Most overrated players of all time....

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http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3882560?GT1=7409

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All-time overrated NBA players
Charley Rosen / Special to FOXSports.com
Posted: 73 days ago

The numbers are misleading, and so is the hype. The truth is that too many "good" players are wrongly celebrated as being all-time greats. To set the record straight, here's an alphabetical list of the most overrated NBA players ever.

Charles Barkley

So who's underrated?
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The Round Mound of Rebound was never in acceptable game shape. But reporting to one Houston training camp 20 pounds overweight didn't prevent him from chastising his teammates for not being serious about challenging for the championship. Also, he only played defense when the spirit moved him — which was very seldom. These days, he complains about not having played with top-flight teammates — left unsaid, however, is the fact that Barkley's self-involved style of play did nothing to compliment whatever talents his teammates did have. Over the course of his career, Barkley's selfishness and total lack of discipline made him a chronic underachiever.

Walt Bellamy

He was lazy, sloppy, soft, selfish, defenseless, and useless in the clutch. The media called him "Big Bells," but his fellow players had another name for him — "Tinker Bell". His career averages of 20.1 points and 13.7 rebounds per game notwithstanding, what's Bellamy doing in the Hall of Fame?

Patrick Ewing

Patrick Ewing wasn't exactly his best when the game was on the line. (Otto Greule Jr. / Getty Images)

Had he played out of the spotlight in someplace like Orlando or Salt Lake City, Ewing would be remembered as a jump-shooting center who worked hard. Period. With the adulatory New York fans and media filtering their perceptions through the lens of their need to have heroes to celebrate, Ewing was celebrated as being far better than he really was. In truth, he couldn't handle, pass, move laterally, and do anything worthwhile when an important game was on the line. Moreover, his dim apprehension of what the game was all about precluded any thoughts of being unselfish. Except for the early days of the Mets and the Brooklyn Dodgers, New York sports fans rarely hitch their devotion to a loser like Ewing.

George Gervin

Double-G was a great scorer, smooth and virtually unstoppable. And that's all, folks. He couldn't (or didn't) pass, defend, or rebound. Gervin's idea of team basketball was when a teammate passed him the ball. Of necessity, his San Antonio teams played high-octane offense and flat-tire defense. That's why Gervin never played in a championship series.

Connie Hawkins

Charley Rosen spices up the off-season by ranking the best teams, top players by position and more.

Best all-time teams:
# Nos. 13-9 | 8-5 | 4-1

Best all-time ringless teams:
# Nos. 23-15 | 14-8 | 7-1

Individual honors/dishonors:
# All-time overrated | Underrated

Best of the best:
# Power forwards | Small forwards
# Point guards | Shooting guards
# Centers | Sixth men | Coaches

He could finish in spectacular ways, and he could make both plain and simple passes. Otherwise, he couldn't shoot, rebound, run, or play defense. How bad was the Hawk's defense? The first time he played in Madison Square Garden, the Suns tried to hide Hawkins' atrocious defense by matching him up with Dick Barnett. Too bad Barnett was so insulted by the ploy that he lit up Hawkins for 35 points. Also, nobody ever accused Hawkins of having a passion to play basketball: He once told the Suns that he couldn't play that night because he had a fever. A doctor was summoned, and Hawkins' temperature registered at 98.9. As a result, Hawkins felt justified to sit on the bench in his civvies. Hawkins was all flash and very little substance.

Elvin Hayes

He could do three things — rebound, block shots, and shoot a high percentage on turnaround jumpers from the left box. He couldn't pass, handle, play honest defense, or hit a clutch shot to get into heaven. In addition, he paid no attention to the basketball alphabet of Xs and Os. All he cared about was "me-ball-basket."

Karl Malone

I've been on this guy's case many times before, and for the same reasons. He found various ways to choke in the 1996 Conference finals and in the 1997 and 1998 Finals — missed free throws, damaging turnovers, ill-advised shots, losing gambles on defense, and so on. In addition, his passing skills and his defense were both overblown, and his assist-turnover ration was a horrendous 5:4. There are only two reasons why Malone is deemed to be an elite power-forward — John Stockton, and longevity.

Bob McAdoo

Here's all anyone needs to know about McAdoo's game: When he played against the Celtics, McAdoo was usually defended by Dave Cowens. Now Cowens was a legitimate tough guy who always played with intensity, power, and courage, and whose rough-house tactics on defense would often approach minor felonies. At the start of McAdoo's matchups with Cowens, B-Mac would assume his favorite position on the left box. Perhaps he'd even get a shot off. Perhaps he'd even get fouled. But Cowens would definitely assault him with elbows, knees, hips, forearms, and fists. By the middle of the first quarter, McAdoo would post-up five feet beyond the box. By the end of the fourth quarter, he'd be looking to receive the ball near the 3-point line. Anything to avoid contact. In other words, McAdoo was nothing more than a big, quick, soft, jump-shooter deluxe.

Pete Maravich

A one-man circus who wouldn't throw a pass unless it was behind the back or through the legs or in one ear and out the other. And his completion rate was barely above .500. His ball-hogging made him unpopular with his teammates, but scored big-time with the media. It's no accident that his teams were always pretenders and never contenders. It also says here that Maravich was the worst defender in NBA history.

Gary Payton

G.P. has always been a shoot-first point guard, favoring post-ups, open middles, and high-and-low screens to locate his shots. He was also a confrontational player, demanding perfection form his teammates and his coaches, but never from himself. Payton's reputation for playing outstanding defense gained him All-Defense honors for nine seasons, and a famous nickname, "The Glove." Even so, during the 1996 Finals, the Chicago Bulls set out to prove something that they already knew — that Payton's rep was mostly bogus. In lieu of playing solid contain defense, Payton routinely gambled for steals at every opportunity, and when he failed he put his teammates in jeopardy. The Bulls limited Payton's room to maneuver by posting Michael Jordan, who had little difficulty catching, shooting, driving, and generally having his way against G.P. Payton's game was, and is, less than meets the eye.

David Robinson

This guy was a cream puff. He could come from the weak-side to block shots, but he couldn't guard his own man. He could rebound, but rarely in a crowd. He could score, but only on foul-line jumpers, or only if a defender bought a head fake after he drove his left hand into the middle. He couldn't pass or handle. He couldn't stand his ground in the paint. And, according to one of his ex-coaches, he never worked on his game in the off-season simply because he really didn't like playing basketball. Had he not played alongside of Tim Duncan, The Admiral would have been lost at sea.

Charley Rosen, former CBA coach, author of 12 books about hoops, the current one being A pivotal season — How the 1971-72 L.A. Lakers changed the NBA, is a frequent contributor to FOXSports.com.

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drob n gervin on the list?? lmao

[pache100]

Charley Rosen has always been a first-class ass about David Robinson. Which, for me, pretty much invalidates anything else he has to say.

What I hear when Charley Rosen talks: "Blah...blah...blah."

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what a idiot

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time to
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so gp was overratd because mj made him look bad.
the guy is a idiot
mj made alot of people look like kids

[ShoogarBear]

Old article. This has already been posted and debated:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23365

[Spurminator]

I thought this sounded familiar...

[adidas11]

Sorry about that!

[nkdlunch]

ewing, barkley, malone, gervin, drob??? why don't u put Jordan on that list too!?
:idiot

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I know we have an "Ignore" option for certain posters, but is there any option that we can ignore any thread in which a Charlie Rosen article is posted? Expert my ass.

[Dos]

charlie rosen should make the list of the most over-rated sports writers falling right in line after.. Brian Cox and Steven A Smith...

[Spurologist]

what rhymes with full-hit?

[sa_butta]

what rhymes with full-hit?Tool kit

[samikeyp]

only thing overrated is Rosen's status as a journalist.

[Horry For 3!]

Rosen is a stupid old fat man who doesn't know anything about basketball.

[easjer]

I've SEEN the light!

David Robinson was never a good player! EVER! Who the FUCK let him into the 50 Best Players? Huh? HUH?

:rolleyes




Yes, from now on, I will see this instead of words when this asshat is posted: :blah

[JamStone]

I completely disagree with David Robinson being overrated, but I do put some merit in something he wrote. He mentioned that D-Rob couldn't score except for that foul line jumper. And, I do think the one big knock on the Admiral is that he never developed a consistent and effective back-to-the-basket post game.

But, you cannot use that alone to say that he was overrated. You don't win MVP of the entire league by being overrated. That is a wildly outrageous contention.

[slayermin]

Sorry about that!

No you're not.

Where the hell is Kobe Bryant on this list? He should be on the list unless he leads the Lakers to the playoffs. It would be so sweet to see Kobe fail again this year.

[BillsCarnage]

It's funny that whenever Barkley is mentioned in a overrated article or form of media it's always as a Rocket. His Sixer and Suns days are rarely, if ever, mentioned. He was in his prime w/Suns and was amazing to watch.

I remember watching him be sandwiched by Larry Johnson and Alonzo(Hornets at the time) for a rebound. He out jumped both of them to get the rebound late in a game. There have only been a handful of other players that could put a team on their shoulders and carry them they way he did with the Suns.

[Marcus Bryant]

Rosen needs to review the supporting casts DRob enjoyed in SA from 1989-96.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

It's funny that whenever Barkley is mentioned in a overrated article or form of media it's always as a Rocket. His Sixer and Suns days are rarely, if ever, mentioned. He was in his prime w/Suns and was amazing to watch.

I remember watching him be sandwiched by Larry Johnson and Alonzo(Hornets at the time) for a rebound. He out jumped both of them to get the rebound late in a game. There have only been a handful of other players that could put a team on their shoulders and carry them they way he did with the Suns.


Good point. In his days in Philly and Phoenix he was a bad mamma jamma, but his days in Houston were just a blind grab for a championship. I think it's hard to fault anyone who did as much as he did when he wasn't built much bigger than Malik Rose.

[Vashner]

Barkley....

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All-time overrated NBA players
Charley Rosen / Special to FOXSports.com
Posted: 73 days ago
Charles Barkley

The Round Mound of Rebound was never in acceptable game shape. But reporting to one Houston training camp 20 pounds overweight didn't prevent him from chastising his teammates for not being serious about challenging for the championship. Also, he only played defense when the spirit moved him — which was very seldom.

I thought he was talking about Shaq ....


David Robinson

This guy was a cream puff. He could come from the weak-side to block shots, but he couldn't guard his own man. He could rebound, but rarely in a crowd. He could score, but only on foul-line jumpers, or only if a defender bought a head fake after he drove his left hand into the middle. He couldn't pass or handle. He couldn't stand his ground in the paint. And, according to one of his ex-coaches, he never worked on his game in the off-season simply because he really didn't like playing basketball. Had he not played alongside of Tim Duncan, The Admiral would have been lost at sea.

Let's see, this is a guy who held Shaq to 22.5 points in two playoff series with a bad back, won DPoY once, led the league in dunks twice. And He could rebound but rarely in a crowd? So how did he rebound? I mean, there are somehow 12 rebounds in any given NBA game that nobody was going after? I mean, they were just LETTING Robinson get is 12 a game?
He couldn't handle, and yet he consistently drove pass his man, he couldn't pass yet led his team in assists in a season, he couldn't stand his ground in the paint, and yet he consistently gets offensive rebounds. He was lost at sea without Duncan and yet he won Rookie of the Year, an MVP, DPoY, All-Defensive First teams, All-NBA first teams, All-Star games .... yeah, please don't let facts get into your arguments, Charley.

[strangeweather]

It's funny that whenever Barkley is mentioned in a overrated article or form of media it's always as a Rocket. His Sixer and Suns days are rarely, if ever, mentioned. He was in his prime w/Suns and was amazing to watch.

I remember watching him be sandwiched by Larry Johnson and Alonzo(Hornets at the time) for a rebound. He out jumped both of them to get the rebound late in a game. There have only been a handful of other players that could put a team on their shoulders and carry them they way he did with the Suns.

It's worth remembering that he was also better with the Suns than he was with Philly, largely because he was actually in shape in Phoenix. Barkley had a stretch in Phoenix when he was simply astonishing. But he had a lot of other years in other places when he could have been a lot better than he was if he had worked harder.

[pache100]

It would be so sweet to see Kobe fail again this year.

Fasten your seatbelt and put on your sunglasses...it's gonna happen!