30 people shot in Midland Texas| here we go again

[Trill Clinton]

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[koriwhat]

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this shit is so ridiculous. time to stop housing these degenerates and blast them(bullet in the head) on nat'l tv for all to witness and realize that will be their same fate if they do the same.

[dabom6]

Gee I wonder what type of gun they are using.

[ducks]

David Begnaud davidBegnaud
BREAKING: “It has been confirmed that the active shooter was shot and killed at the Cinergy in Odessa. There is no active shooter at this time. All agencies are investigating reports of possible suspects,” says the Midland Texas police department

[ducks]

Door open on postal services van stolen
So many laws broke today but let’s break more that will stop crimes
Tougher penalty’s and carry them out quicker and putting on tv firing squad and blasting the idiot would slow crimes down

[ducks]

So they started shooting at cars wtf
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/odessa-shooting/index.html

[Spurminator]

Publicly televised execution is the single dumbest idea ever proposed to deter these crimes, no wonder both ducks and kw agree on it.

These assholes want attention, and they go into these situations expecting to die. You want to reward them with a national audience and even more attention.

[Spurtacular]

More liberal institution flunkies doing what they do against a disarmed populous.

[Spurs Homer]

Moscow mitch on the phone immediately and getting his orders from


the NRA

[ducks]

they Should be tried and face their punish in less then 6 months

[koriwhat]

Publicly televised execution is the single dumbest idea ever proposed to deter these crimes, no wonder both ducks and kw agree on it.

These assholes want attention, and they go into these situations expecting to die. You want to reward them with a national audience and even more attention.

shit, tbh i'm more for nat'l tv torture for these stupid fucks. like let's cut everyone of their digits off and then move onto limbs etc... i'm down to make it as brutal as can be so others understand they won't get their easy ticket to hell.

[ducks]

Moscow mitch on the phone immediately and getting his orders from


the NRA
NRA has nothing to do with this. Their members come together meet carry guns and no one gets shot
Prove one member of the nra did a mass shooting or even killed on person

[Spurtacular]

**

[Spurs Homer]

Shooter : white male

5 dead

[Spurtacular]

Shooter : white male

5 dead

Victims: Unarmed civilians

[SnakeBoy]

Gee I wonder what type of gun they are using.

Weapon of war for sure.

[Spurtacular]

Weapon of war for sure.

The peasants sure as fuck didn't have weapons of war in feudal Europe.

[Pavlov]

Victims: Unarmed civiliansWhat do you pack when you go to the mall?

[Reck]

More liberal institution flunkies doing what they do against a disarmed populous.

Derp getting a hard on over more people getting killed.

[Pavlov]

Derp getting a hard on over more people getting killed.No shit. Jihadis celebrate less.

lol large font

[ducks]

Difficult to shoot back driving on interstate 65-75 miles per hour
He was a coward

[ducks]

Victims: Unarmed civilians


More unarmed babies got killed in last hour then what just happened

And if kid survived abortion try if parent try’s to discipline them so they learn not to shoot people they end up in jail

[Pavlov]

More unarmed babies got killed in last hour then what just happenedducks semen shielding for mass shooters

[Thread]

Shooter : white male

5 dead

You lucked out again, damn ya!!!

[Thread]

More unarmed babies got killed in last hour then what just happened

And if kid survived abortion try if parent try’s to discipline them so they learn not to shoot people they end up in jail

Tell it, ducks. Testify!!!

[ducks]

ducks semen shielding for mass shooters

You love that picture ?
Ducks living rent free in Pavlov head

[Pavlov]

You love that picture ?I love this picture:

990228995286454273


Ducks living rent free in Pavlov head
But you were already here.

[Reck]

Tell it, ducks. Testify!!!

Like you give a fuck about abortion issues, Thread.

[Thread]

Like you give a fuck about abortion issues, Thread.

It ain't my main thing, true, but, then I ain't sold my soul, nor has Girl.

[Thread]

What's the body count in Chicago since yesterday?

[Spurtacular]

What do you pack when you go to the mall?

Is your contention that the safest contingency is to rely on an unarmed minimum wage guard?

[Spurtacular]

Derp getting a hard on over more people getting killed.

Does Trill Clinton get a hard on over these killings, or are you just lashing out?

[Spurtacular]

No shit. Jihadis celebrate less.

lol large font

LIES. PAR.

[Chumpette]

What's the body count in Chicago since yesterday?

That doesn't count.

[ducks]

The incident began at 3:17 p.m. CDT, when a Department of Public Safety officer attempted to make a traffic stop on a gold Honda, Gerke said. When the vehicle came to a stop, the occupant shot the officer.

[Pavlov]

Is your contention that the safest contingency is to rely on an unarmed minimum wage guard?derp folds

[Pavlov]

LIES. PAR.You're very happy unarmed people got killed so you can brag about your guns you don't own.

lol derp

[RD2191]

Another white guy? How shocking.

[ducks]

How many drunks killed people today more then what happened in Texas!

[ducks]

Another white guy? How shocking.


Guess what he had red blood like you

[Pavlov]

How many drunks killed people today more then what happened in Texas!How many ways are you gonna semen shield a white mass shooter?

[ducks]

Guy broke the law at traffic light then shot cop!

He bad he dead!

What are the odds he grew up with only one parent

[Spurtacular]

derp folds

Chump butthurt that I'm talking about the heart of the matter. Par.

[Spurs Homer]

The wall would have stopped this mexican assassin!

oh shit -wait!

[Spurtacular]

You're very happy unarmed people got killed

You really need your fake W's.

:rollin

[Pavlov]

Chump butthurt that I'm talking about the heart of the matter. Par.

Blaming the victims is the heart of your matter.

[Pavlov]

You really need your fake W's.

:rollinYou really need to blame the victims.

[Spurtacular]

Blaming the victims is the heart of your matter.

Chump not following a train of thought. No surprise.


Is your contention that the safest contingency is to rely on an unarmed minimum wage guard?

[Proxy]

Ducks and thread: guns aren’t the issue here because fetuses are humans and have “souls” and gang members kill other gang members

[boutons_deux]

thoughts and prayers

hearts going out

America Strong

always works

what a fucked up country

[clambake]

you know........i think ducks thinks he's a white guy.

[ducks]

Ducks and thread: guns aren’t the issue here because fetuses are humans and have “souls” and gang members kill other gang members

This dude killed a cop who had gun and bullet proof vest!

[Chumpette]

More unarmed babies got killed in last hour then what just happened

And if kid survived abortion try if parent try’s to discipline them so they learn not to shoot people they end up in jail

They don't count either.

[clambake]

you know, ducks........if you went on a shooting spree......that would take a lot of pressure off the real white guys.

[Ball Buster]

Wanks and scratches to all the victims

[Will Hunting]

Yeah I don’t think government sanctioned cruel and unusual punishment is a can of worms we want to open no matter what. It isn’t any kind of a deterrent and if it were allowed for mass shooters we’d see Trumpers clamoring for abortion doctors to get tortured to death on national TV before we know it.

[Thread]

Yeah I don’t think government sanctioned cruel and unusual punishment is a can of worms we want to open no matter what. It isn’t any kind of a deterrent and if it were allowed for mass shooters we’d see Trumpers clamoring for abortion doctors to get tortured to death on national TV before we know it.

William tell. Testify!!!

[Thread]

:tu agree 100% tbh

I don’t care if it gives them the attention they’re craving, I don’t care if it’s barbaric and inhumane, those faggots need to feel as much pain and misery as their shitty bodies can take before giving out.:td

[Thread]

thoughts and prayers

hearts going out

America Strong

always works

what a fucked up country

Boiled down:::

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[Thread]

Guy broke the law at traffic light then shot cop!

He bad he dead!

What are the odds he grew up with only one parent

Tell it, ducks. Testify!!!

[Thread]

How many drunks killed people today more then what happened in Texas!

Tell it, ducks. Testify!!!

[Thread]

You just don’t wanna see all the socially awkward whiteys getting tortured. You’d have no problem with that policy if it applied to illegal Mexicans.

Let me boil it down for ya, shrimp:::

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[Thread]

Boiler down:::

White mass shooters
Not minorities

So, you lucked out this time. Next time you may not be so lucky.

[Thread]

Is it lucky to bet on the sky being blue tomorrow?

Maybe, but, tonite I got lucky!!!

At least 10 teens injured in shooting at a high school football game in Alabama

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/181128050148-madeline-holcombe-headshot-3-small-11.jpg
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(https://www.cnn.com/profiles/artemis-moshtaghian)By Madeline Holcombe (https://www.cnn.com/profiles/madeline-holcombe) and Artemis Moshtaghian (https://www.cnn.com/profiles/artemis-moshtaghian), CNN
Updated 5:09 PM ET, Sat August 31, 2019





Deangelo Parnell, 17, turned himself in Saturday, according to a Mobile police news release (https://www.mobilepd.org/news/arrest-made-in-shooting-at-laddpeebles-stadium-/), and has been charged with nine counts of attempted murder.]]]

Dollars to dognuts that Parnell kid ain't white.

I won!!!

[clambake]

Maybe, but, tonite I got lucky!!!

At least 10 teens injured in shooting at a high school football game in Alabama

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/181128050148-madeline-holcombe-headshot-3-small-11.jpg
(https://www.cnn.com/profiles/madeline-holcombe)https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150325082152-social-gfx-cnn-logo-small-11.jpg
(https://www.cnn.com/profiles/artemis-moshtaghian)By Madeline Holcombe (https://www.cnn.com/profiles/madeline-holcombe) and Artemis Moshtaghian (https://www.cnn.com/profiles/artemis-moshtaghian), CNN
Updated 5:09 PM ET, Sat August 31, 2019





Deangelo Parnell, 17, turned himself in Saturday, according to a Mobile police news release (https://www.mobilepd.org/news/arrest-made-in-shooting-at-laddpeebles-stadium-/), and has been charged with nine counts of attempted murder.]]]

Dollars to dognuts that Parnell kid ain't white.

I won!!!



could be ducks

[apalisoc_9]

you know........i think ducks thinks he's a white guy.

wait so ducks is not white..:lmao

[lefty]

And yet immigrants are the problem

[spurraider21]

How many drunks killed people today more then what happened in Texas!


Tell it, ducks. Testify!!!
More Americans died from drunk driving than terrorism in 2001

TESTIFY!!!

[clambake]

wait so ducks is not white..:lmao

he thinks he is. he thinks he'll be accepted as a white one. if he ever finds himself among them......his new name will be "fetch"

[Spurminator]

Yeah I don’t think government sanctioned cruel and unusual punishment is a can of worms we want to open no matter what. It isn’t any kind of a deterrent and if it were allowed for mass shooters we’d see Trumpers clamoring for abortion doctors to get tortured to death on national TV before we know it.

Exactly. I get the desire to see these fuckers suffer but giving them that kind of spotlight would lead directly to more mass shootings from wannabe martyrs. All it does is satisfy our bloodlust and make us even more fucked up as a society.

[Thread]

More Americans died from drunk driving than terrorism in 2001

TESTIFY!!!

It's a disgrace they'll serve alcohol to people knowing their car is in their parking lot. It's so incredible that it's surreal.

You're putting a person who is drinking alcohol on their word that they won't drive. HA!!!

It's insane.

[Thread]

Exactly. I get the desire to see these fuckers suffer but giving them that kind of spotlight would lead directly to more mass shootings from wannabe martyrs. All it does is satisfy our bloodlust and make us even more fucked up as a society.

Like anything else in America it is just going to have to run it's course. In the meantime one has to hope & pray that they don't get touched.

[Thread]

And yet immigrants are the problem

Illegal immigrants are (a) problem, yes, you're damn right, lefty.

They've already broke the law first step out. So, they figure..."I already fucked up, so, I might as well make a hog of myself as long as I can, take the pinch, get thrown back over...I'll sneak back in & feed at the trough."

[Thread]

could be ducks

You don't want to talk about that, eh? Neither does CNN/Media. No way. Still no picture 24+ hours later.

(9 counts of attempted murder)

[SnakeBoy]

The incident began Saturday afternoon when Texas Department of Public Safety officers attempted to make a traffic stop

Cops fault as usual.

[Thread]

Cops fault as usual.

I wonder if they'll be accounting as to bullet proof vests being worn. When the cops choose not to, they not only risk their lives, but, the public's as well. Terribly reckless behavior.

[pgardn]

It's a disgrace they'll serve alcohol to people knowing their car is in their parking lot. It's so incredible that it's surreal.

You're putting a person who is drinking alcohol on their word that they won't drive. HA!!!

It's insane.

So there are more drinks in the US than guns.
Amazing, How backwards we are.

And Yep, some of those drinks will allow them to drive cars into masses of people.

The shooter in Odessa used a gun, instead of the car he was driving, as a weapon, I really don’t get it.
Guy must really be mentally ill. Thoughts and prayers for him.

Crazy world, nutty board.

[Thread]

So there are more drinks in the US than guns.
Amazing, How backwards we are.

And Yep, some of those drinks will allow them to drive cars into masses of people.

The shooter in Odessa used a gun, instead of the car he was driving, as a weapon, I really don’t get it.
Guy must really be mentally ill. Thoughts and prayers for him.

Crazy world, nutty board.

American commerce is not going to give away that commerce, peeg. No way.

(We) won't even broach, even get within 10 feet of such a subject. $

[DMC]

What gun laws, existing or theoretical, would have prevented this?

[Chucho]

What gun laws, existing or theoretical, would have prevented this?
Confiscation.

[Reck]

Confiscation.

Who actually holds those views?

I always hear about it but it’s just such a throwaway comment because arguing about gun safety and what we can do to prevent at least a couple of mass shooting is too hard apparently.

[Thread]

Confiscation.

There was never a time to do such, but, if there were, it was a long time ago before the lion's hare of Americans organized their own armory & stockpile.

There ain't enough bachelors in America to send to do the confiscations.

[Thread]

Who actually holds those views?

I always hear about it but it’s just such a throwaway comment because arguing about gun safety and what we can do to prevent at least a couple of mass shooting is too hard apparently.

...because the slope is dangerously slippery (ss). Your side can't be trusted whatsoever. Your side wants to winPERIOD "We got that, now, let's get this and really rub their noses in it." On & on. Your side ain't interested in anything but winning. We ain't no better, cept we WON.

[DMC]

Who actually holds those views?

I always hear about it but it’s just such a throwaway comment because arguing about gun safety and what we can do to prevent at least a couple of mass shooting is too hard apparently.

Except you chose to respond to a throwaway comment instead of the question you pretend to have a comment for.

[Chucho]

Confiscation is the only way to stop this from happening. Or get rid of white people. And NOT talking about inner-city violence. We only care when white people kill a lot of people at once, it's the only time gun violence is an issue like drug abuse is an issue only when it affects middle class white America like the opioid crisis.

[Thread]

Confiscation is the only way to stop this from happening. Or get rid of white people. And NOT talking about inner-city violence. We only care when white people kill a lot of people at once, it's the only time gun violence is an issue like drug abuse is an issue only when it affects middle class white America like the opioid crisis.

I ain't goin'. White people ain't 6 million Jews. We ain't an easy clean, nary soft seat, we don't kill easy.

& so like that Washington state politico said:::"I'm legally armed, so, make sure they send bachelors."

[Chucho]

I ain't goin'. White people ain't 6 million Jews. We ain't an easy clean, nary soft seat, we don't kill easy.

& so like that Washington state politico said:::"I'm legally armed, so, make sure they send bachelors."

No, it's the only way. Get rid of "old" whitey so "new" whitey can continue their masterhood of the minorities.

[lefty]

Is he a white dude with mental illness?

[Thread]

No, it's the only way. Get rid of "old" whitey so "new" whitey can continue their masterhood of the minorities.

Can you imagine white man running to the edge of the limed pit like in those newsreels of the Jews doing exactly that?

Please.

[Chucho]

Can you imagine white man running to the edge of the limed pit like in those newsreels of the Jews doing exactly that?

Please.

The old ones like you? Absolutely. Then, there arent as many able-bodied young old-guard whiteys to fend off the new whitey numbers plus the indoctrinated minorities. It's simple math, Cubs. You tired old shit bags have nary a fight left in yas and while I believe most old whiteys would whip new whiteys in violent affairs, there just isnt enough of them in your sect that can handle the overwhelming numbers of thy enemy.

[SnakeBoy]

The old ones like you? Absolutely. Then, there arent as many able-bodied young old-guard whiteys to fend off the new whitey numbers plus the indoctrinated minorities. It's simple math, Cubs. You tired old shit bags have nary a fight left in yas and while I believe most old whiteys would whip new whiteys in violent affairs, there just isnt enough of them in your sect that can handle the overwhelming numbers of thy enemy.

Notice anything

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/51dc54f069beddb340000004/this-infographic-is-a-perfect-cheat-sheet-for-unit-breakdown-in-the-us-army.jpg
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130308101548-12-inside-gitmo-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

[Reck]

Except you chose to respond to a throwaway comment instead of the question you pretend to have a comment for.

What? I'm going to be the one to fix the issue?

Go eat your burgers. When I reply to you, you'll know, yellowstone.

[Reck]

...because the slope is dangerously slippery (ss). Your side can't be trusted whatsoever. Your side wants to winPERIOD "We got that, now, let's get this and really rub their noses in it." On & on. Your side ain't interested in anything but winning. We ain't no better, cept we WON.

Checks and balances, my friend.

Your side cant be trusted on a maryad of shit yet you hold all the keys right now. Only reason you haven't run this country to the ground is because of those said checks and balances.

[Thread]

Checks and balances, my friend.

Your side cant be trusted on a maryad of shit yet you hold all the keys right now. Only reason you haven't run this country to the ground is because of those said checks and balances.

If we held the keys it'd be done. The 60 vote threshold in the Senate is the key. Your guy did that, not our guy.

You'll never get to 60 next November, bub, so, if that's what you're aiming for, forget it.

You want to take the guns, leaving us at your mercy, your grace, your discretion. Get a pry bar, a jack handle, Jaw's of Life...if you prevail you'll need those implements to deal with our cold, dead fingers.

[Thread]

The old ones like you? Absolutely. Then, there arent as many able-bodied young old-guard whiteys to fend off the new whitey numbers plus the indoctrinated minorities. It's simple math, Cubs. You tired old shit bags have nary a fight left in yas and while I believe most old whiteys would whip new whiteys in violent affairs, there just isnt enough of them in your sect that can handle the overwhelming numbers of thy enemy.

We will "rise to the call of freedom loving blood that is in us." We always have & we always will.

[ducks]

Confiscation.

So he would not have got one in black market?

[ducks]

Do we get rid of bars because people drive drunk and kill people

[boutons_deux]

red flag a some weeks ago

the killer threatened his neighbor with a rifle

[Thread]

Do we get rid of bars because people drive drunk and kill people

We don't even talk about that. Too much commerce involved.

[DMC]

What? I'm going to be the one to fix the issue?

Go eat your burgers. When I reply to you, you'll know, yellowstone.

You graded Chucho's post as a throwaway comment but have nothing to add yourself.

Whatever blows yours skirt up.

[Millennial_Messiah]

what was the motive this time?

[Reck]

You graded Chucho's post as a throwaway comment but have nothing to add yourself.

Whatever blows yours skirt up.

No, I said people who are vehemently oposed to having any type of gun discussion use that as a throwaway because they dont want to deal. I generalized.

Whether Chucho feels the same way it's another matter. I took Chucho's post as sarcasm.

Any more questions?

[Spurs Homer]

What gun laws, existing or theoretical, would have prevented this?


biometric weapons

make every gun sold a biometric /fingerprint trigger gun

Offer to retrofit every gun in america

if owner refuses - he loses the gun period.

at one time - people swore they would never be forced to have seatbelts installed in their cars

but they had to comply and they did

it saved lives

2nd amendment would still be intact because no ones guns would be illegally confiscated

the gun owner would simply have to apply, submit his fingerprints, pass background checks and obey gun laws/rules to keep his gun rights

if he could not or would not comply - then it was HE - that forfeited his gun rights - not the govt/law

[ducks]

what was the motive this time?

Could have had a criminal record guy got pulled over went nuts

[ducks]

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
2017


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

[Thread]

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
2017


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Tell it, ducks. Testify!!!

[dabom6]

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
2017


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

What about illegal aliens? :lmao :lmao

[ducks]

Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

https://www.wnd.com/2006/11/39031/

[dabom6]

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
2017


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm


Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

https://www.wnd.com/2006/11/39031/

Roughly 0.4% of all of these deaths. :lmao :lmao

[dabom6]

Scared shitless over illegals. :lmao :lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
2017


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
Cancer has really skyrocketed I see compared to the past, used to be 3rd to strokes. Shitmerican Healthcare system at work. lol fast food

[DMC]

No, I said people who are vehemently oposed to having any type of gun discussion use that as a throwaway because they dont want to deal. I generalized.

Whether Chucho feels the same way it's another matter. I took Chucho's post as sarcasm.

Any more questions?

You seem opposed to having a legit gun control discussion yourself. I asked what existing law or theoretical law (proposed law, imagined, conjured, whatever) would have prevented the shooting.

[DMC]

biometric weapons

make every gun sold a biometric /fingerprint trigger gun

Offer to retrofit every gun in america

if owner refuses - he loses the gun period.

at one time - people swore they would never be forced to have seatbelts installed in their cars

but they had to comply and they did

it saved lives

2nd amendment would still be intact because no ones guns would be illegally confiscated

the gun owner would simply have to apply, submit his fingerprints, pass background checks and obey gun laws/rules to keep his gun rights

if he could not or would not comply - then it was HE - that forfeited his gun rights - not the govt/law

1st, don't confuse legality with constitutionality. USSC case law exists that clearly shows the BoR isn't slaved to laws, but the other way around.

2nd, which shooter illegally possessed a firearm?

[Chumpette]

Remember how with El Paso it was Mexicans being targeted? More bang for the bang for our progressive narrative on that one, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

You seem opposed to having a legit gun control discussion yourself. I asked what existing law or theoretical law (proposed law, imagined, conjured, whatever) would have prevented the shooting.

He's waiting for his superiors to give him that answer.

[Thread]

You seem opposed to having a legit gun control discussion yourself. I asked what existing law or theoretical law (proposed law, imagined, conjured, whatever) would have prevented the shooting.

Tell it, D. Testify!!!

[Thread]

He's waiting for his superiors to give him that answer.

Spurts, just tearin' ass up!!!

[ElNono]

Notice anything

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/51dc54f069beddb340000004/this-infographic-is-a-perfect-cheat-sheet-for-unit-breakdown-in-the-us-army.jpg
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130308101548-12-inside-gitmo-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

There's no what there's not a Sanchez in that picture, tbh

[Spurtacular]

Do we get rid of bars because people drive drunk and kill people

No, prohibition showed that made things worse for the government, not better.

[Spurs Homer]

1st, don't confuse legality with constitutionality. USSC case law exists that clearly shows the BoR isn't slaved to laws, but the other way around.

2nd, which shooter illegally possessed a firearm?

it depends...

if all the shooters submitted their fingerprints and successfully passed all background checks, probably none were illegal

but lives would still be saved because all gun murders would be solvable crimes as every shooter would be a registered fingerprint

lives would still be saved

but you are probably right that this may not have prevented most shootings

i would hope that it would prevent future shootings just by the stringent rules enacted to comply

[boutons_deux]

gun violence in USA is fundamental to American so-called civilization, a feature, not a bug.

Going back to the earliest Western movies, gun violence has been central for 100 years. Then add in all the gun violence in modern films, TV, video games.

Even fucking zombie shit is a pretext, a surrogate for blasting the shit out of former humans, the gorier the better.

The BigGun politisization and perverted "weaponizing" of the 2nd Amendment for profit, with help from rightwing SCOTUS whores, fuck you Scalia, Roberts, etc enshrines gun violence in the Constitution.

It simply doesn't pay to give the tiniest shit about unstoppable gun massacres, or any always-fruitless attempts to legislate against them.

Gun violence, warring, barbarity DEFINE America.

[ducks]

Yet bouton refuses get out of USA

[ducks]

USA was founded by using guns

[boutons_deux]

50K avoidable deaths / year due to medical errors

100Ks of opioid deaths, many sold legitimately as prescriptions

[Trill Clinton]

Does Trill Clinton get a hard on over these killings, or are you just lashing out?

I love you

[Thread]

USA was founded by using guns

Tell it, ducks. Testify!!!

[ducks]

Texas gunman was fired from job hours before shooting rampage: report

[ducks]

50K avoidable deaths / year due to medical errors

100Ks of opioid deaths, many sold legitimately as prescriptions

Get those stopped now !

[Thread]

Get those stopped now !

:lol

[pgardn]

USA was founded by using guns

So we are still trying to find ourselves?

[pgardn]

Get those stopped now !

Legislation already passed and more upcoming.
Your turn? What is being done... Background??

The % of people killed in airplanes by terrorists is incredibly tiny, why do even have the TSA?

Come up with something better. And realize that potential and the way people die randomly seems to be much more important to our lawmakers than %s.

[Nathan89]

We don't need the TSA. They are proven to be ineffective.

[boutons_deux]

The totally corrupt military has been proven to be ineffective, hasn't won shit since 1945, and hasn't spread "freedom and democracy", only death and destruction.

[Thread]

The totally corrupt military has been proven to be ineffective, hasn't won shit since 1945, and hasn't spread "freedom and democracy", only death and destruction.

I got to side bouts here.

bouts

You got this 4-star General, this, this Mattis character, never won a war in his fuckin' life out there sellin' fuckin' books hand over fist. He says he quit Trump because the old man pulled out of Syria, yet, Mad Dog talked the old man into staying in Afghanistan after he'd promised us that pulling out of there would be first on his list if he beat Clinton.

What happens to these Presidents once they get in that office? Well, firstly, their children never have to come back here thru Dover, AFB. Their children always return thru the VIP lounges of American airports after flying 1st class all the way.

Something else occurs because they all do it.

Tell it, bouts. Testify!!!

[DMC]

it depends...

if all the shooters submitted their fingerprints and successfully passed all background checks, probably none were illegal

but lives would still be saved because all gun murders would be solvable crimes as every shooter would be a registered fingerprint

lives would still be saved

but you are probably right that this may not have prevented most shootings

i would hope that it would prevent future shootings just by the stringent rules enacted to comply

Pretty sure the shootings in El Paso and in Odessa were solvable crimes.

Are you just trolling now? How does what you proposed do anything to change the outcomes of the mass shootings?

[Spurs Homer]

Pretty sure the shootings in El Paso and in Odessa were solvable crimes.

Are you just trolling now? How does what you proposed do anything to change the outcomes of the mass shootings?

nah

can't change past shootings - I was just honestly trying to answer your last question re: which shootings would have been prevented


but seriously - who gives a shit about that - the past is past -


as far as future shootings - having biometric/fingerprint trigger - weapons is the only way to change what is happening and will continue to happen in the future


the technology is available on smart phones and there is a $$$ fortune to be made in making smart guns the ONLY available guns in the future

[Pavlov]

It's very important for internet tough guys to say nothing will ever work so they can keep their ability to shoot the government.

[Thread]

It's very important for internet tough guys to say nothing will ever work so they can keep their ability to shoot the government.

...& vice versa, Pav's.

[Thread]

nah

can't change past shootings - I was just honestly trying to answer your last question re: which shootings would have been prevented


but seriously - who gives a shit about that - the past is past -


as far as future shootings - having biometric/fingerprint trigger - weapons is the only way to change what is happening and will continue to happen in the future


the technology is available on smart phones and there is a $$$ fortune to be made in making smart guns the ONLY available guns in the future

...once & again if you can get 5 Justices to compel this protocol you got 'er knocked. Otherwise, no.

Everything goes thru the SC.

[Spurs Homer]

...once & again if you can get 5 Justices to compel this protocol you got 'er knocked. Otherwise, no.

Everything goes thru the SC.


Cannot see why the SC would be necessary -

No one is suggesting - taking guns away -


that is the key.

Instead of taking them away - you redesign weapons to only work via registered fingerprints.

If your fingerprints reveal you are a convict or have documented mental issues -the weapon will not fire.

Gun owners simply have to cooperate with the new reality - or forfeit their right to gun ownership.

Forfeiting your gun ownership and having the gubmint stripping away your right to carry - are different things.

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/69476621_10218105273082312_6992908980745928704_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQlw3ZOnMUuE00DJXcGt28fzuon9M3ncFe20tFqeIsM S3V4cG6tAwqmmk__bnJFXyWlnBuVGnRC3eEna-0IAcMh5&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&tp=1&oh=864f5deaebded5035f69151d6fc1d6af&oe=5E081C22

[Thread]

Cannot see why the SC would be necessary -

No one is suggesting - taking guns away -


that is the key.

Instead of taking them away - you redesign weapons to only work via registered fingerprints.

If your fingerprints reveal you are a convict or have documented mental issues -the weapon will not fire.

Gun owners simply have to cooperate with the new reality - or forfeit their right to gun ownership.

Forfeiting your gun ownership and having the gubmint stripping away your right to carry - are different things.

Because you get nothing. You refused to let Trump be President. Now, you want us to sit down with you like gentlemen and conduct ourselves.

No. This is a blood feud now. You called down the thunder.

CHARGE!!!

[pgardn]

We don't need the TSA. They are proven to be ineffective.

In some areas.

How many commercial passenger planes have been hijacked in the US since 9/11?

I sit a muzzy next to you on a flight and you piss your pants.

[pgardn]

Because you get nothing. You refused to let Trump be President. Now, you want us to sit down with you like gentlemen and conduct ourselves.

No. This is a blood feud now. You called down the thunder.

CHARGE!!!

Man it’s easy to declare blood feuds when one is old I’m guessing.
Were you a practicing General in some branch of the military?

[Thread]

Man it’s easy to declare blood feuds when one is old I’m guessing.
Were you a practicing General in some branch of the military?

No, but, I watch a lot of tv & movies.

[Spurs Homer]

Because you get nothing. You refused to let Trump be President. Now, you want us to sit down with you like gentlemen and conduct ourselves.

No. This is a blood feud now. You called down the thunder.

CHARGE!!!


It won't be up to you anymore -

the republikunt party was destroyed when they went all in on a traitor who sold out the usa for russian allegiance.


Fuck you and your traitor party -


taking over the entire gov't and won't be needing your vote - just move to russia.

[Thread]

It won't be up to you anymore -

the republikunt party was destroyed when they went all in on a traitor who sold out the usa for russian allegiance.


Fuck you and your traitor party -


taking over the entire gov't and won't be needing your vote - just move to russia.

You're just repeating CNN's talking points. Your next original thought will be your charter issue. You blankethead, you.

[Spurtacular]

You're just repeating CNN's talking points. Your next original thought will be your charter issue. You blankethead, you.

He's someone's alt. I don't know who; possibly RandomGuy.

[boutons_deux]

Sinclair forcing its stations to run Russian propaganda

After recent mass shootings, Sinclair “must-run” segment focuses on violent video games

Chief political commentator Boris Epshteyn:

"Whether video games have a “chemical reaction or statistical correlation with as rare an occurrence as mass shootings is beside the point.”

Sinclair Broadcast Group’s latest conservative “must-run” commentary segment focused on “violent video games and movies” in the wake of recent public mass shootings.

devoted an entire segment to discussing the supposed “impact of violent media on the psyche of our youth.”

There is no evidence (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/us/politics/trump-video-games-shootings.html) that playing violent video games (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/03/07/trump-is-going-to-blame-mass-shootings-on-video-games-heres-why-hes-wrong/?noredirect=on) leads to perpetrating mass violence, and

of course (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-laziest-refrain-gop-blames-mass-shootings-video-games) playing video games is popular in many other countries (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2012/12/17/ten-country-comparison-suggests-theres-little-or-no-link-between-video-games-and-gun-murders/)

that don’t experience even close to the same number of mass shootings or levels of everyday gun violence as in the United States.

The actual most accurate predictor (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/us/mass-shootings-misogyny-dayton.html) for mass shooters is a history of hatred or violence toward women --

combined (https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/) with easy access to firearms (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts).

the segment has aired on at least 38 stations in at least 26 states, including in El Paso, TX,

Epshteyn called for “giving heavy consideration to mandating armed guards in schools,”

(In fact, there is no evidence (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/11/9891664/daily-show-mass-shootings) that the presence of more firearms would help to stop mass shooting incidents.)

Sinclair contributor Sebastian Gorka compared gun regulation to the Holocaust (https://www.mediamatters.org/sebastian-gorka/sinclair-sebastian-gorka-compared-gun-regulation-holocaust)

Discredited gun violence researcher John Lott (https://www.mediamatters.org/washington-post/washington-post-gave-discredited-gun-researcher-john-lott-platform-push-repeatedly) pushed the popular conservative “gun-free zone” lie in an August 3 interview (https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/gun-violence-researcher-mass-shooters-would-think-twice-if-victims-were-armed) with a Sinclair station,

https://www.mediamatters.org/sinclair-broadcast-group/after-recent-mass-shootings-sinclair-must-run-segment-focuses-violent (https://www.mediamatters.org/sinclair-broadcast-group/after-recent-mass-shootings-sinclair-must-run-segment-focuses-violent)

[DMC]

nah

can't change past shootings - I was just honestly trying to answer your last question re: which shootings would have been prevented


but seriously - who gives a shit about that - the past is past -


as far as future shootings - having biometric/fingerprint trigger - weapons is the only way to change what is happening and will continue to happen in the future


the technology is available on smart phones and there is a $$$ fortune to be made in making smart guns the ONLY available guns in the future

So which shootings would have been prevented by what you proposed, since these guns were purchased legally? You didn't answer the question.

[DMC]

It's very important for internet tough guys to say nothing will ever work so they can keep their ability to shoot the government.

^Doesn't offer any suggestions either, just makes a queer side note.

[Pavlov]

^Doesn't offer any suggestions either, just makes a queer side note.What is your suggestion, tough guy?

[DMC]

If folks here are a representation of the liberal party it's no wonder you lost to a reality TV cheese puff.

You have retarded Spurs Homer making zero sense, Pavlov eye rolling and crumb snatching, no one making a single suggestion that would have prevented these shootings except Chucho who's probably conservative.

[DMC]

What is your suggestion, tough guy?

Total ban and confiscation.

[Pavlov]

If folks here are a representation of the liberal party it's no wonder you lost to a reality TV cheese puff.

You have retarded Spurs Homer making zero sense, Pavlov eye rolling and crumb snatching, no one making a single suggestion that would have prevented these shootings except Chucho who's probably conservative.What's your suggestion, tough guy?

[Pavlov]

Total ban and confiscation.Are you suggesting your guns should be banned and confiscated?

[DMC]

Are you suggesting your guns should be banned and confiscated?

Yes since people won't arm themselves which is the other alternative and even then it's 50/50. It would reduce the amount of mass shootings but probably not the number of killings overall. You'd have to repeal the 2nd, then offer a buyback and amnesty period before going house to house with a search team.

[Chucho]

"Just stop letting whitey buy guns and let's not talk about the coloreds killing themselves."


Pretty much sums up one side's rhetoric, but wont directly say it.

[Pavlov]

Yes since people won't arm themselves which is the other alternative and even then it's 50/50. It would reduce the amount of mass shootings but probably not the number of killings overall. You'd have to repeal the 2nd, then offer a buyback and amnesty period before going house to house with a search team.So you'll voluntarily give up all your guns if your suggestion happens?

[DMC]

So you'll voluntarily give up all your guns if your suggestion happens?

I'd sell them back first, and if that wasn't offered I'd glady turn my guns over to a team of inspectors who would likely thank me as a caring citizen. Why not?

[Thread]

"Just stop letting whitey buy guns and let's not talk about the coloreds killing themselves."


Pretty much sums up one side's rhetoric, but wont directly say it.

Tell it, Cooch. Testify!!!

[Thread]

Yes since people won't arm themselves which is the other alternative and even then it's 50/50. It would reduce the amount of mass shootings but probably not the number of killings overall. You'd have to repeal the 2nd, then offer a buyback and amnesty period before going house to house with a search team.

Ha! The apple cart can still be righted & restocked even after Trump. You perform the above we'll never get back to TOSB timesPERIOD

[Pavlov]

I'd sell them back first, and if that wasn't offered I'd glady turn my guns over to a team of inspectors who would likely thank me as a caring citizen. Why not?OK. Great.


I'll mark you both down as favoring a complete ban and confiscation.

[DMC]

Ha! The apple cart can still be righted & restocked even after Trump. You perform the above we'll never get back to TOSB timesPERIOD

Liberals will never propose such a thing, not the ones who have a shot at winning their party's support. They'll suggest placebo laws like magazine capacity and evil features and "assault weapon" legislation. Round and round it will go. More people will die, more guns will be sold, more people will die, more guns will be sold, liberals will never have the courage of their own convictions. It would be their death knell to do so. They know it but they'll pretend they have answers.

[DMC]

OK. Great.


I'll mark you both down as favoring a complete ban and confiscation.

Make sure you add "at gunpoint if necessary - including the use of lethal force to ensure compliance"

Is this all you have? Where's your suggestion?

[Pavlov]

Make sure you add "at gunpoint if necessary - including the use of lethal force to ensure compliance"Sure.

Sounds good.

That's what you want.

[DMC]

Sure.

Sounds good.

That's what you want.

So what's your suggestion to prevent mass shootings?

[Pavlov]

So what's your suggestion to prevent mass shootings?Maybe better communication could've stopped the Odessa shooting since the dude called both the local police and the FBI the day of the shooting.

Seems easier than confiscating your guns at gunpoint, but that's what you want.

[spurraider21]

Are you suggesting your guns should be banned and confiscated?


Yes since people won't arm themselves which is the other alternative and even then it's 50/50. It would reduce the amount of mass shootings but probably not the number of killings overall. You'd have to repeal the 2nd, then offer a buyback and amnesty period before going house to house with a search team.
so you're a proponent of repealing 2A?

[DMC]

Maybe better communication could've stopped the Odessa shooting since the dude called both the local police and the FBI the day of the shooting.

Seems easier than confiscating your guns at gunpoint, but that's what you want.

Saying "better" doesn't explain how you'd facilitate that. If he called both, who needs to communicate better, the shooter, the FBI, the police? How would do you propose they alter their approach/policy to catch these things?

[DMC]

so you're a proponent of repealing 2A?

Are you here to discuss it or just snatch a crumb or two?

quid pro quo

I think it should be proposed. I'd like to see how the court responds to it. Could the 3 party system be a deterrent to the kind of change we really need?

You?

[Pavlov]

Saying "better" doesn't explain how you'd facilitate that. If he called both, who needs to communicate better, the shooter, the FBI, the police? How would do you propose they alter their approach/policy to catch these things?oh, moving the goalpost now.

lol DMConfiscate

It's not my fault you lack the imagination to think better communication may have helped in Odessa.

Not my job than nthink for you.

[DMC]

oh, moving the goalpost now.

lol DMConfiscate

It's not my fault you lack the imagination to think better communication may have helped in Odessa.

Not my job than nthink for you.
I could imagine without you telling me "better communication".

Quantify it. How would you know you have better communication?

When called out you always resort to your shtick. You're a fraud :lol

[Chucho]

I could imagine without you telling me "better communication".

Quantify it. How would you know you have better communication?

When called out you always resort to your shtick. You're a fraud :lol

You asked him how he'd prevent mass shootings, he gave a broad, half-assed non answer to two instances but YOU moved the goalposts. Makes sense.

[spurraider21]

Are you here to discuss it or just snatch a crumb or two?

quid pro quo

I think it should be proposed. I'd like to see how the court responds to it. Could the 3 party system be a deterrent to the kind of change we really need?

You?
i'm always here to discuss. glad to see you are as well, for a change.

court response wouldn't really be part of the equation, though, with respect to a constitutional amendment. courts get involved when a law violates the constitution (ie if congress passed a confiscation law tomorrow, without first amending the constitution). if you amend the constitution to no longer protect gun ownership, then courts would have no say with respect to confiscation.

so are you a proponent of repealing 2A?

[Pavlov]

You asked him how he'd prevent mass shootings, he gave a broad, half-assed non answer to two instances but YOU moved the goalposts. Makes sense.

I gave a possible answer for the latest one.

Wouldn't even require a law.

Can you not see the possibility in this case?

Please answer.

[Chucho]

I gave a possible answer for the latest one.

Wouldn't even require a law.

Can you not see the possibility in this case?

Please answer.

Answer it or half-ass answer like you?

[Pavlov]

I am now demanding from Chucho and DMC transcripts of the calls the Odessa shooter made to the police and FBI as well as the cal the shooter's work made to the police since they say for sure it would have made no difference whatsoever and all those people

I say they might have.

[Pavlov]

Answer it or half-ass answer like you?Answer it.

Show me how it's done.

[Spurtacular]

I could imagine without you telling me "better communication".

Quantify it. How would you know you have better communication?

When called out you always resort to your shtick. You're a fraud :lol

<Crickets>

[Pavlov]

<Crickets>
You'd know you have better communication when the officer pulling over the guy who called both the police and the FBI knows the guy he pulled over called the police and the FBI.

Pretty simple stuff.

[Chucho]

I am now demanding from Chucho and DMC transcripts of the calls the Odessa shooter made to the police and FBI as well as the cal the shooter's work made to the police since they say for sure it would have made no difference whatsoever and all those people

I say they might have.

Goalpostmove.gif

[Pavlov]

Goalpostmove.gifSo you're not going to answer my question?

OK.

Never expected you to.:tu

[Chucho]

So you're not going to answer my question?

OK.

Never expected you to.:tu

It's ok, you didnt answer the question originally asked to you. Didnt expect you to, either. When in rome.

But, hey, derp's here for you. You two have endless pages of back and forth quuering to get to

[Pavlov]

It's ok, you didnt answer the question originally asked to you.Sure I did. That's my possible answer for this last shooting.


Didnt expect you to, either. When in rome.You didn't want to discuss this at all. You guys get super defensive whenever this is brought up. Just like ducks tbh.

[Spurtacular]

You'd know you have better communication when the officer pulling over the guy who called both the police and the FBI knows the guy he pulled over called the police and the FBI.

Pretty simple stuff.

So, your solution is don't be incompetent. Groundbreaking stuff, Chump.

[Pavlov]

So, your solution is don't be incompetent.How are you saying anyone was incompetent in this case?

What rules or protocols were not followed and by whom?

I'm willing to discuss it if any of you are.

Doesn't look like it.

[Chucho]

Sure I did. That's my possible answer for this last shooting.

You didn't want to discuss this at all. You guys get super defensive whenever this is brought up. Just like ducks tbh.

Resorting to narrative building :lol

You didnt answer the question that was asked. Period. Stick to your fandango with derp.

[Pavlov]

Resorting to narrative building :lol

You didnt answer the question that was asked. Period. Stick to your fandango with derp.No, I'd rather discuss this shooting with you.

Do you not see the possibility that better communication could've helped in this case?

Please answer this time.

[Spurtacular]

How are you saying anyone was incompetent in this case?



You'd know you have better communication when the officer pulling over the guy who called both the police and the FBI knows the guy he pulled over called the police and the FBI.


You're saying that there was a breakdown in communication. Or are you saying they were fully competent instead? Pick a lane, Chump.

[Spurtacular]

Resorting to narrative building :lol

You didnt answer the question that was asked. Period. Stick to your fandango with derp.

Resorting?

That's his main play. :lmao

[Pavlov]

You're saying that there was a breakdown in communication. Or are you saying they were fully competent instead? Pick a lane, Chump.I'm saying there was probably no policy in place requiring that communication.

Do you know all their policies?

Tell me all about them.

[Spurtacular]

I'm saying there was probably no policy in place requiring that communication.

Do you know all their policies?

Tell me all about them.

You're speculating that the police and FBI had insufficient policies.

I don't know the exact nature of the call, but let's assume threats were made, directly or indirectly, then it's up for law enforcement to assess the threat level and act accordingly, no?

[Pavlov]

You're speculating that the police and FBI had insufficient policies.Yes. They certainly may have.

Took you awhile, but you go it.

I don't even think a threat assessment was necessary. The officer who pulled him over probably would've treated the situation differently had he known of the phone calls.

Pretty simple.

[Spurtacular]

I don't even think a threat assessment was necessary. The officer who pulled him over probably would've treated the situation differently had he known of the phone calls.

Pretty simple.

What? He'd have to be a threat to be treated differently. You're just bad at this.

[Pavlov]

What? He'd have to be a threat to be treated differently.Nope.

[Spurtacular]

Nope.

Well, I can't argue with stupid.

[Pavlov]

Well, I can't argue with stupid.I can't understand for you, so it's not a big deal.

No need to go any further with you.

[Spurtacular]

I can't understand for you, so it's not a big deal.

No need to go any further with you.

You just said that the cops wouldn't treat a threat any differently than a non-threat.

[Pavlov]

You just said that the cops wouldn't treat a threat any differently than a non-threat.They wouldn't necessary have to see him as a bona fide threat. Just a potential threat to himself or others after making those calls.

[Spurs Homer]

So which shootings would have been prevented by what you proposed, since these guns were purchased legally? You didn't answer the question.

Let's see...

any shooting where a stolen gun was used - that is a bunch - the trigger would not fire the gun


countless saved right there

[Spurtacular]

They wouldn't necessary have to see him as a bona fide threat. Just a potential threat to himself or others after making those calls.

A potential threat is a threat.

Anyways, you at least tried for a change; so, no need to beat you up about your failure.

[Pavlov]

A potential threat is a threat.Nope.

[Reck]

Nope.

Derp been watching Minority Report.

[spurraider21]

Derp been watching Minority Report.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g6Vg43nDX0

[DMC]

i'm always here to discuss. glad to see you are as well, for a change.

court response wouldn't really be part of the equation, though, with respect to a constitutional amendment. courts get involved when a law violates the constitution (ie if congress passed a confiscation law tomorrow, without first amending the constitution). if you amend the constitution to no longer protect gun ownership, then courts would have no say with respect to confiscation.

so are you a proponent of repealing 2A?

I cannot personally amend the BoR.

You didn't respond.

[spurraider21]

I cannot personally amend the BoR.

You didn't respond.
DMSemantics looking to avoid actual discussion, of course

In any event, here: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281038&p=9919710&viewfull=1#post9919710

so are you a proponent of repealing 2A? Not just as some exercise to see how courts or somebody of government reacts. Do you actually favor a 2A repeal if it was on the table?

[DMC]

You'd know you have better communication when the officer pulling over the guy who called both the police and the FBI knows the guy he pulled over called the police and the FBI.

Pretty simple stuff.

In which instance? Are you saying that never happens now?

So if in one single instance, a cop pulls someone over and sees they have called into the police and FBI, that means communication has reached the level you're referring to and things should be better now?

[DMC]

DMSemantics looking to avoid actual discussion, of course

In any event, here: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281038&p=9919710&viewfull=1#post9919710

so are you a proponent of repealing 2A? Not just as some exercise to see how courts or somebody of government reacts. Do you actually favor a 2A repeal if it was on the table?

I gave my take already multiple times. I asked for yours. You've yet to respond and keep asking about my take. I will not be pawed at. This isn't an interview. If you want dialogue, quid pro quo. How would you address mass shootings, not just your take on 2A.

[DMC]

Let's see...

any shooting where a stolen gun was used - that is a bunch - the trigger would not fire the gun


countless saved right there

This is about mass shootings. If you want to talk about Chicago you'll need to find another thread.

[DMC]

What gun laws, existing or theoretical, would have prevented this?


biometric weapons

make every gun sold a biometric /fingerprint trigger gun

Offer to retrofit every gun in america

if owner refuses - he loses the gun period.

at one time - people swore they would never be forced to have seatbelts installed in their cars

but they had to comply and they did

it saved lives

2nd amendment would still be intact because no ones guns would be illegally confiscated

the gun owner would simply have to apply, submit his fingerprints, pass background checks and obey gun laws/rules to keep his gun rights

if he could not or would not comply - then it was HE - that forfeited his gun rights - not the govt/law


1st, don't confuse legality with constitutionality. USSC case law exists that clearly shows the BoR isn't slaved to laws, but the other way around.

2nd, which shooter illegally possessed a firearm?


it depends...

if all the shooters submitted their fingerprints and successfully passed all background checks, probably none were illegal

but lives would still be saved because all gun murders would be solvable crimes as every shooter would be a registered fingerprint

lives would still be saved

but you are probably right that this may not have prevented most shootings

i would hope that it would prevent future shootings just by the stringent rules enacted to comply


Pretty sure the shootings in El Paso and in Odessa were solvable crimes.

Are you just trolling now? How does what you proposed do anything to change the outcomes of the mass shootings?


nah

can't change past shootings - I was just honestly trying to answer your last question re: which shootings would have been prevented :lol


but seriously - who gives a shit about that - the past is past -


as far as future shootings - having biometric/fingerprint trigger - weapons is the only way to change what is happening and will continue to happen in the future


the technology is available on smart phones and there is a $$$ fortune to be made in making smart guns the ONLY available guns in the future

If this doesn't tell everyone reading to completely discount anything you say, nothing will.

[spurraider21]

I gave my take already multiple times. I asked for yours. You've yet to respond and keep asking about my take. I will not be pawed at. This isn't an interview. If you want dialogue, quid pro quo. How would you address mass shootings, not just your take on 2A.
i linked you to a post where i discuss what i want done with respect to gun regulation.

why are you unable to answer whether or not you want 2A to be repealed? you said you think it "should be proposed" so that you can see how courts would react to it. you haven't answered if your position is that 2A should be repealed. is that what you'd want to happen?

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i linked you to a post where i discuss what i want done with respect to gun regulation.

why are you unable to answer whether or not you want 2A to be repealed? you said you think it "should be proposed" so that you can see how courts would react to it. you haven't answered if your position is that 2A should be repealed. is that what you'd want to happen?

& don't paw at me neither, 21!!!

[DMC]

i linked you to a post where i discuss what i want done with respect to gun regulation.

why are you unable to answer whether or not you want 2A to be repealed? you said you think it "should be proposed" so that you can see how courts would react to it. you haven't answered if your position is that 2A should be repealed. is that what you'd want to happen?

So you think a buyback program is the solution to mass shootings, as if people in love with guns would jump at the chance to sell one back?

What does "mandatory buyback" mean?

[DMC]

& don't paw at me neither, 21!!!

My Hungarian devil

[spurraider21]

So you think a buyback program is the solution to mass shootings, as if people in love with guns would jump at the chance to sell one back?

What does "mandatory buyback" mean?
i misspoke. i'm in favor of a voluntary buyback, combined with regulations limiting (or fully eliminating) further manufacturing/import of those types of weapons. i've said that a few times here before.

a mandatory buyback would be akin to confiscation of those weapons, with the government having to pay owners fair market value.

i dont think the approach to curtailing mass shootings has to be myopic and only focus on guns either.

[DMC]

i misspoke. i'm in favor of a voluntary buyback, combined with regulations limiting (or fully eliminating) further manufacturing/import of those types of weapons. i've said that a few times here before.

a mandatory buyback would be akin to confiscation of those weapons, with the government having to pay owners fair market value.

i dont think the approach to curtailing mass shootings has to be myopic and only focus on guns either.

People who purchased firearms and paid an FFL get get one from overseas aren't that interested in selling. The buyback crowd are usually people who don't have any interest in the gun in the 1st place, and then you have the 20 dollar pressed out guns being sold back for 5x their value.

The buyback is only a first step in eradication of firearms. What you're saying to people is "if you don't want your gun, we'll take it" but you're not saying "you cannot have a gun". There are enough guns in circulation now that you won't need to manufacture any. The parts will be manufactured and people will continue to repair and upgrade theirs. The price will increase again and they will become hot items.

This cyclic approach only snowballs the problem (not the sexual term). You either have to cut out the guns or you have to arm people even more. Since you also cannot force people to carry, the only recourse the former.

Or you can address it from a single person perspective, how do I resolve the issue for ME? Which is what license to carry is about. It doesn't fix mass shootings, and might not save my own life, but it beats being unarmed when the nutjob isn't.

[spurraider21]

People who purchased firearms and paid an FFL get get one from overseas aren't that interested in selling. The buyback crowd are usually people who don't have any interest in the gun in the 1st place, and then you have the 20 dollar pressed out guns being sold back for 5x their value.

The buyback is only a first step in eradication of firearms. What you're saying to people is "if you don't want your gun, we'll take it" but you're not saying "you cannot have a gun". There are enough guns in circulation now that you won't need to manufacture any. The parts will be manufactured and people will continue to repair and upgrade theirs. The price will increase again and they will become hot items.

This cyclic approach only snowballs the problem (not the sexual term). You either have to cut out the guns or you have to arm people even more. Since you also cannot force people to carry, the only recourse the former.

Or you can address it from a single person perspective, how do I resolve the issue for ME? Which is what license to carry is about. It doesn't fix mass shootings, and might not save my own life, but it beats being unarmed when the nutjob isn't.
a voluntary buyback would certainly be a lot slower than a mandatory one. but i do believe there are legitimate 2A concerns with a mandatory buyback. the idea is a voluntary buyback would be slower, but still moving toward the desired goal (reduction of those types of guns in circulation). by simultaneously cutting off the supply (by ending manufacture/import of those weapons), you have a 2 pronged approach to reducing the amount in circulation. if this is combined with much more regulation on private sales, i think you still get to a better point than we are now.

[Spurs Homer]

This is about mass shootings. If you want to talk about Chicago you'll need to find another thread.


Look over these stats and then try and think if these could be cut down by making all guns biometric;


https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-america/



Not sure anyone would take anything you say seriously - if you refute this. But you will.

and

no one takes you seriously already....

[Pavlov]

In which instance? Are you saying that never happens now?

So if in one single instance, a cop pulls someone over and sees they have called into the police and FBI, that means communication has reached the level you're referring to and things should be better now? Probably would've been better in Odessa and you could wait another week before doing your backflips in threads like these.

[DMC]

Look over these stats and then try and think if these could be cut down by making all guns biometric;


https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-america/



Not sure anyone would take anything you say seriously - if you refute this. But you will.

and

no one takes you seriously already....

Has absolutely nothing to do with the question I asked you. You fucking idiot.

[DMC]

Probably would've been better in Odessa and you could wait another week before doing your backflips in threads like these.

You ask all these questions but when someone poses a real question to you you fold up like a cheap lawn chair.

:lol

[DMC]

a voluntary buyback would certainly be a lot slower than a mandatory one. but i do believe there are legitimate 2A concerns with a mandatory buyback. the idea is a voluntary buyback would be slower, but still moving toward the desired goal (reduction of those types of guns in circulation). by simultaneously cutting off the supply (by ending manufacture/import of those weapons), you have a 2 pronged approach to reducing the amount in circulation. if this is combined with much more regulation on private sales, i think you still get to a better point than we are now.

But that's an arbitrary point. Any arbitrary point has to have a reference and you would have no reference. You have to wait years to see if mass shootings decreased because the people who have the ability to do that now would still have the ability to do that then. So maybe if we just nicely asked the mass shooters to turn in their guns they would stop mass shooting people. I think that's the solution.

I mean why doesnt the law just go arrest mass shooters before they do the shooting?

[Pavlov]

You ask all these questions but when someone poses a real question to you you fold up like a cheap lawn chair.

:lol:lol I answered.

You're just afraid of anything approaching a real discussion. You got called out on your stupid ban everything bluff and you've been shitting yourself ever since.

You don't think anything could have gone differently in Odessa had the cop known about the shooter's calls?

[spurraider21]

But that's an arbitrary point. Any arbitrary point has to have a reference and you would have no reference. You have to wait years to see if mass shootings decreased because the people who have the ability to do that now would still have the ability to do that then. So maybe if we just nicely asked the mass shooters to turn in their guns they would stop mass shooting people. I think that's the solution.

I mean why doesnt the law just go arrest mass shooters before they do the shooting?
i dont think you can go full minority report and arrest people before they do stuff. sometimes there are clear red flags and mental health flags that can help you be proactive. but otherwise, in addition to whatever measures we can take to allow ease of access to mental health, we should simultaneously combat the ease of access to these sorts of weapons that make mass murder so much more practical and easy for them.

i dont think the mass murderer is likely to turn in his weapon. but the guy who privately sold it to him might otherwise have sold it to the government who pays full market value (heck, maybe we make the buyback 1.5x market value to further incentivize it). decrease the amount of guns in circulation, chip away at the ease of access to guns. you'll still have the nuts on the street, but less of them will be able to acquire guns in ways that circumvent mental health screening

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i dont think you can go full minority report and arrest people before they do stuff. sometimes there are clear red flags and mental health flags that can help you be proactive. but otherwise, in addition to whatever measures we can take to allow ease of access to mental health, we should simultaneously combat the ease of access to these sorts of weapons that make mass murder so much more practical and easy for them.

i dont think the mass murderer is likely to turn in his weapon. but the guy who privately sold it to him might otherwise have sold it to the government who pays full market value (heck, maybe we make the buyback 1.5x market value to further incentivize it). decrease the amount of guns in circulation, chip away at the ease of access to guns. you'll still have the nuts on the street, but less of them will be able to acquire guns in ways that circumvent mental health screening

No, but you'd paw at 'em no end.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70512609_10220714271033155_691109518381154304_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQmpOUUm9o5VPSiCYCqi6zNK4tuRE88wrb0nome5Qni ERY8T70y4qUwu9ubMFBDIvKc&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=5c71d9c2c0816cc935d9a4c8fef1ac0c&oe=5E04909B

[Spurs Homer]

Has absolutely nothing to do with the question I asked you. You fucking idiot.

dont be angry and lash out just because everyone in this thread has dropped huge wet turds on your stupid ass


:rollin

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dont be angry and lash out just because everyone in this thread has dropped huge wet turds on your stupid ass


:rollin

ha, ha, D called you an idiot, a fucking idiot.

[Spurs Homer]

ha, ha, D called you an idiot, a fucking idiot.

Idiot = anyone who believes a word coming out of the ''12,000 CONFIRMED LIES'' con man!

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Idiot = anyone who believes a word coming out of the ''12,000 CONFIRMED LIES'' con man!

(CONFIRMED)

Only fucking idiots would waste a moment, must less paid time running to & fro pawing for confirmation, but, then what else could you do once he left her where he found her...dead in the ground.

You fucking idiot.

[boutons_deux]

Evangelical leader suggests teaching evolution contributes to mass shootings

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins :lol of course!

said this week that

the regularity of mass shootings in the United States

stems from a "decades-long march" to drive "religion and God from the public square,"

suggesting that the teaching of evolution has led Americans to treat each other like "dirt."

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/459763-evangelical-leader-suggests-teaching-evolution-contributes-to-mass-shootings (https://thehill.com/homenews/media/459763-evangelical-leader-suggests-teaching-evolution-contributes-to-mass-shootings)

Americans to treat each other like "dirt." ? no, no, that's capitalism

[Thread]

Evangelical leader suggests teaching evolution contributes to mass shootings



Family Research Council President Tony Perkins :lol of course!

said this week that

the regularity of mass shootings in the United States

stems from a "decades-long march" to drive "religion and God from the public square,"

suggesting that the teaching of evolution has led Americans to treat each other like "dirt."

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/459763-evangelical-leader-suggests-teaching-evolution-contributes-to-mass-shootings (https://thehill.com/homenews/media/459763-evangelical-leader-suggests-teaching-evolution-contributes-to-mass-shootings)

Americans to treat each other like "dirt." ? no, no, that's capitalism

Tell it, Tony. Testify!!!

[DMC]

(CONFIRMED)

Only fucking idiots would waste a moment, must less paid time running to & fro pawing for confirmation, but, then what else could you do once he left her where he found her...dead in the ground.

You fucking idiot.

Testify Dale!!!

[DMC]

i dont think you can go full minority report and arrest people before they do stuff. sometimes there are clear red flags and mental health flags that can help you be proactive. but otherwise, in addition to whatever measures we can take to allow ease of access to mental health, we should simultaneously combat the ease of access to these sorts of weapons that make mass murder so much more practical and easy for them.

i dont think the mass murderer is likely to turn in his weapon. but the guy who privately sold it to him might otherwise have sold it to the government who pays full market value (heck, maybe we make the buyback 1.5x market value to further incentivize it). decrease the amount of guns in circulation, chip away at the ease of access to guns. you'll still have the nuts on the street, but less of them will be able to acquire guns in ways that circumvent mental health screening

List mass shooters who acquired guns illegally or who bought from private sellers. We can start with Columbine.

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/ZkMrE8P.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Texas shooter bought gun in private sale, after ban due to mental illness

The gunman who killed seven people and wounded 23 others in a rampage across West Texas on Saturday obtained the assault-style rifle used through a private sale after he was banned from having a firearm because he was diagnosed with a mental illness,

Ator bought the assault-style rifle through a private sale

after being prohibited by federal law from possessing a firearm because he had been diagnosed with a mental illness by a clinician, ABC news reported, citing federal and local law enforcement.

Private firearm sellers are not required to run background checks on potential buyers,

but they are not allowed to sell a weapon to a person who has been flagged by law enforcement under federal law.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-texas-shooting/texas-shooter-bought-gun-in-private-sale-after-ban-due-to-mental-illness-abc-idUSKCN1VP00N?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-texas-shooting/texas-shooter-bought-gun-in-private-sale-after-ban-due-to-mental-illness-abc-idUSKCN1VP00N?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews)

So who is the private seller who violated federal law?

I bet there are 1000s of private sellers who don't GAF about the law

[spurraider21]

List mass shooters who acquired guns illegally or who bought from private sellers. We can start with Columbine.
based on your very next post, looks like most acquired them legally. what's the takeaway? that its way too easy for these guys to legally acquire weapons... and that they predominately are looking for legal, not illegal, avenues for acquiring their weapons. that would only seem to bolster the theory that legal obstacles to acquiring these weapons would prevent some of these idiots from getting their hands on those guns. these guys overwhelmingly avoid the black market

[DMC]

based on your very next post, looks like most acquired them legally. what's the takeaway? that its way too easy for these guys to legally acquire weapons... and that they predominately are looking for legal, not illegal, avenues for acquiring their weapons. that would only seem to bolster the theory that legal obstacles to acquiring these weapons would prevent some of these idiots from getting their hands on those guns. these guys overwhelmingly avoid the black market

The take away is keeping guns out of the hands of criminals isn't the mass shooting solution, so gun laws isn't the answer nor is background checks. This isn't the typical crook gets gun scenario. This is your everyday loser who has acquired a gun at some point (most people I know own several) and one day some aspect of his life convinces him "fuck it, I'm going in". In the past that would never have occurred to us to kill a lot of people as a suicide statement. In the past we'd go out in to a field and shoot ourselves in the face, or overdose on meds, or drive a car off a cliff or something stupid like that, hell even suicide by cop. Not now though. Now we hate everyone, and everyone needs to die so if we no longer care about living, we want to kill as many as we can to get that last statement in there for the world to see we aren't fucking around.

Find a way to locate, treat and/or eradicate those fuckers and that's a good start.

From a personal standpoint, my solution is to be armed. I cannot provide that to anyone else, you're free to choose. It's not a great solution, I'd rather not be armed but I am a dick as well so fuck you if you think you're getting me as a statement statistic.

People don't care about other people. Moreso now than any other time in my lifetime. That's not bad enough, they don't value life at all, not even their own. But they know some still do and they hate them for it, and they lash out to take as much of that away as possible.

It's also a bully era, social bullying now doesn't end at the end of the school day. Now it goes through the night, the summer, infiltrating all of the life of a kid or young adult. They aren't individuals now, but some odd collective that when one gets rejected they die on the vine.

[spurraider21]

The take away is keeping guns out of the hands of criminals isn't the mass shooting solution, so gun laws isn't the answer nor is background checks. This isn't the typical crook gets gun scenario. This is your everyday loser who has acquired a gun at some point (most people I know own several) and one day some aspect of his life convinces him "fuck it, I'm going in". In the past that would never have occurred to us to kill a lot of people as a suicide statement. In the past we'd go out in to a field and shoot ourselves in the face, or overdose on meds, or drive a car off a cliff or something stupid like that, hell even suicide by cop. Not now though. Now we hate everyone, and everyone needs to die so if we no longer care about living, we want to kill as many as we can to get that last statement in there for the world to see we aren't fucking around.

Find a way to locate, treat and/or eradicate those fuckers and that's a good start.

From a personal standpoint, my solution is to be armed. I cannot provide that to anyone else, you're free to choose. It's not a great solution, I'd rather not be armed but I am a dick as well so fuck you if you think you're getting me as a statement statistic.

People don't care about other people. Moreso now than any other time in my lifetime. That's not bad enough, they don't value life at all, not even their own. But they know some still do and they hate them for it, and they lash out to take as much of that away as possible.

It's also a bully era, social bullying now doesn't end at the end of the school day. Now it goes through the night, the summer, infiltrating all of the life of a kid or young adult. They aren't individuals now, but some odd collective that when one gets rejected they die on the vine.
i dont agree with the interpretation. that almost all of these mass shootings happens with legally acquired arms only suggests that making them legally unavailable will prevent a good amount of these nuts from acquiring the weapons needed to carry out the acts. it it was more of a mixed bag, or we saw something like 90% of these mass shootings happen with guns acquired in the black market, that would be pretty solid evidence that regulations wouldn't do shit.

[DMC]

i dont agree with the interpretation. that almost all of these mass shootings happens with legally acquired arms only suggests that making them legally unavailable will prevent a good amount of these nuts from acquiring the weapons needed to carry out the acts. it it was more of a mixed bag, or we saw something like 90% of these mass shootings happen with guns acquired in the black market, that would be pretty solid evidence that regulations wouldn't do shit.

They aren't nuts until they decide to kill everyone.

Legislation won't make the weapons unavailable. It's a pipe dream to think it will. It will only make features of the weapon no longer manufactured for sale to the public, but the market is saturated already from past threats from the left to "take your guns". All legislation will do is cause the price of the gun to go up. They are already throwing their life out the window, they won't balk at a 2500.00 AR-15. They only need one. You'll be able to buy 30 round magazines off the shelf "while supplies last". Then you'll find them on Gunbroker.com or some other gun website because private sales won't be affected. Congress will never tell Americans that what they already own is now illegal, and worthless.

So since the legislators don't have the political balls to propose real changes, nothing will happen. Even when assault weapon bans were in effect, they were easy to acquire and you really only need a higher cap magazine to have the same stopping power as a .223 AR-15 from basically any centerfire weapon.

[DMC]

There basically needs to be a sweep of homes to see who has a firearm legally and who has a firearm illegally. Prior to that an amnesty period needs to exist to say "if you are in possession of a firearm and cannot legally purchase one, we will buy your gun from you and you can walk away uncharged" but after that, anyone owning a firearm needs to register it at no charge, and in the process they will have to show they can legally purchase one.

That could cause problems and the FOPA restricts federal databases for firearms, but it doesn't restrict local ones. So it cannot be the ATF, it has to be local authorities.

People have to be made aware it's going to happen, they can protest and all that, but if they are legal they have nothing to worry about. It doesn't matter how many guns you own, you only need to show you own a gun and are legally allowed to have it.

Then they have to completely prohibit gun sales from person to person, all sales must go through an FFL.

That would remove a small percentage of illegally owned firearms. It wouldn't address legally owned ones where the owner could go postal. You'd need a lot more BoR violations for that.

[boutons_deux]

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot hits back at Ted Cruz's claims about gun control (https://theweek.com/speedreads/862693/chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-hits-back-ted-cruzs-claims-about-gun-control)

After Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) tried to use her city as an example why "gun control doesn't work,"

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot came back with a sharp response, (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chicago-mayor-tells-ted-cruz-keep-our-name-out-your-n1049336)

calling him a "coward" and telling him to get his facts straight.

Lightfoot was quick to respond.

"60 percent of illegal firearms recovered in Chicago come from outside IL,

mostly from states dominated

by coward Republicans like you who refuse to enact commonsense gun legislation," she tweeted. (https://twitter.com/LightfootForChi/status/1168689083478097922)

"Keep our name out of your mouth." :lol

between 2013 and 2016,

"the majority of illegally used or possessed firearms recovered in Chicago

are traced back to states with less regulation over firearms, such as Indiana and Mississippi."

"But enough with the

dishonest use of our city as a cheap symbol to cover for the @gop's unwillingness to protect their constituents."

https://theweek.com/speedreads/862693/chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-hits-back-ted-cruzs-claims-about-gun-control

shitbag Cruz knowing his shitbag voters will believe his lying bullshit

[DMC]

^So then Chicago is just full of people who will cross state lines to illegally purchase a firearm.

Yeah that's so much better.

[Chucho]

They aren't nuts until they decide to kill everyone.

Legislation won't make the weapons unavailable. It's a pipe dream to think it wil

Remember, "illegal doesn't mean inaccessible" automatically = "thinking a total ban is futile" because 21 said so.

[spurraider21]

Remember, "illegal doesn't mean inaccessible" automatically = "thinking a total ban is futile" because 21 said so.
all the criminals will get guns anyway tho

[Chucho]

all the criminals will get guns anyway tho

If you say so.

[ducks]

West Texas shooter failed background check after being adjudicated 'a mental defective,' sources say
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/04/us/west-texas-odessa-shooter/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

[ducks]

10784 died by drunks

[spurraider21]

10784 died by drunks
wow more than illegal immigrants!