Myles Garrett

[benefactor]

Thoughts? I mean you just can't fucking do that. I wouldn't be surprised if that's his last game tbh

[manufan10]

A minimum 8-12 games, but I wouldn't be surprised if something longer happened... even a lifetime ban.

[benefactor]

The Browns will cut him today to start with. Then they will just go from there.

[benefactor]

And :lol Deion Sanders trying to blame Rudolph. What a fucking faggot.

[Trill Clinton]

I'm surprised at a lot of the reactions tbh. I think him missing 3-4 games is appropriate but people calling for Mason to press charges and talking about assault is ridiculous.

[Trill Clinton]

And :lol Deion Sanders trying to blame Rudolph. What a fucking faggot.

Well he did start it then got up and ran up on Garrett. What exactly was Mason Rudolph going to do in that situation??? Once the helmet came off he should have just let his teammates handle it. Why get into a fight with no helmet?

[Chinook]

The Browns will cut him today to start with. Then they will just go from there.

Eh, can't put anything past Cleveland, but Garret likely isn't going anywhere. He'll be suspended 4-8 games (likely 6) and be back next year. It wasn't good and could have been horrible. But everyone will live and learn.

Also, yes Rudolph was acting like an idiot there. He deserves to be punished, even though Garret will and should get a way worse punishment.

[manufan10]

Yeah, Rudolph tried to pull off Garrett's helmet and also kicked him in the groin. Then continued to escalate the situation without his helmet. It doesn't excuse Garrett's actions, but let's not act like Rudolph was some innocent party here.

[Trill Clinton]

For comparison, Kyle Long got 1 game suspension for the exact same thing. It was only a preseason game too

LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- Chicago Bears (https://tv5.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/chi/chicago-bears) offensive guard Kyle Long (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15801/kyle-long) expressed remorse over his role in a heated practice fight last week that culminated with Long attacking a teammate with the teammate's own helmet.

"Obviously, what I did was absolutely unacceptable," Long said after Tuesday's practice. "As a human being, as a teammate, without question, what I did was uncalled for and absolutely so far over the line that it was on me to handle that internally and speak to the people that I needed to speak to. I've done that."

The incident occurred during last Wednesday's team scrimmage when Long got into it with Bears undrafted rookie defensive lineman Jalen Dalton (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3895834/jalen-dalton). During the altercation, Dalton's helmet came off and ended up in Long's possession. The three-time Pro Bowler repeatedly swung the helmet at Dalton as teammates attempted to intervene. Long also threw punches during the fight and tossed Dalton's helmet across the field after the two were separated.

Long watched the rest of the scrimmage from the sideline and then stayed behind -- per the team's wishes -- when the Bears traveled to New Jersey the following day for their second preseason game against the New York Giants (https://tv5.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants).

"As a rule of thumb, if you're going to use another piece of equipment, don't do that," Long said. "I mean, honestly somebody could get hurt. That's why I'm saying it's unfortunate. Can't happen, unacceptable. Gotta move forward, have to be able to channel that between the whistles."

Long's brief hiatus ended when he returned to practice on Tuesday.

"As you guys know, this is a league about action, it's not a league about talking about it," Long said. "The thing I need to continue to do is go out on a day-to-day basis and try to prove to the men in this locker room that don't know me very well and who have some questions about my character, and just try to move forward and prove to them the man I am on a daily basis. It was wrong what I did, and in a lapse of judgment, that's where I ended up, and it reflected poorly on the organization, the city, the offensive line room and that was never my intention. Moving forward, I intend to make amends."

Aside from last week's incident, Long, 30, had been enjoying his best training camp in years. The former 2013 first-round pick is finally healthy after battling a slew of serious injuries that limited him to 26 regular-season games from 2016 to 2018. And despite being asked to take a paycut in the offseason, Long is firmly entrenched as the Bears' starting right guard.

"The last time I was in pads every day and practicing every day was my rookie year," Long said. "I haven't done that in a long time. And it feels pretty darn good. I put this camp up with any of them that I've been a part of."

[Arcadian]

He's lucky the helmet just grazed Rudolph's head. If it lands cleanly on the hard part, you can easily knock someone out and damage their brain doing that shit.

[leemajors]

Indefinite suspension

[Mark Celibate]

Complete BS that Pouncey was suspended for 3 games without pay. These guys in the NFL front office need to look at the context of the situation

[Robz4000]

Just heard on the radio the league is seriously going to consider a lifetime ban on Garrett.

[Chinook]

Complete BS that Pouncey was suspended for 3 games without pay. These guys in the NFL front office need to look at the context of the situation

Yeah, no. Pouncey was stomping a dude in the head. "Context" is why he gets to come back this year at all.

It's not "justified" to retaliate like that. The idea that linemen should get into fights to protect their QB has been stupid since the league started doing it for them.

[benefactor]

Best decision the league has made this year:tu

[Chinook]

Just heard on the radio the league is seriously going to consider a lifetime ban on Garrett.

Nah. They'd lose that battle in court. He'll be back next season unless he self-destructs way more than he has. His suspension is 6-plus. It's not actually indefinite in the sense that the league hasn't decided his fate yet. He'll have to apply to come back, but if the league actually decides to change the penalty, he'll sue and win/settle just like Ray Rice did.

[spurraider21]

if vontaze burfict gets suspended for an entire season for a helmet to helmet hit that should be the minimum for garrett tbh

im frankly more surprised that mason rudolph seems to be getting off scot-free

[johnsmith]

For comparison, Kyle Long got 1 game suspension for the exact same thing. It was only a preseason game too

LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- Chicago Bears (https://tv5.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/chi/chicago-bears) offensive guard Kyle Long (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15801/kyle-long) expressed remorse over his role in a heated practice fight last week that culminated with Long attacking a teammate with the teammate's own helmet.

"Obviously, what I did was absolutely unacceptable," Long said after Tuesday's practice. "As a human being, as a teammate, without question, what I did was uncalled for and absolutely so far over the line that it was on me to handle that internally and speak to the people that I needed to speak to. I've done that."

The incident occurred during last Wednesday's team scrimmage when Long got into it with Bears undrafted rookie defensive lineman Jalen Dalton (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3895834/jalen-dalton). During the altercation, Dalton's helmet came off and ended up in Long's possession. The three-time Pro Bowler repeatedly swung the helmet at Dalton as teammates attempted to intervene. Long also threw punches during the fight and tossed Dalton's helmet across the field after the two were separated.

Long watched the rest of the scrimmage from the sideline and then stayed behind -- per the team's wishes -- when the Bears traveled to New Jersey the following day for their second preseason game against the New York Giants (https://tv5.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants).

"As a rule of thumb, if you're going to use another piece of equipment, don't do that," Long said. "I mean, honestly somebody could get hurt. That's why I'm saying it's unfortunate. Can't happen, unacceptable. Gotta move forward, have to be able to channel that between the whistles."

Long's brief hiatus ended when he returned to practice on Tuesday.

"As you guys know, this is a league about action, it's not a league about talking about it," Long said. "The thing I need to continue to do is go out on a day-to-day basis and try to prove to the men in this locker room that don't know me very well and who have some questions about my character, and just try to move forward and prove to them the man I am on a daily basis. It was wrong what I did, and in a lapse of judgment, that's where I ended up, and it reflected poorly on the organization, the city, the offensive line room and that was never my intention. Moving forward, I intend to make amends."

Aside from last week's incident, Long, 30, had been enjoying his best training camp in years. The former 2013 first-round pick is finally healthy after battling a slew of serious injuries that limited him to 26 regular-season games from 2016 to 2018. And despite being asked to take a paycut in the offseason, Long is firmly entrenched as the Bears' starting right guard.

"The last time I was in pads every day and practicing every day was my rookie year," Long said. "I haven't done that in a long time. And it feels pretty darn good. I put this camp up with any of them that I've been a part of."



Scrimmage is not the same as a nationally televised game....you know this.

[Chinook]

if vontaze burfict gets suspended for an entire season for a helmet to helmet hit that should be the minimum for garrett tbh

im frankly more surprised that mason rudolph seems to be getting off scot-free

Burfict didn't get suspended at all until he did that multiple times. It's not really comparable.

[spurraider21]

Burfict didn't get suspended at all until he did that multiple times. It's not really comparable.
regardless, what he did was still in the context of playing football and happened while making tackles during live play

[Chinook]

regardless, what he did was still in the context of playing football and happened while making tackles during live play

Not really. Burfict didn't get suspended for hitting a guy during a play. He got suspended for flagrantly disregarding warnings from the league over the course of many years and refusing to stop head-hunting. Being a repeat offender matters, especially when you're as prolific as Vontaze.

[spurraider21]

Not really. Burfict didn't get suspended for hitting a guy during a play. He got suspended for flagrantly disregarding warnings from the league over the course of many years and refusing to stop head-hunting. Being a repeat offender matters, especially when you're as prolific as Vontaze.
i didnt say they were clean plays, and they were illegal/penalized hits. it still comes within the context of making a tackle in a play. its like comparing a repeat flagrant fouler in the NBA to a guy that throws a punch well after the whistle

[FrostKing]

Didnt do nuthin

[Chinook]

i didnt say they were clean plays, and they were illegal/penalized hits. it still comes within the context of making a tackle in a play. its like comparing a repeat flagrant fouler in the NBA to a guy that throws a punch well after the whistle

Man, no. It's like those people bringing Gordon into it. Repeatedly breaking the rules is going to eventually lead to a worse punishment than a first offense for a "worse" act. Burfict repeatedly hurting people for years is why he got the hammer. He just doesn't give a damn about the damage he does. Maybe the like 11th time will be the charm.

[Chris]

assault with a deadly weapon

The hammer will be heavy.

[Luka Doncic]

I get that they want to shut this shit down and make sure nobody ever dares do it again, but a lifetime ban seems crazy for this. A calendar year suspension seems appropriate tbh.

[MultiTroll]

He's lucky the helmet just grazed Rudolph's head. If it lands cleanly on the hard part, you can easily knock someone out and damage their brain doing that shit.
But it didn't just graze it. The angle where the Rudolph is directly between Myles and the camera shows the strike and his head definitely bends. Lucky it didn't hit the temple part or other softer part of his skull. Regardless, Rudolph just had a blow out concussion like a month ago, didn't he? This could have definitely fucked that some more.

Goodell is a jellyfish, this we know. He and the owners will act strictly according to the market. With the trend among moms and pops with kids and others nationwide to getting away from concussionball, pretty sure they will have to make some *statement* and make the end of the season ban stick. They will reevalute what public perception and ticket and ad sales are at that time.

[SpursforSix]

I get that they want to shut this shit down and make sure nobody ever dares do it again, but a lifetime ban seems crazy for this. A calendar year suspension seems appropriate tbh.

IDK...there aren't many employers who would let you come back if you brought a football helmet to work and hit someone in the head with it.

[Luka Doncic]

IDK...there aren't many employers who would let you come back if you brought a football helmet to work and hit someone in the head with it.
Michael Irvin did it and only got a $12,000 fine.

[SpursforSix]

Michael Irvin did it and only got a $12,000 fine.

So that's one.

[Luka Doncic]

So that's one.
The only one that matters here.

[Will Hunting]

I get that they want to shut this shit down and make sure nobody ever dares do it again, but a lifetime ban seems crazy for this. A calendar year suspension seems appropriate tbh.
There needs to be some sort of a repeat offender angle for a lifetime ban to be considered imo. The fact that Garrett has had a clean track record prior to this means a calendar year is probably appropriate imo.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The Browns will cut him today to start with. Then they will just go from there.

Sadly no. They signed Kareem Hunt when nobody else wanted him.

[Millennial_Messiah]

But it didn't just graze it. The angle where the Rudolph is directly between Myles and the camera shows the strike and his head definitely bends. Lucky it didn't hit the temple part or other softer part of his skull. Regardless, Rudolph just had a blow out concussion like a month ago, didn't he? This could have definitely fucked that some more.

Goodell is a jellyfish, this we know. He and the owners will act strictly according to the market. With the trend among moms and pops with kids and others nationwide to getting away from concussionball, pretty sure they will have to make some *statement* and make the end of the season ban stick. They will reevalute what public perception and ticket and ad sales are at that time.

The thing is, the NFLPA won't be there to help out Garrett this time (as it was player-on-player violence, not player vs. refs or player vs. league stuff, off-field suspension stuff) so if they took his side that would be a bad look because Rudolph is also a fellow player, a quarterback no less.

[Mark Celibate]

Yeah, no. Pouncey was stomping a dude in the head. "Context" is why he gets to come back this year at all.

It's not "justified" to retaliate like that. The idea that linemen should get into fights to protect their QB has been stupid since the league started doing it for them.

Yeah, no. He took one kick that probably didn't even land when Garrett had his helmet on. C'mon, he just watched his quarterback literally get assaulted. The usual "pushing and shoving" doesn't suffice. If I was a lineman, I would've done the same thing. I think throwing punches after a situation like that would be the normal reaction

[JoeTait75]

He'll be suspended for the rest of the year, as he should be, and he'll be reinstated by Week 5 of 2020 (10 games) at the latest, imo. Garrett didn't have a bad reputation going into this. Over time the hot takes will cool down and the people screaming about it on social media will get the dopamine rush out of their system.

FWIW I thought Warren Sapp destroying Chad Clifton was worse, and Albert Haynesworth stomping Andre Gurode in the head was a lot worse, IMO.

[Blake]

Assault charges should be filed for that.

[phxspurfan]

Rudolph instigated it tbh. He seems like a stupid prick too, if you watch him play he's annoying as fuck and his throws injure his own players he's that stupid. I bet he talked mad shit that started this whole thing. But the punishment for Garrett was appropriate. But Rudolph needed some punishment as well for fighting.

[Arcadian]

https://sports.theonion.com/nfl-rescinds-myles-garrett-suspension-after-review-foot-1839896771


NFL Rescinds Myles Garrett Suspension After Review Footage Clearly Shows Mason Rudolph’s Punchable Fucking Face

:lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://sports.theonion.com/nfl-rescinds-myles-garrett-suspension-after-review-foot-1839896771



:lol
:lol he does have a punchable face like a preppy 8th grade spring dance king/student council president.


This one is good too:

https://sports.theonion.com/lions-switch-to-no-coverage-defense-to-prevent-mitch-tr-1839755991

[FrostKing]

"If you're not coaching it, you're allowing it to happen, and when I watch the Cleveland Browns, I see a lot of stuff being allowed to happen, whether it's clown shoes, visors, whatever it may be," Haley told SiriusXM. "Myles Garrett hitting the quarterback low, hitting the quarterback in the head, it's happening too much."


Browns are so desperate they allow the prisoners to run the asylum

[KobesAchilles]

10 game ban seems appropriate. The fact that it was a stand alone game plays a huge part in it too bc the NFL took a huge media hit.

[Darth_Pelican]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28130757/during-appeal-myles-garrett-accused-mason-rudolph-using-racial-slur

no one saw that coming :lol

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/bsddDpN/Screenshot-2019-11-21-10-30-33-1.png

Black privilege

[Chris]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28130757/during-appeal-myles-garrett-accused-mason-rudolph-using-racial-slur

no one saw that coming :lol

(one week later)


"oh by the way I just remembered after talking to my lawyer! he called me a ni**er"

:lol

[Chris]

Justice for Jussie and Myles

[benefactor]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28130757/during-appeal-myles-garrett-accused-mason-rudolph-using-racial-slur

no one saw that coming :lol
:lol playing the ###### card because you can't control your inner Shaka Zulu

[Chucho]

Didn't Rudolph recently release a statement he is forgiving and forgetting?

[HarlemHeat37]

Rudolph not getting punished, while that Browns linemen got suspended a game is an egregious example of privilege:lol. Rudolph started this entire thing by severely overreacting due to frustration after an embarrassing performance.

Garrett shouldn't receive more than 6 games, based on precedence. There have been worse incidents with less punishment, even ignoring off-field shit.

The outrage about this is pathetic, btw. All these pussies on twitter losing their minds over a fight where the instigator lost.

[FrostKing]

Rudolph not getting punished, while that Browns linemen got suspended a game is an egregious example of privilege:lol. Rudolph started this entire thing by severely overreacting due to frustration after an embarrassing performance.

Garrett shouldn't receive more than 6 games, based on precedence. There have been worse incidents with less punishment, even ignoring off-field shit.

The outrage about this is pathetic, btw. All these pussies on twitter losing their minds over a fight where the instigator lost.
If the racial slurs aren't proven true, he should get a full season

[HarlemHeat37]

If the racial slurs aren't proven true, he should get a full season

They likely are true, I can tell just by looking at the way Rudolph tried to go at a bigger, stronger, more athletic man without hesitation. He's accustomed to getting whatever he wants, likely went to a private school, rich daddy, etc. Probably a lot of Black slurs casually dropped at Rudolph family gatherings, never been tested in real life.

[Clipper Nation]

Rudolph not getting punished, while that Browns linemen got suspended a game is an egregious example of privilege:lol. Rudolph started this entire thing by severely overreacting due to frustration after an embarrassing performance.

Garrett shouldn't receive more than 6 games, based on precedence. There have been worse incidents with less punishment, even ignoring off-field shit.

The outrage about this is pathetic, btw. All these pussies on twitter losing their minds over a fight where the instigator lost.

Rudolph not getting any punishment is ridiculous, and it's only because he's a quarterback. If he played any other position, he'd have been suspended at least a game or two.

But come on, unless audio evidence comes out proving otherwise, the "racial slur" story has to be taken with a grain of salt. Why wouldn't Garrett bring it up at the time instead of waiting until now? There were multiple other players and a ref right there, why didn't any of them notice or react?

[FrostKing]

They likely are true, I can tell just by looking at the way Rudolph tried to go at a bigger, stronger, more athletic man without hesitation. He's accustomed to getting whatever he wants, likely went to a private school, rich daddy, etc. Probably a lot of Black slurs casually dropped at Rudolph family gatherings, never been tested in real life.
Then why would he use a slur when he knows he's superior? I was told racism is rooted in fear/resentment

[SpursforSix]

Then why would he use a slur when he knows he's superior? I was told racism is rooted in fear/resentment

Maybe he didn't use it in the bad sense. Maybe he just said something like "good hit my nigga". And Garrett was super sensitive.

[Darth_Pelican]

There’s no way the black Steelers players would have come to Rudolph’s aid in the fight if he had used a racial slur. There’s also no way Garrett wouldn’t have immediately reported it to the press right after the game when emotions were at their highest.

[FrostKing]

Arguably the worst act in NFL history

First the attempt to physically end your opponents career. Then calculated effort to destroy their reputation off the field. Is the accusations of racism 1 week later even worse than physical attack in the heat of battle?

[SpursforSix]

Arguably the worst act in NFL history

First the attempt to physically end your opponents career. Then calculated effort to destroy their reputation off the field. Is the accusations of racism 1 week later even worse than physical attack in the heat of battle?

Uh no. The head bashing is the more egregious offense.

[FrostKing]

Uh no. The head bashing is the more egregious offense.
But it was a brawl. Planning for one week how to defame an opponent is more diabolical

[Blake]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28130757/nfl-finds-no-such-evidence-mason-rudolph-directing-racial-slur-myles-garrett

[AlexJones]

They likely are true, I can tell just by looking at the way Rudolph tried to go at a bigger, stronger, more athletic man without hesitation. He's accustomed to getting whatever he wants, likely went to a private school, rich daddy, etc. Probably a lot of Black slurs casually dropped at Rudolph family gatherings, never been tested in real life.

This the worst season ever for white QBs. White NFL players shouldn't be allowed to play anything other than Kicker TE and Oline.

[Blake]

This the worst season ever for white QBs. White NFL players shouldn't be allowed to play anything other than Kicker TE and Oline.

Yes, McCaffrey would be much better served as a punter

[Bynumite]

They likely are true, I can tell just by looking at the way Rudolph tried to go at a bigger, stronger, more athletic man without hesitation. He's accustomed to getting whatever he wants, likely went to a private school, rich daddy, etc. Probably a lot of Black slurs casually dropped at Rudolph family gatherings, never been tested in real life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Kp1O9oFzI

[Bynumite]

Just another negro trying to pull a Jussie Smollett.



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[Chris]

Making youself the victim goes hand in hand with virtue signaling. It's an easy out.

[Raven]

Rudolph not getting any punishment is ridiculous, and it's only because he's a quarterback. If he played any other position, he'd have been suspended at least a game or two.

But come on, unless audio evidence comes out proving otherwise, the "racial slur" story has to be taken with a grain of salt. Why wouldn't Garrett bring it up at the time instead of waiting until now? There were multiple other players and a ref right there, why didn't any of them notice or react?

It shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt, it should cause a multi milion dollar deflamation lawsuit.

[spurraider21]

Making youself the victim goes hand in hand with virtue signaling. It's an easy out.
but enough about orange man

[Chris]

but enough about orange man

Sir this is a Wendy's.

[spurraider21]

Sir this is a Wendy's.
:lol :tu

[JoeTait75]

Garrett tried to play the race card and came up snake eyes. I don't believe for a minute that an NFL quarterback, a guy who relies on black men to protect him and help him put food on the table, is going to drop a racial slur on the field. It's bullshit and even as a Browns fan I'm glad he didn't get anywhere with it.

[Divac Doesnt Flop]

NFL fans are a joke. People can murder people on the field and homers and wannabe tough guys will say the punishment is too harsh. Same people will support blackballing of Kaep for kneeling though. This sport deserves to be extinct ASAP.

[Divac Doesnt Flop]

Cleveland Browns are basically an organized crime ring at this point. They lead the league in penalties by a large margin, and their coach stands by players who try to murder opponents during the last seconds of a game they're winning.