Per Shams, Spurs and Dejounte Murray agree to 4-year, $64M extension

[MoSpur02]

To an extension worth $64 million.

[BatManu20]

Fully guaranteed. Nice.

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[r0drig0lac]

amazing

[Big P]

Nice...seems about right.

[Ron Swanson]

I’ll take it. Let’s roll.

[r0drig0lac]

will be one of the best cost-benefit of the league in less than two seasons

[joeyjfive]

Hell yeah

[Genovaswitness]

Absolute fucking steal

[BatManu20]

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[monty4329]

Maybe a bit on the steep side, but a good contract. DDR can't ask for more, now.

[timtonymanu]

Great news.

[MoSpur02]

I think it's a great deal for both sides.

[BatManu20]

This is is a major W by PATFO. Especially when you look at Jaylen Brown and Sabonis’ contracts.

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[DJR210]

and a BIG FUCK YOU TO KLUTCH and LeBitch

[BWS-1994]

Jaylen Brown, Buddy Hield, Domantas Sabonis... most of these recently re-signed guys have attached achievement bonuses. I wonder if Dejounte also has said attchments?

[itzsoweezee]

Great deal. Now move DeRozan and commit to the youth movement already

[FkLA]

Big props to IB for the hometown discount. :tu

[DPG21920]

:lol Not making much more than Mills

[timvp]

I'm happy. Right around what I thought he was worth. Great job Spurs and congrats to Murray :tu

[exstatic]

and a BIG FUCK YOU TO KLUTCH and LeBitch

Uh, this doesn't happen without Rich Paul's buy in. He's recommended that players turn down extensions and go into into RFA on many occasions. This may have actually been a solid done to PATFO after the Morris disaster.

[TheGreatYacht]

Amazing deal by PATFO 10/10, shoutout to Rich Paul as well for not making us sell a kidney.

Hope this isn’t the appetizer before they drop the DeRozan super max bomb

[Seventyniner]

Hell yeah.

[Fireball]

Awesome. Hope he has a great season!

[timvp]

This may have actually been a solid done to PATFO after the Morris disaster.

Probably. Paranoid Spurs fans think Klutch is out to get 'em but the truth is Marcus Morris screwed over Klutch and the Spurs. In order to regain trust, Klutch needs to show they are willing to work with teams -- even small market teams.

Well done.

[offset formation]

Come on now for Poeltl....

[SPURt]

First off, awesome! Glad the Spurs were able to get a deal done. I wonder if this deal will look as good if the cap shrinks thanks to China being babies about a tweet?

[Prime BEEF]

Great deal. Now move DeRozan and commit to the youth movement already

[Tbirdy1012]

First off, awesome! Glad the Spurs were able to get a deal done. I wonder if this deal will look as good if the cap shrinks thanks to China being babies about a tweet?


It will, because it will be compared to other deals made during the same time, and it's just a plain good deal. We can't structure a deal for something that may or may not happen in the future, Murray likely wouldn't have accepted something below current market value for a what if. This was a good deal for both sides. Murray gets $ security, Spurs get a very team friendly deal if Murray makes the jump from good defensive player to a true cog in a big 3.

[DPG21920]

What a life changing moment for Dejounte. So happy for him. This changes everything for him and his family and even if he busts he’s secure the rest of his life. Incredible.

[Mugen]

What a life changing moment for Dejounte. So happy for him. This changes everything for him and his family and even if he busts he’s secure the rest of his life. Incredible.

It really does. He can probably get Jilly back now tbh.

[BatManu20]

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[Robz4000]

Good shit. About time PATFO had a W on the contract side of things, and Murray is set for life.

[Budkin]

Finally some good front office news!

[Mugen]

Woj reporting that the first person on the phone to congratulate DJ was Marcus Morris.

[GAustex]

Great deal. Now move DeRozan and commit to the youth movement already

[BatManu20]

It really does. He can probably get Jilly back now tbh.

Na she’s too busy fucking Deshaun Watson now tbh.


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[Dre_7]

Great deal. Now move DeRozan and commit to the youth movement already

Really?? Without even seeing how he plays with Dejounte? Or how he improves in his 2nd year with the Spurs? Moving him for a youth movement now means most likely missing the playoffs

[SAGirl]

Grats to both parties. Glad to have him locked up. Hopefully he continues to stay healthy and grow up as a player.

[szkorhetz]

Woj reporting that the first person on the phone to congratulate DJ was Marcus Morris.
Clown.

[R. DeMurre]

That is a great contract for the Spurs.

[BatManu20]

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[Mugen]

Na she’s too busy fucking Deshaun Watson now tbh.


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Can't knock the hustle, good for her tbh.

[TDomination]

Awesome!!!

[SAGirl]

Uh, this doesn't happen without Rich Paul's buy in. He's recommended that players turn down extensions and go into into RFA on many occasions. This may have actually been a solid done to PATFO after the Morris disaster.
Thought the same. I think both parties wanted to get this done but Klutch could have pushed for a wait and see approach. Glad this is taken care of.

[phxspurfan]

Well earned and reasonable.

[Joseph Kony]

Nice, great deal. sets a precedent for White's extension also

[Dejounte]

Hopefully team friendly deals with Poetl and Derozan too

[szkorhetz]

Imagine having Murray, White and Leonard all locked up for long-term..

How amazingly different this franchise and the future would look like.

[baseline bum]

Wow, that's pretty fucking cheap for a starting point guard who was All NBA 2nd team defense two years ago. Happy to have Dejounte signed here for five years.

[jeebus]

Maybe a bit on the steep side, but a good contract. DDR can't ask for more, now.
Naw. We're seeing more and more contracts where players are getting 30-35+ million per year. 16 million a year is just about right.

[r0drig0lac]

It really does. He can probably get Jilly back now tbh.
lmao

[DJR210]

I wonder if there is a fourth year player option with a deal this team friendly..


Uh, this doesn't happen without Rich Paul's buy in. He's recommended that players turn down extensions and go into into RFA on many occasions. This may have actually been a solid done to PATFO after the Morris disaster.

I know, but fuck em anyway.

[GB20]

Nice!! Good job on both sides.

[DPG21920]

I also hope that our new GM is worth a damn. I know Pop still calls the shots, but hopefully he can make a deal and move Beli and/or Mills. At least Beli. For an asset.

Free up the space/minutes to go to the younger more upside guys and build this team the right way. Good start with Dejounte extension and no DeRozan extension. But let’s see what he does in-season as there is definitely a chance here to get out of neutral some.

Either add to the team or get assets and start to go truly young.

[Dverde]

Smart on both sides. Get your money Dejounte! I can’t believe this number after I saw that Buddy Hield deal.

[spurspl]

nice deal escpecially when u compare this to mills contract XD

[Dverde]

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Better get that contract signed before the Knicks come calling.

[spurraider21]

and a BIG FUCK YOU TO KLUTCH and LeBitch
its a fuck you to klutch by signing a klutch player?

[timvp]

Good start with Dejounte extension and no DeRozan extension.

Damn, bro, don't jinx that. Still 30 minutes to go ....

[timvp]

Better get that contract signed before the Knicks come calling.

:lol Yeah, first thing I thought of when I saw that tweet was the graphic Klutch released of Morris in a Spurs uniform.

[gambit1990]

really great deal for the spurs. surprised how low it is tbh.

[John B]

Solid sign. Let’s continue the winning tradition

[spurraider21]

iirc chinook was projecting murray getting the max... really glad he agreed to this deal tbh, awesome value :tu

[BillMc]

good news. Congrats to DJ. If he's smart with his money, he's set for life. And Spurs are set for the next 5 years.

[Play Boban]

To an extension worth $64 million.
Overpaid scrub.

[LittleCriminal]

Per Wojanarski : D. MURRAY has rescinded the spurs offer and signs a 1 year 15 mill deal with New York..

[cd021]

Nice, great deal. sets a precedent for White's extension also
$10 million less than Murray, sounds about right

[Dejounte]

When is the deadline for extensions

[GAustex]

Per Wojanarski : D. MURRAY has rescinded the spurs offer and signs a 1 year 15 mill deal with New York..

Ban this man

[Dennis the Menace]

Fully guaranteed. Nice.

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Per Rich Paul from ESPN article, bonuses can push it to $70 million

[BillMc]

Now, it will be interesting to see what they do with White next year. Does he get an extension too and for how much?

Some factors:

1. White will be 26 by then. This will be the only "big" contract he can sign in his twenties and physical prime.
2. Spurs seem to view him as a backup. What does that mean in terms of money?
3. He doesn't have the injury history DJ had.
4. White is possibly closer to his ceiling than DJ.

[BatManu20]

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[timvp]

When is the deadline for extensions

Ten minutes.

[timvp]

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Brian Wright doing work :tu

[Joseph Kony]

please no Demar max extension news. just a little longer....

[BatManu20]

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[NASpurs]

Damn, bro, don't jinx that. Still 30 minutes to go ....

6 minutes now

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[SpurPadre]

With the discount, it just hammers home the point that Murray is proud to be a Spur and legitimately enjoys playing in San Antonio. Good shit, PATFO and to our new Chosen One!!!!

[BillMc]

Looking like Jakob will be an RFA.

[BatManu20]

Remember this tweet from Dejounte back in May, responding to someone who posted a (since deleted) tweet saying that Dejounte was going to go to the Lakers now that he had signed with Klutch. He wasn’t lying.


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[NASpurs]

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[r0drig0lac]

Remember this tweet from Dejounte back in May, responding to someone who posted a (since deleted) tweet saying that Dejounte was going to go to the Lakers now after he signed with Klutch. He wasn’t lying.


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THE LEADER

[timvp]

Looking like Jakob will be an RFA.

Yeah, Spurs don't have much motivation to offer him a contract starting at more than $5 million and he doesn't have much motivation to sign it. Probably best for both sides to wait until next summer.

[NASpurs]

Thanks Jeff

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[NASpurs]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ddxMEXGiebee6C3bea/giphy.gif

[spin8]

No DeRozan extension - thank you!

(also this deal is fine)

[timvp]

Now, it will be interesting to see what they do with White next year. Does he get an extension too and for how much?

Some factors:

1. White will be 26 by then. This will be the only "big" contract he can sign in his twenties and physical prime.
2. Spurs seem to view him as a backup. What does that mean in terms of money?
3. He doesn't have the injury history DJ had.
4. White is possibly closer to his ceiling than DJ.

Yes, this will be really interesting. If he were a free agent this summer, his value would probably be in the $80 million range. But if he actually spends a season as strictly a backup point guard, his value will drop.

Early to say but that could be some tricky negotiating next summer. Even more complex than Murray, which was already really complex due to his missed season.

[timvp]

No DeRozan extension - thank you!

(also this deal is fine)

I'm waiting to exhale until Woj or Shams says no deal. With these things, you only need to start the process before 6 p.m. ET ... could still be another 30 minutes for all the deals to be announced.

[koriwhat]

fuck yes! DJ is going to make plenty of fans this season if he can stay healthy. time to shine!

[NASpurs]

:lol Not making much more than Mills

That's gotta be a sobering thought for a lot of people... everyone except for Patty who got his.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Overpaid scrub.It's funny how most on this forum act like Murray, White and Walker are proven all stars that have been in a bunch of all star games and have won numerous awards. Murray is better than Leonard, Walker averages 28 points a game, White is Ginobili.

[GusT15]

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I don't care that he got his ass whooped from an NFL player over an IG thot and he seems immature.

I want Malik Beasley on the Spurs.Do it RC! Or the new guy. Or Pop.

Whoever is in charge,do it.

[Joseph Kony]

I don't care that he got his ass whooped from an NFL player over an IG thot and he seems immature.

I want Malik Beasley on the Spurs.Do it RC! Or the new guy. Or Pop.

Whoever is in charge,do it.
i think we're good on guards dude. we needs forwards

[SAGirl]

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So so glad that Dejounte won’t be a RFA tbh. No chance now to screw this up.

[Dex]

I'm waiting to exhale until Woj or Shams says no deal. With these things, you only need to start the process before 6 p.m. ET ... could still be another 30 minutes for all the deals to be announced.

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[BatManu20]

PATFO :tu

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[GusT15]

i think we're good on guards dude. we needs forwards

I was thinking of him more like a Forbes replacement at the 2,small ball SF.
I'm high on the kid but obviously he's gonna be too expensive in RFA.

[sasaint]

Well earned and reasonable.

Not so well earned, but a very reasonable bet on Dijon and his future. He is the absolute best hope for leadership the Spurs have in the current vacuum. I believe that is why Pop is so high on him - and with good reason. I hope he lives up to his promise as a leader and becomes a true star and the face of the franchise.

[Dex]

Great deal for Murray and the Spurs.

For Murray, he gets a great deal considering he is mostly unproven and coming off a major injury.

For the Spurs, this will be a discount if Murray continues his current projection and rises to the level he seems to be aiming for.

For both sides, no wonders or doubt hanging over the entire season...go out and earn that money, DJ

[timvp]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/32mC2kXYWCsg0/giphy.gif

Tbh :lol

[timtonymanu]

Thanks Jeff

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That Jeff. Always on top of things.

[timtonymanu]

That's gotta be a sobering thought for a lot of people... everyone except for Patty who got his.

B-b-but he’s not making as much as some other better players. Lol Mannyisafaggot

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Great Job TIMVP! You're correct. Always love your analysis!

[spurspl]

now lets go get ingram PATFO

[Dennis the Menace]

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Add Bogdan Bogdanovic to the list

[DJR210]

its a fuck you to klutch by signing a klutch player?

Yes

[BatManu20]

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[TimDunkem]

B-b-but he’s not making as much as some other better players. Lol Mannyisafaggot

Lol Playing a third string pg as a backup and paying him as much as your starter.

[TD 21]

:tu It's still unclear what his ceiling is, but unless he suffers another significant injury, there's almost no way this doesn't turn out to be a team friendly contract. Even if he tops out as something like a low end starter, it's a fair deal. Anything above that and it's a bargain.



Great Job TIMVP! You're correct. Always love your analysis!

Unless you're referring to the timing (which makes no sense, because this time of year is extension season and obviously they'd have been better served trying to leverage his injury/relative lack of body of work), he wasn't . . . though to be fair, he didn't make a prediction, he made a prognostication.

He said $50-60M, but it came in at $64M, with bonuses that could push it to $70M . . . as usual, I was right.

[99 Problems]

:lobt2:

[cd021]

-Spurs get Murray locked in four 4 years, fully guaranteed.

-No DeMar extension

Today was a good day.

[Dverde]

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Better get that contract signed before the Knicks come calling.

[Budkin]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/32mC2kXYWCsg0/giphy.gif

One of the all-time best gifs.

[Dverde]

Smart on both sides. Get your money Dejounte! I can’t believe this number after I saw that Buddy Hield deal.

[Mugen]

Haven't ruled out Derozan not getting an extension until somebody reports it tbh. The Spurs not offering him one would definitely seem noteworthy so the silence about it post-deadline is a little concerning.

[spurraider21]

-Spurs get Murray locked in four 4 years, fully guaranteed.

-No DeMar extension

Today was a good day.
:tu

[Dex]

Haven't ruled out Derozan not getting an extension until somebody reports it tbh. The Spurs not offering him one would definitely seem noteworthy so the silence about it post-deadline is a little concerning.

Woj just announced an extension for Ingles like 5 minutes ago...

We aren't in the clear yet.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-DeMar and think he deserves a 2nd year with a healthy squad to really prove how he can fit.

But extending him now makes absolutely no sense, especially at the price he would be demanding.

[Dverde]

Celtics gave Jaylen Brown 4 years/115 Million :lol

[Dex]

Celtics gave Jaylen Brown 4 years/115 Million :lol

Massive overpay. I was interested for him on the Spurs, but not at that salary...yeesh

[Mugen]

Woj just announced an extension for Ingles like 5 minutes ago...

We aren't in the clear yet.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-DeMar and think he deserves a 2nd year with a healthy squad to really prove how he can fit.

But extending him now makes absolutely no sense, especially at the price he would be demanding.

Yeah - the Ingles tweet was what prompted my post. I really hope there's no late announcement.

[timvp]

Yeah - the Ingles tweet was what prompted my post. I really hope there's no late announcement.

DeRozan not getting an extension would be noteworthy enough for someone like Woj or Shams (or Jeff [:lol]) to find out specifically, I'd imagine.

[Chomag]

I've been pretty negative on our FO for a few years but this is a very good deal they pulled off.

[Russ]

The guys on NBA Radio called this the biggest bargain of today's signings.

[timvp]

The guys on NBA Radio called this the biggest bargain of today's signings.

Hield's looks good compared to the others.

:lol @ Boston for the Jaylen Brown deal

[Dhbsr555]

This is a steal .. Murray could of easily got the max next summer

[Killakobe81]

It will, because it will be compared to other deals made during the same time, and it's just a plain good deal. We can't structure a deal for something that may or may not happen in the future, Murray likely wouldn't have accepted something below current market value for a what if. This was a good deal for both sides. Murray gets $ security, Spurs get a very team friendly deal if Murray makes the jump from good defensive player to a true cog in a big 3.

Such a great smart deal on both sides...
BROWN, Hield and Sabonis not so much...

[Uriel]

Probably. Paranoid Spurs fans think Klutch is out to get 'em but the truth is Marcus Morris screwed over Klutch and the Spurs. In order to regain trust, Klutch needs to show they are willing to work with teams -- even small market teams.

Well done.
You said 50-60 million and we gave him 64. It’s above your maximum projection. Not much of a solid.

[tonight...you]

You said 50-60 million and we gave him 64. It’s above your maximum projection. Not much of a solid.
Eh... still solid.

[Mugen]

DeRozan not getting an extension would be noteworthy enough for someone like Woj or Shams (or Jeff [:lol]) to find out specifically, I'd imagine.

Just tell me it's okay to stop being worried tbh :lol

[Mugen]

You said 50-60 million and we gave him 64. It’s above your maximum projection. Not much of a solid.

My dude, did you see what other people got? This is probably the best contract the PATFO has had this decade :lol

[Chinook]

DeRozan not getting an extension would be noteworthy enough for someone like Woj or Shams (or Jeff [:lol]) to find out specifically, I'd imagine.


Woj just announced an extension for Ingles like 5 minutes ago...

We aren't in the clear yet.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-DeMar and think he deserves a 2nd year with a healthy squad to really prove how he can fit.

But extending him now makes absolutely no sense, especially at the price he would be demanding.


Haven't ruled out Derozan not getting an extension until somebody reports it tbh. The Spurs not offering him one would definitely seem noteworthy so the silence about it post-deadline is a little concerning.


I've been wondering if the CBA changed, but from what I have read, it hasn't.


Extensions to contracts that are not rookie scale contracts (i.e., veteran extensions) may be signed up to June 30, the day before the player would have become a free agent.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

DeRozan was never on a timer for an extension. They can wait until 06/30 to do one, just like Houston did with Paul. This is bad for those who want DeMar gone, but it's good for those who are open to an extension and want to see if he's improved. Personally, I expect them to get something done with him this year.

[AussieFanKurt]

PATFO :tu

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Great contracts for Sabonis and Murray...

:lol Celtics....

[ginobilized]

My faith in humanity is temporarily restored. Thanks PATFO!

[Dex]

I've been wondering if the CBA changed, but from what I have read, it hasn't.



http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

DeRozan was never on a timer for an extension. They can wait until 06/30 to do one, just like Houston did with Paul. This is bad for those who want DeMar gone, but it's good for those who are open to an extension and want to see if he's improved. Personally, I expect them to get something done with him this year.

Thanks Chinook. I had assumed from this thread that his deadline was tonight, but perhaps that's not the case...which makes sense considering the radio silence we've heard since the last report that it was being "discussed".

I'm fine with the Spurs extending the DaMar on two conditions...that he can prove he is a fit for the system, and as long as it doesn't interfere with the 2021 plan.

[FkLA]

PATFO :tu

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I'm surprised that JMurray contract has flown so under the radar. That's a complete albatross of a contract for such a scrub.

IB > JMurray

[timvp]

I've been wondering if the CBA changed, but from what I have read, it hasn't.



http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

DeRozan was never on a timer for an extension. They can wait until 06/30 to do one, just like Houston did with Paul. This is bad for those who want DeMar gone, but it's good for those who are open to an extension and want to see if he's improved. Personally, I expect them to get something done with him this year.

Shiiiii ... that is what the link says. Good find. Looks like a lot more sweating on the horizon :lol

But, yeah, if that's the case, it's not bad news. They can wait to see how it's working out with Dejounte in the mix before they make a decision.

[Mugen]

I've been wondering if the CBA changed, but from what I have read, it hasn't.



http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

DeRozan was never on a timer for an extension. They can wait until 06/30 to do one, just like Houston did with Paul. This is bad for those who want DeMar gone, but it's good for those who are open to an extension and want to see if he's improved. Personally, I expect them to get something done with him this year.

:lol Fuck

[Genovaswitness]

I hope demar tears his Achilles so we don’t sign his bum ass tbh

[CGD]

^ good find

Still, curious how many players have signed the extension after the season starts (and before it ends). Feels like this was a de facto “deadline.” Both team and player have many incentives to wait it out: Spurs are lukewarm on a big long term deal; DDR knows he’ll be the only real “star” on the market this summer.

[CGD]

I hope demar tears his Achilles so we don’t sign his bum ass tbh

Damn that’s cold son

[Dverde]

Now we can look forward to complaining about Forbes contract next summer!

[CGD]

Now we can look forward to complaining about Forbes contract next summer!

I have no sense of what his market is. Dude has a skill in demand, and is a good worker. I can see him getting way more than Jakob

[daslicer]

Hoping this can be a Curry like deal in the sense he he outplays the value of his contract much like Curry did when he signed his first big deal at low value due to injuries.

[Chinook]

^ good find

Still, curious how many players have signed the extension after the season starts (and before it ends). Feels like this was a de facto “deadline.” Both team and player have many incentives to wait it out: Spurs are lukewarm on a big long term deal; DDR knows he’ll be the only real “star” on the market this summer.

It's not really that rare per capita, but the number of players with whom it makes sense is low. Most stars avoid extensions because they want to play the market, and most guys who aren't good enough to play the market that way don't warrant that future investment. But it does happen. The most recent in-season Spurs extension I can recall is Manu in 2009-2010. But Covington, Chris Paul and Nurkic are more recent examples from other teams.

[Down Under]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1186432329369247745

[RC_Drunkford]

great value deal. Gotta say Brian Wright has made some good moves, even the move to sign Marcus Morris was great until Morris decided to play for the Knicks :pctoss

I'm curious to see what he can do at the deadline

[LittleCriminal]

Ban this man

How dare you assume my gender!!

[SAGirl]

I've been wondering if the CBA changed, but from what I have read, it hasn't.



http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

DeRozan was never on a timer for an extension. They can wait until 06/30 to do one, just like Houston did with Paul. This is bad for those who want DeMar gone, but it's good for those who are open to an extension and want to see if he's improved. Personally, I expect them to get something done with him this year.
Saw a tweet about this and shared it in the DeRozan thread. Deadline for DeMar is 6/30 next year

[GAustex]

How dare you assume my gender!!
Well played and my apologies

[FkLA]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1186432329369247745

Wombat coming in at the end, putting in the work to get his lifetime contract. :lol

[timvp]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1186432329369247745

Wombat coming in at the end, putting in the work to get his lifetime contract. :lol

Good stuff. Congrats to Dejounte for beating the incredibly slim odds :tu







And it's good to see that RC is still involved. Hadn't seen him around much recently.

[ace3g]

Was just about to post this - no way is Patty getting traded now - he's the hype man for contract signings...


https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1186432329369247745

Wombat coming in at the end, putting in the work to get his lifetime contract. :lol

[GusT15]

I hope demar tears his Achilles so we don’t sign his bum ass tbh

Think again.
If DeMar gets injured he's opting in so we're stuck with him until 2021.

Then during his rehab he mentions how helpful the Spurs have been and how they are the model franchise for every sports team and the Spurs reward him with a 4/80 loyalty contract.

There's only one way out of this.
DeRozan has a career year,he's so damn good that he buys into his hype,bets on himself and opts out.Then another desperate team offers him a max deal and he signs elsewhere.

So,you have to root for DeRozan this year!

[XDT76]

A good contract for the Spurs, I thought Klutch would have pushed for something around $90M. I guess they realise Murray needs more development from the Spurs and aim for a big contract after this one.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/1186444579035402241

[TheGreatYacht]

Thanks Jeff

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“Just checked my phone and saw Shams confirm it. Four years, $64-million on the extension”

[sasaint]

Think again.
If DeMar gets injured he's opting in so we're stuck with him until 2021.

Then during his rehab he mentions how helpful the Spurs have been and how they are the model franchise for every sports team and the Spurs reward him with a 4/80 loyalty contract.

There's only one way out of this.
DeRozan has a career year,he's so damn good that he buys into his hype,bets on himself and opts out.Then another desperate team offers him a max deal and he signs elsewhere.

So,you have to root for DeRozan this year!

Not an unlikely scenario; however, as long as he wears silver and black I would have rooted for him any way.

[superbigtime]

FinAlly a good contract

[BSfromTX]

Notice LOYALTY in all caps. Nice little shout out to nephew

[FkLA]

Nephew signed an extension too. I mean I hope he remains loyal to the Spurs, but this doesn't make him more loyal than Neph or prove that he'll always stick around. If he really blows up there's no telling what he'll do for his next (in his prime) contract, tbh.

[raybies]

:tu It's still unclear what his ceiling is, but unless he suffers another significant injury, there's almost no way this doesn't turn out to be a team friendly contract. Even if he tops out as something like a low end starter, it's a fair deal. Anything above that and it's a bargain.




Unless you're referring to the timing (which makes no sense, because this time of year is extension season and obviously they'd have been better served trying to leverage his injury/relative lack of body of work), he wasn't . . . though to be fair, he didn't make a prediction, he made a prognostication.

He said $50-60M, but it came in at $64M, with bonuses that could push it to $70M . . . as usual, I was right.

Look TD 21, we all know you are the real brains of Spurstalk and trust me when I say we all feel a little smarter when you bless us with your knowledge, but let LJ have his lil victory. He may of been on to something.

[spurraider21]

DeRozan not getting an extension would be noteworthy enough for someone like Woj or Shams (or Jeff [:lol]) to find out specifically, I'd imagine.
his getting an extension would also be noteworthy enough to get picked up considering it would almost certainly be 100 mil+

[ZeusWillJudge]

:lol Not making much more than Mills

Oh, that's just so sick.

[BillMc]

How much did DJ get on his shoe contract? With that and this contract, if he's smart with his money, he's set for life at 23.

Props to him man. Love his attitude.

[Mugen]

How much did DJ get on his shoe contract? With that and this contract, if he's smart with his money, he's set for life at 23.

Props to him man. Love his attitude.

The real smart move was losing that Insta-hoe tbh, hopefully he gets that prenup if/when the time comes :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

How much did DJ get on his shoe contract? With that and this contract, if he's smart with his money, he's set for life at 23.

Props to him man. Love his attitude.


LOL. $64M isn't enough?

Besides, it's his next shoe deal that's really going to be big.

[BillMc]

The real smart move was losing that Insta-hoe tbh, hopefully he gets that prenup if/when the time comes :lol

Coach Timmy should give all young players a cautionary tale on the needs of prenups.

[Mugen]

Coach Timmy should give all young players a cautionary tale on the needs of prenups.

:lol Great point tbh.

[BillMc]

LOL. $64M isn't enough?

Besides, it's his next shoe deal that's really going to be big.

Sure, its enough if he's smart with his cash. But we all know the stories...

[BillMc]

:lol Great point tbh.
:bobo

[BillMc]

:lol Not making much more than Mills

White should be thrilled that Spurs have a history of over-paying backup point guards. Especially ones with a good attitude.

[Dverde]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/dlbicr/dejounte_to_rc_buford_thanks_for_taking_a_big/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmfhttps://i.imgur.com/lQd6nDW_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[look_at_g_shred]

When D.J. was drafted, I can’t remember if it was pop or rc but Murray said they told him, we want to make you great like kawhi. I don’t know if he can get there but he definitely believes he can be great. He doesn’t seem to have that loser mentality (Aldridge/derozan) Damn I wish he could just cut those two outright. Murray has that fire that this team has been lacking since TD/Manu left. I’m looking forward to watching him play this year. Congrats D.J.

[Arcadian]

For a guy who's just returning from a year-long injury, and who's a defensive specialist in a shooter's league, he couldn't expect any more.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[HanoverSpurs]

Nephew signed an extension too. I mean I hope he remains loyal to the Spurs, but this doesn't make him more loyal than Neph or prove that he'll always stick around. If he really blows up there's no telling what he'll do for his next (in his prime) contract, tbh.

Dude-- you don't get people. Are you not paying attention to what Dejounte has been saying for the last two years. He gets it -- He's a SPUR

[spurspl]

For a guy who's just returning from a year-long injury, and who's a defensive specialist in a shooter's league, he couldn't expect any more.

thats the point, i really dont understand those who thinks he should be paid more. Compering him to f.e hield or brown is ridicoulous. Brown has shown that he can be a great player and carry the team during the PO, hield has definetely better stats than murray and his contract is only slightly bigger than murray.

[tbdog]

What about nuggets Murray. White essentially out played him and nuggets dished out a Max.

[Nathan89]

Saved money for a new Patty contract.

[r0drig0lac]

Saved money for a new Patty contract.

this

[RC_Drunkford]

Saved money for a new Patty contract.

Bryn Forbes

[duncan2k5]

and a BIG FUCK YOU TO KLUTCH and LeBitch

Huh? They negotiated the deal... DJ thanked them on IG... what are u talking about?

[Genovaswitness]

this is the start of the post kawhi redemption...tbh Murray is gonna lead this team to a ship by the end of this contract or midway through the next one. he’s only 23!

[JPB]

What a life changing moment for Dejounte. So happy for him. This changes everything for him and his family and even if he busts he’s secure the rest of his life. Incredible.

Are you a relative or what?

It's incredible cos even if he busts, yoowhoo, he's set for life anyway! So happy!

Good for him but do you think he cares about your and your family's future? Hell, he already made more on his 2 years contract than what everyone will make in their entire life, not to mention endorsements and whatnots.

It's about basketball and what this contract means for the SPURS future that we only care here. And it won't be incredible and SPURS fans won't still be happy for his family if he busts.

[BD24]

Absolute fucking steal
This tbh

[picnroll]

Six facts for certain next free agency:

Next years free agents are sheit.
Tons of bottom feeder teams are going to have tons of money to spend with nowhere to spend it.
DeRozan is going to get VERY BIG offers and Spurs will have to pay a lot to sign him.
Forbes is going to get big offers and Spurs will have to pay to sign him.
Spurstalk fan will will be bitching large.

Bonus fact. Murray was a GREAT signing.

... and I’d trade DeRozan but highly, highly doubt Spurs will. Maybe if Walker busts out early.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Dude-- you don't get people. Are you not paying attention to what Dejounte has been saying for the last two years. He gets it -- He's a SPUR

he’s talking the talk for sure

even if he decides to go elsewhere in 3-4 years, so far from what we’ve seen from him, at least he is unlikely to set fire to the place and piss all over it on his way out like a certain someone did

[Brazil]

I'm happy. Right around what I thought he was worth. Great job Spurs and congrats to Murray :tu

you got it right... great call ! :tu

[bigfan]

A good deal for all concerned. Onward and upward.

[BatManu20]

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[acoelho1]

You guys have become so paranoid after the Kawhi drama. Before Leonard, our stars stayed and I fully expect Murray to be a Spur for life. Also, this contract is going to look even better after we see him play this year. All signs point to him having a big year with stardom being around the corner.

[phxspurfan]

Six facts for certain next free agency:

Next years free agents are sheit.
Tons of bottom feeder teams are going to have tons of money to spend with nowhere to spend it.
DeRozan is going to get VERY BIG offers and Spurs will have to pay a lot to sign him.
Forbes is going to get big offers and Spurs will have to pay to sign him.
Spurstalk fan will will be bitching large.

Bonus fact. Murray was a GREAT signing.

... and I’d trade DeRozan but highly, highly doubt Spurs will. Maybe if Walker busts out early.

With the logjam at guard, Forbes is gone next year.

[DPG21920]

Are you a relative or what?

It's incredible cos even if he busts, yoowhoo, he's set for life anyway! So happy!

Good for him but do you think he cares about your and your family's future? Hell, he already made more on his 2 years contract than what everyone will make in their entire life, not to mention endorsements and whatnots.

It's about basketball and what this contract means for the SPURS future that we only care here. And it won't be incredible and SPURS fans won't still be happy for his family if he busts.

Lol you

[picnroll]

With the logjam at guard, Forbes is gone next year.

Right now, with the loss of Bertans, Forbes is the only reliable floor spacer unless you count Mills. I bet he stays with the Spurs at a price a lot of Spurstalk posters bitch about and the Spurs ride out Mills contract.

[TD 21]

Right now, with the loss of Bertans, Forbes is the only reliable floor spacer unless you count Mills. I bet he stays with the Spurs at a price a lot of Spurstalk posters bitch about and the Spurs ride out Mills contract.

Not only that, but he's about as Spursy as American millenials get. I'd be shocked if he weren't re-signed.

Barring the unforeseen development of at least 2 of DeRozan, Murray, White and Walker, becoming solid volume 3-point shooters in short order, I expect DeRozan or White to eventually be moved. It's possible Murray's head get's too big and alters this, but White's lack of confidence is a more pressing concern.

[GusT15]

Right now, with the loss of Bertans, Forbes is the only reliable floor spacer unless you count Mills. I bet he stays with the Spurs at a price a lot of Spurstalk posters bitch about and the Spurs ride out Mills contract.

It's too early to start a debate on how much is a fair price for Forbes and i don't think we could be fair towards him without getting at least a sample of how he's performing this year.

On the other hand i could say a priori that i think a fair price for him is half of what Chinook says he's worth and i'll be pretty close to being accurate!

[exstatic]

Bryn Forbes was #9 in the NBA in 3G% (.426), and the Spurs paid him $3M. In a league that values nothing so much as a 3 pointer, he's going to make a LOT more than that next summer, like 3,4 times that amount.

[RC_Drunkford]

Bryn Forbes was #9 in the NBA in 3G% (.426), and the Spurs paid him $3M. In a league that values nothing so much as a 3 pointer, he's going to make a LOT more than that next summer, like 3,4 times that amount.

that's still less than what Mills is being paid

[timvp]

If Forbes plays like he did in the preseason in the regular season, it'd take like $80 million to re-sign him.

:lol @ imagining that Spurs fan meltdown

[GusT15]

If Forbes plays like he did in the preseason in the regular season, it'd take like $80 million to re-sign him.

:lol @ imagining that Spurs fan meltdown

https://media.giphy.com/media/v0eHX3n28wvoQ/giphy.gif

[Dex]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v0eHX3n28wvoQ/giphy.gif

:lol

[Mugen]

If Forbes plays like he did in the preseason in the regular season, it'd take like $80 million to re-sign him.

:lol @ imagining that Spurs fan meltdown


https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/030/967/spongebob.jpg

[Dverde]

Bryn Forbes was #9 in the NBA in 3G% (.426), and the Spurs paid him $3M. In a league that values nothing so much as a 3 pointer, he's going to make a LOT more than that next summer, like 3,4 times that amount.
Well the Spurs just gave away Bertrans for nothing, not even a future second rounder in return. Very odd if the league values 3 point shooting so much.

[exstatic]

Well the Spurs just gave away Bertrans for nothing, not even a future second rounder in return. Very odd if the league values 3 point shooting so much.

Not their fault. They had to make that trade to get Morris, who turned around and screwed them. Morris was a much better overall player.

[Manong Ginobili]

That $16M/year contract is starting to look like a steal,

[CGD]

What a steal

[timvp]

That was a max performance tonight, tb very h.

[tbdog]

In 24 mins too.

[Dex]

Dejounte Murray has an incentive in his contract extension that potentially pays him a bonus based on his True Shooting Percentage. On top of his four-year $64M deal, he’ll get an added $500k in any year his TS% is 58 or higher. Not bloody likely, since his career TS% is 49.2, but certainly an incentive to shoot efficiently. He also can get $500k if he nets at least 125 3s in a season; he’s converted 19 for his career entering this season.

Article, but it's behind a paywall: https://theathletic.com/1323825/2019/10/25/hollingers-cap-geekery-lamarcuss-new-guarantee-date-ayton-impact-nerdy-incentives-and-more/

[RC_Drunkford]

that bonus is definitely worth it. Rudy Gay also has 1.5 million in bonuses depending on how far the Spurs go in the postseason

[Seventyniner]

Article, but it's behind a paywall: https://theathletic.com/1323825/2019/10/25/hollingers-cap-geekery-lamarcuss-new-guarantee-date-ayton-impact-nerdy-incentives-and-more/

Great stuff, that's really interesting.

Manu had no trouble hitting a TS% of 58 in his prime, but Tony only did it twice. It should be a bit easier to hit by taking more threes, which Murray seems to be willing to do.

125 threes is a lot for someone like him, though. That's 38% on 4 attempts per game, and only if he plays all 82.

Is Pop finally, however grudgingly, trying to get his team to take more threes? The real proof will be if DDR starts jacking up more attempts, especially on catch-and-shoot opportunities that he should be able to knock down at a respectable rate.

[objective]

So far so great. Microscopic Sample Size but he's 5th in PER right now among players with at least 10 minutes of action on basketball reference.

[TD 21]

:tu It's still unclear what his ceiling is, but unless he suffers another significant injury, there's almost no way this doesn't turn out to be a team friendly contract. Even if he tops out as something like a low end starter, it's a fair deal. Anything above that and it's a bargain.

I've done a 180 on this one fast. I got caught up in the hope springs eternal vibe of a new season and his bursting out of the blocks and maybe he'll look better if/when they trade DeRozan for better fitting piece(s) . . . but right now, it looks like starter money for a spare part.

He's definitely better than Dunn, Exum, Ntilikina, Carter-Williams, etc., but that archetype is not a core building block.

You just can't build a good offense with an initiator who can't even shoot spotting up, never mind pulling up (which is now necessary in this role) and is a sub par play maker.

[Capt Bringdown]

but that archetype is not a core building block.


Big money for journeyman skills. Spurs got took.

[Prime BEEF]

I've done a 180 on this one fast. I got caught up in the hope springs eternal vibe of a new season and his bursting out of the blocks and maybe he'll look better if/when they trade DeRozan for better fitting piece(s) . . . but right now, it looks like starter money for a spare part.

He's definitely better than Dunn, Exum, Ntilikina, Carter-Williams, etc., but that archetype is not a core building block.

You just can't build a good offense with an initiator who can't even shoot spotting up, never mind pulling up (which is now necessary in this role) and is a sub par play maker.
Truth

really need to trade him while other teams haven’t quite caught onto this and still think he has potential. If he gets another season like this under his belt, no one is going to want him for $16M/yr.

Dare I say Murray@$16M/yr is worse than Mills@$12M/yr? My how things have changed

[tholdren]

Who would have thought that paying 60 mil for a pg that only skill is ..... rebounding???.... would be an issue... especially when his insta story was telling everyone how hard he works.
. The nba is just awful

[spurraider21]

im still a big fan of the deal

he's still only getting 2.3 mil this year. the contract doesnt even kick in until next season, and i think he's shown growth and a willingness to put in time and improve. his jumper still isnt where it needs to be but he at least looks a lot more comfortable with it than he did in previous years. i think he currently looks worse than he is because he's sharing the floor with derozan

[Leetonidas]

He needs to improve like tenfold otherwise he is going to be an albatross. 16M for a "PG" that can't even dribble or pass is not looking so good.

[spurraider21]

his ball handling is a bigger concern to me than his shooting at this point

[RC_Drunkford]

The kid still has to improve on his playmaking skills, 3-point shot and ball handling, but he's a great defender and his midrange jumper is coming along. He'll improve as the season progresses. That deal still looks like a good value deal to me, because I expect him to improve consistently

[tholdren]

The kid still has to improve on his playmaking skills, 3-point shot and ball handling, but he's a great defender and his midrange jumper is coming along. He'll improve as the season progresses. That deal still looks like a good value deal to me, because I expect him to improve consistently
The nba, where you can get drafted as a pg without dribbling or playmaking skills.

[Prime BEEF]

The nba, where you can get drafted as a pg without dribbling or playmaking skills.
Yup. A PG that can’t dribble, isn’t a playmaker, and can’t hit 3s?? Sure let’s give him $16M/yr for 4yrs cuz potential.

[objective]

I am not sour on the deal yet, he's making some progress, and the deal was for a projection of him getting better due to his age and experience

BUT

It is a shame that there's no former NBA point guards on the bench as an assistant coach to help him develop those skills, which he needs. There's not even an old vet point guard on the roster to mentor him. White is trying to get his own career going and Mills has never been a point guard.

I wonder if he's getting all the help he needs or if he's developing slower than hoped because he has no one to really turn to or learn from.

[lmbebo]

I am not sour on the deal yet, he's making some progress, and the deal was for a projection of him getting better due to his age and experience

BUT

It is a shame that there's no former NBA point guards on the bench as an assistant coach to help him develop those skills, which he needs. There's not even an old vet point guard on the roster to mentor him. White is trying to get his own career going and Mills has never been a point guard.

I wonder if he's getting all the help he needs or if he's developing slower than hoped because he has no one to really turn to or learn from.

Wouldn't mind Antonio Daniels chipping in here and there. He still lives in SA I believe. Granted he is busy with nba radio too.

[FkLA]

The great Rebecca Lynn Hammon was a great PG in her day, tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

Wouldn't mind Antonio Daniels chipping in here and there. He still lives in SA I believe. Granted he is busy with nba radio too.

Nah how about we get a good of to mentor him.

[MannyIsGod]

The kid still has to improve on his playmaking skills, 3-point shot and ball handling, but he's a great defender and his midrange jumper is coming along. He'll improve as the season progresses. That deal still looks like a good value deal to me, because I expect him to improve consistently

Sometimes I want the Spurs to sign a horrific deal so you can see what an albatross really is. A 16 million per year deal to one of the best defensive guards in the NBA is never it.

[Sugus]

I am not sour on the deal yet, he's making some progress, and the deal was for a projection of him getting better due to his age and experience

BUT

It is a shame that there's no former NBA point guards on the bench as an assistant coach to help him develop those skills, which he needs. There's not even an old vet point guard on the roster to mentor him. White is trying to get his own career going and Mills has never been a point guard.

I wonder if he's getting all the help he needs or if he's developing slower than hoped because he has no one to really turn to or learn from.

Agreed. He needs to be working on that BBIQ harder than his shot or handles, but it's hard to do on your own. Pop doesn't coach the same these days and can't teach him the inworks of the position either. I would really hate for the Spurs to trade for CP3, but he's exactly the mentor Dejounte needs and you see it with Shai's improved game. I would've much rather used the MLE money on an old vet PG if neither him nor Carrol would see the floor anyways...

[objective]

Antonio Daniels has a full-time tv gig with New Orleans, but even more importantly was never a true point guard, and Pop actively didn't want him as a point guard.

Didn't DeRozan study Andre Miller this summer or am I imagining things? He's the kind of guy I'm thinking about. Minor Spurs connections as a player, longtime working knowledge with Aldridge, knew how to get players the ball where they liked ...

Hell, could bring Avery back.

Not so much a Jacque Vaughn, he wasn't so much a point guard as a guy who could dribble the ball up and not turn it over

[ZeusWillJudge]

I said it here a few times. The Fort Wayne Mad Ants have a PG named Walt Lemon. If the Spurs' goal is just to make it to the playoffs this year, they could ditch Bryn and sign Lemon to a min contract. He would be a good distributor for the second unit, and he's shooting something like .370 from 3P this season. He would let Patty do what he's doing best, which is bomb 3's. He's capable on the PnR, and would make Poeltl more of a scoring threat. And he's a hell of a scorer on his own. Last season he was with Windy City, and in the G-League playoffs he put up something like 29 points, and 7 AST.

This team would really benefit from having one natural PG on the roster. And one less Forbes.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sometimes I want the Spurs to sign a horrific deal so you can see what an albatross really is. A 16 million per year deal to one of the best defensive guards in the NBA is never it.

I said it's a good value deal. Pau Gasol was an albatross. He's still getting paid


I said it here a few times. The Fort Wayne Mad Ants have a PG named Walt Lemon. If the Spurs' goal is just to make it to the playoffs this year, they could ditch Bryn and sign Lemon to a min contract. He would be a good distributor for the second unit, and he's shooting something like .370 from 3P this season. He would let Patty do what he's doing best, which is bomb 3's. He's capable on the PnR, and would make Poeltl more of a scoring threat. And he's a hell of a scorer on his own. Last season he was with Windy City, and in the G-League playoffs he put up something like 29 points, and 7 AST.

This team would really benefit from having one natural PG on the roster. And one less Forbes.


:pop: "He doesn't know the system"

[Mugen]

Dejounte and Derrick would benefit greatly from playing alongside each other tbh. Right now, whenever they're in the game , they basically have to be the best perimeter defender + best playmaker (though Derozan has been better during the last month)...

Playing alongside one another would open up so many thing for them and the team as a whole. Not playing them together is just one of the worst coaching decisions I've ever seen. It's absolutely mind boggling that the worst coach in sports is allowed to keep it up tbh...

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/nbastats/status/1216864579751481344

[slick'81]

Dude is spurs defense personified

[Sugus]

He's tasked with a heavy workload having to overcompensate and help for Bryn and, to a lesser extent, DeMar's shortcomings defensively on almost every possession, which makes him look bad when the rest of the team doesn't rotate or he overgambles for a steal. As Mugen says, him and White have got to play together, with White as PG relieving DJ of the playmaking duties so he can wreck havoc and be more of a slasher/spot up shooter, a role he should practice and get burn in. Pop not being willing to play the two of them, and both of them with Lonnie, is infuriating. So much potential squandered by arbitrary coaching decisions.

The worst part is that people who defend the move say that there would be no PG for the bench, when staggering of minutes exist, and also when Pop will just trot out lineups with Patty at PG and no DJ/White on the court anyways. What even is the point of them being separated?

[Dverde]

I have found his defense and rebounding disappointing this year. He has been getting steals. Nephew used to shut down players for most the game. He is nowhere near that level. Still room to grow and I still like the contract.

[poopbox]

Dejounte spends half his time on defense covering for Marco, Demar, Forbes, Mills...pretty much every guard that is not white or walker...

Dude is playing next to 4 of the outright worse defenders in the entire nba...lets get him so real help before we talk about him being disappointing on defense...

Which he isn't...he's been pretty stellar actually given who he is playing with...

[poopbox]

Kawhi also played next to Danny...another all defensive caliber guard he never really had to cover for...

Dejounte is playing next to Forbes...someone who is dead last for starting guards in several defensive categories...

[TimDunkem]

I said it's a good value deal. Pau Gasol was an albatross. He's still getting paid




:pop: "He doesn't know the system"

Basically. Even if you are a FA that can contribute - unless you're a clear starter like Diaw, for example - you're going into the Greg Poop pecking order.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Dejounte and Derrick would benefit greatly from playing alongside each other tbh. Right now, whenever they're in the game , they basically have to be the best perimeter defender + best playmaker (though Derozan has been better during the last month)...

Playing alongside one another would open up so many thing for them and the team as a whole. Not playing them together is just one of the worst coaching decisions I've ever seen. It's absolutely mind boggling that the worst coach in sports is allowed to keep it up tbh...

I agree that those two guys need to play together but calling Pop the worst coach In the league is pushing it. Lol.

I honestly think Pop isn’t playing them much together because neither of them are really good three point shooters and he really wants at least one of them on the court assisting in running the offense . White is solid at the 3 and playing off ball. Murray has gotten better also at playing off the ball.

i honestly think Forbes is gonna have to get injured in order for Pop to really give those 2 (or Carroll) minutes together sadly. Smh

[XDT76]

I agree that those two guys need to play together but calling Pop the worst coach In the league is pushing it. Lol.

I honestly think Pop isn’t playing them much together because neither of them are really good three point shooters and he really wants at least one of them on the court assisting in running the offense . White is solid at the 3 and playing off ball. Murray has gotten better also at playing off the ball.

i honestly think Forbes is gonna have to get injured in order for Pop to really give those 2 (or Carroll) minutes together sadly. Smh

There plenty of reasons why they don't start together, but it is not difficult at all for them to play a few minutes (6-8)together especially with DDR and Walker picking some of the minutes when both are not on the floor. I would like to see some time of a lineup with LMA, DDR, Murray, White and Walker.

[mookie2001]

So Dejounte has not attempted a free throw in 2020.

[duncan2k5]

So Dejounte has not attempted a free throw in 2020.

He is playing soft and scared to shoot and drive since Pop is back to being Mr erratic that will randomly bench ppl for a mistake (all while Brent forms runs wild, mind u)