CP3 is only a borderline hall of famer

[phxspurfan]

Just look at his peers, both currently and in history:

Tony Parker -- no comparison, really. Parker won finals MVP and played a critical role on 4 championship teams. Parker's team also beat CP3's team when CP3 was in his prime and had a stacked supporting cast (2007), on the way to his third championship and finals MVP. Parker was also an MVP candidate in 2009, whereas CP3 has never been a top 3 player in the league. Also led his team to win international play (Eurobasket).

John Stockton -- made the finals, led his team many years to deep playoff runs, only had one other great player (Malone) and one key role player (Hornacek) on his teams. Stockton also had olympic gold on his resume, as well as more playoff appearances.

Gary Payton -- made the finals, almost beat MJ's Bulls, better defender, won gold in 1996 and 2000 Sydney olympics, routinely led his teams to deep playoff runs. Fewer star teammates than CP3 (Kemp for a short period, Schrempf).

Jason Kidd -- no comparison. Kidd led multiple teams to the finals, won a chip with Dallas in 2011, second in MVP to Tim Duncan in his prime. Better stats and deeper playoff runs/more clutch plays in critical games. Won olympic golds in 2000 and 2008. Should've been on the 96 gold team as well.

The only real argument here for CP3 to be placed over these hall of famers in history is his longevity in the NBA, and higher scoring average. He is pretty borderline as a hall of famer, as a good NBA player that never led his team single handedly in competition, much less won championships.

[Chris Fall]

He’s not only a shoe-in, he should actually end up being one of the highest rated inductees, just a tier below the likes of Jordan, Wilt, Magic, Bird, and eventually LeBron. And not because I’m a huge fan. And not because I’d ignore his history for post season choking. But we’ve arrived to an era of statistical geeking so pervasive, particularly in baseball and basketball, that even unwittingly, it has affected everyone’s perception, from coaches and front offices to the media to the players themselves to fans and ultimately to those people who decide things like Hall of Fame induction.

Not an issue of being deserving or not. That’s a different debate. But that statistical geeking that has become so pervasive puts him high on the list in that league of shoe-in candidates when his time is up. Choker, stat-passer, selfish ball dominant ego, what have you. He’s an easy shoe-in. Thinking or arguing he’s borderline is silly.

[Yogatti]

if a career loser like tracy mcgrady can get in then I don't see why CP3 can't

[whitemamba]

does not deserve to be HOF

[basquetbol]

The basketball hall of fame is the easiest one to get into, Paul will be getting in once eligible after he retires.

[Clipper Nation]

CP0 will easily make the HOF just because basketball has the HOF with the lowest standards. In reality, if you look past his padded stats, CP0 is only "Hall of Pretty Good" status at best.

[phxspurfan]

Definitely not saying he won't make the HOF, he surely will. Fuck, all you need is some State Farm commercials to make the HOF these days. But IMO he's borderline due to the above logic, in comparing to his peer greats. But totally agree on the stats front, even though we might all agree that stats based rankings are super empty. If we go with just stats, guys like DeRozan are also surefire HOFers, even though we all know these guys' stats are empty calories.

[lefty]

Lol TP is a system PG
:lol benched by Clacton
:lol won FMVP against......





..... :lol Boobie Gibson


Come on now, CP3 is way better

[Joseph Kony]

9× NBA All-Star (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game) (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NBA_All-Star_Game)–2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NBA_All-Star_Game))
NBA All-Star Game MVP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game_Most_Valuable_Player_Award) (2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NBA_All-Star_Game))
4× All-NBA First Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_First_Team) (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season), 2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_NBA_season)–2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NBA_season))
3× All-NBA Second Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Second_Team) (2009 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season), 2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_NBA_season), 2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_NBA_season))
All-NBA Third Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Third_Team) (2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season))
7× NBA All-Defensive First Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_First_Team) (2009 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season), 2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_NBA_season)–2017 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_NBA_season))
2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Second_Team) (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season), 2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season))
NBA Rookie of the Year (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Rookie_of_the_Year_Award) (2006 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season))
NBA All-Rookie First Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Rookie_First_Team) (2006 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season))
4× NBA assists leader (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_annual_ass ists_leaders) (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season), 2009 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season), 2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NBA_season), 2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_NBA_season))
6× NBA steals leader (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_annual_ste als_leaders) (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season), 2009 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season), 2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season)–2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NBA_season))
Consensus first-team All-American (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men%27s_Basketball_All-Americans) (2005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NCAA_Men%27s_Basketball_All-Americans))
First-team All-ACC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference) (2005)
ACC Rookie of the Year (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference_Men%27s_Basketball_Rooki e_of_the_Year) (2004)
No. 3 retired by Wake Forest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Forest_Demon_Deacons_men%27s_basketball#Retir ed_numbers)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Basketball_Male_Athlete_of_the_Year) (2004)
North Carolina Mr. Basketball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Mr._Basketball) (2003)


Olympic Games (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_at_the_Summer_Olympics)


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Gold_medal_icon_%28G_initial%29.svg/16px-Gold_medal_icon_%28G_initial%29.svg.png
2008 Beijing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Summer_Olympics)
Team competition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_men%27s_Olympic_basketball_team )


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Gold_medal_icon_%28G_initial%29.svg/16px-Gold_medal_icon_%28G_initial%29.svg.png
2012 London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Summer_Olympics)
Team competition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_men%27s_Olympic_basketball_team )


FIBA World Championship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_World_Championship)


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Bronze_medal_icon_%28B_initial%29.svg/16px-Bronze_medal_icon_%28B_initial%29.svg.png
2006 Japan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_FIBA_World_Championship)
Team competition






Nah, he is a sure fire first ball HOFer. I hate that little shit but he's most certainly a HOFer

[DC23]

You missed Nash as an appropriate comparison but as Joseph Kony pointed out above he is definitely first ballot HOF.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

CP3 is a first ballot hall of famer. It's just that the point guard position itself is really overrated

[MultiTroll]

9× NBA All-Star (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game) (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NBA_All-Star_Game)–2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NBA_All-Star_Game))



























Kirby Bryant made the All Star game shooting 29% from the field.
He also made it one year he played 6 games in.

If you need the Fake News to determine talent that's on you Korny.

[phxspurfan]

Current peers:

Kyrie Irving -- NBA champion (beat the 73 win Warriors, no less). Much, much, much much better scorer. Not as good on assists. More explosive, more athletic. Same pedigree. Arguably already a better HOF resume, with much fewer years under his belt to accumulate empty stats.

Dame Lillard -- About the same resume (never made the finals, several recent deep playoff runs, much better scorer, less of a passer, less of a defender. Arguably basically the same type of resume. No one is saying Dame is a HOFer at this time.

Russy Westchuck -- The epitome of Empty Stats Guy. Past MVP. Made it to the finals, unlike CP3. Averaged a trip dub for a season or two. More athletic, less of a pure shooter, getting better as his career goes on at distributing. Already a HOFer at this point due to the trip dub seasons.

Curry -- HOFer, 1st ballot. Multiple championships. Arguably best shooter of all time. Plays PG but not really a true PG (like Parker and Dame Lillard). Much more of a HOFer than CP3 as his game changed the game. Makes CP3 look like a fucking dinosaur.

[UZER]

Magic got in, and he could only dribble with one hand.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol enrique mention in this thread..

[Greg Oden]

>Parker a top 3 player in the league

Just how big of a fag is op?

[AchillesHeel]

9× NBA All-Star (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game) (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NBA_All-Star_Game)–2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NBA_All-Star_Game))
NBA All-Star Game MVP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game_Most_Valuable_Player_Award) (2013 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NBA_All-Star_Game))
4× All-NBA First Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_First_Team) (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season), 2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_NBA_season)–2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NBA_season))
3× All-NBA Second Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Second_Team) (2009 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season), 2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_NBA_season), 2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_NBA_season))
All-NBA Third Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Third_Team) (2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season))
7× NBA All-Defensive First Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_First_Team) (2009 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season), 2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_NBA_season)–2017 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_NBA_season))
2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defensive_Second_Team) (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season), 2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season))
NBA Rookie of the Year (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Rookie_of_the_Year_Award) (2006 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season))
NBA All-Rookie First Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Rookie_First_Team) (2006 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_NBA_season))
4× NBA assists leader (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_annual_ass ists_leaders) (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season), 2009 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season), 2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NBA_season), 2015 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_NBA_season))
6× NBA steals leader (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_annual_ste als_leaders) (2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_NBA_season), 2009 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season), 2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_NBA_season)–2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NBA_season))
Consensus first-team All-American (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men%27s_Basketball_All-Americans) (2005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NCAA_Men%27s_Basketball_All-Americans))
First-team All-ACC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference) (2005)
ACC Rookie of the Year (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference_Men%27s_Basketball_Rooki e_of_the_Year) (2004)
No. 3 retired by Wake Forest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Forest_Demon_Deacons_men%27s_basketball#Retir ed_numbers)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Basketball_Male_Athlete_of_the_Year) (2004)
North Carolina Mr. Basketball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Mr._Basketball) (2003)


Olympic Games (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_at_the_Summer_Olympics)


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Gold_medal_icon_%28G_initial%29.svg/16px-Gold_medal_icon_%28G_initial%29.svg.png
2008 Beijing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Summer_Olympics)
Team competition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_men%27s_Olympic_basketball_team )


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Gold_medal_icon_%28G_initial%29.svg/16px-Gold_medal_icon_%28G_initial%29.svg.png
2012 London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Summer_Olympics)
Team competition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_men%27s_Olympic_basketball_team )


FIBA World Championship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_World_Championship)


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Bronze_medal_icon_%28B_initial%29.svg/16px-Bronze_medal_icon_%28B_initial%29.svg.png
2006 Japan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_FIBA_World_Championship)
Team competition






Nah, he is a sure fire first ball HOFer. I hate that little shit but he's most certainly a HOFer

At least someone has brains in this thread. Mitch Richmond is in the HOF and he has half the accolades with only 23 Playoff games to his name.

Paul is going to finish with close to 20k points, 10k assists and over 2k steals, imagine thinking someone who averages 19/5/10/2 for their career would be left out of the HOF :rollin

[Phillip]

>Parker a top 3 player in the league

Just how big of a fag is op?

almost as big as you

lol colts

[Dverde]

This whiny chock artist is getting in. He doesn’t need to play another game to get in. No discussion needed.

[Spurtacular]

The day you see Carmelo Anthony being inducted is the day you'll know HOF is a joke (if you don't already know it).

[daslicer]

The day you see Carmelo Anthony being inducted is the day you'll know HOF is a joke (if you don't already know it).

Vlade getting in shows that anybody can get in.

[phxspurfan]

The day you see Carmelo Anthony being inducted is the day you'll know HOF is a joke (if you don't already know it).

He fell off, but Melo was a beast back in the day. Probably too early for any Gen Z people to remember. But Nuggets Melo led that team to the playoffs a few times, and was a scoring champ, was a key piece on the Redeem Team and won multiple gold medals on team USA. Sure, he was a chucker but better than CP3 at his peak, IMO. Unstoppable force when going strong to the hole, and could shoot it too. Plus won a national title in NCAA. Also (with A'''''''''Mare) took the Knicks to the playoffs. That's gotta count for something.

[Spurtacular]

Vlade getting in shows that anybody can get in.

Vlade was a great player on one of the best teams ever, TBH.

[Spurtacular]

He fell off, but Melo was a beast back in the day. Probably too early for any Gen Z people to remember. But Nuggets Melo led that team to the playoffs a few times, and was a scoring champ, was a key piece on the Redeem Team and won multiple gold medals on team USA. Sure, he was a chucker but better than CP3 at his peak, IMO. Unstoppable force when going strong to the hole, and could shoot it too. Plus won a national title in NCAA. Also (with A'''''''''Mare) took the Knicks to the playoffs. That's gotta count for something.

Anyone can get Olympic Medals on stacked teams. His peak was a good NCAA run.