Bleacher Report's top 50 players of all time

[DAF86]

Tim at 7
David at 12
Manu at 37
Gervin at 45

Surprised they went with actual impact instead of raw stats, narratives and meaningless individual accomplishments. Pretty damn solid list.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2854727-bleacher-reports-all-time-player-rankings-nbas-top-50-revealed.amp.html


Sorry if already posted. I searched but didn't find anything.

[Bynumite]

Dirk completely eclipsing Manure by 20 spots as expected.

[Fusternino]

Robinson, Robertson and Curry all over Kobe? Bold take.

[GusT15]

When i read BR's list earlier and saw Manu at #37 and Tony Parker as an honorable mention i knew that this would be posted here.

:hungry: :lol:lol:lol:rollin:rollin:lmao:lmao

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/popcorn_2.gif

[Robz4000]

Switch Duncan and Shaq, boot Curry from the top 10 for Hakeem (and put him at 8) and the list looks fine.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

drob > hakeem :lol
shaq > duncan :cry

[Genovaswitness]

Lebron ahead of Duncan :lmao

lebron at number 2 :lmao


fuck I cant wait until leshit retires.

[DAF86]

Dirk completely eclipsing Manure by 20 spots as expected.

Westbrook, Nash, Kidd, McHale. A bunch of guys Manu could pretty damn well be in front of, but, hey, not gonna nitpick.

I liked this part in particular:


Believe it or not, a blind poll pitting the per-75-possession stats from Manu Ginobili's 10-year peak against the same for Kobe Bryant yielded a 54-46 win for the San Antonio Spurs' super sixth man.

[Thomas82]

I personally wouldn't have TD lower than 5.

[FkLA]

:lol Westbrook ahead of Manu

[Spurtacular]

Just another shitty list that puts AIDS and Dad Killer ahead of Legend.

[Spurtacular]

:lol Westbrook ahead of Manu

Even worse than the one I just said, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

I personally wouldn't have TD lower than 5.

[Leetonidas]

Lol. Bird has literally no argument to be over Magic or Jordan

[Spurtacular]

Lol. Bird has literally no argument to be over Magic or Jordan

How about 14 straight wins and 2 playoff sweeps over Jordan and not having to dick ride Lou Alcindor?

[Spurtacular]

:lmao Needle Dick @ #2

[AussieFanKurt]

Good to see KoMe outside the 10

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Solid list but Shaq over Duncan is a big no no, Bird too.

Love David Robinson but he’s a bit high. Probably 15-20.

Westbrook way too high, Harden also, Chris Paul wtf. Over Stockton lol

Durant is undervalued but he’s earnt the disrespect by taking the easy route. McHale, Stockton, Kidd, Dirk, Hakeem are too low.

[RC_Drunkford]

Kinda surprised they put Tim at 7th. That's bascially the lowest position for Duncan that you could make a somewhat reasonable case for. Of course if you ask me he should be top 5 no doubt. LeBron shouldn't be #2, Hakeem should be higher than D-Rob and Shaq and Shaq shouldn't even be Top 10. Steph doesn't belong there either. Kobe is a little too low at 14. Still not too bad of a list if you consider how biased these journalists usually are

[lefty]

Just another shitty list that puts AIDS and Dad Killer ahead of Legend.

[lefty]

How about 14 straight wins and 2 playoff sweeps over Jordan and not having to dick ride Lou Alcindor?

This tbh

[RD2191]

Lebronze at 2. :lol what a joke.

[lefty]

Lebronze at 2. :lol what a joke.

He is better than MJ tbh

Karl Malone size with more skills, ball handling, speed, would have benefited from iso ball against the 90s janitors :lol
Jordan hates zone D

[RD2191]

He is better than MJ tbh

Karl Malone size with more skills, ball handling, speed, would have benefited from iso ball against the 90s janitors :lol
Jordan hates zone D

Naw fam, I mean he's a bum. Shouldn't even be top 10.

[Genovaswitness]

He is better than MJ tbh

Karl Malone size with more skills, ball handling, speed, would have benefited from iso ball against the 90s janitors :lol
Jordan hates zone D


3-6 :lmao

[lefty]

3-6 :lmao

Lol Jordan played against shit teams in the Finals
He would have been destroyed if he faced the Warriors or the Spurs in the Finals

[Genovaswitness]

Lol Jordan played against shit teams in the Finals
He would have been destroyed if he faced the Warriors or the Spurs in the Finals

if my aunt had a dick she’d be my uncle

[lefty]

if my aunt had a dick she’d be my uncle

Your uncle has news for you, son

[Joseph Kony]

Lol Jordan played against shit teams in the Finals
He would have been destroyed if he faced the Warriors or the Spurs in the Finals
the warriors that beat a gimped Cavs in 2015, choked in 2016, and had to stack the deck w/ durant to win the next two years only to fall apart without him last season? those warriors? :lol

[resistanze]

Curry at #10 :lol

[RD2191]

Curry at #10 :lol

Tbh.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

3-6 :lmaoshould be 2-7

[Genovaswitness]

should be 2-7

absolutely, maybe even 1-6

[lefty]

the warriors that beat a gimped Cavs in 2015, choked in 2016, and had to stack the deck w/ durant to win the next two years only to fall apart without him last season? those warriors? :lol

They didn’t choke, LeBron was just awesome

Jordan would have been swept by GSW tbh

[ZeusWillJudge]

They didn’t choke, LeBron was just awesome

Jordan would have been swept by GSW tbh


If they played under the late-90's rules and refs, GSW wouldn't even have made it to the finals. Karl Malone would have bitch-slapped Draymond, for starters. And before you start crowing about the long ball, Utah had three guys who shot over .400 from distance. But the way the game was called then, if a team didn't have an inside game they couldn't compete. Malone went to the FT line over 10 times a game, under those rules. He would have had 8 or 9 and-1's a game against a team like Golden state. And Stockton/Malone was the best PnR duo ever.

[lefty]

If they played under the late-90's rules and refs, GSW wouldn't even have made it to the finals. Karl Malone would have bitch-slapped Draymond, for starters. And before you start crowing about the long ball, Utah had three guys who shot over .400 from distance. But the way the game was called then, if a team didn't have an inside game they couldn't compete. Malone went to the FT line over 10 times a game, under those rules. He would have had 8 or 9 and-1's a game against a team like Golden state. And Stockton/Malone was the best PnR duo ever.

Lol the Warriors would have killed it in ISO era

All sports evolve and keep getting better with time, but apparently basketball is the only sport that doesn’t :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

Never, ever attempt to fuck with a god.

For even trying to...You have been judged and found unworthy.




Jordan shits on any era.

End of story

[lefty]

In beisbol

[dbreiden83080]

I got a couple of things..


They got Manu ahead of Patrick Ewing.. Uh no.. If Manu is top 50 he is maybe 50. Not 37.. Barkley is not better all time than Malone.. Not even close. 19 is way too high for him..

Yeah Kobe at 14 is really fucked LOL.. I don't get that one?
David at 12 is way too high. He is maybe around 25..
Wilt needs to be top 3 IMO. Nobody dominated the game like he did, in his time..
Duncan is better than Shaq.. He was a better all around player.. Won 1 more ring..
I also don't agree that Bird or Magic is better than Tim..

Yeah MJ is Number 1.. Lebron at 2 meh? I guess.. Top 5 for me..

[dbreiden83080]

Kinda surprised they put Tim at 7th. That's bascially the lowest position for Duncan that you could make a somewhat reasonable case for. Of course if you ask me he should be top 5 no doubt. LeBron shouldn't be #2, Hakeem should be higher than D-Rob and Shaq and Shaq shouldn't even be Top 10. Steph doesn't belong there either. Kobe is a little too low at 14. Still not too bad of a list if you consider how biased these journalists usually are

To me Bird, Magic and Tim all are even basically in legacy.. You can't convince me either one was better or had a better career..

[dbreiden83080]

Lol Jordan played against shit teams in the Finals
He would have been destroyed if he faced the Warriors or the Spurs in the Finals

90's Bulls were Fucking Great.. Crazy Great.. 99 Spurs IMO would have beat them. I wish that series happened. But Jordan was a GOD for all 6 chips..

[TD 21]

For the most part, job well done. Sure, like any list, people will quibble with the exact order, but the key to these lists is to have players slotted into the proper range or tier and he mostly did that (Ginobili +9 on Gasol and Curry +5 on Durant are exceptions). I also like that he strayed from clichés (overrating 50s-70s players, Iverson, Thomas, Bryant, Olajuwon, underrating Ginobili, Robinson, Harden, Curry) and recency bias (Scumbag).

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

These lists do their job and get people talking during the off season. I can’t wait for the season to start.

[Dverde]

Shaq over TD is wrong :lol

Robinson over Dream is wrong :lol

Bird over Duncan is debatable, but I’d pick Duncan.

[dbreiden83080]

Shaq over TD is wrong :lol

Robinson over Dream is wrong :lol

Bird over Duncan is debatable, but I’d pick Duncan.


How the Fuck is Manu ahead of Patrick Ewing?

[lefty]

90's Bulls were Fucking Great.. Crazy Great.. 99 Spurs IMO would have beat them. I wish that series happened. But Jordan was a GOD for all 6 chips..

Their Finals opponents got screwed by the refs too except the Lakers and Sonica

[DAF86]

How the Fuck is Manu ahead of Patrick Ewing?

Have you ever heard about the "Patrick Ewing theory"?

[BillMc]

My God Lebron is overrated. Dude definitely should not be ahead of Kareem or Magic, and possibly not Duncan(or evenBird, Wilt or Bill R). Modern narrative has decided his only real competition is Jordan for GOAT and somehow that's stuck and now is being solidified without question. Sickening.

Acknowledging that Shaq, not Kobe, was the power behind the Laker's 2000's teams is the best thing about this list.

[r0drig0lac]

Lol the Warriors would have killed it in ISO era

All sports evolve and keep getting better with time, but apparently basketball is the only sport that doesn’t :lol

without 2015-2019 illegall screens? no way

Curry wouldn't abuse anyone in ISO, this team probably wouldn't even make it to the finals.

[ZeusWillJudge]

without 2015-2019 illegall screens? no way

Curry wouldn't abuse anyone in ISO, this team probably wouldn't even make it to the finals.


Yep. Not to mention the fact that when Jordan played, the refs would still blow the whistle over carrying the ball. And they didn't let a shooter leap sideways into a defender and give him a trip to the FT line. Steph and company can get space to shoot much more easily, and when they can't get space the refs give them freebies.

Lefty has been trolling this schtick so long, I wonder if he's started to believe it.

[ZeusWillJudge]

My God Lebron is overrated. Dude definitely should not be ahead of Kareem or Magic, and possibly not Duncan(or evenBird, Wilt or Bill R). Modern narrative has decided his only real competition is Jordan for GOAT and somehow that's stuck and now is being solidified without question. Sickening.

Acknowledging that Shaq, not Kobe, was the power behind the Laker's 2000's teams is the best thing about this list.


LeBron has all that quickness and ball-handling ability, in a linebacker's body. But he gets credit for what he could have been. Jordan was an assasin.

LeBron fits the narrative of the "new NBA". Having a King around is a money maker, and they are going t have one even if they have to invent him.

[lefty]

Yep. Not to mention the fact that when Jordan played, the refs would still blow the whistle over carrying the ball. And they didn't let a shooter leap sideways into a defender and give him a trip to the FT line. Steph and company can get space to shoot much more easily, and when they can't get space the refs give them freebies.

Lefty has been trolling this schtick so long, I wonder if he's started to believe it.
MJ traveled like crazy, no calls

Same thing on defense, he was allowed to grab, hold arms, karate kick his opponents

MJ and the Bulls got freebies too, time to drop your nostalgia glasses

[R. DeMurre]

Clyde Frazier is probably the most underrated player of all time, but he's still relatively unknown. In his peak years, he was arguably the best back court defender in the league while putting up 20+/6+/6+. He probably would've led the league in steals multiple seasons, but he played before that stat was kept. His 36 pt, 19 assist, 7 rebound, 6 steal performance in Game 7 against the Lakers in the 1970 finals (while defending & outplaying Jerry West) is one of the greatest ever, and gave the Knicks a championship despite their star center Willis Reed barely being able to play due to injury.

[TDfan2007]

MJ traveled like crazy, no calls

Same thing on defense, he was allowed to grab, hold arms, karate kick his opponents

MJ and the Bulls got freebies too, time to drop your nostalgia glasses

MJ traveled like crazy? GTFO. The guy had impeccable footwork and his moves were clean. I agree that he likely got a favorable whistle compared to other guys, and that he played defense illegally, but so did Tim (hand on the offensive player's waist so that you can guide his momentum).

[lefty]

MJ traveled like crazy? GTFO. The guy had impeccable footwork and his moves were clean. I agree that he likely got a favorable whistle compared to other guys, and that he played defense illegally, but so did Tim (hand on the offensive player's waist so that you can guide his momentum).
Palming, carrying, traveling, he did it all


But by your logic, MJ couldn’t have played in the 60s as the rules were very strict when it came to dribbling

Cousy >>>> Jordan

[ZeusWillJudge]

MJ traveled like crazy, no calls

Same thing on defense, he was allowed to grab, hold arms, karate kick his opponents

MJ and the Bulls got freebies too, time to drop your nostalgia glasses


:lol Says the guy who still has fantasies of having babies with the 87 Lakers. That's not nostalgia or anything - you're just the keeper of Ultimate Truth.

I have to take a little longer view of things. I'm nostalgic for the
Peloponnesian War. I still have a little soft spot for the Crusades, and I'll even drink an occasional beer to the Salem witch trials. But being nostalgic about something from 25 years sort of makes me laugh.

BTW - everyone travels. And they travel about the same amount, depending on how the game is being called. When Jordan played, the refs would still call it - today they won't. Most of the new superstars need to be able to carry the ball for their game to work. Jordan would be even more effective with the ability to cradle the ball while he made his moves. Guys like Steph would be much less effective without it.

No... Jordan didn't travel any more than anyone else in that era. Steph doesn't carry the ball any more than anyone else today - he's just better at taking advantage of the current way the game is called, compared to most of the other guys. I don't know what would happen with Jordan playing by today's rules (I'm speaking ex-Olympia here, not as a deity). But take away the ability to create space with moving screens, and the ability to cradle the ball to make those crazy moves, and Jordan would school the Dubs. And like I said above, allow the physical play of that era and the Stockton/Malone Jazz would completely blow up GSW's game.

[lefty]

:lol Says the guy who still has fantasies of having babies with the 87 Lakers. That's not nostalgia or anything - you're just the keeper of Ultimate Truth.

I have to take a little longer view of things. I'm nostalgic for the
Peloponnesian War. I still have a little soft spot for the Crusades, and I'll even drink an occasional beer to the Salem witch trials. But being nostalgic about something from 25 years sort of makes me laugh.

BTW - everyone travels. And they travel about the same amount, depending on how the game is being called. When Jordan played, the refs would still call it - today they won't. Most of the new superstars need to be able to carry the ball for their game to work. Jordan would be even more effective with the ability to cradle the ball while he made his moves. Guys like Steph would be much less effective without it.

No... Jordan didn't travel any more than anyone else in that era. Steph doesn't carry the ball any more than anyone else today - he's just better at taking advantage of the current way the game is called, compared to most of the other guys. I don't know what would happen with Jordan playing by today's rules (I'm speaking ex-Olympia here, not as a deity). But take away the ability to create space with moving screens, and the ability to cradle the ball to make those crazy moves, and Jordan would school the Dubs. And like I said above, allow the physical play of that era and the Stockton/Malone Jazz would completely blow up GSW's game.

- MJ didn’t travel more than any other player in his era, but he got called for it a lot less than anybody else back then

- Steph has excellent handles; sure he travels when doing the Euro step, but who doesn’t ?

- Enough with the physicality.... they called a lot of soft fouls back then too... and it’s harder to defend today because you’re not allowed to hack your opponent so you have to rely on better footwork, movement , positioning, etc etc
Yesterday’s enforcers had jobs in the NBA because they had shitty defense so they had to resort to hard fouls in mid air

[dbreiden83080]

Have you ever heard about the "Patrick Ewing theory"?

My Theory is he played in the same conference and era as Jordan.. And if he played with David and Tim, odds are fairly good he'd have a ring or two..

During his prime playing at an MVP level he had 4 seasons with his best shot to win a ring..

92 record was 51-31 Lost in 2nd round to Bulls in 7 games..
93 was a 60 win season. Outplayed Bulls in Reg season had HC and were up 2-0 in ECF. Dropped 4 straight. Charles Smith in game 5 really choked.
94 No Jordan. 57 wins lost in 7 games in the finals to Rockets. Hakeem is better all time and outplayed Ewing. Still were maybe a Starks 3 away from winning in game 6..
95 55-27 lost in 7 games to Pacers, in the 2nd round, this was the missed layup game 7 for Ewing..

By 96 the age was showing and the team was in transition.

But he led the Knicks in a stacked east. And he got close. Bulls/Knicks/Pacers all great teams in the East at that time. Then came the Magic by 95.. Not like the turds Lebron played in the East..

[lefty]

My Theory is he played in the same conference and era as Jordan.. And if he played with David and Tim, odds are fairly good he'd have a ring or two..

During his prime playing at an MVP level he had 4 seasons with his best shot to win a ring..

92 record was 51-31 Lost in 2nd round to Bulls in 7 games..
93 was a 60 win season. Outplayed Bulls in Reg season had HC and were up 2-0 in ECF. Dropped 4 straight. Charles Smith in game 5 really choked.
94 No Jordan. 57 wins lost in 7 games in the finals to Rockets. Hakeem is better all time and outplayed Ewing. Still were maybe a Starks 3 away from winning in game 6..
95 55-27 lost in 7 games to Pacers, in the 2nd round, this was the missed layup game 7 for Ewing..

By 96 the age was showing and the team was in transition.

But he led the Knicks in a stacked east. And he got close. Bulls/Knicks/Pacers all great teams in the East at that time. Then came the Magic by 95.. Not like the turds Lebron played in the East..
The refs gave game 5 to the Bulls in 93

And I’m not even talking about the Charles Smith play

And the East wasn’t that stacked lol

Knicks during the 1st 3peat :Ewing + grocery bagger and scrubs
Cavs : Uncle Joey was guarding Jordan
Pacers : they were a contender after the Bulls 1st three peat
97 Knicks would have beaten Chicago in 97 if not for the suspensions against Miami. They were playing the best basketball during the 97 playoffs

[ZeusWillJudge]

So this was a good idea. They created a page to let people vote on that Top 50 article. I don't care about voting, but it was interesting to see which players most people thought were underrated and overrated. But mostly it proves that those kinds of lists wouldn't be a damn bit better if they let fans vote. :lol

https://hoopshype.com/2019/09/27/bleacher-report-top-50-player-rankings/

[ZeusWillJudge]

- MJ didn’t travel more than any other player in his era, but he got called for it a lot less than anybody else back then



LOL. You're like a fucking mosquito droning around my head at night. How about backing that up with something besides your nostalgic memory? I would suggest just STFU with making stuff up, but I know that's not going to happen. So enjoy the thread.

[lefty]

LOL. You're like a fucking mosquito droning around my head at night. How about backing that up with something besides your nostalgic memory? I would suggest just STFU with making stuff up, but I know that's not going to happen. So enjoy the thread.

YouTube exists

[Arcadian]

Duncan > Magic, Bird, Shaq, and Lebron, tbh

[Thomas82]

Duncan > Magic, Bird, Shaq, and Lebron, tbh

+1

[lefty]

Kobe >>>> Duncan

[DMC]

Kobe >>>> Duncan

Lefty needs a hit on his troll line.. someone get pissed off.

Come on Lefty, you're fishing in the kiddie pond with a snoopy reel. Join the adults son. :lol

[lefty]

Lefty needs a hit on his troll line.. someone get pissed off.

Come on Lefty, you're fishing in the kiddie pond with a snoopy reel. Join the adults son. :lol
Nah Tim was better of course

But I don’t hate Kobe as much as a lot of Spurs fan do

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Nah Tim was better of course

But I don’t hate Kobe as much as a lot of Spurs fan do

Kobe will get all of the attention at the HOF induction ceremony though. Kobe, Garnett and Duncan...that will be a pretty amazing class of inductees, and with the two attention whores hogging the limelight Duncan likely won't get his proper due.

[lefty]

Kobe will get all of the attention at the HOF induction ceremony though. Kobe, Garnett and Duncan...that will be a pretty amazing class of inductees, and with the two attention whores hogging the limelight Duncan likely won't get his proper due.

I’m sure Tim will be fine with that, he’s not an attention seeker anyway

If KG talks like he does on his show, it’s gonna be hard to listen to

[dabom6]

Lebron cant even make the playoffs in the West. :lol

[superbigtime]

these rank lists are awful

[Seventyniner]

I’m sure Tim will be fine with that, he’s not an attention seeker anyway

If KG talks like he does on his show, it’s gonna be hard to listen to

It will be like when David was be inducted at the same time as MJ.

[lefty]

It will be like when David was be inducted at the same time as MJ.

MJ : « You’re all beneath me!”
Stock and David : “thank you”