Pop should retire?

[spurspl]

What do u guys think about pop? Should he retire?

Imo he doesnt fit to nowadays basketball, bc of him we lost a great oportunity to rebuild trading the best asset (kawhi) to TOR for ddr -.- , very short sightseeing, a nonsense chasing another PO and fighting for 7-8 seed and finally nobody wants to play in USA team. I really admire Pop(top3 coach ever easily) but as a spurs fan im tired of watching spurs with no progress.

[widowmaker]

These russian trolls are everywhere.

[KayBee]

So many people are in for a rude awakening when he does. Enjoy it while it lasts.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Should OP retire?

vote yes below by posting :pop:

[KobesAchilles]

I think Pop should retire. And yes the trade for DDR was horrible, no doubt about it, but that’s more on Kawhi than Pop. Nobody offered him anything and Kawhi, who had already missed an entire season, was threatening not to play again in the next season.

But Pop I thought was done in 2011 when we lost to the grizzzlies in the first round. Then to his credit he adapted and learned from his mistakes and came back with a vengeance 2012-2014. Best coaching I’ve ever seen from anyone. Period. 2015 we get injured. 2016 Kawhi isn’t ready to be the man. 2017 we should’ve rung and 2018 was an admirable job tbh.

But last year was his 2011 all over again and it looks like he’s done. He made all the classic mistakes that he didn’t make when he was at the top of his game. Remember he benched Marco in the playoffs during 2014 and barely played him any meaningful minutes. He didn’t politic or accept bad defense. But last year he over played Marco and he over played Patty and he somehow thought that playing them together and making the worst defensive backcourt since Avery and Vinny was a good idea. He didn’t adjust to it at all and it cost us the series. Add in the fact that his solution to Plumlee was to let Gay iso him every possession instead of running pick n rolls with Rudy Gay or even having LMA screen and roll with Gay to get two slow defenders in bad position in Plumlee and Jokic. But instead he just said eh chuck away 15 foot fall away jumpers. I just don’t understand his fascination with Mills and rolling with him in game 7. He scored a whopping single more point than White did. The kid won you a game not Mills so roll with him and show confidence in him going forward.

Also how many games did he lose us with him just iso balling DDR at the end of games? And his out of time out plays have gotten horrible as well. It’s time for him to retire. He’s had a great career.

[Harry Callahan]

Pop has earned the right to call it a day at his choosing. I think he is still one of the best. This team should have been in the final eight last year - they should have defeated Denver.

The Spurs are paying the price now for having American AAU drama queens being in the top dog roles over the last four years. The Duncans, Parkers, Ginobilis and Robinson's of the world had a little bit more perspective and self-awareness and appreciated the San Antonio environment. They never quit or gave up. 75% of today's NBA "stars" are coddled and difficult to deal with - they do not handle adversity very well.

[Dex]

I think you should retire.

[Yogatti]

should've just trade Kawhi for Tobias, Shai-Gilgeious Alexander and a dozen of picks. Would've been better than Debrick Depression

[jhfenton]

So many people are in for a rude awakening when he does. Enjoy it while it lasts.

+1 Folks are spoiled. I dread the day that Pop retires.

[mookie2001]

He’s getting back to the NBA finals. Guarantee

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

He’s getting back to the NBA finals. Guarantee

:smchode:

[timtonymanu]

The Spurs roster was terrible last year and he still got them to the playoffs and nearly 50 wins. Nephew quitting on the team was never a Pop issue cause he still ended up ditching Toronto. Really, the current crop of NBA players are entitled and divas. Won’t be surprised if any of the young guys like Murray, White, Lonnie turn into a star and ditch San Antonio because it’s the cool thing to do.

Pop has his flaws but he’s still a good coach and the Spurs don’t have a more suitable alternate at the moment. IMO, it’s players on the team that need to go (Derozan, Beli, Mills to name a few).

[KayBee]

Pop is all that’s left. The new breed is everything this forum claims to hate when he’s gone, so, too, are the Spurs as we know them. That will be the time of the “entitled” superstars. No more culture when that happens. We might as well be the f*cking Clippers when that happens. Just another hapless franchise. Yay?

[dbestpro]

He's not as focused on the game as he use to be. Too much politics or too much loss with his wife passing. He just is not the coach he use to be.

[MultiTroll]

Since we're in for:


:crysuch a letdown when Pop retires:cry

1. Should the new coach be expected to be better then Pops 1st year? A .266 win %. 17-47.

2. Will the new coach get a Tim Duncan equivilent in the draft in between his 1st and 2nd season?

[TimmyBuckets]

lol rebuild? Look around the league. Just because you bust every year doesn't guarantee you a thing. There are countless examples. We have a young core and are still competitive. Not to mention he's [arguably] the GOAT. Spoiled fans blame an unwinnable situation on Pop and front office, get a few non championship-competing seasons, and go ape shit. Rebuild? What do you think Spurs are doing? I think you mean dismantle and potentially end up no where. There is more than one way to rebuild.

[slick'81]

Becky hammon time

[Frenchfred]

Some people still thinks that Kawhi was going to stay? Him leaving had nothing to do with Pop, he wanted to go to LA and he is there. Anything else, injury mismanagement, is just an excuse. Some people need to realize that SA is not an attractive city and it is a small market

[spurspl]

Since we're in for:


:crysuch a letdown when Pop retires:cry

1. Should the new coach be expected to be better then Pops 1st year? A .266 win %. 17-47.

2. Will the new coach get a Tim Duncan equivilent in the draft in between his 1st and 2nd season?

1. easily
2. yes if they want to tank, lets say timmy would be a new coach, hes much younger than pop and he could sacrafice 1-2seasons to get top picks, make sime trades and build a championship roster.


lol rebuild? Look around the league. Just because you bust every year doesn't guarantee you a thing. There are countless examples. We have a young core and are still competitive. Not to mention he's [arguably] the GOAT. Spoiled fans blame an unwinnable situation on Pop and front office, get a few non championship-competing seasons, and go ape shit. Rebuild? What do you think Spurs are doing? I think you mean dismantle and potentially end up no where. There is more than one way to rebuild.

imo being competetive is havin a real chances to get at least conference finals not 7-8 seed. There are two ways to rebuild: 1) trading best aasets for younger prospect or draft picks ( spurs failed), 2) drafting top players (spurs drafted some decent players, but thats not enough). How the spurs dynasty was build?? By DRAFTING robinson and duncan. Than they add some potential players as tp and manu. Without timmy and robinson, top 1 picks, u could forget about having a dynasty or even a championship.

AND if u wanna see a smart and rebuild-oriented moves take a look at pelicans or even a bulls or mavericks


Some people still thinks that Kawhi was going to stay? Him leaving had nothing to do with Pop, he wanted to go to LA and he is there. Anything else, injury mismanagement, is just an excuse. Some people need to realize that SA is not an attractive city and it is a small market

imo pop had some impact on kawhis leaving. There had to be a bad relationship between them before all the drama. Kawhi said he wanted to play only in LA. This info just ruined a spurs leverage. Thats not what u do to man/organization u respect and have good relationship with.
I know that sa isnt an attractive city and there is a serious problem with small market but as long as u are a contender it really doesnt matter. There are still a superstars that want to win a ring. Now spurs arent a contender and do nothing to be in mear future so im not suprised that nobody wants to play here.

[Othyus Lalanne]

So many people are in for a rude awakening when he does. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Why wouldn't ownership enable an another great coach?


:smchode:

Injuries happen, forced a game 7 against Denver...

[exstatic]

lol rebuild? Look around the league. Just because you bust every year doesn't guarantee you a thing. There are countless examples. We have a young core and are still competitive. Not to mention he's [arguably] the GOAT. Spoiled fans blame an unwinnable situation on Pop and front office, get a few non championship-competing seasons, and go ape shit. Rebuild? What do you think Spurs are doing? I think you mean dismantle and potentially end up no where. There is more than one way to rebuild.

Right? Philly was in the lottery for FIVE STRAIGHT YEARS, and still has no chip to show for it. No Finals. Picking high in the lottery, they’ve missed as much as they’ve hit.

Boston had a ton of high picks from their Nets haul. No chip. No Finals.

[spurspl]

Right? Philly was in the lottery for FIVE STRAIGHT YEARS, and still has no chip to show for it. No Finals. Picking high in the lottery, they’ve missed as much as they’ve hit.

Boston had a ton of high picks from their Nets haul. No chip. No Finals.

And who is better now? Who has better roster and has more chances to be in the finals? Spurs or Philly/Boston?

[benefactor]

Absolutely incredible thread idea. Will share it's unparalleled originality with family, friends and all strangers I pass on the street today.

[spurspl]

Absolutely incredible thread idea. Will share it's unparalleled originality with family, friends and all strangers I pass on the street today.

i just wanna know spurs fans opinion bout Pop. And its not so stupid thread bc over 26% voted yes. I was prepared for the comments like yours bc i expected that most of u are in love with pop. But dont u think that spurs made sime bad moves last years and pop isnt that guy like he was in his prime?

[rjv]

i think spurspl should retire.

[spurspl]

i think spurspl should retire.

i think u really dont see how bad management is right now. But i wont discuss with someone who cant say anything substantive and probably still believe that spurs are contender upcoming season xd

[sasaint]

Right? Philly was in the lottery for FIVE STRAIGHT YEARS, and still has no chip to show for it. No Finals. Picking high in the lottery, they’ve missed as much as they’ve hit.

Boston had a ton of high picks from their Nets haul. No chip. No Finals.

Don't you think PATFO could have done a better job than Boston or Philly with those picks?

[Seventyniner]

And who is better now? Who has better roster and has more chances to be in the finals? Spurs or Philly/Boston?

Philly and Boston, but mostly because they play in the East. Put both of those teams in the West and the Spurs in the East and the answer becomes San Antonio.

[rjv]

i think u really dont see how bad management is right now. But i wont discuss with someone who cant say anything substantive and probably still believe that spurs are contender upcoming season xd

but you did discuss it with me.

[rjv]

Absolutely incredible thread idea. Will share it's unparalleled originality with family, friends and all strangers I pass on the street today.

yes, glad this op-ed has decided to bring such a fresh topic and previously ignored thoughts to this forum.

[spurspl]

Philly and Boston, but mostly because they play in the East. Put both of those teams in the West and the Spurs in the East and the answer becomes San Antonio.
ur right, west is much stronger conference and spurs would probably be higher in the east. But there is no way that spurs are now better than philly or boston. And wont be better at least in a next 3-4yrs unless PATFO change strategy or philly/bos do sth stupid

[Nivek_ogre]

Another whiny bitch post

[Pavlov]

i think u really dont see how bad management is right now.Who do you want in their place?

[spurspl]

Who do you want in their place?

anyone who wants to make spurs a contender again

[Pavlov]

anyone who wants to make spurs a contender againLike who?

[KimmyGib]

What do u guys think about pop? Should he retire?

Imo he doesnt fit to nowadays basketball, bc of him we lost a great oportunity to rebuild trading the best asset (kawhi) to TOR for ddr -.- , very short sightseeing, a nonsense chasing another PO and fighting for 7-8 seed and finally nobody wants to play in USA team. I really admire Pop(top3 coach ever easily) but as a spurs fan im tired of watching spurs with no progress.


should've just trade Kawhi for Tobias, Shai-Gilgeious Alexander and a dozen of picks. Would've been better than Debrick Depression

is OP talking to himself?

[timtonymanu]

Is OP a kobyz troll? :lol

[rjv]

is OP talking to himself?

stream of consciousness.

[Spurtacular]

The Spurs roster was terrible last year and he still got them to the playoffs and nearly 50 wins.

Two all stars and other serviceable players is not terrible.

[MultiTroll]

Like who?
How about Timmy Duncan.
Think he could eclipse Pops 1st year win % of .266?

Yes or no?

[Chinook]

Another whiny bitch post

God, seriously. I don't get why anyone would want to tank. You're never gonna see a situation where you go, "Oh, you missed your chance. You should have tanked." You can ALWAYS blow it up. It's never too late to do that. If the Spurs blow it up in five years rather than in one, the only difference will be that they were a good team for longer. Being bad doesn't mean shit unless you happen to be bad when a legit All-Timer comes out. The last obvious All-Timer to come out in the draft was Lebron. Zion might be the next, but we'll see. Even getting Simmons wouldn't make the Spurs better than just staying the course. Most superstars aren't the clear best player of this classes. Durant, Leonard, Giannis, Jokic and most of the others didn't outshine one or more prospects that ended up being much worse players than them. KD was at least 1b but Oden was at least even with him in almost everyone's minds.

So sure, if a true home-run guarantee was about to come out, I get tanking. The Spurs did that for Duncan. But most of the guys drafted, even at the top of the round, won't be better than LMA (2nd-overall) and DeRozan (9th-overall) or even Rudy Gay (8th-overall). Those are highly drafted, proven guys. You aren't likely to get better than them, so why would you force yourself to try? If you want to want to win, scout well, coach guys up and try to make moves to be the best team you can without sacrificing the future. That's what PATFO did. Somehow, SA has managed to assemble the asset war chest of a much worse team despite only trading for one prospect and one pick over the past seven years. It's amazing. Let's see what they can parlay that into. Of course, I have my own ideas, namely only holding onto the top three or so guys and moving the rest for win-now pieces. But they have earned the right to do what they think is best.

Pop certainly shouldn't retire just so the Spurs can hope to be Philly in five years, when the Spurs right now would very likely beat the Sixers in a playoff series. And :lol to whomever put Boston in when the Celtics would get their shit pushed in by any playoff team in the West.

[Frenchfred]

imo pop had some impact on kawhis leaving. There had to be a bad relationship between them before all the drama. Kawhi said he wanted to play only in LA. This info just ruined a spurs leverage. Thats not what u do to man/organization u respect and have good relationship with.
I know that sa isnt an attractive city and there is a serious problem with small market but as long as u are a contender it really doesnt matter. There are still a superstars that want to win a ring. Now spurs arent a contender and do nothing to be in mear future so im not suprised that nobody wants to play here.

When somebody wants to live in a big city in their home state, there is nothing you can do. You think that there was a bad relationship but you have no idea. For sure, a player who acts like a drama queen with two years left in his contract probably didn't go well with a guy like Pop but that's all on Kawhi. The fact that he just left the team that won the championship shows exactly that this is not about playing for a contender. Kawhi wanted to play for LA and he is there.

Which superstar has come to SA in their prime? None, zero. The Spurs have been winners thanks to the draft and going after good role players that complement well the Spurs stars. Despite being a contender (winner) for years, there was not one superstar who wanted to join the Spurs. San Antonio is not attractive, that's all.

[Pavlov]

How about Timmy Duncan.
Think he could eclipse Pops 1st year win % of .266?

Yes or no?With the same roster Pop had then?

No.

[spurspl]

When somebody wants to live in a big city in their home state, there is nothing you can do. You think that there was a bad relationship but you have no idea. For sure, a player who acts like a drama queen with two years left in his contract probably didn't go well with a guy like Pop but that's all on Kawhi. The fact that he just left the team that won the championship shows exactly that this is not about playing for a contender. Kawhi wanted to play for LA and he is there.

Which superstar has come to SA in their prime? None, zero. The Spurs have been winners thanks to the draft and going after good role players that complement well the Spurs stars. Despite being a contender (winner) for years, there was not one superstar who wanted to join the Spurs. San Antonio is not attractive, that's all.

or maybe he didnt like the organization/people not the city. Or he noticed that he wont win another chip with spurs. And then he decided to go away to his home town. U never know.
Agree he acted like a drama queen and thats the reason hes not my fav player anymore.
im glad that u noticed how important for spurs draft is. and its really hard to draft a star having late picks (thats exactly what spurs are doing right now)
One came here to win a chip, LMA (poor guy)
Earlier nobody came here bc spurs were contenders almost 20yrs. They had high drafted robinson and duncan then added parker and manu. U didnt need any superstar having these beasts in a rosterc.

[MultiTroll]

With the same roster Pop had then?

No.
Chumplov folds.

[Pavlov]

Chumplov folds.I just said no, dipshit.

Made any progress stalking the former dancers, Carbbs?

Yes or no.

[MultiTroll]

I just said no, dipshit.

The question was not "are you heterosexual?"

[Pavlov]

The question was not "are you heterosexual?"Carbbs folds.

[Frenchfred]

or maybe he didnt like the organization/people not the city. Or he noticed that he wont win another chip with spurs. And then he decided to go away to his home town. U never know.
Agree he acted like a drama queen and thats the reason hes not my fav player anymore.
im glad that u noticed how important for spurs draft is. and its really hard to draft a star having late picks (thats exactly what spurs are doing right now)
One came here to win a chip, LMA (poor guy)
Earlier nobody came here bc spurs were contenders almost 20yrs. They had high drafted robinson and duncan then added parker and manu. U didnt need any superstar having these beasts in a rosterc.

We agree but for somebody who doesn't know what happened, you are quick to put the blame on Pop. The team could have won a championship with the roster they had last year with him instead of Derozan, they would have been one of the favorites. We'll see what he does in LA. Contrary to most people, I don't think that the Clippers are the favorites.

[Rummpd]

He's not as focused on the game as he use to be. Too much politics or too much loss with his wife passing. He just is not the coach he use to be.

Agree get out with making playoffs streak intact.

[manufan10]

You make it to the playoffs you at least give yourself a chance to win the title. If you tank there is zero chance to win a title. I'll take my chances in a playoff run.

[BackHome]

I think this will be his last year he is grooming Timmy to take over but I would not mind if he stayed one more year to hopefully groom Manu.

[spurspl]

You make it to the playoffs you at least give yourself a chance to win the title. If you tank there is zero chance to win a title. I'll take my chances in a playoff run.

as i remember nobody has ever won a title from 7-8seed.

[DMC]

Saying someone like Pop should retire is really silly. Pop is a lifer, he'll retire when he sees fit. There's not another coach out there who can carry his jock strap, much less coach this team to the playoffs.

[LkrFan]

:smchode:

:lol

[MultiTroll]

as i remember nobody has ever won a title from 7-8seed.
The 1994–95 Houston Rockets, a 6th seed with a record of 47–35, are the lowest seeded team to win.

[dbreiden83080]

You want Becky running things? And then Spurs MGT afraid to fire her because of this Me Too/Girl Power world we live in now..

[Nathan89]

Tim Duncan needs to be groomed tbh

[spurspl]

anyone wants to change mind after this great pops and teams usa performance at WC? Feel free to do that ;) And u still think that pop will make this spurs roster a contender while he cannot win with some average european national teams hahah

[ElNono]

Pop has earned the right to call it a day at his choosing.

this

[MultiTroll]

:lol
Pop 2019 - 2023.

Should we do a 2024 poll?
Or just add on to scotts thread.
I am a Sniffer. It is time to Fire Pop. - Page 15 (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302881&page=15&p=10997803#post10997803)

Welp, it could be said Pop lead to #1 Wemby as no other NBA coach could have.

[Russo21]

Solid bump :clap Pops regular season record in seasons without TD holding his hand is

Won 300
Lost 352 (last time I checked)

Well and truly a sub .500 coach without Duncan masking his deficiencies. Could be sub .400 by the time the old coot retires the way he's going. Most overrated coach in the history of the NBA.

[GAustex]

^ so over rated
A drunk and a asshole too

[tapiefan]

I remember when Pop said he would retire when Tim retired. Fucking senile old liar.