a particular group of people sand say "see? THEY are the problem. we dont need to change our laws, just our demographics." And if people insist on playing that game, you can bet your ass people will emphasize all the mass shootings we see by conservative whiteys. it combats the trumpian narrative. nobody has ever proposed banning white people the way trump wanted to ban muslim immigration or curtail latin american immigration (not just illegal immigration, btw)

What do you mean by easy access? Are you speaking about legal access? How does a 19 year old in California legally purchase a firearm in 2019? What law could California have implemented to stop this shooting?

[ducks]

So, is he white or not?

Why the hell does it matter he has red blood

[Proxy]

So much for that "states with the most gun laws have the fewest gun deaths" theory

he got it in nevada

[ducks]

How many children are killed before born in USA millions
But this one killed now is a tragedy for some
All killings of kids are bad imo!

[ducks]

he got it in nevada


So
Any smart person would never buy a gun in California

[TSA]

he got it in nevada

Then he broke multiple laws bringing it into California.

[Pavlov]

Then he broke multiple laws bringing it into California.Then you moved the goalpost.

[boutons_deux]

Then he broke multiple laws bringing it into California.

Lock 'im up!

[Winehole23]

Why the hell does it matter he has red bloodA number of posters seem to be making hay, just trying to get them to unpack their own comments, so far with little luck.

[spurraider21]

What do you mean by easy access? Are you speaking about legal access? How does a 19 year old in California legally purchase a firearm in 2019? What law could California have implemented to stop this shooting?
legal avenues are too easy, and the absurd amount of guns in circulation also make illegal access easier than it should be

[Thread]

How many children are killed before born in USA millions
But this one killed now is a tragedy for some
All killings of kids are bad imo!

Cept those kids broiled at Waco, eh, Ducks?

[Winehole23]

Then he broke multiple laws bringing it into California.Be honest, you don't want to live in a country where the government has the power to enforce existing gun laws everywhere.

[Thread]

Be honest, you don't want to live in a country where the government has the power to enforce existing gun laws everywhere.

+ anywhere. This "government" is trying to overthrow our President.

[spurraider21]

just part and parcel of living in the US tbh

https://e3.365dm.com/19/06/768x432/skynews-sadiq-khan-london-mayor_4684520.jpg

[Thread]

Why the hell does it matter he has red blood

That's the not the point! Not here on this Board, nor on CNN, or, MSNBC. But, it was white's turn. Black shot up the last shindig. We're up, GD it!

[Pavlov]

TSA is just mass shooting whore now. He's bragged twice about knowing people present at shootings and hasn't given one thought that it might be, you know, a problem.

[Thread]

just part and parcel of living in the US tbh

https://e3.365dm.com/19/06/768x432/skynews-sadiq-khan-london-mayor_4684520.jpg

Nobody is forcing anybody to have a gun.

[Thread]

TSA is just mass shooting whore now. He's bragged twice about knowing people present at shootings and hasn't given one thought that it might be, you know, a problem.

We've always been keen to mass murder. It's just us. Look at how many at that overpriced fair flocked to the cameras to tell their once-upon-a-time. They ate it up on both sides of that camera. Then called home to have grandma DVR it. "WTF do you mean you don't know how to VCR it? We don't have a gd VCR, grandma. Fuck. Put Grandpa on!"

[Pavlov]

We've always been keen to mass murder. It's just us. Look at how many at that overpriced fair flocked to the cameras to tell their once-upon-a-time. They ate it up on both sides of that camera. Then called home to have grandma DVR it. "WTF do you mean you don't know how to VCR it? We don't have a gd VCR, grandma. Fuck. Put Grandpa on!"Yes,they really wanted to be involved in mass shooting that killed a bunch of people at a garlic festival.:rolleyes

[Thread]

Yes,they really wanted to be involved in mass shooting that killed a bunch of people at a garlic festival.:rolleyes

No, but, they did want to get to the cameras in the immediate aftermath.

[Winehole23]

+ anywhere. This "government" is trying to overthrow our President.Investigation isn't a coup. Neither are impeachment and removal.

All of these are powers derived from, and wholly consistent with, the US Constitution.

[spurraider21]

Nobody is forcing anybody to have a gun.
the problem isn't people being forced to own guns. it's people being forced to being shot by guns

[ducks]

If families had both sets of parents
Mom stayed home when kids were home instead of working and buying a babysitter to train kids
This stuff would not happen

[Pavlov]

If families had both sets of parents
Mom stayed home when kids were home instead of working and buying a babysitter to train kids
This stuff would not happenEric Harris says hi.

[ducks]

the problem isn't people being forced to own guns. it's people being forced to being shot by guns

Are people being forced to live in cal and not be able to open Cary or carry to defund
Almost impossible to conceal carry in cal
People open Carry all the time in az

[ducks]

I know at the grocery store in Yuma 5 people who were open carring
At 7:39 at night
No activate shooting went off either :makemyday

[Thread]

I feel a little better now, he referenced us whites as (twats). I can accept that if it gets my race offin' the snide.

[ducks]

People are idiots to live in USA where they can not protect themselfs
Boutons said it happened in 1 minute
Cops would not get there in time

How many more people have to die before cal get smart

[TSA]

legal avenues are too easy, and the absurd amount of guns in circulation also make illegal access easier than it should be

Guns have always been around. Legal access to them is tougher than its ever been. Gun laws aren’t being weakened. What other new laws do you propose that will stop mass shootings?

[Thread]

If families had both sets of parents
Mom stayed home when kids were home instead of working and buying a babysitter to train kids
This stuff would not happen

Amen. You ain't gonna run a 50% divorce rate for 75 years & walk-a-way from it.

[Pavlov]

Are people being forced to live in cal and not be able to open Cary or carry to defund
Almost impossible to conceal carry in cal
People open Carry all the time in azGun murder rate is higher in AZ.

[Pavlov]

Guns have always been around. Legal access to them is tougher than its ever been.Sure was tough for this guy amirite? Probably had to sign something.

[TSA]

Be honest, you don't want to live in a country where the government has the power to enforce existing gun laws everywhere.

wtf? tbh

[spurraider21]

Guns have always been around. Legal access to them is tougher than its ever been. Gun laws aren’t being weakened. What other new laws do you propose that will stop mass shootings?
reduce the amount in circulation. "not weakening" them is not the same as strengthening them.

ban private sales/gifts/devises with the exception of antique/legacy weapons. force them all to go through a backround check and be on a registry. if somebody wants to get rid of the gun, there should be a government sanctioned voluntary buyback option, with those guns being destroyed, rather than being re-entered into circulation. regulate the amount being produced. restrict sale of certain types of guns/accessories/ammunition. there are lots of incremental steps than can be taken.

[TSA]

reduce the amount in circulation. "not weakening" them is not the same as strengthening them.

ban private sales/gifts/devises with the exception of antique/legacy weapons. force them all to go through a backround check and be on a registry. if somebody wants to get rid of the gun, there should be a government sanctioned voluntary buyback option, with those guns being destroyed, rather than being re-entered into circulation. regulate the amount being produced. restrict sale of certain types of guns/accessories/ammunition. there are lots of incremental steps than can be taken.

Overall gun laws get stronger every year. I don’t think your proposals would do much at all to stop mass shootings. I don’t have the answer to stopping them but I believe it lies within mental health, media coverage/social media.

[boutons_deux]

Too late for local-only gun laws (eg, Chicago) when America is saturated with guns meant to maintain BigGun profits.

[Chucho]

It's not guns. It's people. It's not Dems/Repubs, it's Muricans. There's something wrong with our culture and we're too chicken shit to address it and accept responsibility. We're half way there, but the division isn't "good vs. bad", it's Blue vs. Red and the people who try and align morality with political stance. Muricans do not like to accept responsibility for our faults as an entire culture...unless it's decades and centuries old and pointless to dress down what we can't change.

[ElNono]

Stopping mass shootings shouldn’t be the immediate goal. It should be to lower the damage and loss of life from them.

It’s like cancer, tbh, because we can’t cure it, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t continue to develop drugs that give cancer patients a more solid quality of life.

[spurraider21]

Overall gun laws get stronger every year. I don’t think your proposals would do much at all to stop mass shootings. I don’t have the answer to stopping them but I believe it lies within mental health, media coverage/social media.
doesn't have to be either/or

[TSA]

doesn't have to be either/or

Gun laws have gotten stronger year after year and the frequency of mass shootings goes undeterred. It’s definitely one over the other. People are way more fucked up now, the question is why. Figure that out, address it, and then you’ll finally see a drop in frequency.

[Pavlov]

Gun laws have gotten stronger year after year and the frequency of mass shootings goes undeterred. It’s definitely one over the other. People are way more fucked up now, the question is why. Figure that out, address it, and then you’ll finally see a drop in frequency.NEVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE GUNS

EVER

[Blake]

All killings of kids are bad imo!

Gee ducks what a hardball opinion.

[spurraider21]

Gun laws have gotten stronger year after year and the frequency of mass shootings goes undeterred. It’s definitely one over the other. People are way more fucked up now, the question is why. Figure that out, address it, and then you’ll finally see a drop in frequency.
crazy guys are indeed dangerous. crazy guys with assault rifles are even more dangerous. it's not an either/or

[TSA]

crazy guys are indeed dangerous. crazy guys with assault rifles are even more dangerous. it's not an either/orI don’t believe there’s ever been a mass shooting with an assault rifle.

Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?

[spurraider21]

I don’t believe there’s ever been a mass shooting with an assault rifle.

Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?
not interested in a conversation of technical jargon. you know what i meant, given the weapons used in mass shootings in recent years.

so i'll restate

crazy guys are indeed dangerous. crazy guys with AR-15's (or weapons of similar function) are even more dangerous

[ElNono]

I don’t believe there’s ever been a mass shooting with an assault rifle.

Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?

I’m not sure about that. I do think news spread quicker/wider now.

[Pavlov]

I don’t believe there’s ever been a mass shooting with an assault rifle.
And now we will get bogged down in technicalities and jargon.

[Pavlov]

Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?Did we always have five guns for every four people in the US?

[TSA]

I’m not sure about that. I do think news spread quicker/wider now.

Wikipedia lists a total of 15 mass shootings for the entire decade of the 70s.

[TSA]

not interested in a conversation of technical jargon. you know what i meant, given the weapons used in mass shootings in recent years.

so i'll restate

crazy guys are indeed dangerous. crazy guys with AR-15's (or weapons of similar function) are even more dangerous

Ok.

Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?

[spurraider21]

Ok.

Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?
its a legitimate question. i don't think gun control is a one size fits all concern. i would maybe start with making mental health more accessible and cheaper. cutting federal funding to said programs, or scaling back funding to the national institute of health, is probably a poor start. but you actually have to propose a plan and enact it. not just vaguely say "we have to address mental health" and end the conversation

as long as we have crazy people around, i'd rather they weren't so easily armed with weapons that are designed to kill as many people as possible. if we've reached a time where all such concerns have been addressed, laxing regulation could be revisited

[Pavlov]

Ok.

Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?Back in the 70s, 50% of households owned guns. Now it's hovering around 30%, so the insanity is more concentrated in the households with guns.

[Winehole23]

wtf? tbhA government with the power to enforce all gun laws (indeed, any kind of law) everywhere might interfere intolerably in everyday life.

Any government with the power and the will to enforce conformity with law everywhere, conduces to general unfreedom.

[TSA]

A government with the power to enforce all gun laws (indeed, any kind of law) everywhere might interfere intolerably in everyday life.

Any government with the power and the will to enforce conformity with law everywhere, conduces to general unfreedom.

I live in a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country and I’ve never felt my everyday life interfered with...minus not being able to easily get a CCW, but I choose to stay where I’m at.

[Chucho]

Ok.

Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?

It's a sign of the culture and times we live in. Every law and policy put in place since then should, hypothetically, make everything "safer", the trend is going the other way. We're a society that likes to do what we want to do and don't want to accept it. It's easier to blame something rather than the entirety that is "us".

[TSA]

its a legitimate question. i don't think gun control is a one size fits all concern. i would maybe start with making mental health more accessible and cheaper. cutting federal funding to said programs, or scaling back funding to the national institute of health, is probably a poor start. but you actually have to propose a plan and enact it. not just vaguely say "we have to address mental health" and end the conversation

as long as we have crazy people around, i'd rather they weren't so easily armed with weapons that are designed to kill as many people as possible. if we've reached a time where all such concerns have been addressed, laxing regulation could be revisited

Easiest to start with would be a blackout on media coverage. Report the incident, don’t name the shooter, don’t show shooter’s face, don’t show coverage of the shooting. Basically don’t make them famous. School shooters taken alive have basically admitted to masturbating to the Columbine videos.

[TSA]

It's a sign of the culture and times we live in. Every law and policy put in place since then should, hypothetically, make everything "safer", the trend is going the other way. We're a society that likes to do what we want to do and don't want to accept it. It's easier to blame something rather than the entirety that is "us".

Agreed

[Chucho]

I live in a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country and I’ve never felt my everyday life interfered with...minus not being able to easily get a CCW, but I choose to stay where I’m at.

I live here too. Since moving here, I've accumulated (100% legally) an AK (x2), an SKS, a Mac 11 and had a Mac 9 (sold to get the 11) and a pistol grip shotgun. Nothing was hard beyond being impatient and waiting the 5 or 7 days you have to wait to pick your gun up. I've shot the fuck out of them and I've zero inclination to ever threaten anyone unless threatened first.

Even trading/selling legally is pretty easy here. Looking to trade one of the AKs possibly for a BAR. But, yeah, pretty simple and standard stuff to be packing here.

[Winehole23]

I live in a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country and I’ve never felt my everyday life interfered with...minus not being able to easily get a CCW, but I choose to stay where I’m at.It's a balancing act between liberty and piblic order.

Expecting all gun laws to be enforced without fail isn't a realistic expectation, nor is it even desirable, IMO.

Governments shouldn't have that much power.

[Pavlov]

It's a sign of the culture and times we live in. Every law and policy put in place since then should, hypothetically, make everything "safer", the trend is going the other way. We're a society that likes to do what we want to do and don't want to accept it. It's easier to blame something rather than the entirety that is "us".The trend for what? Firearm homicides have been trending down for decades.

[TSA]

I live here too. Since moving here, I've accumulated (100% legally) an AK (x2), an SKS, a Mac 11 and had a Mac 9 (sold to get the 11) and a pistol grip shotgun. Nothing was hard beyond being impatient and waiting the 5 or 7 days you have to wait to pick your gun up. I've shot the fuck out of them and I've zero inclination to ever threaten anyone unless threatened first.

Even trading/selling legally is pretty easy here. Looking to trade one of the AKs possibly for a BAR. But, yeah, pretty simple and standard stuff to be packing here.

California has had a 10 day waiting period since I started buying guns and that was over a decade ago.

[Spurtacular]

California requires a written gun test to acquire a gun, which I think is an affront to the second amendment. And it doesn't stop these liberal institution outcast psychos from killing.

[Pavlov]

California requires a written gun test to acquire a gun, which I think is an affront to the second amendment. And it doesn't stop these liberal institution outcast psychos from killing.How many guns you got?

[Chucho]

California has had a 10 day waiting period since I started buying guns and that was over a decade ago.

Yeah, there you go. Whatever the hell it is, it's the "worst" part of getting guns here.

[Spurtacular]

Ok.

Back in the 70’s you could have an AR-15 delivered to your house for under $200 and yet they didn’t have the frequency of mass shootings like we do today.

Why are there now more crazy guys willing to shoot up a random crowd of people?

There's some "crazy" conspiracy theories out there about that.

[Chucho]

The trend for what? Firearm homicides have been trending down for decades.

That's not what we were talking about. Feel free to back track a few posts.

[Pavlov]

That's not what we were talking about. Feel free to back track a few posts.I already said where the crazy seems to be concentrated. Households with guns.

[TSA]

It's a balancing act between liberty and piblic order.

Expecting all gun laws to be enforced without fail isn't a realistic expectation, nor is it even desirable, IMO.

Governments shouldn't have that much power.

I’d be happy if they would work harder on getting guns out of the hands of known felons possessing guns illegally. IIRC California has like 100,000 known felons in possession of guns.

[Chucho]

California requires a written gun test to acquire a gun, which I think is an affront to the second amendment. And it doesn't stop these liberal institution outcast psychos from killing.

That test is stupid easy and most of the places that sell you your first gun will even give you the answers, no bullshit. I was offered the answers the first pistol I bought here, my wife was too (at a different dealer).

Even you couldn't fuck it up, derp. With or without help. I seriously believe that.

[Winehole23]

Shooter isn't old enough to buy a beer or rent a car, but is old enough to buy a semi-automatic rifle.

How much sense does that make?

[Winehole23]

I’d be happy if they would work harder on getting guns out of the hands of known felons possessing guns illegally. IIRC California has like 100,000 known felons in possession of guns.Glad to hear you believe in common-sense regulation of firearms.

[Chucho]

I already said where the crazy seems to be concentrated. Households with guns.

Stats? Links?

[Pavlov]

Stats? Links?http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS%20Reports/GSS_Trends%20in%20Gun%20Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf

[Spurtacular]

That test is stupid easy and most of the places that sell you your first gun will even give you the answers, no bullshit. I was offered the answers the first pistol I bought here, my wife was too (at a different dealer).

Even you couldn't fuck it up, derp. With or without help. I seriously believe that.

It's a deterrent regardless of what you think about it.

[Chucho]

Shooter isn't old enough to buy a beer or rent a car, but is old enough to buy a semi-automatic rifle.

How much sense does that make?

That's a pandora's box of rhetoric to a lot of things that don't make sense in this country.

[Chucho]

http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS%20Reports/GSS_Trends%20in%20Gun%20Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf

The correlation between "Crazy" and gun ownership tho? I might be overlooking it, but where's the stat to support your argument? It's just a market research report on ownership trends.

[Winehole23]

That's a pandora's box of rhetoric to a lot of things that don't make sense in this country.Which is the greater threat to public order, a nineteen year old with a rental car, or a nineteen year old with a semi-automatic rifle?

Why does the potential liability govern one situation and not the other?

[Winehole23]

2nd Amendment goes part way to explain, but not all the way: access to firearms has always been regulated.

[Pavlov]

The correlation between "Crazy" and gun ownership tho? I might be overlooking it, but where's the stat to support your argument? It's just a market research report on ownership trends.The number of mass shootings by crazy people from de facto households with guns is increasing while the percentage of households with guns has been trending downwards the last 40 years.

The overall firearm homicide rate has gone down while the percentage of households with guns has also gone down.

May just be correlation and not causation, but the mass shooting crazy is in a smaller number of households -- the ones with guns.

Because there are guns in those households.

[Chucho]

Which is the greater threat to public order, a nineteen year old with a rental car, or a nineteen year old with a semi-automatic rifle?

Why does the potential liability govern one situation and not the other?

Not going to wager, but I think it's fair to say drunk driving teens are statistically more able to kill someone than a teen with a gun.

But, fwiw, that wasn't what I meant with my response. I meant that "why can't they do this but they can do this" line of reasoning in these times we live in is opening a can of worms as far as discussion goes with some people here.

[Winehole23]

Not going to wager, but I think it's fair to say drunk driving teens are statistically more able to kill someone than a teen with a gun.

But, fwiw, that wasn't what I meant with my response. I meant that "why can't they do this but they can do this" line of reasoning in these times we live in is opening a can of worms as far as discussion goes with some people here.Eh, fair enough.

I'm just spitballing. Conversations have to start somewhere, though I certainly agree they often go nowhere.

[TSA]

Which is the greater threat to public order, a nineteen year old with a rental car, or a nineteen year old with a semi-automatic rifle?

Why does the potential liability govern one situation and not the other?

Considering how few homicides are committed with rifles overall, and then just looking at homicides with rifles by 19 year olds, and then considering 16-19 year olds are the most dangerous group of drivers, the 19 year old with a rental car may actually pose more of a threat to the public

[Winehole23]

I expect you could be right about the actuarial truth of the matter regarding mortality, Chucho but that isn't what I referenced. I believe I asked which was the greater threat to public order.

How common are vehicular homicides committed by teenagers versus intentional shootings? Regardless of the ratio, it might be reasonable to restrict the access of teens to guns for reasons of public safety.

[Chucho]

The number of mass shootings by crazy people from de facto households with guns is increasing while the percentage of households with guns has been trending downwards the last 40 years.

The overall firearm homicide rate has gone down while the percentage of households with guns has also gone down.

May just be correlation and not causation, but the mass shooting crazy is in a smaller number of households -- the ones with guns.


Easy access is just one of the reasons, but you can't track or measure how many more people are prevented from shooting up a place just by not having access, that doesn't really denote where the "craziness" comes from and your your link doesn't state any of this to support your speculation.

What about street homicides. Those dudes aren't legal firearm owners, they're usually thugs because they are products of their culture. There's something inherently wrong in our society and it goes way further than whichever households own guns.

[TSA]

I expect you could be right about the actuarial truth of the matter regarding mortality, but that isn't what I referenced. I believe I asked which was the greater threat to public order, not mortality.

If we are including non-fatal accidents as well the 19 year old with a rental hands down.

[Pavlov]

Easy access is just one of the reasons, but you can't track or measure how many more people are prevented from shooting up a place just by not having access, that doesn't really denote where the "craziness" comes from and your your link doesn't state any of this to support your speculation.Not what you asked and not what I claimed.

I said the gun craziness is in the households with guns. And there are dramatically fewer of those households than the 70s.


What about street homicides. Those dudes aren't legal firearm owners, they're usually thugs because they are products of their culture. There's something inherently wrong in our society and it goes way further than whichever households own guns.Those crimes are trending down the past 20 years, so what went right?

[Winehole23]

If we are including non-fatal accidents as well the 19 year old with a rental hands down.It might be reasonable to restrict the access of teenagers to guns regardless of which is the bigger threat.

[Chucho]

Not what you asked and not what I claimed.

I said the gun craziness is in the households with guns. And there are dramatically fewer of those households than the 70s.



And you linked to something that doesnt substantiate that claim. It's just speculation on your part.

[Pavlov]

And you linked to something that doesnt substantiate that claim. It's just speculation on your part.How is gun craziness not in households with guns?

Legan was gun crazy. Legan lived in a household with guns.

[Chucho]

How is gun craziness not in households with guns?

Legan was gun crazy. Legan lived in a household with guns.

LOL, now it's "gun craziness". Its so simple and I never knew it!

[Pavlov]

LOL, now it's "gun craziness". Its so simple and I never knew it!What do you want to call it? Didn't you use crazed or insane at some point?

I'll use whatever term you want. It won't change where those people are. Households with guns.

[Chucho]

I expect you could be right about the actuarial truth of the matter regarding mortality, Chucho but that isn't what I referenced. I believe I asked which was the greater threat to public order.

How common are vehicular homicides committed by teenagers versus intentional shootings? Regardless of the ratio, it might be reasonable to restrict the access of teens to guns for reasons of public safety.

How many of the teenage gunmen owned the guns they murdered with? If someone wants something, they're going to do whatever they can to get it. This is why there is still mass gun violence on the streets and in urban areas. Kids can access a vehicle and booze a whole lot easier than they can a gun.

That said, I'm not trivializing the need to prevent teenagers from buying weapons or minimizing the issue. Just saying, especially in this society, people will do what they want if they want to badly enough.

[TSA]

It might be reasonable to restrict the access of teenagers to guns regardless of which is the bigger threat.

I’m not disagreeing, but it was you who asked which was the bigger threat.

[Winehole23]

How many of the teenage gunmen owned the guns they murdered with? If someone wants something, they're going to do whatever they can to get it. This is why there is still mass gun violence on the streets and in urban areas. Kids can access a vehicle and booze a whole lot easier than they can a gun.

That said, I'm not trivializing the need to prevent teenagers from buying weapons or minimizing the issue. Just saying, especially in this society, people will do what they want if they want to badly enough.All fair points.

That said, being unable to prevent the hell-bent doesn't mean we should do nothing to make it more difficult for them to wreak mayhem.

[Chucho]

What do you want to call it? Didn't you use crazed or insane at some point?

I'll use whatever term you want. It won't change where those people are. Households with guns.

You're equating gun ownership to crazy to frame it fit your speculation and there's nothing to support your speculation aside from correlation. There's correlation between LGBTQs and suicide. There's correlation between blacks and not wanting to work. There's correlation between a lot of political hot topics, but that doesnt drive the argument all the way home like you're trying to here.

[Winehole23]

I’m not disagreeing, but it was you who asked which was the bigger threat.Well then we agree.

[Pavlov]

You're equating gun ownership to crazy to frame it fit your speculation and there's nothing to support your speculation aside from correlation. There's correlation between LGBTQs and suicide. There's correlation between blacks and not wanting to work. There's correlation between a lot of political hot topics, but that doesnt drive the argument all the way home like you're trying to here.
No, I'm saying the mass shooters are people from households with guns. Period.

Full stop. That's where they are and that percentage of households has been shrinking while the number of mass shootings has increased.

What you make of that is your deal. But these people are where they are and that's where their guns are.

[Chucho]

No, I'm saying the mass shooters are people from households with guns. Period.

Full stop. That's where they are and that percentage of households has been shrinking while the number of mass shootings has increased.

What you make of that is your deal. But these people are where they are and that's where their guns are.


You interjected into the conversation when the point is WHY are there so many crazy shooters when access to guns is harder and gun ownership is down. You said you pinpointed where all the "crazy" is concentrated and are making a simple correlation. My assertion is there is an issue inherent to American culture that makes the issue about the gun and not the people, hence you're stuck on "gun owners = crazy", you've changed the reason for your original interjection.

[Chucho]

So, back to the original course of topic; what makes gun owners more crazy today than back when access was easier and ownership was thicker?

[boutons_deux]

Yet another one of You People, extreme rightwing hater/racist terrorist

[TSA]

So, back to the original course of topic; what makes gun owners more crazy today than back when access was easier and ownership was thicker?

I don’t think gun owners are any more crazy than back in the day, I think there are more crazies concocting a plan to murder a large amount of people and than seeking out guns. I know the shooters actually owned the gun but I think you get what I’m saying.

I too want to know what is driving the recent spike in mass shootings. Just saying guns and then legislating around that obviously hasn’t worked.

[boutons_deux]

The number of mass shootings by crazy people from de facto households with guns is increasing while the percentage of households with guns has been trending downwards the last 40 years.

The overall firearm homicide rate has gone down while the percentage of households with guns has also gone down.

May just be correlation and not causation, but the mass shooting crazy is in a smaller number of households -- the ones with guns.

Because there are guns in those households.

guns are public health issue that BigGun has paid Congressional whores to block from being studied.

BigGun makes gun policy to enrich itself, slaughter of Americans be damned.

[ElNono]

Wikipedia lists a total of 15 mass shootings for the entire decade of the 70s.

From the same page, there were more deaths from those incidents in the 80's than in the 90's.

But, again, what was even reported as a 'mass shooting' back in the day? The majority of the episodes listed for the 70s are in relatively big cities, and I kinda doubt that's the only place where somebody blew a gasket.

[ElNono]

Considering how few homicides are committed with rifles overall, and then just looking at homicides with rifles by 19 year olds, and then considering 16-19 year olds are the most dangerous group of drivers, the 19 year old with a rental car may actually pose more of a threat to the public

We could make the same argument with terrorism, tbh... "considering how few homicides are committed by 19 year old terrorists (or even not 19 years old) we shouldn't have the TSA"... but it's a poor excuse to do absolutely nothing about it.

[ElNono]

So, back to the original course of topic; what makes gun owners more crazy today than back when access was easier and ownership was thicker?

Exactly, especially now that America is great again! The best economy ever!... just weird, tbh

[Pavlov]

You interjected into the conversation when the point is WHY are there so many crazy shooters when access to guns is harder and gun ownership is down. You said you pinpointed where all the "crazy" is concentrated and are making a simple correlation. My assertion is there is an issue inherent to American culture that makes the issue about the gun and not the people, hence you're stuck on "gun owners = crazy", you've changed the reason for your original interjection.The American crazy gun owners who are killing people are indeed American gun owners. No real way to spin that.

There are more guns in the hands of fewer people and your assertion is that more of those people are acting crazy than they did before.

[Pavlov]

I don’t think gun owners are any more crazy than back in the day, I think there are more crazies concocting a plan to murder a large amount of people and than seeking out guns. I know the shooters actually owned the gun but I think you get what I’m saying.

I too want to know what is driving the recent spike in mass shootings. Just saying guns and then legislating around that obviously hasn’t worked.But it worked for regular ol' gun homicides if that's your metric, so what are we actually trying to prevent here?

[Spurtacular]

The American crazy gun owners who are killing people are indeed American gun owners. No real way to spin that.


Nice philo. I imagine the majority of murderers in every single country are persons of the country of origin, with the possible exception of a Euro country with Muslim immigrants leading the charge.

[Pavlov]

Nice philo. I imagine the majority of murderers in every single country are persons of the country of origin, with the possible exception of a Euro country with Muslim immigrants leading the charge.Why are you guys getting upset about that?

That's simply true. The more interesting thing is the concentration of gun ownership and the in crease of what we're just calling crazy. I'm not accusing anyone here of it (especially you since you don't own any guns); it's just damned interesting.

[boutons_deux]

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[Proxy]

How many of the teenage gunmen owned the guns they murdered with? If someone wants something, they're going to do whatever they can to get it. This is why there is still mass gun violence on the streets and in urban areas. Kids can access a vehicle and booze a whole lot easier than they can a gun.

That said, I'm not trivializing the need to prevent teenagers from buying weapons or minimizing the issue. Just saying, especially in this society, people will do what they want if they want to badly enough.

Are the guns used in these mass shootings acquired within the networks that gangs use to get their guns? Bullshit to group the California and Chicago gang related gun violence stats in with these events where innocents are targeted.

[Spurtacular]

Why are you guys getting upset about that?

That's simply true. The more interesting thing is the concentration of gun ownership and the in crease of what we're just calling crazy. I'm not accusing anyone here of it (especially you since you don't own any guns); it's just damned interesting.

:cry Don't shit on my nothing points. :cry

[Pavlov]

:cry Don't shit on my nothing points. :crySo just post about me.

[ducks]

Gun murder rate is higher in AZ.

Thanks to the illegal crossing

[ducks]

Shooter isn't old enough to buy a beer or rent a car, but is old enough to buy a semi-automatic rifle.

How much sense does that make?
Then why can he join the milarty?

[Pavlov]

Thanks to the illegal crossingMore cross illegally in CA.

[ducks]

Originally Posted by Pavlov
Gun murder rate is higher in AZ.

Link to prove it you stated it

[ducks]

More cross illegally in CA.


Link or shut up

[ducks]

More cross illegally in CA.


Link or shut up

[ducks]

San Diego has a big fucking wall 18 fucking feet high

[Pavlov]

So you're not going to prove your claim with links?

OK.

[ducks]

My bad 30
Feet high
https://nypost.com/2018/06/02/trumps-border-wall-breaks-ground-in-san-diego/

[Pavlov]

Link or shut uphttps://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration/ofo-sw-border-inadmissibles

CA over twice as many crossings.

Sorry ducks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state

AZ higher gun murder rate.

Sorry ducks.