US House overwhelmingly votes to recognize Armenian genocide

[ElNono]

US House overwhelmingly votes to recognize Armenian genocide

The US House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly on Tuesday to recognize the Armenian genocide of a century ago, stepping into a fraught historical debate at a particularly tense moment for the US-Turkey relationship.
The House voted 405-11 in favor of the resolution, which is not legally binding, to formally recognize the systematic killing of an estimated 1.5 million Armenians under the Ottoman Empire in 1915, modern-day Turkey, as a “genocide”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/29/us-house-overwhelmingly-votes-to-recognize-armenian-genocide

[ElNono]

On Wednesday morning, Turkey summoned the US ambassador to the country over the resolution.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/turkey-rejects-resolution-armenian-genocide-191030054815944.html

[TheGreatYacht]

Let's see how Cenk Uygur and "The Young Turks" react

[Chris]

Ilhan voted present.

[vy65]

Undercuts her moral authority, but what about those 12 red teamers that voted nay?

[boutons_deux]

Undercuts her moral authority, but what about those 12 red teamers that voted nay?

not at all, if you know why she voted present.

[ChumpDumper]

Ilhan voted present.Has Trump said anything about it?

[vy65]

Omar’s “present” vote has sparked more coverage in the past 36 hours—of which this column is admittedly part—than the Republicans who voted “nay,” the GOP senators who aren’t even voting, or Trump’s complicity in Turkey’s ongoing massacre of Kurds. Good-faith critics on the left are concerned about “academic consensus” and “whataboutism,” but of course bad-faith critics on the American right are having a field day. As has been true since she took office, national right-wing media is eager to portray Omar as non-American, and now have fixated on a meeting Omar held with the Turkish president in 2017, alleging that she’s a foreign agent.

That’s not what’s going on. Omar does not operate like other politicians. Her commitment to principle is one of her great strengths, but it creates the conditions for what seem like unforced errors. She’s bringing Bernie Sanders to Minnesota this weekend, and I wonder if this vote will overshadow it. More important, Armenians are upset. I spoke over the phone with the Rev. Tadeos Barseghyan, a pastor at St. Sahag Armenian Church in St. Paul. The church is located in the adjacent district to Omar’s, but serves Armenians throughout the region (including neighboring states). Barseghyan told me that the vote was long past due, but that it’s “wonderful to see that the country that we all respect and love officially recognizes and hears the voices of our people.”

[vy65]

not at all, if you know why she voted present.

I think it does. Her underlying message, while laudable, was not effectively communicated and fell into a weird, nihisltic relativism that all genocide is somehow the same.

[vy65]

not at all, if you know why she voted present.


Tadeos added, “Denying the Armenian genocide is denying gravity.” And I’m sure Omar agrees. She voted “present” to make a statement against a foreign policy of convenience. I’m sure she didn’t want to derail the conversation around the truth of the Armenian genocide or to cause pain to Armenians still searching for justice and recognition. Yet she did both. She’s seeking to make a better politics, but the jury is still out whether she can succeed without alienating people who would otherwise support her.

[boutons_deux]

“Denying the Armenian genocide"

... is that what AOC did?

[vy65]

Huh? No. The only deniers would be the 12 red teamers who voted nay

[ChumpDumper]

I guess better 100 years late than never, but the politics surrounding this vote are fairly nauseating.

[spurraider21]

I guess better 100 years late than never, but the politics surrounding this vote are fairly nauseating.

[spurraider21]

Omar’s comments on one hand seemed like a principled stance against taking these resolutions as politically convenient statements, but she also refused to acknowledge the genocide in her remarks and made cenk like comments about needing an academic consensus...

[ChumpDumper]

It's astounding how countries like Turkey and Japan are so butthurt about their governments' past actions. Just look at Germany. All is largely forgiven now that they owned that shit. It certainly isn't a big sticking point in it's international relations anymore.

[phxspurfan]

who tf cares about random ass Turkey. Care about what's happening in our own damn country ffs

[ChumpDumper]

who tf cares about random ass Turkey. Care about what's happening in our own damn country ffsLike what? This vote took a few minutes.

[vy65]

who tf cares about random ass Turkey. Care about what's happening in our own damn country ffs

Are there no Armenians in our own damn country?

[Spurtacular]

It's astounding how countries like Turkey and Japan are so butthurt about their governments' past actions. Just look at Germany. All is largely forgiven now that they owned that shit. It certainly isn't a big sticking point in it's international relations anymore.

Water off a psycopath's back afterall.

[ElNono]

who tf cares about random ass Turkey. Care about what's happening in our own damn country ffs

You don’t have to care

[Spurtacular]

who tf cares about random ass Turkey. Care about what's happening in our own damn country ffs

It's a huge issue. Turkey denying the genocide speaks to their tyranny.

[DMC]

Tadeos added, “Denying the Armenian genocide is denying gravity.” And I’m sure Omar agrees. She voted “present” to make a statement against a foreign policy of convenience. I’m sure she didn’t want to derail the conversation around the truth of the Armenian genocide or to cause pain to Armenians still searching for justice and recognition. Yet she did both. She’s seeking to make a better politics, but the jury is still out whether she can succeed without alienating people who would otherwise support her.

Gravity is just a theory like evolution.

[DMC]

Are there no Armenians in our own damn country?

If it was the Jews it would be more easily accepted.

[boutons_deux]

It's astounding how countries like Turkey and Japan are so butthurt

USA is extremely butthurt about its centuries of slavery and racism, and of course its genocide and ongoing maltreatment of Native Americans, actually maltreatment of everybody non-white, non-male, non-Christian.

[spurraider21]

Gravity is just a theory like evolution.
ok?

[ElNono]

Gravity is just a theory like evolution.

Actually, Newton's law of universal gravitation is a scientific law.

[phxspurfan]

USA is extremely butthurt about its centuries of slavery and racism, and of course its genocide and ongoing maltreatment of Native Americans, actually maltreatment of everybody non-white, non-male, non-Christian.

Native Americans are mistreated, but that's hardly genocide.

[vy65]

Native Americans are mistreated, but that's hardly genocide.

There was no genocide of native americans?

[koriwhat]

none of this makes sense tbh... sure there was genocide but who cares if we "acknowledge" it a century later. what's it really going to help? this is all political theater imo.

[vy65]

none of this makes sense tbh... sure there was genocide but who cares if we "acknowledge" it a century later. what's it really going to help? this is all political theater imo.

Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier?

[vy65]

least intelligent poster doing least intelligent poster things

[koriwhat]

Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier?

idk german and don't care to. btw fuck off faggot! :tu

[koriwhat]

go figure a lefty would cite some hitler shit...

[koriwhat]

least intelligent poster doing least intelligent poster things

so you and congress want everyone to acknowledge the armenian genocide from a century ago that had nothing to do with us yet the left wants to tear down all statues from our past. how ironic!

[vy65]

least intelligent poster doing least intelligent poster things

[koriwhat]

...

you might be a lawyer but i doubt you could do 1/2 what i can. btw your high horse is waiting on you.

[DMC]

Actually, Newton's law of universal gravitation is a scientific law.

I'd have to verify that. I think it's still just a bill in congress tbh

I was kidding of course but it's funny to see people think theory and law are hierarchies of scientific acceptance.

[vy65]

go figure a lefty would cite some hitler shit...

It's literally about the armenian genocide you stupid fuck :lmao

[spurraider21]

you might be a lawyer but i doubt you could do 1/2 what i can. btw your high horse is waiting on you.
what, record a deposition?

[vy65]

you might be a lawyer but i doubt you could do 1/2 what i can. btw your high horse is waiting on you.


what, record a deposition?

https://i.imgur.com/y9jn7b9.gif

[baseline bum]

https://i.imgur.com/y9jn7b9.gif

:rollin

[Blake]

https://i.imgur.com/y9jn7b9.gif

Lol

[boutons_deux]

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[boutons_deux]

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[ElNono]

I'd have to verify that. I think it's still just a bill in congress tbh

I was kidding of course but it's funny to see people think theory and law are hierarchies of scientific acceptance.

Half the people, especially in Congress, appear to have no idea what the Scientific Method is to begin with...

[spurraider21]

Half the people, especially in Congress, appear to have no idea what the Scientific Method is to begin with...
they also think college professors doing research are getting paid millions by BigSolar and BigTofu

[RandomGuy]

Let's see how Cenk Uygur and "The Young Turks" react

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0sHllmcOWY

His position is that the Armenian genocide happened, and was Turkey's doing.

[RandomGuy]

Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier?

Ich kann, ob du willst.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually, Newton's law of universal gravitation is a scientific law.

Which Einstein disproved. Newton said it was a force. Einstein's theory that it is just the shortest path on curved space time has been proven both mutually exclusive and correct.

[ElNono]

Which Einstein disproved. Newton said it was a force. Einstein's theory that it is just the shortest path on curved space time has been proven both mutually exclusive and correct.

Well, yes, but Newton’s gravitational law is still valid within a domain (ie: still widely applied since it fulfills it’s purpose as long as you know what’s being calculated). As you correctly point out, general relativity explained the divergences in specific cases and works in the general case, as a pseudo-force.

[boutons_deux]

Lindsey Graham Says White House Told Him To ‘Please’ Block Armenian Genocide Resolution

Graham blocked the measure

shortly after meeting with President Trump and Turkish leader Erdoğan,

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lindsey-graham-armenian-genocide-resolution-white-house_n_5ddb4bc0e4b00149f71ef8b5?ri18n=true&ncid=newsltushpmgnews (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lindsey-graham-armenian-genocide-resolution-white-house_n_5ddb4bc0e4b00149f71ef8b5?ri18n=true&ncid=newsltushpmgnews)

Trash pandering to Erdogan to protect his Turkish businesses.

Dead Kurds less important than Trash's businesses.

[diego]

It's astounding how countries like Turkey and Japan are so butthurt about their governments' past actions. Just look at Germany. All is largely forgiven now that they owned that shit. It certainly isn't a big sticking point in it's international relations anymore.

Without being that familiar with turkey and Armenia, I'd wager it's not all Turks that are in denial or butthurt as you put it, but mostly the elites that made those decisions at the time. And the reason they defend those indefensible positions so fervently is because recognizing the consensus view would mean they fucked up bad, got away with it, and shouldn't be making those decisions anymore- the us (elite) is notable in size and not immune to this behavior. Here with Pinochet we've been trapped in this discussion for nearly 50 years (and with the mapuche for hundreds), and even with the current crisis denial is still strong on both fronts. Much like environmental costs of business projects, the social, civic cost of coups is never properly calculated by the perpetrators.

[Winehole23]

But now basically if Donald Trump says ‘hey come over and shave my back,’ Lindsey’s going to be there.https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/11/25/rick-wilson-if-trump-said-shave-my-back-lindsey-graham-is-going-to-be-there/

[Winehole23]

Without being that familiar with turkey and Armenia, I'd wager it's not all Turks that are in denial or butthurt as you put it, but mostly the elites that made those decisions at the time. And the reason they defend those indefensible positions so fervently is because recognizing the consensus view would mean they fucked up bad, got away with it, and shouldn't be making those decisions anymore- the us (elite) is notable in size and not immune to this behavior. Here with Pinochet we've been trapped in this discussion for nearly 50 years (and with the mapuche for hundreds), and even with the current crisis denial is still strong on both fronts. Much like environmental costs of business projects, the social, civic cost of coups is never properly calculated by the perpetrators.Never admit.

Never, never admit it.

[spurraider21]

Senate followed suit after multiple attempts to bring it to a vote had previously been thwarted by republican senators at the bequest of the white house... but this time passed unanimously. nice to see them act on their accord and not simply be vessels for potus

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/12/12/senate-senate-recognizes-arrecognizes-armenian-genocide-over-objections-trump-and-turkish-government/4410046002/

[vy65]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-armenian-genocide-erdogan-turkey-native-americans-a9250281.html

[boutons_deux]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-armenian-genocide-erdogan-turkey-native-americans-a9250281.html

Trash is a spineless, gutless, brainless chickenshit

[Winehole23]

Supine to Turkey. Again.

[TheGreatYacht]

One can deny or question the Armenian genocide, the native American genocide, the communist regime genocides, etc... but the moment someone questions or denies the holocaust "oh you're a racist antisemite white supremacist holocaust denier! Shut him down!!!"


https://youtu.be/mrH5Prw1lIE

[ChumpDumper]

One can deny or question the Armenian genocide, the native American genocide, the communist regime genocides, etc... but the moment someone questions or denies the holocaust "oh you're a racist antisemite white supremacist holocaust denier! Shut him down!!!"


https://youtu.be/mrH5Prw1lIE

Do you deny the Holocaust?

[RandomGuy]

Supine to Turkey. Again.

Did anybody mention yet that Trump has a development project in Turkey?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Towers_Istanbul

That seems important.

Right CosmicCowboy?

[Winehole23]

Screening anti-Kurd State agitprop at the White House was another appalling moment.

[spurraider21]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/24/statement-by-president-joe-biden-on-armenian-remembrance-day/?fbclid=IwAR0GDlEimN1prZrGEjtt0NDTRG2NJNLVJS2pioxj I1DjOzDLukLQYgLLoME

[vy65]

We did it boys

[boutons_deux]

"NATO" fascist Turkey is friendlier to Pootin than to the rest of NATO

[Winehole23]

Turkey summons US ambassador over Biden's genocide recognition (https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210425-turkey-summons-us-ambassador-over-biden-s-genocide-recognition)

[ChumpDumper]

So strange that relatively ancient genocide denial exists with the clear contrasting examples of Germany and Japan to guide such decisions.

[RandomGuy]

US House overwhelmingly votes to recognize Armenian genocide

The US House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly on Tuesday to recognize the Armenian genocide of a century ago, stepping into a fraught historical debate at a particularly tense moment for the US-Turkey relationship.
The House voted 405-11 in favor of the resolution, which is not legally binding, to formally recognize the systematic killing of an estimated 1.5 million Armenians under the Ottoman Empire in 1915, modern-day Turkey, as a “genocide”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/29/us-house-overwhelmingly-votes-to-recognize-armenian-genocide

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