What the Spurs could get in a DeRozan trade from the Magic...

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/demar-derozan-orlando-magic-trade-san-antonio-spurs/

tl;dr: Trade makes sense for both teams; Gordon and Fournier are intriguing.

[spurspl]

wheres mo bamba?? where are the picks?? i though we need some rebuild not another old dudes...

[sananspursfan21]

Gordon for sure. He’s not a great three point shooter, but at least gives the threat of it. Fournier would exacerbate the defensive issues but man, that three point shot :eyebrows

[timvp]

wheres mo bamba??

RIF.

[FkLA]

Gordon or bust. Fuck spacing and fuck Fournier. The horrid defense makes this team unwatchable. I don't want more small defensive liabilities. Give them Forbes too. Preferably Beli but I dont think they'd want him.

Murray-White-Gordon-Lyles-LMA. None of them are dead eye shooters but all of them except Murray will atleast keep defenses honest. I'd much rather see that than the pathetic crap we have witnessed thus far.

[MoSpur02]

I prefer Gordon and Ross or Aminu because of the defense. Spurs are playing horrible defense. They'd have to wait till December 15th though so not sure if that is likely or if a trade at all is likely.

[Mugen]

It doesn't matter who they get back, if they offload Derozan it's a win.

Gordon is a nice prospect but Pop would find a way to make his great athleticism an afterthought. Pop would probably have him be a slightly better Trey Lyles. Unless you're mentally tough like Manu, Pop and the Spurs are where your athleticism can go and die tbh :lol

[UZER]

It doesn't matter who they get back, if they offload Derozan it's a win.

Gordon is a nice prospect but Pop would find a way to make his great athleticism an afterthought. Pop would probably have him be a slightly better Trey Lyles. Unless you're mentally tough like Manu, Pop and the Spurs are where your athleticism can go and die tbh :lol

He would make him stand in the corner on offense.

[rjv]

but gordon couldn't even beat uncle drew.

[Dennis the Menace]

I prefer Gordon and Ross

[spurraider21]

It doesn't matter who they get back, if they offload Derozan it's a win.

Gordon is a nice prospect but Pop would find a way to make his great athleticism an afterthought. Pop would probably have him be a slightly better Trey Lyles. Unless you're mentally tough like Manu, Pop and the Spurs are where your athleticism can go and die tbh :lol
they did run the RJ alley oop play basically once a game tho

[DPG21920]

I don’t see how Fournier solves any issues. The issue isn’t the offense (even though that could improve with more shooting) as much as defense. He is somehow WORSE than DeRozan on defense and it would basically be like trading DeRozan for another Beli which makes no sense for the defense, for opening up minutes in the G/SF rotation or for the future.

[raybies]

Gordon and Ross for me.

[Ignazzz]

Gordon and Ross? Why Orlando should do this?

[r0drig0lac]

Gordon + Aminu

[DPG21920]

Gordon and Ross? Why Orlando should do this?

There are multiple reasons Orlando might be interested in Gordon for DeRozan type package. First of all, DeRozan is a better player. They are both flawed, especially from the 3PT line, but overall, DeRozan is the superior player at this point.

With that in mind, Orlando is trying to stay a playoff team. They clawed their way there last year, re-signed an expensive Vuc and want to continue taking steps forward, not go back to the lottery.

Their guard play is by far their biggest weakness, in particular anyone that can truly create their own offense (and for others tbh..). DeRozan solves that in a big way.

[spurs1990]

May be better to punt the season altogether and let Derozan walk in July.
You don't have to worry about getting back long term contacts of questionable players and still have a decent shot at making the playoffs.

The concern is Derozan opting in for 2021 but then his expiring contact may be more valuable in a summer 2020 trade package.

[ginobilized]

It sure seems like things are heading south in a hurry for this season's Spurs team. It's not impossible to turn around, but, it feels unlikely somehow.
I'm sure they will make the right call when it comes down to it. Orlando is probably the best fit for a trade in the league at this point.

The lack of defense, pride, identity and talent are not helping this team.

[Ignazzz]

There are multiple reasons Orlando might be interested in Gordon for DeRozan type package. First of all, DeRozan is a better player. They are both flawed, especially from the 3PT line, but overall, DeRozan is the superior player at this point.

With that in mind, Orlando is trying to stay a playoff team. They clawed their way there last year, re-signed an expensive Vuc and want to continue taking steps forward, not go back to the lottery.

Their guard play is by far their biggest weakness, in particular anyone that can truly create their own offense (and for others tbh..). DeRozan solves that in a big way.

I can understand DDR > Gordon
Adding Ross is massive overpaying. ross has high value for Orlando and Please remember he played 8 / 12 pretty very good weeks last season. We should try to find a good Trade from Orlando perspective too.

[DPG21920]

May be better to punt the season altogether and let Derozan walk in July.
You don't have to worry about getting back long term contacts of questionable players and still have a decent shot at making the playoffs.

The concern is Derozan opting in for 2021 but then his expiring contact may be more valuable in a summer 2020 trade package.

Losing someone who plays out their contract isn’t the worst thing, but it’s wildly sub-optimal. Again, not saying to trade him for some awful contract just to get “rid” of him; but he has value in this league (SA traded kawhi for him). It might not be what we would hope, but he has positive value.

Even getting a first, even if it’s late, is better than nothing. But getting a flyer on someone young like Gordon who fits with the young core and is on a VERY reasonable deal allows SA to see how it goes, inject some new life for the team and fans and? He’s still an asset you could move later if you need to get more assets.

[DPG21920]

I can understand DDR > Gordon
Adding Ross is massive overpaying. ross has high value for Orlando and Please remember he played 8 / 12 pretty very good weeks last season. We should try to find a good Trade from Orlando perspective too.


Well, I don’t totally disagree, but if we agree that DeRozan>Gordon that would imply ORL would need to add to the mix (forgetting salaries matching). Maybe Ross is too much, but DeRozan is better than Gordon so I dont think it’s totally unreasonable; even if unlikely.

[ernest787]

I don't love Gordon but I would be OK with it. I was really holding out hope that DeRozan would work in SA, but it seems clear that it's just not meant to be at this point. I know a lot of the posters here hate on the Spurs trading for DeRozan, but based on what has come out since then it doesn't seem the Spurs were going to get better for him at the time.

With the Spurs making the PO w/o nephew it makes sense that they thought someone like DeRozan could give them a punchers chance. I even get the thought that Murray being out last year hampered that and to give it a go this year. Now... well... I think it's time to move on, but I do think if you trade DeRozan that you also need to start looking to ship LMA as well.

[DPG21920]

I don't love Gordon but I would be OK with it. I was really holding out hope that DeRozan would work in SA, but it seems clear that it's just not meant to be at this point. I know a lot of the posters here hate on the Spurs trading for DeRozan, but based on what has come out since then it doesn't seem the Spurs were going to get better for him at the time.

With the Spurs making the PO w/o nephew it makes sense that they thought someone like DeRozan could give them a punchers chance. I even get the thought that Murray being out last year hampered that and to give it a go this year. Now... well... I think it's time to move on, but I do think if you trade DeRozan that you also need to start looking to ship LMA as well.

I was pretty pissed when I heard SA was trading for DeRozan, but I agree. They made the playoffs, and adding DeRozan should have been enough of a talent infusion to keep things going.

My issue was not as much the logic of the trade; SA built a team around Kawhi and DeRozan is a wildly different player. My issue was that after last full season with DeRozan/LMA pairing, that adding Carroll was the only change they thought really necessary. I liked the Morris acquisition but even then, that was a bandaid with bringing back Rudy, Beli, Mills etc...They should have pressed harder to reshape the roster around DeRozan, even if it meant losing some future assets.

But now that they didnt? Ok, it’s not catastrophic, but they need to work towards better and more decisive decision making in either direction. Move DeRozan for either younger assets/picks or a player that has a shot at fitting better right now and raising the ceiling some.

[Beartrucci]

Derozan getting traded a topic on High Noon on espn today...national mainstream media talking about it now

[gambit1990]

OT but siakam has been balling. i wonder what else the spurs would’ve needed to give up to get him...

[Beartrucci]

OT but siakam has been balling. i wonder what else the spurs would’ve needed to give up to get him...

Siakam is a legit mvp candidate at the moment and just got payed. He’s going to be in Toronto for a very long time.

edit: my bad I read your post wrong. Read it as “would need”

[phxspurfan]

Trade DeRozan now = surrender by the FO. With this roster, subtracting a 20ppg scorer is suicide and we become worse than the warriors.

The entire roster sucks ass in the modern NBA, it’s not all DeRozans fault like people want to believe.

[spurraider21]

i'll settle for the washing machine from semi pro

[poopbox]

Not sure why we feel they won't trade Bamba...

He can't play anything but center...they signed a center to a 100 million dollar contract to play in front of him...they have another center in Birch who gets minutes...

Bamba is playing less minutes in his second season then he played in his rookie season...

Clifford does not seem to like him AT ALL...

Probably have to give a up a 1st round pick to get him...and I am intrigued enough by Bamba to do that...

Derozan and Marco for Gordon and Bamba is ideal...

[TD 21]

:lmao At constantly taking shots at me, only to practically plagiarise me . . . but I'm sure, if it comes to fruition, your legion of fellow cult members will be worshipping at your proverbial altar.



I don’t see how Fournier solves any issues. The issue isn’t the offense (even though that could improve with more shooting) as much as defense. He is somehow WORSE than DeRozan on defense and it would basically be like trading DeRozan for another Beli which makes no sense for the defense, for opening up minutes in the G/SF rotation or for the future.

The issue is everything and they're related. They make this trade and they'll not only have more 3-point shooting among their best players, but they'll be able to unlock the Murray-White pairing, which along with Gordon should boost the defense.

The trade would mostly be about Gordon, but Fournier is actually a solid fit offensively. Murray and White either aren't ready or worse, talented enough offensively to where a pure 3 and D wing makes sense next to them. They need secondary shot creation and spacing, both of which he can provide.

Defensively, it would be manageable if White starts and untenable altogether if Forbes continues to . . . and that's where the problem lies. Forbes has no place on the team if this occurs and it wouldn't make sense to commit the probably near MLE type contract he's probably got coming to him. Sense should supersede sentiment, in the form of shopping him for either a decent 2nd or a controllable young player of commensurate value.

[gambit1990]

what happened to the quote bubble? can a mod revert the change? it’s bad UX tbh.

[Kurgan]

I was pretty pissed when I heard SA was trading for DeRozan, but I agree. They made the playoffs, and adding DeRozan should have been enough of a talent infusion to keep things going.

My issue was not as much the logic of the trade; SA built a team around Kawhi and DeRozan is a wildly different player. My issue was that after last full season with DeRozan/LMA pairing, that adding Carroll was the only change they thought really necessary. I liked the Morris acquisition but even then, that was a bandaid with bringing back Rudy, Beli, Mills etc...They should have pressed harder to reshape the roster around DeRozan, even if it meant losing some future assets.

But now that they didnt? Ok, it’s not catastrophic, but they need to work towards better and more decisive decision making in either direction. Move DeRozan for either younger assets/picks or a player that has a shot at fitting better right now and raising the ceiling some.

Pop/Buford chose to be a treadmill team which is probably the worst place to be in this league.

[Play Boban]

https://www.spurstalk.com/demar-derozan-orlando-magic-trade-san-antonio-spurs/

tl;dr: Trade makes sense for both teams; Gordon and Fournier are intriguing.

You actually look a lot like Fournier tbh. :bobo

[DPG21920]

:lmao At constantly taking shots at me, only to practically plagiarise me . . . but I'm sure, if it comes to fruition, your legion of fellow cult members will be worshipping at your proverbial altar.




The issue is everything and they're related. They make this trade and they'll not only have more 3-point shooting among their best players, but they'll be able to unlock the Murray-White pairing, which along with Gordon should boost the defense.

The trade would mostly be about Gordon, but Fournier is actually a solid fit offensively. Murray and White either aren't ready or worse, talented enough offensively to where a pure 3 and D wing makes sense next to them. They need secondary shot creation and spacing, both of which he can provide.

Defensively, it would be manageable if White starts and untenable altogether if Forbes continues to . . . and that's where the problem lies. Forbes has no place on the team if this occurs and it wouldn't make sense to commit the probably near MLE type contract he's probably got coming to him. Sense should supersede sentiment, in the form of shopping him for either a decent 2nd or a controllable young player of commensurate value.

I was taking this as an either or thing. Not both. Sure, if you can get both then it makes sense. I was saying just swapping Fournier for DeRozan doesn’t do much IMO

[TD 21]

I was taking this as an either or thing. Not both. Sure, if you can get both then it makes sense. I was saying just swapping Fournier for DeRozan doesn’t do much IMO

Yeah, but that wouldn't happen. I suspect the Magic know, if they're going to do this, Gordon has to be in it and they're okay with that (descending contract, Isaac's presence, Okeke drafting, Aminu signing).

[Mugen]

Knowing RC, he's probably gonna throw in Lonnie, another 1st rounder and 10 mil in cash to sweeten the pot.

[FutureMan]

No doubt Orlando is looking at a way to get rid of Fournier’s contract. Hopefully a third team gets involved, like Charlotte.

[DPG21920]

No doubt Orlando is looking at a way to get rid of Fournier’s contract. Hopefully a third team gets involved, like Charlotte.

His deal isn’t bad at all and only has one more year on it. He has positive value for sure. Its not something they would need to dump nor should they.

[spurspl]

Not sure why we feel they won't trade Bamba...

He can't play anything but center...they signed a center to a 100 million dollar contract to play in front of him...they have another center in Birch who gets minutes...

Bamba is playing less minutes in his second season then he played in his rookie season...

Clifford does not seem to like him AT ALL...

Probably have to give a up a 1st round pick to get him...and I am intrigued enough by Bamba to do that...

Derozan and Marco for Gordon and Bamba is ideal...

totally agree, there is no place and not enough minutes for bamba in orlando and for us it could be a center for a years. He showed great defense and offensive rebounds. Finally we could get someone who could rebound those bricks from 3pt line and i see a potential in murray-bamba especially in alley-oops.

[DAF86]

Never going to happen. Pop is more concerned with trying not to hurt anyone's feelings than with trying to improve the team.

[DAF86]

There are multiple reasons Orlando might be interested in Gordon for DeRozan type package. First of all, DeRozan is a better player. They are both flawed, especially from the 3PT line, but overall, DeRozan is the superior player at this point.

With that in mind, Orlando is trying to stay a playoff team. They clawed their way there last year, re-signed an expensive Vuc and want to continue taking steps forward, not go back to the lottery.

Their guard play is by far their biggest weakness, in particular anyone that can truly create their own offense (and for others tbh..). DeRozan solves that in a big way.

Also, DeRozan is a potential expiring in case things go south. That gives him extra value.

[DAF86]

Losing someone who plays out their contract isn’t the worst thing, but it’s wildly sub-optimal. Again, not saying to trade him for some awful contract just to get “rid” of him; but he has value in this league (SA traded kawhi for him). It might not be what we would hope, but he has positive value.

Even getting a first, even if it’s late, is better than nothing. But getting a flyer on someone young like Gordon who fits with the young core and is on a VERY reasonable deal allows SA to see how it goes, inject some new life for the team and fans and? He’s still an asset you could move later if you need to get more assets.

That speaks more about PATFO's lack of trading skills than anything else, tbh. Every person, with just a bit of foreshadowing, knew it was a horrible trade the moment it happened.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I said it here a couple of days ago - if this is being discussed, Orlando is going to try to push Fournier + Fultz. I never said the Spurs would make that trade, but that's what Orlando will try to make happen.

Orlando is dead last in 3P shooting. Doesn't seem likely to me that they would trade a volume 3P shooter (Gordon) "who is at least capable of spreading the defense" for a non-3P-shooting DeRozan. Especially since it would rob them of a PF and leave them overweight at SF. Fournier is a SF, and even though he shoots some 3's they would still get an upgrade at that spot by trading him for DeRozan. In the East, the exchange of Fournier for DDR would have a good chance of getting them to the .500 record (give or take) that puts them in the playoffs.

Isaac is off the table for Orlando. Fuhgeddaboudit.

In his current incarnation, Terence Ross is all but unplayable. Not only is he shooting .245 on his 3P attempts, he has an ORTG of 84. I guess that's still better than Beli's ORTG of 81, but he's all but unplayable, too. If Ross got his 3P eye back, he'd be an asset. But I wouldn't want to take on yet another bad contract on spec.

Bottom line, any salary match the Spurs could get from Orlando would include someone that all of you would whine about, and extend the misery here by at least another season.





Also, DeRozan is a potential expiring in case things go south. That gives him extra value.

Yep. I would love to see some value come back from trading DDR. But taking on one or more half-ass players with longer contracts SHOULD be a non-starter.

[DAF86]

Gordon and Fournier for DeRozan and Belinelli works mathematically. Just throwing it out there.

[alpha_HaZE]

DeRosan and Beli for Isaak, Aminu, Fournier and Bamba :)

[Mugen]

I'd love to include another outgoing rotation player tbh, free up minutes for Lonnie/Carroll.

[BackHome]

Gordan, Bambi, and their second for DEROZZ and Forbes.

[tbdog]

Trade DeRozan now = surrender by the FO. With this roster, subtracting a 20ppg scorer is suicide and we become worse than the warriors.

The entire roster sucks ass in the modern NBA, it’s not all DeRozans fault like people want to believe.

I agree, it isn't his fault. He is probably our best player this year. But in saying that he is the easiest to trade and make a better fit. Also you have to consider that DD is leaving. Spurs are not close on the extension. Your looking down a tunnel at losing him with no cap space to patch it up.

[CGD]

My hope is that, to the extent there is a market for DDR, this starts to reveal who else might be interested (e.g., DET).

[duncan2k5]

Siakam is a legit mvp candidate at the moment and just got payed. He’s going to be in Toronto for a very long time.

edit: my bad I read your post wrong. Read it as “would need”

Siakam wouldn't have been given the freedom to become as good as he is if he were on the Spurs... He would have been right next to Metuchen in the G league

[playblair]

bamba or bust.........bamba is the interior presence spurs have missed since duncan

[gospursgojas]

https://i.imgur.com/wS290T2.jpg

Kennard shooting 40% on 90 attempts.

Snell 3D guy

Langston to make money work

Pistons would have a pretty good big 3 w Blake Drummond and Demar.

[Texas_Ranger]

Love how some people here think Mo Bamba is good. He's been shit and you know Pop won't play him cause he is young.

Id still take him if it means we are getting Defrozen traded.

[gospursgojas]

https://imgur.com/gmhHuot.jpg

Going full trade machine mode

[cutewizard]

Do it RC

[cutewizard]

Do it Pop

[cutewizard]

Do it Holts

[cd021]

Gordon and Fournier for DeRozan and Belinelli works mathematically. Just throwing it out there.
That's the trade I had in mind though I wonder if the Spurs would ask for a pick too.

Gordon, Fournier, and a 2020 lottery protected 1st for DeRozan and Belinelli. As flawed as DDR is, he's still clearly the best player in the deal. Fournier is also going to make $17 million next season.

He's not a bad player but I don't think he's worth $17 million, giving up a first might be worth it to get off of that money and get a "star" player that would probably stick around-DDR would certainly raise their team's floor but not their ceiling.

[cd021]

https://imgur.com/gmhHuot.jpg

Going full trade machine mode
Spurs would have to give up a pick but Galo fits better that DDR at this point.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

What the Spurs could get depends entirely on whether DDR is willing to commit to Orlando long term , provided that they’re interested in him in the first place. Similar to the Tobias Harris trade from last season - Philly paid a lot but they knew they were keeping him and paid him accordingly. There’s no way Orlando would be trading Gordon for an expiring DDR unless they’re totally desperate.

[szkorhetz]

Spurs would have to give up a pick but Galo fits better that DDR at this point.
Thunder would never do this, but a Three way with Magic might work.

Thunder get: Gordon, Augustin + Spurs First round pick
Spurs get: Gallo + Magic 2nd round pick
Magic get: DDR

[outmap]

Only if Isaac is included.

[cd021]

What the Spurs could get depends entirely on whether DDR is willing to commit to Orlando long term , provided that they’re interested in him in the first place. Similar to the Tobias Harris trade from last season - Philly paid a lot but they knew they were keeping him and paid him accordingly. There’s no way Orlando would be trading Gordon for an expiring DDR unless they’re totally desperate.

I don't think he's actually going to opt out. Most of the teams with cap space are bad anyways. Orlando may be willing to commit long term and he may be willing to stay and take the money and years being offered.

[outmap]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qkgnwyw

[CGD]

That's the trade I had in mind though I wonder if the Spurs would ask for a pick too.

Gordon, Fournier, and a 2020 lottery protected 1st for DeRozan and Belinelli. As flawed as DDR is, he's still clearly the best player in the deal. Fournier is also going to make $17 million next season.

He's not a bad player but I don't think he's worth $17 million, giving up a first might be worth it to get off of that money and get a "star" player that would probably stick around-DDR would certainly raise their team's floor but not their ceiling.

Funny, reading some other sites sounds like magic fans would be ok with a Gordon/Fournier for DDR/salary ballast swap, but they’d expect the spurs to be the ones giving up the assets.

Each fan base simultaneously undervalues and overvalued what they are giving up (not just us, lol). Aaron Gordon sucks and is killing the growth of Isaac!! A Gordon for AD seems like a fair swap...

[MoSpur02]

Trade DeRozan now = surrender by the FO. With this roster, subtracting a 20ppg scorer is suicide and we become worse than the warriors.

The entire roster sucks ass in the modern NBA, it’s not all DeRozans fault like people want to believe.

I'm not sure people are blaming Derozan. He's just probably the only player the Spurs have that could get them a decent/good player in return. I don't know if Aldridge would get the Spurs a return like Derozan would. He might, but right now I don't see too many teams interested in Aldridge.

Orlando is looking for help in the scoring department. Derozan solves that problem for them. Orlando is also very bad at getting to the foul line. Again Derozan solves that problem for them. It sucks he and LaMarcus aren't working out the way we all hoped. I'd prefer Aldridge go, but doubt the Spurs could get anything of value for him.

[cd021]

Funny, reading some other sites sounds like magic fans would be ok with a Gordon/Fournier for DDR/salary ballast swap, but they’d expect the spurs to be the ones giving up the assets.

Each fan base simultaneously undervalues and overvalued what they are giving up (not just us, lol). Aaron Gordon sucks and is killing the growth of Isaac!! A Gordon for AD seems like a fair swap...


Yeah that's pretty crazy tbh. DeRozan is pretty flawed but he's definitely streets ahead of Gordon and Fournier in terms of talent. PATFO wouldn't be crazy to ask for a protected 1st in a return for DeRozan. Maybe something like lottery protected for 2020 and converts to 2 2nd rounders if it doesn't convey.

Orlando would consolidate the money they'd pay for AG and Fournier in DeRozan, be able to pair him with Vucevic and still have some young talent that could pop (Bamba, Isaac, Fultz, etc)

[Maddog]

https://i.imgur.com/wS290T2.jpg

Kennard shooting 40% on 90 attempts.

Snell 3D guy

Langston to make money work

Pistons would have a pretty good big 3 w Blake Drummond and Demar.

I could see this happening, I don't quite see the incentive for the Magic to take on DDR
However, I really expect nothing happening

[cd021]

https://i.imgur.com/wS290T2.jpg

Kennard shooting 40% on 90 attempts.

Snell 3D guy

Langston to make money work

Pistons would have a pretty good big 3 w Blake Drummond and Demar.

Trade wouldn't work; Spurs already have 15 players, they'd have 17.

[jermaine]

Spurs would have to give up a pick but Galo fits better that DDR at this point.

It wouldn't work cuz LMA dont wanna be a center in the NBA.

[Noey7448]

Derozen+Forbes+Belli for Gordon+Fournier+Okeke Orlando gets playmaker scorer they want and shooting it wants while also getting off of long term contracts and spurs get athleticism and defensive potential.

[Thomas82]

bamba or bust.........bamba is the interior presence spurs have missed since duncan

+1

[spurspl]

ddr + loonie(forbes) for gordon(fournier), bamba and 1st pick

and i came up with an idea of building a two towers roster like during the duncan-robinson era. Lma, belli and lyles for whiteside, collins and a pick.
murray/forbes(white)/gordon(fournier)/collins/bamba

[R. DeMurre]

Fournier took 450 threes last year compared to DeRozan's 45.
He hit 153 compared to DeRozan's 7.

His career 3pt% is 37%. Starting him with White and Murray hides his defense and opens the floor for them and Aldridge. He's younger and cheaper than DeRozan. No brainer.

[lmbebo]

Shams? I guess tweeted out that the Magic aren't looking to trade Gordon, several teams are interested though.

[Keepin' it real]

Not a peep about this from national sports media???

[timvp]

Gordon displayed a negative basketball IQ tonight. Isolated against Belinelli and settles for a fadeaway? Yikes, tbh.

[NASpurs]

Gordon displayed a negative basketball IQ tonight. Isolated against Belinelli and settles for a fadeaway? Yikes, tbh.

Sounds like he's been watching LMA play.

[timvp]

Sounds like he's been watching LMA play.

Too true, unfortunately :lol

[TimDunkem]

Gordon displayed a negative basketball IQ tonight. Isolated against Belinelli and settles for a fadeaway? Yikes, tbh.

He's got nothing on DeRozan in the final minutes of a game.

[sasaint]

Their guards/wings torched us. Tell me again why Orlando would want Dumbmar...

[FkLA]

Their guards/wings torched us.

Yeah, but not everybody has a Beli, Wombat, and Bryn trio getting heavy minutes. Not everybody has a coach who is too arrogant to play his two all-defense level PGs together.

On another note, Tim mentioned in his piece that Fournier is 6-7 but there's no way. Dude looks like he's 6-3 or 6-4 out there, imho.

[sasaint]

Yeah, but not everybody has a Beli, Wombat, and Bryn trio getting heavy minutes. Not everybody has a coach who is too arrogant to play his two all-defense level PGs together.

On another note, Tim mentioned in his piece that Fournier is 6-7 but there's no way. Dude looks like he's 6-3 or 6-4 out there, imho.

He's always listed as 6'7". But on some websites I see him listed as a SG and on others as a SF. I thought he was a SF when he entered the league.

[timvp]

On another note, Tim mentioned in his piece that Fournier is 6-7 but there's no way.

Ha, yeah, when I initially wrote it I put 6-foot-5. I had to triple-check but apparently the guy is somehow 6-foot-7. Doesn't play like it, certainly.