Millionaire politician that donates 1% to charity wants the money of a billionaire giving all of his money to charity

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1192478435693780992?s=20

Imagine only wanting to spend the money of others to help people.

Imagine pondering how effectively the US government can spend bill gates fortune compared to bill gates own charity.

Bill Gates has already donated 36 billion and plans on donating effectively all of his money to charity. His charity has already saved millions of lives. Big brain Bernie thinks he can do better.

[spurraider21]

1) bernie did not advocate for actually taxing bill gates 100 billion, so strawman in your thread title

2) it's not "all of his money" because even in this scenario, it is outright stated that he would STILL be a multi-billionaire, so another strawman in your thread title

you are the enemy of the people

[koriwhat]

you just gotta love the logic from millionaire socialist scumbags like 2faceBernout. :tu

[Nathan89]

1) bernie did not advocate for actually taxing bill gates 100 billion, so strawman in your thread title

2) it's not "all of his money" because even in this scenario, it is outright stated that he would STILL be a multi-billionaire, so another strawman in your thread title

you are the enemy of the people

"Millionaire that donates 1% to charity ponders how effectively he can spend the money of a billionaire that is giving all of his money to charity" was going to be my title but it was getting too long or that was my perception of it most of the way through it.

I did not say "all of his money" in that respect. I was saying Gates is donating all of his money.

The whole scenario is trash because Bill Gates doesn't have $100 billion to tax away. He has ownership in companies with high value. Bernie is just pandering to his base about the evil billionaire that has saved millions of lives and drastically improved the quality of living in our modern world.

[Nathan89]

Bernie: ponders how effectively the government can spend $100 billion dollars of Bill Gates money.

Bernie: Our message: the billionaire class cannot have it all when so many have so little

Nathan89 : Bernie wants the money of a billionaire

Person who carries water: That's a strawman:madrun

[TheGreatYacht]

Bill Gates Would Support Trump Over Warren/Bernie

https://youtu.be/IOtFsulKehY




This explains why OP decided to make a thread swallowing some Bill Gates semen today :lmao

[spurraider21]

Bernie: ponders how effectively the government can spend $100 billion dollars of Bill Gates money.

Bernie: Our message: the billionaire class cannot have it all when so many have so little

Nathan89 : Bernie wants the money of a billionaire

Person who carries water: That's a strawman:madrun
yup, nathan with a strawman. bernie did not advocate taking 100 billion of gates' money

[boutons_deux]

Repugs bought the votes of assholes like Gates with the Repug tax cut scam, quid pro quo, also true for BigCorp, esp BigOil being allowed by Repugs to fuck up Alaska, coastal waters, national parks, etc, etc.

[Nathan89]

yup, nathan with a strawman. bernie did not advocate taking 100 billion of gates' money

You said my strawman was in the title. Now my strawman is something not in my title or my post.

[Nathan89]

“I’m all for super-progressive tax systems,” Gates told the audience. “I’ve paid over $10 billion in taxes. I’ve paid more than anyone in taxes. If I had to pay $20 billion, it’s fine.”
“But when you say I should pay $100 billion, then I’m starting to do a little math about what I have left over,” he continued. “You really want the incentive system to be there without threatening that.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bill-gates-blasts-elizabeth-warren-over-her-wealth-tax

People are shocked Bill Gates doesn't want to vote for someone that ruins incentive structures that innovation is based on. Because that's not important.

https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1192218814643089408

Check out this big brain editor of Time.

"the great philanthropist of our age, is so attached to his own wealth"

The "philanthropist of our age" who has donating $36 billion and has plans to donate effectively all of his wealth is apparently "so attached to his own wealth".

Further perhaps Bill doesn't digest the "white nationalist" propaganda that you've seeming digested. Perhaps question if that is correct or not. If you still think it's correct then perhaps you should weigh that against the problems that Bill highlighted like ruining the "incentive system" and question just how damaging that is.

Or you can forget about all that and paint the narrative of the rich man that's donating all of his money to charity is "so attached to his own wealth". I see people in this thread already running that moronic logic.

[spurraider21]

You said my strawman was in the title. Now my strawman is something not in my title or my post.
it's in both. your title says bernie wants bill gates' money.

[Nathan89]

Or you can forget about all that and paint the narrative of the rich man that's donating all of his money to charity is "so attached to his own wealth". I see people in this thread already running that moronic logic.

Just realized there multiple posts in this thread running with this logic. :lmao

[spurraider21]

Bill Gates Would Support Trump Over Warren/Bernie

https://youtu.be/IOtFsulKehY




This explains why OP decided to make a thread swallowing some Bill Gates semen today :lmao
i know chris has all sorts of conspiracy theories about bill gates being completely evil, i wonder how he squares that with his also being in trump's corner :lol

[ElNono]

1) bernie did not advocate for actually taxing bill gates 100 billion, so strawman in your thread title

2) it's not "all of his money" because even in this scenario, it is outright stated that he would STILL be a multi-billionaire, so another strawman in your thread title

you are the enemy of the people

Math is hard, 14%, etc

[boutons_deux]

Gates whine he's paid $10B in taxes, but I'm sure he's avoided $10Bs in taxes.

[spurraider21]

Math is hard, 14%, etc
can also be expressed as 2/90 fyi tbh

[dabom6]

Math is hard, 14%, etc

:lol :lol

[spurraider21]

somebody complaining that "if i paid all that money i'd only have A FEW BILLION DOLLARS left" is completely out of touch tbh :lol

[Spurminator]

Man, Nathan sure turned on Bernie didn't he?

TDS is a helluva drug.

[Winehole23]

Epstein cronies good now

[TheGreatYacht]

What Bill Gates Isn’t Saying About GMOs
https://usrtk.org/gmo/what-bill-gates-isnt-saying-about-gmos/
Why is the Gates foundation investing in GM giant Monsanto?
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2010/sep/29/gates-foundation-gm-monsanto
The Gates Foundation connection to the Glaxo drug fraud scandal
http://www.humanosphere.org/science/2012/07/the-gates-foundation-connection-to-the-glaxo-drug-fraud-scandal/

[Nathan89]

somebody complaining that "if i paid all that money i'd only have A FEW BILLION DOLLARS left" is completely out of touch tbh :lol

That's not his argument on the matter.

[Nathan89]

What Bill Gates Isn’t Saying About GMOs
https://usrtk.org/gmo/what-bill-gates-isnt-saying-about-gmos/
Why is the Gates foundation investing in GM giant Monsanto?
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2010/sep/29/gates-foundation-gm-monsanto
The Gates Foundation connection to the Glaxo drug fraud scandal
http://www.humanosphere.org/science/2012/07/the-gates-foundation-connection-to-the-glaxo-drug-fraud-scandal/

I'm not looking at any of that. Do you want to sum up the relevance?

[Nathan89]

Gates whine he's paid $10B in taxes, but I'm sure he's avoided $10Bs in taxes.

He has also donated 10s of billions. Of course the government would have spent it more effectively.

[hater]

billionaire fags need to pay up period

[ducks]

Fair share is 5 percent for all people

Even the dirt
Poor

[DMX7]

I actually trust Bill to do more good with his money than Bernie but Bill is pretty extraordinary. Also, you're totally right to call out Bernie's hypocrisy.

[DMX7]

Fair share is 5 percent for all people

Even the dirt
Poor

The dirt poor pay plenty of taxes just maybe not income taxes... there's sales taxes, social security and medicare taxes, gas taxes, property taxes, etc. etc.

[AaronY]

Man, Nathan sure turned on Bernie didn't he?

TDS is a helluva drug.
Sometimes I forget Nathan went Bernie to Trump but it always delights me when I remember :lmao

[Winehole23]

billionaire fags need to pay up periodSaying you earned a billion dollars is like saying you jumped thousands of feet into the air, when in fact you boarded an airplane.

[spurraider21]

Fair share is 5 percent for all people

Even the dirt
Poor
wow ducks wants to raise taxes on the poor and middle class

and for what? :lol... the average net worth is something like 70k, so even if you applied a 2% wealth tax on every single dollar, thats like 1400 per person :lol... negligible

[Xevious]

I'm not sure this is the best example. There are plenty of people that you could go after for not paying their fair share, but Gates has been unbelievably generous with his money. And you could do almost anything with a dollar and it would be more efficiently spent that whatever the federal government would do with it.

[DMC]

it's in both. your title says bernie wants bill gates' money.

He could be correct. He didn't say Bernie publicly called for it.

[MultiTroll]

I'm not sure this is the best example. There are plenty of people that you could go after for not paying their fair share, but Gates has been unbelievably generous with his money. And you could do almost anything with a dollar and it would be more efficiently spent that whatever the federal government would do with it.
Ya since Gates got married and I'm assuming she played a huge role in softening his heart, he's gone from Monty Burns to much more likeable.

Campaign blunder by Bernie.

[spurraider21]

He could be correct. He didn't say Bernie publicly called for it.
Lol

[baseline bum]

Sometimes I forget Nathan went Bernie to Trump but it always delights me when I remember :lmao

Yeah, the same way Rush Limbaugh listeners voted for Obama in 2008 (in the primaries to deny Clinton the nomination).

[DMC]

Lol

Yeah that's funny

[ducks]

Over 50 percent do not pay take
Do a flat tax 2 percent the gov would make more money
Yep raise it on the dirt poor why should the smart ones who make more pay a higher percent then then the lazy s.o.b!
More and more will just be lazy s.o.b!

[ducks]

Gates is a greedy person he choices who he gives his money away
Lower the cost of office 99 for life for 6 devices not one year

[ducks]

Bernie Sanders Attacks Bill Gates’ Wealth. Gates Employs Over 100,000 People. Sanders Does Other Things.

[AaronY]

Gates is a greedy person he choices who he gives his money away
Lower the cost of office 99 for life for 6 devices not one year
How much money do you make in a year ducks? I'm not trolling just curious

[ducks]

70-80k

[AaronY]

70-80k
Dang ducks makes more than me lol

[AaronY]

Viability of suicide time

[Will Hunting]

Dang ducks makes more than me lol
Plus he lives in Yuma, AZ...for 75k a year you can live like a fucking king in that shithole town.

This is all assuming he’s telling the truth though.

[ducks]

House is worth 250k lots of equality
Has a pool and solar panels !
GMC Arcadia paid for !
Lots of trump hats in Yuma az and flag poles

[ducks]

Trump!

[Will Hunting]

House is worth 250k lots of equality
Has a pool and solar panels !
GMC Arcadia paid for !
Lots of trump hats in Yuma az and flag poles
Yeah highest unemployment rate in the country and they can’t get enough Trump.

VotingRepublican.jpeg

[DMC]

Viability of suicide time

:lol

[DMC]

House is worth 250k lots of equality
Has a pool and solar panels !
GMC Arcadia paid for !
Lots of trump hats in Yuma az and flag poles

Did you mean "equity"?

[AaronY]

Yeah highest unemployment rate in the country and they can’t get enough Trump.

VotingRepublican.jpeg
Honestly, I hate to admit it but I can kind of see why ducks is a Republican, he's like "I got four firing brain cells and Im making 80k a year wtf are you guys complaining about??"

Also, not to crowbar my own politics into this but this is a good ad for Biden..any time sometime says the system is so broken it's impossible for the little man to get ahead and it needs to be completely torn asunder I have to point out that ducks is making $80k a year so how bad could it possibly be?

[AaronY]

Kidding aside would be kind of happy for ducks if his politics wasn't so annoying

[Xevious]

Didn't know Best Buy paid that much tbh.

[ElNono]

Didn't know Best Buy paid that much tbh.

They don't, especially in Arizona...
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/phoenix-geek-squad-salary-SRCH_IL.0,7_IM678_KO8,18.htm

[Xevious]

Well then, maybe ducks meant household income. Is he married? Either that or he works a shit load of OT... or he's just full of shit.

AaronY can back off the ledge.

[ElNono]

Prolly has a side business selling MAGA gear to rednecks, tbh

[Will Hunting]

Honestly, I hate to admit it but I can kind of see why ducks is a Republican, he's like "I got four firing brain cells and Im making 80k a year wtf are you guys complaining about??"

Also, not to crowbar my own politics into this but this is a good ad for Biden..any time sometime says the system is so broken it's impossible for the little man to get ahead and it needs to be completely torn asunder I have to point out that ducks is making $80k a year so how bad could it possibly be?
You keep assuming ducks is telling the truth :lol

[ducks]

Ducks does not lie

I can not stand the geek
Squad. I know tons more then those fools.

[Spurtacular]

1) bernie did not advocate for actually taxing bill gates 100 billion, so strawman in your thread title


"But when you say I should pay $100 billion..."

- Bill Gates

What hair you trying to split, Lite? (And that's giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're even doing that).

[AaronY]

Well then, maybe ducks meant household income. Is he married? Either that or he works a shit load of OT... or he's just full of shit.

I believe ducks. He's a weird little dude but for whatever reason I don't think he would lie about something like this. I made $51k last year and this year if all breaks well I could end up with over $60k maybe even $65k which I'm very happy with honestly. I also live in a relatively low cost of living area (im in central Florida) so the money goes far

[Isitjustme?]

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1192478435693780992?s=20

Imagine only wanting to spend the money of others to help people.

Imagine pondering how effectively the US government can spend bill gates fortune compared to bill gates own charity.

Bill Gates has already donated 36 billion and plans on donating effectively all of his money to charity. His charity has already saved millions of lives. Big brain Bernie thinks he can do better.
Remember when you supported Bernie.....then went directly to Trump :lmao

[Phenomanul]

Another misstep for Bernie Sanders. Here he indirectly makes a false equivalence between the support for social assistance programs and the support for our current taxation brackets. His sole purpose is to elicit envy; or why else use Bill Gates as the contrast to homelessness? The wealthy are already being taxed at a much higher percentage relative to everyone else (which is why comments in this thread suggesting that their share is “disproportionately lower” is puzzling to me). And so long as their wealth comes from legitimate sources who are we to say what they should do with it? The real immorality here is suggesting that those that produce more need to be forced by the State or anyone else to give up more. In my mind a flat tax would technically provide the most equanimity given that it is by definition the “fairest” concept treating everyone equally. As a society, why do we insist on equality when it comes to everything under the sun (equal treatment under the law, equal protections under the law, equal opportunity, justice for all...) for everything except taxation rate?

Personally, do I believe that any one person “needs” a billion dollars? Or even hundreds of millions of dollars? No, but again if someone has legally/legitimately earned or even inherited that amount of wealth then to me it’s absurd to believe that their wealth shouldn’t be theirs to manage or that it should be the government that should decide how best to spend it. Especially when we know that the Federal Government grossly mismanages the vast sums of money that are appropriated to them already - as indicated by trillion dollar deficits, and debt. That's the side of the argument every socialist proponent avoids like the plague because they know and cannot deny the fact that the government mismanages public funds.

I would point out that the numbers suggest that billionaires and millionaires give or donate more of their wealth by percentage than us regular folk, but “wealth” in general must demonized by socialist systems for their proponents to step in and usurp control. Ironically, socialist leaders will demonize other people’s wealth but will invariably amass illegitimate fortunes of their own. Unfortunately, at that point they also manage to amass a considerable amount of power which makes it near impossible to thwart their corruption. This dynamic has unfolded countless of times within the last 100 years because the pattern keeps repeating itself and because people are fooled into believing that a utopic redistribution of wealth is actually attainable. All built on envy and covetousness.

As an aside, the tactic to focus on the wealthy as the “juxtaposed” cause for society’s problems comes straight out of the Marxist playbook. The strategy exists in order to seed discord between the economic classes. And EVERYWHERE socialist policies have been enacted when driven by that particular wedge issue those countries have ended up in economic shambles.

Bernie also makes it sound like taxation of the wealthy is the solution towards the eradication of homelessness (another false equivalence). It simplifies a very complex problem and trivializes the circumstances by which people end up in that unfortunate situation. The root of those particular problems cannot be solved simply by throwing money at them. What we need for that problem are more people willing to help them and guide them into self-sustenance.

[DMX7]

"But when you say I should pay $100 billion..."

- Bill Gates

What hair you trying to split, Lite? (And that's giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're even doing that).

Bill either misspoke or doesn't understand what was being proposed. Of course no one is suggesting he pays $100B in taxes. I don't support Warren's tax either way though.

[Spurtacular]

Bill either misspoke or doesn't understand what was being proposed. Of course no one is suggesting he pays $100B in taxes. I don't support Warren's tax either way though.

I wouldn't say no one. And the second you start asset taxing, it's a slippery slope.

[DMX7]

I wouldn't say no one. And the second you start asset taxing, it's a slippery slope.

Who is suggesting he pay $100B?

And we already tax assets... have you heard of property taxes? I'm sure you don't pay them, so you probably haven't.

[Spurtacular]

Who is suggesting he pay $100B?

And we already tax assets... have you heard of property taxes? I'm sure you don't pay them, so you probably haven't.

You obviously don't understand what Warren is proposing.

[TheGreatYacht]

Dylan Ratigan: ”The Super Wealthy Have No Country”

https://youtu.be/23Dc2ZfpKmo

[Nathan89]

Bill either misspoke or doesn't understand what was being proposed. Of course no one is suggesting he pays $100B in taxes. I don't support Warren's tax either way though.

You don't understand her moronic tax plan. It's a wealth tax. That means everything year bill gates and bezos have to sell their company just to get cash to pay the big brain fake indian.

[ChumpDumper]

You don't understand her moronic tax plan. It's a wealth tax. That means everything year bill gates and bezos have to sell their company just to get cash to pay the big brain fake indian.What made you like Bernie's policies back when you supported him?

[DMX7]

You don't understand her moronic tax plan. It's a wealth tax. That means everything year bill gates and bezos have to sell their company just to get cash to pay the big brain fake indian.

It’s still not a $100B tax.

[Nathan89]

It’s still not a $100B tax.

Not in a single year it's not. Nobody said he was talking about a single year. Elizabeth Warren is proposing brain dead policies tbh.


https://youtu.be/OSbDNyfDM5g

[Will Hunting]

You don't understand her moronic tax plan. It's a wealth tax. That means everything year bill gates and bezos have to sell their company just to get cash to pay the big brain fake indian.
:lmao “sell their company”

They would need to sell some readily marketable securities. Do you not know how publicly traded companies work Nathan?

[Nathan89]

:lmao “sell their company”

They would need to sell some readily marketable securities. Do you not know how publicly traded companies work Nathan?

Selling their shares is selling their company ownership.

[DMX7]

Selling their shares is selling their company ownership.

It’s selling a fraction of their interest in a company... there’s a big difference than selling the whole company.

[Nathan89]

It’s selling a fraction of their interest in a company... there’s a big difference than selling the whole company.

I didn't say they have to sell the whole company. The government would be stealing significant portions of their ownership every year.

[DMX7]

I didn't say they have to sell the whole company. The government would be stealing significant portions of their ownership every year.

You said they would have to "sell their company"... that's either wrong or misleading without specifying that they would be selling only a fraction (non-controlling interest) in their company.

[Nathan89]

You said they would have to "sell their company"... that's either wrong or misleading without specifying that they would be selling only a fraction (non-controlling interest) in their company.

They could literally lose a controlling interest in a company as the result this big brain tax plan.

If I have 1000s of acres that makes my networth in the billions so I am forced to sell just to pay the fake indian then I'd say "I had to sell my land". That doesn't mean all. Similarly these people have to sell their company. And yes that means they could lose a majority position.

[DMX7]

If I have 1000s of acres that makes my networth in the billions so I am forced to sell just to pay the fake indian then I'd say "I had to sell my land". That doesn't mean all.

Without any qualifiers or any other clear context, it would not be clear that you mean only a portion, and not all. I wouldn't say "I sold my house" if I only meant I sold one room of my house.

So again, you should state clearly that they would have to sell a share of their company, not the company itself.

Or if the company does not want to issue equity interests to outsiders, then maybe they would have to sell certain assets belonging to the company to pay taxes but they again would not be selling the company itself.

[Nathan89]

Without any qualifiers or any other clear context, it would not be clear that you mean only a portion, and not all. I wouldn't say "I sold my house" if I only meant I sold one room of my house.

So again, you should state clearly that they would have to sell a share of their company, not the company itself.

Or if the company does not want to issue equity interests to outsiders, then maybe they would have to sell certain assets belonging to the company to pay taxes but they again would not be selling the company itself.

The idea that company needs to sell assets that they likely need to operate the company to pay the fake indian just highlights how moronic this policy is.

[TheGreatYacht]

Billionaire Jamie Dimon Appears To Have No Clue What He's Talking About

https://youtu.be/InWplI8ojWc

[TheGreatYacht]

Bernie Mocks Melodramatic Whiny Billionaires

https://youtu.be/oc7H_Gv5PXM

[TheGreatYacht]

Mark Cuban: Taxing Billionaires Is Like Scapegoating Immigrants

https://youtu.be/VITXxeWBKkM