Agree with shaq top small forwards of all time?

[apalisoc_9]

Bron
Bird
Durant
Ervin
Kawhi
Baylor
Pippen
Havelick
Barry
Pierce

imo


Durant is too high. He has zero championships.
Kawhi maybe should be 6th as of today. Only 28 years old.

[Yogatti]

1. Lebron
2. Bird
3. Kawhi
4. Durant
5. Pippen

[lefty]

1. Bird
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.
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2. All the other black dudes

[Joseph Kony]

Pippen has 6 fucking rings. lmao at putting that autist over him all time because he won 1 ring against an injury depleted warriors team :lmao

[KobesAchilles]

What a shitty position tbh if Paul Pierce is in your top 10 :lol

but Lebron has a better career than Bird for sure but honestly if I was starting a team, I would want Larry Legend over him.

[Yogatti]

Pippen has 6 fucking rings. lmao at putting that autist over him all time because he won 1 ring against an injury depleted warriors team :lmao

All 6 of his rings are sidekick rings. He also has ZERO FVMPs. He has never accomplished anything without MJ.

Kawhi has 2 ALPHA Rings. 2XFMVP. 2XDOPY. He should’ve won MVP in 2016 but they gave it to Westbrook because the league felt sorry for him that Durant left him:cry

[FkLA]

Kawhi has 2 ALPHA Rings.

:lol

[Joseph Kony]

Kawhi has 2 ALPHA Rings.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Silver&Black]

Kawhi Game 3,4,and 5 of the 2014 Finals. That was the first time in his career he had 20+ points in 3 consecutive games. To call him the "ALPHA" of the team is going a little far. That team really didn't have an alpha. I know he won Finals MVP but c'mon now. Hell, a lot of Spurs Fans contribute Boris Diaw starting as the most important factor in the Games 3, 4 and 5 blowouts.

Kawhi was important, no doubt. But, a lot of Spurs stepped up that Series against the Heat and throughout the entire postseason run.

[lefty]

He also defended well on LeBron

[FrostKing]

Lebron is closer to Pippen than Larry

[LkrFan]

1. Bird
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2. All the other black dudes

:lol

[Laker_1995]

I love kawahi huge fan but dude hasn’t topped pippen. That’s disrespectful

[LkrFan]

LBJ
Pip
KD
Kawhi
Bird

In that orderPERIOD.

[i'm_still_beta]

LBJ
Pip
KD
Kawhi
Bird

In that orderPERIOD.
Pip over Bird? Lol

[LkrFan]

Pip over Bird? Lol

Hell yeah. 6 > 3. Pip is the greatest defender I've ever seen in addition to being the defacto point guard for two 3peats. No Pip, no rings for MJ. Fact.

[LkrFan]

Pip is underratedPERIOD.

[FrostKing]

Lebron lol. Best at what exactly? Being a lazy begging bitch

[InRareForm]

Pierce lol

[lefty]

Ringz argument!!!!

[ambchang]

Lebron
Bird
Durant
Pippen
Dr.
Baylor
Barry
Kawhi
Havlicek

[lefty]

Lol at Erving being in a top 10

[i'm_still_beta]

Hell yeah. 6 > 3. Pip is the greatest defender I've ever seen in addition to being the defacto point guard for two 3peats. No Pip, no rings for MJ. Fact.
1. Rings are bad argument when your talk about team sports.
2. Greatest defender? Better then Hakeem and and other bigs?
3. Bird is better scorer, shooter, passer, playmaker, rebounder. Pip is better on fastbreaks and 1 on 1 defense. As a Kobe fan, you should also take into account that Bird is a go-to guy in the clutch.

Verdict: Bird over Pip comfortably

[FrostKing]

Can someone offer an argument in support of Lebron beyond he played alot of seasons and does that chalk thing?

[apalisoc_9]

Lebron
Bird
Durant
Pippen
Dr.
Baylor
Barry
Kawhi
Havlicek

typical anti kawhi spursfan

[LkrFan]

1. Rings are bad argument when your talk about team sports.
2. Greatest defender? Better then Hakeem and and other bigs?
3. Bird is better scorer, shooter, passer, playmaker, rebounder. Pip is better on fastbreaks and 1 on 1 defense. As a Kobe fan, you should also take into account that Bird is a go-to guy in the clutch.

Verdict: Bird over Pip comfortably

Burd benefitted the same way Dad Killa did. What individual talent was there at SF really back then? Nique? No jumpshot Dr. J? Who was there back then to challenge him? Burd would be Chase Buddinger today's NBA :lol

Yes, Pip is the greatest defender I've EVER seen. 2nd greatest was Worm. No disrespect to Dream who was a beast.

Burd was slow af back then. I'd love to see him get open to shoot vs premiere athletic players instead of plumbers, accountants, and substitute teachers. FOH about Burd son :lol

Pip's game translates to today's game. Burd not so much. Maybe he'd be a 3pt specialist but that's about it. :lol

[FrostKing]

Burd benefitted the same way Dad Killa did. What individual talent was there at SF really back then? Nique? No jumpshot Dr. J? Who was there back then to challenge him? Burd would be Chase Buddinger today's NBA :lol

Yes, Pip is the greatest defender I've EVER seen. 2nd greatest was Worm. No disrespect to Dream who was a beast.

Burd was slow af back then. I'd love to see him get open to shoot vs premiere athletic players instead of plumbers, accountants, and substitute teachers. FOH about Burd son :lol

Pip's game translates to today's game. Burd not so much. Maybe he'd be a 3pt specialist but that's about it. :lol
Why would Bird need to be athletic when today's NBA is a 3 point chucking exhibition?

He was a dominant rebounder.

[LkrFan]

Why would Bird need to be athletic when today's NBA is a 3 point chucking exhibition?

He was a dominant rebounder.

He needs to be able to get open to Jack up 3s. How can he get open when he's slower than frozen molasses. :lol

[FrostKing]

He needs to be able to get open to Jack up 3s. How can he get open when he's slower than frozen molasses. :lol
Can't he just sit in the corner like everyone else?

[i'm_still_beta]

Burd benefitted the same way Dad Killa did. What individual talent was there at SF really back then? Nique? No jumpshot Dr. J? Who was there back then to challenge him? Burd would be Chase Buddinger today's NBA :lol

Yes, Pip is the greatest defender I've EVER seen. 2nd greatest was Worm. No disrespect to Dream who was a beast.

Burd was slow af back then. I'd love to see him get open to shoot vs premiere athletic players instead of plumbers, accountants, and substitute teachers. FOH about Burd son :lol

Pip's game translates to today's game. Burd not so much. Maybe he'd be a 3pt specialist but that's about it. :lol
Yep, sf position was loaded with talent during Pip's prime:lol. And 90's talent wasn't any better than 80's, especially after expansion.
If Nash and Dirk were able to win mvp's in 00's, Doncic and Jokic are killing it today, I'm sure Bird would do fine. His game translale tremendousely too. He is like Dirk but with better, passing, rebounding and team defense. And Bird wasn't slow before injuries.
Bird had no problem's scoring over Pippen, Rodman, Jordan btw.
And, finally, Pippen wasn't nearly as dominant on d like dpoy-caliber bigs like Tim, Hakeem, Drob lol.

[LkrFan]

Yep, sf position was loaded with talent during Pip's prime:lol. And 90's talent wasn't any better than 80's, especially after expansion.
If Nash and Dirk were able to win mvp's in 00's, Doncic and Jokic are killing it today, I'm sure Bird would do fine. His game translale tremendousely too. He is like Dirk but with better, passing, rebounding and team defense. And Bird wasn't slow before injuries.
Bird had no problem's scoring over Pippen, Rodman, Jordan btw.
And, finally, Pippen wasn't nearly as dominant on d like dpoy-caliber bigs like Tim, Hakeem, Drob lol.


Can't he just sit in the corner like everyone else?

No.

_utTnPxt7xo

[LkrFan]

N9vFHYVXtRk

Best defender EVER

[LkrFan]

Even 38 year old Pip did a decent job on 21 year old Kobe in 2000 WCFs tbh.

[LkrFan]

Part 2
g1YchiFv-5M

[lefty]

Yeah but they played against plumbers and ice cream truck drivers

[LkrFan]

Yeah but they played against plumbers and ice cream truck drivers

:lol

Tru, but Pip was an athlete whose game would have translated to today's game. I believe Burd would have too a bit because he can shoot. But I don't think he's the HOF player if he played right now. Too many athletes in today's NBA IMHO for him to dominate like he did back in the day when the NBA was only 45% Black :lol

[lefty]

:lol

Tru, but Pip was an athlete whose game would have translated to today's game. I believe Burd would have too a bit because he can shoot. But I don't think he's the HOF player if he played right now. Too many athletes in today's NBA IMHO for him to dominate like he did back in the day when the NBA was only 45% Black :lol

Even some black players back then wouldn’t even get drafted today
John Starks was an actual grocery bagger

[Yogatti]

Scottie Pippen better than Kawhi? Give me a break:lol

that guy was having migraines in the finals because “too much pressure:cry” :lmao

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

He needs to be able to get open to Jack up 3s. How can he get open when he's slower than frozen molasses. :lol
https://youtu.be/xcXp3PSRGvw Bird could score from anywhere on the court in a variety of ways and with either hand. He would be a stretch forward in today's NBA and he would be dominant. Here he is lighting up what you say is the greatest defender of all time.

[FrostKing]

Even some black players back then wouldn’t even get drafted today
John Starks was an actual grocery bagger
Because salaries were lower and it was shameful to be on welfare unlike today

I don't understand your argument. AAU didn't exist or Starks would have gotten secret Nike pay like they do now

[lefty]

Because salaries were lower and it was shameful to be on welfare unlike today

I don't understand your argument. AAU didn't exist or Starks would have gotten secret Nike pay like they do now

Expansion

Players who shouldn’t have been drafted ended up being drafted because spots to fill

On salaries : Starks didn’t bag groceries while he playing to meet ends, what are you talkIng about lol

[ambchang]

No.

_utTnPxt7xo

In 90-91, bird was 34 years old and was beset by injuries.

Still, bird still scored 34 and 30 points in two of those games that season.

In their h2hs, when bird was already in the down slope of his career, bird averaged 26/8/6 on Pippen. And I agree Pippen was the best wing defender ever, just that bird was that good.

[ambchang]

typical anti kawhi spursfan

Pretty pro Kawhi to rank him this high after two good seasons.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Havlicek wouldn't be better than a Gordon Hayward in today's NBA

[Spurtacular]

1. Bird
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2. All the other black dudes

:lmao

[Spurtacular]

Burd would be Chase Buddinger today's NBA :lol

I'm trying to think if this is the worst take in ST history, tbh.

[FrostKing]

Bird stands no chance because today the hoop is higher and the ball heavier

[LkrFan]

I'm trying to think if this is the worst take in ST history, tbh.

Lemme guess: Burd was your hero. Amirite? ;) Tell you what, I'll upgrade his ceiling. He'd be Ryan Anderson in today's NBA :lol

Is that better? No? Kyle KorverPERIOD. No more than det tbh.

[LkrFan]

In 90-91, bird was 34 years old and was beset by injuries.

Still, bird still scored 34 and 30 points in two of those games that season.

In their h2hs, when bird was already in the down slope of his career, bird averaged 26/8/6 on Pippen. And I agree Pippen was the best wing defender ever, just that bird was that good.

Burd was great, no lie. But he was a Celtic, so I gotta give him the same treatment you farmers give Kobe :lol

[ambchang]

Burd was great, no lie. But he was a Celtic, so I gotta give him the same treatment you farmers give Kobe :lol

Don’t put bird and Kobe in the same paragraph. Bird was an original and there isn’t anyone like him. Kobe was a facsimile of a scanned coffee stained copy of a wannabe Jordan.

Bird was one point the true GOAT until injuries too him out. Kobe is a lucky recipient of food stamps from a desperate media.

[LkrFan]

Don’t put bird and Kobe in the same paragraph. Bird was an original and there isn’t anyone like him. Kobe was a facsimile of a scanned coffee stained copy of a wannabe Jordan.

Bird was one point the true GOAT until injuries too him out. Kobe is a lucky recipient of food stamps from a desperate media.
True GOAT? Please. He even admitted Magic >>>

Also: Dirk > Burd. Put him on those Celtics teams and he'd have 5 rings.

Burd lasted 12 years? Dirk lasted 20. The only thing Burd did better is pass > Dirk. That's it.

[LkrFan]

And yes, Kobe >>> Burd.

And after Colorado, white media HATED Kobe. SMH at amb :lol

[FrostKing]

True GOAT? Please. He even admitted Magic >>>

Also: Dirk > Burd. Put him on those Celtics teams and he'd have 5 rings.

Burd lasted 12 years? Dirk lasted 20. The only thing Burd did better is pass > Dirk. That's it.
Ironically Bird's game translates better to today than Dirk. Bird was the superior 3 point shooter. Dirk took a ton of long range 2's.

Imagine Lebron trying to guard Bird at the elbow :rollin

It took Dirk over a decade to develop that mid range post game. Larry entered the Association with it.

[LkrFan]

Ironically Bird's game translates better to today than Dirk. Bird was the superior 3 point shooter. Dirk took a ton of long range 2's.

Imagine Lebron trying to guard Bird at the elbow :rollin

It took Dirk over a decade to develop that mid range post game. Larry entered the Association with it.

A LkrFan small film. Playing the role of Burd: Christian Laettner. Playing the part of MJ: any athlete in today's NBA. :lol

Theme: Burd playing defense in the 20th century. Let's see how he'd fare:
https://twitter.com/CuffsTheLegend/status/1162829060596273152?s=19
Any questions? :lol

[FrostKing]

A LkrFan small film. Playing the role of Burd: Christian Laettner. Playing the part of MJ: any athlete in today's NBA. :lol

Theme: Burd playing defense in the 20th century. Let's see how he'd fare:
https://twitter.com/CuffsTheLegend/status/1162829060596273152?s=19
Any questions? :lol
Muh athletes

Lazy, dumb and no fundamentals

Source: Lebron's 2018 defense highlights

[Leetonidas]

A LkrFan small film. Playing the role of Burd: Christian Laettner. Playing the part of MJ: any athlete in today's NBA. :lol

Theme: Burd playing defense in the 20th century. Let's see how he'd fare:
https://twitter.com/CuffsTheLegend/status/1162829060596273152?s=19
Any questions? :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIrfHLvmayM

[ambchang]

True GOAT? Please. He even admitted Magic >>>

Also: Dirk > Burd. Put him on those Celtics teams and he'd have 5 rings.

Burd lasted 12 years? Dirk lasted 20. The only thing Burd did better is pass > Dirk. That's it.

Russell also said chamberlain was his friend to gain an advantage. Bird saying magic was better was to say things people want to hear and boost magics ego.

Dirk was great, but birds leadership and vision of the game was second to none. I love dirk, one of my favourite non spurs player ever along with magic, pollen and Clyde, but he wasn’t bird.

Three straight MVPs and leading one of the best teams of all time in an era of magic’s and Isiah’s peak, along with young Jordan, Barkley, Hakeem, Clyde, and Ewing.
He made Nique and worthy look like second rated stars when those were legit superstars.
He played cooper, pippen and rodman like a yo-yo until his back gave out.

[ambchang]

And yes, Kobe >>> Burd.

And after Colorado, white media HATED Kobe. SMH at amb :lol


Kobe is really in the dirk, pedo, Garnett level. Definitely and all time great but his numbers just don’t add up. All of his “accomplishments” were team based. There isn’t one single thing that puts him over a player like Karl Malone other than playing with shaq and/or having a loaded front line.

Bird on the other hand dominated. He made players like Nique, who really is Kobe playing in a small market, look like Vince carter.

[ambchang]

A LkrFan small film. Playing the role of Burd: Christian Laettner. Playing the part of MJ: any athlete in today's NBA. :lol

Theme: Burd playing defense in the 20th century. Let's see how he'd fare:
https://twitter.com/CuffsTheLegend/status/1162829060596273152?s=19
Any questions? :lol

Comparing bird to Laettner is like comparing Jordan to any athlete in :lol today’s nba, the difference is that huge. Not going to argue with you on that.

[lefty]

Russell also said chamberlain was his friend to gain an advantage. Bird saying magic was better was to say things people want to hear and boost magics ego.

Dirk was great, but birds leadership and vision of the game was second to none. I love dirk, one of my favourite non spurs player ever along with magic, pollen and Clyde, but he wasn’t bird.

Three straight MVPs and leading one of the best teams of all time in an era of magic’s and Isiah’s peak, along with young Jordan, Barkley, Hakeem, Clyde, and Ewing.
He made Nique and worthy look like second rated stars when those were legit superstars.
He played cooper, pippen and rodman like a yo-yo until his back gave out.
Who is pollen?

[LkrFan]

Kobe is really in the dirk, pedo, Garnett level. Definitely and all time great but his numbers just don’t add up. All of his “accomplishments” were team based. There isn’t one single thing that puts him over a player like Karl Malone other than playing with shaq and/or having a loaded front line.

Bird on the other hand dominated. He made players like Nique, who really is Kobe playing in a small market, look like Vince carter.

Who's pedo?

[Spurtacular]

Lemme guess: Burd was your hero. Amirite? ;) Tell you what, I'll upgrade his ceiling. He'd be Ryan Anderson in today's NBA :lol

Is that better? No? Kyle KorverPERIOD. No more than det tbh.

Tell us who is the modern equivalent of Earvin Johnson?

[LkrFan]

Tell us who is the modern equivalent of Earvin Johnson?

LBJ

[Spurtacular]

LBJ

Who is better?

[LkrFan]

Who is better?

One is 60 the other is 34. Bad question son.

[Spurtacular]

One is 60 the other is 34. Bad question son.

You know what I mean. Don't dodge. Who is better?

[LkrFan]

You know what I mean. Don't dodge. Who is better?

Magic is my favorite player of all time. Magic.

[Spurtacular]

Magic is my favorite player of all time. Magic.

That's not the question. Who is better, Lebron or Magic?

[Spurtacular]

Russell also said chamberlain was his friend to gain an advantage. Bird saying magic was better was to say things people want to hear and boost magics ego.

Dirk was great, but birds leadership and vision of the game was second to none. I love dirk, one of my favourite non spurs player ever along with magic, pollen and Clyde, but he wasn’t bird.

Three straight MVPs and leading one of the best teams of all time in an era of magic’s and Isiah’s peak, along with young Jordan, Barkley, Hakeem, Clyde, and Ewing.
He made Nique and worthy look like second rated stars when those were legit superstars.
He played cooper, pippen and rodman like a yo-yo until his back gave out.

Five straight really; NBA marketing had to give MJ and Magic their first MVP's at Bird's expense.

[LkrFan]

That's not the question. Who is better, Lebron or Magic?

I just said Magic. ¡¿Quieres que lo diga en español?! :lol

[LkrFan]

Kobe is really in the dirk, pedo, Garnett level. Definitely and all time great but his numbers just don’t add up. All of his “accomplishments” were team based. There isn’t one single thing that puts him over a player like Karl Malone other than playing with shaq and/or having a loaded front line.

Bird on the other hand dominated. He made players like Nique, who really is Kobe playing in a small market, look like Vince carter.

You know you a bad man when you make MJ pay to see you play:
n3xeVpa-_3M

:toast

[lefty]

You know you a bad man when you make MJ pay to see you play:
n3xeVpa-_3M

:toast
He went to see Pippen

[LkrFan]

He went to see Pippen

You sure he didn't go to see Rodman? :downspin: it!! :lol

[ambchang]

Who is pollen?

:lol. Meant Pippen. Autocorrect

[ambchang]

Who's pedo?

Should have narrowed it down as it could be Calvin Murphy or Hakeem, but the most sickening one is Karl Malone so pedo is his trademarked handle.

[ambchang]

You know you a bad man when you make MJ pay to see you play:
n3xeVpa-_3M

:toast

First that made zero sense.

Second, Jordan just trying to see how kobe handles things after games. Once he found out kobe had to finish solo in the shower Jordan realized he’s got nothing to learn.

Third, shaq got triple everytime he got the ball. :lol at kobe being 1a to the three rings. That was basically throughout the lakers threepeat

Fourth, 7-18 :lol

[LkrFan]

Should have narrowed it down as it could be Calvin Murphy or Hakeem, but the most sickening one is Karl Malone so pedo is his trademarked handle.

:lol

[lefty]

:lol. Meant Pippen. Autocorrect

Lol

[Spurtacular]

I just said Magic. ¡¿Quieres que lo diga en español?! :lol

How is Magic better than Lebron? He's weaker and an even shittier shooter. Half his assists were just feeding Lou Alcindor in the post.

[FrostKing]

Pollen > Lebron

[LkrFan]

How is Magic better than Lebron? He's weaker and an even shittier shooter. Half his assists were just feeding Lou Alcindor in the post.

You probably too young to know much about him. Google Magic or look him up on YouTube.

Then again, don't. This is a Spurs board. No such thing as being objective when it comes to Lakers. :lol

[lefty]

How is Magic better than Lebron? He's weaker and an even shittier shooter. Half his assists were just feeding Lou Alcindor in the post.

[lefty]

Magic’s passing is overrated
Basic entry passes to Kareem, dribble dribble dribble dribble, swing left, swing right , sky hook, assist Magic

“No look” passes on 3 vs 1 fast breaks


Bird’s passing was superior

[Spurtacular]

Magic’s passing is overrated
Basic entry passes to Kareem, dribble dribble dribble dribble, swing left, swing right , sky hook, assist Magic

“No look” passes on 3 vs 1 fast breaks


Bird’s passing was superior

And when Stockton came around and took the assists title from him by a good margin, they were all so sure he must be padding his totals, so they tried to stat pad and failed. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

You probably too young to know much about him. Google Magic or look him up on YouTube.

Then again, don't. This is a Spurs board. No such thing as being objective when it comes to Lakers. :lol

You don't have a good answer for how Earvin is better than Lebron, tbh.

[FrostKing]

To me alot of Magic's on the court legacy centers on that performance in the 1980 NBA Finals. It is his greatest accomplishment. Without that I wouldn't have him at GOAT status either

[lefty]

To me alot of Magic's on the court legacy centers on that performance in the 1980 NBA Finals. It is his greatest accomplishment. Without that I wouldn't have him at GOAT status either
Yeah but people tend to forget how Kareem destroyed the Sixers’ frontline before his injury.
Apparently the media didn’t vote for him because he wasn’t media friendly, so they voted for Magic instead

[lefty]

And when Stockton came around and took the assists title from him by a good margin, they were all so sure he must be padding his totals, so they tried to stat pad and failed. :lmao

:lol source? (Srs)

[Spurtacular]

:lol source? (Srs)

It was on one of those throwback Laker shows that they play on Fox Sports in LA. Worthy was the one stating that. Unfortunately, I don't have any links for that.

[Arcadian]

Nevermind Pippen - the most interesting debate to be had is Durant vs. Leonard. They're both very close at this point, with 2 rings and 2 FMVPs each. Where will they end up? It's anybody's guess at this point. For two guys to have such radically different career trajectories, and yet to end up as the two best players in the league and two of the best ever at their position, is quite fascinating.

[Spurtacular]

lefty (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6896)

I remember the refs cheating their asses off to get the Lakers those wins against the Jazz and Mavs in 88. And :lol @ Stockton hanging 23/24 on the Magic and the Lakers in their building in a playoff game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnGmWQG_EIc

[lefty]

It was on one of those throwback Laker shows that they play on Fox Sports in LA. Worthy was the one stating that. Unfortunately, I don't have any links for that.

Ah ok

Holy shit that’s petty :lol

[lefty]

lefty (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6896)

I remember the refs cheating their asses off to get the Lakers those wins against the Jazz and Mavs in 88. And :lol @ Stockton hanging 23/24 on the Magic and the Lakers in their building in a playoff game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnGmWQG_EIc

Yeah I read an article about the NBA rigging series for the Lakers in 88 against Utah and Dallas (and let’s not forget the BS call against Laimbeer)
Stockton out assisting Earvin in his turf during the playoffs with less talent around him tells you what you need to know about Magic’s “amazing passing”

And people jizz over Jordan beating a “great” Jazz team in 97/98 (also thanks to the refs)

The 88 team was much better than the 97/98 iteration

[Spurtacular]

Ah ok

Holy shit that’s petty :lol

:lol Yea, I would love to find a link on that. Those Lakers were so damn envious of Stockton. 80's Lakers were such a sham. Team of the decade, my ass.

[Spurtacular]

Yeah I read an article about the NBA rigging series for the Lakers in 88 against Utah and Dallas (and let’s not forget the BS call against Laimbeer)
Stockton out assisting Earvin in his turf during the playoffs with less talent around him tells you what you need to know about Magic’s “amazing passing”

And people jizz over Jordan beating a “great” Jazz team in 97/98 (also thanks to the refs)

The 88 team was much better than the 97/98 iteration

Stockton/Malone were definitely prime in 87/88. League had to pull stuff just like they did later on when the Lakers beat a young Westbrook/Harden/Durant.

88 Jazz, Mavs, Pistons were all better than the Lakers; it was some serious BS being pulled.

[LkrFan]

Yeah but people tend to forget how Kareem destroyed the Sixers’ frontline before his injury.
Apparently the media didn’t vote for him because he wasn’t media friendly, so they voted for Magic instead

This is true. The media hated him worse than they hated Kobe post Colorado.

He has won on every level. Elementary, Middle School, High School and college. Didn't UCLA have like an 88-game winning streak? :lol Would've had 4 NCAA championships, but Freshmen couldn't play back then. His UCLA teams were dominant. In the pros he had 6 rangs, several MVPs, etc, etc.

They changed rules to try and slow him down. Even outlawed dunking at one point. What does he do? Develop the most deadly shot in NBA history. He the true GOAT, but the media loves Dad Killa.

[FrostKing]

This is true. The media hated him worse than they hated Kobe post Colorado.

He has won on every level. Elementary, Middle School, High School and college. Didn't UCLA have like an 88-game winning streak? :lol Would've had 4 NCAA championships, but Freshmen couldn't play back then. His UCLA teams were dominant. In the pros he had 6 rangs, several MVPs, etc, etc.

They changed rules to try and slow him down. Even outlawed dunking at one point. What does he do? Develop the most deadly shot in NBA history. He the true GOAT, but the media loves Dad Killa.
I have Kareem near the top too but how did he not single handily win more before joining LA? The first half of his career was pretty pathetic. He failed to build an empire in Milwaukee the way Jordan did in next door Chicago

[lefty]

I have Kareem near the top too but how did he not single handily win more before joining LA? The first half of his career was pretty pathetic. He failed to build an empire in Milwaukee the way Jordan did in next door Chicago

Did Kareem win without Oscar ?no

Did MJ win without Pippen, Stern and expansion? No

[FrostKing]

Did Kareem win without Oscar ?no

Did MJ win without Pippen, Stern and expansion? No
There were 9 teams in the entire Conference back then.

Kareem going to the Lakers would be the equivalent of Jordan joining the Celtics

Jordan would have 5-peat in the 70s

[Spurtacular]

lefty

Magic saying he doesn't respect a lot of players in the league.

:lmao No wonder they all wanted his ass to stay away after he retired.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89qPUIicXzE

[lefty]

lefty

Magic saying he doesn't respect a lot of players in the league.

:lmao No wonder they all wanted his ass to stay away after he retired.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89qPUIicXzE

:lol either or he can’t speak English