View Full Version : Official Gardner Minshew > Kyler Murray thread
phxspurfan
09-22-2019, 12:41 AM
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Blake
09-22-2019, 12:58 AM
I love that Minshew played for the Pirate. I love the stache.
But no, I think Murray lasts a lot longer that Minshew.
RGMCSE
09-22-2019, 01:49 AM
Minshew is an international star!!
https://streamable.com/wj7sp?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name =iossmf
Raven
09-22-2019, 05:44 AM
he seems like a nice player but foles was top tier
Millennial_Messiah
09-22-2019, 06:56 AM
he seems like a nice player but foles was top tier
Foles was third tier. Minshew is a career backup at best.
RGMCSE
09-22-2019, 09:01 AM
he seems like a nice player but foles was top tier
were just happy to have someone to root for. Minshew is a pleasant surprised in what we thought would be a lost season when Foles went down. I like Foles a lot and I think when he’s healthy he takes the team back. But Minshew is fun to watch and you can’t help but notice his accuracy. That accuracy is really something Jags fans have not seen. He’s throwing receivers open and his placement and timing are above average. He went from getting sacked 3 times in Houston to zero sacks vs Tennessee. By the way his pocket presence improved when the game was on the line in Houston. Minshew has something that we haven’t seen as Jags fans. We know shitty quarterbacks. Minshew is a prospect. He has to work on his short bubble passes but other than I really don’t have any complaints about a 6th round rookie.
Holden_Caulfield
09-22-2019, 11:13 AM
Minshew > Baker
RGMCSE
09-22-2019, 01:35 PM
Minshew > Baker
Baker has the arm but he may not have that savvy moxie that the stache has. Minshew absolutely has a presence and reads the field and defense well. If Minshew had the wr talent baker has that would be something.
phxspurfan
09-22-2019, 03:28 PM
If Minshew had the wr talent baker has that would be something.
Thats the one problem. I see your shitty receivers dropping a lot of catchable balls from him. Only Chark is worth keeping IMO. You also need a reliable TE
Holden_Caulfield
09-22-2019, 05:35 PM
Thats the one problem. I see your shitty receivers dropping a lot of catchable balls from him. Only Chark is worth keeping IMO. You also need a reliable TE
We have 3rd round rookie TE Josh Oliver nursing his labia. Should be ready in a week or two.
RGMCSE
09-22-2019, 07:31 PM
We have 3rd round rookie TE Josh Oliver nursing his labia. Should be ready in a week or two.
Mother fucker played like one practice and popped his hammy or some shit. Apparently he’s a beast ball catching TE.
RGMCSE
09-22-2019, 07:33 PM
Thats the one problem. I see your shitty receivers dropping a lot of catchable balls from him. Only Chark is worth keeping IMO. You also need a reliable TE
Cant even argue with you so Westbrook has underperformed and there no damn reason to be dropping wide open td passes. It’s not like it was one of Bortles wobbly duck passes.
Millennial_Messiah
09-22-2019, 07:39 PM
6th round talent tbh. Though Mariota sucks too
Holden_Caulfield
09-30-2019, 11:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtKXrI6LqBY
the play at 1:53 is ridiculous. bortles wouldved been sacked fumbled and intercepted.
johnsmith
09-30-2019, 12:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtKXrI6LqBY
the play at 1:53 is ridiculous. bortles wouldved been sacked fumbled and intercepted.
He held up and performed when they needed him too....the Broncos are fucking terrible, but he did what he was supposed to do and got the win....I’m a fan of his as soon as the sting of another nail biter loss wears off.
Millennial_Messiah
09-30-2019, 12:51 PM
they played _enver
RGMCSE
09-30-2019, 10:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtKXrI6LqBY
the play at 1:53 is ridiculous. bortles wouldved been sacked fumbled and intercepted.
Not only did he make his second 4th quarter comeback he carries the team and balled out even after getting hit repeatedly. He’s a gamer. To be honest he’s way better than dak Prescott.
Blake
10-01-2019, 06:12 PM
Not only did he make his second 4th quarter comeback he carries the team and balled out even after getting hit repeatedly. He’s a gamer. To be honest he’s way better than dak Prescott.
Lol "way better than dak"
Cmon now
RGMCSE
10-01-2019, 09:22 PM
Lol "way better than dak"
Cmon now
Minshews td to int ratio is equal to Brady so yeah he’s way better than dak.
Blake
10-01-2019, 09:29 PM
Minshews td to int ratio is equal to Brady so yeah he’s way better than dak.
Sure dude. Be sure you come back when Minshew has Ryan Fitzpatricked his way back to holding a clipboard.
RGMCSE
10-01-2019, 09:30 PM
Sure dude. Be sure you come back when Minshew has Ryan Fitzpatricked his way back to holding a clipboard.
Why the hate? You no lika the mustache?
Blake
10-01-2019, 10:14 PM
Why the hate? You no lika the mustache?
I love Minshew. Be real tho.
RGMCSE
10-01-2019, 10:47 PM
I love Minshew. Be real tho.
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Millennial_Messiah
10-02-2019, 12:26 PM
Lol "way better than dak"
Cmon now
not a hard standard to beat tbh... you're talking about a guy who couldn't get 40 yards in well over a minute when all his team needed was a FG to win the game.
Millennial_Messiah
10-02-2019, 12:27 PM
https://imagez.tmz.com/image/65/4by3/2019/09/20/650e8d07d37f4f11a6a142d31b20594b_md.jpg
If I had to guess, probably one of Avante's grandsons he doesn't know about
Blake
10-02-2019, 12:51 PM
not a hard standard to beat tbh... you're talking about a guy who couldn't get 40 yards in well over a minute when all his team needed was a FG to win the game.
Cool when did Minshew do that against the Saints?
RGMCSE
10-02-2019, 01:43 PM
Cool when did Minshew do that against the Saints?
He will get his chance later this year. It’l be interesting to see. But first Carolina this week and there ranked 4th overall I think. It’s a big test for the rook.
Blake
10-02-2019, 02:31 PM
But he's better than dak tho. He should be fine
RGMCSE
10-02-2019, 03:13 PM
But he's better than dak tho. He should be fine
Dude that’s really high praise! That’s cool man I’m glad you have so much faith and admiration for the stache!
Trainwreck2100
10-02-2019, 03:34 PM
Dude that’s really high praise! That’s cool man I’m glad you have so much faith and admiration for the stache!
Brah minshew>>>>dak, not even close.
Millennial_Messiah
10-02-2019, 05:49 PM
Brah minshew>>>>dak, not even close.
Doesn't take much to beat 4th round comp pick talent
phxspurfan
10-03-2019, 11:26 AM
But he's better than dak tho. He should be fine
Enough with this Dak. Dak is a (much) less athletic Cam Newton. Can run a little, pass a little, better than your basic game manager but not elite by any stretch, and not talented enough to win a game by himself.
Blake
10-03-2019, 12:35 PM
Enough with this Dak. Dak is a (much) less athletic Cam Newton. Can run a little, pass a little, better than your basic game manager but not elite by any stretch, and not talented enough to win a game by himself.
Neat. Now do Minshew
phxspurfan
10-03-2019, 01:52 PM
Neat. Now do Minshew
Grocery store bagger who got bit by a spider and now has super powers
phxspurfan
10-03-2019, 01:54 PM
And to continue the original competition in this thread, Kyler Murray is the black Dustin PEDroia trying to play football. Sooner or later (Sooner, get it ha) he’s gonna get fucked up by one of these defensive ends and go back to baseball or be the gadget player we know he is
Blake
10-03-2019, 02:35 PM
Grocery store bagger who got bit by a spider and now has super powers
Pretty much my thoughts.
KobesAchilles
10-03-2019, 09:08 PM
Dak is a great comparison tbh. Late rounder who isn’t asked to carry an offense and has an elite running game with a better than average defense. You can stay in a lot of games as long as he doesn’t turn the ball over, which Minshew doesn’t.
I don’t know how much better he will become but Jared Gofful just got paid 110 mil guaranteed so anything can happen tbh
RGMCSE
10-04-2019, 06:07 PM
This kid is stacking up the ROTW awards!
http://www.nfl.com/voting/rookies/2019/REG/4
benefactor
10-04-2019, 07:34 PM
Uncle Rico is legit tbh
Bill_Brasky
10-05-2019, 08:36 AM
Minshew 3 good games = franchise QB
Daniel Jones beats the Succs and Redskins = next Tom Brady
Dak 3 good years and 2 playoff appearances = jury still out, he's not that great, needs Zeke to win, etc etc
http://giphygifs.s3.amazonaws.com/media/TlK63ERYSGQsdqG04uc/giphy.gif
RGMCSE
10-05-2019, 11:05 AM
Minshew 3 good games = franchise QB
Daniel Jones beats the Succs and Redskins = next Tom Brady
Dak 3 good years and 2 playoff appearances = jury still out, he's not that great, needs Zeke to win, etc etc
http://giphygifs.s3.amazonaws.com/media/TlK63ERYSGQsdqG04uc/giphy.gif
dont be all butt hurt because the cowgirls aren’t being sucked off at every turn. Geez cowboy fans are so sensitive. Let my low life losing team have it’s 15 fucking minutes damn. 😂
DarrinS
10-06-2019, 07:09 PM
I'm rooting for Minshew. Always liked an underdog story.
Too many turnovers today, unfortunately.
RGMCSE
10-07-2019, 10:31 AM
I'm rooting for Minshew. Always liked an underdog story.
Too many turnovers today, unfortunately.
Yeah he gave the game away with the fumbles but at the same time almost brought them back. He needs to clean up the fumbles but I think that is fixable. Unlike Blake Bortles pick six problem and his non defense reading ass. Minshew looks like a legit passer.
phxspurfan
10-07-2019, 10:01 PM
Yeah he gave the game away with the fumbles but at the same time almost brought them back. He needs to clean up the fumbles but I think that is fixable. Unlike Blake Bortles pick six problem and his non defense reading ass. Minshew looks like a legit passer.
Jags still can’t protect him at all. Need an o line. Remember how Foles got hurt, total protection breakdown
Bill_Brasky
10-07-2019, 10:36 PM
dont be all butt hurt because the cowgirls aren’t being sucked off at every turn. Geez cowboy fans are so sensitive. Let my low life losing team have it’s 15 fucking minutes damn. 😂
It's not about taking away your happy fun time bro, it's about pointing out double standards.
Millennial_Messiah
10-12-2019, 11:30 AM
Minshew is one of those guys who will have come out of nowhere to being a solid NFL career backup. Which is fine when you look at guys like Connor Cook who were recently drafted high and already out of the league for good :lol
Blake
10-14-2019, 02:41 AM
Got pretty quiet in this thread
phxspurfan
10-19-2019, 02:10 PM
Jags O line sucks, and they're a running team, unlike AZ which doesn't know wtf their identity is. Tbh they should be a running team too with David Johnson there, but they are so poorly coached they just let Kyler run around like a chicken
Millennial_Messiah
10-19-2019, 02:23 PM
Jags O line sucks, and they're a running team, unlike AZ which doesn't know wtf their identity is. Tbh they should be a running team too with David Johnson there, but they are so poorly coached they just let Kyler run around like a chicken
AZ's oline has been among the worst in the NFL for a long time now. It's a position they just neglect for some reason. That organization likes fast skill players and defense. Palmer's career, cut short by chronic injuries because he was never protected there and that ultra-vertical Arians offense didn't help.
I was never high on Minshew. He's 6th round talent and he'll have a solid NFL career as a backup, solid enough fill-in for injured starters. Jags definitely don't have their QB of the future, though. None of the Florida teams do.
Holden_Caulfield
10-27-2019, 07:54 PM
i swear if this team benches Minshew for Foles after the bye i will lose my shit
Millennial_Messiah
10-27-2019, 08:32 PM
i swear if this team benches Minshew for Foles after the bye i will lose my shit
Cut Foles and still pay him his salary so BDN can go back to the Eagles on the Jags' dime tbh.
Millennial_Messiah
10-27-2019, 08:33 PM
then again, anyone can beat the Jets, tbh...
(except Dak)
Millennial_Messiah
11-02-2019, 01:41 PM
another win for Team Minshew on Thursday. Murray is basically another Lamar Jackson
Raven
11-02-2019, 02:41 PM
really impressive how unskilled are todays qbs.
Blake
11-02-2019, 03:38 PM
really impressive how unskilled are todays qbs.
Yeah with all these 300 yard passing games being tossed around and records being smashed, just imagine if these guys actually had any skill
spurraider21
11-03-2019, 02:12 PM
spurstalk with the impulsive bads per par
RGMCSE
11-09-2019, 12:48 PM
spurstalk with the impulsive bads per par
nah this kid just proved he could play qb with a crap oline and inconsistent running game and absolutely no tight end. Fix all that shit and this kid will be a star. Time to let Foles earn his contract and let the kid take in more film study.
spurraider21
11-09-2019, 01:33 PM
nah this kid just proved he could play qb with a crap oline and inconsistent running game and absolutely no tight end. Fix all that shit and this kid will be a star. Time to let Foles earn his contract and let the kid take in more film study.
You’re as impulsive as any. How many times did you flip flop on bortles
phxspurfan
11-09-2019, 11:47 PM
You’re as impulsive as any. How many times did you flip flop on bortles
Bortles was a raw old school statue like Wentz/Trubisky etc. Total coin flip. One end you get Trubisky (Captain Checkdown), the other end you get Wentz who is one injury away from losing all those physical advantages.
Minshew is a fuckin stud like Mahomes (not the same arm but can sling it with touch) who ran the same type of college offense Mahomes ran at Tech. He's the prototypical new era shootout QB. Unless you want to :monkey ball it and go Lamar Jackson/Dak/Cam Newton style
Minshew's ceiling is Favre/Brees and floor is Doug Flutie.
RGMCSE
11-11-2019, 04:48 PM
You’re as impulsive as any. How many times did you flip flop on bortles
I’m not sure where you got that from bro. I was against drafting him to begin with. He’s left handed but throws righty. You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. I applauded him when he cut down the turnovers and stayed within the offense in 2017 for the AFC champ run. But I always new bortles wasn’t a franchise qb. Dude couldn’t read defenses and lead his receivers open. He would constantly fuck up routine pass plays like a 5 yard slant by throwing behind the recover and getting it picked off. I was happy the Jags finally moved away from him and now have two capable accurate passers.
phxspurfan
12-08-2019, 07:16 PM
Add Duck Hodges to the list of random QBs better than the Chosen (little) 1
spurraider21
12-22-2019, 02:09 PM
:lol
Blake
12-22-2019, 08:53 PM
Minshew is a fuckin stud like Mahomes (not the same arm but can sling it with touch) who ran the same type of college offense Mahomes ran at Tech. He's the prototypical new era shootout QB. Unless you want to :monkey ball it and go Lamar Jackson/Dak/Cam Newton style
Minshew's ceiling is Favre/Brees and floor is Doug Flutie.
:lol
phxspurfan
12-22-2019, 09:04 PM
Jags o line sucks ass still. Put Minshew on the Chefs and he becomes White Mahomie, slingin it around like Wyatt Earp/Billy The Kid love child
Holden_Caulfield
01-06-2020, 01:28 PM
Minshew should be ROY but hes not even nominated. fuck the NFL.
phxspurfan
01-06-2020, 01:32 PM
https://fansided.com/2020/01/03/nfl-2019-rookie-of-the-year-vote/
Wow, Kyler Murray wtf that dude was hot garbage
Holden_Caulfield
01-06-2020, 01:40 PM
https://fansided.com/2020/01/03/nfl-2019-rookie-of-the-year-vote/
Wow, Kyler Murray wtf that dude was hot garbage
Minshew: 12 games started, 3,271 passing yards, 60.6% completion percentage (285-of-470), 21 touchdowns, six interceptions, 91.2 rating. record as starter 6-6
Murray: 16 games started, 3,722 passing yards, 64.4% completion percentage (349-of-542), 20 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, 87.4 rating. record as starter 5-10-1
spurraider21
01-06-2020, 02:49 PM
should be josh jacobs but short memory would favor AJ Brown
phxspurfan
01-06-2020, 02:53 PM
should be josh jacobs but short memory would favor AJ Brown
Or Nick Bosa
spurraider21
01-06-2020, 03:21 PM
Or Nick Bosa
theres offensive and defensive rookie of the year
phxspurfan
01-06-2020, 03:26 PM
theres offensive and defensive rookie of the year
Then Winshew and Bosa
spurraider21
01-06-2020, 03:29 PM
Then Winshew and Bosa
:lol dudes trash
:lol dudes trash
I wouldn’t say trash. Very mediocre is probably more accurate. Low tier starter/top tier backup is where he falls imo
phxspurfan
01-06-2020, 03:56 PM
I wouldn’t say trash. Very mediocre is probably more accurate. Low tier starter/top tier backup is where he falls imo
Better arm than Lamar Jackson
More accurate than Josh Allen
More competitive than Kirk Cousins
Better college numbers than pretty much all of the playoff starters sans Watson, Mahomes
Most better starters were random finds. Look at Tannehill for instance. Doing decently, random dude. All of the big name school QBs tend to suck ass in NFL (Mayfield, Josh Rosen, etc). Tua, if he comes out, will suck, just like other big names Mariota, Joey Harrington, etc. only one I can think of that is decent from a big name school is Stafford
spurraider21
01-06-2020, 04:05 PM
high end backup/low end starter like fitzpatrick, mccown, keenum, matt moore
spurraider21
01-06-2020, 04:18 PM
Better arm than Lamar Jackson
where do you get this from?
More accurate than Josh Allen
that describes about 90% of NFL starters
More competitive than Kirk Cousins
incredibly vague/subjective tbh
Better college numbers than pretty much all of the playoff starters sans Watson, Mahomes
hello colt brennan
Most better starters were random finds. Look at Tannehill for instance. Doing decently, random dude. All of the big name school QBs tend to suck ass in NFL (Mayfield, Josh Rosen, etc). Tua, if he comes out, will suck, just like other big names Mariota, Joey Harrington, etc. only one I can think of that is decent from a big name school is Stafford
tannehill was a first round pick because he was productive while still being incredibly raw (had only started 19 games at QB in college after changing positions)... he had good mobility, size, solid arm/accuracy and was seen to have a lot of room to grow given his lack of experience.
spurraider21
01-06-2020, 04:20 PM
its retarded to pool together comps like that... what's next?
stronger arm than brees
more mobile than brady
better teammate than rodgers
more durable than wentz
more accurate than cam
spurraider21
01-06-2020, 04:22 PM
i dont see how minshew is much different than fitzpatrick tbh
thats not a bad thing, but no team should look at him and think "oh yeah we've got our guy going forward"... i think he's a high end backup given his aggressive mentality and ability to escape pressure
phxspurfan
01-06-2020, 05:46 PM
i dont see how minshew is much different than fitzpatrick tbh
thats not a bad thing, but no team should look at him and think "oh yeah we've got our guy going forward"... i think he's a high end backup given his aggressive mentality and ability to escape pressure
Fitzypat is very different. He's a 5 star backup who doesn't last long because he gets figured out and is easy to exploit due to his ill advised throws downfield/over the middle (like Jameis Winston). He's like a flamethrower pitcher in baseball who's good the first few innings but then gets crushed when hitters figure him out. Guys usually rally behind Fitzy because he comes in after shitty game manager/silver spooner 1st string QBs shit the bed, but that doesn't change who he is, a break glass only in emergencies QB. Minshew is also smaller than Fitzy I believe, and more mobile/less of a pure pocket passer. Fitzy is an old school statue by comparison.
Clipper Nation
01-06-2020, 06:32 PM
Better arm than Lamar Jackson
More accurate than Josh Allen
More competitive than Kirk Cousins
Better college numbers than pretty much all of the playoff starters sans Watson, Mahomes
Most better starters were random finds. Look at Tannehill for instance. Doing decently, random dude. All of the big name school QBs tend to suck ass in NFL (Mayfield, Josh Rosen, etc). Tua, if he comes out, will suck, just like other big names Mariota, Joey Harrington, etc. only one I can think of that is decent from a big name school is Stafford
Minshew is truly the Roddy Beaubois of NFL QBs.
phxspurfan
09-20-2020, 02:34 PM
Winshew
spurraider21
09-20-2020, 05:34 PM
:lmao
DAF86
09-20-2020, 06:17 PM
Minshew played well today, tbh. His first int went off the hands of his receiver and the second one was thrown in desperation mode at the end of the game. He had some very impressive throws on this game. Loss definitely not on him, imho.
phxspurfan
09-20-2020, 07:15 PM
Dude he's a beast in the making. The L is def not on him. He was finding his guys all day.
spurraider21
09-20-2020, 07:58 PM
minshew is fine. i still think he's either a low end starter or a high end backup, but he does have potential to be a little more than that, jeff garcia-esque
but kyler is on a different level, hence this thread being dumb
KobesAchilles
09-20-2020, 09:11 PM
Where’s all the Kliff Kingsbury hate now? Nary a peep from the mainstream media about how well he’s coaching, but they had no problem shitting on him the entire offseason he got there
Holden_Caulfield
09-21-2020, 12:44 PM
kyler taking a slight lead due to him being electric on an open field. also helps to have Nuk. Arizona looks good and in a probably the best division in the NFL. Jags dont seem to be a pushover and will definitely battle for a playoff spot since their upcoming schedule is pretty soft. next 6 weeks are MIA, Cincy, Houston, Detroit, Chargers then Houston again. All winnable games and could go 4-2 or maybe even 5-1. back end of the schedule is brutal they have Packers, Steelers, Titans, Vikings (lol) and Ravens. theyll most likely miss the playoffs at 6-10 or 7-9. but the homer in me thinks theyll go 10-6 and get the first ever #7 seed lol
phxspurfan
09-21-2020, 01:20 PM
Where’s all the Kliff Kingsbury hate now? Nary a peep from the mainstream media about how well he’s coaching, but they had no problem shitting on him the entire offseason he got there
? Give Winshew DHops, Fitz, prime Kenyan Drake and that defense propping him up and he's 2-0 just as easily.
spurraider21
09-21-2020, 01:49 PM
:lmao "slight lead"
KobesAchilles
09-21-2020, 02:53 PM
? Give Winshew DHops, Fitz, prime Kenyan Drake and that defense propping him up and he's 2-0 just as easily.
I'm a huge fan of Gardner. I love him at Wazzu since I am a Leach fan. He just brings calm and a sense that the game is going to be ok when he's on the field. Not every QB has that trait. I rather have him than Jimmy G tbh.
But all the national media shit on Kliff and said he didn't deserve the job and now that he's 2-0 and beat the reigning NFC champs, they are very quiet on his lack of coaching ability. All the praise goes to D-Hop and Kyler, and they deserve it, but you never hear Kliff's name is my point.
phxspurfan
09-21-2020, 04:15 PM
I'm a huge fan of Gardner. I love him at Wazzu since I am a Leach fan. He just brings calm and a sense that the game is going to be ok when he's on the field. Not every QB has that trait. I rather have him than Jimmy G tbh.
But all the national media shit on Kliff and said he didn't deserve the job and now that he's 2-0 and beat the reigning NFC champs, they are very quiet on his lack of coaching ability. All the praise goes to D-Hop and Kyler, and they deserve it, but you never hear Kliff's name is my point.
D Hops, Kenyan Drake on offense, and Budda Baker on defense have put that team in contention. 49ers injuries definitely helps too. The HC just didnt fuck it up as all.
Millennial_Messiah
09-21-2020, 08:47 PM
This thread aged like bread.
Millennial_Messiah
09-24-2020, 02:52 PM
2-0 and rising. They play shitty Detroit on Sunday. :smokin
phxspurfan
09-24-2020, 07:58 PM
Winshew looking magical out there, despite Jags shit defense
spurraider21
09-24-2020, 11:31 PM
let it go
i swear these people are going to become the new Vince Young truthers
Millennial_Messiah
09-25-2020, 08:04 AM
let it go
i swear these people are going to become the new Vince Young truthers
6th round talent is 6th round talent for a reason... for every Brady there are a few dozen Minshews. Jags need to draft a QB or trade the farm for Prescott next spring.
This thread aged like bread.
Like bread, I said! :whine
Holden_Caulfield
09-28-2020, 12:03 PM
i thought kyler was gonna run away with it after minshews horrible game on tnf. gonna be a long season and minshew will come out on top by seasons end. hopefully, so we dont spend another high pick on a QB.
N0 LyF3 ScRuB
09-28-2020, 12:08 PM
i thought kyler was gonna run away with it after minshews horrible game on tnf. gonna be a long season and minshew will come out on top by seasons end. hopefully, so we dont spend another high pick on a QB.
Hold strong.
This reminds me of the famous Cam > Luck debate
N0 LyF3 ScRuB
09-28-2020, 12:10 PM
i thought kyler was gonna run away with it after minshews horrible game on tnf. gonna be a long season and minshew will come out on top by seasons end. hopefully, so we dont spend another high pick on a QB.
A lot of people don’t realize that Murray is in the Air Raid, stat pad offense. Murray is still ahead. Closer than ppl lead on
phxspurfan
09-28-2020, 04:35 PM
Kyler has a much better team. Much better in every way. Coaching, front office/ownership, more offensive weapons, probably better o-line, defense, special teams. It's understandable if Kyler comes out with more wins. It may end up being like the who's better, Dan Marino or some dude who got wins on a stacked team like Trent Dilfer, etc. Or in NBA parlance, who's better, Kenny Smith because he has 2 rings or Charles Barkley with his MVP, gold medal and 0 rings. One had a better team but the other was the better player
And before semantics people say it, no, I'm not comparing him to Dan Marino or saying he's the Charles Barkley of the NFL. Just using them as comparisons of guys on worse teams with more skills than guys who performed adequately on stacked teams.
Millennial_Messiah
09-28-2020, 04:56 PM
Kyler has a much better team. Much better in every way. Coaching, front office/ownership, more offensive weapons, probably better o-line, defense, special teams. It's understandable if Kyler comes out with more wins. It may end up being like the who's better, Dan Marino or some dude who got wins on a stacked team like Trent Dilfer, etc. Or in NBA parlance, who's better, Kenny Smith because he has 2 rings or Charles Barkley with his MVP, gold medal and 0 rings. One had a better team but the other was the better player
And before semantics people say it, no, I'm not comparing him to Dan Marino or saying he's the Charles Barkley of the NFL. Just using them as comparisons of guys on worse teams with more skills than guys who performed adequately on stacked teams.
Which leads me to believe. Maybe Detroit and Matt Patricia have something this year. Yes they started 0-2 but they were elite division rivals and they had double digit leads in both. There's a reason I always keep Stafford near the bottom of my top 10 QB rankings, but not lower. When he's healthy, he's one of the most talented throwers in the sport, raw-talent wise on par with Aaron Rodgers, and there's no substitute for sheer talent.
phxspurfan
09-28-2020, 05:14 PM
Which leads me to believe. Maybe Detroit and Matt Patricia have something this year. Yes they started 0-2 but they were elite division rivals and they had double digit leads in both. There's a reason I always keep Stafford near the bottom of my top 10 QB rankings, but not lower. When he's healthy, he's one of the most talented throwers in the sport, raw-talent wise on par with Aaron Rodgers, and there's no substitute for sheer talent.
Stafford's a beast. Would love for him to be on any of the teams I like (9ers, Cards, even the Boys). He's a gunslinger, tough, competitive, unafraid. Like a 2020 Favre
Blake
09-29-2020, 01:52 AM
i thought kyler was gonna run away with it after minshews horrible game on tnf. gonna be a long season and minshew will come out on top by seasons end. hopefully, so we dont spend another high pick on a QB.
:lol
Arcadian
10-01-2020, 02:54 PM
All I know is, I'm happy to have Murray on my fantasy team. Especially considering rushing TDs are worth more than passing TDs.
phxspurfan
10-01-2020, 11:30 PM
All I know is, I'm happy to have Murray on my fantasy team. Especially considering rushing TDs are worth more than passing TDs.
This is part of the reason why people think Kyler is better. Because he gets good fantasy stats and rushing touchdowns. But as a leader and in general QB play, Minshew is superior. Especially if you consider the delta in teams they play for.
Arcadian
10-02-2020, 09:51 AM
This is part of the reason why people think Kyler is better. Because he gets good fantasy stats and rushing touchdowns. But as a leader and in general QB play, Minshew is superior. Especially if you consider the delta in teams they play for.
He's also 23 years old. Maybe give him a minute?
Blake
10-02-2020, 10:13 AM
This is part of the reason why people think Kyler is better. Because he gets good fantasy stats and rushing touchdowns. But as a leader and in general QB play, Minshew is superior. Especially if you consider the delta in teams they play for.
Be sure you come back here when Minshew finally gets benched
spurraider21
10-02-2020, 12:28 PM
Be sure you come back here when Minshew finally gets benched
tellin ya. vince young truthers 2.0
phxspurfan
10-04-2020, 05:50 PM
2-0 and rising. They play shitty Detroit on Sunday. :smokin
Whoops, Superstar Kyl:lolie now on a 2 game losing streak (at home vs. Detroit :rollin and today at Carolina who has no CMC and Teddy Pendergrass at QB :lol). 133 yard passing for the beloved 2nd baseman today. Meanwhile (even in a loss, where his defense gave up 33 to the fucking Bengals...
Gardner Minshew 27/40 351YDS 2TDs
the first week with a decent WR back
D.J. Chark 8/9 95YDS 2TD
versus 5'7" over-hyped RB with 3 weeks of DHops, today DHops:
DeAndre Hopkins 7/9 41YDS 0TD
spurraider21
10-04-2020, 10:13 PM
minshew loses to the bengals and he gets a hype post :lmao
Blake
10-06-2020, 12:02 AM
minshew loses to the bengals and he gets a hype post :lmao
MinshewVP
Blake
10-11-2020, 03:32 PM
Whoops, Superstar Kyl:lolie now on a 2 game losing streak (at home vs. Detroit :rollin and today at Carolina who has no CMC and Teddy Pendergrass at QB :lol). 133 yard passing for the beloved 2nd baseman today. Meanwhile (even in a loss, where his defense gave up 33 to the fucking Bengals...
Gardner Minshew 27/40 351YDS 2TDs
the first week with a decent WR back
D.J. Chark 8/9 95YDS 2TD
versus 5'7" over-hyped RB with 3 weeks of DHops, today DHops:
DeAndre Hopkins 7/9 41YDS 0TD
Where u at bruh
phxspurfan
10-11-2020, 03:37 PM
Where u at bruh
Winshew needs a new team tbh. That defense sucks so bad, and so does that O-line. He did his best
Blake
10-11-2020, 03:52 PM
Winshew needs a new team tbh. That defense sucks so bad, and so does that O-line. He did his best
:lol
spurraider21
10-11-2020, 03:59 PM
minshew truthers are just reincarnated vince young/tim tebow truthers tbh :lol
but dude will hang around like fitzpatrick/mccown. he's not terrible.
Blake
10-11-2020, 06:54 PM
Yah, he's another fitzmagic
spurraider21
10-25-2020, 07:21 AM
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Millennial_Messiah
10-25-2020, 09:23 AM
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For who, tbh? They're not getting Dak until next year, tbh.
Blake
10-25-2020, 03:11 PM
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I'm sorry this is happening to him.
Millennial_Messiah
10-25-2020, 03:41 PM
I'm sorry this is happening to him.
that's what you get when you're a 6th round pick/6th round talent tbh. Much shorter leash
Millennial_Messiah
10-25-2020, 06:26 PM
Minshew on 4th down throws to no one, ball game. :lmao Bench this 6th round talent clown already.
phxspurfan
10-25-2020, 08:26 PM
Good lord this dude Kylie sucks so much ass. Staked on the 1 by his defense and can’t put the ball in the end zone.
phxspurfan
10-25-2020, 08:41 PM
I'm sorry this is happening to him.
He’s not at all struggling. His fucking offensive captain is Chris Conley. Who he threw a dime to today for a touchdown. Chris fucking Conley. Not DHops, not Larry Fitzgerald, not even Andy Isabella (who is fast as fuck), Kenyan Drake (strong and fast)
Millennial_Messiah
10-25-2020, 11:40 PM
He’s not at all struggling. His fucking offensive captain is Chris Conley. Who he threw a dime to today for a touchdown. Chris fucking Conley. Not DHops, not Larry Fitzgerald, not even Andy Isabella (who is fast as fuck), Kenyan Drake (strong and fast)
5-2
1-6
record says it all
Murray is a fucking juggernaut, he's like Lamar Jackson with actual passing skills
Millennial_Messiah
10-25-2020, 11:41 PM
yeah Minshew tries, but he's not mobile like Murray, he can't take down the mighty Seahawks from the jaws of defeat, he loses to the shitass 1-5 chargers even when gift wrapped a punt return TD and another TD on special teams. Minshew is 6th round talent, Murray is #1 overall talent, sorry boys but it's true.
Blake
10-26-2020, 01:39 PM
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Arcadian
10-26-2020, 02:04 PM
Murray is awesome. He can throw accurate deep bombs in addition to being the fastest runner on the field. And he's the rank 1 fantasy player so far this season.
DAF86
10-26-2020, 02:40 PM
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He missed that throw though, right?
phxspurfan
10-26-2020, 06:02 PM
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Niners (or any team with an O-line, WRs and a RB) will take him gladly
Only player worth a crap on that offense is Chark tbh. And he's oft injured this year. 9ers will give y'alls a 5th rounder and Jimmy G for Chark and Winshew tbh
Blake
10-26-2020, 07:06 PM
He missed that throw though, right?
I don't even know. Either way it's funny, imo
Blake
10-26-2020, 07:08 PM
Murray is awesome. He can throw accurate deep bombs in addition to being the fastest runner on the field. And he's the rank 1 fantasy player so far this season.
The only thing I see lacking is some real zip on the ball. But if he's completing passes then I guess it doesn't matter too much.
Blake
11-11-2020, 03:31 AM
Be sure you come back here when Minshew finally gets benched
I didn't catch it, how did Winshew do this week?
Millennial_Messiah
11-12-2020, 11:06 AM
I pray the Jags win at least one more game and the Jets win two. Cowboys are losing out.
phxspurfan
11-12-2020, 02:54 PM
The only thing I see lacking is some real zip on the ball. But if he's completing passes then I guess it doesn't matter too much.
Murray targeted the best receiver in the league only 3 times for like 30 yards. And lost, all trying to get 100 yards rushing. As a QB.
Blake
11-12-2020, 04:28 PM
Murray targeted the best receiver in the league only 3 times for like 30 yards. And lost, all trying to get 100 yards rushing. As a QB.
If only they had Minshew instead
This thread aged horribly. Looks like OP is still in here trying to defend his shit take as well
spurraider21
11-15-2020, 09:17 PM
This thread aged horribly. Looks like OP is still in here trying to defend his shit take as well
minshew truthers are just modern day vince young truthers. nothing to see here
Arcadian
11-15-2020, 11:28 PM
Murray with the hail mary for the win!
Millennial_Messiah
11-16-2020, 09:13 AM
This thread aged horribly. Looks like OP is still in here trying to defend his shit take as well
Like Bread, I said!!!
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phxspurfan
11-16-2020, 03:02 PM
Like Bread, I said!!!
https://breadopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Why-Does-Homemade-Bread-Mold-Faster-Than-Store-Bought-large.jpg
He was garbage before that one miraculous play. Constantly calling his own number instead of hitting wide open receivers. Which I admit he isn't that bad of a runner but he isnt a RB, his job is to hit his playmakers with dimes. Not take off every play.
Btw any QB with an arm could have gotten it down there to have DHops catch with his size 16 gloves. Flacco could have dropped one in too.
This just reinforces that he has a world class receiver that he needs to throw the ball to more often than 3 times a game like last week.
spurraider21
11-16-2020, 03:40 PM
He was garbage before that one miraculous play. Constantly calling his own number instead of hitting wide open receivers. Which I admit he isn't that bad of a runner but he isnt a RB, his job is to hit his playmakers with dimes. Not take off every play.
Btw any QB with an arm could have gotten it down there to have DHops catch with his size 16 gloves. Flacco could have dropped one in too.
This just reinforces that he has a world class receiver that he needs to throw the ball to more often than 3 times a game like last week.
Flacco's not getting that throw off
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Millennial_Messiah
11-16-2020, 04:42 PM
Flacco's not getting that throw off
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I believe they have a division win against each team and now they're going to play Seattle in Seattle on TNF, if they win that that division is theirs to lose.
OP. What does it take for you to admit this prediction was shit and abort? I can just imagine Kyler winning mvp and leading the cardinals to the playoffs...
and your still in here...”If Minshew had the same talent around him he could do it”. While completely fucking ignoring reality
phxspurfan
11-16-2020, 07:10 PM
OP. What does it take for you to admit this prediction was shit and abort? I can just imagine Kyler winning mvp and leading the cardinals to the playoffs...
and your still in here...”If Minshew had the same talent around him he could do it”. While completely fucking ignoring reality
you're fake news!
Arcadian
11-18-2020, 02:57 PM
He's averaging over 30 fantasy points per game. :tu
Blake
11-18-2020, 05:34 PM
He's averaging over 30 fantasy points per game. :tu
If Winshew was with Arizona he'd be averaging 31
Millennial_Messiah
11-18-2020, 09:55 PM
If Winshew was with Arizona he'd be averaging 31
That statue..... behind that offensive line? :lmao :rollin :rollin :lmao
Millennial_Messiah
11-18-2020, 09:59 PM
Let's face it, if Murray wasn't a 4.27 40-time runner with a quick strike release and a little cannon arm, he would get his little ass killed behind that group of sieves in Arizona. Minshew at 4.97 would perish like a pork chop left in a hot barn for a few days.
Blake
11-19-2020, 12:29 AM
That statue..... behind that offensive line? :lmao :rollin :rollin :lmao
Did I really need to use blue font?
Did I really need to use blue font?
You realize who you are asking that question to right?
He is one of the posters on the board that is clearly on the spectrum
Millennial_Messiah
11-19-2020, 03:35 PM
You realize who you are asking that question to right?
He is one of the posters on the board that is clearly on the spectrum
Anyone who didn't vote for Joe Blowjobs is obviously on the "spectrum" to you libs.
Anyone who didn't vote for Joe Blowjobs is obviously on the "spectrum" to you libs.
You being on the spectrum has nothing to do with who you voted for :lol
Millennial_Messiah
11-19-2020, 03:51 PM
You being on the spectrum has nothing to do with who you voted for :lol
I'm not on the "spectrum", unless you count mild OCD.
Millennial_Messiah
11-27-2020, 03:23 PM
If Murray topples the Patriots in their house... then.... then what?! Tbh.
Blake
11-27-2020, 03:56 PM
If Murray topples the Patriots in their house... then.... then what?! Tbh.
The Patriots suck.
phxspurfan
11-27-2020, 09:08 PM
If Murray topples the Patriots in their house... then.... then what?! Tbh.
I'm seriously thinking of benching DHops this week (especially since Cooper just went off) so I don't have to watch fucking RB1 ignore the best receiver in the NFL for another 4 quarters and run head first into linebackers FTL
I'm seriously thinking of benching DHops this week (especially since Cooper just went off) so I don't have to watch fucking RB1 ignore the best receiver in the NFL for another 4 quarters and run head first into linebackers FTL
What a bitter faggot you are:lol
So obsessed with being right on a message board that you can’t appreciate the great season Kyler is having.
Blake
11-28-2020, 07:30 PM
I'm seriously thinking of benching DHops this week (especially since Cooper just went off) so I don't have to watch fucking RB1 ignore the best receiver in the NFL for another 4 quarters and run head first into linebackers FTL
Lol sure you are
phxspurfan
11-28-2020, 09:05 PM
Lol sure you are
Yeah true...he back in the starting lineup :spin
but I won't enjoy watching him get ignored for 3 quarters again
Blake
11-28-2020, 09:23 PM
Yeah true...he back in the starting lineup :spin
but I won't enjoy watching him get ignored for 3 quarters again
I haven't looked but I'm pretty sure he's top 3 in targets per game
DAF86
11-29-2020, 04:07 PM
I must say that Murray and the Cards are very overrated right now, tbh.
spurraider21
06-03-2021, 03:01 PM
LkrFan i think this question belongs on your racism quiz tbh :lol
LkrFan
06-03-2021, 05:24 PM
LkrFan i think this question belongs on your racism quiz tbh :lol
:lol
spurraider21
08-29-2021, 03:04 PM
:lmao minshew dumped to the eagles for a 6th
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