You guys following the GBRA threatening to drain all the Guadalupe basin lakes?

[CosmicCowboy]

I may sound like boutons but this is pure government protected corporate greed destroying the lake ecosystems and the lives of thousands who have built their lives around the lakes. GBRA made bank for 50 years on the hydroelectric dams without putting back a dime to replace the dams and with energy deregulation they now say oops...we are losing money on hydroelectric now so we are just going to drain the lakes so they dont have to take care of the dams. They are claiming "safety" which is total bullshit because the city/counties have already said they would ban entry above and below the Dams and provide law enforcement to make sure any "danger" areas weren't entered and LCRA said nope...we are draining the lakes starting on September 15. What bullshit.

[koriwhat]

I may sound like boutons but this is pure government protected corporate greed destroying the lake ecosystems and the lives of thousands who have built their lives around the lakes. GBRA made bank for 50 years on the hydroelectric dams without putting back a dime to replace the dams and with energy deregulation they now say oops...we are losing money on hydroelectric now so we are just going to drain the lakes so they dont have to take care of the dams. They are claiming "safety" which is total bullshit because the city/counties have already said they would ban entry above and below the Dams and provide law enforcement to make sure any "danger" areas weren't entered and LCRA said nope...we are draining the lakes starting on September 15. What bullshit.

it's lame... a family friend just built a house out there on the lake not even 3 yrs ago and it's at like 2ft right now. i'd be so pissed and super pissed that my house/land value just plummeted seeing how it's no longer lakeside view.

[CosmicCowboy]

Plus the lake associations have already said they would work with the GBRA to create taxing districts of only lakefront owners to fucking pay for rebuilding the dams GBRA neglected if just given time to do it and GBRA shit all over them and said nope...we are abandoning the dams and draining the lakes in two weeks..

[Pavlov]

Shouldn't have been given that power in the first place.

[CosmicCowboy]

Shouldn't have been given that power in the first place.

Texas did it back in the 30s for hydroelectric generation. Now all the money is in selling water/sewer service for them so they want out of the hydroelectric dam business.

[CosmicCowboy]

There is a billion dollars of lakefront real estate on the three main lakes that is about to take at least a 50% hit hurting the schools especially, not counting all the business sales tax lost because they destroyed these gorgeous lakes.

[dabom6]

There is a billion dollars of lakefront real estate on the three main lakes that is about to take at least a 50% hit hurting the schools especially, not counting all the business sales tax lost because they destroyed these gorgeous lakes.

Thanks orange shit stain. :lol

[koriwhat]

Thanks orange shit stain. :lol

Drag them knuckles some more

[GAustex]

Thanks orange shit stain. :lol
Vicente Gonzalez A Democrat is the US Rep...

[pgardn]

Buying a house next to almost any body of water is a risk.
Hello Florida.

Flint Michigan cutting costs to get water from a polluted river. (Obama president, his fault)
Kinda pales in comparison.
Big companies will now have more leeway to dump shit where they want.
Thank you orange man.

So raise your hand if your second home lost its nice view.

[Spurtacular]

Shouldn't have been given that power in the first place.

Where would we be without your two-cent chime-in that everyone knows?

[SnakeBoy]

News to me. Is this story accurate
https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/With-dams-at-risk-of-failing-GBRA-looks-to-drain-14102897.php

Sounds like GBRA just wants to inspect and repair if possible but if beyond repair they don't have the money to rebuild. Homeowners position seems to be if you don't inspect then it ain't broke so don't inspect.

If the damn is beyond repair it seems like the homeowners could band together and buy it off of GBRA really cheap. Then through the proper application of free market principles they could rebuild the damns in a cost effective manner and ultimately turn a profit.

[SnakeBoy]

GBRA is right to drain lakes
https://www.expressnews.com/opinion/editorials/article/GBRA-is-right-to-drain-lakes-14371737.php?source=nlp

Sounds about right

[Blake]

This reminds me of much of our tax dollars are wasted on three garbage men riding in trucks when they only need one

[KobesAchilles]

Y’all should really look into water rights and which company owns which water source around SA. It’s scary to think that if shit hits the fan with Edwards Aquifer, we would all be fucked bc of all the red tape that would come along with 6 different companies fighting amongst each other. The entire water system in general is corrupt and nobody really cares for some reason

[CosmicCowboy]

News to me. Is this story accurate
https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/With-dams-at-risk-of-failing-GBRA-looks-to-drain-14102897.php

Sounds like GBRA just wants to inspect and repair if possible but if beyond repair they don't have the money to rebuild. Homeowners position seems to be if you don't inspect then it ain't broke so don't inspect.

If the damn is beyond repair it seems like the homeowners could band together and buy it off of GBRA really cheap. Then through the proper application of free market principles they could rebuild the damns in a cost effective manner and ultimately turn a profit.

GBRA doesnt want to do anything except drain the lakes. They want out of the hydroelectric business. Lakefront homeowners have volunteered to come up with the money to fix the dams by agreeing to tax themselves So bonds can be sold to finance the repairs but GBRA just wants to kill the lakes.

[SnakeBoy]

GBRA doesnt want to do anything except drain the lakes. They want out of the hydroelectric business. Lakefront homeowners have volunteered to come up with the money to fix the dams by agreeing to tax themselves So bonds can be sold to finance the repairs but GBRA just wants to kill the lakes.

Well the lakes have to be drained either way so I don't see what the problem is. Homeowners/local govt can work out a solution afterwards to take over and rebuild.

[CosmicCowboy]

Well the lakes have to be drained either way so I don't see what the problem is. Homeowners/local govt can work out a solution afterwards to take over and rebuild.

Understand that creating the taxing districts will take a year. Design/bid could take a couple more. Everyone understands the lakes may need to be lowered for construction but the lakes shouldn't be lowered before t hff at. Thousands of 100 year old cypress trees will die if the lake is drained for 5+ years and all the businesses that have grown up around the lakes will be crushed.

[Pavlov]

Well, looks like we're lucky only two dinky dams have failed so far. I'd need to know more about the inspection plan before outright condemning it.

[CosmicCowboy]

Well, looks like we're lucky only two dinky dams have failed so far. I'd need to know more about the inspection plan before outright condemning it.

The lake associations are ok with taking GBRAs word that the flood fates need to be replaced and are willing to fund it. They just dont want to drain the lakes until it's time to repair them. So far one flood gate on two different dams have failed with zero loss of life or property. GBRA is using "safety" as their excuse to drain the lakes but the city/counties involved have offered to ban all boating/swimming above and below the dams in the "danger zone" and provide the law enforcement to execute the closure and GBRA blew them off and said they were still going to drain the lakes.

[Pavlov]

The lake associations are ok with taking GBRAs word that the flood fates need to be replaced and are willing to fund it. They just dont want to drain the lakes until it's time to repair them. So far one flood gate on two different dams have failed with zero loss of life or property. GBRA is using "safety" as their excuse to drain the lakes but the city/counties involved have offered to ban all boating/swimming above and below the dams in the "danger zone" and provide the law enforcement to execute the closure and GBRA blew them off and said they were still going to drain the lakes.banning activities in the "danger zone" doesn't inspect them.

One has nothing to do with the other.

[ElNono]

No thoroughly familiar with the area/situation. Is demolishing the dams an option? Or are they there also for flood control?

[boutons_deux]

Flood control dam to protect New Braunfels, downstream residents
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/20/50/37/4360168/3/920x920.jpg

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Flood-control-dam-to-protect-New-Braunfels-4374572.php (https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Flood-control-dam-to-protect-New-Braunfels-4374572.php)

[GAustex]

No thoroughly familiar with the area/situation. Is demolishing the dams an option? Or are they there also for flood control?
Pretty sure that dams provide little flood control.

[SnakeBoy]

Understand that creating the taxing districts will take a year. Design/bid could take a couple more. Everyone understands the lakes may need to be lowered for construction but the lakes shouldn't be lowered before t hff at. Thousands of 100 year old cypress trees will die if the lake is drained for 5+ years and all the businesses that have grown up around the lakes will be crushed.

Landowners can foot the bill for watering the trees if they care that much. I get it, the property owners don't want to experience any loss on their investment so they are cool with taking the risk that more damns won't fail, easy position since they have zero liability.

[SnakeBoy]

No thoroughly familiar with the area/situation. Is demolishing the dams an option? Or are they there also for flood control?

No these are just little damns identical to this one that failed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrDvmcgu9tc

If you read the links it is very clear. Landowners don't want to to see a loss on their investment and want the GBRA to take the risk that a 3rd damn won't fail. Like I said to CC, easy position to take when you have zero liability.

[SnakeBoy]

Another way to look at it is the GBRA is just doing their part to provide more affordable housing.

[CosmicCowboy]

No these are just little damns identical to this one that failed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrDvmcgu9tc

If you read the links it is very clear. Landowners don't want to to see a loss on their investment and want the GBRA to take the risk that a 3rd damn won't fail. Like I said to CC, easy position to take when you have zero liability.

The counties were going to make it illegal to breach the flush zones. There is no liability to GBRA if someone gets hurt breaking the law.

[Pavlov]

Who maintained the dams before the GBRA took over in the 60s?

[CosmicCowboy]

Who maintained the dams before the GBRA took over in the 60s?

A private electric generation company. Dont remember the name.

[Chucho]

Regardless of the outcome, at least it's not a truly corrupt utility like PG+E.

[SnakeBoy]

The counties were going to make it illegal to breach the flush zones. There is no liability to GBRA if someone gets hurt breaking the law.

That wouldn't protect them. The cat is out of the bag, the damns are unsafe.

It is illegal to trespass on your property but that doesn't absolve you of liability if some kid comes onto your property and gets hurt.

Seems to me the op-ed I linked got it exactly right. The fastest way to a resolution is for GBRA to drain the lakes and then figure out a way to rebuild.

[boutons_deux]

Are the dams in bad condition due to lack of maintenance, or just 50+ years of deterioration, like lots of stuff USA built after WWII?

[Pavlov]

Are the dams in bad condition due to lack of maintenance, or just 50+ of deterioration, like lots of stuff USA built after WWII?They were built before WWII.

[SnakeBoy]

The design of the failed spillgate at Dunlap is no different from that for dams at other lakes in the area: Gonzales, Meadow, Placid and McQueeney. These dams date back to the 1920s and early ’30s

[CosmicCowboy]

That wouldn't protect them. The cat is out of the bag, the damns are unsafe.

It is illegal to trespass on your property but that doesn't absolve you of liability if some kid comes onto your property and gets hurt.

Seems to me the op-ed I linked got it exactly right. The fastest way to a resolution is for GBRA to drain the lakes and then figure out a way to rebuild.

Bullshit. A gate failure would be a 5' rise right below the dam that would rapidly spread out. This is a flood zone anyway. A gate break would mean a 10,000 cm flow. Floods have been as much as 200,000 cm. The danger is almost insignificant. You claim that people illegally breaching the flush zone could still litigate. That's bullshit. It's the same as someone driving around a high water barricade and getting washed away. Darwin at work.

[CosmicCowboy]

Cfm

[CosmicCowboy]

Are the dams in bad condition due to lack of maintenance, or just 50+ years of deterioration, like lots of stuff USA built after WWII?

The dams were built as hydroelectric dams. GBRA made tons of money off of them before energy deregulation in texas without ever putting anything back to repair/replace the dams.

[clambake]

The dams were built as hydroelectric dams. GBRA made tons of money off of them before energy deregulation in texas without ever putting anything back to repair/replace the dams.
smart business

ignore the broken heart club

[clambake]

not these days

anyone with a conscience is a pussy.

[SnakeBoy]

The dams were built as hydroelectric dams. GBRA made tons of money off of them before energy deregulation in texas without ever putting anything back to repair/replace the dams.

What's wrong with a company making profit? Seems a weird position for you as a conservative. Although you do have a history of changing your tune when you stand to gain or lose. And you brag a lot about what great real estate investments you make.

Are you about to take it up the ass on some lakefront property?

[boutons_deux]

Water Rights Shuffle Set Stage for Lake Draining Plan, Says Former GBRA Official

https://therivardreport.com/water-rights-shuffle-set-stage-for-lake-draining-plan-says-former-gbra-official/?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter-daily&utm_content=editorial&utm_term=environment&utm_source=Rivard+Report&utm_campaign=1a211de09a-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_12_21_07_19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1576c62124-1a211de09a-84683437&mc_cid=1a211de09a&mc_eid=54a5432c74 (https://therivardreport.com/water-rights-shuffle-set-stage-for-lake-draining-plan-says-former-gbra-official/?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter-daily&utm_content=editorial&utm_term=environment&utm_source=Rivard+Report&utm_campaign=1a211de09a-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_12_21_07_19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1576c62124-1a211de09a-84683437&mc_cid=1a211de09a&mc_eid=54a5432c74)

[CosmicCowboy]

GBRA just proposed a settlement agreement to stop the drain and close the lakes temporarily while experts do inspections. Judge gave attorneys time to discuss the offer. The court will recess until 1 p.m.

[TheGreatYacht]

What's wrong with a company making profit? Seems a weird position for you as a conservative. Although you do have a history of changing your tune when you stand to gain or lose. And you brag a lot about what great real estate investments you make.

Are you about to take it up the ass on some lakefront property?

Gotta let the almighty powerful "free market" and "profit-driven" companies do their thing.

[CosmicCowboy]

LOL The don't want to put Paterson on the stand and admit they have been planning this shit for years...

Seguin) -- It looks as though an agreement for a temporary injunction MIGHT be the outcome during today's hearing regarding the draining of the lakes. However, a temporary injunction is just that, "temporary" and would mean a future trial date between all parties. Over the weekend, GBRA's Attorney Lamont Jefferson initiated a settlement discussion for the pair of plaintiffs opposing the draining of the area hydro electric lakes. A list of bullet points regarding its settlement was provided to each of the attorney's seeking a temporary injunction and/or temporary restraining order against the river authority.

Jefferson says the GBRA agreed to the temporary injunction order which would not lower spillgates. But in exchange is asking to keep folks off the lake until reports from the experts regarding the safety are received. He says the receipt of those reports would then help it determine what parts if any could be open to activity. Jefferson did state that he felt that the plaintiff's seemed receptive in ordering the temporary injunction order but were not in agreement with each other on the plan and wanted to see if a settlement could be reached.

Attorney Ricardo Cedillo, who is representing 10 residents from Lake McQueeney and Lake Placid, says while they do see this as a good faith effort on behalf of GBRA, he wanted to make clear that he and the other Attorney Douglas Sutter, who is representing 295 plaintiffs, are 95 percent in total agreement and not so separate as Jefferson might think.

But he states that "the devil is in the details" and hopes to bridge that five percent gap when they return to the courtroom this afternoon.

As for Sutter, he says he is "cautiously optimistic" and is very concerned about putting this off and again reminded the court that if they agree to this temporary injunction, they, of course, will still have to go to trial.
Both Cedillo and Sutter also felt that it was unfortunate that all good faith efforts to reach a settlement prior to last week were not seriously considered by GBRA. Cedillo says his clients would rather have spent their money on finding a solution than on the cost of lawyers.

The attorneys also believed that they did not have sufficient time to go over the details of the settlement in time for today's 10 a.m. hearing. The pair of attorneys are now meeting privately with GBRA and with each other to see if they can iron out the fine details of what GBRA is proposing so that they are able to move forward with the Temporary Injunction. Today's hearing will resume at 1 pm at the Guadalupe County Justice Center.

[boutons_deux]

not these days

anyone with a conscience is a pussy.

yep, morals, ethics, fair play, honesty, trust, good faith, all dead in the church of toxic, inhumane, predatory, dog-eat-dog world-view (religion) of Capitalism.

[RandomGuy]

I may sound like boutons but this is pure government protected corporate greed destroying the lake ecosystems and the lives of thousands who have built their lives around the lakes. GBRA made bank for 50 years on the hydroelectric dams without putting back a dime to replace the dams and with energy deregulation they now say oops...we are losing money on hydroelectric now so we are just going to drain the lakes so they dont have to take care of the dams. They are claiming "safety" which is total bullshit because the city/counties have already said they would ban entry above and below the Dams and provide law enforcement to make sure any "danger" areas weren't entered and LCRA said nope...we are draining the lakes starting on September 15. What bullshit.

Soo.... all the rich people with houses on the "lake" now lose out, so that I can have cheaper electricity?

:tu

[RandomGuy]

What's wrong with a company making profit? Seems a weird position for you as a conservative. Although you do have a history of changing your tune when you stand to gain or lose. And you brag a lot about what great real estate investments you make.

Are you about to take it up the ass on some lakefront property?

https://www.bizavadvisor.com/wp-content/uploads/magic-8-ball-all-signs-point-to-yes-640x404.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

Soo.... all the rich people with houses on the "lake" now lose out, so that I can have cheaper electricity?

:tu

It's got nothing to do with cheaper electricity. GBRA wants to abandon the hydroelectric dams.

[RandomGuy]

It's got nothing to do with cheaper electricity. GBRA wants to abandon the hydroelectric dams.

... because it is cheaper than maintaining/fixing them, given the news releases.

Hardly surprising.

Given the choice between spending a ton of money on this stuff, and building newer cheaper wind capacity. Wonder what the LCE is on that choice.

[CosmicCowboy]

https://www.bizavadvisor.com/wp-content/uploads/magic-8-ball-all-signs-point-to-yes-640x404.jpg

Nope. We will get the dams repaired, GBRA will have to take some financial responsibility, and my house will ultimately be worth more because the dams are fixed. I would only lose if I tried to sell now, and I don't need to..

[Pavlov]

lol no wonder your panties are in a twist.

[RandomGuy]

GBRA is right to drain lakes
https://www.expressnews.com/opinion/editorials/article/GBRA-is-right-to-drain-lakes-14371737.php?source=nlp

Sounds about right


The best course of action has been modeled by the property owners at Lake Dunlap who have taken steps to form a special taxing district to help cover the costs of rebuilding the dams and refilling the lakes. Such districts would still need assistance from GBRA and, most likely, the state. But a taxing district is the first step toward restoration.

Could dewatering be avoided? We don’t see how. Maintaining the status quo is untenable. GBRA has tried all sorts of tricks to keep people away from these dams — warning signs, buoys marked “Keep out,” loudspeakers alerting the public to leave immediately — but to no avail. We can’t ignore those videos of people kayaking and boating to the edge of Nolte Dam on Meadow Lake. Officials have said they have recorded 40 incidents in which people have ignored warnings and ventured near these dams.

Litigation is almost certain, but to what end? The dams are still old and in need of repair. Doing nothing is not an option. We strongly encourage property owners to work with GBRA about next steps rather than fight the agency for making safety paramount.

Two dams have already failed.

Eyup. If the people there want to keep their expensive homes... pay the fucking taxes to keep the dams. The economics are fairly clear for the utility.

[RandomGuy]

lol no wonder your panties are in a twist.

https://365steph.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/magic-8-ball.png?w=500

Magic 8 ball called it. :lol

[RandomGuy]

Nope. We will get the dams repaired, GBRA will have to take some financial responsibility, and my house will ultimately be worth more because the dams are fixed. I would only lose if I tried to sell now, and I don't need to..

So your free ride at everyone else's expense is over. You can afford it though, so not a tragedy by anyone's definition.

[boutons_deux]

what's the property tax rate along the Guadalupe riverfront?

I remember after a bad flood along there few years ago, the house owners, probably many of whom are wealthy govt-hating Repugs, wanted the govt to pay to lift their buildings onto stilts

[Pavlov]

Why don't one of you guys just buy the dams? Private ownership and all that. Surely you can do better than any gubmit.

[SnakeBoy]

Why don't one of you guys just buy the dams? Private ownership and all that. Surely you can do better than any gubmit.

That's what I was saying



If the damn is beyond repair it seems like the homeowners could band together and buy it off of GBRA really cheap. Then through the proper application of free market principles they could rebuild the damns in a cost effective manner and ultimately turn a profit.


I think the problem is, in reality, it would be the city or county who takes over the damns. Then the private lakes won't be private anymore and they don't want a bunch of mexicans showing up every weekend.

[CosmicCowboy]

I didn't expect any sympathy from you tools but GBRA is a fucking disgrace.

[CosmicCowboy]

That's what I was saying




I think the problem is, in reality, it would be the city or county who takes over the damns. Then the private lakes won't be private anymore and they don't want a bunch of mexicans showing up every weekend.

They aren't private lakes.

[Pavlov]

That's what I was saying




I think the problem is, in reality, it would be the city or county who takes over the damns. Then the private lakes won't be private anymore and they don't want a bunch of mexicans showing up every weekend.GBRA is a state entity, but yeah -- all this gubmit writhing to maintain vacation home values is not the noblest of civic endeavors.

[CosmicCowboy]

Why don't one of you guys just buy the dams? Private ownership and all that. Surely you can do better than any gubmit.

Basically that's what we are doing. Putting together a WCID of lakefront owners to create a taxing district to back a bond issue to repair the dams. A judge will eventually decide how much GBRA's financial obligation will be. They made shitloads of money off the dams for 50 years without ever putting anything back to repair/replace the dams and their state charter specifically obligated them to maintain the dams.

[SnakeBoy]

They aren't private lakes.

I haven't been there since I was a kid but Lake Mcqueeney doesn't (or didn't) have any public access iirc.

[Pavlov]

They aren't private lakes.Great. Where's the public park or free boat ramp on Lake McQueeney? I'd love to enjoy that beautiful lake.

[CosmicCowboy]

Great. Where's the public park or free boat ramp on Lake McQueeney? I'd love to enjoy that beautiful lake.

There are two public boat ramps where you can pay to launch. One at the ski lodge and one at the marina. Don't be such a tightwad, chumpy. GBRA owns the lakes. If you want a free ramp bitch at them. They could have put one in anytime they wanted to.

[CosmicCowboy]

I haven't been there since I was a kid but Lake Mcqueeney doesn't (or didn't) have any public access iirc.

You guys are confusing public access with free access. State Parks are public but you still have to pay a fee to use them.

[Pavlov]

There are two public boat ramps where you can pay to launch. One at the ski lodge and one at the marina. Don't be such a tightwad, chumpy. GBRA owns the lakes. If you want a free ramp bitch at them. They could have put one in anytime they wanted to.So no park?

OK. At least you can keep the Mexicans out that way.

[SnakeBoy]

I didn't expect any sympathy from you tools but GBRA is a fucking disgrace.

Well I sympathize but I don't have sympathy. I mean it's an investment and you took your risk. I took a decent position in Chesapeake Energy 2 months ago thinking it was bottomed. Totally fucked that up and was down a lot. It's not like I got to run to the gov't saying help me. Luckily Iran just came to my rescue.

[CosmicCowboy]

So no park?

OK. At least you can keep the Mexicans out that way.

There used to be several private parks...Hot Shots, etc. They sold out after the last big flood instead of rebuilding.

[CosmicCowboy]

Well I sympathize but I don't have sympathy. I mean it's an investment and you took your risk. I took a decent position in Chesapeake Energy 2 months ago thinking it was bottomed. Totally fucked that up and was down a lot. It's not like I got to run to the gov't saying help me. Luckily Iran just came to my rescue.

Meh...I don't expect sympathy in here. I only lose if I sell now which I don't have to.

[Pavlov]

There used to be several private parks...Hot Shots, etc. They sold out after the last big flood instead of rebuilding.Not enough gubmit aid?

[CosmicCowboy]

Well I sympathize but I don't have sympathy. I mean it's an investment and you took your risk. I took a decent position in Chesapeake Energy 2 months ago thinking it was bottomed. Totally fucked that up and was down a lot. It's not like I got to run to the gov't saying help me. Luckily Iran just came to my rescue.

And who said anything about running to the gubmint to help? It is in GBRA's charter to maintain the dams. Now they would rather sell the water from Canyon Lake than operate the dams.

[SnakeBoy]

And who said anything about running to the gubmint to help? It is in GBRA's charter to maintain the dams. Now they would rather sell the water from Canyon Lake than operate the dams.

But they are their damns. If they don't have value anymore and they want to get rid of them that's their right.

[Pavlov]

And who said anything about running to the gubmint to help? It is in GBRA's charter to maintain the dams. Now they would rather sell the water from Canyon Lake than operate the dams.Looks like it's in their charter to choose not to fix the dams.

And the fed gubmit maintains Canyon Lake Dam so that all makes sense. Pass det buck.

[SnakeBoy]

So property values in the billions and GBRA says $160M to replace all the damns. Seems like the math should work for property owners to rebuild after GBRA walks away.

[CosmicCowboy]

So property values in the billions and GBRA says $160M to replace all the damns. Seems like the math should work for property owners to rebuild after GBRA walks away.

GBRA will be on the hook for part of it at least. Trial date is October 2020 so no draining at least until then. We should have the WCID set up by then and started on design of the floodgate replacement.

[SnakeBoy]

GBRA will be on the hook for part of it at least. Trial date is October 2020 so no draining at least until then. We should have the WCID set up by then and started on design of the floodgate replacement.

So I just don't get what the problem is. Summer is over, drain the lakes and get on with replacing the damns.

[CosmicCowboy]

So I just don't get what the problem is. Summer is over, drain the lakes and get on with replacing the damns.

The floodgates can be replaced without draining the lakes. It's done all the time. LCRA just replaced all the floodgates on the Town Lake dam without draining the lake. Draining the lakes will kill hundreds if not thousands of hundred year old cypress trees. My docks and bulkhead will be fine but a lot of bulkheads will collapse without the water pressure pushing back on them. It's just dumb to drain the lakes now. Just designing the new floodgates will probably take a couple of years.

[boutons_deux]

Is it only the gates that are at risk, or the entire structure?

[CosmicCowboy]

Is it only the gates that are at risk, or the entire structure?

just the gates. Each dam has three gates. They are totally independent of each other. If a gate fails the water rises about 4-1/2' right below he dam and immediately starts to spread out and the wate rlevel falls. it's no big deal if thy keep a reasonable safety zone around the dams.

[CosmicCowboy]

We are comfortable its not really going to cost 180 million. LCRA just redid the Town Lake dam (9 gates) for 9.9 million.

https://www.lcra.org/water/dams-and-lakes/Pages/tom-miller-dam-project.aspx

[CosmicCowboy]

A good day. Have to park the boat for a month or two. Court date oct 1 next year.

[SnakeBoy]

A good day. Have to park the boat for a month or two. Court date oct 1 next year.

All giving you shit aside, hope it all works out for you.

[CosmicCowboy]

All giving you shit aside, hope it all works out for you.

I think it will. Taxes will go up a little bit more but they are ridiculous already. 12K a year on a 2500 square foot house. It's worth it to me though. Sitting on the back porch now with the breeze in my face offthe lake watching the lights twinkle off the water. Fish feeding on mayflies at the green light by the dock. Life is good as long as boutons doesnt get an AR15.

[baseline bum]

So I just don't get what the problem is. Summer is over, drain the lakes and get on with replacing the damns.

This fucking summer feels like it's never going to be over tbh

[CosmicCowboy]

This fucking summer feels like it's never going to be over tbh

:lol

No shit. Still 100 degrees with humidity.

[SnakeBoy]

This fucking summer feels like it's never going to be over tbh

No shit. My well is almost dry.

I hate being without water :lol

[baseline bum]

:lol

No shit. Still 100 degrees with humidity.


No shit. My well is almost dry.

I hate being without water :lol

I got my hopes up when I saw 88-89 for the week on the ten day forecast and thought oh, next week will be a good time to work on my trees that need lots of pruning. Then the week gets here and it's fucking 96 with humidity when I'm out there cutting and bundling shit. :lol

[SnakeBoy]

No shit. My well is almost dry.

I hate being without water :lol

Well fuck I must've cursed myself. Stupid dog somehow turned on an outside faucet and drained our holding tank last night. Now I have to buy a truckload of water.

Enjoy your water CC :lol

[boutons_deux]

Hilarious that wealthy lake-front-dwelling, govt-hating pricks, old white people?, want the govt (taxpayers) to protect their high-priced real estate when it was the govt (taxpayers) that created the lakes they are benefitting from.

[CosmicCowboy]

Hilarious that wealthy lake-front-dwelling, govt-hating pricks, old white people?, want the govt to protect their high-priced real estate when it was the govt that created the lakes they are benefitting from.

The lakes were created by a private company.

Boutons wrong as usual.

[TheGreatYacht]

The lakes were created by a private company.

Boutons wrong as usual.

CosmicCowboy pleading government intervention because the issue affects him personally :cry ...typical of Repubtards

[CosmicCowboy]

CosmicCowboy pleading government intervention because the issue affects him personally :cry ...typical of Repubtards

It's about misconduct by a quasi-government entity. So yeah, government needs to police their own. As usual your snide little comment proves you dont know shit about the subject.

[baseline bum]

It's about misconduct by a quasi-government entity. So yeah, government needs to police their own. As usual your snide little comment proves you dont know shit about the subject.

So are you just in limbo until October 1st next year? Or are the homeowners confident you'll be able to work out a settlement that won't fuck you all over like GBRA seems to want right now?

[boutons_deux]

Hilarious

a so-called conservative, a govt-hater by definition, whining for good govt when he, and esp his wealth, is directly affected.

up to his earlobes in blatant hypocrisy, so typical, govt FOR me, and govt AGAINST thee.

[CosmicCowboy]

So are you just in limbo until October 1st next year? Or are the homeowners confident you'll be able to work out a settlement that won't fuck you all over like GBRA seems to want right now?

Confident may not be the right word, but I think GBRA would rather negotiate a settlement than go to court and have a jury decide their obligation.

[Chucho]

It's about misconduct by a quasi-government entity. So yeah, government needs to police their own. As usual your snide little comment proves you dont know shit about the subject.

Ask him how he feels about The Jews.