The Irishman

[benefactor]

Kind of surprised there's not a thread. Early reviews are saying it's right up there with Scorsese's best films.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHXxVmeGQUc

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sure it's well made, but the story it's based on is almost certainly complete bullshit.

I'll watch to see the latest Gimme Shelter montage. Maybe Marty is going to play the unreliable narrator card again. That would actually be cool.

Kill the Irishman (not the same Irishman) is on Netflix now too. Pretty good and only takes a couple liberties which are still in the realm of possibility.

[benefactor]

I watched Kill the Irishman for the first time not long ago. Ray Stevenson was great as Danny Greene.

[Chucho]

Kill the Irishman was nice. Between the two movies, you have every requisite actor to make a GOAT mob movie.

Very much looking forward to this. Hasn't been a lot to look forward to this year, but this is one of those times.

[monosylab1k]

Everything about this movie feels like it should be a spectacular failure. Geriatric actors pretending to be 30 years younger, a ridiculously long run time, a troubled production that went over budget to a legendary degree......but it’s Scorsese so you know it’s going to be amazing.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah if you're going to get some old ass to play Frank Sheeran at least get Liam Neeson who's the right size and not the Mostlyitalianman.

[Will Hunting]

So what’s the difference between this movie’s plot and the plot that was behind Kill the Irishman?

[benefactor]

So what’s the difference between this movie’s plot and the plot that was behind Kill the Irishman?
Kill the Irishman was based on Danny Greene, who was a head cracker who pretty much thought he was invincible during the 70's in Cleveland. They sensationalized the events of course but most of what happened in the movie actually happened. Pretty sure the Scorsese plot is almost all fiction, but he's so good at movies where he seamlessly moves back and forth between current events and past that it won't matter. Sort of feels like Once Upon a Time in America.

[monosylab1k]

Big question is with a nearly 4 hour runtime, will this break the record for most f-bombs in a movie? Pretty sure Scorsese already holds that record with Wolf Of Wall Street :lol

[SnakeBoy]

So what’s the difference between this movie’s plot and the plot that was behind Kill the Irishman?

The film follows Frank "The Irishman" Sheeran (Robert De Niro age 76), a truck driver who becomes a hitman and gets involved with mobster Russell Bufalino (Joe Pesci age 76) and his crime family, including his time working for the powerful Teamster Jimmy Hoffa (Al Pacino age 79).

[AussieFanKurt]

Everything about this movie feels like it should be a spectacular failure. Geriatric actors pretending to be 30 years younger, a ridiculously long run time, a troubled production that went over budget to a legendary degree......but it’s Scorsese so you know it’s going to be amazing.

Unfortunately, I think you're right. I fucking love some Scorsese films like The Departed, Goodfellas and Shutter Island but some are painfully overrated.. Raging Bull, Wolf of Wall Street and I think this will be another

[SpursforSix]

Unfortunately, I think you're right. I fucking love some Scorsese films like The Departed, Goodfellas and Shutter Island but some are painfully overrated.. Raging Bull, Wolf of Wall Street and I think this will be another

The good news is that this is supposed to be on Netflix on November 27.

[Xevious]

The good news is that this is supposed to be on Netflix on November 27.
Yeah, that's where I'm watching it. There's no way in hell I'm going to sit through a four hour movie in the theatre.

[Will Hunting]

Watched it.

Wasn’t bad but wasn’t worth the buildup at all. Starts off well but the 2nd half of the movie is very much an over-budget shit show.

[Xevious]

I still need to finish it, I think I watched half. Unfortunately I'm just not as big of a Scorsese fan as some. His overuse of narration, period rock music, flashbacks within flashbacks, etc just start to bother me after a while.

[lefty]

Overhyped tbh
Nothing special

[Will Hunting]

I still need to finish it, I think I watched half. Unfortunately I'm just not as big of a Scorsese fan as some. His overuse of narration, period rock music, flashbacks within flashbacks, etc just start to bother me after a while.
The overuse of music from that era was really bad, imo. One of the worst parts of the movie.

[benefactor]

I enjoyed it. It's not Scorsese's best but you get what you came for watching it...great acting from his favorite actors and great use of multiple timelines.

[Joseph Kony]

scorsese doing a mobster flick with cliche mobster actors? lol super original. and this guy was trying to shit on superhero movies? :lmao

[monosylab1k]

So far I like the movie, but it’s tough to get too into it because old DeNiro de-aged looks nothing like young DeNiro.

[lefty]

scorsese doing a mobster flick with cliche mobster actors? lol super original. and this guy was trying to shit on superhero movies? :lmao

:lol

[monosylab1k]

Movie would have been way better if he just went with someone like Daniel Day Lewis or DiCaprio, instead of trying to de-age DeNiro. Also maybe don’t cast the most Italian guy ever as The Irishman.

It was good seeing Pacino actually acting instead of just screaming at the top of his lungs for 2 hours.

[lefty]

Movie would have been way better if he just went with someone like Daniel Day Lewis or DiCaprio, instead of trying to de-age DeNiro. Also maybe don’t cast the most Italian guy ever as The Irishman.

It was good seeing Pacino actually acting instead of just screaming at the top of his lungs for 2 hours.
Agreed on Pacino

Talented actor, but I can’t remember the last time he actually acted in a movie

Fuck the Brando hype, Al was the best in The Godfather

Brb gonna rewatch Scarface and Serpico

[redzero]

Would it be fair to criticize the movie itself for the story it was based on? Frank Sheeran seemed like a lying sack of shit.

[Reck]

Finished it last night. A solid 7.5.

[SpursforSix]

Finished it last night. A solid 7.5.

bend over, I’ll fucking show you a solid 7.5

[Texas_Ranger]

Pretty good. The deaging looked nice. All 3 main actors did a good job, but Pacino was the one that I would say was the best. For me it was kinda long and i think it could have been shorter. Still, it's definitely one of the best films I saw this year, which was kinda disappointing for me. I'd give it 7/10.

[DAF86]

I always thought Pacino was a bit overrated but he killed it here. Might win the Oscar for best supporting actor.

[monosylab1k]

Would it be fair to criticize the movie itself for the story it was based on? Frank Sheeran seemed like a lying sack of shit.

So was Henry Hill, didn’t hurt Goodfellas any.

The flaws in this movie are mostly in Scorsese's sentimentality in doing a “one last ride” movie with his buddies. It led to a lot of bad decisions that would have been fixed with a younger actor.

[timtonymanu]

It was pretty good, but in terms of rewatchability, I don’t think it can top his other films like Goodfellas, Casino, Taxi Driver, and Wolf of Wall Street, for me.

It was great seeing Joe Pesci on film again, even though I thought his characters in other Scorsese films were more memorable.

[redzero]

So was Henry Hill, didn’t hurt Goodfellas any.

The flaws in this movie are mostly in Scorsese's sentimentality in doing a “one last ride” movie with his buddies. It led to a lot of bad decisions that would have been fixed with a younger actor.

Didn't Henry Hill gloss over the fact that he killed at least three people? He left good details out, while Frank Sheeran's story seems like bullsh.it. But you are right to an extent, because Goodfellas, The Wolf of Wall Street, and The Social Network were good movies despite not being accurate.

I guess, in the end, I would have been able to overlook the obvious lying if things like the bad CGI and extremely old actors didn't take me out of the movie. I wish Scorsese just used younger actors and broke the movie into two parts, but he doesn't have anything to prove to anybody anymore. It is what it is.

[DAF86]

Meh, I think part of the appeal was having these guys play those roles.

[SpursforSix]

Meh, I think part of the appeal was having these guys play those roles.

Kind of agree with this. I enjoyed it but imo, it was not even close to Goodfellas or Casino.

[Chucho]

Kind of agree with this. I enjoyed it but imo, it was not even close to Goodfellas or Casino.

Yeah...it wasn't and in fairness, it shouldn't be expected. Acting, like most talents, isn't age-proof. A bunch of granpas on both sides of the camera doing what they did extremely well the 40 years prior did something pretty darn good, all things considered.

[SpursforSix]

Yeah...it wasn't and in fairness, it shouldn't be expected. Acting, like most talents, isn't age-proof. A bunch of granpas on both sides of the camera doing what they did extremely well the 40 years prior did something pretty darn good, all things considered.

Yeah...this is true to a large degree. But even if this was prime DeNiro et al., I didn't like the story as well. I would have liked for them to have delved in to more of the local scene with Keitel instead of going off into the Hoffa story.

[Chucho]

Yeah...this is true to a large degree. But even if this was prime DeNiro et al., I didn't like the story as well. I would have liked for them to have delved in to more of the local scene with Keitel instead of going off into the Hoffa story.

I know you're into documentaries, you need to check my dude Al Profit's Hoffa Documentary. If you're unfamiliar with Al, he's probably the best gangster/mafia/urban organized crime documentarian and his good shit is good shit for shoe-string budgets.

[SpursforSix]

I know you're into documentaries, you need to check my dude Al Profit's Hoffa Documentary. If you're unfamiliar with Al, he's probably the best gangster/mafia/urban organized crime documentarian and his good shit is good shit for shoe-string budgets.

Thanks. I will check that out for sure. I just looked and I don't think I've seen anything he's done.

[Chucho]

Thanks. I will check that out for sure. I just looked and I don't think I've seen anything he's done.

Good stuff. His History of Detroit, Gangs of NYC during the 70s are really good. Heavy into black urban crime of the 70s and 80s.

[Monostradamus]

After rewatching it a few times, I actually think this movie is a masterpiece and top 5 for Scorsese. Goodfellas is more fun to watch, but The Irishman is the superior piece of filmmaking.

De-aged DeNiro is still clearly the worst part of this movie, but Joe Pesci’s performance is incredible and it’s by far his greatest performance, even better than Tommy in Goodfellas, or Harry in Home Alone. Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) have you seen this?

”I picked us over him.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5-tNOPUT2g

[Monostradamus]

If I’m gonna rank Scorsese, I’d go

1. Taxi Driver
2. Mean Streets
3. The Irishman
4. Goodfellas
5. Wolf Of Wall Street
6. The King Of Comedy
7. Raging Bull
8. The Departed
9. Shutter Island
10. The Color Of Money

[benefactor]

Ill have to give another go. I haven't watched it since my first viewing.

[Thread]

After rewatching it a few times, I actually think this movie is a masterpiece and top 5 for Scorsese. Goodfellas is more fun to watch, but The Irishman is the superior piece of filmmaking.

De-aged DeNiro is still clearly the worst part of this movie, but Joe Pesci’s performance is incredible and it’s by far his greatest performance, even better than Tommy in Goodfellas, or Harry in Home Alone. Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) have you seen this?

”I picked us over him.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5-tNOPUT2g

I tried it, but did not like it. And never got thru all of it.

[Thread]

If I’m gonna rank Scorsese, I’d go

1. Taxi Driver
2. Mean Streets
3. The Irishman
4. Goodfellas
5. Wolf Of Wall Street
6. The King Of Comedy
7. Raging Bull
8. The Departed
9. Shutter Island
10. The Color Of Money

The death knell in 10. is he shamelessly whines to the kids and quits because Whitaker takes his pants down, thus ruining what had been painstakingly put down (for us) from '61 to that very moment...the breaking of his thumbs behind frosted glass, the suicide by (her) [Perverted, Twisted, Crippled] the heartbreaking abandonment of his manager, all of it pissed away in 3 minutes.

Done is done, nothing you can do about it now.

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1. is the purest, the most beautiful. Setting the Shepherd girl in there like that was a stroke of genius. The violence is not hidden by the ratings, he must have been given a blanket pass to get it all thru to (us). It is a flawless motion picture event, and an American masterpiece. Film. American film.

[timtonymanu]

If I’m gonna rank Scorsese, I’d go

1. Taxi Driver
2. Mean Streets
3. The Irishman
4. Goodfellas
5. Wolf Of Wall Street
6. The King Of Comedy
7. Raging Bull
8. The Departed
9. Shutter Island
10. The Color Of Money

Taxi Driver is for sure my favorite Scorsese film as well.

[DMC]

Sorry this was a shitty movie.