Pocohontas Lied About Being Fired By Schools For Being Pregnant

[Spurtacular]

First two minutes of this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEfzE6qLmS4

[Winehole23]

Or maybe, they fired her for being visibly pregnant, which wasn't uncommon at the time. Of course, they would never put that in writing.

[Spurtacular]

Or maybe, they fired her for being visibly pregnant, which wasn't uncommon at the time. Of course, they would never put that in writing.

Try watching the video, blakehole.

[Winehole23]

You're very gullible

[ElNono]

Look, I don't particularly like Warren, but this is pretty old by now and already debunked as not a lie.

You can still hate/dislike Warren for completely reasonable reasons, there's no actual point in making shit up. This goes the same for GOP politicians.

[ElNono]

BTW, that 2007 video is edited, there's a missing part. Here's the transcript for that question:

For a while? I mean, you actually pursued that career?

I actually did. I was married at nineteen and graduated from college after I'd married, and my first year post-graduation I worked in a public school system with the children with disabilities. I did that for a year, and then that summer I didn't have the education courses, so I was on an "emergency certificate," it was called. I went back to graduate school and took a couple of courses in education and said, "I don't think this is going to work out for me." I was pregnant with my first baby, so I had a baby and stayed home for a couple of years, and I was really casting about, thinking, "What am I going to do?" My husband's view of it was, "Stay home. We have children, we'll have more children, you'll love this." And I was very restless about it.

http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/people7/Warren/warren-con1.html

[Pavlov]

A Trumpista trying to complain about lying is just precious.

[Winehole23]

Look, I don't particularly like Warren, but this is pretty old by now and already debunked as not a lie.What convinced you?

[ElNono]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elizabeth-warren-pregnancy-claim-democratic-presidential-candidate-stands-by-being-pushed-out-of-teaching-job/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/10/elizabeth-warrens-pregnancy-discrimination
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/464782-warren-stands-by-claim-she-lost-teaching-job-because-of-pregnancy

[Spurtacular]

You're very gullible

Did I name this the Blakehole lash out thread?

[Spurtacular]

Sperm shielder reporting for duty!

:rollin

[Winehole23]

Thanks, ElNoNo

[Spurtacular]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elizabeth-warren-pregnancy-claim-democratic-presidential-candidate-stands-by-being-pushed-out-of-teaching-job/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/10/elizabeth-warrens-pregnancy-discrimination
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/464782-warren-stands-by-claim-she-lost-teaching-job-because-of-pregnancy

Wow, you can post googled links.

[ElNono]

What convinced you?

Well, a co-worker came out and backed up the contention. I mean, it's an unverifiable claim regardless, as there's nothing in writing, and it's entirely plausible her perception about the issue changed over 12 years (it's not like discrimination was a hit back in '07).

And, ultimately, there's legitimate politics/policy arguments to beat down Warren. I'm not even claiming she doesn't lie, this just looks like a reach. When you have to start cutting off videos, it always looks like a reach.

[ElNono]

Wow, you can post googled links.

Backing up what I'm talking about. You're welcome.

[Spurtacular]

Backing up what I'm talking about. You're welcome.

You did jack shit.

[ElNono]

Oh I did. You don't have to like it.

[ElNono]

Thanks, ElNoNo

You're welcome.

[Spurtacular]

Oh I did. You don't have to like it.

You're being intentionally thick. Anyone watching the video clip I put can tell that Pocohantas told two different stories.

You do yourself a disservice by taking such a disingenuous stance. This has became pretty common for you though.

[ElNono]

You're being intentionally thick. Anyone watching the video clip I put can tell that Pocohantas told two different stories.

You do yourself a disservice by taking such a disingenuous stance. This has became pretty common for you though.

I don't understand why you seek validation over this. You know it's an unverifiable claim (there's nothing in written), the video has been edited to omit the fact that she told back then too she was pregnant, and there's frankly no reason to believe she was lying about this (particularly after a co-worker backed up the story).

So, let's say your opinion is, regardless of all of the above, that she's lying. That's perfectly respectable. I won't tell you you're wrong, it's an opinion. I could even go further and ask you why you think she is lying, despite all of the above, but, it's really immaterial: I don't think you posted this because it changed your mind about Warren, or you think it will change anybody's mind about Warren, and I don't think whoever edited that video was also hoping to change anybody's mind. This is the prototypical confirmation bias video.

What I was explaining, is that there's way more solid reasons to dislike Warren. Her populist positions come to mind. It's a much more entertaining and meaty discussion than this, simply because there's no way to prove this one way or another.

[Spurtacular]

I don't understand why you seek validation over this. You know it's an unverifiable claim (there's nothing in written), the video has been edited to omit the fact that she told back then too she was pregnant, and there's frankly no reason to believe she was lying about this (particularly after a co-worker backed up the story).


She was a non-credentialed 'emergency' substitute. She never even had the position. She was filling a vacancy. She was an interim teacher. The pregnancy was not the reason. She got her hand caught in the cookie jar. You should just come to terms that Elizabeth Warren is amateur hour. It'll save you a lot of pain later on.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Backing up what I'm talking about. You're welcome.

but he's got a youtube though. . .

[ducks]

Who would make her pregnant ?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who would make her pregnant ?

well she is not an underage girl you can urinate on so not you.

[ElNono]

She was a non-credentialed 'emergency' substitute. She never even had the position. She was filling a vacancy. She was an interim teacher. The pregnancy was not the reason. She got her hand caught in the cookie jar. You should just come to terms that Elizabeth Warren is amateur hour. It'll save you a lot of pain later on.

Her job at the school is not in dispute. Not in the video you posted. Not in the articles that tell the story. Is your claim she lied about having the job in the first place?

[Spurtacular]

Her job at the school is not in dispute. Not in the video you posted. Not in the articles that tell the story. Is your claim she lied about having the job in the first place?

Sounds to me like she was a substitute teacher. Do substitute teachers ever "have the job"?

[ElNono]

She might be amateur hour for a lot of reasons, and a complete liar to boot, tbh. I'm not even going to enter into the double-standard/whataboutism angle here.

I don't think using carefully edited videos are a great way to demonstrate that, however. But if it works to advance your confirmation bias, I guess the job is done.

I somehow get the feeling you already thought Warren was a liar before that video though.

[Spurtacular]

She might be amateur hour for a lot of reasons, and a complete liar to boot, tbh. I'm not even going to enter into the double-standard/whataboutism angle here.

I don't think using carefully edited videos are a great way to demonstrate that, however. But if it works to advance your confirmation bias, I guess the job is done.

I somehow get the feeling you already thought Warren was a liar before that video though.

Of course I thought she was a liar before the video. You know why? Cos she's a fucking liar!

You used to be so much better at this. Or maybe you weren't. I could be romanticizing the good ole days.

[ElNono]

Sounds to me like she was a substitute teacher. Do substitute teachers ever "have the job"?

Well, of course. They're under contract.

[Spurtacular]

Well, of course. They're under contract.

No, they're not (generally speaking). They're very akin to temps despite having employee status.

[ElNono]

Of course I thought she was a liar before the video. You know why? Cos she's a fucking liar!

Well, I guess that settles it. But yeah, that's exactly what I thought.


You used to be so much better at this. Or maybe you weren't. I could be romanticizing the good ole days.

This discussion isn't about me. It's about Warren. But, regardless, I think you liked me more when I criticized Obama, and you don't like me as much now that I criticize Trump. Makes sense.

[Spurtacular]

Well, I guess that settles it. But yeah, that's exactly what I thought.


You exactly thought that I thought a liar was a liar. :tu

:lmao

[Spurtacular]

This discussion isn't about me. It's about Warren. But, regardless, I think you liked me more when I criticized Obama, and you don't like me as much now that I criticize Trump. Makes sense.

I don't even recall you criticizing Obama, tbh. I'll have to take your word for that.

[ElNono]

No, they're not (generally speaking). They're very akin to temps despite having employee status.

They're all signed to a contract for a set amount of days (at least in NJ they do), with possibility of extension with school boards.

Here's what those contracts look like:
https://www.gorepublicschools.org/vimages/shared/vnews/stories/55b101fe879fb/DEA-E2%20SUBSTITUTE%20CONTRACT%20SAMPLE.pdf
https://www.southernohioesc.org/userfiles/-4/my%20files/18-19%20universal%20contract.pdf?id=239

It's just a job like any other. They have certain certification requirements, and likely don't get the same benefits as full time teachers (IIRC, their collective bargaining is separate from full time teachers), but otherwise are employees.

[ElNono]

You exactly thought that I thought a liar was a liar. :tu

:lmao

Yep, called it, confirmation bias. :lol


I don't even recall you criticizing Obama, tbh. I'll have to take your word for that.

You have poor memory. You want quotes?

[Spurtacular]

You have poor memory. You want quotes?

I think you likely did, sparingly. And I would imagine you pulled your punches.

[Blake]

You're being intentionally thick. Anyone watching the video clip I put can tell that Pocohantas told two different stories.

You do yourself a disservice by taking such a disingenuous stance. This has became pretty common for you though.


You're very gullible

[hater]

funny ppl defend Warren’s truthfulness

when the psychopath lied to everyone about being native american :lol

once you lie about that and then get found out you are .03% native american you have no credibility. especially if you keep doubling down and dont apologize

[Spurtacular]

when the psychopath lied to everyone about being native american :lol

This is why I tell ElNono that he used to not go down such foolish paths. I think he's became more of a cheerleader in recent years.

[Pavlov]

Are Trump supporters still whining about lying?


:lol Yes, yes they are.

[hater]

This is why I tell ElNono that he used to not go down such foolish paths. I think he's became more of a cheerleader in recent years.

he admitted he gets very triggered with Trump


that most likely clouds his reasoning. cant blame him tbqh but he should know better

[Spurtacular]

Are Trump supporters still whining about lying?


:lol Yes, yes they are.

Lying's nothing.

-- Pscyhopav Chump

:rollin

[Chucho]

Wile E Coyote.jpeg

[ElNono]

I think you likely did, sparingly. And I would imagine you pulled your punches.

:lol for somebody that doesn’t remember you sure make up a lot of shit.

[ElNono]

he admitted he gets very triggered with Trump

that most likely clouds his reasoning. cant blame him tbqh but he should know better

Quote where I admitted that? I can quote the exact opposite :lol

I certainly made clear I don’t like Trump one bit, but there’s no need to make shit up.

And I also was clear I don’t defend Warren, heck I don’t even actually like her. You can quote me on that, it’s at the top of the thread.

[hater]

Quote where I admitted that? I can quote the exact opposite :lol

I certainly made clear I don’t like Trump one bit, but there’s no need to make shit up.

And I also was clear I don’t defend Warren, heck I don’t even actually like her. You can quote me on that, it’s at the top of the thread.

search is disabled?

you clearly admitted to it my nig. maybe in the impeachment thread

its ok no need to be ashamed. trump triggers the very best people

[Pavlov]

YOU DID IT I KNOW YOU DID IT LOOK IT UP YOURSELF TO PROVE IT FOR ME

[hater]

exhibit A of a very triggered person ^ :lol

[Pavlov]

:lol hater just keeps lying

[ElNono]

search is disabled?

you clearly admitted to it my nig. maybe in the impeachment thread

its ok no need to be ashamed. trump triggers the very best people

:lol you can’t quote it because it doesn’t exist. There’s no need to make shit up.

When I was shitting all over Shillary, I was a Trump supporter? This simpleton logic doesn’t make any sense, tbh

[hater]

:lol you can’t quote it because it doesn’t exist. There’s no need to make shit up.

When I was shitting all over Shillary, I was a Trump supporter? This simpleton logic doesn’t make any sense, tbh

well search is disabled son

i remember very well. but no worries I will take your word today. Trump does not trigger you :tu

[ElNono]

this thread isn’t about Trump anyways.

What’s your take on Warren, hater? Is her populist rhetoric to be believed? Or she’s gonna shill for the bankers in the end?

[boutons_deux]

Trash fellators and rightwinghatemedia trying to trash Warren for ONE questionable, mostly fabricated instance?

versus

Trash's 1000s of fucking lies?

:lol :lol :lol

[ElNono]

Trash fellators and rightwinghatemedia trying to trash Warren for ONE questionable, mostly fabricated instance?

versus

Trash's 1000s of fucking lies?

:lol :lol :lol

While it’s true that the fake outrage is real, it’s still wrong, whether Trump or Warren do it

[boutons_deux]

While it’s true that the fake outrage is real, it’s still wrong, whether Trump or Warren do it

Warren was let go/replaced, but not explicitly FIRED, because she was pregnant. Where's her "lie"?

the crux of her statement is true

vs

Trash's pure top-to-bottom LIES

[Spurs Homer]

Traitor Trump : 13,000 lies, rapes, sex assaults, bribery, fraud, tax evasion, treason
Trump cult: "non issue!"

Obama = 1 (alleged) lie (keep your doctor)
Warren = 2 (alleged) lies
HRC = butteremails!

Trump cult (clutching their pearls) : "whaaaaaa!"

[ElNono]

^ another example of whataboutism. We should be able to agree that conning and lying is bad regardless of who does it

[Spurs Homer]

^ another example of whataboutism. We should be able to agree that conning and lying is bad regardless of who does it


Nope.

That was pre- trump - pre GOP sellout to russia


No moral leg to stand on ever -

If you were ok with Trump doing it - then GFY - you have no room, period.

Anything is fair game - anything - and NO ONE has a moral high road. This is what you get when you support this traitor -

don't whine about any criminality in the future.

[Blake]

Lying's nothing.

-- Pscyhopav Chump

:rollin

So where's your Trump is lying thread?

[Spurtacular]

:lol for somebody that doesn’t remember you sure make up a lot of shit.

Just breakin' it down. If you had been an outspoken Obama critic it would come to mind easily I would think.

[Spurtacular]

So where's your Trump is lying thread?

:cry Muh whataboutism :cry

:lol

[Blake]

:cry Muh whataboutism :cry

:lol

Muh lookoverhereandnotoverthereism

[Pavlov]

So where's your Trump is lying thread?THAT'S DIFFERENT 98D CHESS TO PWN TEH COMMIE NAZIS

[dabom7]

THAT'S DIFFERENT 98D CHESS TO PWN TEH COMMIE NAZIS

:lol

[ElNono]

Just breakin' it down. If you had been an outspoken Obama critic it would come to mind easily I would think.

Breaking what down? You don't remember, remember? :lol

[Spurtacular]

Breaking what down? You don't remember, remember? :lol

Bringin' it to the stark reality. Your light strokes against Obama hardly make you much of a critic.

[Winehole23]

Bringin' it to the stark reality. Your light strokes against Obama hardly make you much of a critic.FWIW, few contemporaneous posters would mistake El Nono for an Obama fanboy.

You weren't around in 2008 under this avatar, what did you call yourself then?

[ElNono]

Bringin' it to the stark reality. Your light strokes against Obama hardly make you much of a critic.

My post history speaks for myself on this, tbh. Go take a look at it if you're so curious.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

^ another example of whataboutism. We should be able to agree that conning and lying is bad regardless of who does it

The comparison does seem valid just on the basis of relative volume.

[Spurtacular]

My post history speaks for myself on this, tbh.

Indeed it does. You are far from a staunch critic of Obama.

[Winehole23]

Indeed it does. You are far from a staunch critic of Obama.You pick a lot of fights that make little sense. Maybe it's just irascibility.

[ElNono]

Indeed it does. You are far from a staunch critic of Obama.

but you don't remember! crofl

Let me refresh your mind:
I was a staunch critic of Obamacare, Obama's signature legislation.
I was a staunch critic of Obama failed promise to close Gitmo.
I was a staunch critic of Obama's wiretapping and persecution of Snowden.
I was a staunch critic of Obama (and all Dems) continued renewal of the Patriot Act.
I was a staunch critic of Obama the warmonger.

That's just off the top of my head. Easily verifiable. You're just too lazy and I'm not going to do your work for you, because, frankly, I don't seek validation like you do. My post history does clearly speaks for me.

[Winehole23]

That would involve searching and reading. A very tall ask for Spurtacular.

It's much easier for him to pursue inferences based on whatever he already thought before the conversation started.

[Spurtacular]

but you don't remember! crofl

Let me refresh your mind:
I was a staunch critic of Obamacare, Obama's signature legislation.
I was a staunch critic of Obama failed promise to close Gitmo.
I was a staunch critic of Obama's wiretapping and persecution of Snowden.
I was a staunch critic of Obama (and all Dems) continued renewal of the Patriot Act.
I was a staunch critic of Obama the warmonger.

That's just off the top of my head. Easily verifiable. You're just too lazy and I'm not going to do your work for you, because, frankly, I don't seek validation like you do. My post history does clearly speaks for me.

Yea, you swung some pulled punches. I already acknowledged that.

[ElNono]

You still don't get it. It doesn't matter what you acknowledge or not acknowledge. You're not the arbiter of anything.

[Spurtacular]

You still don't get it. It doesn't matter what you acknowledge or not acknowledge. You're not the arbiter of anything.

What is your evaluation of Obama's overall presidency?

[ElNono]

What is your evaluation of Obama's overall presidency?

I would rank it #3, after Bush Sr and Clinton since the 90s (my #1 and #2, although there's a fairly wide gap between those two). Can't really comment before that, as I didn't live long enough in the US prior to that.

Positives:
- He turned around the economy after receiving a disaster, even after receiving extreme criticism for the methods (which ended up working out)
- He was a charismatic leader, savvy politically, who knew which buttons to press to get his electorate to come out and vote for him (fatal flaw in Shillary)
- He tried to strike a balance on immigration, deporting record number of illegal immigrants, while at the same time trying to address DACA, largely due to Congress inaction.

Negatives:
All those listed before plus...
- His was economically a center-right government despite the rhetoric. He was basically Goldman Sachs' bitch.

Again, just off the top of my head. There's obviously a lot that goes on in 8 years to get to the nitty gritty of it all.

Overall, I think it was a negative. We ended up in more wars, he had a great opportunity to actually reshape healthcare for the better and completely fumbled. Even when he had control of Congress, he was largely ineffectual.
Now, obviously, negative doesn't mean disastrous either. Certain issues weight more than others.

Just my opinion. It's pretty much in line with my comments about his presidency at the time.

[boutons_deux]

"he had a great opportunity to actually reshape healthcare for the better and completely fumbled"

ACA was debated 1 year, 100 amendments, mostly Repugs degrading it, and then no Repug voted for it.

"Even when he had control of Congress"

He NEVER had Dem control of the Senate, with Bernie and Liebermann as independents, and Liebermann single-handedly blocking public option.

[Stan]

:cry Muh whataboutism :cry

:lol
Still doesn’t understand whataboutism :lmao

[Spurtacular]

I would rank it #3, after Bush Sr and Clinton since the 90s (my #1 and #2, although there's a fairly wide gap between those two). Can't really comment before that, as I didn't live long enough in the US prior to that.

Positives:
- He turned around the economy after receiving a disaster, even after receiving extreme criticism for the methods (which ended up working out)
- He was a charismatic leader, savvy politically, who knew which buttons to press to get his electorate to come out and vote for him (fatal flaw in Shillary)
- He tried to strike a balance on immigration, deporting record number of illegal immigrants, while at the same time trying to address DACA, largely due to Congress inaction.

Negatives:
All those listed before plus...
- His was economically a center-right government despite the rhetoric. He was basically Goldman Sachs' bitch.

Again, just off the top of my head. There's obviously a lot that goes on in 8 years to get to the nitty gritty of it all.

Overall, I think it was a negative. We ended up in more wars, he had a great opportunity to actually reshape healthcare for the better and completely fumbled. Even when he had control of Congress, he was largely ineffectual.
Now, obviously, negative doesn't mean disastrous either. Certain issues weight more than others.

Just my opinion. It's pretty much in line with my comments about his presidency at the time.

Ranking presidents is one thing that doesn't really prove anything. How corrupt is/was Obama?

[Spurtacular]

Still doesn’t understand whataboutism :lmao

:lol Slob alt trying and failing. Par.

[Winehole23]

Lexicon isn't your strong point, heavy D.

[ElNono]

Ranking presidents is one thing that doesn't really prove anything. How corrupt is/was Obama?

You can’t ‘prove’ an opinion. My breakdown is pretty explicit. You don’t have to like or even agree with it.

[Spurtacular]

You can’t ‘prove’ an opinion. My breakdown is pretty explicit. You don’t have to like or even agree with it.

It's a pretty straightforward question. How corrupt is/was Obama?

[Pavlov]

You can’t ‘prove’ an opinion. My breakdown is pretty explicit. You don’t have to like or even agree with it.:lol there's no way in hell derp would answer that question himself.

[ElNono]

It's a pretty straightforward question. How corrupt is/was Obama?

I did enough explaining, your turn...

[ElNono]

Plus that’s such a shitty question, tbh... what’s the scale here? Number of Alberto Gonzales?

There’s simply no correct answer

[Spurtacular]

I did enough explaining, your turn...

You can't even make an assessment of Obama's level of corruption. I told you that you're not a staunch critic. :tu

[Blake]

You can't even make an assessment of Obama's level of corruption. I told you that you're not a staunch critic. :tu

You can't either. You must be a staunch Obama supporter

[Spurtacular]

You can't either. You must be a staunch Obama supporter

Obama was completely corrupt to the core. I never said otherwise you stupid cuck.

[Blake]

Obama was completely corrupt to the core. I never said otherwise you stupid cuck.

Whoa what an assessment!

[Spurtacular]

Whoa what an assessment!

Where do you stand on freedom for Hong Kong?

[Blake]

Whoa what an assessment!

[koriwhat]

Where do you stand on freedom for Hong Kong?

like lebron, they're both cucks!

[Spurtacular]

:lmao Blake trying to mock while retreating into his cuckoon. :lmao

[Blake]

Whoa what an assessment!

[Spurtacular]

Cuckbot mode won't get you W's, Blake.

[koriwhat]

Cuckbot mode won't get you W's, Blake.

when cuckold bitchBlaKKKe starts quoting himself you know the white flag has been raised.

[ElNono]

Obama was completely corrupt to the core. I never said otherwise you stupid cuck.

Now back it up. Give us some examples. I’m not disputing your contention, I’m asking you to back it up. Corruption case numbers, etc. would be a good start. Unfortunately, ‘it’s a hunch’, ‘my guts tell me’ or ‘it’s obvious’, really isn’t good enough.

I backed up my points above (at least backed up my opinion)

[ElNono]

IMO, Fast and Furious and Benghazi were, if not outright corrupt (I’ve no proof to back up they were), at least amateur hour.

[ElNono]

BTW, on vacay right now, I’ll try to catch up

[Blake]

BTW, on vacay right now, I’ll try to catch up

When you come back, you'll find this thread to still be the same way you left it.

[Blake]

Cuckbot mode won't get you W's, Blake.

Because the 4X ST MVP knows!

[benefactor]

Derp: Major levels of corruption!

Other posters: What happened?

Derp: Things!

Other posters: What things?

Derp: BAD THINGS!

[Spurtacular]

when cuckold bitchBlaKKKe starts quoting himself you know the white flag has been raised.

It's always raised. But he definitely waves it more furiously. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Now back it up. Give us some examples. I’m not disputing your contention, I’m asking you to back it up. Corruption case numbers, etc. would be a good start. Unfortunately, ‘it’s a hunch’, ‘my guts tell me’ or ‘it’s obvious’, really isn’t good enough.

I backed up my points above (at least backed up my opinion)

Stimulus? Scam.
Bailouts? Scam.
Obamacare? Scam.
Wars? Scams.
Spying on Americans? Scandal.
Sunshine on govt? BS.
Fast And Furious? Scandal.
American citizen? BS.
Unmasking? Of course he would do that.

The list goes on. Dude was always a puppet.

[ElNono]

Stimulus? Scam.
Bailouts? Scam.
Obamacare? Scam.
Wars? Scams.
Spying on Americans? Scandal.
Sunshine on govt? BS.
Fast And Furious? Scandal.
American citizen? BS.
Unmasking? Of course he would do that.

The list goes on. Dude was always a puppet.

What bailouts? IIRC, Bush signed both the banks bailout and the carmarker bailouts.

Obama was most definitely an American citizen.

Stimulus was, IMO, highly effective. Proof is in the great economic turnaround during his tenure.


Now, I don’t know what’s the bar on relative corruption level, thus why I was asking what’s the barometer here. If I had to rank his administration against previous and next in levels of corruption, I’ll probably put his just about the same as Dubya, and much much less than the current one, tbh (which doesn’t mean it was minor, the current administration has serious corruption problems raising to impeachment levels, which are quite large)

[ElNono]

That said, I’m in agreement he was largely a JP Morgan puppet tbh

[Spurtacular]

What bailouts? IIRC, Bush signed both the banks bailout and the carmarker bailouts.

Obama was most definitely an American citizen.

Stimulus was, IMO, highly effective. Proof is in the great economic turnaround during his tenure.


Now, I don’t know what’s the bar on relative corruption level, thus why I was asking what’s the barometer here. If I had to rank his administration against previous and next in levels of corruption, I’ll probably put his just about the same as Dubya, and much much less than the current one, tbh (which doesn’t mean it was minor, the current administration has serious corruption problems raising to impeachment levels, which are quite large)

:cry Bush was corrupt, so it's okay for Obama :cry
:cry Obama announced he was born in Kenya, but his cheap photoshop of a birth certificate fixed that :cry

Stimulus was cronyism. :lol no "shovel ready jobs". Somehow that lie gets a pass.

Dubya was corrupt AF, too. The shame about Obama is that he completely set back the lofty stated ideals of Democrats. I don't think there's going to be a return to that for that party in my lifetime. They're stuck in the muck for decades to come.

:lmao At you pretending that Obama is less corrupt than Trump. The most corrupt thing Dems have pointed to is ties to Russia for which Obama/Hillary had much more and a conversation for which the president sought to expose Obama's corruption. Pathetic, nono! :lmao

[ElNono]

I didn’t say neither dubya or Obama’s administrations were corrupt, the exact opposite actually. You don’t need to make stuff up to make your point.

However, neither at least admitted to it, like this administration, which brazenly does things like the emoluments and now Ukraine. I mean it’s so brazen they even have the gill to claim in front of judges that the president cannot be criminally indicted for previous or current crimes (an argument that, even if correct, it’s the door opener for any kind of corruption). We’re not even talking president collaborators here, somebody gone rogue, but the actual standards set by this retard.

Your feelings about Obama’s birth certificate don’t really matter. It just really makes you look like a complete ignorant (which is obviously your choice). I mean, not only it’s been available, it would’ve been extremely easy for your conspiratard friend to sue and unmask him if it was fraudulent in any way. This is pure logic. I invite you to post evidence to the contrary, I promise to scrutinize it and not outright laugh at it.

I understand that your hate for anything Democrat tints your view. Nothing wrong with that, Wild Cobra was pretty much the same. However, it’s important to recognize it when doing your analysis. I’ve admitted my complete disdain for social conservatism, but I do recognize certain utilitarian values out of it (ie: family).

You never answered about the bailouts or stimulus...

[Spurtacular]

I didn’t say neither dubya or Obama’s administrations were corrupt, the exact opposite actually.

You clearly have no idea what corruption is, then.

[ElNono]

You clearly have no idea what corruption is, then.

Of course we all know what corruption is. :lol

It presents itself in a lot of different forms, but at its core it’s dishonest and/or fraudulent behavior of those in power. That’s pretty much the dictionary definition.

[Spurtacular]

Of course we all know what corruption is. :lol

It presents itself in a lot of different forms, but at its core it’s dishonest and/or fraudulent behavior of those in power. That’s pretty much the dictionary definition.

Exactly. Obama was quite dishonest and fraudulent.

[ElNono]

Exactly. Obama was quite dishonest and fraudulent.

I don’t necessarily disagree with that, but not sure how that disagrees with my assessment.

[boutons_deux]

Stimulus was, IMO, highly effective


serious economists who studied the bailouts, TARP, etc estimated 3M jobs were saved.

But the right wing hate media/Repug/oligarchy strategy messaging is that govt For The People is bad, cannot do any good, therefore fuck up govt and privatize everything.

BigFinance still stole about 4M homes forcing people out of mortgages into no-equity renting, people moving into rental increased demand that increased the rates, forcing 100K of people into homelessness.

America is fucked and (non-violently) unfuckable

[Spurtacular]

serious economists who studied the bailouts, TARP, etc estimated 3M jobs were saved.


:lol "Serious economists"

[Blake]

:lol "4X ST MVP"

[Spurtacular]

:lol "4X ST MVP"

:lmao Serious cuck.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1190075394449215488?s=19

Good ol Media deciding what's best for Americans to see and talk about :tu