Inside the Democrats' struggle to prevent a Russia-2016 sequel

[ElNono]

Emails obtained by POLITICO reveal a Democratic Party grappling with an onslaught of twin threats: foreign election interference and disinformation by Trump and his allies.

The Democratic National Committee sent an urgent alert on Monday to every presidential campaign aimed at avoiding a repeat of the cybersecurity fiasco the party suffered at the hands of Russia and Wikileaks in 2016.

The subject of the email was “Counter-Disinformation Update,” and it was part of a regular series of communications by DNC Tech, the party’s in-house group responsible for internal security and monitoring the spread of fake news about Democrats.

POLITICO obtained the full archive of DNC’s Tech’s missives to the presidential campaigns. They reveal a party struggling to combat the continued onslaught of the twin threats faced by the Democratic Party: cyber penetration from state actors abroad and the spread of disinformation about its top presidential candidates by Donald Trump and his allies at home.

Democrats are entering a critical stretch of the campaign when voters are paying more attention, the top candidates and their desperate single-digit rivals are more likely to begin attacking each other, and Trump, facing both impeachment and a slew of general election polls that show him losing to most Democrats, is pillorying Joe Biden in an attempt to shape the nomination contest to his benefit.

It was a moment, the DNC warned, to be hypervigilant about fake news.

“[A]ll campaigns should expect to see heightened disinformation and discourse manipulation activity leading up to, during, and after the debates with the goal of polarizing opposing Democratic supporters,” Monday’s pre-debate email said. Tech, as the DNC Geek Squad is known inside Washington headquarters, asked each presidential campaign to report “inauthentic or suspicious activity” to the DNC as well as to the major social media platforms (Twitter, Facebook/Instagram, Google/Youtube).

Full Read: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/15/dnc-election-strategy-disinformation-046839

[ElNono]

These dudes need to worry about the shitty candidates, tbh

[Spurs Homer]

These dudes need to worry about the shitty candidates, tbh


...as opposed to the squeaky-clean patriot in the white house amirite?

[hater]

DNC already preparing an excuse for another epic loss :lmao

[DMC]

...as opposed to the squeaky-clean patriot in the white house amirite?

Therein lies the difference El is referring to

[baseline bum]

These dudes need to worry about the shitty candidates, tbh

Warren and Sanders are pretty good

[DMC]

Sanders could die at any minute and Warren doesn't have "it". The DNC already fucked Sanders over once. If it came down to Sanders and Warren, would the fuck him again?

[clambake]

These dudes need to worry about the shitty candidates, tbh

[boutons_deux]

These dudes need to worry about the shitty candidates, tbh

Most are hopeless, but not shitty.

Warren is looking the strongest, and she's got the "fuck you" guts to counter dickless bully Trash head on.

BigFinance is terrified of Warren (confirming her value to the non-oligarchy), and will spend many $100Ms to block her.

[benefactor]

DMC is right, Warren has zero appeal. She's feels as approachable as a middle school librarian

[boutons_deux]

DMC is right, Warren has zero appeal. She's feels as approachable as a middle school librarian

so little appeal she's ahead in the polls

what fucking "appeal" are you assholes wanting?

"drink a beer" with war criminal dubya?

[hater]

DMC is right, Warren has zero appeal. She's feels as approachable as a middle school librarian

She has some appeal when standing next to Dump

And disagree the Demo candidate does not need to have IT. To be competitive I mean

The DNC just needs to avoid putting up THE WORST CANDIDATE IN HISTORY vs Trump and they might have a chance in hell :lmao

And BTW Biden is THE 2ND WORST CANDIDATE IN HISTORY and would sink democrats chances again

[vy65]

DMC is right, Warren has zero appeal. She's feels as approachable as a middle school librarian

Third hand hearsay, but her HLS students said she was an unapproachable cunt. So there's that.

That said, I think she's got more appeal than you give her credit. She'll earn more points with women. And she's smart and frothy enough to go after DJT when he goes on the attack.

[boutons_deux]

her HLS students

fuck all lawyers

[boutons_deux]

ELIZABETH WARREN IS BEGINNING TO WIN THE ELECTABILITY ARGUMENT

The emergence of Elizabeth Warren as a front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination has been the story of the 2020 primary.

Warren has been rewarded for

her bold positions and the simple fact that

she has a clear point of view

that allows her to be on offense every day.

No other Democratic campaign can say the same.

53% of likely Democratic primary voters say it is “harder” or “much harder” for a female candidate to defeat Trump.

But in spite of those worries, Warren is also now perceived as more electable than she was in June,

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/elizabeth-warren-winning-the-electability-argument?mbid=nl_th_5da524543627570008a88391&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_101519&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_101519&utm_term=VYF_Hive (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/elizabeth-warren-winning-the-electability-argument?mbid=nl_th_5da524543627570008a88391&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_101519&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_101519&utm_term=VYF_Hive)

How dee fucking licious would it be for a pussy to beat pussy-grabbing Trash!

[benefactor]

She has some appeal when standing next to Dump

And disagree the Demo candidate does not need to have IT. To be competitive I mean

The DNC just needs to avoid putting up THE WORST CANDIDATE IN HISTORY vs Trump and they might have a chance in hell :lmao

And BTW Biden is THE 2ND WORST CANDIDATE IN HISTORY and would sink democrats chances again
Yeah, putting Biden up would a Jason Garrett icing his own kicker level decision.

I don't see how it can't be Warren. Sanders health is bad and Biden is mired in controversy. She will also have a full arsenal of years of Trumps exaggerations/contradictory statements to fire back at him when he goes at her. Perhaps the likability will matter less overall.

[spurraider21]

Sanders could die at any minute and Warren doesn't have "it". The DNC already fucked Sanders over once. If it came down to Sanders and Warren, would the fuck him again?
oh, ok. that's a wrap then

[boutons_deux]

"Biden is mired in controversy"

Apart from his misogynist/racist/corporatist career, he's very old for his age, typically myopic, out of touch, living in the past (eg, he still believes "across the aisle")

[AaronY]

I don't see how it can't be Warren. Sanders health is bad and Biden is mired in controversy. .
Biden is mired in controversy because Fox/Repubicans constantly mention these fake controversies to create a "where there's smoke there must be fire" line of bullshit reasoning. Warren 100% lied about being an Indian to get into Harvard and Bernie has his own his own 40 year line of controversies but Progressives/Bernie Bros just tune those out tbh

[Spurs Homer]

Your house is on fire and the arsonist is still in your house pouring gasoline ...

a dozen trained firemen are outside ready to help


and you cunts are bitching about the firemen and if they have the proper gear to help.

because - that is really the issue n shit...

[spurraider21]

Biden is mired in controversy because Fox/Repubicans constantly mention these fake controversies to create a "where there's smoke there must be fire" line of bullshit reasoning. Warren 100% lied about being an Indian to get into Harvard and Bernie has his own his own 40 year line of controversies but Progressives/Bernie Bros just tune those out tbh
she never "got into harvard"... she was never a student there. she was hired there was a professor

[DarrinS]

Your house is on fire and the arsonist is still in your house pouring gasoline ...

a dozen trained firemen are outside ready to help


and you cunts are bitching about the firemen and if they have the proper gear to help.

because - that is really the issue n shit...


Someone could use a Snickers

[AaronY]

One side falls for every single fake controversy and the other calls any legit criticism of their candidate "Republican talking Points" lmao. How about a happy rational medium

[AaronY]

she never "got into harvard"... she was never a student there. she was hired there was a professor
yeah I know...by lying

[spurraider21]

yeah I know...by lying
no

the boston globe did a long piece on this some time ago... those responsible for her hiring viewed her as a white woman

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-american-heritage-actually-help-elizabeth-warren-get-ahead-but-complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html

[AaronY]

no

the boston globe did a long piece on this some time ago... those responsible for her hiring viewed her as a white woman

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-american-heritage-actually-help-elizabeth-warren-get-ahead-but-complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html
So she didn't need to lie then

[spurraider21]

So she didn't need to lie then
agreed

but its hard to know how genuine her belief of her "heritage" was, which would make those references less dishonest/mischievous. either way, its not like she went full rachel dolezal or anything resembling that but hey lets make a mountain out of a molehill

[AaronY]

agreed
Look I would still vote for Warren (not a maniac Bernie Bro who would stay home or vote third party/Trump) just an example of how patently obvious issues are no big deal to people if it's their candidate (especially progressives) but anything negative about their opponent no matter how flimsy is a huge deal.

[spurraider21]

Look I would still vote for Warren (not a maniac Bernie Bro who would stay home or vote third party/Trump) just an example of how patently obvious issues are no big deal to people if it's their candidate (especially progressives) but anything negative about their opponent no matter how flimsy is a huge deal.
if the biggest knocking point on somebody is that she embellished her CV 25 years ago i dont think thats a big deal in the scheme of things

particularly when there is an open ended question of whether she had a genuine belief or not. either way, there is nothing to indicate that she benefitted from it

i've already knocked her on this some time ago, and i questioned her judgment when she actually went forward with the DNA testing and released the results. thought that was stupid and just shooting herself in the foot, so no, i dont view are as being immune to criticism for it, but it has very little to do with her candidacy for president, imo

[koriwhat]

Haha the losers are trying to prop up their hack candidates.

[koriwhat]

if the biggest knocking point on somebody is that she embellished her CV 25 years ago i dont think thats a big deal in the scheme of things

particularly when there is an open ended question of whether she had a genuine belief or not. either way, there is nothing to indicate that she benefitted from it

i've already knocked her on this some time ago, and i questioned her judgment when she actually went forward with the DNA testing and released the results. thought that was stupid and just shooting herself in the foot, so no, i dont view are as being immune to criticism for it, but it has very little to do with her candidacy for president, imo

It proved she was a straight up gullible retard just like you.

[DMC]

oh, ok. that's a wrap then

Tell me something special about Warren.

[DMC]

She has some appeal when standing next to Dump

And disagree the Demo candidate does not need to have IT. To be competitive I mean

The DNC just needs to avoid putting up THE WORST CANDIDATE IN HISTORY vs Trump and they might have a chance in hell :lmao

And BTW Biden is THE 2ND WORST CANDIDATE IN HISTORY and would sink democrats chances again

Biden would be fine. They'd all be shat upon by Trump in a debate because Donald doesn't play by the rules of political protocol or decency on stage. He's a troll, and he won't hesitate to say just about anything. The politicians in our country are behind the curve with this, they still play old school IRS/FBI starched shirt and tie protocol, manners and such. People like Donald come from a world where saying outlandish shit gets you public attention. Mixing the two sounds like a recipe for disaster on a world stage because other nations aren't the same salt collecting trolls the US seems saturated with, but it can win you an election since those salt collectors vote. Popularity in this country has very little to do with ability.

[Chucho]

Whatever happens, whomever wins, it just wont be as fun as 2016 was...at least here.

[DMC]

Whatever happens, whomever wins, it just wont be as fun as 2016 was...at least here.

If Trump wins again it will be 11/16 x 2,847

[TheGreatYacht]

Biden is mired in controversy because Fox/Repubicans constantly mention these fake controversies to create a "where there's smoke there must be fire" line of bullshit reasoning. Warren 100% lied about being an Indian to get into Harvard and Bernie has his own his own 40 year line of controversies but Progressives/Bernie Bros just tune those out tbh

What are those controversies? Please explain. Enlighten me.

[Chucho]

What are those controversies? Please explain. Enlighten me.


Oh, the typical Jew Zionist stuff you deplore. Don't be dense.

[benefactor]

Oh look it's Joey. Hi Joey. Your well thought out, ever articulate contribution to the conversation is always a welcome thing. Please, enlighten all of us further.

[DMC]

Oh, the typical Jew Zionist stuff you deplore. Don't be dense.

He doesn't know. He only posts to generate views for his customers.

[TheGreatYacht]

It proved she was a straight up gullible retard just like you.

Yup. The feminists cleaning up that vagina...power of the cooch!


Biden would be fine. They'd all be shat upon by Trump in a debate because Donald doesn't play by the rules of political protocol or decency on stage. He's a troll, and he won't hesitate to say just about anything. The politicians in our country are behind the curve with this, they still play old school IRS/FBI starched shirt and tie protocol, manners and such. People like Donald come from a world where saying outlandish shit gets you public attention. Mixing the two sounds like a recipe for disaster on a world stage because other nations aren't the same salt collecting trolls the US seems saturated with, but it can win you an election since those salt collectors vote. Popularity in this country has very little to do with ability.

And this right here proves what I've been telling you these past couple of days that you got triggered. You like Biden not because he is a centrist or his policies but because it is an easy "W" for whoever runs as Republican. People like you will NEVER vote Democrat and will ALWAYS vote Republican. That's what I call a partisan hack. Dems should not give a fuck about people like you and just keep moving LEFT.

But I agree w your earlier comment about the DNC screwing Bernie over Warren if it comes down to those two choices.

[spurraider21]

Tell me something special about Warren.
define special. and then tell me something special about biden which i can use as a point of reference

[DMC]

Yup. The feminists cleaning up that vagina...power of the cooch!



And this right here proves what I've been telling you these past couple of days that you got triggered. You like Biden not because he is a centrist or his policies but because it is an easy "W" for whoever runs as Republican. People like you will NEVER vote Democrat and will ALWAYS vote Republican. That's what I call a partisan hack. Dems should not give a fuck about people like you and just keep moving LEFT.

But I agree w your earlier comment about the DNC screwing Bernie over Warren if it comes down to those two choices.
Nah, I'd like to see Donald lose. I am just not sold on Warren. She wouldn't get much done. I agree with some of her points, legalization of marijuana, mandatory background checks, and a couple others, but she wants to pull troops from everywhere and cut defense spending and I don't agree with that. Pull troops, sure... don't cut spending on defense just to give away college to people who's parents can afford it. Anyone who cannot afford college should be able to go, given they have the grades to support it. If she wants to close private prisons, fine... open more universities for all these people that will be taking advantage of free school. I'm down with that. We will get there eventually, but no way these wealthy congressmen will ever sign off on the cuts Warren suggests. Biden would get more done.

[TheGreatYacht]

define special. and then tell me something special about biden

He will tell you this he is center-right candidate and admires his corporate policies when in reality he only likes Biden cuz it's an easy win for his "Republican" or "right-wing" team. He's on team red forever.

[Chucho]

If Trump wins again it will be 11/16 x 2,847

Not so much. Some blue pillers here almost sound like they're bracing for another loss. If Cheeto hadn't begged for foreign countries to do det dirty work, he'd be a runaway favorite right now.

Personally, I'm more apathetic and will probably abstain this election, just like I did with '12. Voter apathy is going to be under estimated in this election.

The only exciting thing that could really happen, here at ST at least, is possibly RG going off the deep end and Whotting himself or killing the first white person he suspects is a nationalist or SH having a heart attack from the rage he'll experience. What we'll really see:

ducks, darrin, chris, derp, tsa, and kori get made fun of en masse for another four years or until Trump is impeached

loads and loads of boots spam


That's it. Very "exciting".

[DMC]

define special. and then tell me something special about biden which i can use as a point of reference

That's what I thought.

Something that would make her stand out to you over Biden in an election.

I already said Biden was the VP under Obama. Does most of the county even know who Warren is?

[Chucho]

I lied. We will also see:

The Great Auschwitz will continue to pretend he isn't carrying on Hitler's Conspiracy Theory about teh Jewz

[koriwhat]

Oh look it's Joey. Hi Joey. Your well thought out, ever articulate contribution to the conversation is always a welcome thing. Please, enlighten all of us further.

There's nothing worse than being a facebook stalking snitch like yourself ya bitchass! :tu

Was that articulated well enough for you?

[koriwhat]

I lied. We will also see:

The Great Auschwitz will continue to pretend he isn't carrying on Hitler's Conspiracy Theory about teh Jewz

:tu

[benefactor]

There's nothing worse than being a facebook stalking snitch like yourself ya bitchass! :tu

Was that articulated well enough for you?
Fascinating. Care to expound on that some? Thanks in advance.

[koriwhat]

Fascinating. Care to expound on that some? Thanks in advance.

You're a bitch. There's nothing to expound on ya bitchass!

[clambake]

Fascinating. Care to expound on that some? Thanks in advance.

i hope he can explain with, you know, words put in an order to expand on his previous thoughts regarding your character.

[spurraider21]

That's what I thought.

Something that would make her stand out to you over Biden in an election.

I already said Biden was the VP under Obama. Does most of the county even know who Warren is?
how much of the country knew about barack obama before he ran? biden and warren are polling within a few points of each other, so i dont think notoriety is the issue.

what sets her apart from biden? a more ambitious platform. stronger anti-corporatist positions. wealth tax. more aggressive policies to combat the student debt crisis. her identification of climate change being the greatest current threat to us. her embracing of medicare for all

biden's constant gaffes coupled with his advanced age have me concerned about how he will hold up for 4 years re his mental capacities. he seams more interested in duking it out with trump than being a leader

[DMC]

how much of the country knew about barack obama before he ran? biden and warren are polling within a few points of each other, so i dont think notoriety is the issue.

what sets her apart from biden? a more ambitious platform. stronger anti-corporatist positions. wealth tax. more aggressive policies to combat the student debt crisis. her identification of climate change being the greatest current threat to us.

biden's constant gaffes coupled with his advanced age have me concerned about how he will hold up for 4 years re his mental capacities. he seams more interested in duking it out with trump than being a leader

I knew about him. He was big news when he won in Illinois. I wasn't surprised he ran and won the presidency. He's black, he has an automatic group of voters already, and because he was pragmatic and forthright, he was basically a shoo-in vs that shit show he ran against (and Hillary again.. lol).

Warren isn't new to politics. She's not exciting to anyone except AARP.

Having more extreme positions is already taken by Bernie though and his voters from last time around. Her more extreme position is why I don't think she's going to go anywhere.

Anyone can have a platform. What's special about Warren?

[pgardn]

Eliminating blue team candidates after seeing the red team put up an orange clown candidate and win... ?

Anyone can get to the top spot if a lying entertainer can.
Biden lied about grades. Pocahontas lied. Nothing close to the standards set by the orange swamp creature.
1/3 of eligible voters will never leave him. 40% of the voters will vote for anyone else.

[DMC]

Eliminating blue team candidates after seeing the red team put up an orange clown candidate and win... ?

Anyone can get to the top spot if a lying entertainer can.
Biden lied about grades. Pocahontas lied. Nothing close to the standards set by the orange swamp creature.
1/3 of eligible voters will never leave him. 40% of the voters will vote for anyone else.

Hillary didn't, McCain didn't, Kerry didn't, Jeb Bush didn't, Bernie didn't.. many more didn't.

Anyone can, but no one did. Your comments are just fluff.

[spurraider21]

I knew about him. He was big news when he won in Illinois. I wasn't surprised he ran and won the presidency.
but thats your anecdote.

i can just as easily tell you that i knew about elizabeth warren and wasn't surprised she ran


He's black, he has an automatic group of voters already, and because he was pragmatic and forthright, he was basically a shoo-in vs that shit show he ran against (and Hillary again.. lol).

Warren isn't new to politics. She's not exciting to anyone except AARP.

Having more extreme positions is already taken by Bernie though and his voters from last time around. Her more extreme position is why I don't think she's going to go anywhere.

Anyone can have a platform. What's special about Warren?
"something that would make her stand out to you over Biden in an election"

i answered, and your response is that platforms dont matter, lol

[pgardn]

Hillary didn't, McCain didn't, Kerry didn't, Jeb Bush didn't, Bernie didn't.. many more didn't.

Anyone can, but no one did. Your comments are just fluff.

Show me where you predicted the orangutan would win.

You won’t, because you did not.

You are very good at remembering what has already occurred.
Thats about it.
And that’s not much.

[spurraider21]

warren became a senator in 2012. that's the first elected office she has held. she's not some dinosaur thats been on the scene for decades like biden.

[benefactor]

You're a bitch. There's nothing to expound on ya bitchass!
Great stuff. Your insights are always dead on. I'll be sure to reference you when offering them up to whatever group of people I interact with next. Would be a shame for such an expanse of knowledge to die here in this place. Thanks again buddy. Have a great rest of the day.:tu

[DMC]

but thats your anecdote.

i can just as easily tell you that i knew about elizabeth warren and wasn't surprised she ran

You asked me what the country knew about him. I live in Texas, didn't really follow politics and I knew about him. I didn't poll the entire nation, but obviously he wasn't a nobody when he entered the race. Plus he was exciting to a lot of people, brought hope to them, change.. as it were. What does Warren bring? You've still balked at addressing that.


"something that would make her stand out to you over Biden in an election"

i answered, and your response is that platforms dont matter, lol

I initially asked you to name something special about Warren. All this bullshitting you're doing is just more evidence there's nothing special about Warren. Other than being female, so 1st female POTUS, there's nothing original or noteworthy about her. The name "Pocahontas" will stick with here throughout the election. Fair or not, it will.

Obviously Benefactor got my point.

[spurraider21]

You asked me what the country knew about him. I live in Texas, didn't really follow politics and I knew about him. I didn't poll the entire nation, but obviously he wasn't a nobody when he entered the race. Plus he was exciting to a lot of people, brought hope to them, change.. as it were. What does Warren bring? You've still balked at addressing that.


I initially asked you to name something special about Warren. All this bullshitting you're doing is just more evidence there's nothing special about Warren. Other than being female, so 1st female POTUS, there's nothing original or noteworthy about her. The name "Pocahontas" will stick with here throughout the election. Fair or not, it will.

Obviously Benefactor got my point.
i asked you to define "special" and you said "something that would make her stand out to you over Biden in an election" and i told you what makes her stand out over biden.

i dont think somebody needs a shtick to be a good president. first black man! first celebrity tv show host businessman with multiple bankruptcies! how about somebody who can get the fucking job done. you're more worried about the side show than the substance. if that stuff matters so much to you, then sure, first female president should be good enough.

oh benefactor agrees with you about her appeal. that means everybody else is objectively wrong. lol

[koriwhat]

Great stuff. Your insights are always dead on. I'll be sure to reference you when offering them up to whatever group of people I interact with next. Would be a shame for such an expanse of knowledge to die here in this place. Thanks again buddy. Have a great rest of the day.:tu

Idc how much you down play your bitch ways... do whatever you have to do to feel better about being a snitch and a facebook stalker. Either way you're a bitch and no amount of joking is going to change that.

[DMC]

warren became a senator in 2012. that's the first elected office she has held. she's not some dinosaur thats been on the scene for decades like biden.

Warren was a republican until she started making a lot of money at Harvard and was invited onto some government panel, then she miraculously saw the light (despite her background in economics and law, it took that long) and became a democrat.

So no, nothing special. Just another opportunist. Hard worker? Sure.. respect for her accomplishments and all, but she's nothing to get excited about.

[DMC]

i asked you to define "special" and you said "something that would make her stand out to you over Biden in an election" and i told you what makes her stand out over biden.

i dont think somebody needs a shtick to be a good president. first black man! first celebrity tv show host businessman with multiple bankruptcies! how about somebody who can get the fucking job done. you're more worried about the side show than the substance. if that stuff matters so much to you, then sure, first female president should be good enough.

oh benefactor agrees with you about her appeal. that means everybody else is objectively wrong. lol

You and Bene are the only ones who weighed in, and you only with some philopolemic quip of needing a word defined. If you don't know what "special" means in terms of being elected, defining it for you isn't going to change anything.

The noteworthy shit doesn't matter to me, but it matters to a lot of people who have zero idea what the platform is for the people they vote for, they just pick based on common threads.

[spurraider21]

Warren was a republican until she started making a lot of money at Harvard and was invited onto some government panel, then she miraculously saw the light (despite her background in economics and law, it took that long) and became a democrat.

So no, nothing special. Just another opportunist. Hard worker? Sure.. respect for her accomplishments and all, but she's nothing to get excited about.
and trump was a democrat until 2009

nobody is forcing you to be excited about and vote for warren. you asked me for my reasoning and i gave it

[DMC]

and trump was a democrat until 2009

nobody is forcing you to be excited about and vote for warren. you asked me for my reasoning and i gave it

So she's a female version of Trump.

I didn't ask for your reasoning. I said tell me something special about Warren. I'm still waiting.

[spurraider21]

You and Bene are the only ones who weighed in, and you only with some philopolemic quip of needing a word defined. If you don't know what "special" means in terms of being elected, defining it for you isn't going to change anything.
but you already did define it. and i gave my response based on it. now you're unhappy about it.

[DMC]

but you already did define it. and i gave my response based on it. now you're unhappy about it.

It wasn't about you. I know it's hard to accept but it's true.

[DMC]

Show me where you predicted the orangutan would win.

You won’t, because you did not.

You are very good at remembering what has already occurred.
Thats about it.
And that’s not much.
How does predicting who will win mean anything?

I only have information about the past and present. Obviously I know nothing.

[baseline bum]

Biden would be fine. They'd all be shat upon by Trump in a debate because Donald doesn't play by the rules of political protocol or decency on stage. He's a troll, and he won't hesitate to say just about anything. The politicians in our country are behind the curve with this, they still play old school IRS/FBI starched shirt and tie protocol, manners and such. People like Donald come from a world where saying outlandish shit gets you public attention. Mixing the two sounds like a recipe for disaster on a world stage because other nations aren't the same salt collecting trolls the US seems saturated with, but it can win you an election since those salt collectors vote. Popularity in this country has very little to do with ability.

Trump is terrible in debates. Clinton kept lobbing him softballs over and over again with her Syria No Fly Zone plan in all three debates and he never even took a swing at them. I'll never forget that it had to be Chris Wallace in the third debate to finally ask her if she wanted to go to war with Russia.

[TheGreatYacht]

Elizabeth Warren Isn't Really For Medicare For All - Harry Reid

https://youtu.be/zuZA9eK4jOI

[spurraider21]

Elizabeth Warren Isn't Really For Medicare For All - Harry Reid

https://youtu.be/zuZA9eK4jOI
:lol so a 30 second clip where reid is speculating followed by an 11 minute analysis taking what he said as fact

[DMC]

Trump is terrible in debates. Clinton kept lobbing him softballs over and over again with her Syria No Fly Zone plan in all three debates and he never even took a swing at them. I'll never forget that it had to be Chris Wallace in the third debate to finally ask her if she wanted to go to war with Russia.

Clinton had the questions in advance and still lost. He didn't need to talk about anything substantive. He only needed to have cute quips about putting her in jail. Like this forum, a lot of voters never read or hear the actual story, they just respond to the memes.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol so a 30 second clip where reid is speculating followed by an 11 minute analysis taking what he said as fact

TRIGGER WARNING

https://youtu.be/3LeFbqK2Pf8

[Spurminator]

Warren's edgy quip about people of faith who think marriage should be between a man and a woman is going to hurt her. That was an utterly stupid response. Combined with the native heritage thing, I worry about her.

[spurraider21]

Warren's edgy quip about people of faith who think marriage should be between a man and a woman is going to hurt her. That was an utterly stupid response. Combined with the native heritage thing, I worry about her.
i think her response was fine until she dropped the "assuming you can find one" line, which was over the top and more trumpian than anything. the response to the hypothetical guy that he "should just marry one woman" imo is the perfect response to the question.

[spurraider21]

TRIGGER WARNING
i dont require jimmy dore's seal of approval before forming opinions, tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

i dont require jimmy dore's seal of approval before forming opinions, tbh


Jimmy D bad now

algorithms don't exist (conspiracy theory)

[spurraider21]

huh?

[baseline bum]

Warren's edgy quip about people of faith who think marriage should be between a man and a woman is going to hurt her. That was an utterly stupid response. Combined with the native heritage thing, I worry about her.

So she's going to piss people off who were voting Trump anyways?

[pgardn]

How does predicting who will win mean anything?

I only have information about the past and present. Obviously I know nothing.

Damn right that’s all you have.

And you can identify fluff when you read a list?

Im saying Trump can lose very easily to ANY democrat.
As one of the most unpopular incumbents of all time.
You tell me you can read a list of who has lost past elections?

Great fckn insight. This is the most vulnerable incumbent possibly of all time who started his 2020 run directly after getting elected 2016. That is notable I think.

You keep with your list. Trying predict has no usefulness to you? You only know the past and present? Good for you.
Don’t read the weather report before you fly into the side of a mountain dumbshit.

[hater]

i dont require jimmy dore's seal of approval before forming opinions, tbh

But you seem to require Ralph Maddow seal of approval

[spurraider21]

But you seem to require Ralph Maddow seal of approval
dont watch or follow maddow

i havent had cable for over 2 years now :lol... last and only time i ever tuned into msnbc was when she claimed to have his tax returns, and i actually had to look up online what channel that was on directv :lol

never tuned in again lol

[pgardn]

But you seem to require Ralph Maddow seal of approval

Says the RT news guy...

[DMC]

Damn right that’s all you have.

And you can identify fluff when you read a list?

Should I have information of the future?


Im saying Trump can lose very easily to ANY democrat.
As one of the most unpopular incumbents of all time.
You tell me you can read a list of who has lost past elections?

You're full of shit. You better hope the DNC doesn't feel that way. They didn't 4 years ago when Hillary was 98:1 odds on favorite, because they cornholed Bernie to get to her.


Great fckn insight. This is the most vulnerable incumbent possibly of all time who started his 2020 run directly after getting elected 2016. That is notable I think.

You keep with your list. Trying predict has no usefulness to you? You only know the past and present? Good for you.
Don’t read the weather report before you fly into the side of a mountain dumbshit.
If you fly into the side of a mountain, the weather report doesn't matter.

[DMC]

So she's going to piss people off who were voting Trump anyways?

The left has a lot of Christians.

[Spurminator]

So she's going to piss people off who were voting Trump anyways?

Do you think that response won her any votes that weren't already voting against Trump?

She wasn't asked "What do you say to someone who fires or assaults people based on their marriage," she was asked, "What do you say to someone who BELIEVES this about marriage?" Realize that even 21% of Democrats still don't believe gay marriage should be recognized. Yes, it's an idiotic and archaic belief, but people do come around on those beliefs... and they don't do so by having those beliefs insulted. I've seen countless people change their minds over time about homosexuality, gay marriage, transgenderism, etc.

There's absolutely no point in giving more direct fodder to conservatives to push the idea that Democrats are anti-Christian. They're going to push that message anyway, but direct content is much more powerful than insinuation. A 2-3% swing from any dumbass comment could be disastrous.

She was going for a soundbyte instead of the approach that has actually made her one of the more popular candidates - listening and empathizing with people who sometimes have ridiculous ideas and giving reasoned, thought-out responses to their concerns. The same approach (before his current descent into desperation mode) that got Beto 48% of the TX vote while other statewide candidates struggled to get 40.

Between Warren trolling marriage traditionalists and Beto's idiotic "tax exemptions based on religious beliefs" comments, these people are doing the GOP's work for them.

[Spurminator]

i think her response was fine until she dropped the "assuming you can find one" line, which was over the top and more trumpian than anything. the response to the hypothetical guy that he "should just marry one woman" imo is the perfect response to the question.

Exactly, and if anything is going to pull a reasonable amount of (white) Christians to the left, it's differentiation from Trump. Not just Trump legislation and policy, but Trump attitude and trollishness. A good number of Christians are exhausted by it and they can be won over.

But it won't happen if they feel like a vote for a Democrat is a vote against their faith.

[pgardn]

Should I have information of the future?

You're full of shit. You better hope the DNC doesn't feel that way. They didn't 4 years ago when Hillary was 98:1 odds on favorite, because they cornholed Bernie to get to her.

If you fly into the side of a mountain, the weather report doesn't matter.

Are you a complete moron?
This is a fckn political thread, you think people don’t prognosticate, we just read off lists?

I told this board and I will tell you again:
This President has made such a dishonest lying mess of his tenure that almost any democrat can beat him.
I believe this. It’s my guess, God forbid, based on a mess of a presidency.
Especially if they stick to his record and a few issues like health care and infrastructure.


So Because Hillary lost...

Oh heads 4 times must mean we are due for heads again? Very good.

And never watch the predicted winds BEFORE you go out in your boat, shit for brains. It might not reach the forecasted 20 ft swells and you will have a less than swell day.
Or maybe you can say you ran into the side of the mountain and survived.

I think you fell on your head a couple of days ago. Just a guess.

[AaronY]

if the biggest knocking point on somebody is that she embellished her CV 25 years ago i dont think thats a big deal in the scheme of things

particularly when there is an open ended question of whether she had a genuine belief or not. either way, there is nothing to indicate that she benefitted from it

i've already knocked her on this some time ago, and i questioned her judgment when she actually went forward with the DNA testing and released the results. thought that was stupid and just shooting herself in the foot, so no, i dont view are as being immune to criticism for it, but it has very little to do with her candidacy for president, imo
Yeah, I have a very cynical view of it. The Native American part rubs me really bad as that one group that has been shit on throughout history and it would be very low to try and take one of their spots. I think it's a little naive to take a best case scenario there.

Still my problem is mainly with progressive policies which continually go over the edge with me in terms of constant handouts in more and more categories and also gross exaggeration of the problems in this country. I differ in that while I think many are impractical if I'm proven wrong I'd be happy to be wrong. If free college, $15 minimum wage even for small businesses and rural areas, UBI, universal healthcare, massive taxes for over the top climate policies, etc. work out if eat crow and be fine. But each time I wrap around some new radical idea there's 7 more popping up

[baseline bum]

Exactly, and if anything is going to pull a reasonable amount of (white) Christians to the left, it's differentiation from Trump. Not just Trump legislation and policy, but Trump attitude and trollishness. A good number of Christians are exhausted by it and they can be won over.

But it won't happen if they feel like a vote for a Democrat is a vote against their faith.

If they feel like a vote for a Democrat is a vote against their faith they're already Republicans and Republicans love Trump. I do not know any Republican voters exhausted by Trump. They're exhausted by everyone treating the Dear Leader so unfairly and with such malice. I don't buy that Republican voters can be won over and it's not a good strategy to focus on them instead of trying to get our own people out to vote. The Democrats tried that in 2016 with their center-right piece of shit and it cost them decades of control of the supreme court. I think coming out for marriage equality is the better play here for Warren. I don't want Warren to try to be Claire McCaskill and worry too much about the snowflakes on the right.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I have a very cynical view of it. The Native American part rubs me really bad as that one group that has been shit on throughout history and it would be very low to try and take one of their spots. I think it's a little naive to take a best case scenario there.


Meh her family told her some bullshit that ended up being false and she believed it. Happens all the time.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, I have a very cynical view of it. The Native American part rubs me really bad as that one group that has been shit on throughout history and it would be very low to try and take one of their spots. I think it's a little naive to take a best case scenario there.

Still my problem is mainly with progressive policies which continually go over the edge with me in terms of constant handouts in more and more categories and also gross exaggeration of the problems in this country. I differ in that while I think many are impractical if I'm proven wrong I'd be happy to be wrong. If free college, $15 minimum wage even for small businesses and rural areas, UBI, universal healthcare, massive taxes for over the top climate policies, etc. work out if eat crow and be fine. But each time I wrap around some new radical idea there's 7 more popping up
and thats all fine and a difference of opinion, but it's not in the same category as gaffes, scandals, etc

[TheGreatYacht]

If they feel like a vote for a Democrat is a vote against their faith they're already Republicans and Republicans love Trump. I do not know any Republican voters exhausted by Trump. They're exhausted by everyone treating the Dear Leader so unfairly and with such malice. I don't buy that Republican voters can be won over and it's not a good strategy to focus on them instead of trying to get our own people out to vote. The Democrats tried that in 2016 with their center-right piece of shit and it cost them decades of control of the supreme court. I think coming out for marriage equality is the better play here for Warren. I don't want Warren to try to be Claire McCaskill and worry too much about the snowflakes on the right.

Tell that to DMC who pretends to want Trump defeated. I agree with you. Most Republican voters will always vote Republican. No need to waste time and resources on people that are too far gone.

Rule #1 in politics: Never abandon your base.

[spurraider21]

If they feel like a vote for a Democrat is a vote against their faith they're already Republicans and Republicans love Trump. I do not know any Republican voters exhausted by Trump. They're exhausted by everyone treating the Dear Leader so unfairly and with such malice. I don't buy that Republican voters can be won over and it's not a good strategy to focus on them instead of trying to get our own people out to vote. The Democrats tried that in 2016 with their center-right piece of shit and it cost them decades of control of the supreme court. I think coming out for marriage equality is the better play here for Warren. I don't want Warren to try to be Claire McCaskill and worry too much about the snowflakes on the right.
as long as our voter participation rates continue to be shitty, this is the viable approach tbh

[SnakeBoy]

So she's going to piss people off who were voting Trump anyways?

Yeah don't see that as a problem. It's her promise to destroy the economy that is a bigger problem.

[baseline bum]

Yeah don't see that as a problem. It's her promise to destroy the economy that is a bigger problem.

So her wealth tax is worse than than the tax Trump is putting on people with his tariffs?

[SnakeBoy]

So her wealth tax is worse than than the tax Trump is putting on people with his tariffs?

She says she will ban all fracking on day 1

[pgardn]

She says she will ban all fracking on day 1

No she won’t.

[SnakeBoy]

No she won’t.

She says she will. Conversation is about politics/electability in the general not policy. Try to keep up.

[DMC]

Are you a complete moron?
This is a fckn political thread, you think people don’t prognosticate, we just read off lists?

I told this board and I will tell you again:
This President has made such a dishonest lying mess of his tenure that almost any democrat can beat him.
I believe this. It’s my guess, God forbid, based on a mess of a presidency.
Especially if they stick to his record and a few issues like health care and infrastructure.


So Because Hillary lost...

Oh heads 4 times must mean we are due for heads again? Very good.

And never watch the predicted winds BEFORE you go out in your boat, shit for brains. It might not reach the forecasted 20 ft swells and you will have a less than swell day.
Or maybe you can say you ran into the side of the mountain and survived.

I think you fell on your head a couple of days ago. Just a guess.

Guessing isn't knowing.

Prior to the election, Trump said "grab them by the pussy" and won. You really think someone like Amy Klobucher could beat Trump?

[baseline bum]

She says she will ban all fracking on day 1

Probably not a good idea in the short term (eg the next 20 years). Better to combat global warming through subsidies for R&D to help make solar eventually more economically viable worldwide. I hope a President Warren would focus most on the financial industry being a vampire on this nation the same way FDR did. But she could always end up another Obama who promised FDR on the campaign trail and delivered Clinton when actually in office.

[pgardn]

She says she will. Conversation is about politics/electability in the general not policy. Try to keep up.

She says she will...
Trump said he would release his tax returns.
Try to keep up. You think the blue side will be honest when the nuts and bolts of being energy independent are made clear.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Warren and Sanders are pretty good:rollin:rollin:rollin

[DMC]

Energy independence as a country sounds cool, but we won't be individually independent, and it's not like our country won't fuck us even harder when they control all the supplies.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Show me where you predicted the orangutan would win.

You won’t, because you did not.

You are very good at remembering what has already occurred.
Thats about it.
And that’s not much. You seriously need to seek help, I think there is a cure for TDS. I've heard if you bend over, run full speed and ram your head into a wall it might knock some common sense into some people. I doubt it'll work you for you though, you're 100% brainwashed.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Idc how much you down play your bitch ways... do whatever you have to do to feel better about being a snitch and a facebook stalker. Either way you're a bitch and no amount of joking is going to change that. Is this the guy that stalked some dudes Facebook in the NFL forum?

[boutons_deux]

Better to combat global warming

It's too late,

and

anyway, the BigCorp polluters will not stop polluting, with the Repugs killing anti-pollution regs, etc, etc.

and air pollution from Bs of ICE vehicles worldwide, and the Bs of tons of fuel extraction to power them, will not stop.

It's fucking GAMEOVER

All humans can do now is play defense against the onslaught of AGW.

[SnakeBoy]

Probably not a good idea in the short term (eg the next 20 years). Better to combat global warming through subsidies for R&D to help make solar eventually more economically viable worldwide. I hope a President Warren would focus most on the financial industry being a vampire on this nation the same way FDR did. But she could always end up another Obama who promised FDR on the campaign trail and delivered Clinton when actually in office.

It would probably cause a global depression to do it immediately.

My point was she is telling an awful lot of voters fuck you. Hillary was stupid to say it to coal miners. Warren is saying it to coal miners, everyone in the shale industry, everyone in the health insurance industry, and who knows what other industries.

It's just bad politics for the general to campaign on fuck these people's jobs and fuck those people's jobs.

[pgardn]

Guessing isn't knowing.

Prior to the election, Trump said "grab them by the pussy" and won. You really think someone like Amy Klobucher could beat Trump?

Really?

So we don’t make assumptions and predictions on this board, we have to know like you know.
Only the past and present are discussed because the sun might not come up tomorrow.

Anyone who wins the Democratic primaries can easily beat the most screwed up presidency in modern history. The blue team needs to keep it simple. And just beat it into people’s heads. The latest example should not focus on the details, just on the fact that our president asked a foreign leader to screw with our elections by digging for dirt on an election opponent that could beat him.... Putin style stuff, compromat. Then bring in the “bikers like me and they are tough” warning.

[Spurminator]

If they feel like a vote for a Democrat is a vote against their faith they're already Republicans and Republicans love Trump. I do not know any Republican voters exhausted by Trump. They're exhausted by everyone treating the Dear Leader so unfairly and with such malice. I don't buy that Republican voters can be won over and it's not a good strategy to focus on them instead of trying to get our own people out to vote. The Democrats tried that in 2016 with their center-right piece of shit and it cost them decades of control of the supreme court. I think coming out for marriage equality is the better play here for Warren. I don't want Warren to try to be Claire McCaskill and worry too much about the snowflakes on the right.

The first part of Warren's response is a great way of coming out for marriage equality. You follow that up by explaining the rights that gay couples miss out on without state recognized marriage, and by appealing to the qualities of Jesus Christ that make it unthinkable that he would ever oppose gay marriage.

Her approach was lazy, regardless of who it may have offended (or whether we should care.) A better response might not have won over Republicans but at least it would have been ignored by them at worst. It's not about focusing on those voters at all. Just don't feed them without good reason.

[pgardn]

You seriously need to seek help, I think there is a cure for TDS. I've heard if you bend over, run full speed and ram your head into a wall it might knock some common sense into some people. I doubt it'll work you for you though, you're 100% brainwashed.

K

Old man Alt noted.

Roscoe P. Coltrane.... Gotta do better than this, it’s embarrassing.

[baseline bum]

It would probably cause a global depression to do it immediately.

My point was she is telling an awful lot of voters fuck you. Hillary was stupid to say it to coal miners. Warren is saying it to coal miners, everyone in the shale industry, everyone in the health insurance industry, and who knows what other industries.

It's just bad politics for the general to campaign on fuck these people's jobs and fuck those people's jobs.

If wanting single payer healthcare is saying fuck you to the insurance industry, then yeah, fuck them.

[DMC]

Really?

So we don’t make assumptions and predictions on this board, we have to know like you know.
Only the past and present are discussed because the sun might not come up tomorrow.

Anyone who wins the Democratic primaries can easily beat the most screwed up presidency in modern history. The blue team needs to keep it simple. And just beat it into people’s heads. The latest example should not focus on the details, just on the fact that our president asked a foreign leader to screw with our elections by digging for dirt on an election opponent that could beat him.... Putin style stuff, compromat. Then bring in the “bikers like me and they are tough” warning.
Either you were getting high during the epistemology lectures or you're just daft.

Knowing and guessing aren't the same things.

The rest of your word salad with slobber dressing makes no sense.

[boutons_deux]

If wanting single payer healthcare is saying fuck you to the insurance industry, then yeah, fuck them.

As progresive as her other policies are, I bet Liz is not gonna push mandatory Medicare for all

(and if it ain't mandatory, it will fail)

[pgardn]

Either you were getting high during the epistemology lectures or you're just daft.

Knowing and guessing aren't the same things.

The rest of your word salad with slobber dressing makes no sense.

No shit?

Please teach me your OCD ways.


This president is extremely vulnerable.
The only problem is going to be deciding which fuck up is easiest to explain.

It is time for you to end it. Agreed.

[DMC]

No shit?

Please teach me your OCD ways.


This president is extremely vulnerable.
The only problem is going to be deciding which fuck up is easiest to explain.

It is time for you to end it. Agreed.

Once the Dems narrow to one person, the right will attack the fuck out of them. Trump's "record jobs" and "Stock Market 10K points" and "ended wars in blah blah blah" will be touted. People will hear that. They'll hear Warren say stupid shit about beliefs and half a dozen other things she's said. Or they'll hear Biden's gaffes, his son will continue to be dragged into the spotlight, his touchy feely #metoo practice sessions will be made into a looping ad.

Likewise the left will play shit about Trump being investigated. They'll say he's corrupt show footage of him and other leaders to make the point he's not on the side of America, and they'll show lists of all those under him who are now in jail or have been ousted or quit.

The sum could very well be "is your family better today than it was 4 years ago?" If you're Christian, do you want to sign onto late term abortions? Do you want your guns taken from you? Do you want to pay more in taxes so the immigrants being given amnesty get to live for free?

These are how it will likely pan out, but then, unlike you, I don't know.

[pgardn]

Once the Dems narrow to one person, the right will attack the fuck out of them. Trump's "record jobs" and "Stock Market 10K points" and "ended wars in blah blah blah" will be touted. People will hear that. They'll hear Warren say stupid shit about beliefs and half a dozen other things she's said. Or they'll hear Biden's gaffes, his son will continue to be dragged into the spotlight, his touchy feely #metoo practice sessions will be made into a looping ad.

Likewise the left will play shit about Trump being investigated. They'll say he's corrupt show footage of him and other leaders to make the point he's not on the side of America, and they'll show lists of all those under him who are now in jail or have been ousted or quit.

The sum could very well be "is your family better today than it was 4 years ago?" If you're Christian, do you want to sign onto late term abortions? Do you want your guns taken from you? Do you want to pay more in taxes so the immigrants being given amnesty get to live for free?

These are how it will likely pan out, but then, unlike you, I don't know.

All reasonable points.
But I think his record of lying and fuckups in Health Care and Infrastructure take center stage.
No plans. 2018 House is the tip of the iceberg that will sink this rotten vessel.
The economics can be shown to be distributed extremely disproportionately.

Why do you find the need to be disingenuous so often?
Show me where I said I know this will happen.
Underlined is pure bullshit. And you KNOW this.

[baseline bum]

Anyone who wins the Democratic primaries can easily beat the most screwed up presidency in modern history. The blue team needs to keep it simple. And just beat it into people’s heads. The latest example should not focus on the details, just on the fact that our president asked a foreign leader to screw with our elections by digging for dirt on an election opponent that could beat him.... Putin style stuff, compromat. Then bring in the “bikers like me and they are tough” warning.

Just like anyone could beat him in 2016? If the Democrats run on "Trump's a crooked asshole so vote for me" again they'll lose again. GOP voters are easy to control with fear but that shit doesn't work for Democrat voters, as they buy into the both sides shit too easily and just stay home. It's the main reason I have never been a fan of impeachment even though Dennison absolutely deserves it.

[Trainwreck2100]

Just like anyone could beat him in 2016? If the Democrats run on "Trump's a crooked asshole so vote for me" again they'll lose again. GOP voters are easy to control with fear but that shit doesn't work for Democrat voters, as they buy into the both sides shit too easily and just stay home. It's the main reason I have never been a fan of impeachment even though Dennison absolutely deserves it.

this election will be won by getting the black votes back, and turning like 15000 college educated people. Who knows where the rust belts gonna go though, Trump made alot of lying ass promises and some of them have been hurt the most.

[pgardn]

Just like anyone could beat him in 2016? If the Democrats run on "Trump's a crooked asshole so vote for me" again they'll lose again. GOP voters are easy to control with fear but that shit doesn't work for Democrat voters, as they buy into the both sides shit too easily and just stay home. It's the main reason I have never been a fan of impeachment even though Dennison absolutely deserves it.

Hes got blue team worried with one of the all time biggest upsets but....

His record counts now. And it’s awful. Hell, I gave him a chance knowing about half the voting public wanted him but now he has shown himself. He is an easy kill, even for the paranoid blue team imo. Blue team needs to clearly explain his ridiculous antics as president of the most powerful country on Earth. He lies, he cheats, he is in love with himself and that’s what matters to him.

Others have stated he is the weakest incumbent in the modern presidency, and I think this is the case. But it needs to be explained. In very simple terms. Pick his outrageous statements and backtracking/lying and just pound it.

Then attack his lying no health care plan. Make seniors worry about unpredictable drug prices, and younger worry about zero Medicare possibility with them paying for something they will be shoved out of. Hit his no plan infrastructure, and exacerbation of wealth disparity with tax cuts for rich and companies while debt is out of control. This would be for the middle class voter.
It gets much easier with minorities. Brutally attack him for hating them. Passionate hatred. Play it up beyond what is there. Go red team dirty with different blue team members, not the major candidate. Do a ton of groundwork in their localities. And no factional BS near the end (this is really what tore the blue team apart). Bernie v. Hillary. The democratic convention was an utter mess. Avoid this, it was horribly played.

[pgardn]

There is really so much to attack it has to be sorted out by simplicity.
The most egregious acts that may be hard to explain, leave them.
This really should be easy imo, and if blue team can’t convince, then we deserve 4 more years of this idiot.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Once the Dems narrow to one person, the right will attack the fuck out of them. Trump's "record jobs" and "Stock Market 10K points" and "ended wars in blah blah blah" will be touted. People will hear that. They'll hear Warren say stupid shit about beliefs and half a dozen other things she's said. Or they'll hear Biden's gaffes, his son will continue to be dragged into the spotlight, his touchy feely #metoo practice sessions will be made into a looping ad.

Likewise the left will play shit about Trump being investigated. They'll say he's corrupt show footage of him and other leaders to make the point he's not on the side of America, and they'll show lists of all those under him who are now in jail or have been ousted or quit.

The sum could very well be "is your family better today than it was 4 years ago?" If you're Christian, do you want to sign onto late term abortions? Do you want your guns taken from you? Do you want to pay more in taxes so the immigrants being given amnesty get to live for free?

These are how it will likely pan out, but then, unlike you, I don't know.

They've been touting the economy for his entire presidency. His approval rating hasn't budged from the 41%+/-3 that it has been the whole time. That is why he is so vulnerable: he's historically unpopular despite a growing economy. If the economy shrinks in the next year, he's completely fucked. As it is he still has a poor shot.

The issue last year wasn't Fox News, Breitbart, and the National Review running Uranium 1, emails, and the like nonstop. It was that the NYT, CNN, and the rest of the MSM types running it nonstop too.

The old Bannon think-tank which first floated the whole Hunter-Biden corruption angle just doesn't have the legs. MSM is reporting that Biden pressured the investigator to be removed because it was part of what the Ukraine needed to do to meet NATO entrance requirements as opposed to detailing the uranium 1 deal pretty much straight out of Schweizer's book. There is no ongoing FBI investigation on any candidate except Trump.

As for your "the sum could be," it reads like conservative talking points: ABORTIONISTHEDEBIL!MUHGUNS!BROWNPEOPLE!. that is just how you would like it it pan out.

[ElNono]

...as opposed to the squeaky-clean patriot in the white house amirite?

This is whataboutism... one thing doesn't excuse the other

[ElNono]

They're all flawed candidates.

Bernie, he means good in his heart, and look, he's a truthbomber, but he's unelectable in this country.

Biden is Hillary with a dick, terrible, unlikeable candidate that represents more of the same old politics with a million skeletons in his closet (he rode Obama freshness as a relatively unknown to the VP spot).

Warren is probably the one that can both collect votes and shift towards the center after the primaries. There's other candidates that can do the latter (Booker, Harris, etc), but they can't get votes.

Yang is really the dark horse IMO. Relatively young, unknown, somehow manages to still make it into the debates. Might flame out any time now, but if he makes it to the big dance, he's also somebody that can pivot (aka bullshit his way around) towards different positions.

The rest is cannon-fodder, IMO.

[hater]

You forgot buttholeface

MSNBC is sucking his dick now. He's a mature beto like cuck that the fake liberal establishment fans and hillaritards adore

He has a good chance

[DMC]

They've been touting the economy for his entire presidency. His approval rating hasn't budged from the 41%+/-3 that it has been the whole time. That is why he is so vulnerable: he's historically unpopular despite a growing economy. If the economy shrinks in the next year, he's completely fucked. As it is he still has a poor shot.

The issue last year wasn't Fox News, Breitbart, and the National Review running Uranium 1, emails, and the like nonstop. It was that the NYT, CNN, and the rest of the MSM types running it nonstop too.

The old Bannon think-tank which first floated the whole Hunter-Biden corruption angle just doesn't have the legs. MSM is reporting that Biden pressured the investigator to be removed because it was part of what the Ukraine needed to do to meet NATO entrance requirements as opposed to detailing the uranium 1 deal pretty much straight out of Schweizer's book. There is no ongoing FBI investigation on any candidate except Trump.

As for your "the sum could be," it reads like conservative talking points: ABORTIONISTHEDEBIL!MUHGUNS!BROWNPEOPLE!. that is just how you would like it it pan out.


From polling to early voting trends to TV ad spending to ground game, Donald Trump’s Florida fortunes are beginning to look so bleak that some Republicans are steeling themselves for what could be the equivalent of a “landslide” loss in the nation’s biggest battleground state.

Trump has trailed Hillary Clinton in 10 of the 11 public polls conducted in October. According to POLITICO’s Battleground States polling average, Clinton has a 3.4-point lead. Even private surveys conducted by Republican-leaning groups show Trump’s in trouble in Florida, where a loss would end his White House hopes.

“On the presidential race we’ve found Clinton with a consistent 3% - 5% lead in surveys that attempt to reflect Florida’s actual electorate,” Ryan D. Tyson, vice president of political operations for the Associated Industries of Florida business group, wrote in a confidential memo emailed to his conservative-leaning members this weekend and obtained by POLITICO.

Though Clinton’s lead is “within the margin of error for this survey, we would suggest that 3% really isn’t as close as it may seem in the state of Florida,” Tyson wrote, estimating a turnout of as much as 71 percent, or as many as 9.2 million Florida voters overall. If that happens and the polling margins hold, Clinton’s raw vote lead over Trump could end up being 275,000 to 460,000 votes.

“This is in all reality a landslide in our great state,” Tyson wrote, echoing the concerns of numerous Florida Republican insiders and experts. “Based on his consistent failure to improve his standing with non-white voters, voters under 50 and females, it seems fairly obvious to us that Mr. Trump’s only hope left in Florida is a low turnout.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-clinton-florida-230275#ixzz4O7owUR5b
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It's only early voting and mail in tracked but he's not losing in a landslide. Trump is actually up 7,000 or so votes.

https://countyballotfiles.elections.myflorida.com/FVRSCountyBallotReports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats


TSA is ignorant of early voting trends too.

How does it feel to lack anything resembling intelligence, wisdom, or critical thinking, TSA? Does it hurt or are you like the MR types that are gleefully ignorant?

Time for you to leave again, Fuzznuts. Daddy's money is calling.

[DMC]

They're all flawed candidates.

Bernie, he means good in his heart, and look, he's a truthbomber, but he's unelectable in this country.

Biden is Hillary with a dick, terrible, unlikeable candidate that represents more of the same old politics with a million skeletons in his closet (he rode Obama freshness as a relatively unknown to the VP spot).

Warren is probably the one that can both collect votes and shift towards the center after the primaries. There's other candidates that can do the latter (Booker, Harris, etc), but they can't get votes.

Yang is really the dark horse IMO. Relatively young, unknown, somehow manages to still make it into the debates. Might flame out any time now, but if he makes it to the big dance, he's also somebody that can pivot (aka bullshit his way around) towards different positions.

The rest is cannon-fodder, IMO.

Hillary was Hillary with a dick.

[TSA]

Time for you to leave again, Fuzznuts. Daddy's money is calling.

:claw

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Time for you to leave again, Fuzznuts. Daddy's money is calling.

Nice to see that you cannot refute anything I wrote but instead posting something I wrote 2 days before Comey's press release changed the polls. The second response is really stupid to quote. What do you think the more likely early voters are going to be: liberal or conservative?

So let's rejoin what I wrote:

1) The GOP has been pimping the economy under Trump since day 1. It started with Trump lying about inheriting a recession that he swung back and it hasn't stopped ever since. He remains with historically shitty polling despite the relatively strong economy thus making him extremely vulnerable. If the economy sours he is really fucked.

2) The right wing echo chamber is not that made the narrative last presidential election. It was the MSM doing the same stories. For example the NYT ran a story that was basically what Schweizer wrote. In contrast, the MSM is taking the Biden narrative and pointing out the role of NATO and the EU's corruption standards for Ukrainian entry as cause for Biden's action. Whataboutism aside, the stories have not been analogous to what your echo chamber is writing.

3) Your summation of you predicted election narrative is literally right wing talking points: abortion fearmongering, gun confiscation fearmongering, and immigrant fearmongering. It's not only partisan wishcasting but it is stupid as hell to think the swing votes that decide elections are going to decide on what your partisan concerns are.

[DMC]

I was basically saying what I think will happen.

I'm not reading all that bullshit you just wrote. It's probably as fucking stupid as the rest of that shit I quoted you on.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was basically saying what I think will happen.

I'm not reading all that bullshit you just wrote. It's probably as fucking stupid as the rest of that shit I quoted you on.

Like I said, if you think quoting me two days before Comey's bombshell as proving something then you are daft. Going to TSA as backup is adorable too.

I don't really care if you read it. Others can read it and see how ignorant you are and I don't have to worry about real refutation. Right wing wishcasting is adorable though.

[DMC]

Like I said, if you think quoting me two days before Comey's bombshell as proving something then you are daft. Going to TSA as backup is adorable too.

I don't really care if you read it. Others can read it and see how ignorant you are and I don't have to worry about real refutation. Right wing wishcasting is adorable though.

You're basically a cartoon caricature of a douchebag. I don't know how anyone could ever take you seriously and I'm pretty sure most people don't.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're basically a cartoon caricature of a douchebag. I don't know how anyone could ever take you seriously and I'm pretty sure most people don't.

Talking about caricatures. angry derision from a mindless partisan actually is a cliche. Good job playing white trash. Calling me a douchebag only demonstrates that you lack anything resembling wit. Your comments about others taking me seriously resonates with Koriwhat's bleatings about not caring what others think. I'll rejoin once again:

1) The GOP has been touting the economy and trying to steer that as the narrative ever since Trump took office. His polling is still historically bad despite a growing economy. That makes him extremely vulnerable and if the economy starts shrinking, he is fucked as in historical landslide for the Dems fucked.

2) The Bannon/Schweizer book is not being repeated in the MSM this time around. The Hunter Biden story is not being repeated out of their book like the Uranium One story was this time last year. There is no congressional investigation into the leading Democratic candidate like with Hillary concerning Benghazi then the emails. Instead it is Trump being investigated for multiple felonies. He now is the one appearing corrupt.

3) Saying the narrative is going to be about the right wing platform of abortion, guns, and immigrants demonstrates you are completely out of touch with what swing voters give a shit about. Not surprising given your propensity towards the echo chamber.

[DMC]

tl;dr

[FuzzyLumpkins]

tl;dr

youre not the only audience. persuading you is never going to happen or rather you would rather die than admit it. I get that. when you resort to this type of things everyone can see you are unable to argue. when you think you have an argument you rail about it.

My rejoinders are not because I want you to read them. I'm just not letting you spam my arguments away when you know you lost.

[TheGreatYacht]

Warren Flip Flops AGAIN On Big $ Donors!

https://youtu.be/-5KZcQ5BRuM

[koriwhat]

Your comments about others taking me seriously resonates with Koriwhat's bleatings about not caring what others think.

i don't. i don't think about any of what yall say here when i log off ST. as well, when i say i don't care, i mean i don't care if you're dead or alive or whatever because frankly i don't know you or the others personally and idgaf to either. i especially don't care for weak faggots like yourself who talk shit behind computers but lack the spine to be a man in real life and own up to the bullshit you dribble.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i don't. i don't think about any of what yall say here when i log off ST. as well, when i say i don't care, i mean i don't care if you're dead or alive or whatever because frankly i don't know you or the others personally and idgaf to either. i especially don't care for weak faggots like yourself who talk shit behind computers but lack the spine to be a man in real life and own up to the bullshit you dribble.

yes that is why you come here daily and stalk the people you supposedly don't care about. when people don't care they don't go out of their way to engage and say they don't care.

youre too dumb to get that but it is what it is.

[koriwhat]

yes that is why you come here daily and stalk the people you supposedly don't care about. when people don't care they don't go out of their way to engage and say they don't care.

youre too dumb to get that but it is what it is.

i stalk no one you fucking pussy. :lmao

tell your mom and dad hi for me. :tu

[TheGreatYacht]

Harry Reid: Elizabeth Warren More Corruptible Than Bernie

https://youtu.be/EJzzfl3BRJc

[koriwhat]

ugh comedians and politics... that's almost as lame as looking towards a teen with asperger's to fix our climate.

[clambake]

ugh comedians and politics... that's almost as lame as looking towards a teen with asperger's to fix our climate.

whats that you say?

something about our climate needs fixing?

[DMC]

youre not the only audience. persuading you is never going to happen or rather you would rather die than admit it. I get that. when you resort to this type of things everyone can see you are unable to argue. when you think you have an argument you rail about it.

My rejoinders are not because I want you to read them. I'm just not letting you spam my arguments away when you know you lost.

If you could just get the world to see how smart you are, they'd be so much better off.

[koriwhat]

whats that you say?

something about our climate needs fixing?

yeah, it'll be fixed if we round up all the pussies like yourself and throw yall into the ocean. :tu

[TheGreatYacht]

ugh comedians and politics... that's almost as lame as looking towards a teen with asperger's to fix our climate.

Comedians do a better job than journalists tbh. And I'm not talking about corporate shills like Bill Maher or SNL. I mean the real old-school shit like George Carlin. Those guys were truth-tellers and comedians.

[Will Hunting]

Harry Reid: Elizabeth Warren More Corruptible Than Bernie

https://youtu.be/EJzzfl3BRJc
Yeah sorry but Harry Reid has no room to talk when it comes to caving to Republicans...he had a fucking 59 vote majority in the senate and caved to them on a regular basis.

[koriwhat]

Comedians do a better job than journalists tbh. And I'm not talking about corporate shills like Bill Maher or SNL. I mean the real old-school shit like George Carlin. Those guys were truth-tellers and comedians.

well duh... carlin was a genius democrat.

by default i have to call those like dore, maher, etc comedians even though they're not funny at all.

[TheGreatYacht]

Clinton Consultant Attacks Jimmy Dore For Exposing Warren Lying

https://youtu.be/AEfzE6qLmS4

[koriwhat]

Clinton Consultant Attacks Jimmy Dore For Exposing Warren Lying

referencing bill hicks :tu

but yeah fuck warren and the rest of the lying libs!

[TheGreatYacht]

referencing bill hicks :tu

but yeah fuck warren and the rest of the lying libs!

And her feminist cult followers too

[koriwhat]

And her feminist cult followers too

fr! fuck all the faux feminists and their "male" counterparts too! :tu

[SnakeBoy]

Bernie has his own his own 40 year line of controversies but Progressives/Bernie Bros just tune those out tbh

https://snopes.com/uploads/2015/09/sanders-essay.jpg

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you could just get the world to see how smart you are, they'd be so much better off.

:lol no, just how and why you are wrong. you worried about my intellect? you bring it up a lot with no reason.

[AaronY]

https://snopes.com/uploads/2015/09/sanders-essay.jpg
Now now, that was 50 years ago..excuse me as I pivot to Joe Biden's busing policy and bring up Bernie's civil rights activities from 1961 which are obviously much more pertinent

[SnakeBoy]

Now now, that was 50 years ago..excuse me as I pivot to Joe Biden's busing policy and bring up Bernie's civil rights activities from 1961 which are obviously much more pertinent

:lol

[DMC]

:lol no, just how and why you are wrong. you worried about my intellect? you bring it up a lot with no reason.

That's the point

[Spurtacular]

:lol

Good to have you back, Fuzzy. You're wrong on almost everything; but I don't think you're a mindless minstrel like most the lefties around here.

[AaronY]

:lol
Pretty great tweet today buddy (the second one)

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So he did something in 1963...anyway,,, fast forward say.......31 years now..

then he stood outside holding a sign while Clinton was doing something..

[AaronY]

Also, we're all going to forget that Ted Kennedy was by far the leader of the anti-Iraq war faction of Democrats.

[AaronY]

Nobody listens to me I swear to god


Has anyone told Bernie about https://www.careerexcuse.com/ ?? might help him fill in some of the gaps on his resume