**OFFICIAL Week 9 Game Thread, Sponsored By the novel, Push, the inspiration for Precious

[Pelicans78]

Darth_Pelican (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22958) Pelicans78 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15164)

Saints wasted Ingram's potential, no?

How do you figure? He was a Pro Bowler for the Saints too. Ingram finally got in shape in year 3 and took off from there.

[Millennial_Messiah]

fuck special teams, tbh

[Spurtacular]

How do you figure? He was a Pro Bowler for the Saints too. Ingram finally got in shape in year 3 and took off from there.

He should've been a Barkley from the start, tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

cheaters with the luckyass bullshit per par, tbh

[Millennial_Messiah]

of course Used Carr is the victim, tbh... Fuck Islam though

[Pelicans78]

He should've been a Barkley from the start, tbh.

It was his own fault he wasn’t. He was out of shape and injury prone his first couple of years. And they had guys like Pierre Thomas, Chris Ivory, and Sproles who were more reliable.

[Spurtacular]

did they? he had some good years for them, and kamara is an elite talent. if anything baltimore is underusing him considering the alternative is putting lamar at risk. gave ingram a decently sized contract to be the guy but his involvement has waned in recent weeks.

He had Adrian Peterson potential to run for big yards out of the gate.

[Pelicans78]

of course Used Carr is the victim, tbh... Fuck Islam though

Another infidel, another victim.

[Spurtacular]

It was his own fault he wasn’t. He was out of shape and injury prone his first couple of years. And they had guys like Pierre Thomas, Chris Ivory, and Sproles who were more reliable.

Maybe a misguided pick then.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Ravens have thoroughly outplayed the Patsies on both offense and defense. Can't get beat by fluke plays.

[Pelicans78]

He had Adrian Peterson potential to run for big yards out of the gate.

Not really. He was fat and soft his first two seasons and often criticized. Finally woke up in year 3.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It was his own fault he wasn’t. He was out of shape and injury prone his first couple of years. And they had guys like Pierre Thomas, Chris Ivory, and Sproles who were more reliable.
Khiry Robinson rings a bell, he won a playoff road game in 2013 by himself

[Spurtacular]

:lol Belicek pleading with his team. What a bitch.

[Millennial_Messiah]

ugh now this game is starting to get really sucky. All because of a fluke ass play. Crud

[Pelicans78]

Maybe a misguided pick then.

At the time it looked like it, but he turned it around and almost became the team’s all-time leading rusher. Though Latavious Murray has been a beast the last two games, he lacks Ingram’s explosiveness.

[Pelicans78]

Khiry Robinson rings a bell, he won a playoff road game in 2013 by himself

Yeah he was another RB who was more reliable than Ingram until he broke his leg.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I hate that the pats got Sanu tbh... yuck, anti patriotic first name tbh

[spurraider21]

He had Adrian Peterson potential to run for big yards out of the gate.
he never had peterson's breakaway speed man

[Pelicans78]

he never had peterson's breakaway speed man

Nor his ability to break tackles.

[Edward]

God damn Newhouse is fucking bad.

[Spurtacular]

he never had peterson's breakaway speed man

I didn't say that. He could've been a 1500 yd plus rusher from the get go. He never reached that mark once.

[Millennial_Messiah]

they'll overturn that to down by contact and a scrub kicker will kick a million mile field goal tbh

[Millennial_Messiah]

God damn Newhouse is fucking bad.
Newhouse has always been bad, and the guy they're counting on (Wynn) to come back, has never taken a significant NFL snap. :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

And they overturn it, of course, even though with any other team that would have been a classic *stands* call.

[Spurtacular]

That ball so obviously came out after he hit the ground. F'ing Redcoat Refs.

[Millennial_Messiah]

OMFG. What the fuck with these bullshit flukes. Hold on to the motherfucking ball.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Fuck Islam

[spurraider21]

I didn't say that. He could've been a 1500 yd plus rusher from the get go. He never reached that mark once.
ah, i think i misread ur post.

but early in ingram's career he looked like a bust, so i dont think it was in the cards for him to be a worldbeater from the get go. he then had a resurgence and put up big numbers. but kamara's talent was obvious and they had to get him involved too. plus you know with brees they were never going to be a team giving a RB 300 touches or anything like that

[Spurtacular]

ah, i think i misread ur post.

but early in ingram's career he looked like a bust, so i dont think it was in the cards for him to be a worldbeater from the get go. he then had a resurgence and put up big numbers. but kamara's talent was obvious and they had to get him involved too. plus you know with brees they were never going to be a team giving a RB 300 touches or anything like that

I don't know the full story. I just know he looked like a franchise RB / best RB coming out of college and was drafted two overall IIRC.

[Millennial_Messiah]

just literally gift wrapped them 10 points. once again, Ravens dominating the game, 2 complete bad-luck "great life cut short by ultra-rare form of brain cancer" type plays keeping Patsies in the game.

[spurraider21]

I don't know the full story. I just know he looked like a franchise RB / best RB coming out of college and was drafted two overall IIRC.
he was drafted #28 overall

are you thinking of trent richardson or something?

[Spurtacular]

he was drafted #28 overall

are you thinking of trent richardson or something?

I'm thinking of a dominant Alabama RB coming off a national championship. Perhaps his stock dropped. Looked like a top ten pick to me though.

[Spurtacular]

just literally gift wrapped them 10 points. once again, Ravens dominating the game, 2 complete bad-luck "great life cut short by ultra-rare form of brain cancer" type plays keeping Patsies in the game.

And now Lamar Jackson can't complete a three yard pass.

[spurraider21]

I'm thinking of a dominant Alabama RB coming off a national championship. Perhaps his stock dropped. Looked like a top ten pick to me though.
yeah, you're thinking of trent richardson. he went #3 overall to the browns, actually turned a solid rookie year, but then became a massive bust.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bogus call

[spurraider21]

i still dont understand ravens usage of mark ingram. he's proven to be a solid receiving back too (has had three 45+ catch seasons), and for a team that plays as run-game heavy as baltimore, you'd think they'd have a big screen game. ingram has 12 catches on the year.

theres no reason he should only have 8 carries so far today, given his productivity.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Adelmen is a faggot

[Millennial_Messiah]

How does fucking white faggot beat Earl Thomas?

[spurraider21]

:lol damn... a running back torching earl thomas

[Edward]

And they overturn it, of course, even though with any other team that would have been a classic *stands* call.
What is a “significant” NFL snap? Wynn started the season and was playing really well before his injury.

[Spurtacular]

:lol They want to give that TD to the Redcoats.

[MultiTroll]

Missed it. Was it Roughing the Brady call or legit unneccesary roughness?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Missed it. Was it Roughing the Brady call or legit unneccesary roughness?
it was ticky tack, but the pats only got 3 points.

Ravens desperately need a stop-n-score to open the 3rd quarter.

[Mitch]

Will Hunting monosylab1k Mitch Boston Pancake

:lmao

Dunno why you always quoting me, Andy. Ya pig fucker

[Millennial_Messiah]

Dunno why you always quoting me, Andy. Ya pig fucker
i don't fuck fat chicks like you, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) monosylab1k (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5048) Mitch (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36270) Boston Pancake (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8976)

:lmao
Appreciate the premature ejaculation anti-jinx, Andy.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Appreciate the premature ejaculation anti-jinx, Andy.
It truly was a jinx because the Patriots didn't get back into the game with their play, tbh. They couldn't move the ball really outside of the 2 minute drive, and almost every QB (Krap Cousins notwithstanding) can move the ball in a 2 minute drive against prevent defense. They got incredibly lucky with not one, but 2 once-in-a-blue-moon flukes.

[Mitch]

i don't fuck fat chicks like you, tbh.

You get called a slave by one, go figure

[Will Hunting]

It truly was a jinx because the Patriots didn't get back into the game with their play, tbh. They couldn't move the ball really outside of the 2 minute drive, and almost every QB (Krap Cousins notwithstanding) can move the ball in a 2 minute drive against prevent defense. They got incredibly lucky with not one, but 2 once-in-a-blue-moon flukes.
Keep crying about it, Andy.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You get called a slave by one, go figure
I don't know where you got that from, but that rumor is horseshit.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Alright Ravens. Got to get a stop to start the 3rd

[Millennial_Messiah]

ugh, fuck islam

[Millennial_Messiah]

ugh... 3rd down, got to get off the field. Stop the short stuff and you're golden. Dumbasses. Make him beat you deep

[Millennial_Messiah]

That's going to get called back, no question.

[Spurtacular]

:lol Today's Super Bowl MVP

[Millennial_Messiah]

"One lucky play deserves another." - Shaquille O'Neal, May 2004

[monosylab1k]

Jules needs to get back on the roids tbh

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol Today's Super Bowl MVP
I'm honestly stunned Patrefs didn't call "forward progress was stopped" or some sissy bullshit like that

[Millennial_Messiah]

gotta get a hand on that faggot muslim, tbh.... too many yards

[Millennial_Messiah]

what is up with this soft sissy zone shit?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Ravens need to start playing press and near the LOS tbh... they're chewing up way too much yardage

[Millennial_Messiah]

that whole drive was waaaaaaayyyyyyyy too fucking easy.... that bend AND break defense... just pathetic tbh.

[Spurtacular]

yeah, you're thinking of trent richardson. he went #3 overall to the browns, actually turned a solid rookie year, but then became a massive bust.

That must be it. Yea, Cleveland was a career killer for a solid decade plus.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:bang almost a third gifty gift

[Spurtacular]

Pats player blatantly lined up in neutral zone if not offside. No flag.

[Millennial_Messiah]

There's a Flacco-esque clutch pass we've all been waiting for Jackson to make

[spurraider21]

That must be it. Yea, Cleveland was a career killer for a solid decade plus.
he was traded to the colts after that decent rookie year and he fell apart. his vision was notoriously awful. so many lowlight films of him missing gaping holes and running in the wrong direction. he had plenty of physical talent though

cleveland getting a first round pick back for him was one of their best front office moves in a long time :lol

[Spurtacular]

Chris Collinsworth has been sucking Brady's dick all game.

:lol "Moves as well in the pocket about as anybody"

[spurraider21]

Chris Collinsworth has been sucking Brady's dick all game.

:lol "Moves as well in the pocket about as anybody"
mild hyperbole when there are guys like rodgers, but brady's pocket maneuvering/manipulation is still elite

[spurraider21]

ravens must not think lamar is a a long term qb with the way they seem intent on running him into the ground. i mean its not like read options to the outside where he can run out or slide. he's running up the middle and taking a pounding, and they do that pretty frequently

[Spurtacular]

I don't have faith in this "top five QB" Jackson to finish off Brady, tbh. But we'll see.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Jackson has been more Flacco(2012) than Jackson on this drive. Huge 4th down conversion.

[Spurtacular]

ravens must not think lamar is a a long term qb with the way they seem intent on running him into the ground. i mean its not like read options to the outside where he can run out or slide. he's running up the middle and taking a pounding, and they do that pretty frequently

Would you think that? Look at how he throws. :lol At whoever was classifying him as a pocket passer though.

[Millennial_Messiah]

ravens must not think lamar is a a long term qb with the way they seem intent on running him into the ground. i mean its not like read options to the outside where he can run out or slide. he's running up the middle and taking a pounding, and they do that pretty frequently
like I said, they have RG3 behind him which is basically a duplicate

[spurraider21]

Would you think that? Look at how he throws. :lol At whoever was classifying him as a pocket passer though.
i dont think anybody classifies him as that. and his throwing motion looks like he's throwing darts. not mechanically sound for sustained accuracy.

but he does have good arm strength and his running ability is outrageous. better than anybody not named vick.

[spurraider21]

like I said, they have RG3 behind him which is basically a duplicate
RG3 not nearly as elusive as lamar, never was. was probably as fast a straight line runner before injuries. lamar combines wilson's elusiveness with prime rg3's speed. and he's stronger than either.

[spurraider21]

i just think they're asking for trouble running him up the middle as often as they do. they better cap this drive with a TD though... brady is heating up

[Spurtacular]

i dont think anybody classifies him as that. and his throwing motion looks like he's throwing darts. not mechanically sound for sustained accuracy.

but he does have good arm strength and his running ability is outrageous. better than anybody not named vick.

Wasn't listening to the broadcast closely. Someone was saying that.

You can tell a passer from a runner. Passers want to throw downfield. That is not this guy at all.

[Millennial_Messiah]

RG3 not nearly as elusive as lamar, never was. was probably as fast a straight line runner before injuries. lamar combines wilson's elusiveness with prime rg3's speed. and he's stronger than either.
not sure about that... RG3 had legit 4.3x speed and he was very quick and elusive in 2012, gave the Cowboys and DeMarcus Ware all sorts of problems. Got out of sacks and gained first downs both with his legs and short arm throws. Huge nuisance. He probably would be a slight step down from Lamar at this point because he's played minimal NFL snaps in the past few seasons, but he's probably the best the Ravens could hope for in a backup.

[spurraider21]

Wasn't listening to the broadcast closely. Someone was saying that.

You can tell a passer from a runner. Passers want to throw downfield. That is not this guy at all.
i mean, they might have made a comment about how he's improved from the pocket compared to last year (not a high bar), but i dont think anybody generally characterizes his game as being a pocket passer :lol

[Spurtacular]

Vikes should've done more of this straight running with Tavaris Jackson when they had him. They made the mistake of pretending he could turn into a solid pocket passer.

[spurraider21]

not sure about that... RG3 had legit 4.3x speed and he was very quick and elusive in 2012, gave the Cowboys and DeMarcus Ware all sorts of problems. Got out of sacks and gained first downs both with his legs and short arm throws. Huge nuisance. He probably would be a slight step down from Lamar at this point because he's played minimal NFL snaps in the past few seasons, but he's probably the best the Ravens could hope for in a backup.
i'd rather have kaep than rg3

[spurraider21]

i just think they're asking for trouble running him up the middle as often as they do. they better cap this drive with a TD though... brady is heating up
big TD throw there. good call, good execution

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol Belicheat's fraudulent defense giving up 30 to gimmick offense

[Millennial_Messiah]

i'd rather have kaep than rg3
Eh... that would probably be the best other choice, but Kaep has even more rust than RG3 though. It'd be an interesting dynamism, but I don't think they just scrap RG3 for him at this point unless RG3 retires or something. Better to have the devil you know than the one you don't, and certainly better to have RG3 than a pocket passer like Flacco behind him, where you'd completely have to overhaul your playbook on a whim.

[Millennial_Messiah]

that missed extra point will likely be huge, could force overtime TBH (and we all know who will win the coin toss).

[spurraider21]

Eh... that would probably be the best other choice, but Kaep has even more rust than RG3 though. It'd be an interesting dynamism, but I don't think they just scrap RG3 for him at this point unless RG3 retires or something. Better to have the devil you know than the one you don't, and certainly better to have RG3 than a pocket passer like Flacco behind him, where you'd completely have to overhaul your playbook on a whim.
raven's OC is greg roman who was was successful with kaep in SF...

they specifically bumped him to OC to work with lamar this year

[Millennial_Messiah]

the Patriots dominating on the offensive line

[Millennial_Messiah]

Chip Kelly Eagles on offense for NE

[spurraider21]

lol wtf? brady with the arm-punt

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao Eat Shit pretty boy

ET3 bitches... Legion of Boom baby!! (where was that in SB49?) :(

[Millennial_Messiah]

raven's OC is greg roman who was was successful with kaep in SF...

they specifically bumped him to OC to work with lamar this year
Mmmmm... Interesting. I do think Kaep deserves a backup job in the NFL based on performance only, fuck politics tbh. But it's now Year 3 out of football and the more years he's out exponentially decreases his chances to ever come back.

[spurraider21]

Mmmmm... Interesting. I do think Kaep deserves a backup job in the NFL based on performance only, fuck politics tbh. But it's now Year 3 out of football and the more years he's out exponentially decreases his chances to ever come back.
yeah, i think his time out of the game is the biggest reason to avoid him at this point. which is ridiculous since his time out of the game was pretty ridiculous imo.

[Millennial_Messiah]

yeah, i think his time out of the game is the biggest reason to avoid him at this point. which is ridiculous since his time out of the game was pretty ridiculous imo.
Admittedly, it was majority his fault for making such a big stink and then turning down some contracts that weren't the dollar value he wanted circa 2017. Even with all the political stink crap he could have had a job if he wanted one but he refused to sign for a 1y/6m type prove it deal as a backup and then the next year when he was open to that it was kind of too late.

[monosylab1k]

Oh, they go up against a QB that isn’t dogshit and suddenly the McCourty Bros look like total ass. What a shocker :lol

[benefactor]

:lol not even bothering to mention Dak's name when talking about the tough upcoming QBs

[spurraider21]

ravens got a huge call tbh... big question is why they are wasting downs giving gus edwards and justice hill the ball when ingram has been their best player today (1 crucial fumble though)

[Millennial_Messiah]

An underrated aspect of tonight's game is that the Patriots are killing themselves with penalties tonight. Belichick will have them doing pushups, laps and suicides tomorrow at 8am sharp.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Oh, they go up against a QB that isn’t dogshit and suddenly the McCourty Bros look like total ass. What a shocker :lol
He is dogshit as a passer tbh. Just too many penalties and the great LB corps have had bad discipline in run gaps.

[spurraider21]

Oh, they go up against a QB that isn’t dogshit and suddenly the McCourty Bros look like total ass. What a shocker :lol
this complaint is ok by me tbh

:tu

[Millennial_Messiah]

ravens got a huge call tbh... big question is why they are wasting downs giving gus edwards and justice hill the ball when ingram has been their best player today (1 crucial fumble though)
...... maybe because Ingram has to last the whole season, and they already figure they have this game in the bag and want to distribute carries accordingly? Just a thought?

[spurraider21]

i mean clearly, there's a time and a place to use jackson like that. i just think they go to it too often

[spurraider21]

...... maybe because Ingram has to last the whole season, and they already figure they have this game in the bag and want to distribute carries accordingly? Just a thought?
its not like he's been getting 25 touches per game where its a concern

[Mark Celibate]

yeah, i think his time out of the game is the biggest reason to avoid him at this point. which is ridiculous since his time out of the game was pretty ridiculous imo.

tbh I don't think it was a question of whether or not he could play in the NFL, but more of he was a backup at that point and why would anybody sign a backup quarterback that would bring all the negative publicity with him?


​Admittedly, it was majority his fault for making such a big stink and then turning down some contracts that weren't the dollar value he wanted circa 2017. Even with all the political stink crap he could have had a job if he wanted one but he refused to sign for a 1y/6m type prove it deal as a backup and then the next year when he was open to that it was kind of too late.

I don't recall him ever getting an actual offer. The only team that I remember who was actually interested was the Ravens until his wife posted a Django Unchained meme on social media

[Millennial_Messiah]

Tick tock, tick tock tbh...

[spurraider21]

14 play, 9.5 minute touchdown drive. brutal. that penalty call was HUGE

[Millennial_Messiah]

tick tock... and there it is... :lol Patriots

[spurraider21]

tbh I don't think it was a question of whether or not he could play in the NFL, but more of he was a backup at that point and why would anybody sign a backup quarterback that would bring all the negative publicity with him?
that's legitimate, and i think i've spoken to that point too. i just find it absurd when people (usually conservatives who know jack shit about football like darrin) say things like "kaep's not out of the league because of his politics, its because he's a terrible player"

[Millennial_Messiah]

I had this pegged as a loss for the Patriots way back in July/August tbh.

[monosylab1k]

:lol
https://i.postimg.cc/25FScKqV/CDCA3-B03-39-C6-484-D-9-B29-DA1798-B32-C61.jpg

[MultiTroll]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eQylNMSHpP8/TylaP6Lq-1I/AAAAAAAAApQ/92L17SLc_qQ/s1600/TOM+BRADY+BALLERINA.jpg

[Millennial_Messiah]

that's legitimate, and i think i've spoken to that point too. i just find it absurd when people (usually conservatives who know jack shit about football like darrin) say things like "kaep's not out of the league because of his politics, its because he's a terrible player"
Well those guys probably didn't watch football in 2012 or 2013, when he was 4-0 against Aaron Rodgers including dousing him in the playoff twice for 300 combined rushing yards and 400 combined passing yards, gave the Legion of Boom fits with his running between tight holes and that signature rocket throw back to the middle across his body on the move that was surprisingly accurate and the same type of play we all love up Mahomes for today.

He definitely wasn't terrible in his prime, the problem is that he wasn't particularly effective in 2016 (albeit with a bad/gutted shell of a team) and hasn't played an NFL snap ever since.

[MultiTroll]

Did Brady get a hair transplant.
They showed him talking to Julia Edleman and he looked like Derek Zoolander.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol
https://i.postimg.cc/25FScKqV/CDCA3-B03-39-C6-484-D-9-B29-DA1798-B32-C61.jpg
Only pussies & assholes use the ignore feature on an internet message board.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol not even bothering to mention Dak's name when talking about the tough upcoming QBs
Dak will always be the darker skinned version of Alex Smith tbh while Watson is basically Warren Moon

[Millennial_Messiah]

This is the time of game if I'm Harbaugh I'm sending my 4th string special teams linebacker straight at Brady's ACL. 15 yard penalty? Who cares, the game is over. Win the season, NOW.

[Chinook]

14 play, 9.5 minute touchdown drive. brutal. that penalty call was HUGE

It's like when a team gets a try off a maul in rugby. Very demoralizing.

[spurraider21]

:lol mono put me on ignore approximately 8 seconds before making that post just to make a funny... trying so hard

[Millennial_Messiah]

Congratulations Chinook

Nice, well built team. Don't think they can win a Super Bowl until/unless Jackson ever is able to lead his team down the field with his arm, but it's a good night tonight. :tu :toast

[spurraider21]

It's like when a team gets a try off a maul in rugby. Very demoralizing.
i dont know what that means but i will trust that it is demoralizing

[monosylab1k]

It's like when a team gets a try off a maul in rugby. Very demoralizing.

Nice win. The Pats passing on Lamar for Sony fucking Michel will go down as one of Belichick’s worst decisions.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Wow... 15 pages for this week's Game Thread, season high for 2019. And you know what's great? We still have MNF tomorrow night... featuring the Cowboys. Should be awesome. :tu

[Chinook]

ravens got a huge call tbh... big question is why they are wasting downs giving gus edwards and justice hill the ball when ingram has been their best player today (1 crucial fumble though)

Edwards was a beast last year and had a TD tonight IIRC. Hill is there because he's a great receiver and probably the best in space (or at least that's the hope). One of the main ways to make a run-first/second team work is by spreading touches around as much as possible. In the same way you think Jackson should take fewer hits, Ingram is aging and doesn't need to do everything.

[spurraider21]

Edwards was a beast last year and had a TD tonight IIRC. Hill is there because he's a great receiver and probably the best in space (or at least that's the hope). One of the main ways to make a run-first/second team work is by spreading touches around as much as possible. In the same way you think Jackson should take fewer hits, Ingram is aging and doesn't need to do everything.
i hear you. edwards did have a TD today (ingram came off the field after his 50+ yard scamper to catch his breath). i dont have an issue with spelling him when needed, but he doesnt have the workload to justify as much relief as they are giving him. edwards hasn't been nearly as effective as ingram this year, and before today, ingram's screen game usage had been virtually non-existent to this point, something he was fantastic at with new orleans. even when kamara emerged as a weapon in the 2017 season, ingram put up 50 catches.

when the ravens picked him up, i thought in this offense, he'd be used a lot more creatively. he's still on pace for over 1100 rushing yards, so i might be being a bit harsh, but it catches my eye every time i watch a ravens game. ingram is already 30, and unless you're counting on a frank gore career, he probably doesnt have more than 2-3 serviceable seasons left in him, and the guaranteed money in his contract wont go beyond that anyway. might as well use him.

[Chinook]

Congratulations Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)

Nice, well built team. Don't think they can win a Super Bowl until/unless Jackson ever is able to lead his team down the field with his arm, but it's a good night tonight. :tu :toast

It's gonna be a balance between him running enough to open up the game and throwing enough to keep teams from committing to the run. He played well enough to win, but he hasn't really had a team commit wholely to stopping the run who wasn't the Dolphins. I think the Ravens would have a hard time beating the Pats if they meet in the playoffs unless Jackson takes another step as a passer.

[Chinook]

i dont know what that means but i will trust that it is demoralizing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVmaywPAhv4

[spurraider21]

figured baltimore was running away with the AFC-N... surprised to see Pitt has won 3 straight. up to 4-4 now

[Chinook]

Nice win. The Pats passing on Lamar for Sony fucking Michel will go down as one of Belichick’s worst decisions.

Thanks. A lot of teams were rumored to want him. I don't know if Bill was worried Brady'd run Jackson out of town or something.

[Mark Celibate]

Wow... 15 pages for this week's Game Thread, season high for 2019. And you know what's great? We still have MNF tomorrow night... featuring the Cowboys. Should be awesome. :tu

Over/under 30 for number of GarrettBot jokes?

[Millennial_Messiah]

figured baltimore was running away with the AFC-N... surprised to see Pitt has won 3 straight. up to 4-4 now

Steelers have a surprisingly easy backend schedule, so don't be surprised if they go 10-6 or so and earn a wild card birth.

[Spurtacular]

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[Chinook]

i hear you. edwards did have a TD today (ingram came off the field after his 50+ yard scamper to catch his breath). i dont have an issue with spelling him when needed, but he doesnt have the workload to justify as much relief as they are giving him. edwards hasn't been nearly as effective as ingram this year, and before today, ingram's screen game usage had been virtually non-existent to this point, something he was fantastic at with new orleans. even when kamara emerged as a weapon in the 2017 season, ingram put up 50 catches.

when the ravens picked him up, i thought in this offense, he'd be used a lot more creatively. he's still on pace for over 1100 rushing yards, so i might be being a bit harsh, but it catches my eye every time i watch a ravens game. ingram is already 30, and unless you're counting on a frank gore career, he probably doesnt have more than 2-3 serviceable seasons left in him, and the guaranteed money in his contract wont go beyond that anyway. might as well use him.

I think Ingram was there to be a dependable jack-of-all-trades guy with a great track record. Edwards and Hill are both young backs, and the team has had a few flashes in the pan like West and Allen disappoint after having great opening seasons. Having Ingram means the offense doesn't give away what it's doing. If it's Hill, you think they're passing, Edwards, running. Ingram, you don't know.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Over/under 30 for number of GarrettBot jokes?

I'll take the under until I see it, but I'd love to. Don't think they lose to the shitty Giants though. The Jets one they took for granted (might be the worst team in the NFL tbh) but the Giants are a division opponent and the Garrett teams historically get up for those (outside of winner take all week 17 matches).

[Millennial_Messiah]

I think Ingram was there to be a dependable jack-of-all-trades guy with a great track record. Edwards and Hill are both young backs, and the team has had a few flashes in the pan like West and Allen disappoint after having great opening seasons. Having Ingram means the offense doesn't give away what it's doing. If it's Hill, you think they're passing, Edwards, running. Ingram, you don't know.

and what, in the world happened to Alex Collins? He was supposed to be the second coming of Ray Rice for the Ravens 2 short years ago, then he fell off the face of the earth?

[Chinook]

figured baltimore was running away with the AFC-N... surprised to see Pitt has won 3 straight. up to 4-4 now

Yeah, they've squeaked out a couple of games. That the remaining match-up with Baltimore is in MD is a real boon.

I didn't think the Browns were going to be good this year, but it's crazy how bad they are. I will never question Tony Dungy's HoF status again, because Tampa is pretty much Cleveland South, but for about a decade, they were a top team. Now that they're fully past the Dungy era, they're right back to being awful no matter how many good/great players they get or who their coach is.

[Chinook]

and what, in the world happened to Alex Collins? He was supposed to be the second coming of Ray Rice for the Ravens 2 short years ago, then he fell off the face of the earth?

Yeah, that second year was terrible for him. Fumbled, lost confidence. The life for a fringe roster guy is crazy. The same thing could have befallen Edwards this season had the Ravens counted on him to be the bell-cow. That's why they got Ingram. He was cheap enough to where they could afford him even if Gus had played well, but you knew Mark wasn't going to disappear. He's been even better than expected, but I think ideally they want Hill to become the main threat out of the backfield (besides Jackson of course).

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah, they've squeaked out a couple of games. That the remaining match-up with Baltimore is in MD is a real boon.

I didn't think the Browns were going to be good this year, but it's crazy how bad they are. I will never question Tony Dungy's HoF status again, because Tampa is pretty much Cleveland South, but for about a decade, they were a top team. Now that they're fully past the Dungy era, they're right back to being awful no matter how many good/great players they get or who their coach is.
The Browns putting up a 40 burger in Baltimore and crushing the Ravens on their home turf was weird.

[Chinook]

The Browns putting up a 40 burger in Baltimore and crushing the Ravens on their home turf was weird.

Eh, it was like the opposite of the KC loss. Like in the Chiefs game, Baltimore had a chance to win at the end, but it really wasn't close. With Cleveland, it was a blow-out, but that's only because the Ravens melted down at the end trying to chase the lead. The biggest reason why the Ravens lost was because the guys they were playing (Peanut, Young and Jefferson chiefly) sucked at covering over the middle and in general played really undisciplined ball. They've been way better recently because the new guys (Fort, Bynes Clark) are able to play their positions and not make wholes with undisciplined play.

I'm not trying to say the Cleveland game didn't matter, but it's definitely a different team now than it was when they played in Week Four.

[spurraider21]

I think Ingram was there to be a dependable jack-of-all-trades guy with a great track record. Edwards and Hill are both young backs, and the team has had a few flashes in the pan like West and Allen disappoint after having great opening seasons. Having Ingram means the offense doesn't give away what it's doing. If it's Hill, you think they're passing, Edwards, running. Ingram, you don't know.
imo thats the real value of an every down/all purpose back. its not that they're getting 28 touches, its that defenses dont get queues. its also why the freeman/coleman backfied in atlanta worked so well. neither one was getting 28 touches, but neither one of them gave away the play call by their being on the field. same thing this year with breida/coleman in SF. its also why its refreshing to see the pats run the ball with james white every now and again

[spurraider21]

:lol

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[spurraider21]

have to give props to the ravens for going all-in on lamar. they designed their entire offense around him, both personnel and scheme. other teams would have tried to mold lamar to fit their system. last year they made the switch midseason and were ultimately limited because they couldnt install a brand new offense.

[FrostKing]

Just saw highligts on SC. Ravens are obnoxious ghetto showboaters. Very unlikable team. They'll get bounced in the playoffs like always and bitch in the media per par.

[spurraider21]

chicago has lost 4 straight and their rest of season schedule is pretty rough. that could turn out to be a damn good first round pick we're getting from them. tbh i wouldnt have guessed that the bears pick would be better than ours this soon after the mack trade

[Will Hunting]

imo thats the real value of an every down/all purpose back. its not that they're getting 28 touches, its that defenses dont get queues. its also why the freeman/coleman backfied in atlanta worked so well. neither one was getting 28 touches, but neither one of them gave away the play call by their being on the field. same thing this year with breida/coleman in SF. its also why its refreshing to see the pats run the ball with james white every now and again
To your point, it's still way too much of a giveaway depending on when Michel/White are on the field. Michel is also such a shitty receiver that when they try to pass with him on the field it hurts their offense. The only benefit to the RBBC approach is that you can argue it keeps the running backs fresh, but that's grossly outweighed by the benefits of a three-down all purpose back.

[benefactor]

have to give props to the ravens for going all-in on lamar. they designed their entire offense around him, both personnel and scheme. other teams would have tried to mold lamar to fit their system. last year they made the switch midseason and were ultimately limited because they couldnt install a brand new offense.
I'm so fucking glad O'Brien figured this out about Watson before it was too late. He was horribly stubborn and wanted run the plays he wanted to run instead of playing to Watson's strengths. The short passing game is not only keeping Watson clean, it's setting up the run. He's also getting much more creative with misdirection.

In the first four weeks Watson was sacked 18 times. In the past five he's only been sacked 7. He was sacked only once yesterday and that's with two starting offensive linemen out. Whatever Watson said to him after the Carolina loss apparently stuck.

[Chinook]

To your point, it's still way too much of a giveaway depending on when Michel/White are on the field. Michel is also such a shitty receiver that when they try to pass with him on the field it hurts their offense. The only benefit to the RBBC approach is that you can argue it keeps the running backs fresh, but that's grossly outweighed by the benefits of a three-down all purpose back.

There are times when you don't care if the other team knows that it's run or pass. Gus being bigger might make him better in short-yardage situations. Hill being a dynamic play-maker might make him more effective in third-and-long. It also helps that Jackson is such a good runner that he can do well in any formation and that their TEs are also such good receivers. That means that even if one of the other backs is out there, you don't know what play it is.

[spurraider21]

To your point, it's still way too much of a giveaway depending on when Michel/White are on the field. Michel is also such a shitty receiver that when they try to pass with him on the field it hurts their offense. The only benefit to the RBBC approach is that you can argue it keeps the running backs fresh, but that's grossly outweighed by the benefits of a three-down all purpose back.
is michel at least decent as a pass protector? because you can just have the other 4 eligible guys go out as pass catchers if he can function as a 6th blocker

[spurraider21]

about as good a game as he has played since gruden took over. and this with a backup center who delivered multiple bad snaps throughout the game (some in the highlights). they've quietly been one of the better offenses in the league for the past month or so.

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[Darth_Pelican]

:lmao Dak

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol Quack gives the Giants the ball at the five yard line, defense bails his ass out big time so the Cowboys only give up 3. What a start. Quack is a faggot.

[spurraider21]

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[Millennial_Messiah]

Turdboys waste a great 2nd drive with a turd field goal. Field goals are for turds. So now it's 3-3 and the Giants have the possession advantage because the Cowturds had the ball to start the game. Fuck

[Millennial_Messiah]

Let's go Lawrence

[spurraider21]

nice sack by lawrence. they didnt even flag the O Lineman for hands to the face

[spurraider21]

Let's go Lawrence
only one sack behind mayowa now :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

D looking good after the bye. Don't forget the Cowboys D didn't really get started last year until the 9th game of 16.

[Millennial_Messiah]

fuck you Garrett for settling for field goal... you get zero you carrot turd. And put your D in a bad spot. Fuck you

[Millennial_Messiah]

what a shitty ass first quarter

[Millennial_Messiah]

Michael Bennett already with his signature move... offsides and a free play. Smh

[Millennial_Messiah]

I fucking hate that faggot Golden Taint. Not as much as Aaron Rodgers but for a receiver for sure.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Ball game over now, ugh. I can't believe it. Two terrible losses to terrible teams in the same fucking stadium in the same motherfucking year. :pctoss :pctoss :pctoss

[GAustex]

Ball game over now, ugh. I can't believe it. Two terrible losses to terrible teams in the same fucking stadium in the same motherfucking year. :pctoss :pctoss :pctoss
Do not forget that Aaron Rogers ass whooping them ‘boys got.

[Millennial_Messiah]

fuck you Fudge Packer Randall Cobb :pctoss

[Millennial_Messiah]

Do not forget that Aaron Rogers ass whooping them ‘boys got.

you can't even spell your boyfriend's name right, tbh... what a lousy boyfriend you are

[spurraider21]

cowboys had 3 wins against cupcakes, followed by 3 losses (2 against good teams, one to the jets)... and then finally had a thoroughly impressive win against the eagles. and then this is how they come out following the bye? :lol...

[Millennial_Messiah]

fucking Bennett with another free play allowed... :bang

[Millennial_Messiah]

cowboys had 3 wins against cupcakes, followed by 3 losses (2 against good teams, one to the jets)... and then finally had a thoroughly impressive win against the eagles. and then this is how they come out following the bye? :lol...

9 years of jeckyll and hide, net 8-8 crap under Garrett.


#FireTheGinger

[Millennial_Messiah]

fuck faggot golden taint

[GAustex]

you can't even spell your boyfriend's name right, tbh... what a lousy boyfriend you are
Dallas would be elite if...they had Aaron

[GAustex]

I just do not get it.
Dallas seems like they should be better than they are.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Amari Cooper maybe out for the game, ugh... can we put a jersey on that cat and plug him/her in at WR? Seems to be faster than anyone else we got

[Millennial_Messiah]

Dallas would be elite if...they had Aaron

They could have had DeMarcus Ware and Aaron Rodgers. Instead they got Ware and.... Marcus Spears.

I always forever will curse Parcells' name for that one. That was a Parcells pick through and through because he wanted a 3-4 DE to be the cornerstone of his defense. Instead Spears ended up being... average, and Rodgers, welp you know the rest.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Jar Jar likes that stadium and playing the NY Giants in general.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I guess that ghastly first half was at least somewhat salvaged

[benefactor]

Regular season fodder game tbh

[Millennial_Messiah]

Where's the flag on that return play? Wtf

[Millennial_Messiah]

Dak is such a faggot.

3rd & 5, throws short of the sticks with 2 guys there for the tackle. Dumbass.

[benefactor]

Jones with the fumblefaggot bads...I didn't know he had that many

[Millennial_Messiah]

Finally the Cowboys catch a break out of 200.

[benefactor]

Just keep handing it off. Fuck it isn't quantum physics. They just gave a down away when they could have handed to zeke again

[Spurtacular]

I would've taken the +250 all day for NYG if I had been in Nevada.

[benefactor]

Dak can't run a simple zone read lol...and why the fuck do you even call that there?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Faggotboys squandering that fumble and field position with a shitty field goal. #FuckFieldGoals

[Millennial_Messiah]

seriously, where the FUCK is the flag on these fucking returns? :bang

[Millennial_Messiah]

You CAN'T GIVE UP fucking 3rd & 10 conversions, :pctoss this shitty defense...

[SuperCam]

My niqqa Dak you gotta take that 33 million when it's on the table son..

[benefactor]

Probably should have been offset penalties, but oh well lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

FUCK YOU MaraRefs...

[Millennial_Messiah]

I wish that ref's first child gets diagnosed with terminal brain cancer tomorrow. 100% serious.

[Millennial_Messiah]

That fatass Hernandez beaner needs to fucking die

[Millennial_Messiah]

Witten with the faggot drop. Would have been enough for a 1st down. :bang

[Millennial_Messiah]

Another blown opportunity. Cooper running too slow on the post route, FUCK

[Spurtacular]

I would've taken the +250 all day for NYG if I had been in Nevada.

Definitely wouldn't have done no -315 on the Cowboys. Safest money was +6 Giants; but I can see Cowboys beating the spread if the Giants implode here.

[Millennial_Messiah]

FINALLY a red zone conversion out of 20.

[spurraider21]

i woulda gone for 2... make it a 2 possession game

[benefactor]

:lol...the Giants finally run a screen to Barkley and here we are

[Millennial_Messiah]

fuck. Where is the flag on that screen?

[Millennial_Messiah]

& I remember the last time we lost after leading by 7+ in the 4th quarter... 2013 against Green Gay... Aaron Rodg- nope, Matt Flynn. :(

[Chris]

This color commentator is terrible

[Chris]

i woulda gone for 2... make it a 2 possession game

settle down Mike Tomlin

[benefactor]

Announcers tossing a ton of shade on the pass interference reviews. You know how this is going to go

[Millennial_Messiah]

Well at least we know it won't be overturned... no overturns on DPI since week 2.

[Spurtacular]

:lol The challenge standards.

[benefactor]

I have no idea why the fuck they even bother anymore

[Millennial_Messiah]

This color commentator is terrible

that's Booger McFarland.. he admits to pooping in games

[Millennial_Messiah]

another good RZ stop. Love that the defense kept their composure and didn't let the fluke Barkley play-du-jour turn into 6 or 7 points.

[MultiTroll]

Over the back early still good.

Don't use technology.
Ignore rulebook.

[Chris]

that's Booger McFarland.. he admits to pooping in games

He is god awful with his vanilla takes and he talks way too much. He's trying to do the Romo thing but he is not witty.

[Millennial_Messiah]

when is Wetback #71 going to be penalized instead of us? Jeezus

[Chris]

cut this March mofo after the game :lol what a dummy

[Millennial_Messiah]

seriously... FUCK THESE REFS

[spurraider21]

This color commentator is terrible
yeah, booger is comically bad

[benefactor]

Yeah that's not interference...I have no hope for officiating in this league. They all need to be fired and start over

[Millennial_Messiah]

FINALLY a make up call at long last.

I don't see enough for DPI either, but with the way this has gone against the Cowboys, it is justified 100%.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah that's not interference...I have no hope for officiating in this league. They all need to be fired and start over

Make up call.

[spurraider21]

settle down Mike Tomlin
eh, should be the standard call in that scenario. your odds of winning arent drastically different up 7 or up 8. 9 tho...

[Chris]

yeah, booger is comically bad

Witten was pretty bad too but he's definitely no upgrade

[spurraider21]

Witten was pretty bad too but he's definitely no upgrade
witten was bad but kinda lifeless. this guy is bad but overactive. being annoying is worse than being boring tbh :lol

[Chris]

eh, should be the standard call in that scenario. your odds of winning arent drastically different up 7 or up 8. 9 tho...

I like the extra point and force them to convert a 2 point conversaion imo low risk high reward

[benefactor]

Well that ballgame. Glad this ugly shit is about to end

[Millennial_Messiah]

I HATE the run call on 2nd and long.

[spurraider21]

I like the extra point and force them to convert a 2 point conversaion imo low risk high reward
the reward of forcing them to get a 2 point conversion isn't that big, whereas forcing them to score on 2 separate possessions is a massive swing.

[spurraider21]

that should be game

[Millennial_Messiah]

Touchdown Amari Coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooper


NO FLAGS!!! :ihit

[Chris]

Should be game but we're talking about the Cardiac Cowboys

[spurraider21]

I HATE the run call on 2nd and long.
i typically do too, but it think cowboys just wanted to run some clock, and zeke had been ripping chunks all game. he's averaging 6 ypc despite his longest run of the game only being 19.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Sean REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE is a Career Giants Killer.

[Millennial_Messiah]

i typically do too, but it think cowboys just wanted to run some clock, and zeke had been ripping chunks all game. he's averaging 6 ypc despite his longest run of the game only being 19.

you don't "run some clock" when you're up less than 1 score, tbh. Now you're up 12 so you "run some clock".

[Millennial_Messiah]

11/11 MNF is going to be the game of the year. Make a wish, boys.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Cooper has to catch that ball, that's a #1 receiver play he has to make

[spurraider21]

Cooper has to catch that ball, that's a #1 receiver play he has to make
cooper does a lot of things really well, but winning contested balls has never been his strength. his route running and speed usually allow him to separate enough where its not a concern

[Chris]

Hernandez getting away with muder out there :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Mara/Packerfag tried their best to pay off these refs. Unbelievable that that faggot beaner #71 Hernandez has started every fight, but the Cowboys ended up with all 4 out of 4 dead ball unsportsmanlike/unnecessary roughness calls. Wtf

[Millennial_Messiah]

Hernandez getting away with muder out there :lol

& yet they keep calling the fouls on the Cowboys every time... just disgusting from Goodell, who by no coincidence is in attendance for that game.

[Millennial_Messiah]

cooper does a lot of things really well, but winning contested balls has never been his strength. his route running and speed usually allow him to separate enough where its not a concern

Accurate. but a 1st round pick who is 6'2" 215 needs to learn it. I would expect Cole Beasley to not win contested balls, but surprisingly 5'7" 175 Edelman is better than Cooper at winning contested balls

[Millennial_Messiah]

Love that they ended the game with a defensive score :toast


It's been a good week, boys. Pats lost, Packers lost, Cowboys won. :toast :tu :smokin

[Chris]

& yet they keep calling the fouls on the Cowboys every time... just disgusting from Goodell, who by no coincidence is in attendance for that game.

Only thing I can figure is someone on the Cowboys is being a loudmouth and triggered the referee

[spurraider21]

shaky start for dallas, but they cleaned up. giants predictably unraveled while the cowboys played pretty solid and mistake free after that opening gaffe. not an overly impressive performance, but took care of business against a team they should beat.

[Chris]

Good team win hopefully no injuries

[Spurtacular]

Was worried the Giants would play a three-quarter game like that. Oh well.

[spurraider21]

Love that they ended the game with a defensive score :toast


It's been a good week, boys. Pats lost, Packers lost, Cowboys won. :toast :tu :smokin
good week indeed. raiders won, bears lost (we get their 1st).

next week is gonna have a lot of crappy games besides the primetime ones

thursday night is chargers-raiders
sunday night is vikings-cowboys
monday night is seahawks-niners

cant see one appealing game in the other slots tbh ... i guess carolina - green bay is decent. chiefs-titans? :lol

[Mark Celibate]

Hernandez getting away with muder out there :lol

Rofl

[Chris]

Rofl

:lol glad someone caught that

[Blake]

11/11 MNF is going to be the game of the year. Make a wish, boys.

:cry FIRE OPIE :cry :cry

[Chris]

good week indeed. raiders won, bears lost (we get their 1st).

next week is gonna have a lot of crappy games besides the primetime ones

thursday night is chargers-raiders
sunday night is vikings-cowboys
monday night is seahawks-niners

cant see one appealing game in the other slots tbh ... i guess carolina - green bay is decent. chiefs-titans? :lol

seahawks niners should be a great game but I hate both teams - hoping for a tie tbh

[TheCultOfPersonality]

I know Monday Night Football hasn't had the best games or matchups, I mean the Jets and Giants are going to be on MNF more than the Patriots, Chiefs, and Cowboys. Even the Bengals, Dolphins, and Redskins get MNF spots.

But 5 or maybe 6 of the next 7 MNF matchups should be intriguing.

Seahawks @ 49ers
Chiefs @ Chargers
Ravens @ Rams
Vikings @ Seahawks
Giants @ Eagles
Colts @ Saints
Packers @ Vikings

[Fat Brandon Bass]

Just keep handing it off. Fuck it isn't quantum physics. They just gave a down away when they could have handed to zeke again

Yep this was a throwback to 2011-2013 era GarrettBot play calling where they’d gash teams with the run only to waste a drive by getting cute and calling unnecessary passing plays

[Mark Celibate]

tbh Cowboy fans always talk about the Patriots and how they've benefited from a weak AFC East during the Brady/Belichick era but the NFC East has been about as shitty during The Bot's entire tenure with the exception of the 2017 Eagles. The division really hasn't fielded multiple teams capable of deep playoff runs since the mid-late 00's