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apalisoc_9
08-16-2019, 08:06 PM
Bron
Bird
Durant
Ervin
Kawhi
Baylor
Pippen
Havelick
Barry
Pierce
imo
Durant is too high. He has zero championships.
Kawhi maybe should be 6th as of today. Only 28 years old.
Yogatti
08-16-2019, 08:17 PM
1. Lebron
2. Bird
3. Kawhi
4. Durant
5. Pippen
lefty
08-16-2019, 09:04 PM
1. Bird
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2. All the other black dudes
Joseph Kony
08-16-2019, 09:06 PM
Pippen has 6 fucking rings. lmao at putting that autist over him all time because he won 1 ring against an injury depleted warriors team :lmao
KobesAchilles
08-16-2019, 09:43 PM
What a shitty position tbh if Paul Pierce is in your top 10 :lol
but Lebron has a better career than Bird for sure but honestly if I was starting a team, I would want Larry Legend over him.
Yogatti
08-16-2019, 10:41 PM
Pippen has 6 fucking rings. lmao at putting that autist over him all time because he won 1 ring against an injury depleted warriors team :lmao
All 6 of his rings are sidekick rings. He also has ZERO FVMPs. He has never accomplished anything without MJ.
Kawhi has 2 ALPHA Rings. 2XFMVP. 2XDOPY. He should’ve won MVP in 2016 but they gave it to Westbrook because the league felt sorry for him that Durant left him:cry
Kawhi has 2 ALPHA Rings.
:lol
Joseph Kony
08-16-2019, 11:40 PM
Kawhi has 2 ALPHA Rings.
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
Silver&Black
08-16-2019, 11:46 PM
Kawhi Game 3,4,and 5 of the 2014 Finals. That was the first time in his career he had 20+ points in 3 consecutive games. To call him the "ALPHA" of the team is going a little far. That team really didn't have an alpha. I know he won Finals MVP but c'mon now. Hell, a lot of Spurs Fans contribute Boris Diaw starting as the most important factor in the Games 3, 4 and 5 blowouts.
Kawhi was important, no doubt. But, a lot of Spurs stepped up that Series against the Heat and throughout the entire postseason run.
lefty
08-17-2019, 01:37 AM
He also defended well on LeBron
FrostKing
08-17-2019, 01:59 AM
Lebron is closer to Pippen than Larry
LkrFan
08-17-2019, 05:02 AM
1. Bird
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2. All the other black dudes
:lol
Laker_1995
08-17-2019, 10:08 AM
I love kawahi huge fan but dude hasn’t topped pippen. That’s disrespectful
LkrFan
08-17-2019, 12:09 PM
LBJ
Pip
KD
Kawhi
Bird
In that orderPERIOD.
i'm_still_beta
08-17-2019, 01:18 PM
LBJ
Pip
KD
Kawhi
Bird
In that orderPERIOD.
Pip over Bird? Lol
LkrFan
08-17-2019, 01:24 PM
Pip over Bird? Lol
Hell yeah. 6 > 3. Pip is the greatest defender I've ever seen in addition to being the defacto point guard for two 3peats. No Pip, no rings for MJ. Fact.
LkrFan
08-17-2019, 01:26 PM
Pip is underratedPERIOD.
FrostKing
08-17-2019, 01:36 PM
Lebron lol. Best at what exactly? Being a lazy begging bitch
InRareForm
08-17-2019, 01:38 PM
Pierce lol
lefty
08-17-2019, 01:48 PM
Ringz argument!!!!
ambchang
08-17-2019, 02:46 PM
Lebron
Bird
Durant
Pippen
Dr.
Baylor
Barry
Kawhi
Havlicek
lefty
08-17-2019, 03:21 PM
Lol at Erving being in a top 10
i'm_still_beta
08-17-2019, 03:23 PM
Hell yeah. 6 > 3. Pip is the greatest defender I've ever seen in addition to being the defacto point guard for two 3peats. No Pip, no rings for MJ. Fact.
1. Rings are bad argument when your talk about team sports.
2. Greatest defender? Better then Hakeem and and other bigs?
3. Bird is better scorer, shooter, passer, playmaker, rebounder. Pip is better on fastbreaks and 1 on 1 defense. As a Kobe fan, you should also take into account that Bird is a go-to guy in the clutch.
Verdict: Bird over Pip comfortably
FrostKing
08-17-2019, 03:25 PM
Can someone offer an argument in support of Lebron beyond he played alot of seasons and does that chalk thing?
apalisoc_9
08-17-2019, 03:43 PM
Lebron
Bird
Durant
Pippen
Dr.
Baylor
Barry
Kawhi
Havlicek
typical anti kawhi spursfan
LkrFan
08-17-2019, 04:02 PM
1. Rings are bad argument when your talk about team sports.
2. Greatest defender? Better then Hakeem and and other bigs?
3. Bird is better scorer, shooter, passer, playmaker, rebounder. Pip is better on fastbreaks and 1 on 1 defense. As a Kobe fan, you should also take into account that Bird is a go-to guy in the clutch.
Verdict: Bird over Pip comfortably
Burd benefitted the same way Dad Killa did. What individual talent was there at SF really back then? Nique? No jumpshot Dr. J? Who was there back then to challenge him? Burd would be Chase Buddinger today's NBA :lol
Yes, Pip is the greatest defender I've EVER seen. 2nd greatest was Worm. No disrespect to Dream who was a beast.
Burd was slow af back then. I'd love to see him get open to shoot vs premiere athletic players instead of plumbers, accountants, and substitute teachers. FOH about Burd son :lol
Pip's game translates to today's game. Burd not so much. Maybe he'd be a 3pt specialist but that's about it. :lol
FrostKing
08-17-2019, 04:20 PM
Burd benefitted the same way Dad Killa did. What individual talent was there at SF really back then? Nique? No jumpshot Dr. J? Who was there back then to challenge him? Burd would be Chase Buddinger today's NBA :lol
Yes, Pip is the greatest defender I've EVER seen. 2nd greatest was Worm. No disrespect to Dream who was a beast.
Burd was slow af back then. I'd love to see him get open to shoot vs premiere athletic players instead of plumbers, accountants, and substitute teachers. FOH about Burd son :lol
Pip's game translates to today's game. Burd not so much. Maybe he'd be a 3pt specialist but that's about it. :lol
Why would Bird need to be athletic when today's NBA is a 3 point chucking exhibition?
He was a dominant rebounder.
LkrFan
08-17-2019, 04:22 PM
Why would Bird need to be athletic when today's NBA is a 3 point chucking exhibition?
He was a dominant rebounder.
He needs to be able to get open to Jack up 3s. How can he get open when he's slower than frozen molasses. :lol
FrostKing
08-17-2019, 04:25 PM
He needs to be able to get open to Jack up 3s. How can he get open when he's slower than frozen molasses. :lol
Can't he just sit in the corner like everyone else?
i'm_still_beta
08-17-2019, 04:43 PM
Burd benefitted the same way Dad Killa did. What individual talent was there at SF really back then? Nique? No jumpshot Dr. J? Who was there back then to challenge him? Burd would be Chase Buddinger today's NBA :lol
Yes, Pip is the greatest defender I've EVER seen. 2nd greatest was Worm. No disrespect to Dream who was a beast.
Burd was slow af back then. I'd love to see him get open to shoot vs premiere athletic players instead of plumbers, accountants, and substitute teachers. FOH about Burd son :lol
Pip's game translates to today's game. Burd not so much. Maybe he'd be a 3pt specialist but that's about it. :lol
Yep, sf position was loaded with talent during Pip's prime:lol. And 90's talent wasn't any better than 80's, especially after expansion.
If Nash and Dirk were able to win mvp's in 00's, Doncic and Jokic are killing it today, I'm sure Bird would do fine. His game translale tremendousely too. He is like Dirk but with better, passing, rebounding and team defense. And Bird wasn't slow before injuries.
Bird had no problem's scoring over Pippen, Rodman, Jordan btw.
And, finally, Pippen wasn't nearly as dominant on d like dpoy-caliber bigs like Tim, Hakeem, Drob lol.
LkrFan
08-17-2019, 04:59 PM
Yep, sf position was loaded with talent during Pip's prime:lol. And 90's talent wasn't any better than 80's, especially after expansion.
If Nash and Dirk were able to win mvp's in 00's, Doncic and Jokic are killing it today, I'm sure Bird would do fine. His game translale tremendousely too. He is like Dirk but with better, passing, rebounding and team defense. And Bird wasn't slow before injuries.
Bird had no problem's scoring over Pippen, Rodman, Jordan btw.
And, finally, Pippen wasn't nearly as dominant on d like dpoy-caliber bigs like Tim, Hakeem, Drob lol.
Can't he just sit in the corner like everyone else?
No.
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LkrFan
08-17-2019, 05:00 PM
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Best defender EVER
LkrFan
08-17-2019, 05:02 PM
Even 38 year old Pip did a decent job on 21 year old Kobe in 2000 WCFs tbh.
LkrFan
08-17-2019, 05:11 PM
Part 2
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lefty
08-17-2019, 05:13 PM
Yeah but they played against plumbers and ice cream truck drivers
LkrFan
08-17-2019, 05:20 PM
Yeah but they played against plumbers and ice cream truck drivers
:lol
Tru, but Pip was an athlete whose game would have translated to today's game. I believe Burd would have too a bit because he can shoot. But I don't think he's the HOF player if he played right now. Too many athletes in today's NBA IMHO for him to dominate like he did back in the day when the NBA was only 45% Black :lol
lefty
08-17-2019, 05:46 PM
:lol
Tru, but Pip was an athlete whose game would have translated to today's game. I believe Burd would have too a bit because he can shoot. But I don't think he's the HOF player if he played right now. Too many athletes in today's NBA IMHO for him to dominate like he did back in the day when the NBA was only 45% Black :lol
Even some black players back then wouldn’t even get drafted today
John Starks was an actual grocery bagger
Yogatti
08-17-2019, 05:55 PM
Scottie Pippen better than Kawhi? Give me a break:lol
that guy was having migraines in the finals because “too much pressure:cry” :lmao
Roscoe P. Coltrane
08-17-2019, 06:08 PM
He needs to be able to get open to Jack up 3s. How can he get open when he's slower than frozen molasses. :lol
https://youtu.be/xcXp3PSRGvw Bird could score from anywhere on the court in a variety of ways and with either hand. He would be a stretch forward in today's NBA and he would be dominant. Here he is lighting up what you say is the greatest defender of all time.
FrostKing
08-17-2019, 06:23 PM
Even some black players back then wouldn’t even get drafted today
John Starks was an actual grocery bagger
Because salaries were lower and it was shameful to be on welfare unlike today
I don't understand your argument. AAU didn't exist or Starks would have gotten secret Nike pay like they do now
lefty
08-17-2019, 07:37 PM
Because salaries were lower and it was shameful to be on welfare unlike today
I don't understand your argument. AAU didn't exist or Starks would have gotten secret Nike pay like they do now
Expansion
Players who shouldn’t have been drafted ended up being drafted because spots to fill
On salaries : Starks didn’t bag groceries while he playing to meet ends, what are you talkIng about lol
ambchang
08-17-2019, 10:37 PM
No.
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In 90-91, bird was 34 years old and was beset by injuries.
Still, bird still scored 34 and 30 points in two of those games that season.
In their h2hs, when bird was already in the down slope of his career, bird averaged 26/8/6 on Pippen. And I agree Pippen was the best wing defender ever, just that bird was that good.
ambchang
08-17-2019, 10:42 PM
typical anti kawhi spursfan
Pretty pro Kawhi to rank him this high after two good seasons.
Millennial_Messiah
08-17-2019, 11:57 PM
Havlicek wouldn't be better than a Gordon Hayward in today's NBA
Spurtacular
08-18-2019, 01:11 AM
1. Bird
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2. All the other black dudes
:lmao
Spurtacular
08-18-2019, 02:30 AM
Burd would be Chase Buddinger today's NBA :lol
I'm trying to think if this is the worst take in ST history, tbh.
FrostKing
08-18-2019, 02:44 AM
Bird stands no chance because today the hoop is higher and the ball heavier
LkrFan
08-18-2019, 06:47 AM
I'm trying to think if this is the worst take in ST history, tbh.
Lemme guess: Burd was your hero. Amirite? ;) Tell you what, I'll upgrade his ceiling. He'd be Ryan Anderson in today's NBA :lol
Is that better? No? Kyle KorverPERIOD. No more than det tbh.
LkrFan
08-18-2019, 06:52 AM
In 90-91, bird was 34 years old and was beset by injuries.
Still, bird still scored 34 and 30 points in two of those games that season.
In their h2hs, when bird was already in the down slope of his career, bird averaged 26/8/6 on Pippen. And I agree Pippen was the best wing defender ever, just that bird was that good.
Burd was great, no lie. But he was a Celtic, so I gotta give him the same treatment you farmers give Kobe :lol
ambchang
08-18-2019, 07:43 AM
Burd was great, no lie. But he was a Celtic, so I gotta give him the same treatment you farmers give Kobe :lol
Don’t put bird and Kobe in the same paragraph. Bird was an original and there isn’t anyone like him. Kobe was a facsimile of a scanned coffee stained copy of a wannabe Jordan.
Bird was one point the true GOAT until injuries too him out. Kobe is a lucky recipient of food stamps from a desperate media.
LkrFan
08-18-2019, 08:20 AM
Don’t put bird and Kobe in the same paragraph. Bird was an original and there isn’t anyone like him. Kobe was a facsimile of a scanned coffee stained copy of a wannabe Jordan.
Bird was one point the true GOAT until injuries too him out. Kobe is a lucky recipient of food stamps from a desperate media.
True GOAT? Please. He even admitted Magic >>>
Also: Dirk > Burd. Put him on those Celtics teams and he'd have 5 rings.
Burd lasted 12 years? Dirk lasted 20. The only thing Burd did better is pass > Dirk. That's it.
LkrFan
08-18-2019, 08:22 AM
And yes, Kobe >>> Burd.
And after Colorado, white media HATED Kobe. SMH at amb :lol
FrostKing
08-18-2019, 01:36 PM
True GOAT? Please. He even admitted Magic >>>
Also: Dirk > Burd. Put him on those Celtics teams and he'd have 5 rings.
Burd lasted 12 years? Dirk lasted 20. The only thing Burd did better is pass > Dirk. That's it.
Ironically Bird's game translates better to today than Dirk. Bird was the superior 3 point shooter. Dirk took a ton of long range 2's.
Imagine Lebron trying to guard Bird at the elbow :rollin
It took Dirk over a decade to develop that mid range post game. Larry entered the Association with it.
LkrFan
08-18-2019, 01:58 PM
Ironically Bird's game translates better to today than Dirk. Bird was the superior 3 point shooter. Dirk took a ton of long range 2's.
Imagine Lebron trying to guard Bird at the elbow :rollin
It took Dirk over a decade to develop that mid range post game. Larry entered the Association with it.
A LkrFan small film. Playing the role of Burd: Christian Laettner. Playing the part of MJ: any athlete in today's NBA. :lol
Theme: Burd playing defense in the 20th century. Let's see how he'd fare:
https://twitter.com/CuffsTheLegend/status/1162829060596273152?s=19
Any questions? :lol
FrostKing
08-18-2019, 02:45 PM
A LkrFan small film. Playing the role of Burd: Christian Laettner. Playing the part of MJ: any athlete in today's NBA. :lol
Theme: Burd playing defense in the 20th century. Let's see how he'd fare:
https://twitter.com/CuffsTheLegend/status/1162829060596273152?s=19
Any questions? :lol
Muh athletes
Lazy, dumb and no fundamentals
Source: Lebron's 2018 defense highlights
Leetonidas
08-18-2019, 02:51 PM
A LkrFan small film. Playing the role of Burd: Christian Laettner. Playing the part of MJ: any athlete in today's NBA. :lol
Theme: Burd playing defense in the 20th century. Let's see how he'd fare:
https://twitter.com/CuffsTheLegend/status/1162829060596273152?s=19
Any questions? :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIrfHLvmayM
ambchang
08-18-2019, 03:37 PM
True GOAT? Please. He even admitted Magic >>>
Also: Dirk > Burd. Put him on those Celtics teams and he'd have 5 rings.
Burd lasted 12 years? Dirk lasted 20. The only thing Burd did better is pass > Dirk. That's it.
Russell also said chamberlain was his friend to gain an advantage. Bird saying magic was better was to say things people want to hear and boost magics ego.
Dirk was great, but birds leadership and vision of the game was second to none. I love dirk, one of my favourite non spurs player ever along with magic, pollen and Clyde, but he wasn’t bird.
Three straight MVPs and leading one of the best teams of all time in an era of magic’s and Isiah’s peak, along with young Jordan, Barkley, Hakeem, Clyde, and Ewing.
He made Nique and worthy look like second rated stars when those were legit superstars.
He played cooper, pippen and rodman like a yo-yo until his back gave out.
ambchang
08-18-2019, 03:40 PM
And yes, Kobe >>> Burd.
And after Colorado, white media HATED Kobe. SMH at amb :lol
Kobe is really in the dirk, pedo, Garnett level. Definitely and all time great but his numbers just don’t add up. All of his “accomplishments” were team based. There isn’t one single thing that puts him over a player like Karl Malone other than playing with shaq and/or having a loaded front line.
Bird on the other hand dominated. He made players like Nique, who really is Kobe playing in a small market, look like Vince carter.
ambchang
08-18-2019, 03:43 PM
A LkrFan small film. Playing the role of Burd: Christian Laettner. Playing the part of MJ: any athlete in today's NBA. :lol
Theme: Burd playing defense in the 20th century. Let's see how he'd fare:
https://twitter.com/CuffsTheLegend/status/1162829060596273152?s=19
Any questions? :lol
Comparing bird to Laettner is like comparing Jordan to any athlete in :lol today’s nba, the difference is that huge. Not going to argue with you on that.
lefty
08-18-2019, 03:48 PM
Russell also said chamberlain was his friend to gain an advantage. Bird saying magic was better was to say things people want to hear and boost magics ego.
Dirk was great, but birds leadership and vision of the game was second to none. I love dirk, one of my favourite non spurs player ever along with magic, pollen and Clyde, but he wasn’t bird.
Three straight MVPs and leading one of the best teams of all time in an era of magic’s and Isiah’s peak, along with young Jordan, Barkley, Hakeem, Clyde, and Ewing.
He made Nique and worthy look like second rated stars when those were legit superstars.
He played cooper, pippen and rodman like a yo-yo until his back gave out.
Who is pollen?
LkrFan
08-18-2019, 04:09 PM
Kobe is really in the dirk, pedo, Garnett level. Definitely and all time great but his numbers just don’t add up. All of his “accomplishments” were team based. There isn’t one single thing that puts him over a player like Karl Malone other than playing with shaq and/or having a loaded front line.
Bird on the other hand dominated. He made players like Nique, who really is Kobe playing in a small market, look like Vince carter.
Who's pedo?
Spurtacular
08-18-2019, 04:31 PM
Lemme guess: Burd was your hero. Amirite? ;) Tell you what, I'll upgrade his ceiling. He'd be Ryan Anderson in today's NBA :lol
Is that better? No? Kyle KorverPERIOD. No more than det tbh.
Tell us who is the modern equivalent of Earvin Johnson?
LkrFan
08-18-2019, 05:06 PM
Tell us who is the modern equivalent of Earvin Johnson?
LBJ
Spurtacular
08-18-2019, 05:09 PM
LBJ
Who is better?
LkrFan
08-18-2019, 05:12 PM
Who is better?
One is 60 the other is 34. Bad question son.
Spurtacular
08-18-2019, 05:13 PM
One is 60 the other is 34. Bad question son.
You know what I mean. Don't dodge. Who is better?
LkrFan
08-18-2019, 05:27 PM
You know what I mean. Don't dodge. Who is better?
Magic is my favorite player of all time. Magic.
Spurtacular
08-18-2019, 05:49 PM
Magic is my favorite player of all time. Magic.
That's not the question. Who is better, Lebron or Magic?
Spurtacular
08-18-2019, 05:52 PM
Russell also said chamberlain was his friend to gain an advantage. Bird saying magic was better was to say things people want to hear and boost magics ego.
Dirk was great, but birds leadership and vision of the game was second to none. I love dirk, one of my favourite non spurs player ever along with magic, pollen and Clyde, but he wasn’t bird.
Three straight MVPs and leading one of the best teams of all time in an era of magic’s and Isiah’s peak, along with young Jordan, Barkley, Hakeem, Clyde, and Ewing.
He made Nique and worthy look like second rated stars when those were legit superstars.
He played cooper, pippen and rodman like a yo-yo until his back gave out.
Five straight really; NBA marketing had to give MJ and Magic their first MVP's at Bird's expense.
LkrFan
08-18-2019, 06:17 PM
That's not the question. Who is better, Lebron or Magic?
I just said Magic. ¡¿Quieres que lo diga en español?! :lol
LkrFan
08-18-2019, 06:19 PM
Kobe is really in the dirk, pedo, Garnett level. Definitely and all time great but his numbers just don’t add up. All of his “accomplishments” were team based. There isn’t one single thing that puts him over a player like Karl Malone other than playing with shaq and/or having a loaded front line.
Bird on the other hand dominated. He made players like Nique, who really is Kobe playing in a small market, look like Vince carter.
You know you a bad man when you make MJ pay to see you play:
n3xeVpa-_3M
:toast
lefty
08-18-2019, 06:26 PM
You know you a bad man when you make MJ pay to see you play:
n3xeVpa-_3M
:toast
He went to see Pippen
LkrFan
08-18-2019, 06:32 PM
He went to see Pippen
You sure he didn't go to see Rodman? :downspin: it!! :lol
ambchang
08-18-2019, 08:53 PM
Who is pollen?
:lol. Meant Pippen. Autocorrect
ambchang
08-18-2019, 08:55 PM
Who's pedo?
Should have narrowed it down as it could be Calvin Murphy or Hakeem, but the most sickening one is Karl Malone so pedo is his trademarked handle.
ambchang
08-18-2019, 08:58 PM
You know you a bad man when you make MJ pay to see you play:
n3xeVpa-_3M
:toast
First that made zero sense.
Second, Jordan just trying to see how kobe handles things after games. Once he found out kobe had to finish solo in the shower Jordan realized he’s got nothing to learn.
Third, shaq got triple everytime he got the ball. :lol at kobe being 1a to the three rings. That was basically throughout the lakers threepeat
Fourth, 7-18 :lol
LkrFan
08-18-2019, 09:20 PM
Should have narrowed it down as it could be Calvin Murphy or Hakeem, but the most sickening one is Karl Malone so pedo is his trademarked handle.
:lol
lefty
08-18-2019, 11:25 PM
:lol. Meant Pippen. Autocorrect
Lol
Spurtacular
08-19-2019, 12:29 AM
I just said Magic. ¡¿Quieres que lo diga en español?! :lol
How is Magic better than Lebron? He's weaker and an even shittier shooter. Half his assists were just feeding Lou Alcindor in the post.
FrostKing
08-19-2019, 01:36 AM
Pollen > Lebron
LkrFan
08-19-2019, 04:54 AM
How is Magic better than Lebron? He's weaker and an even shittier shooter. Half his assists were just feeding Lou Alcindor in the post.
You probably too young to know much about him. Google Magic or look him up on YouTube.
Then again, don't. This is a Spurs board. No such thing as being objective when it comes to Lakers. :lol
lefty
08-19-2019, 06:36 AM
How is Magic better than Lebron? He's weaker and an even shittier shooter. Half his assists were just feeding Lou Alcindor in the post.
lefty
08-19-2019, 06:38 AM
Magic’s passing is overrated
Basic entry passes to Kareem, dribble dribble dribble dribble, swing left, swing right , sky hook, assist Magic
“No look” passes on 3 vs 1 fast breaks
Bird’s passing was superior
Spurtacular
08-19-2019, 02:13 PM
Magic’s passing is overrated
Basic entry passes to Kareem, dribble dribble dribble dribble, swing left, swing right , sky hook, assist Magic
“No look” passes on 3 vs 1 fast breaks
Bird’s passing was superior
And when Stockton came around and took the assists title from him by a good margin, they were all so sure he must be padding his totals, so they tried to stat pad and failed. :lmao
Spurtacular
08-19-2019, 02:14 PM
You probably too young to know much about him. Google Magic or look him up on YouTube.
Then again, don't. This is a Spurs board. No such thing as being objective when it comes to Lakers. :lol
You don't have a good answer for how Earvin is better than Lebron, tbh.
FrostKing
08-19-2019, 02:17 PM
To me alot of Magic's on the court legacy centers on that performance in the 1980 NBA Finals. It is his greatest accomplishment. Without that I wouldn't have him at GOAT status either
lefty
08-19-2019, 02:40 PM
To me alot of Magic's on the court legacy centers on that performance in the 1980 NBA Finals. It is his greatest accomplishment. Without that I wouldn't have him at GOAT status either
Yeah but people tend to forget how Kareem destroyed the Sixers’ frontline before his injury.
Apparently the media didn’t vote for him because he wasn’t media friendly, so they voted for Magic instead
lefty
08-19-2019, 02:41 PM
And when Stockton came around and took the assists title from him by a good margin, they were all so sure he must be padding his totals, so they tried to stat pad and failed. :lmao
:lol source? (Srs)
Spurtacular
08-19-2019, 02:44 PM
:lol source? (Srs)
It was on one of those throwback Laker shows that they play on Fox Sports in LA. Worthy was the one stating that. Unfortunately, I don't have any links for that.
Arcadian
08-19-2019, 03:11 PM
Nevermind Pippen - the most interesting debate to be had is Durant vs. Leonard. They're both very close at this point, with 2 rings and 2 FMVPs each. Where will they end up? It's anybody's guess at this point. For two guys to have such radically different career trajectories, and yet to end up as the two best players in the league and two of the best ever at their position, is quite fascinating.
Spurtacular
08-19-2019, 03:34 PM
lefty (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6896)
I remember the refs cheating their asses off to get the Lakers those wins against the Jazz and Mavs in 88. And :lol @ Stockton hanging 23/24 on the Magic and the Lakers in their building in a playoff game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnGmWQG_EIc
lefty
08-19-2019, 03:45 PM
It was on one of those throwback Laker shows that they play on Fox Sports in LA. Worthy was the one stating that. Unfortunately, I don't have any links for that.
Ah ok
Holy shit that’s petty :lol
lefty
08-19-2019, 03:48 PM
lefty (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6896)
I remember the refs cheating their asses off to get the Lakers those wins against the Jazz and Mavs in 88. And :lol @ Stockton hanging 23/24 on the Magic and the Lakers in their building in a playoff game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnGmWQG_EIc
Yeah I read an article about the NBA rigging series for the Lakers in 88 against Utah and Dallas (and let’s not forget the BS call against Laimbeer)
Stockton out assisting Earvin in his turf during the playoffs with less talent around him tells you what you need to know about Magic’s “amazing passing”
And people jizz over Jordan beating a “great” Jazz team in 97/98 (also thanks to the refs)
The 88 team was much better than the 97/98 iteration
Spurtacular
08-19-2019, 03:52 PM
Ah ok
Holy shit that’s petty :lol
:lol Yea, I would love to find a link on that. Those Lakers were so damn envious of Stockton. 80's Lakers were such a sham. Team of the decade, my ass.
Spurtacular
08-19-2019, 03:54 PM
Yeah I read an article about the NBA rigging series for the Lakers in 88 against Utah and Dallas (and let’s not forget the BS call against Laimbeer)
Stockton out assisting Earvin in his turf during the playoffs with less talent around him tells you what you need to know about Magic’s “amazing passing”
And people jizz over Jordan beating a “great” Jazz team in 97/98 (also thanks to the refs)
The 88 team was much better than the 97/98 iteration
Stockton/Malone were definitely prime in 87/88. League had to pull stuff just like they did later on when the Lakers beat a young Westbrook/Harden/Durant.
88 Jazz, Mavs, Pistons were all better than the Lakers; it was some serious BS being pulled.
LkrFan
08-19-2019, 04:33 PM
Yeah but people tend to forget how Kareem destroyed the Sixers’ frontline before his injury.
Apparently the media didn’t vote for him because he wasn’t media friendly, so they voted for Magic instead
This is true. The media hated him worse than they hated Kobe post Colorado.
He has won on every level. Elementary, Middle School, High School and college. Didn't UCLA have like an 88-game winning streak? :lol Would've had 4 NCAA championships, but Freshmen couldn't play back then. His UCLA teams were dominant. In the pros he had 6 rangs, several MVPs, etc, etc.
They changed rules to try and slow him down. Even outlawed dunking at one point. What does he do? Develop the most deadly shot in NBA history. He the true GOAT, but the media loves Dad Killa.
FrostKing
08-19-2019, 05:07 PM
This is true. The media hated him worse than they hated Kobe post Colorado.
He has won on every level. Elementary, Middle School, High School and college. Didn't UCLA have like an 88-game winning streak? :lol Would've had 4 NCAA championships, but Freshmen couldn't play back then. His UCLA teams were dominant. In the pros he had 6 rangs, several MVPs, etc, etc.
They changed rules to try and slow him down. Even outlawed dunking at one point. What does he do? Develop the most deadly shot in NBA history. He the true GOAT, but the media loves Dad Killa.
I have Kareem near the top too but how did he not single handily win more before joining LA? The first half of his career was pretty pathetic. He failed to build an empire in Milwaukee the way Jordan did in next door Chicago
lefty
08-19-2019, 06:06 PM
I have Kareem near the top too but how did he not single handily win more before joining LA? The first half of his career was pretty pathetic. He failed to build an empire in Milwaukee the way Jordan did in next door Chicago
Did Kareem win without Oscar ?no
Did MJ win without Pippen, Stern and expansion? No
FrostKing
08-19-2019, 06:53 PM
Did Kareem win without Oscar ?no
Did MJ win without Pippen, Stern and expansion? No
There were 9 teams in the entire Conference back then.
Kareem going to the Lakers would be the equivalent of Jordan joining the Celtics
Jordan would have 5-peat in the 70s
Spurtacular
08-19-2019, 07:10 PM
lefty
Magic saying he doesn't respect a lot of players in the league.
:lmao No wonder they all wanted his ass to stay away after he retired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89qPUIicXzE
lefty
08-19-2019, 08:58 PM
lefty
Magic saying he doesn't respect a lot of players in the league.
:lmao No wonder they all wanted his ass to stay away after he retired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89qPUIicXzE
:lol either or he can’t speak English
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