View Full Version : Why is Pop Still Coaching? Serious Question
First, this isn’t a fire Pop thread, or a who you gonna get thread.
Why the hell is the 70 year old man still coaching? What does he have left to prove? Let’s the reigns go already. Stop being selfish.
When you have to consistently ask yourself every game, does this guy even care anymore, it’s a problem. The guy knows how to win, so it’s not like questioning a scrub coach that sucks. He’s won 5 rings. But so many things he does these days makes little sense except in his “pop knows best” ways.
If you are not putting the best team on the floor every night, then what the hell are you still doing here?
playblair
11-01-2019, 12:09 AM
he is going to ruin team usa as well
Where else Pop make $11M per year?
Kurgan
11-01-2019, 12:10 AM
he is going to ruin team usa as well
He already did. Worst finish in US bball history this summer.
ShutUp SayItAgain!
11-01-2019, 12:22 AM
He loves doing the opposite of what hes supposed to do. Question him and he'll do it more.
TheRemix
11-01-2019, 12:24 AM
Pop has lost it. He should be letting lonnie get some burn but won't because he makes rookie mistakes here and there. Shit like that is going to happen. Pop is yanking him over stupid shit and is ruining his confidence. I feel like we won't see much of lonnie at all this season
Ditty
11-01-2019, 12:33 AM
I fucking hate Pop now. I hope Lonnie asks for a trade like Kawhi. He deserves better.
timtonymanu
11-01-2019, 12:45 AM
Basically trying to be the coaching version of Kobe in his twilight years. Shit the bed with his questionable rotations, calls out the players when he himself makes the call on who to play, being arrogant towards others and seeking the limelight. This guy should just retire and talk about politics some more since he shows more passion towards that these days.
poopbox
11-01-2019, 12:51 AM
I legit think Pop might be entering the Bobby Bowden phase of his coaching career...
Him calling Lonnie out for bad defense in the post game is beyond idiotic considering Marco and Patty are going to blow at least 1 defensive assignment or rotation on virtually every single defensive possession...
Like if I am Lonnie this is the stuff I remember two years from now when it it time to talk about my contract...I am going to remember how you consistently played bad veteran defenders in front of me but then called me out for my bad defense...
It's beyond sickening how every time murray makes a mistake in the open court he got to go talk to pop about it...every time lonnie makes a defensive mistake he got to go talk to pop about it...then come out the game...and before he h as even sit down on the bench marco's guy has a layup...
meanwhile derozan is closing out hard to keep mo harkless from shooting an 18 footer...so mo harkless can just go around him and go to the rim for 2 freethrows...and pop doesn't have anything to say to demar about that...
Obviously still early in the season but man Pop coaching has been at an all time low to start this season...
He is REPEATEDLY playing marco and mills together as if there is something to learn about that lineup...as if they are going to magically not be trash and magically do more than hit the occasional corner 3 but then instantly give up a layup to cut it to 1...
Very worrisome...
ElNono
11-01-2019, 01:06 AM
I legit think Pop might be entering the Bobby Bowden phase of his coaching career...
Him calling Lonnie out for bad defense in the post game is beyond idiotic considering Marco and Patty are going to blow at least 1 defensive assignment or rotation on virtually every single defensive possession...
Like if I am Lonnie this is the stuff I remember two years from now when it it time to talk about my contract...I am going to remember how you consistently played bad veteran defenders in front of me but then called me out for my bad defense...
It's beyond sickening how every time murray makes a mistake in the open court he got to go talk to pop about it...every time lonnie makes a defensive mistake he got to go talk to pop about it...then come out the game...and before he h as even sit down on the bench marco's guy has a layup...
meanwhile derozan is closing out hard to keep mo harkless from shooting an 18 footer...so mo harkless can just go around him and go to the rim for 2 freethrows...and pop doesn't have anything to say to demar about that...
Obviously still early in the season but man Pop coaching has been at an all time low to start this season...
He is REPEATEDLY playing marco and mills together as if there is something to learn about that lineup...as if they are going to magically not be trash and magically do more than hit the occasional corner 3 but then instantly give up a layup to cut it to 1...
Very worrisome...
This happens because Pop can’t yell at LMA, DDR or Marco without them asking for a trade. The whole ‘star will take criticism’ thing that worked with TD or Manu doesn’t work anymore, because, as seen with Kawhi, modern players will take their talents and money somewhere else.
I’m not necessarily defending Pop’s decisions, but it’s extremely difficult to coach when your stars have tuned you out.
poopbox
11-01-2019, 01:15 AM
This happens because Pop can’t yell at LMA, DDR or Marco without them asking for a trade. The whole ‘star will take criticism’ thing that worked with TD or Manu doesn’t work anymore, because, as seen with Kawhi, modern players will take their talents and money somewhere else.
I’m not necessarily defending Pop’s decisions, but it’s extremely difficult to coach when your stars have tuned you out.
Well thats pops fault isn't it? Perhaps he should try coaching in a way that veteran players don't tune him out?
Also, don't compound that awful team dynamic by huffing and puffing your chest out at a young player who you haven't even played 15 total minutes all year...
It's like all of a sudden Pop has the social awareness of a 10 year old...
Dude might need to get a ct scan and take some cognitive aptitude test...
ElNono
11-01-2019, 01:22 AM
Well thats pops fault isn't it? Perhaps he should try coaching in a way that veteran players don't tune him out?
Also, don't compound that awful team dynamic by huffing and puffing your chest out at a young player who you haven't even played 15 total minutes all year...
It's like all of a sudden Pop has the social awareness of a 10 year old...
Dude might need to get a ct scan and take some cognitive aptitude test...
Again, this is a two way street. Your stars need to be amenable to coaching. Worked with guys like TD that cared about winning. Now we have ‘stars’ that care more about touches or All Star appearances.
And I’m also, again, not defending Pop’s decisions. I’ve been critical of Pop’a infatuation with vets or personal pet projects that simply do a disservice to this franchise.
ElNono
11-01-2019, 01:26 AM
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Does this guy excoriate his players and call it "character development"?
That guy hasn’t won anything in the NBA either, tbh...
But, to your point, that guy has to do a good job or he’ll lose it.
ElNono
11-01-2019, 01:43 AM
The question isn't about WINNING CHIPS its about the approach to developing young talent. I offered you an alternative with proven results. Given enough time and talent Brad has an excellent chance of winning a Chip before he turns 50(like when Pop won his) to say otherwise is would be rather truculent. I don't think he was that harsh on Lonnie,
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But when you contrast it with this
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It Makes you think what it is that Pop Values in a Player, Talent, moxy,........????
I can not honestly say that Pop has "ruined" a guy with his approach but this is a different NBA and a different generation. I mean Kyrie is getting praise for Moods and shit.
What I feel this means (and just an opinion, don’t have information) is that Bryn put forth the work to earn that money.
I don’t know it’s related to Lonnie, tbh. But I do agree it does come off as absurd when your vets are trash night in and out.
BG_Spurs_Fan
11-01-2019, 02:31 AM
Lonnie getting the TP treatment from Pop :lol That’s actually a good thing.
duncan2k5
11-01-2019, 02:40 AM
He loves doing the opposite of what hes supposed to do. Question him and he'll do it more.
This tbh
Fireball
11-01-2019, 03:13 AM
weird statement by Pop ... he normally does not call out players by name after a game ... I think he played Lonnie to say this after the game and now he can send him to the end of the bench again :flipoff
What I feel this means (and just an opinion, don’t have information) is that Bryn put forth the work to earn that money.
I don’t know it’s related to Lonnie, tbh. But I do agree it does come off as absurd when your vets are trash night in and out.
I mean, we keep having this same conversation about a guy that should have retired 5 years ago. Everyone can see how his coaching style and philosophy just is just at odds with today’s game and players, fair or not. Hell, look at what happened to team USA. You can make excuses till the cows come home, but the bottom line is 7th place happened on his watch.
At what point does yelling / not yelling at stars not even matter anymore, and it’s just time to for him to move on, period. FFS he’s been coaching for over 20 years and is 70 years old. And He’s not even the same coach. This new Pop is a caricature of his old self. He just comes off like a stubborn old clown.
All these pointless shticks he’s developed over the last few years have become like the Emperors New Clothes with PATFO. Everyone is “admiring” his coaching outfits but they all know he’s just running around naked and are just to scared to speak up.
Slippy
11-01-2019, 03:59 AM
Lonnie getting the TP treatment from Pop :lol That’s actually a good thing.
Tp had a consistent role and mins tho. Lonnnie wouldn't mind the same treatment I'm sure
tbdog
11-01-2019, 05:02 AM
Lonnie was bad tonight. When he hit the side backboard on that corner 3, then whats the point. Not playing defense. Not hitting open corner shots. Not playing with effort.
pookenstein
11-01-2019, 06:37 AM
weird statement by Pop ... he normally does not call out players by name after a game ... I think he played Lonnie to say this after the game and now he can send him to the end of the bench again :flipoff
Hopefully he tried to light a fire in Lonnie because he plans on playing him bigger minutes tonight, so that LW can show Pop he can do better. Wishful thinking, I know.
Fireball
11-01-2019, 06:43 AM
Hopefully he tried to light a fire in Lonnie because he plans on playing him bigger minutes tonight, so that LW can show Pop he can do better. Wishful thinking, I know.
against the Warriors of old I doubt Lonnie would see minutes after such a statement by Pop ... but the average age of this years Warriors bench seems not much above Lonnie's age so he should get some burn ... could turn out into a Summer League like game :spin
weebo
11-01-2019, 06:50 AM
Pop has lost it. He should be letting lonnie get some burn but won't because he makes rookie mistakes here and there. Shit like that is going to happen. Pop is yanking him over stupid shit and is ruining his confidence. I feel like we won't see much of lonnie at all this season
Like Walker’s shit play won’t ruin his confidence?
SpurSpike
11-01-2019, 09:26 AM
When they interviewed pop before the clippers game i thought it was stange when pop was talking about the blazers game that they where down 16 or 17 points and then later in the game up 16 or 17 points....
You would think a professional who reviews games would at least get the point swings correct, they were 19 point swings on both ends... makes me wonder if he even really reviews these games at all if he cant even remember those simple details. I guess that's not the kind of thing a coach is focusing on though, but still seemed strange to me.
J_Paco
11-01-2019, 09:50 AM
So much agenda spinning and crying in the thread. No surprise for the "new ST" where people cry, bitch and moan instead of having anything insightful, smart or analytical to say......
"This isn't a 'fire the coach thread,' but why is he still coaching? Uh duh........"
Two answers, idiot, he still loves to coach and he's the best coach this franchise has ever had. I think, even at his older age and supposed "senile" level, he still knows how to do that better than any else in the NBA....
Calling Walker IV out by name was harsh, but he isn't gonna scream in his face and go ballistic on the sidelines anymore. Needs to show that kid that he expects more and sees some great in him.
Nah, why not just go through a coach carousel like Phoenix/Sacramento and end up with constant lottery pick busts instead?
Big P
11-01-2019, 10:04 AM
I love how he wins the "Best coach in the NBA" from a survey of players, yet no one ever wants to come and play for him..I think that says everything....He should have handed the team over to Udoka and if he didn't want to quit being on the team, you know the Spurs would let him pick his title and salary in the FO.
Mugen
11-01-2019, 10:08 AM
He likes the per diem and the restaurants tbh. I'd say the actual competition aspect is probably 3rd or 4th on the list of reasons why, he hasn't given a fuck since 2014.
SpaceCoast Spursfan
11-01-2019, 10:50 AM
Obviously Pop is a great coach, but pretty much every legend, especially those who stay at one organization, eventually lose effectiveness. Maybe they get stuck in their ways and reluctant to change or maybe the generational/culture gap just becomes too big and they lose the ability to communicate as effectively with the players. Maybe they just can't put in the same intensity/hours they did when younger. Add to all of the above you become a victim of your own success & tenure losing valuable organizational members/players. Whatever the reason I am firmly on the wagon of the time has come for Pop to move on. I will continue to support Pop and the Spurs, but hope he and the organization can embrace the youth movement and make a transition soon.
MultiTroll
11-01-2019, 11:29 AM
$$$$ wine growing land and operations with investment group of Pao Gasol, Bonner, Patty, LMA?
Thus needs to keep fat checks rolling.
Trill Clinton
11-01-2019, 11:48 AM
at 70 years old Pop is still the best coach in the league and its not close. Why would we not want him coaching this team?
Arcadian
11-01-2019, 01:16 PM
1. He wanted to surpass Jerry Sloan's record for longest tenure. Now he's done that.
2. He actually loves coaching and wouldn't know what to do with himself otherwise.
3. He sees the young talent on the team and doesn't want to retire too soon (in case they end up being title-contending material).
Why didn't OP make this thread after the first three wins?
One loss on the road against a contender... and this disgrace of a thread.
Now ask all the posters what coach they'd prefer for the spurs if their house was on the line, they would all pick Becky or John Doe over Pop of course.
If not for Nephew pulling a Nephew, spurs would still be on top and maybe would have won a chip last year. Spurs have recovered pretty well, have young talent and are 3-1 so far... I'll take it.
TheRemix
11-01-2019, 02:44 PM
Like Walker’s shit play won’t ruin his confidence?
He needs to play against NBA talent and get through the growing pains. Walker has a lot of potential.
TD 21
11-01-2019, 04:34 PM
A combination of ego, love of the game, nothing better to do and being unable to let go.
More than anything, he seems determined to embed the "culture" in what appears, for now at least, to be the future core (this is why he wants Duncan and Ginobili involved), show that Scumbag isn't going to be the death of the "Spurs way" and that he can succeed without a first ballot Hall-of-Famer.
What he doesn't seem to get, is that all that's a pipedream. How can this organization ever move forward if there's constant reminders of the past at every turn? You can see and hear the frustration in Aldridge every time he's asked about Duncan.
You got players from a different generation and culture, they probably resent having the old way beat into them. Right now, none of the young guys has the cache to voice it though and the mid 3 go along with it because this is probably the only team where they can make the money and have the role they do, play their archaic style and win to a certain extent.
sasaint
11-01-2019, 04:50 PM
I've been thinking about this since yesterday Nono. Pop got stuck in a bit of a Chinese handcuff situation of his construction.
He has to be that dude with the young guys to develop them as he sees fit, Lonnie, Bryn, White, Luka, Keldon, and possibly Witherspoon, but he also has to deal with Divas and head cases like DDpression and Aldridge.
We, as fans, see this disparity; it seems unfair. I mean bitching at Lonnie for his defense while ignoring the barn doors that are Mills and Belli, our natural reaction is WTF? When you don't just go with "the process" of rebuilding, things like this happen.
They are rebuilding but are selling us(maybe themselves) on a remodel.
I dunno?
I see Lonnie and Derrick as a potential 2 guard combo like Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars, Tim Hardaway and Mitch Richmond, (all say it) Steph Curry and Clay Thompson but Poop and his Cult Following on the Board see something else.
The Future is going to be built around those two playing TOGETHER, Starting TOGETHER, fighting TOGETHER, not AGAINST each other. This is what you make when you try to hang on to lost causes like Aldridge, DDpression, Patty in the name of "Culture."
With Pop and TIMMY as coaches do you need these guys, with their glaring deficiencies, as Culture Proxies on the court and in practice?
Good term - "Culture Proxy." :tu
I actually don't mind a Culture Proxy on the active roster. But when that/those guys are scrubs and your pseudo-stars are the opposite you are in trouble. The counter-culture overwhelms the Culture Proxies. If the Culture Proxies are scrubs, you need to jettison them. If the pseudo-stars are of the opposite ilk, you need to jettison them, too. Unfortunately doing that all at once would completely gut the team, so you keep the CPs until the counters are gone, then you can afford to dump them. A possible explanation/justification of many of Pop's recent moves and his retention of the current roster...
sasaint
11-01-2019, 04:54 PM
A combination of ego, love of the game, nothing better to do and being unable to let go.
More than anything, he seems determined to embed the "culture" in what appears, for now at least, to be the future core (this is why he wants Duncan and Ginobili involved), show that Scumbag isn't going to be the death of the "Spurs way" and that he can succeed without a first ballot Hall-of-Famer.
What he doesn't seem to get, is that all that's a pipedream. How can this organization ever move forward if there's constant reminders of the past at every turn? You can see and hear the frustration in Aldridge every time he's asked about Duncan.
You got players from a different generation and culture, they probably resent having the old way beat into them. Right now, none of the young guys has the cache to voice it though and the mid 3 go along with it because this is probably the only team where they can make the money and have the role they do, play their archaic style and win to a certain extent.
I think Derrick fits the "Spurs way" to a T. I hope Murray will embrace it to a great extent, because he is developing the cache, and he has the alpha character to be a true team leader/face of the franchise.
KobesAchilles
11-01-2019, 05:37 PM
He’s gotta empty house to return to tbh. Probably doesn’t want to be in it.
Joseph Kony
11-01-2019, 05:41 PM
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Does this guy excoriate his players and call it "character development"?
agree with the point youre making in general but stevens isnt a great example since he got tuned out by his entire team last year and couldnt manage the egos in the lockeroom at all :lol
Joseph Kony
11-01-2019, 07:14 PM
sasaint (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=12242) This is an example of what you speak of. Kyrie came into Stevens Culture and fucked it all up. Jose (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=32937)ph Koney we'll see if he can repair the damage Kyrie and Ainge did but you have to admit he did build a culture, a system and developed young players. He is only 43.
ehh....he got overrated for winning 50 games in a weak east and then having that year overachieving and making the WCF while Kyrie was out. he built a nice system around Thomas that one year. but overall he hasnt really accomplished anything or built any kind of real culture there imo. Stevens is the most overrated coach in the nba by a wide margin imho
lefty
11-01-2019, 07:15 PM
He’s never coached tbh
Slippy
11-01-2019, 07:22 PM
Obviously Pop is a great coach, but pretty much every legend, especially those who stay at one organization, eventually lose effectiveness. Maybe they get stuck in their ways and reluctant to change or maybe the generational/culture gap just becomes too big and they lose the ability to communicate as effectively with the players. Maybe they just can't put in the same intensity/hours they did when younger. Add to all of the above you become a victim of your own success & tenure losing valuable organizational members/players. Whatever the reason I am firmly on the wagon of the time has come for Pop to move on. I will continue to support Pop and the Spurs, but hope he and the organization can embrace the youth movement and make a transition soon.
Agree. Just maybe its that time. Wouldnt mind a pat riley like transition where he retains the final control of the team but allows a younger protege to take over.
Roscoe P. Coltrane
11-01-2019, 07:30 PM
he is going to ruin team usa as wellhe already did.
RC_Drunkford
11-01-2019, 07:36 PM
here's a nice video breakdown. I especially enjoyed the part of Milli Belinelli defense with Becky and Will Hardy shaking their heads :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MntSPgIjlag
Roscoe P. Coltrane
11-01-2019, 07:36 PM
Well thats pops fault isn't it? Perhaps he should try coaching in a way that veteran players don't tune him out?
Also, don't compound that awful team dynamic by huffing and puffing your chest out at a young player who you haven't even played 15 total minutes all year...
It's like all of a sudden Pop has the social awareness of a 10 year old...
Dude might need to get a ct scan and take some cognitive aptitude test...Some players respond to being yelled at and some fall apart. It's knowing that not all personalities are the same.
ShutUp SayItAgain!
11-02-2019, 02:05 AM
here's a nice video breakdown. I especially enjoyed the part of Milli Belinelli defense with Becky and Will Hardy shaking their heads :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MntSPgIjlag
Someone send this to Pop
jjktkk
11-02-2019, 11:14 AM
Lol, Spurs 4-1, and some want him to retire.
Slippy
11-02-2019, 07:55 PM
Someone send this to Pop
Pointless. Pop will watch video. By next day he'll remember that one uncompetitive rebound Lonnie gave away to Montress Harrell and forget about all the good plays.
Keepin' it real
11-02-2019, 11:18 PM
The question isn't about WINNING CHIPS its about the approach to developing young talent. I offered you an alternative with proven results. Given enough time and talent Brad has an excellent chance of winning a Chip before he turns 50(like when Pop won his) to say otherwise is would be rather truculent. I don't think he was that harsh on Lonnie,
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But when you contrast it with this
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It Makes you think what it is that Pop Values in a Player, Talent, moxy,........????
I can not honestly say that Pop has "ruined" a guy with his approach but this is a different NBA and a different generation. I mean Kyrie is getting praise for Moods and shit.
We've heard about "corporate knowledge" with the Spurs before, and this reeks of a corporate environment.
- a boss who thinks he's God
- annoying, untalented brown-nosers getting ahead at the expense of better personnel
- strong, talented personnel are made scapegoats and called out by management.
Pop is totally running this team like a corporation. That stinks.
I’m high in Lonnie’s potential. Pop’s giving him the Parker treatment tells me he is too. If Pop makes y’all seek safe space, fine, but I bet LW4 is good with being coached proper.
Keepin' it real
11-04-2019, 02:49 PM
Why is Pop still coaching?
Don't worry. Looks like he's transitioning already.
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elbamba1
11-04-2019, 04:34 PM
Lonnie getting the TP treatment from Pop :lol That’s actually a good thing.
Not really though because Tony Parker played every game and he played a lot. Walker has had barely any relevant playing time this year.
I’m high in Lonnie’s potential. Pop’s giving him the Parker treatment tells me he is too. If Pop makes y’all seek safe space, fine, but I bet LW4 is good with being coached proper.
People have such short memories. It's not like Tony and Manu were the only Spurs success stories.
In recent memory, PATFO has turn Cory Joseph, Aron Baynes, Kawhi Leonard, Dejounte Murray, and Derrick White into good-to-great players following the same tough-love mentality.
But people are still all :cry why is Pop being mean to Lonnie!? :cry
Slippy
11-04-2019, 07:35 PM
People have such short memories. It's not like Tony and Manu were the only Spurs success stories.
In recent memory, PATFO has turn Cory Joseph, Aron Baynes, Kawhi Leonard, Dejounte Murray, and Derrick White into good-to-great players following the same tough-love mentality.
But people are still all :cry why is Pop being mean to Lonnie!? :cry
Pls correct me if I'm inaccurate . Those guys you listed all had done their 1st yr penance and by second had consistent role/mins. Seems to me Lonnie is the new standard.
Pls correct me if I'm inaccurate . Those guys you listed all had done their 1st yr penance and by second had consistent role/mins. Seems to me Lonnie is the new standard.
Lonnie's "first year" got put on the back burner due to the torn meniscus. He rehabbed and spent most of the year in Austin, and for good reason (shorter schedule, lesser competition). No reason to try to rush the kid back after an injury like that and threaten his entire career.
For all intents and purposes, this is basically Lonnie's first real year...and it's going about as expected tbh. Pop is giving him tough love to start the year, but I expect him to be in the rotation by the end of it considering how high they are on him.
Lonnie's "first year" got put on the back burner due to the torn meniscus. He rehabbed and spent most of the year in Austin, and for good reason (shorter schedule, lesser competition). No reason to try to rush the kid back after an injury like that and threaten his entire career.
For all intents and purposes, this is basically Lonnie's first real year...and it's going about as expected tbh. Pop is giving him tough love to start the year, but I expect him to be in the rotation by the end of it considering how high they are on him.
Jesus fucking christ some of you will go to any lengths to defend Pop. Now Lonnie's first year doesn't count and this is his "real" first year? :lol
I know Pop is the GOAT but god damn some of you act like the man is incapable of being wrong.
Jesus fucking christ some of you will go to any lengths to defend Pop. Now Lonnie's first year doesn't count and this is his "real" first year? :lol
I know Pop is the GOAT but god damn some of you act like the man is incapable of being wrong.
It’s unreal how they will go along with anything the guy does.
jjktkk
11-04-2019, 08:43 PM
It’s unreal how they will go along with anything the guy does.
Yeah because "the guy" as you called him has a little more credibility than some fan who doesn't like him and thinks he's too mean to players. Of course he's not perfect, he makes a lot of questionable moves. The bottom line is the wins and losses.
Jesus fucking christ some of you will go to any lengths to defend Pop. Now Lonnie's first year doesn't count and this is his "real" first year? :lol
I know Pop is the GOAT but god damn some of you act like the man is incapable of being wrong.
Time will tell if Pop is right or wrong. We've been down this road before, and more often than not...he has been right.
Yes, it sucks his trajectory got fucked up by his injury. That's not Pop's fault. And yes...his career is more important than us winning a few more games this year.
Lonnie doesn't look NBA-ready yet, point blank. He has shown flashes of good, and even more flashes of bad. The Spurs aren't going to lose games to try to give him time to develop.
Like I said, I still expect Lonnie will supplant Marco in the rotation by the end of the year. Maybe you should stop knee-jerking after 6 games of an 82-game season. Walker is not going to go out there and be our savior right now.
GAustex
11-04-2019, 08:59 PM
Yep Pop is not perfect but he has all those wins...mostly accumulated when Duncan played
ElNono
11-04-2019, 09:57 PM
I’m glad he’s still coaching, it gives him a good soapbox to bring awareness about the corrupt, traitor President we have tbh.
We live in perilous times, with a resurgence of racist, white supremacist rhetoric, and where very serious matters like gender equality are not talked about enough.
We’re just fortunate to have guys like him or Kerr in the NBA right now, which are not only successful but woke tbh
ElNono
11-04-2019, 10:18 PM
:fishing
J_Paco
11-04-2019, 10:30 PM
Yep Pop is not perfect but he has all those wins...mostly accumulated when Duncan played
Umm, he's still winning, although not at the same rate or level, without the big three.
I think he understands and appreciates the greatness of those three and the traitor Nephew more than anyone.
And for the 1,000,000 time all coaches need talent to succeeded in the NBA. Pop isn't immune to that fact no matter his coaching ability....
alpha_HaZE
11-05-2019, 07:00 PM
First, this isn’t a fire Pop thread, or a who you gonna get thread.
Why the hell is the 70 year old man still coaching? What does he have left to prove? Let’s the reigns go already. Stop being selfish.
When you have to consistently ask yourself every game, does this guy even care anymore, it’s a problem. The guy knows how to win, so it’s not like questioning a scrub coach that sucks. He’s won 5 rings. But so many things he does these days makes little sense except in his “pop knows best” ways.
If you are not putting the best team on the floor every night, then what the hell are you still doing here?
A better question is why you are still posting.
SayTown
11-09-2019, 07:24 PM
Pop is still coaching because he wants to cement Duncan's legacy as the second best player ever behind MJ. He wants everyone to know that not only is he overrated as a coach he is also detrimental and Duncan could of won even more with a different coach and also all the championships and winning was all because of Timmy.
Dverde
11-09-2019, 07:30 PM
Pop is still coaching because he wants to cement Duncan's legacy as the second best player ever behind MJ. He wants everyone to know that he is overrated as a coach and all the championships and winning was all because of Timmy.
Nephew put in some nails in Pop’s legacy winning a title the first year away from him.
r0drig0lac
11-09-2019, 08:35 PM
Pop is still coaching because he wants to cement Duncan's legacy as the second best player ever behind MJ. He wants everyone to know that not only is he overrated as a coach he is also detrimental and Duncan could of won even more with a different coach and also all the championships and winning was all because of Timmy.
I'm fine with that
ginobilized
11-09-2019, 09:08 PM
I'm starting to think that the reason Pop has Timmy on the bench this year is to send himself out in style.
We'll see how it plays out, but, I can't see Pop doing this for another season. This is going to be quite demoralizing if this is the new-look Spurs team.
The energy, talent and cohesion is so far off right now. Hope it changes, but, not certain it can with this squad.
ducks
11-09-2019, 09:10 PM
at 70 years old Pop is still the best coach in the league and its not close. Why would we not want him coaching this team?
Lol Clinton lover
sasaint
11-09-2019, 09:33 PM
Pop isn't a "FINE MIND" in the game anymore when you refuse to shoot 3's to keep pace with Today's NBA and a team that embraces that comes in and goes raw in you booty hole. Pop is DUNZO peoples. Hopefully at Enrique's special party on Monday he calls an audible on his career and hangs it up.
If it is left up to Pop he will never hang ‘em up - at least not until he has dug the team into a deep lottery hole and had health issues as a consequence.
paperboy77
11-09-2019, 09:39 PM
Did y'all see this fuckers demeanor after the game? I'm sick and tired of his nonchalant attitude towards losses. Look a the box score and it looks like shit.. the minutes.. the points... everything. The minute spread is that of an all world roster that's all time great. Done with Pop. He was great but now he's just milking the system. Fuck the owner too for not giving a shit either! Where's Brent Barry? Isn't he management now? Where's RC? Worst of all where's the goddam local media all over Pop? Instead Max Kellerman questioned SAS why Pop wasn't in his top whatever list? These people still think the guy is what he was. Just done with this iteration of the front office.
(That is until they start meshing.)
Did y'all see this fuckers demeanor after the game? I'm sick and tired of his nonchalant attitude towards losses. Look a the box score and it looks like shit.. the minutes.. the points... everything. The minute spread is that of an all world roster that's all time great. Done with Pop. He was great but now he's just milking the system. Fuck the owner too for not giving a shit either! Where's Brent Barry? Isn't he management now? Where's RC? Worst of all where's the goddam local media all over Pop? Instead Max Kellerman questioned SAS why Pop wasn't in his top whatever list? These people still think the guy is what he was. Just done with this iteration of the front office.
(That is until they start meshing.)
He so in love with his “it’s just basketball” philosophy, when they lose, it’s like he takes the meh attitude to another level on purpose. :lol
ShutUp SayItAgain!
11-09-2019, 11:23 PM
He so in love with his “it’s just basketball” philosophy, when they lose, it’s like he takes the meh attitude to another level on purpose. :lol
Totally on purpose
It’s less than 10 games in. Y’all triggered fans are just panicked that your dumpster fire is getting impeached. ��
timtonymanu
11-09-2019, 11:42 PM
It’s less than 10 games in. Y’all triggered fans are just panicked that your dumpster fire is getting impeached. ��
Gotta love how cliche all these old school posters are. Y’all belong on Reddit.
paperboy77
11-09-2019, 11:53 PM
It’s less than 10 games in. Y’all triggered fans are just panicked that your dumpster fire is getting impeached. ��
Yeah only ten games. I get it about a talented team that will figure it out. It's more about Pop. HISTORY dictates he'll fuck things up. He'll overthink it i guess. That or he's too old to notice the details. Would anyone think Duncan would be good at 45? No... so wouldn't someones mind at 70! Not fair to him or us... he's gotta go and the FO has make that call.
Do you all really think they can beat a top team in the WCF or Finals?
paperboy77
11-09-2019, 11:53 PM
Yeah only ten games. I get it about a talented team that will figure it out. It's more about Pop. HISTORY dictates he'll fuck things up. He'll overthink it i guess. That or he's too old to notice the details. Would anyone think Duncan would be good at 45? No... so wouldn't someones mind at 70! Not fair to him or us... he's gotta go and the FO has make that call.
Do you all really think they can beat a top team in the WCF or Finals?
Yeah only ten games. I get it about a talented team that will figure it out. It's more about Pop. HISTORY dictates he'll fuck things up. He'll overthink it i guess. That or he's too old to notice the details. Would anyone think Duncan would be good at 45? No... so wouldn't someones mind at 70! Not fair to him or us... he's gotta go and the FO has make that call.
Do you all really think they can beat a top team in the WCF or Finals?
What about replacing the coach gets us to next level¿ what coach could make derozan a good player or lma an aggressive one in November games? Unless you believe in miracles then just let the team ply it out.
Big P
11-10-2019, 01:06 AM
Shoulda handed the team over to Udoka...pops system is PLAYED out.
paperboy77
11-10-2019, 01:35 AM
No one in mind. But they need a change. There talent on the team. We do need a few pieces which I think we can get via trade. It’s time to pull the trigger. Make Pop like president of Spurs entertainment or whatever... just make a move.
Gotta love how cliche all these old school posters are. Y’all belong on Reddit.
Hot take, tbh.
Some of y’all need to stop being so fragile about the political stuff. Same folks deriding DDR and LMA for mental weakness, lol
james evans
11-10-2019, 04:22 PM
There are certain guys that can’t play together for us to be successful. Mills/bellineli and Murray/Defrozen/Aldridge. That trio just isn’t working for some reason.
Chomag
11-10-2019, 04:43 PM
Don Nelson, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan , it happens to even the best for of them once they hit that age. They get stuck in their ways and hard headed and to big for even their own head. Problem is everyone is to chicken shit to tell Pop that.
ducks
11-10-2019, 05:48 PM
Some of y’all need to stop being so fragile about the political stuff. Same folks deriding DDR and LMA for mental weakness, lol
We want titles focus on basketball
No president is perfect why no bashing 44 just 45
Why no bashing China ?
TimDunkem
11-10-2019, 07:40 PM
Don Nelson, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan , it happens to even the best for of them once they hit that age. They get stuck in their ways and hard headed and to big for even their own head. Problem is everyone is to chicken shit to tell Pop that.
Bingo. He started to believe his own legend. In the end, Pop was the one who couldn't get over himself.
The irony...
Dverde
11-10-2019, 09:11 PM
Don Nelson, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan , it happens to even the best for of them once they hit that age. They get stuck in their ways and hard headed and to big for even their own head. Problem is everyone is to chicken shit to tell Pop that.
:bobo
LeAnthonyDavis
11-10-2019, 10:29 PM
Pop needs to come and coach America’s team (Los Angeles lakers). He can taste all the wine he wants. He has yet to prove himself without an all star and without d Rob and Duncan, he can again prove himself with Anthony Davis
Even the refs laugh at Pop now. :lol
Have any sniffers ITT changed their mind?
Dverde
11-15-2019, 09:36 PM
Shoulda handed the team over to Udoka...pops system is PLAYED out.
Yup.
With all the mess this franchise is currently in, the question still stands: Why is this man still coaching? Why is this man still in control of every inch in the organization? When will the owners say enough is enough?
He is doing nothing but setting the franchise back at this point. He obviously doesn’t give a damn about putting the best lineup on the floor. Everyone with half a basketball brain can see it.
It’s 2019, Pop is 70 years old. Why are we even having conversations still including the word Pop in them?
Dennis the Menace
11-26-2019, 04:04 PM
The house is on fire. It’s almost as if he’s purposely trying to damage the organization at this point with Vets > Youth Core
gospursgojas
12-21-2019, 10:16 PM
First time I ever turned off a spurs game. Can’t keep watching Marco and Forbes get killed on d out there while Lonnie wastes away on bench.
Spurs Homer
12-21-2019, 11:01 PM
Getting really hard to watch...
Prime BEEF
12-21-2019, 11:28 PM
The dude needs to just go away. He’s tarnishing his legacy this year
RC_Drunkford
12-21-2019, 11:30 PM
Arsene Wenger
timtonymanu
12-21-2019, 11:32 PM
Kobe Popovich, tbh.
Hall of Fame players left him behind, blames his teammates (players) for failure when he hogs the ball all game (Pop’s rotations), can use the 5 rings argument for his sniffers (much like Pop’s sniffers) and escape criticism from them.
Wave to the crowd every game, Pop. You’re living up this retirement tour.
RC_Drunkford
12-21-2019, 11:34 PM
https://twitter.com/jovanbuha/status/1208536184567291907
the real hoax is his reputation as the GOAT coach
https://twitter.com/jovanbuha/status/1208536184567291907
the real hoax is his reputation as the GOAT coach
Dude has no business still coaching.
Floyd Pacquiao
12-21-2019, 11:52 PM
Pop deserves these blow out losses if he's gonna keep trotting out Forbes Mills Belinelli and DeRozan. He needs to wallow in it.
sasaint
12-22-2019, 12:04 AM
Kobe Popovich, tbh.
Hall of Fame players left him behind, blames his teammates (players) for failure when he hogs the ball all game (Pop’s rotations), can use the 5 rings argument for his sniffers (much like Pop’s sniffers) and escape criticism from them.
Wave to the crowd every game, Pop. You’re living up this retirement tour.
I am beginning to get this queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach, entertaining the probability that this is NOT Pop's last year. And even if he does retire after this season, it is already too late. He is the Cancer of the Spurs, and his continued presence is having a toxic effect on his players that could last beyond this season - even under a new regime.
NASpurs
12-22-2019, 12:06 AM
https://twitter.com/jovanbuha/status/1208536184567291907
the real hoax is his reputation as the GOAT coach
Gregg Trump is calling these stats fake news. The irony of it all.
slick'81
12-22-2019, 12:30 AM
I dont like seeing pop enduring these blowouts but hes pretty much built this club of veterans and over achievers while the youth and talent has to wait its turn
lefty
12-22-2019, 12:32 AM
Arsene Wenger
Collins21
02-18-2020, 10:49 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Buc494O.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uLTuMIl.jpg
In POOP we TRUST is loosing his Congregation.
Looks Like they want Coach Mah Becky Nest Season.
This is not how it works man. No Alpha male is going to want to or will submit to having a female head coach. You have this weird fetish with hating Pop but sniffing Becky that you fail to grasp real world issues like strong successful men are going to let a female lead the in professional sports.
ElNono
02-18-2020, 11:18 PM
This is not how it works man. No Alpha male is going to want to or will submit to having a female head coach. You have this weird fetish with hating Pop but sniffing Becky that you fail to grasp real world issues like strong successful men are going to let a female lead the in professional sports.
Your wife just called, she said she wants the dishes done within the hour.
Collins21
02-18-2020, 11:33 PM
Your wife just called, she said she wants the dishes done within the hour.
Nice try but I've never washed a dish in my life!!!
ElNono
02-19-2020, 01:45 AM
Nice try but I've never washed a dish in my life!!!
We can now tell you’ve never enlisted and you’re not Mexican either...
ace3g
07-01-2020, 01:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUl4sDwX3sA
dbestpro
07-01-2020, 05:18 PM
If Joe Biden can be president into his 80s then Pop has another 10 years as coach. He wants to hold the all time win record and the all time loss record at the same time.
KobesAchilles
07-01-2020, 06:01 PM
He’s like 60 wins from the all time record. Might as well let him have it. And also he’s making 11 million a year to start Bryn Forbes and then have people defend him saying “well you think YOU know better than a 5 time championship coach who is about to be #1 in all times wins??”
And the answer is yes. Yes I do
spurs50_
07-01-2020, 07:06 PM
So he can suck the life out of the Spurs...what's left of it
NASpurs
07-01-2020, 07:30 PM
He’s like 60 wins from the all time record. Might as well let him have it. And also he’s making 11 million a year to start Bryn Forbes and then have people defend him saying “well you think YOU know better than a 5 time championship coach who is about to be #1 in all times wins??”
And the answer is yes. Yes I do
60 more wins at this rate is like 2 or 3 years of this shit.
KobesAchilles
07-01-2020, 08:16 PM
60 more wins at this rate is like 2 or 3 years of this shit.
I assume that’s why he got an extension
spurs10
07-01-2020, 10:43 PM
It's what he does and he makes a lot of money doing it. I'm sure it's not all about the money. Paul McCartney would probably still sing if he gave up performing live and making vessels full of money.
ZeusWillJudge
07-02-2020, 08:46 AM
It's what he does and he makes a lot of money doing it. I'm sure it's not all about the money. Paul McCartney would probably still sing if he gave up performing live and making vessels full of money.
Paul McCartney would still be a competent singer.
widowmaker
07-02-2020, 10:14 AM
Simple answer.: He is still the right man for the job, until further notice.
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