Nancy Pelosi Is Worried 2020 Candidates Are on Wrong Track

[ducks]

https://news.yahoo.com/nancy-pelosi-worried-2020-candidates-100000963.html

[hater]

nancy pelosi is in the wrong planet

anything she is against is usually good for the nation

[TheGreatYacht]

https://news.yahoo.com/nancy-pelosi-worried-2020-candidates-100000963.html

Good. She can go fuck herself and go join the Republican party to continue her corporatist and neoliberal Reagan agenda.

[weebo]

Pelosi needs to just go away and take trump with her.

[Blake]

Pelosi opinion good now

[AaronY]

As usual she's right

[DMX7]

Warren is on the way wrong track. She’s scarring off even dems.

[boutons_deux]

nancy pelosi is in the wrong planet

anything she is against is usually good for the nation

Nan took an unforced jab at Medicare for all aka public option which was extremely popular in Obama's 2008 election

iow, Nan is more interested in protecting the profits of BigDonor BigHealthCare than she is in providing universal health care and in reducing health care costs

BigInsurance fleeces the avg family of 4 for $20K year, not for health care, but for health insurance.

[rmt]

BigInsurance and the Democrats who brought us Obamacare (and its 10 "ESSENTIAL" benefits) fleeces the avg family of 4 for $20K year,

Corrected.

[Will Hunting]

As usual she's right
Totally...just look at how a moderate candidate was able to fire up Michigan and Wisconsin in 2016 the way she thinks Biden will in 2020.

[Spurtacular]

Pelosi used to be the far left of the Democrats. Her colleagues are flying over the cliff that she already fell over.

[rmt]

Totally...just look at how a moderate candidate was able to fire up Michigan and Wisconsin in 2016 the way she thinks Biden will in 2020.

And you think Warren and her Medicare for All plan will fire up Michigan and Wisconsin more than Biden. That plan is a pie in the sky joke.

[boutons_deux]

Corrected.

for the 1000th time, BigInsurance/BigPharma blocked ACA from limiting/regulating prices.

your proof that the 10 essential benefits caused BigHealthCare prices to rise, prices that have been rising well above inflation for 30+ years?

[phxspurfan]

Uh yeah, no shit.


Let's make sure we bankrupt the engines of society!

Forgive all student loan debt -- but only for 0.01% of the people who have it currently (and do nothing for those who diligently paid theirs off already!)

Get rid of your decent healthcare if you have a job (while you pay for it with each paycheck) and force you to take welfare healthcare!

[Spurtacular]

BigInsurance fleeces the avg family of 4 for $20K year, not for health care, but for health insurance.

But "everyone" is "covered" this way.

[phxspurfan]

Hate Trump, but rather vote Trump than Warren.

[SnakeBoy]

Pelosi is an idiot. Full socialism is the way to go.

[Edward]

And you think Warren and her Medicare for All plan will fire up Michigan and Wisconsin more than Biden. That plan is a pie in the sky joke.
Oh yeah, the same healthcare plan that the rest of the modern world uses is definitely pie in the sky.

[TheGreatYacht]

And you think Warren and her Medicare for All plan will fire up Michigan and Wisconsin more than Biden. That plan is a pie in the sky joke.

Ben Shapiro: Healthcare For All Is 'Bernie Sanders Pie In The Sky'

https://youtu.be/K6vTCe9iQEE




Nice Ben Shapiro regurgitating there btw tbh..

[AaronY]

Pelosi is an idiot. Full socialism is the way to go.
Hey mayne dem progressive "Justice Democrats" flipped a grand total of zero house seats in the 2018 midterms don't scare em into flipping zero more

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh yeah, the same healthcare plan that the rest of the modern world uses is definitely pie in the sky.

And as the older generation dies off and the younger gains their majority the electorate continues to change. Medicare for all enjoys a majority now as opposed to the plurality 3 years ago, add in the public option and you get an overwhelming majority.

When it comes to health care it is the status quo that is doing poorly.

[SnakeBoy]

Hey mayne dem progressive "Justice Democrats" flipped a grand total of zero house seats in the 2018 midterms don't scare em into flipping zero more

Yeah but they got the the energy on twitter. Dems need to go with pro-socialist anti-capitalism message to avoid angry Justice Democrat tweets & memes.

[Will Hunting]

Hey mayne dem progressive "Justice Democrats" flipped a grand total of zero house seats in the 2018 midterms don't scare em into flipping zero more
Not sure what this means. Just in the district I lived in, least, it was a pro Medicare for all Dem running against an incumbent Republican who trotted out the usual shit about “socialism!” and “death panels!” that fell completely on deaf ears and lost because of it.

The free college/universal basic income shit is definitely out there but the idea that universal healthcare is some radical view makes no sense.

[AaronY]

Not sure what this means.
It means moderates flipped every single seat that the democrats picked up in 2018: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/progressives-plan-victory-just-took-gut-punch-now-what-do-n933771

[Will Hunting]

It means moderates flipped every single seat that the democrats picked up in 2018: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/progressives-plan-victory-just-took-gut-punch-now-what-do-n933771
If you want to call the multiple candidates who flipped a seat while being in favor of Medicare for all “moderates” fine with me.

[AaronY]

Yeah but they got the the energy on twitter. Dems need to go with pro-socialist anti-capitalism message to avoid angry Justice Democrat tweets & memes.
Some of those rose Twitter people are against people eating hamburgers now lmao.

[AaronY]

If you want to call the multiple candidates who flipped a seat while being in favor of Medicare for all “moderates” fine with me.

So you didn't read the article. Good talk man. About as good as last year when you tried to tell me Gillum got less votes than Bill Nelson because he was a better candidate

[Will Hunting]

So you didn't read the article. Good talk man. About as good as last year when you tried to tell me Gillum got less votes than Bill Nelson because he was a better candidate
:lmao I don’t give a shit about your article.

Nice topic change though, Claire. Feel free to point out where I actually said that.

[AaronY]

:lmao I don’t give a shit about your article.

Nice topic change though, Claire. Feel free to point out where I actually said that.
First off who's Claire? Second off its my topic. And the topic is progressives flipped zero seats in 2018. Zero. Candidates supported by one specific moderate group flipped 23 of the 29 seats flipped. Then you said that this is somehow yet another victory for progressives and I was accused of changing the topic.

[boutons_deux]

Nancey and the Dem establishment would rather lose to trump again rather than win with the progressive candidate

[ElNono]

Nancy thought the electorate wanted Shillary too... These old dinosaurs need to make way for the younger generation of great political attention whoring, like AOC, etc

[SnakeBoy]

Candidates supported by one specific moderate group flipped 23 of the 29 seats flipped.

What was the name of the group?

[AaronY]

What was the name of the group?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrat_Coalition

[AaronY]

The 23 of 29 is mentioned in that earlier article Will won't read

[ElNono]

It means moderates flipped every single seat that the democrats picked up in 2018: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/progressives-plan-victory-just-took-gut-punch-now-what-do-n933771

That’s not what the article says though. It says the group endorsed 23 candidates of the 29 seats the Dems won at that point (not all of them flips either).

It doesn’t make your point moot though, but this house caucus is clearly the most liberal in a while.

[ElNono]

If anything, the more left leaning members have been replacing Dem incumbents

[Reck]

If anything, the more left leaning members have been replacing Dem incumbents

Sure, in places like here and California. Some in your state too.

Pelosi is not wrong here. More so when speaking about Bernie I feel though. Warren has slightly moved away from what one would consider far left.

Dems will always lose with some no matter what though. Buttiegieg is surging for instance but in a head to head with Trump he would get beat in my opinion just based on the fact he's gay.

Half the country wouldn't vote for him if he was on fire cuz of muh religion!!!

IMO, whoever the nominee is they'll have to compromise with a moderate/progressive on the ticket. If you go proggresive/progressive, you ain't winning.

[ElNono]

Sure, in places like here and California. Some in your state too.

Pelosi is not wrong here. More so when speaking about Bernie I feel though. Warren has slightly moved away from what one would consider far left.

Dems will always lose with some no matter what though. Buttiegieg is surging for instance but in a head to head with Trump he would get beat in my opinion just based on the fact he's gay.

Half the country wouldn't vote for him if he was on fire cuz of muh religion!!!

IMO, whoever the nominee is they'll have to compromise with a moderate/progressive on the ticket. If you go proggresive/progressive, you ain't winning.

I already pointed out that Bernie, IMO, is the only guy that couldn’t/wouldn’t veer to the center. Warren can, I think, but maybe not to the extent some people like/would accept.

Conversely, guys like Biden talking about liberal policies come across as complete phonies, and Dems need to drive the vote on their base if they want to win. As seen with Shillary, that’s not automatic.

[rmt]

So you didn't read the article. Good talk man. About as good as last year when you tried to tell me Gillum got less votes than Bill Nelson because he was a better candidate

I never did understand why (was it) WH who thought that the bigger difference between DeSantis (an unabashed Trump supporter) and Gillum (a progressive) vs the smaller difference between Rick Scott (a sitting governor) and Bill Nelson (a moderate senator) was an indication that people were heading leftward (or something to that effect).

BTW, DeSantis enjoying a 72% approval rating.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/309426-ron-desantis-approval-ratings-riding-high-in-new-poll

[AaronY]

I never did understand why (was it) WH who thought that the bigger difference between DeSantis (an unabashed Trump supporter) and Gillum (a progressive) vs the smaller difference between Rick Scott (a sitting governor) and Bill Nelson (a moderate senator) was an indication that people were heading leftward (or something to that effect).

BTW, DeSantis enjoying a 72% approval rating.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/309426-ron-desantis-approval-ratings-riding-high-in-new-poll
I live in FL and DeSantis has dropped the Trumpian "trigger the libtards" schtick he used to win the election and governed as more of a classier guy so thats somewhat good. Adding all those fees and obstacles to the bill that passed allowing felons to vote that him and Republicans did to fuck over the voters who passed that bill was a piece of shit move though

[rmt]

Oh yeah, the same healthcare plan that the rest of the modern world uses is definitely pie in the sky.

1. Is the rest of the world as expensive when it comes to education as the US? And do they have they to study so long in order to practice (doctorate for physical therapy, pharmacy, etc)?
2. Is the rest of the world as litigious as the US (raises costs of practicing)?
3. Do the other countries develop as many drugs, medical devices, etc as the US? Or do they just copy ours?

How do you propose to bring down costs (given the above)?
1. Are you going to tell US doctors, therapists, PAs, nurses that they must now accept what a practitioner in the UK is paid (especially in light of $15 minimum wage)? Do you think it is fair for say a pediatric neurosurgeon (like Ben Carson) who has to do 4 years undergrad, 4 years medical school, 3 years each in pediatrics, neurology and surgery to earn an average of $148,763 (UK)? Are you going to forgive the thousands of dollars in college debt too? Are you going to lower the standards (years of education) to help cut costs?
2. Are you going to stop the lawyers from suing doctors, hospitals, etc?
3. How do you encourage research into new drugs and medical supplies if we charge what other countries charge for the same?

Good luck trying to change all that - you would have to re-structure/adjust the pay of every other profession to satisfy all the health and its supporting industries (in relationship to each other) - they are not going to accept the peanuts in pay and debt that goes along with so much study in relation to other professions and $15 minimum wage for unskilled labor.

[rmt]

I live in FL and DeSantis has dropped the Trumpian "trigger the libtards" schtick he used to win the election and governed as more of a classier guy so thats somewhat good. Adding all those fees and obstacles to the bill that passed allowing felons to vote that him and Republicans did to fuck over the voters who passed that bill was a piece of shit move though

I, too, live in Florida and the people who write these ballot propositions ought to be more careful in the wording:

No. 4 Constitutional Amendment Article VI, Section 4. Voting Restoration Amendment This amendment restores the voting rights of Floridians with felony convictions after they complete all terms of their sentence including parole or probation. The amendment would not apply to those convicted of murder or sexual offenses, who would continue to be permanently barred from voting unless the Governor and Cabinet vote to restore their voting rights on a case by case basis.

So the question really is: Is the fee part of their sentence?


Similarly, here in Miami-Dade County, there was the question:

Shall the School Board of Miami-Dade County, Florida, levy 0.75 mills of ad valorem taxes for operational funds (1) to improve compensation for high quality teachers and instructional personnel, and (2) to increase school safety and security personnel, with oversight by a Citizen Advisory Committee, beginning July 1, 2019, and ending June 30, 2023?[2]

In the 2018 midterm elections, Miami-Dade voters approved a raise in their property taxes for teacher salary raises and school safety measures required in the law passed after the Parkland shooting last year. However, district officials have said they would not be sharing the salary portion — the majority of the funds — with charter schools.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article229719999.html

About 20%? of students in Miami-Dade go to charter school and I suspect the parents of those charter schools students voted for this thinking it would benefit their children - most parents see charter schools as part of the Miami Dade public school in the sense that they don't pay for tuition (as opposed to private schools).

[rmt]

I live in FL and DeSantis has dropped the Trumpian "trigger the libtards" schtick he used to win the election and governed as more of a classier guy so thats somewhat good. Adding all those fees and obstacles to the bill that passed allowing felons to vote that him and Republicans did to fuck over the voters who passed that bill was a piece of shit move though

I agree that DeSantis has since dropped the closeness to Trump and is talking the climate change stuff for the state - partly responsible for the high approval rating (some Dems) but before and at the time of the election, he was heavily into Trump (Trump bedtime stories to his kids/building the Wall/MAGA) and imo, it's Trump that won him that election.

[TheGreatYacht]

Ron DeSantis is another Zionist shill who is an Israel First, America Last traitor, that is why Trump was campaigning hard for him.

Ron DeSantis BARELY defeated a fake progressive in Andrew Gillum (Beto 2.0) yet we have idiots on this thread who think that going more left and progressive is not a formula for winning :lmao

You guys can jerk each other off but truth is that centrist neoliberals like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are a cancer to the Democrats. All them old fucks should move to the Republican party and join the neocons in their corporatist agenda of destroying America and putting Israel first.


https://youtu.be/Tb9qc9K1kYA

[rmt]

Ron DeSantis is another Zionist shill who is an Israel First, America Last traitor, that is why Trump was campaigning hard for him.

Ron DeSantis BARELY defeated a fake progressive in Andrew Gillum (Beto 2.0) yet we have idiots on this thread who think that going more left and progressive is not a formula for winning :lmao

You guys can jerk each other off but truth is that centrist neoliberals like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are a cancer to the Democrats. All them old fucks should move to the Republican party and join the neocons in their corporatist agenda of destroying America and putting Israel first.


https://youtu.be/Tb9qc9K1kYA

So why was the vote difference between Trumpster DeSantis and Progressive Gillum LARGER than between Scott and moderate Dem Nelson if you think that going more left and progressive is the formula for winning?

[TheGreatYacht]

Nancy Pelosi Shows The Left Her Middle Finger For 2020

https://youtu.be/BoqUGBpXprI

[LkrFan]

Pelosi put the call in. Now several agencies are unified against Pootin and David Dennison's dirty tricks. A thread:
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1191840728093282304?s=19

Trump is right, all these intelligence agencies are wrong. :rolleyes

[Spurminator]

Uh yeah, no shit.


Let's make sure we bankrupt the engines of society!

Forgive all student loan debt -- but only for 0.01% of the people who have it currently (and do nothing for those who diligently paid theirs off already!)

Get rid of your decent healthcare if you have a job (while you pay for it with each paycheck) and force you to take welfare healthcare!

So at the same time as your concern about costs, you think we should give tuition refunds to everyone who ever went to college.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We shouldn't have abolished slavery. What about all those slaves that had already achieved their emancipation?

In the world of getting over yourself and just doing what is in the best interest of society you just do what's right.

[DarrinS]

No, they are on the right track.

Shhhhhh

[FrostKing]

We shouldn't have abolished slavery. What about all those slaves that had already achieved their emancipation?

In the world of getting over yourself and just doing what is in the best interest of society you just do what's right.
Slavery still exists today. Look at professional athletics, College and music industry

[TheGreatYacht]

Pelosi: Midwest Voters Too Dumb To Vote Correctly

https://youtu.be/VGGXjcbY80k