Seinfeld will be on Netflix

[lefty]

In 2021 :lol

https://twitter.com/netflix/status/1173634552373243912?s=21

[Reck]

I always laugh when I see stuff like this.

Firstly, lol hyping a 30 year old show
Then pulling a but is in 3 years from now

I canceled my Netflix subscription about 2 weeks ago. Not sure where I'll go next if at all.

[phxspurfan]

plebs gonna pleb over shit subscription service

[Blake]

Netflix in desperation mode

[Reck]

Netflix in desperation mode

Explain?

Business wise this is a good move given they lost both The Office and Friends the same year they'll get Seinfeld. It kinds of stabilizes the lost.

Also the news about Disney+ not releasing their shows all at once gives Netflix room to breath. it will be a while before their library become stack one episode at a time.

[spurraider21]

i dno, blake has had a habit of posting articles about the demise of netflix

[gambit1990]

when i saw this on twitter i actually thought for a split second that new episodes were coming out.

[Nivek_ogre]

I don't understand wanting to watch any old network shows. I have Netflix for movies and their content.

[IronMexican]

I like it tbh. If I ever catch it on TBS, I'll tune in. Wonder if they can get a special or something. I know they did Curb, but still.

[Blake]

i dno, blake has had a habit of posting articles about the demise of netflix

Well there's more and more articles coming out about it.

It's fascinating to me how they expect to stay afloat with the same formula while other streaming services are passing them by. They remind me of Blockbuster.

[Blake]

Explain?

Business wise this is a good move given they lost both The Office and Friends the same year they'll get Seinfeld. It kinds of stabilizes the lost.

Also the news about Disney+ not releasing their shows all at once gives Netflix room to breath. it will be a while before their library become stack one episode at a time.

Well yeah that's it. It's clear they didn't just want Seinfeld. They need it.

I think it's still just a band-aid on a large wound tho.

[SnakeBoy]

i dno, blake has had a habit of posting articles about the demise of netflix

I don't know about heir demise but they really don't have much to watch. Mostly original programs most which is pretty bad, especially their movies.

I'll keep it though. Nice to know I can watch the office eight more times and then they'll have Seinfeld.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

My response to netflix

http://i.imgur.com/c9fvX.jpg

[SpursforSix]

I don't know about heir demise but they really don't have much to watch. Mostly original programs most which is pretty bad, especially their movies.

I'll keep it though. Nice to know I can watch the office eight more times and then they'll have Seinfeld.

Yeah...I find myself watching less and less of Netflix. They'll put out a few good documentaries here and there and some so/so movies. But also a lot of crap.

I don't care much about them losing the Office. I've seen them all once or twice and feel like I can get my fix catching it on syndication. Think several networks run it pretty frequently.

I don't like that they don't put up ratings but I get it.

[Chucho]

Compared to Hulu and Amazon, it's better. Hulu is great for some old sitcoms and cartoons. Have pretty much exhausted the good documentaries on all of the services, but I cut the cord a while back. I don't get into any series as I just don't have time. YouTube gets most of my TV viewing time, tbh.

[Medvedenko]

People cancelling Netflix over certain content is stupid. If you can't afford 10 bucks you have bigger problems. Good Luck.

[leemajors]

ATT just spent billions on Big Bang Theory

https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-1838181809

[SpursforSix]

Compared to Hulu and Amazon, it's better. Hulu is great for some old sitcoms and cartoons. Have pretty much exhausted the good documentaries on all of the services, but I cut the cord a while back. I don't get into any series as I just don't have time. YouTube gets most of my TV viewing time, tbh.

I like Amazon because it's cheap when you account for the free shipping and other benefits. And I think their in house serieses are far better than Netflix.
Hulu's good if you pay the extra for HBO/Sho/CM.

Netflix is the 3rd on that list for me.

[Blake]

People cancelling Netflix over certain content is stupid. If you can't afford 10 bucks you have bigger problems. Good Luck.

Lol streaming high roller

[Blake]

I like Amazon because it's cheap when you account for the free shipping and other benefits. And I think their in house serieses are far better than Netflix.
Hulu's good if you pay the extra for HBO/Sho/CM.

Netflix is the 3rd on that list for me.

And you can rent/buy movies on Amazon.

I've got the live package with Hulu. I think it's a fair deal for $50

[Reck]

Well there's more and more articles coming out about it.

It's fascinating to me how they expect to stay afloat with the same formula while other streaming services are passing them by. They remind me of Blockbuster.

What are you even talking about here?

Who are these other services "passing them by? Netflix reported they didn't meet quite their goal on subscriber a few weeks ago but even that still is plenty to keep them ahead of the rest. They lost subscribers (or at least didn't gain much) and still were #1.

Your Blockbuster analogy is stupid, I'm sorry to say.

As far as Netflix getting Seinfeld and "needing it" is a stretch. Seinfeld is a 30 year old show. Who's the one person you know that's pining for this and that hadn't seen it by now?

Also what is Hulu and Amazon doing differently than Netflix? They're all doing the same. Hulu I'll give you, they are trying the live TV package deal but the point of cord cutting is that you're trying to be lean and cut costs.

At some point though you might be right that one of these companies will have to give given the saturation of the streaming market. It likely won't be Netflix or Amazon. Money on who folds first is entirely on Hulu if we're going that far.

[Blake]

Meh the Blockbuster analogy wasn't great. Point is, Netflix is getting stagnant.

Maybe they become like HBO in this next decade which isn't a bad thing except they are spending some serious cash that I'm not seeing how they make up for any time soon. Like you mentioned, who is pining to see Seinfeld so bad that already doesn't have Netflix?

Here's the rundown as I see it; feel free to correct me if I miss something:

Netflix: they have to purchase popular network shows, movies, and they make original content

Amazon: free shipping, movie rental, some live TV including Thursday Night NFL plus all the things that Netflix can do

Hulu: live and local TV packages including many sports channels plus all the things Netflix can do

Disney+: will swallow Hulu, plus pull all Disney/abc/ESPN content from Netflix, and then do anything Netflix can do

[Chucho]

I like Amazon because it's cheap when you account for the free shipping and other benefits. And I think their in house serieses are far better than Netflix.
Hulu's good if you pay the extra for HBO/Sho/CM.

Netflix is the 3rd on that list for me.

Netflix is also good for their kids stuff. We get our money's worth on the kids programming alone.

I'm not into dramas so I don't sink teeth into the serieseses, so original content that will appeal to me will be comedies, some animation (new Rocko's Modern Life was awesome, tbh) and documentaries. I love Amazon for the plentiful bounty of old, fun cheese movies to watch with the fam while cooking and eating dinner, but Netflix's original content fits my tastes better.

With all the streaming services I have- Netflix, HBO, Hulu, WWE Network, Amazon (Cinemax and Starz added on), I'm still saving $40-$75 per month compared to cable. Thinking of adding YouTube Premium as well since I spend more time on YT than any of my pay-services.

[Blake]

Money on who folds first is entirely on Hulu if we're going that far.

I'll give you 100-1 odd it's not hulu

[Blake]

^ I do agree about Netflix being great for kids

[Reck]

I'll give you 100-1 odd it's not hulu

But you just said Disney+ will swallow Hulu in your previous post. :lol

The big loser from all of these giants coming up is most definitely Hulu. It's the less popular of them all to begin with. I also dont think Hulu would simply cease to exist. Rather as stipulated in my post, If we are playing who goes first it's them.

[Pavlov]

Disney+: will swallow Hulu, plus pull all Disney/abc/ESPN content from Netflix, and then do anything Netflix can doThey're going to own Hulu but keep it separate for adult content that can't be shown on Disney+ if nothing else. The reported Disney+/Hulu/Espn+ bundle seems like an easy sell.

Netflix should be OK simply because of its head start and war chest, but they're going to have to be more judicious with their spending.

AT&T/Warner looks like a huge rudderless mess at this point. They have like five live TV delivery options, none of which have the same content. Then they will have HBO Max, which is going to take content from existing services like HBO Now and DC Universe with no current plan to change either. Throw nonsensical failures like Warner Archive and FilmStruck. Damn.

[Pavlov]

And Comcast just announced their service. Can't see shelling out a monthly fee for that. CBS has Star Trek as their killer app and could potentially put the whole franchise on lock with the Viacom merger. NBC has?

[Blake]

But you just said Disney+ will swallow Hulu in your previous post. :lol

The big loser from all of these giants coming up is most definitely Hulu. It's the less popular of them all to begin with. I also dont think Hulu would simply cease to exist. Rather as stipulated in my post, If we are playing who goes first it's them.

Your bet is that Hulu folds first if we're going that far.

Disney bought them. They aren't going anywhere, tbh.

Netflix is the one that is starting to find themselves alone on an island.

[Reck]

Your bet is that Hulu folds first if we're going that far.

Disney bought them. They aren't going anywhere, tbh.

Netflix is the one that is starting to find themselves alone on an island.

It is easier for Disney to discard them once they see its not up to par with the rest now that they're getting into it themselves. You just made my case for me.

How is Netflix alone on an island? Anyways you look at it, Netflix is still king and by their lonesome. I guess you're right in that sense.

Why are you even arguing this? Its non debatable at the moment. Now if you want to pick this up when Disney+ gets going and actually starts beating Netflix consistently then we'll talk.

Which streaming service is currently beating Netflix right now?

So far you're playing the if and when game which counts for nothing.

[Blake]

It is easier for Disney to discard them once they see its not up to par with the rest now that they're getting into it themselves. You just made my case for me.

Lol "easier to discard". I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. You haven't looked at the Disney/Hulu deal at all.

And where are you getting that Hulu isn't up to par? I think Hulu is way better than Netflix.

Even the series options that let you search individual episodes based on tag words is really cool.


How is Netflix alone on an island? Anyways you look at it, Netflix is still king and by their lonesome. I guess you're right in that sense.

Why are you even arguing this? Its non debatable at the moment. Now if you want to pick this up when Disney+ gets going and actually starts beating Netflix consistently then we'll talk.

Which streaming service is currently beating Netflix right now?

So far you're playing the if and when game which counts for nothing.

Well yeah, I've been playing the Netflix future game. I never said I wasn't. Why you getting riled up about it?

[Reck]

Lol "easier to discard". I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. You haven't looked at the Disney/Hulu deal at all.

Dont need to.

Do you actually think that when and if the time comes that Hulu is not viable against the other giants that Disney won't just either sell it back to whomever or shell it if they are losing money because of it?

They're not just going to bleed money to keep a streaming service for the hell of it.



And where are you getting that Hulu isn't up to par? I think Hulu is way better than Netflix.

Even the series options that let you search individual episodes based on tag words is really cool.

Well that is of course your opinion. I'm going based on subscription and revenue.

And I tried Hulu once. Their UI is shit. You have to look up stuff yourself.

Ads to start a movie or tv show even on the "no ad" plans. lol I quickly canceled that nonsense.



Well yeah, I've been playing the Netflix future game. I never said I wasn't. Why you getting riled up about it?

Oh I'm not. I'm just telling you how things are at the moment. And like I said in this very thread, I'm not even a Netflix subscriber anymore so I have no dog in this fight per se.

You're the one bordering on delusional here talking about all this doom and gloom. Netflix is international, Disney+ will not be for years.

How are you thinking they will be able to cripple Netflix as a whole when admittedly they will only operate within the states.

Netflix advantage is their head start on everybody. They have that by years.

Dont expect Disney or any other streaming service to just overtake them in a month like you seem to think.

[Blake]

Dont need to.

:lol

[Blake]

Here dude, I'll help you out

https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/09/15/hulu-is-now-more-popular-than-amazon-prime-on-roku.aspx

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/01/hulu-gained-twice-as-many-subscribers-as-netflix-in-us.html

[Reck]

:lol

Notice how you ignore 99% of my post.

I'll take that as you bowing out.

[Blake]

Notice how you ignore 99% of my post.

I'll take that as you bowing out.

I didn't really ignore it. I'm not really up for the line by line answer thing from a big post. If you want to take that as bowing out sorry I don't care

[Reck]

Here dude, I'll help you out

https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/09/15/hulu-is-now-more-popular-than-amazon-prime-on-roku.aspx

Oh ok, more popular than...a company I'm not even talking about. lol reaching

:lol On Roku


as the third most popular channel on the Roku

I wonder who the first one is...lets read some..


remains the most popular channel on Roku, as it has been for years. Even back in 2014, in one of Roku's earliest published rankings, the streaming service was the top destination for viewers. That's unchanged today, and Netflix is followed by Alphabet's YouTube

Bye.

[Blake]

If you read Disney plans for Hulu, I don't really see Disney shutting them down. It's not really even a debate on that.

[Blake]

Oh ok, more popular than...a company I'm not even talking about. lol reaching

:lol On Roku



I wonder who the first one is...lets read some..



Bye.

They moved ahead of Amazon by Roku users. Even though they're only talking Roku, I think it's still telling. I think hulu is waaay more popular than you think.

I don't know what's up with it saying "alphabet" instead of Google. Lol ok bye.

[Reck]

If you read Disney plans for Hulu, I don't really see Disney shutting them down. It's not really even a debate on that.

I didn't say they would. I said if Hulu starts being a liability and cost them money, they will.

[Reck]

They moved ahead of Amazon by Roku users. Even though they're only talking Roku, I think it's still telling. I think hulu is waaay more popular than you think.

I don't know what's up with it saying "alphabet" instead of Google. Lol ok bye.

Argument lost so you started moving the goalpost to Amazon instead of what I had been arguing for. I also said they were less popular than the main streaming service, not that they are unpopular.

Keep fighting the good fight, Blake.

[Blake]

I didn't say they would. I said if Hulu starts being a liability and cost them money, they will.

So "if game" good now.

If Disney World starts being a liability I guess they'll shut that down too.

[Blake]

Argument lost so you started moving the goalpost to Amazon instead of what I had been arguing for. I also said they were less popular than the main streaming service, not that they are unpopular.

Keep fighting the good fight, Blake.

What was the original argument? Srs question I don't know which argument you're referring to

[Reck]

So "if game" good now.

If Disney World starts being a liability I guess they'll shut that down too.

Post #26. Keep up.

[Blake]

Post #26. Keep up.

Thanks. Lemme look

[Reck]

What was the original argument? Srs question I don't know which argument you're referring to

Let's see, you're on a thread about Netflix, you start an argument that they are in desperation mode and I countered.

A page and a day later you're moving the goalpost from Netflix is desperate to Hulu is more popular than Amazon on who gives a shit Roku.

:lol

[Blake]

But you just said Disney+ will swallow Hulu in your previous post. :lol

The big loser from all of these giants coming up is most definitely Hulu. It's the less popular of them all to begin with. I also dont think Hulu would simply cease to exist. Rather as stipulated in my post, If we are playing who goes first it's them.

Is this your argument? I'm not arguing that Hulu isn't #3 of the Big 3.

And I just gave you two links showing huge growth, solid future and popularity for Hulu so I'm not sure how you think they're the future loser other than personal anecdote.

Is that it? I'm still not sure what your exact argument really is here.

[Reck]

Is this your argument? I'm not arguing that Hulu isn't #3 of the Big 3.

And I just gave you two links showing huge growth, solid future and popularity for Hulu so I'm not sure how you think they're the future loser other than personal anecdote.

Is that it? I'm still not sure what your exact argument really is here.

Blake, if it comes down to Netflix, Amazon or Hulu, who is the most likely to fold if it came to that?

Literally my stance from the ensuing discussion from the start.

I already stated Hulu would be the loser in that exchange. You posted a link saying Hulu is the preferred app on Roku. Wow ground breaking stuff. It's really too bad there are more than one device and platform you can have the app in.

Your argument: Netflix is desperate
My arguement: Blake, please explain how they are desperate and how are these other companies are "passing Netflix by"

Never heard from you about that. But hey Hulu just took Amazon's spot on Roku. :tu

[Capt Bringdown]

Netflix = boring

Netflix is losing beloved shows, subscribers, and confidence - - > (https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/18/20699037/netflix-earnings-report-q2-streaming-wars-disney-apple-warnermedia-international)

Netflix Is Losing U.S. Subscribers for the First Time in Eight Years - - > (https://www.slashfilm.com/netflix-lost-a-huge-number-of-customers-but-it-wont-resort-to-putting-ads-on-the-streaming-service/)

Netflix’s Dominance In U.S. Wanes As Hulu, Amazon Gain Subscribers - - > (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danafeldman/2019/08/21/netflix-is-expected-to-lose-us-share-as-rivals-gain/#7458963166d6)

[Blake]

Blake, if it comes down to Netflix, Amazon or Hulu, who is the most likely to fold if it came to that?

Literally my stance from the ensuing discussion from the start.

I already stated Hulu would be the loser in that exchange. You posted a link saying Hulu is the preferred app on Roku. Wow ground breaking stuff. It's really too bad there are more than one device and platform you can have the app in.

Your argument: Netflix is desperate
My arguement: Blake, please explain how they are desperate and how are these other companies are "passing Netflix by"

Never heard from you about that. But hey Hulu just took Amazon's spot on Roku. :tu

K, well I think Netflix is the future loser. I know it's definitely not Hulu thanks to the backing of Disney. I also know it's not Amazon because their platform is so flexible and they've made great partners.

Lol your argument is asking for an explanation of my argument.

There's a lot of easy to Google info on issues facing Netflix here in the near future but off the top of my head, I'll try to summarize.

- i think in 7-8 years if they continue down this same path, they'll be stuck in a freefall.

- when I say Netflix is starting to find themselves on an island, i mean all the networks/production companies that were their good friends before in selling them prime content are now going to be their competitors. Very soon.
Netflix has very much relied on this content that is getting pulled. That's why I think they went desperation mode and felt forced to pay out the ass for Seinfeld.

- their new subscriber numbers are slowly/steadily dropping with no sign of any rapid increase

- them coming up with original content was innovative at the time but now it's nothing new. Now all these streaming services are in bidding wars for writers like the Game of Thrones dudes and JJ Abrams.

- they're spending a shit load on making new films but for what? They won't be distributed in theaters so they're obviously hoping to add subscribers.

I'll go anecdoting here and say I don't know anyone that is adding Netflix because of their original made Netflix movies. Do you?

- if the current trend continues and Netflix isn't adding enough new subscribers then how do they pay off the billions in debt they've been borrowing to pay for all this original content plus having to pay $500 million for big rerun shows like Seinfeld?

I can only think of two ways: raise rates and/or turn to advertising. Maybe they start with banners like ST here. Dunno.

Whatever the case, I don't see their current formula working for the long haul. Amazon and Hulu do what they do but with more options which is what I mean when I say they've passed up Netflix [in that regard].

[Blake]

Fwiw, Hulu's so much more user friendly now than it was even 6 months ago.

The sports package with the live TV is really good, imo. The only thing I've had problems is watching the Astros every game because ATT got em....but meh, I can live without that.

The first losers in all this unless they do something drastic is the cable companies, tbh. I don't see any reason to ever go back to UVerse

[Reck]

Nice backtrack, eh.

Going from Netflix is over, doom, gloom, desperate to broad terms like ..in the future..if they continue in this path blah blah.

Whatever happened to your overblown confidence?

They literally just took Seinfeld from Hulu while keeping other companies from even offering a price for it.

When you talk about Netflix relience, you have no idea what you're talking about. Netflix relies on their own original content. They have never truly relied on third party shows or movies. I mean most of their movies are passable to trash.

They're prevelant for their in house TV shows like House of Cards, Orange is the new black, Stranger Things and the Marvel shows etc.


- their new subscriber numbers are slowly/steadily dropping with no sign of any rapid increase

Clearly did not read the links Capt bringdown posted in liue for a false win so let me reiterate


Netflix is currently the most popular subscription OTT service in the U.S. with 158.8 million viewers this year and it's projected to grow to 177.5 million by 2023. Despite missing subscriber growth expectations in Q2, eMarketer projects Netflix to experience strong growth for the remainder of the year, up 7.6% from 2018.

One of his articles (Reccomend you read the third one) even goes to say is not that they are losing subscriber to those others, rather the saturation of all of them combine.

The numbers are the numbers and they say they're healthy.

All you had to say is you really dislike Netflix and this back and forth would have been over a long time ago. I'm afraid you'll hit old age before Netflix goes BOOM.

I reccomend not holding your breath.

[Spurtacular]

I always laugh when I see stuff like this.

Firstly, lol hyping a 30 year old show
Then pulling a but is in 3 years from now

I canceled my Netflix subscription about 2 weeks ago. Not sure where I'll go next if at all.

It's not about hype. Office set to leave in 2021. Certain segment of viewers want a replacement level show.

[Spurtacular]

ATT just spent billions on Big Bang Theory

https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-1838181809

Gonna have faith that the numbers work out.

Netflix has no qualms about spending an insane amount of money on Friends. HBO getting exclusive Big Bang gonna bring a ton of viewers, tbh.

[Blake]

Nice backtrack, eh.

Going from Netflix is over, doom, gloom, desperate to broad terms like ..in the future..if they continue in this path blah blah.

Whatever happened to your overblown confidence?

I don't recall saying Netflix is over. I think they're in trouble though.

The bet is still on the table as to you thinking Hulu will be the first one to go under. I'm still giving you 100-1 odds.


They literally just took Seinfeld from Hulu while keeping other companies from even offering a price for it.


Yeah that reeks of desperation to me. If it doesn't to you then neato.


When you talk about Netflix relience, you have no idea what you're talking about. Netflix relies on their own original content. They have nevertruly relied on third party shows or movies. I mean most of their movies are passable to trash.

The bolded part is ridiculously false.


They're prevelant for their in house TV shows like House of Cards, Orange is the new black, Stranger Things and the Marvel shows etc.

House of cards is done. Orange is done. Marvel is going going gone. But yeah I guess they still have Stranger Things for a few more years.

Amazon and Hulu also have original programming.

I think if people start getting price forced to start getting more selective about which they keep and which they drop, I think Netflix gets the drop.

Again, the bet has never left the table.



Clearly did not read the links Capt bringdown posted in liue for a false win so let me reiterate



One of his articles (Reccomend you read the third one) even goes to say is not that they are losing subscriber to those others, rather the saturation of all of them combine.

The numbers are the numbers and they say they're healthy.

All you had to say is you really dislike Netflix and this back and forth would have been over a long time ago. I'm afraid you'll hit old age before Netflix goes BOOM.

I reccomend not holding your breath.

I've read plenty of market analysts reports saying Netflix is projected to be very strong for the next few years. I can see it.

But after Disney+ kicks in and gets firmly entrenched is when it's going to get interesting. I just don't see how Netflix maintains position while using the same business plan.

Maybe I'll be old when Netflix goes belly up, maybe not. There's a lot of troubling signs ahead for them that I don't see them really addressing.

I don't hate Netflix. I just like talking about their business strategy. I also like the back and forth. If you don't like it, you could have ejected the thread a long time ago.

[SpursforSix]

Man...I must grossly underestimate the impact of adding these sitcoms to a service. If I didn't have Netflix, I can't imagine liking Friends enough for that to make a difference. Is the hope that someone signs up and likes Netflix enough to not cancel after they've finished the series?

[Blake]

Man...I must grossly underestimate the impact of adding these sitcoms to a service. If I didn't have Netflix, I can't imagine liking Friends enough for that to make a difference. Is the hope that someone signs up and likes Netflix enough to not cancel after they've finished the series?

https://variety.com/2018/digital/news/netflix-original-series-licensed-viewing-friends-the-office-1203085230/

I have sit coms on for background noise a lot. I wonder how many people do the same

[Blake]

Parks and Rec leaving Netflix, Amazon and Hulu to go to the "Peacock"

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/parks-and-recreation-is-leaving-netflix-hulu-and-amazon-prime-heres-when-and-why.html/

[leemajors]

Parks and Rec leaving Netflix, Amazon and Hulu to go to the "Peacock"

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/parks-and-recreation-is-leaving-netflix-hulu-and-amazon-prime-heres-when-and-why.html/

I thought Community was a way better show, tbh.

[SpursforSix]

https://variety.com/2018/digital/news/netflix-original-series-licensed-viewing-friends-the-office-1203085230/

I have sit coms on for background noise a lot. I wonder how many people do the same

Maybe. IDK. I don't log on to Netflix and then select something to run as background noise. But maybe others do?

I think it's kind of foolish for Netflix to look at the success of Friends and then re-up for big money. Although I guess it's just for one year.
If someone that wants but doesn't already have Netflix, it's probably due to the cost. So if one of these people just has to watch Friends, seems like they'd cancel once it's done.

[Reck]

Maybe. IDK. I don't log on to Netflix and then select something to run as background noise. But maybe others do?

I think it's kind of foolish for Netflix to look at the success of Friends and then re-up for big money. Although I guess it's just for one year.
If someone that wants but doesn't already have Netflix, it's probably due to the cost. So if one of these people just has to watch Friends, seems like they'd cancel once it's done.

I do it all the time (or did). My favorite show to have on for whatever reason is Dexter and Spartacus.

Or put one of those serial killer shows while I browse the net.

[Blake]

Maybe. IDK. I don't log on to Netflix and then select something to run as background noise. But maybe others do?

I think it's kind of foolish for Netflix to look at the success of Friends and then re-up for big money. Although I guess it's just for one year.
If someone that wants but doesn't already have Netflix, it's probably due to the cost. So if one of these people just has to watch Friends, seems like they'd cancel once it's done.

Friends headed to HBO Max

https://people.com/tv/seinfeld-heads-to-netflix-as-friends-and-the-office-prepare-to-leave-for-new-streaming-platform/

[Blake]

I also like having a British guy nature documentary running to fall asleep to

[AaronY]

Lmao @ people bashing Seinfeld to be all edgy. Same people that like Always Sunny prolly which is literally which is literally a watered down Seinfeld clone with extra penis jokes

[AaronY]

Man...I must grossly underestimate the impact of adding these sitcoms to a service. If I didn't have Netflix, I can't imagine liking Friends enough for that to make a difference. Is the hope that someone signs up and likes Netflix enough to not cancel after they've finished the series?
People need shows to watch when they just want to see 1 episode at a time which is why sitcoms and things like CSI do well. I can kind of understand it if I have a free half hour to hour I am not going to watch a random Breaking Bad or Sopranos as much as I love those shows. but I would watch a Seinfeld or an old Columbo since they have self contained stories with a beginning and an ending and I don't get dragged into an ongoing story!I've with a cliffhanger

[Chucho]

LOL, Sunny and Seinfeld aren't very comparable. There's the "group of insanely vain people" plot cornerstones, but that's about it. Different types of comedy completely. Both absolute all time greats.

[SpursforSix]

People need shows to watch when they just want to see 1 episode at a time which is why sitcoms and things like CSI do well. I can kind of understand it if I have a free half hour to hour I am not going to watch a random Breaking Bad or Sopranos as much as I love those shows. but I would watch a Seinfeld or an old Columbo since they have self contained stories with a beginning and an ending and I don't get dragged into an ongoing story!I've with a cliffhanger

Yeah...I guess I can see that. Especially if someone doesn't have a streaming live service. I have ATT TV now (nee DirecTV now). I'll usually just look for the Office or Impractical Jokers that's running. But if I didn't have that, I guess I would catch a sitcom on Netflix or whatever.

[leemajors]

Lmao @ people bashing Seinfeld to be all edgy. Same people that like Always Sunny prolly which is literally which is literally a watered down Seinfeld clone with extra penis jokes

they ripped their title scene straight from trailer park boys.

[Chucho]

they ripped their title scene straight from trailer park boys.

The entire opening credits vignette is a rip-off of TPB. The stroll through the trailer park with piano accompaniment = the stroll through Philly with piano accompaniment.

[Pavlov]

Back to Netflix for a bit-- there are 67 "original" (some are truly original, some stuff just bought from other sources) Netflix movies and shows scheduled for October. I know of only a few and am interested in about two. That's about the same as I'd look forward to on any of the other services, so licensed stuff is still pretty important.

The Disney+ lineup I've seen is extremely high-quality family entertainment across the board, but you're never going to see R or TV-MA stuff on there. Hulu should be the place where things like FX/FXX and mature Marvel productions end up.

[leemajors]

I am enjoying Top Boy on Netflix. It's listed as season 1, but it is the third season of the show...

[Blake]

Back to Netflix for a bit-- there are 67 "original" (some are truly original, some stuff just bought from other sources) Netflix movies and shows scheduled for October. I know of only a few and am interested in about two. That's about the same as I'd look forward to on any of the other services, so licensed stuff is still pretty important.

The Disney+ lineup I've seen is extremely high-quality family entertainment across the board, but you're never going to see R or TV-MA stuff on there. Hulu should be the place where things like FX/FXX and mature Marvel productions end up.

That would make sense for Hulu. I wonder if they keep using Hulu for the live TV streams as well.

[Pavlov]

That would make sense for Hulu. I wonder if they keep using Hulu for the live TV streams as well.Good question. Live streaming is starting to resemble cable in its costs. Disney does own like half the channels in most packages so it shouldn't be impossible, but it will be interesting to see if Disney and other groups like AT&T start playing hardball with each other RE: in-house live streaming services.

[SpursforSix]

I am enjoying Top Boy on Netflix. It's listed as season 1, but it is the third season of the show...

I forgot about this show. I saw the first 2 seasons a while ago and it was very good.

You might also like Gomorrah. The series.

[AaronY]

LOL, Sunny and Seinfeld aren't very comparable. There's the "group of insanely vain people" plot cornerstones, but that's about it. Different types of comedy completely. Both absolute all time greats.


Nah the whole Larry David show template format is copied. Every episode. Google "Seinfeld on crack" everyone knows this.

[AaronY]

Yeah...I guess I can see that. Especially if someone doesn't have a streaming live service. I have ATT TV now (nee DirecTV now). I'll usually just look for the Office or Impractical Jokers that's running. But if I didn't have that, I guess I would catch a sitcom on Netflix or whatever.

I got my grandfather into Mad Men and I was over his house with my parents and they were all talking about how it and Breaking Bad were good soap operas. I was like "soap operas?" and it turns out in the old days all the primetime shows would never have a big ongoing storyline and only soap operas did. Dunno why I'm mentioning that but it's just interesting. Night time was like Rockford Files, Perry Mason, Columbo etc then daytime would be the looked down on shows with long season long arcs

[SpursforSix]

I got my grandfather into Mad Men and I was over his house with my parents and they were all talking about how it and Breaking Bad were good soap operas. I was like "soap operas?" and it turns out in the old days all the primetime shows would never have a big ongoing storyline and only soap operas did. Dunno why I'm mentioning that but it's just interesting. Night time was like Rockford Files, Perry Mason, Columbo etc then daytime would be the looked down on shows with long season long arcs

That is interesting. I wonder when that started to change. I didn't see it but Dallas is the earliest I can think of that I know has season long plots.

[Blake]

Huh. Yeah Dallas, Dynasty, Falcon Crust were all 80s.

[Chucho]

That is interesting. I wonder when that started to change. I didn't see it but Dallas is the earliest I can think of that I know has season long plots.

Studios that were putting their stuff into syndication after a show's first network run almost mandated that shows not have linear stories so episodes could be aired out of order. That's why you got a lot of "To Be Continued" that were as close to season-long story arcs. It's why King of the Hill had issues with Fox for so many seasons.

[SpursforSix]

Studios that were putting their stuff into syndication after a show's first network run almost mandated that shows not have linear stories so episodes could be aired out of order. That's why you got a lot of "To Be Continued" that were as close to season-long story arcs. It's why King of the Hill had issues with Fox for so many seasons.

Interesting. Good info. But why were they concerned about airing it out of order when they could just air it in order?

But it makes sense. Just from the standpoint of it not mattering if someone missed an episode.

Wonder if the VCR had some impact in networks being OK with long story arcs. Just looked it up and it corresponds with the time that Dallas first aired.

[Blake]

Studios that were putting their stuff into syndication after a show's first network run almost mandated that shows not have linear stories so episodes could be aired out of order. That's why you got a lot of "To Be Continued" that were as close to season-long story arcs. It's why King of the Hill had issues with Fox for so many seasons.

Huh I don't recall any reruns being aired out of order.

Even on TBS when you watch Seinfeld or King of Queens they seem to maintain episode order. I seem to recall the same thing with cheers and Jefferson reruns back in the day

[Chucho]

Huh I don't recall any reruns being aired out of order.

Even on TBS when you watch Seinfeld or King of Queens they seem to maintain episode order. I seem to recall the same thing with cheers and Jefferson reruns back in the day

Most didn't rerun them out of order, especially your national networks. But the hundreds and hundreds of local affiliates and independent stations that paid well for the syndication rights/license/fees could be getting their tapes in random order depending on who their distributor was, or when they started airing the reruns.

Nowadays it really doesn't matter, viewing habits and network distribution and airing platforms have all evolved.

[Reck]

Studios that were putting their stuff into syndication after a show's first network run almost mandated that shows not have linear stories so episodes could be aired out of order. That's why you got a lot of "To Be Continued" that were as close to season-long story arcs. It's why King of the Hill had issues with Fox for so many seasons.

This really fucked up and became one of the reasons why Firefly couldn't get any traction. They aired episodes out of order and so for any new watcher it would have been dizzying to follow what was even going on.

When you look back at the cancelation, pretty amazing that even such stout cast of characters couldn't even help it limp to the finish line. But mostly I blame Fox for their lack of vision.

Whedon was truly the man of TV in the late 90s to mid 00s. Buffy and Angel was my shit back in the day.

[Chucho]

This really fucked up and became one of the reasons why Firefly couldn't get any traction. They aired episodes out of order and so for any new watcher it would have been dizzying to follow what was even going on.

When you look back at the cancelation, pretty amazing that even such stout cast of characters couldn't even help it limp to the finish line. But mostly I blame Fox for their lack of vision.

Whedon was truly the man of TV in the late 90s to mid 00s. Buffy and Angel was my shit back in the day.


It's really different today than back then. There aren't as many small, local networks hungry for programming and filling air time today as live analog TV is no longer the only platform to view .

[Xevious]

This really fucked up and became one of the reasons why Firefly couldn't get any traction. They aired episodes out of order and so for any new watcher it would have been dizzying to follow what was even going on.

When you look back at the cancelation, pretty amazing that even such stout cast of characters couldn't even help it limp to the finish line. But mostly I blame Fox for their lack of vision.

Whedon was truly the man of TV in the late 90s to mid 00s. Buffy and Angel was my shit back in the day.
Network TV was just the wrong place for a show like that at the time. Wait a few years and a smaller cable network or a streaming service of today would eaten that shit up. And iirc, Fox was very uncooperative in letting go of the television rights, which is why Whedon went the movie route (which fucking paled in comparison to the tv show).

[Xevious]

That is interesting. I wonder when that started to change. I didn't see it but Dallas is the earliest I can think of that I know has season long plots.
Deep Space Nine started having season long, and even series long storylines (mostly with the Dominion war) in the 90s. Being a Trek fan all through The Next Generation's run and watching the original series in reruns... that shit blew me away. I knew (or at least hoped) that this was the future of television.

[Blake]

"....What a difference the past two months made for Netflix.

It was just early July when the streaming video giant's stock was flirting with new record highs. Now after an unexpected loss of subscribers and increased competition in the streaming war, shares of Netflix erased all of its 46% gain for the year at its peak and officially entered negative territory on Monday..."

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/23/netflix-goes-negative-for-the-year-giving-up-a-46percent-gain.html

Many analysts are still very bullish on the stock. I still don't get it.

[DC23]

"....What a difference the past two months made for Netflix.

It was just early July when the streaming video giant's stock was flirting with new record highs. Now after an unexpected loss of subscribers and increased competition in the streaming war, shares of Netflix erased all of its 46% gain for the year at its peak and officially entered negative territory on Monday..."

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/23/netflix-goes-negative-for-the-year-giving-up-a-46percent-gain.html

Many analysts are still very bullish on the stock. I still don't get it.

I've go a buy order at $255 to establish a small position.. I think there is significant near term upside in the ballpark of 10-15%. It's oversold.

[Blake]

I've go a buy order at $255 to establish a small position.. I think there is significant near term upside in the ballpark of 10-15%. It's oversold.

You just might get it

[DC23]

You just might get it
Maybe. Still a ways to go. Watching closely. Roku stock has been getting beat up too (but not a company I would invest in), for the same reasons re: low subscriber growth. There is so much competition and needs to be consolidation.

[Blake]

I agree about the consolidation and it's funny you mention Roku. I think acquiring Roku would give Netflix the boost it would need, at least in the interim.

[Pavlov]

Maybe. Still a ways to go. Watching closely. Roku stock has been getting beat up too (but not a company I would invest in), for the same reasons re: low subscriber growth. There is so much competition and needs to be consolidation.What service from Roku requires a subscription?

If you own their hardware, you're signed up for their channels. Whether you watch them is a different question.

[DC23]

You just might get it
Got in. Adding to position at $250.