How would you feel about a K. Love - D. DeRozan swap

[pookenstein]

I know, it won't happen. But man, I would love (no pun intended) if it did.

Pros:
Both earn roughly the same, so there would be no need to include anbody else on either side.
We get the Stretch 4 we need, locked up for 4 years.
We can't extend DDR.
We open up a ton of minutes for DJ, DW LW.
They get a reliable scorer, who (most likely) doesn't opt in with them next year. And even if he does, he would be tradable.

Cons:
KL is bad at this Defense Thing. But that would be somewhat of a wash considering DeRozan isn't exactly the second coming of Bruce or Kawhi himself.
We have KL locked up until he is 35.
Can DDR put butts in seats in Cleveland and make a trade more interesting for the Cavs?

Thouhts?

[cool cat]

I recommend this during the off season before they signed Love to an extension.

It makes sense in that it fixes a lot the spacing issues with the starters.
Before he signed the extension he had two years left which seemed to line up perfectly with our current two year plan the Spurs seem to be on.

But 4 years of Kevin Love now seems a bit to long.

[Fireball]

lets do it ... one shoots threes the other not ... both do not play defense

[poopbox]

4 years of Kevin Love is about 2 or 3 years to many

[TDMVPDPOY]

klove empty stats on the wolves
klove on the cavs, same shit different jersey
klove on the spurs? tank commander?

[pookenstein]

klove empty stats on the wolves
klove on the cavs, same shit different jersey
klove on the spurs? tank commander?

KLove on Cavs: third wheel on a title winning Team
KLove on Spurs: stretch 4 we don't have, tradeable after 2 years

[Jsmythe]

Do not want any more players with the initials KL. Hard pass.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

No way, Kevin Love is empty calories, even worse than DeRozan when it comes to impact and his contract is very long, which will prevent the Spurs ability to retain their draftees for the long term, especially with the expected drop of the cap. And even if you disregard all of this he’s not good enough to make the Spurs a contender by a long shot even in the most optimistic scenario, is injury prone, and his game is unlikely to mesh well with Aldridge on defense.

Hard pass.

[RC_Drunkford]

Jaylen Brown

[GusT15]

White-Gay-Love.
Big3.

[Genovaswitness]

Kevin love is severely underrated. Lebron makes some players worse he is one of them

[pookenstein]

White-Gay-Love.
Big3.

:lol

[mo7888]

Jaylen Brown

This...much better fit

[MultiTroll]

No!

Overpaid contract is 3 years too many.

[SAGirl]

He has been very injury prone and is in a very long and pricey deal. I haven’t watched him play since Lebron left, he may not have much left in the tank with all his injuries of late. Pass.

[Prime BEEF]

I’d do

DeIso/Marco for Love/Windler and a 1st. Cleveland might do that. Depends on how bad they want to get rid of Love’s contract

[exstatic]

I’d do

DeIso/Marco for Love/Windler and a 1st. Cleveland might do that. Depends on how bad they want to get rid of Love’s contract

They just extended him, so...

Not a fan of Love, and never have been. If DDR was a mistake, there's no need to compound it by taking on four more HUGE contract years, just when your young players are going to need to be paid.

[Russ]

Aldridge is probably the best player on the team.

What do you tell him after you make this deal?

[baseline bum]

God no.

[spurs1990]

If the choice is between Love's current contract versus an extended Derozan I'll take Love.

Derozan is clogging up the position the Spurs have depth and youth so he's unnecessary.
If the Spurs aren't serious about extending Derozan then yes let him play out this last year, opt out and have the cap space for younger guys.

[BlackAndWhite]

Kevin Love is made of glass

[ZeusWillJudge]

How would you feel about a K. Love - D. DeRozan swap (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281502&p=9946816)?


My first thought was "Ewww". And my second. With the exception of a couple of seasons he's mostly about a .360 3P shooter, or a little less. His 2P attempts have steadily fallen, and last year his 2P% went completely to shit. The biggest plus is that he boards, and he still gets to the FT line a decent amount. But I think you'll see this year that he's on the downhill side of being an inside big man.

I guess with this roster construction, he's a guy who can sit out on the 3P line and get a lot of shots off because of his height. But I hate this roster construction. And I hate the $120M he'll cost over the next four years even more. That'll be recognized as a bad contract long before year 4. The absolute last thing I want to see the Spurs do right now is take on any bad contracts.

[KobesAchilles]

Jaylen Brown
Boston is in cap hell I believe with the signings of Hayward and Kemba. Plus they’re gonna give Tatum the Supermax. I don’t see a way they afford him. I hope the Spurs sit tight and wait for him instead of signing Demar

[ZeusWillJudge]

Boston is in cap hell I believe with the signings of Hayward and Kemba. Plus they’re gonna give Tatum the Supermax. I don’t see a way they afford him. I hope the Spurs sit tight and wait for him instead of signing Demar


The C's have four days to extend him. I think they won't, for all the cap reasons you mentioned. He's going to command a high price if he hits the open market. I think he's a piece, but not one you build a franchise around. To me he's just one of many open market guys to consider. Given the Spurs difficulty getting FA's to sign, it's pretty much a longshot.

[itzsoweezee]

Kevin Love is a much better basketball player than DeRozan. However, his contact is ridiculous. I'd rather DeRozan get sent off for a middling draft pick it a serviceable wing.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Realistically where can the spurs dump him and get something back?

[lmbebo]

How about a Hield for DDR swap?

https://sports.yahoo.com/buddy-hield-isnt-happy-with-kings-offer-if-they-dont-want-me-here-ill-find-somewhere-else-145432385.html

[spurspl]

its obvious that kevin is better than ddr, but hes overpaid, old and signing him we aint change our future. PATFO should seek a trade that include some picks or young players or just let ddr go and sign a FA. Jaylen brown or hield would be a perfect fit. If it happens i could forget about all these shitty moves that patfo did.

[monty4329]

If healthy, it would make the Spurs an instant top 4 team.

[Dverde]

I’d rather keep DeMar as an expiring than take on that garbage K. Love contract

[pookenstein]

How about a Hield for DDR swap?

https://sports.yahoo.com/buddy-hield-isnt-happy-with-kings-offer-if-they-dont-want-me-here-ill-find-somewhere-else-145432385.html

The idea was to fill a position of need, stretch 4, and get rid of DeRozan, so our young guards get the playing time they need to develop. With Love instead of DeMar (who I don't dislike btw), Murray/White/Walker can get that playing time and the team still roughly has the same ceiling they have today. Also you get a volume three point shooter to help spacing.

[Arcadian]

nah

[spurspl]

spurs
hield gordon fultz

sac
loonie forbes and pick

orl
ddr white belli and a pick

spurs s5 murray, hield, caroll, gordon, LMA

[ZeusWillJudge]

The idea was to fill a position of need, stretch 4, and get rid of DeRozan, so our young guards get the playing time they need to develop. With Love instead of DeMar (who I don't dislike btw), Murray/White/Walker can get that playing time and the team still roughly has the same ceiling they have today. Also you get a volume three point shooter to help spacing.


Well, and that's not a bad idea.

Love always had a lot of potential, and he's been a good player at stretches. But he's been hurt a LOT, and I think it has taken a toll. Like I said, I think he's on the downhill stretch of his career. Maybe prematurely, due to the injuries, but I believe that makes his 4/$120M contract an albatross, even if the deal could be worked out.

But to be fair, a stretch 4 that has made a bunch of 3's and boards? Plus clearing minutes to let these young guards develop? I can't fault your thinking.

[sananspursfan21]

Love is a poor man’s Aldridge...and we already have an Aldridge

[sananspursfan21]

Out of realistic options for swapping DeMar, DeMar is the best option. My only beef would be him getting paid max extension dollars. I still think he’s a solid asset, advanced stats or not.

[FutureMan]

A Rudy Gay/Mills for Love is all I’d be interested in. That contract is really bad.

[BatManu20]

Y’all are forgetting how fragile Kevin Love is at this stage of his career.. Guy’s missed a combined 105 games over the past 3 seasons. And his contract is horrendous. As is his Defense. He’s more of a social media influencer these days than he is reliable basketball player.

Hard pass.

[BatManu20]

DeMar isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. For better or worse.

[Chomag]

Kevin Love would have been great before they gave him that ludicrous 4 year extension.

[SpurPadre]

Didn't Love bitch about Tim Duncan making the All-Star game over him one year? Yeah, fuck him, tbh.

[R. DeMurre]

If Love's contract had the same length as DeRozan's I'd do it, but not with the obligation of four max years... the whole idea is to get out from under DeRozan's contact, not to lock in to another one.

[mookie2001]

If we had Love and traded him for Derozen we’d all be dancing in the streets, it would be a spurstalk national holiday.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Didn't Love bitch about Tim Duncan making the All-Star game over him one year? Yeah, fuck him, tbh.


LOL. Probably. I remember his coach bitching about it. I don't think he mentioned Duncan specifically, but I remember him saying that Love was possibly the best big man in the game. Wouldn't surprise me if Love said something too.

Yeah, "delusional" isn't generally one of the traits teams are looking for. Love was good when he was healthy, but not in the same zip code with Duncan.

[RC_Drunkford]

Boston is in cap hell I believe with the signings of Hayward and Kemba. Plus they’re gonna give Tatum the Supermax. I don’t see a way they afford him. I hope the Spurs sit tight and wait for him instead of signing Demar

A Jaylen Brown, Murray, White, Walker core with Aldridge, Gay, Carroll and Samanic, Keldon and Weatherspoon in the pipeline would make us long term contenders

[offset formation]

The C's have four days to extend him. I think they won't, for all the cap reasons you mentioned. He's going to command a high price if he hits the open market. I think he's a piece, but not one you build a franchise around. To me he's just one of many open market guys to consider. Given the Spurs difficulty getting FA's to sign, it's pretty much a longshot.
He reportedly wants 4/$100.

[TD 21]

For reasons that have already been explained, nah. On December 15th (when players signed in the off season are eligible to be traded), I'd rather . . .

To Celtics: Drummond, Belinelli
To Pistons: DeRozan, Kanter
To Spurs: Hayward

Or

To Magic: DeRozan
To Thunder: Fournier, Aminu, Lyles, multiple Magic 2nds
To Spurs: Gallinari, Roberson

[Prime BEEF]

Absolutely no way Jaylen Brown chooses to come to SA. Have to make a trade in order to get a quality player like that. What is the market for DeRozan?

[DavidTheGoliath]

this works

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyyljwwf

[hater]

I'd rather have aids

[YGWHI]

Jaylen Brown
Ainge didn't want to trade Brown for Kawhi but he would trade him for DeRozan now?

[cd021]

Pop doesn't need a reason to play two big lineups and having Love would guarantee that he would do so for much of most games.

Wouldn't trade DDR for Love tbh.

[pookenstein]

Well, and that's not a bad idea.

Love always had a lot of potential, and he's been a good player at stretches. But he's been hurt a LOT, and I think it has taken a toll. Like I said, I think he's on the downhill stretch of his career. Maybe prematurely, due to the injuries, but I believe that makes his 4/$120M contract an albatross, even if the deal could be worked out.

But to be fair, a stretch 4 that has made a bunch of 3's and boards? Plus clearing minutes to let these young guards develop? I can't fault your thinking.

Point taken, but I think his contract would be tradeable in two years. Also I was looking for a somewhat realistic trade Scenario, value wise for both Teams involved, not an unrealistic pipe dream.

[exstatic]

Point taken, but I think his contract would be tradeable in two years. Also I was looking for a somewhat realistic trade Scenario, value wise for both Teams involved, not an unrealistic pipe dream.

Why on earth would you think it would be tradeable in two years? He’ll be two years older, more susceptible to injuries, and the last two years are the most expensive.

[RC_Drunkford]

Ainge didn't want to trade Brown for Kawhi but he would trade him for DeRozan now?

Jaylen Brown is a RFA dumbo. I don't expect low IQ posters like you to understand that though. You don't even know the difference between the words hug and huge

[RC_Drunkford]

Absolutely no way Jaylen Brown chooses to come to SA. Have to make a trade in order to get a quality player like that. What is the market for DeRozan?

It's far from a pipe dream. It's actually quite realistic


The reaction to the Yahoo report that Boston Celtics swingman Jaylen Brown had turned down a four-year, $80 million offer from the franchise was a lot of laughs and you must be crazy tweets.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/10/celtics-jaylen-brown-extension-2020


Brown appeared to be a frustrated figure during parts of last NBA season as the Celtics kept changing rotations and line-ups to find a way to get the best from their talents.
　

Playing for Gregg Popovich, I’ll do that any day of the week."
For the most part, players hold Popovich in high regard.
Considering he commands respect in the basketball world, a lock for the Basketball Hall of Fame and puts players first in his system, it is no wonder Brown would want to play for Popovich.
https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/celtics-jaylen-brown-would-play-for-popovich-any-time (https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/celtics-jaylen-brown-would-play-for-popovich-any-time)
　


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Team USA head coach Gregg Popovich is a big fan of Boston Celtics (https://clutchpoints.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics) small forward Jaylen Brown (https://clutchpoints.com/sports/nba/players/Jaylen-Brown/b56809d9).
After finishing with 11 points, four rebounds and four assists in Team USA’s win over Brazil on Monday, Brown drew high praise from the legendary San Antonio Spurs (https://clutchpoints.com/sports/nba/san-antonio-spurs) coach.
"He’s a strong player," Popovich said of Brown, via Joe Vardon of The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/1197315/2019/09/09/26-thoughts-team-usa-win-over-brazil-fiba-world-cup/). "For his size and strength, he moves well and he will penetrate. He can catch and pull it. Get to the rim. And he’s unselfish and finding other people. He’s just kind of an all-around player. He has stepped in and given us good minutes at both ends of the floor for sure."

https://clutchpoints.com/team-usa-news-gregg-popovich-calls-jaylen-brown-strong-player/ (https://clutchpoints.com/team-usa-news-gregg-popovich-calls-jaylen-brown-strong-player/)
　

"So I grew up playing all positions and getting back to that with Coach Pop is just like coming back into myself."
Brown added Popovich has already helped him improve.
"Being physical on the rebounds. Pop is being honest with me," Brown said.
"I'm trying to let all my flaws come out now as we have some of the best coaches to ever coach in this gym so I can get the right direction I need."
Popovich’s nightly team dinners have further helped the Celtics grow closer.
"Even guys I've been playing with for two, three years I'm learning more about them," Brown said.
"When you are outside your comfort zone, halfway across the world, you see things come out of people that you never expect over a glass of wine."
If the Celtics beat the Spurs during the NBA season and Brown is showing the fruits of his work with Team USA, he knows Popovich won't regret helping him this campaign.
"I don't think he's going to regret it," Brown said.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/basketball/jaylen-brown-says-time-with-popovich-is-bringing-celtics-stars-closer-20190820-p52j1y.html (https://www.smh.com.au/sport/basketball/jaylen-brown-says-time-with-popovich-is-bringing-celtics-stars-closer-20190820-p52j1y.html)
　
:wakeup

[dbestpro]

Love would work well with LMA. He can hit the three when LMA kicks out from a post up, and he can go down low and is an excellent rebounder when LMA locks in on his mid-range shot. Love's game has never been about athleticism so his game may stay true for several more years. I do think he is a better fit, right now, with the Spurs roster than DDR.

[ZeusWillJudge]

It's far from a pipe dream. It's actually quite realistic
　
:wakeup


Well he says he respects Pop, I'll give the theory that. I don't think he respects Pop enough to play for less. (If it's not the money, why is he even bothering to talk about the C's offer?) If Boston ponies up the money, he'll be wearing green. If they don't, I don't know how the Spurs pay him that much next season without finding a way out of DDR's contract.

I don't think he's "the answer", but I wouldn't mind having him. But you know better than most how many players over the years have talked like that about the Spurs when they were in the middle of a contract negotiation. And how few of them have actually come here.

Here's what I think: He's going to cost the same amount next year, no matter what. If the Spurs traded for him this season, the Celtics would almost certainly demand a pick. Next year, if he leaves, all the Spurs would have to do is pay him. Either way, next year's cap space hit looks the same. And that doesn't even factor in the fact that he could get traded here, and then decide to leave next year because of money. (I can hear Marcus Morris chuckling from here.)

The Spurs are still in cap hell. And one of the big keys to getting out of it is rookie scale contracts. I don't like the idea of throwing picks at players right now unless it's just an exceptional value.

[RC_Drunkford]

with DeRozan opting out and waiving Lyles the Spurs open up 32 Million $ of cap space while already being 7 million under the cap. That's more than enough money to sign Jaylen Brown. They got bird rights on Murray, Poeltl and Forbes to go over the cap to extend them while Mills will expire the season after. That's plenty of room to make moves. Also LMA's contract is only guaranteed for 7 Million.

Meanwhile the Celtics will only have about 9 million in cap space. Not sure if they would match

[SpursDynasty85]

with DeRozan opting out and waiving Lyles the Spurs open up 32 Million $ of cap space while already being 7 million under the cap. That's more than enough money to sign Jaylen Brown. They got bird rights on Murray, Poeltl and Forbes to go over the cap to extend them while Mills will expire the season after. That's plenty of room to make moves. Also LMA's contract is only guaranteed for 7 Million.

Meanwhile the Celtics will only have about 9 million in cap space. Not sure if they would match

Would we be able to resign LMA and sign Jaylen Brown?

[RC_Drunkford]

we don't need to resign him, he's under contract for a dead cheap 24 Million $ next season. Technically they could waive him to clear cap space cause only 7 million are guaranteed, but it would be retarded to do that. So yeah they can easily sign Jaylen Brown and keep everybody else except for DeRozan.
Other notable realistic free agent targets are Gallinari, Otto Porter, Domantas Sabonis and Buddy Hield.

[ZeusWillJudge]

with DeRozan opting out and waiving Lyles the Spurs open up 32 Million $ of cap space while already being 7 million under the cap. That's more than enough money to sign Jaylen Brown. They got bird rights on Murray, Poeltl and Forbes to go over the cap to extend them while Mills will expire the season after. That's plenty of room to make moves. Also LMA's contract is only guaranteed for 7 Million.

Meanwhile the Celtics will only have about 9 million in cap space. Not sure if they would match


If DeRozan opts out? Yeah, it works. I can't imagine why he would do that, but if he does there's something to talk about.

Okay, so you know more about Brown than me, and you're pretty sold. I saw him as a good player, but I'm not excited. And the Celtics offered him a lot less than he thinks he's worth.
What are you seeing? (Sorry for the hijack, but Kevin Love isn't happening, and the whole offseason has been dull.)

[RC_Drunkford]

DeRozan is "only" due 27 million in his final year if he opts in. I think it's almost a given that he opts out to get one more pay day, especially in an offseason where there ain't a lot of great players on the market.

Teams like the Cavs, Hornets, Grizzlies, Kings and Knicks will have cap space and will be desperate to add a player like him. You can almost bank on the Knicks offering him a max deal given their history. The Raptors will also have a booming 52 million in cap space that offseason, so I could see them reuniting to stay competitive in a LeBron less East. They won't be good this season.

Even if he opts in, the Spurs could waive Lyles and move Mills who's on an expiring to free up 24 million.


If you want to ask me what I see, replace DeRozan with Jaylen Brown on this years squad and tell me if it improves the team.
Defense, 3-point shooting and spacing on offense would immediately improve while freeing up minutes for Walker at the guard spot. Brown is only 22 so he lines up with all the other young players we got. We would talk about a Murray, Walker, Brown, White core with Samanic, Weatherspoon and Keldon Johnson ready to crack the rotation. Add LaMarcus on a bargain deal + Rudy Gay and Carroll to that and you got something going forward. Spurs then need to decide if they resign Forbes and Poeltl or let them walk (I'd rather trade Mills).


So hypothetically speaking if they waive Lyles and DeRozan opts out that frees up 32 million so they'd have about 38 million in cap space. They could easily sign Jaylen Brown and then maybe try to add Sabonis or Gallo as well. Then use bird rights on Murray to resign him.

There won't be a lot of suitors cause most franchises got their cap space tied up, that's the Spurs advantage next offseason

[ZeusWillJudge]

DeRozan is "only" due 27 million in his final year if he opts in. I think it's almost a given that he opts out to get one more pay day, especially in an offseason where there ain't a lot of great players on the market.

Teams like the Cavs, Hornets, Grizzlies, Kings and Knicks will have cap space and will be desperate to add a player like him. You can almost bank on the Knicks offering him a max deal given their history. The Raptors will also have a booming 52 million in cap space that offseason, so I could see them reuniting to stay competitive in a LeBron less East. They won't be good this season.

Even if he opts in, the Spurs could waive Lyles and move Mills who's on an expiring to free up 24 million.


If you want to ask me what I see, replace DeRozan with Jaylen Brown on this years squad and tell me if it improves the team.
Defense, 3-point shooting and spacing on offense would immediately improve while freeing up minutes for Walker at the guard spot. Brown is only 22 so he lines up with all the other young players we got. We would talk about a Murray, Walker, Brown, White core with Samanic, Weatherspoon and Keldon Johnson ready to crack the rotation. Add LaMarcus on a bargain deal + Rudy Gay and Carroll to that and you got something going forward. Spurs then need to decide if they resign Forbes and Poeltl or let them walk (I'd rather trade Mills).


So hypothetically speaking if they waive Lyles and DeRozan opts out that frees up 32 million so they'd have about 38 million in cap space. They could easily sign Jaylen Brown and then maybe try to add Sabonis or Gallo as well. Then use bird rights on Murray to resign him.

There won't be a lot of suitors cause most franchises got their cap space tied up, that's the Spurs advantage next offseason


I get all the cap stuff. I have a hard time thinking that DDR is going to get offered more than the $27M he would get from opting in with the Spurs, but maybe you're right. But if DeRozan is going to get a max deal, it's just more obvious that giving up picks (rookie contracts) is a bad move most of the time.

What I was asking is why you singled out Jaylen Brown specifically. I've never watched him that close, I guess. And lots of guys are better defenders and 3P shooters than DeRozan. Hell nearly everybody. I know people here don't like to admit that they don't know everything, but the Celtics were such a mess last year I hardly watched them at all. I was seriously asking why you like him, specifically, so much.

[Gibbz]

Na--at least DeRozan doesn't miss half of every season with injuries.

[spurspl]

DeRozan is "only" due 27 million in his final year if he opts in. I think it's almost a given that he opts out to get one more pay day, especially in an offseason where there ain't a lot of great players on the market.

Teams like the Cavs, Hornets, Grizzlies, Kings and Knicks will have cap space and will be desperate to add a player like him. You can almost bank on the Knicks offering him a max deal given their history. The Raptors will also have a booming 52 million in cap space that offseason, so I could see them reuniting to stay competitive in a LeBron less East. They won't be good this season.

Even if he opts in, the Spurs could waive Lyles and move Mills who's on an expiring to free up 24 million.


If you want to ask me what I see, replace DeRozan with Jaylen Brown on this years squad and tell me if it improves the team.
Defense, 3-point shooting and spacing on offense would immediately improve while freeing up minutes for Walker at the guard spot. Brown is only 22 so he lines up with all the other young players we got. We would talk about a Murray, Walker, Brown, White core with Samanic, Weatherspoon and Keldon Johnson ready to crack the rotation. Add LaMarcus on a bargain deal + Rudy Gay and Carroll to that and you got something going forward. Spurs then need to decide if they resign Forbes and Poeltl or let them walk (I'd rather trade Mills).


So hypothetically speaking if they waive Lyles and DeRozan opts out that frees up 32 million so they'd have about 38 million in cap space. They could easily sign Jaylen Brown and then maybe try to add Sabonis or Gallo as well. Then use bird rights on Murray to resign him.

There won't be a lot of suitors cause most franchises got their cap space tied up, that's the Spurs advantage next offseason

totally agree, make spurs roster younger and more competetive is the only right way but im afraid that patfo isnt so smart to make these moves.

[TheGreatYacht]

You guys are extremely disrespectful to DDR smh. Kevin Love? Really? What is this, 2013?

DeRozan is coming of one of the most efficient years of his career last year, especially in the playoffs. In only his first year here after spending his entire career in Toronto.

I’m even seeing that scrub Jaylen Brown being thrown in as someone we should trade for :lol he’s not even worth Mills money. He’s the most overrated player in the league and it isn’t close. Celtikkk fans and writers were against trading that scrub for Kawhi last summer. It’s the norm to hype up Boston scrubs for some reason. Just look at what Rozier is making this year and he’s worse than Patty. Let Ainge be forced to overpay a bench player, don’t reward him by gifting him a Kemba-Demar backcourt

[Seventyniner]

I get all the cap stuff. I have a hard time thinking that DDR is going to get offered more than the $27M he would get from opting in with the Spurs, but maybe you're right. But if DeRozan is going to get a max deal, it's just more obvious that giving up picks (rookie contracts) is a bad move most of the time.

DDR might take somewhat less in the first year of a new deal if it's for 4 years. Or a bad team with lots of cap space might throw a 3-year max at him, 4 if they're bidding against themselves.

[alpha_HaZE]

This is a trade that will probably look good for about a year. After that, not so much. He has a big contract and he is not getting any younger.

Also, we do not know what a year DeMar can do.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Other notable realistic free agent targets are Gallinari, Otto Porter, Domantas Sabonis and Buddy Hield.

LOL. Start an argument and it will go on for days. Ask a real question and crickets. I didn't see any reason to get excited about Jaylen Brown, and I still don't. But I guess I understand the logic.

I've had it stuck in my head for so long that nobody but the Spurs would throw max-ish money at DDR. But looking at who is going to be available, I guess it's possible. If that story above is true, Jaylen Brown is offended by 4/$80M - so I guess 4/$100M for DDR is a no-brainer. And $25M per would only be $2M less for next season and he'd have another $75M over the next three years. So, yeah, if he opts out that's a definite win for him. I guess Jaylen Brown is better than any other realistic possibility. I still can't say the idea thrills me, but at least he defends and hits 3's at an almost adequate rate.

If DDR is really opting out, and the only way to keep him is to hand him an even worse contract for four years, he needs to go sooner rather than later. An expiring and a pick would be a win. I'd trade him for Chandler Parsons (expiring) and Kevin Huerter, if they would throw in a pick.

[ragas]

Demar vs. Memphis 3/3 from behind the arc *lol*
you sure about Kevin Love?

[ismael-robert]

Yeah n its not just that he was 3/3 but the way he shot them looked effortless. He barely had ball in his hands n was letting it fly.

[RC_Drunkford]

LOL. Start an argument and it will go on for days. Ask a real question and crickets. I didn't see any reason to get excited about Jaylen Brown, and I still don't. But I guess I understand the logic.

I've had it stuck in my head for so long that nobody but the Spurs would throw max-ish money at DDR. But looking at who is going to be available, I guess it's possible. If that story above is true, Jaylen Brown is offended by 4/$80M - so I guess 4/$100M for DDR is a no-brainer. And $25M per would only be $2M less for next season and he'd have another $75M over the next three years. So, yeah, if he opts out that's a definite win for him. I guess Jaylen Brown is better than any other realistic possibility. I still can't say the idea thrills me, but at least he defends and hits 3's at an almost adequate rate.

If DDR is really opting out, and the only way to keep him is to hand him an even worse contract for four years, he needs to go sooner rather than later. An expiring and a pick would be a win. I'd trade him for Chandler Parsons (expiring) and Kevin Huerter, if they would throw in a pick.

I just can't see DeMar taking less especially with the Raptors and Knicks having that much cap space being desperate to add a star player. With that being said if he hits the 3 consistently the Spurs should look to extend him and I believe he would give them a discount. Anything under 30 million is cool with me

[CGD]

DeRozan is "only" due 27 million in his final year if he opts in. I think it's almost a given that he opts out to get one more pay day, especially in an offseason where there ain't a lot of great players on the market.

Teams like the Cavs, Hornets, Grizzlies, Kings and Knicks will have cap space and will be desperate to add a player like him. You can almost bank on the Knicks offering him a max deal given their history. The Raptors will also have a booming 52 million in cap space that offseason, so I could see them reuniting to stay competitive in a LeBron less East. They won't be good this season.

Even if he opts in, the Spurs could waive Lyles and move Mills who's on an expiring to free up 24 million.


If you want to ask me what I see, replace DeRozan with Jaylen Brown on this years squad and tell me if it improves the team.
Defense, 3-point shooting and spacing on offense would immediately improve while freeing up minutes for Walker at the guard spot. Brown is only 22 so he lines up with all the other young players we got. We would talk about a Murray, Walker, Brown, White core with Samanic, Weatherspoon and Keldon Johnson ready to crack the rotation. Add LaMarcus on a bargain deal + Rudy Gay and Carroll to that and you got something going forward. Spurs then need to decide if they resign Forbes and Poeltl or let them walk (I'd rather trade Mills).


So hypothetically speaking if they waive Lyles and DeRozan opts out that frees up 32 million so they'd have about 38 million in cap space. They could easily sign Jaylen Brown and then maybe try to add Sabonis or Gallo as well. Then use bird rights on Murray to resign him.

There won't be a lot of suitors cause most franchises got their cap space tied up, that's the Spurs advantage next offseason

I can see a world where the Celtics struggle out the gate and feel forced to shake things up to compete with Philly and Bucks. Jaylen drama, another Hayward injury, pressure on the coach, etc. The spurs will have their own pressures— future of their “stars” and glut of small guards.

In that world why not a deal structured around DDR + White + asset(s) for Hayward + Brown?

White feels like the odd man out; one year of Hayward (yes at more $$), but not impacting future space too much. Future upside for Cs too.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

hayward what why

[RC_Drunkford]

I can see a world where the Celtics struggle out the gate and feel forced to shake things up to compete with Philly and Bucks. Jaylen drama, another Hayward injury, pressure on the coach, etc. The spurs will have their own pressures— future of their “stars” and glut of small guards.

In that world why not a deal structured around DDR + White + asset(s) for Hayward + Brown?

White feels like the odd man out; one year of Hayward (yes at more $$), but not impacting future space too much. Future upside for Cs too.

I wouldn't do that deal, DeRozan is better than Hayward, especially if he shoots the 3 well. Also the Spurs need to keep their rookie contracts just to keep the salary cap balanced. I wouldn't move White at all. Shit I don't even think I would trade Samanic for Sabonis. More than a PG the Celtics need a Center, so I'd involve Poeltl in something. Other than that I'd say wait til the offseason and see where you want to go with it. There's also the possibility of getting Brown while keeping DeRozan. Spurs got options

[TheGoatishere]

its obvious that kevin is better than ddr, but hes overpaid, old and signing him we aint change our future. PATFO should seek a trade that include some picks or young players or just let ddr go and sign a FA. Jaylen brown or hield would be a perfect fit. If it happens i could forget about all these shitty moves that patfo did.

Love isn’t better at all.:lol

[CGD]

I wouldn't do that deal, DeRozan is better than Hayward, especially if he shoots the 3 well. Also the Spurs need to keep their rookie contracts just to keep the salary cap balanced. I wouldn't move White at all. Shit I don't even think I would trade Samanic for Sabonis. More than a PG the Celtics need a Center, so I'd involve Poeltl in something. Other than that I'd say wait til the offseason and see where you want to go with it. There's also the possibility of getting Brown while keeping DeRozan. Spurs got options

To be clear I don’t want Hayward either, the prize would be Brown. Cs would likely want Spurs to eat what has really turned out to be one of the worst deals in the league. At least you know what you get from DDR.

[Genovaswitness]

Love isn’t better at all.:lol

He can space the floors, rebound, and has a pretty good passing game. better than fucktard psycho demar