Spurs Inconvenient Truth: Bryn Forbes is a Failed Experiment as a Starter [Archive] - Page 2

Spurtacular

12-07-2019, 02:55 AM

Yeah, there's really no need to have both Patty and Forbes on the team. They're the exact same player (undersized SGs whose only NBA skill is shooting). Add in Beli and you've got a Spicy Shit Trio tbh.

Most playoff teams would probably live with having one of those guys on the court for 20-25 mins a game but Pop's got at least one checked-in for the full 48 minutes and many times 2 out of the 3 :lmao

They're (Mills, Forbes) not the exact same. There are legit differences in their capabilities and styles. I tend to think playing them so many minutes at the same time is something only Gregg would do. It makes me think why did Jimmer not stick here; but most certainly cos he wasn't willing to be a Pop Pet.

TDomination

12-07-2019, 10:09 AM

On that note - How the fuck did Toronto have the audacity to request Leonard AND Green in a trade...and how the fuck did the Spurs agree to it? When you're trading for a superstar like Leonard, the best player in the league, THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GETTING. You don't get another starter-caliber player along with him, I'm sorry. I don't care if you throw in a draft pick and Poeltl. All three of your pieces combined are still less valuable than Leonard.

This is the most mind boggling part of the trade. We shouldn't have had to get rid of anyone else outside of say Forbes or Gasol. Sending Green was a travesty and completely stupid. You gave them 40% of their starting lineup that won them a championship. And in return lost your 2 best defenders in 1 day. Just plain stupid.

Russ

12-07-2019, 10:40 AM

This is the most mind boggling part of the trade. We shouldn't have had to get rid of anyone else outside of say Forbes or Gasol. Sending Green was a travesty and completely stupid. You gave them 40% of their starting lineup that won them a championship. And in return lost your 2 best defenders in 1 day. Just plain stupid.

Green was horrible his last couple of years in SA -- his three-point shot was gone. It was more than a slump. Go back and look at what folks here said about Green toward the end.

The Spurs didn't look at losing Green as an additional "price" of the Kawhi trade, they looked at it as a benefit.

Green was standing in the way of multiple young players who figured into the Spurs' future plans.

Green resurrected his career in Toronto -- but it's simply revisionist history to start acting like Green was a big trade piece that the Spurs gave up.

koriwhat

12-07-2019, 05:14 PM

i like bryn's fire but seeing him up close last night proved he isn't a defender whatsoever. he was lost on every defensive play it was shocking. on one play he literally jumped the gun and ran towards his man as his man blew right past him and he just stood there like wtf. it was sickening... poor bryn

Arcadian

12-07-2019, 09:07 PM

Green was horrible his last couple of years in SA -- his three-point shot was gone. It was more than a slump. Go back and look at what folks here said about Green toward the end.

The Spurs didn't look at losing Green as an additional "price" of the Kawhi trade, they looked at it as a benefit.

Green was standing in the way of multiple young players who figured into the Spurs' future plans.

Green resurrected his career in Toronto -- but it's simply revisionist history to start acting like Green was a big trade piece that the Spurs gave up.

Just the fact that Green was a starter who could defend made it horrible. I didn't even say he was necessarily a big piece - I just said trading any piece with any value in addition to Leonard was something they shouldn't have had to do. Those young guys he was "standing in the way of" are much smaller and less capable defensively than Green, so they never had as high a ceiling as him. And now here we are, sorely in need of a tall SG who can defend. Gee, if only we had one of those and didn't trade him away.

Slippy

12-09-2019, 07:22 AM

You want another inconvenient truth. If the spurs miss the playoffs . BRYN starting will be a big reason for why. I mean defensivly he the biggest weakness on SLand even abigger liability as help defender.

Still starting. Only pop.

Pop and RC should be protecting their pet so he gets his payday.

XDT76

12-09-2019, 07:44 AM

Just the fact that Green was a starter who could defend made it horrible. I didn't even say he was necessarily a big piece - I just said trading any piece with any value in addition to Leonard was something they shouldn't have had to do. Those young guys he was "standing in the way of" are much smaller and less capable defensively than Green, so they never had as high a ceiling as him. And now here we are, sorely in need of a tall SG who can defend. Gee, if only we had one of those and didn't trade him away.

Not exactly true, we could have Bertans as SF and DDR at SG.

DAF86

12-09-2019, 01:33 PM

Bertans is all Pop thinks Forbes is, tbh.

Sugus

12-09-2019, 01:42 PM

Bertans is all Pop thinks Forbes is, tbh.

But does Bertans have that undrafted underdog pedigree tbh?

ZeusWillJudge

12-10-2019, 10:17 PM

Walt Lemon had 28 points and 8 AST tonight, and was 3-3 from 3P. Instant improvement for this team, available for a min contract.

… and Walt Lemon had 25 points, 8 AST, and 8 RB tonight with only 2 TO. I like White and Murry, but damn I miss having a PG. Even if Lemon is only bench material, I have to think that he would improve this squad at a min-contract price.

timvp

12-13-2019, 02:24 PM

Are the Spurs a playoff team if Pop starts Walker instead of Forbes from here on out?

Hmmm . . . . . .. .. . . . .

NASpurs

12-13-2019, 02:30 PM

Are the Spurs a playoff team if Pop starts Walker instead of Forbes from here on out?

Hmmm . . . . . .. .. . . . .

It’ll just mean that Patty, Forbes and Beli are going to get minutes together off the bench. You know Pop won’t be able to resist.

Floyd Pacquiao

12-13-2019, 02:30 PM

Are the Spurs a playoff team if Pop starts Walker instead of Forbes from here on out?

Hmmm . . . . . .. .. . . . .

Yes, but I'm gonna hate watching Lonnie freezed out, just standing at the 3 point line while derozan hogs the ball and throws up a vomit induced contested 2 whilst melting down at the refs

RC_Drunkford

12-13-2019, 03:41 PM

Are the Spurs a playoff team if Pop starts Walker instead of Forbes from here on out?

Hmmm . . . . . .. .. . . . .

that will never happen. And Gay is not a starting PF. He's a good bench player, but he's not a starter. Spurs gotta get rid of one of Forbes/Mills and package some of Lyles/Carroll/Belinelli for a starting PF. The problem is that the ones on the market are in the Mills salary range and you know Pop will never trade Mills cause "culture".

White/Walker/DeRozan/Gallinari/Aldridge

Murray/Forbes/Carroll/Gay/Poeltl

is a playoff team. Problem is the senile coach might need another 60 games to realize this.

Leetonidas

12-13-2019, 03:43 PM

Are the Spurs a playoff team if Pop starts Walker instead of Forbes from here on out?

Hmmm . . . . . .. .. . . . .

No. Because we all know Pop will still play Forbes and Beli heavy minutes regardless of who starts. Starting to think no matter what the rotations are this roster as currently constructed is not a playoff team tbh

Slippy

12-14-2019, 06:01 AM

No. Because we all know Pop will still play Forbes and Beli heavy minutes regardless of who starts. Starting to think no matter what the rotations are this roster as currently constructed is not a playoff team tbh

Disagree even though I get the gist of what you're saying about old man Pop

Lonnies defense alone would be an automatic upgrade. He creates havoc and man on man he can stick. Offensively, I'm expecting more easy transition points which spurs are hardly getting atm from the SL.

Pops forced to play him a certain amount of min as a starter. Off the bench who the fuk knows what hes thinking.

talkspurs

12-14-2019, 12:41 PM

Did not see this posted in this thread but thought it was decent. One line I saw in it was pop told Bryn his defense would have to improve if he wanted minutes. I guess that went out the window.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/sports/basketball/nba-draft-alex-caruso-bryn-forbes.html?fbclid=IwAR0TAgDoXJ9pxz4jZrxMu2jrm73MV vUOtmldTfBQg8xTNdN8_AdNvHojHfs

r0drig0lac

12-14-2019, 01:34 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/sports/basketball/nba-draft-alex-caruso-bryn-forbes.html?fbclid=IwAR0TAgDoXJ9pxz4jZrxMu2jrm73MV vUOtmldTfBQg8xTNdN8_AdNvHojHfs

fuck this
24/3 in comming

offset formation

12-14-2019, 01:50 PM

On that note - How the fuck did Toronto have the audacity to request Leonard AND Green in a trade...and how the fuck did the Spurs agree to it? When you're trading for a superstar like Leonard, the best player in the league, THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GETTING. You don't get another starter-caliber player along with him, I'm sorry. I don't care if you throw in a draft pick and Poeltl. All three of your pieces combined are still less valuable than Leonard.

Nephew's bitch ass had a lot to do with weakening his value. PATFOs goose was cooked on getting fair market value the second his uncle and that fucker made it clear he was not going to stay anywhere besides LA.

I get where you are going here but let us never start to blame anyone else but the bitch himself who made it all go around.

In fact looking back on it, we all should have known (I did), that he was fucking us over the moment he couldn't bring himself to sit with his teammates on the bench.

What a fucking bitch of a man.

timtonymanu

12-14-2019, 08:30 PM

Brent Forms is his new nickname

timvp

12-14-2019, 08:34 PM

Brent Forms is his new nickname

:lol

This guy, man.

Compared to how he is playing now, Forbes Forms was actually pretty damn good before this thread was made :depressed

UZER

12-14-2019, 08:40 PM

Brent Forms is his new nickname

With his awful inconsistent shooting, it should be Bent Forms.

timvp

12-14-2019, 08:43 PM

Mugen

12-14-2019, 08:48 PM

Forbes is now shooting 40.0% from the floor and 34.4% on threes. Maybe if Pop doesn't want to admit Forbes' defense is horrendous, he will notice his percentages going in the toilet.

It's a shame, really. Forbes could legitimately be a good player off the bench. Hopefully the Spurs find out before they have to figure out his next contract.

:lol So dumb. If Bryn is on the roster, he's starting. The only thing that changes that is if Pop calls it quits in the next week or so.

I wouldn't take that loser back even if he was paying the Spurs 10mil.

TimDunkem

12-14-2019, 08:50 PM

Forbes is still a god awful defender. Nearly the worst in the league. This team isn't good enough to have a player like Forbes playing as anything more than a 10th man.

SequSpur

12-16-2019, 05:28 PM

SequSpur, you think he's adequately sized to compete on defense as a starter?

Nobody plays defense anymore, whoever scores the most, wins.... Meanwhile, I guess Dejounte's 2ppg is ideal?

MultiTroll

12-16-2019, 05:39 PM

Nobody plays defense anymore, whoever scores the most, wins.... Meanwhile, I guess Dejounte's 2ppg is ideal?
They both score about 10 points a game in equal minutes.

When Murray rebounds, assists, steals at 3Xs the rate of your Bryn Forms, and defends at 8Xs it's a no brainer.

Are you dating Forbes?

RC_Drunkford

12-16-2019, 05:55 PM

The problem with teams attacking Forbes is that the whole team has to cover for him. Anybody that attacks him sucks in the other defenders and teams get open looks.

Slippy

12-16-2019, 06:31 PM

The problem with teams attacking Forbes is that the whole team has to cover for him. Anybody that attacks him sucks in the other defenders and teams get open looks.

This. He is the weakest link

ZeusWillJudge

12-16-2019, 11:37 PM

… and Walt Lemon had 25 points, 8 AST, and 8 RB tonight with only 2 TO. I like White and Murry, but damn I miss having a PG. Even if Lemon is only bench material, I have to think that he would improve this squad at a min-contract price.

Tonight Lemon had 20 points, 10 assists, and 3 steals. I know he was "only" 2-3 from 3P, not 6-9 like Forbes. But wouldn't it be nice to have a real PG on the roster to keep offense flowing from time to time? For a min contract?

Put him on the floor with Poeltl, and they would PnR opposing second units to death.

slick'81

12-16-2019, 11:41 PM

Bryns time is up. White/murray need to start from here on out,unless pop is actually trying to tank which we know he isnt

r0drig0lac

12-17-2019, 07:45 AM

Bryns time is up. White/murray need to start from here on out,unless pop is actually trying to tank which we know he isnt

ZeusWillJudge

12-17-2019, 10:39 AM

Bryns time is up. White/murray need to start from here on out,unless pop is actually trying to tank which we know he isnt

White and Murray are the future. At least part of the future. Bryn sure as hell isn't. Or if he is, the future is screwed.

I agree. Time to move on.

GreekSpursfan

12-17-2019, 11:56 AM

If Forbes is the future we're screwed, i agree but a White/Murray backcourt is a bright future? Still screwed imo, tbh. We need real talent for a bright future meaning championship contention.

r0drig0lac

12-17-2019, 12:20 PM

If Forbes is the future we're screwed, i agree but a White/Murray backcourt is a bright future? Still screwed imo, tbh. We need real talent for a bright future meaning championship contention.

possibly, Walker / White / Murray getting all minutes on pg/sg can be really competitive against any backcourt (defensively would be the best in the league, no doubt), but to be sure, it would be necessary to test.

RC_Drunkford

12-17-2019, 03:31 PM

OldMan88

12-18-2019, 03:33 PM

JeffDuncan

12-18-2019, 04:31 PM

Bryn could be a net positive bench player where his shooting would give needed energy and his defensive limitations wouldn’t be as critical against other 2nd string players. He can’t continue to start based on his defense.

A person might think Forbes could do better against bench players, but then recall how he's been obliterated by guys like Yogi Ferrell. Forbes can't defend any player in the NBA.

MultiTroll

12-19-2019, 10:18 AM

A person might think Forbes could do better against bench players, but then recall how he's been obliterated by guys like Yogi Ferrell. Forbes can't defend any player in the NBA.
Who the f was an is the driving force behind recruiting, giving time, advancing to starter and now this beyond retard shit of maintaining him as starter?

CIA Senile acting alone on this or was and is Drunkford in on it? Of course he was. But to what extent. And now, Drunkford in on Forbes?
Timmy Duncan condones this shit or is Duncs just collecting a paycheck and touring around the country again?

R. DeMurre

12-19-2019, 01:40 PM

On that note - How the fuck did Toronto have the audacity to request Leonard AND Green in a trade...and how the fuck did the Spurs agree to it? When you're trading for a superstar like Leonard, the best player in the league, THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GETTING. You don't get another starter-caliber player along with him, I'm sorry. I don't care if you throw in a draft pick and Poeltl. All three of your pieces combined are still less valuable than Leonard.

It also doesn't help that Green seems to have thrived after leaving the Spurs' system... His 3pt% went way up. It's hard not to think Green sometimes felt smothered by Pop, who routinely yelled at him in a way he never has at Forbes, DeRozan, or Mills.

RC_Drunkford

12-19-2019, 01:41 PM

I think Weatherspoon is a BIG upgrade from bryn even in his Proto Austin Spurs State.

Better Athlete, beter defensive tools. You have a 6'3" (thats pushing it) Engine that could guy with T Rex arms vs a Poor Mans Marcus Smart but a 6'4.25" with a 6'9-10" wingspan 40" vertical, 3.09 sprint and 3.15 Shuttle.

He has a better 3pt % than Luka thus far

All the metrics are there.

Weatherspoon is a George Hill kind of player. I said the same even before the season. We just gotta hope Forbes and Flopovich are out soon

RodNIc91

12-19-2019, 01:44 PM

Bryn Forbes sucks. Called it from day 1.

Sugus

12-19-2019, 06:48 PM

Bryn Forbes sucks. Called it from day 1.

He doesn't, though - he's being put in a position to fail. He's the kind of bench player you put on the floor for quick offense, a serious chucker that, when on, provides a big and quick scoring advantage (he's obviously not hitting 6 threes in a row every game like the last one, but that's a good outlook of what he brings to the table). His defense is absolute thrash, but he wouldn't be nearly as abused if he were going against opposing benches instead of being forced to defend star SGs (and every opponent position's stars really, since teams obviously force switches until they go through him like an open door).

Pop is horribly misusing the roster he's been given this season. Not only preventing the best defensive pairing in the team, but playing one of the worst defenders in the NBA in his place - that's a recipe for failure. I think Forbes would be good to retain, in a vacuum and having assumed his properly reduced role and thus salary; but him staying will mean Pop still overplays him, so I'm hoping another team throws big money at him. I do see him having a Bertans kind of season after he leaves...

Slippy

12-19-2019, 11:06 PM

Was that flagrant suspension worthy... I think so but i have a bias.. haha it's an inconvenient truth

slick'81

12-19-2019, 11:07 PM

I refuse to acknowledge forbes even exists ,tbh. Atleast until he removes his head from his ass

spurraider21

12-19-2019, 11:16 PM

The loaded magazine

SpurPadre

12-19-2019, 11:26 PM

He doesn't, though - he's being put in a position to fail. He's the kind of bench player you put on the floor for quick offense, a serious chucker that, when on, provides a big and quick scoring advantage (he's obviously not hitting 6 threes in a row every game like the last one, but that's a good outlook of what he brings to the table). His defense is absolute thrash, but he wouldn't be nearly as abused if he were going against opposing benches instead of being forced to defend star SGs (and every opponent position's stars really, since teams obviously force switches until they go through him like an open door).

Pop is horribly misusing the roster he's been given this season. Not only preventing the best defensive pairing in the team, but playing one of the worst defenders in the NBA in his place - that's a recipe for failure. I think Forbes would be good to retain, in a vacuum and having assumed his properly reduced role and thus salary; but him staying will mean Pop still overplays him, so I'm hoping another team throws big money at him. I do see him having a Bertans kind of season after he leaves...

He is being put in position to fail by starting but no way he has a Bertans kind of season if he ever leaves. Bertans is more physically gifted, obviously but he's also more skilled and more athletic. I think it's more likely we see Forbes turn out like Gary Neal did once he left the Spurs.

SpurPadre

12-19-2019, 11:39 PM

lol wtf theres zero chance forbes ever has a season like Bertans does

That's EXACTLY the point I was making.

Dennis the Menace

12-19-2019, 11:40 PM

Forbes is a worse version of Gary Neal

UZER

12-20-2019, 01:04 AM

Forbes is a way worse version of what Pop sees in his head.

ZeusWillJudge

12-20-2019, 03:39 AM

Weatherspoon is a George Hill kind of player. I said the same even before the season. We just gotta hope Forbes and Flopovich are out soon

Forbes bulked up, and Spoon is still stronger than him. He can handle contact without coughing the ball up. Forbes is a target on both ends of the floor, because any time he puts the ball on the floor more than once, the defense is coming after him - and he's either got to dump it off to someone, or it's a turnover.

I don't know if Spoon is ready to deliver 3-pointers against NBA defenders, but I would take him in every other facet of the game right now. And he's going to get better - Forbes is done improving. This is it for him.

ZeusWillJudge

12-20-2019, 03:47 AM

Bryn Forbes sucks. Called it from day 1.

I didn't. Forbes has an incredible stroke - good enough that it can't be taught. I thought he would tighten up his handles - he didn't. And I didn't think anybody could be that fucking bad on defense. I gave him credit for more on D, just because I didn't have the imagination to think he would be this worthless there.

He doesn't, though - he's being put in a position to fail. He's the kind of bench player you put on the floor for quick offense

He does, though. He's got to be spoon-fed, because the big boys on the block will just take the ball away from him. Over and over. And he's a target on defense. I've watched too may guys coming down the floor, actively looking for Forbes. The Spurs have had way too many games where they just couldn't get a damn stop, and Forbes has been a big part of that. When you can't get a stop, you have to be perfect on offense - and it really helps if you can make more 3's than the other team. That puts the Spurs in a hole, any time Forbes isn't red hot from the arc.

He really does suck. Nice kid and all that, but the experiment is over. We all know what he is now. All the other teams know what he is now. Only Pop doesn't seem to.

If he was on a team with strong defenders, and a Harden-type player that sucks in defenders? Yeah, he would make more 3's. He wouldn't be better - he'd just get more open opportunities. Bertans is actually doing things he never got the chance to do in SA.

RC_Drunkford

12-20-2019, 07:56 AM

Forbes bulked up, and Spoon is still stronger than him. He can handle contact without coughing the ball up. Forbes is a target on both ends of the floor, because any time he puts the ball on the floor more than once, the defense is coming after him - and he's either got to dump it off to someone, or it's a turnover.

I don't know if Spoon is ready to deliver 3-pointers against NBA defenders, but I would take him in every other facet of the game right now. And he's going to get better - Forbes is done improving. This is it for him.

Spoon was a legit star player on his college team and had big plays in the clutch. He's also a PG so his playmaking skills are way better. Add his physical abilities to that which makes him a better defender than Forbes ever will be. I see him as a combo guard who can come off the bench while being able to make plays on both ends. That's great value for a 2nd round pick

GreekSpursfan

12-20-2019, 08:09 AM

possibly, Walker / White / Murray getting all minutes on pg/sg can be really competitive against any backcourt (defensively would be the best in the league, no doubt), but to be sure, it would be necessary to test.

I think Pop is trying to save them from failure because he thinks they are not ready(Walker, Murray that is). I agree that we need to see it and fast in order to know what player to choose in the draft.
From what i have seen thus far though, granted its a small sample size, i maintain the position that a Murray, White backcourt is not championship material going forward and i would throw Walker into that mix as well. Two injury prone players and another that is also coming of an injury and can't shoot.

UZER

12-20-2019, 09:14 PM

https://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Gregg_Popovich_says_Bryn_Forbes__will_give_it_a_go __vs._Thunder.jpg

https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/bng-l-warriors-0417-272.jpg?w=620

https://i.imgur.com/sSthMxB.jpg

:lol

ZeusWillJudge

12-20-2019, 09:32 PM

Bryn Forbes sucks. Called it from day 1.

Spoon was a legit star player on his college team and had big plays in the clutch. He's also a PG so his playmaking skills are way better. Add his physical abilities to that which makes him a better defender than Forbes ever will be. I see him as a combo guard who can come off the bench while being able to make plays on both ends. That's great value for a 2nd round pick

I followed Spoon in college. He's one of the guys I was pulling for the Spurs to draft. I've been sold on him for two years. I said when they drafted him that he could be a Forbes replacement. People screamed, but I still think so. His D is already much better than Forbes', and he's got a hell of a stroke. And, yeah, much better handles than Forbes ever had.

He's got a brother that I think is probably more talented than Quinn is. He had a little... discipline problem, and I don't know whether he will get his shit together or not. Talented family.

MultiTroll

12-26-2019, 01:01 PM

https://www.deepthoughtsbyjackhandey.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/dtfb.jpg

Bryn Forbes should not be a starter on the Spurs.

timvp

01-04-2020, 08:57 PM

https://media.giphy.com/media/rl0FOxdz7CcxO/source.gif

paperboy77

01-04-2020, 10:41 PM

Failing on the bench too.

slick'81

01-04-2020, 11:27 PM

The new banch mob-mills,forbes and belli:bang

FkLA

01-04-2020, 11:32 PM

:pop: I tried Lonnie on the road, against the best team in the league and he just didn't work. Bryn get back into your starting spot.

sasaint

01-04-2020, 11:44 PM

My (faint) hope is that some GM will see Davis' success after leaving the Spurs as the model, and he will be willing to trade for him, believing he can work a similar turnaround with Bryn that the Wiz worked with Davis. Insert praying dog gif.

paperboy77

01-04-2020, 11:45 PM

:pop: I tried Lonnie on the road, against the best team in the league and he just didn't work. Bryn get back into your starting spot.

Yeah.. exactly.

I can't recall such a frustrating season. I spend a shitload of money in some way shape or form on the Spurs. Definitely will have to reconsider after this season. Coach Pop.. you liberal POS!

timtonymanu

01-04-2020, 11:46 PM

:pop: I tried Lonnie on the road, against the best team in the league and he just didn't work. Bryn get back into your starting spot.

Sadly I see that happening

RC_Drunkford

01-05-2020, 09:09 AM

The new banch mob-mills,forbes and belli:bang

the -50 boys

NASpurs

01-06-2020, 08:46 PM

Master level troll after one game of Lonnie starting.

popthumbsup.jpg

timtonymanu

01-06-2020, 09:07 PM

:pop: I tried Lonnie on the road, against the best team in the league and he just didn't work. Bryn get back into your starting spot.

Fuck you, Pop!

RC_Drunkford

01-06-2020, 09:14 PM

Failed experiment :lol He's the future of the franchise

FkLA

01-06-2020, 11:00 PM

This fool is such an embarrassment. It's not even a slump, he just literally cant get his shot off. Fucking charity case is what he is.

RC_Drunkford

02-08-2020, 06:33 PM

so you call 131 out of 133 games an experiment?

TimDunkem

02-08-2020, 07:39 PM

so you call 131 out of 133 games an experiment?

An experiment in futility

slick'81

02-08-2020, 08:05 PM

Pop loves the lil fcker

venitian navigator

02-08-2020, 11:25 PM

In this nba Forbes could still have a little role as a shooter coming from the bench for a limited amount of time as a special unit when you just need 3 points...a role like the one Steve Kerr had in the past (but not in crunch time, because Kerr had some playmaking and defense in him, while Forbes dont). Using him like a starter is and has been just a bad idea. In a word, not enough offensive skills to compensate the lake of intelligence, talent and body that makes him an abysmal defensive player. What makes me think is how an always defensive oriented coach like Pop has not realized this...

ace3g

02-08-2020, 11:31 PM

25.3 minutes per game wasted....

monty4329

02-09-2020, 06:11 AM

He made 4 of the only 7 Spurs' 3s against the Kings. He's doing what he is supposed to do. Others don't, or can't.

To win games we need 3s. Only Patty has minutes and is shooting them. When LA did it we won games, now he decided he doesn't like them anymore. Everybody else clanks them or can't shoot them even when loosely guarded, on a pathetically static offense.

We can hate Bryn all day but he is doing his job.

dbestpro

02-09-2020, 07:17 AM

He gave twice the number points that he scored. There is more to the game than the three and he has been average at that. There is a reason people call him the cone.

boutons_deux

02-09-2020, 09:21 AM

We can hate Bryn all day but he is doing his job.

40%+ on 3Gs is a good offensive job, but ...

Trill Clinton

02-09-2020, 09:31 AM

The guy is trash.

talkspurs

02-09-2020, 10:14 AM

40%+ on 3Gs is a good offensive job, but ...

He is below 40% on 3s. I think you looked at his fg% at 40.5. his 3 is at 37.1. Murray who is not know as a 3 pt shooter is at 36.6 3pt% on the season. he does not shoot as much but he also does not play as much not have the green light forbes has.

Monty when you cherry pick games you can make him look good but overall he does not shoot well.

MultiTroll

02-09-2020, 10:20 AM

40%+ on 3Gs is a good offensive job, but ...
37% on treys.
40% overall.

Bryn Bryns efg% of 52% is not bad. When considering he does nothing else well on O and plays zero D the 52% efg is not impressive. At all.

tholdren

02-09-2020, 10:27 AM

He is below 40% on 3s. I think you looked at his fg% at 40.5. his 3 is at 37.1. Murray who is not know as a 3 pt shooter is at 36.6 3pt% on the season. he does not shoot as much but he also does not play as much not have the green light forbes has.

Monty when you cherry pick games you can make him look good but overall he does not shoot well.

Sigh. Hes a catch and shoot player. He has no pg. The spurs dont help on d. Your bias because of spurs losses makes you point to him, well because everyone else on spurstalk is doing it. Lma and gay are also terrible on defense, probably worse than.forbes, but since you dont recognize help defense basics, nor anyone else on this site, then you just blindly state trash with no analysis. Spurs aren't playing good enough defense overall with Bryn starting or not. Why dont you watch defensive rotation after all spurs get blown by, not just forbes.

monty4329

02-09-2020, 11:42 AM

Monty when you cherry pick games you can make him look good but overall he does not shoot well.

I'm not cherry picking. And I too think he is one of the worse starters.

He just is what he is, and he does what he is supposed to do. Which is shooting when slightly open, no matter if he makes them or not (i.e. Harden makes 36%). Today's NBA works like that, you need volume shooting to engage the defense and get second chance layups poiints. Nobody else is able/wants to do it. I blame DDR, LA more than Bryn. Even Gay should launch it every time he sees the rim.

Murray shoots 3s totally open, mostly from the corner, because the defense chooses so. That's a completely different thing.
BTW with more volume 3s, Murray would get so many offensive rebounds...

K...

02-09-2020, 11:52 AM

People also get mad at Forbes but Keldon can't shoot, Lonnie can't shoot. And is not like players today don't know what they have to do. That's why mr Instagram coughs up videos of him shooting in an empty gym. Those videos got him an extension

monty4329

02-09-2020, 12:11 PM

Sigh. Hes a catch and shoot player. He has no pg. The spurs dont help on d. Your bias because of spurs losses makes you point to him, well because everyone else on spurstalk is doing it. Lma and gay are also terrible on defense, probably worse than.forbes, but since you dont recognize help defense basics, nor anyone else on this site, then you just blindly state trash with no analysis. Spurs aren't playing good enough defense overall with Bryn starting or not. Why dont you watch defensive rotation after all spurs get blown by, not just forbes.

Thank god sometimes somebody mentions defensive rotations, help. But he's really too small for today's NBA. Really. Even on a perfect rotation he is eventually getting exposed. He's too small, sadly. In a sense he's like Beli, who in his mind never misses a rotation but has no legs to get there so offense just eats him alive.

duncan2k5

02-09-2020, 01:22 PM

It's not that Murray can't shoot... It's that he doesn't shoot... Ben Simmons can't shoot... Before this year, Fultz couldn't shoot... Murray hits jumpers every game and shoots a good percentage from 3... It's just that Pop Hass pussified him so much he only takes like 7 shots per game when he needs to be at about 15... Almost everytime he is aggressive offensively, we win

pad300

02-09-2020, 01:51 PM

Sigh. Hes a catch and shoot player. He has no pg. The spurs dont help on d. Your bias because of spurs losses makes you point to him, well because everyone else on spurstalk is doing it. Lma and gay are also terrible on defense, probably worse than.forbes, but since you dont recognize help defense basics, nor anyone else on this site, then you just blindly state trash with no analysis. Spurs aren't playing good enough defense overall with Bryn starting or not. Why dont you watch defensive rotation after all spurs get blown by, not just forbes.

Bullshit.

Pts/100 possessions against : 117.4 on court 109.8 off court. The worst defense in the league currently is Washington at 117.1. 117.4 would be the worst defense in the league. 109.8 would be the 14th in the league...

Mugen

02-09-2020, 02:02 PM

so you call 131 out of 133 games an experiment?

:lol

Floyd Pacquiao

02-09-2020, 02:04 PM

As long as he's starting or playing 3rd most minutes on the team in not watching this team anymore, it's a fucking disgrace.

Trill Clinton

02-09-2020, 02:34 PM

K...

02-09-2020, 03:33 PM

DJ has a total of 66 posts on IG. How is he Mr. IG with less than a 100 posts?

it's a joke on the forums, nothing to take seriously. but he did trick more than few people into predicting himself as the savior of the team this year, which he isn't now unless you believe in the pop slave master meme in which pop is depressing the stats of good players in favor of pets. I don't think murray is better than the scheme allows. I don't think he would be a volume shooter unitl he gains trust in his legs. This is different than bertans who is obliviously a volume shooter but never meshed with Pops defense first mentality.

I think pop is a traditionalist who favors defense at 3,4,5 but allows garbage at 2 and 1. This makes sense if you can only add so much talent. He took a no defense fathead and turned him into a defense first no offense PF/SF.

Finally who wants to predict that keldon makes murray tradeable next year? overlapping skill sets goes in favor of the cheaper contract.

Russ

08-04-2021, 12:55 AM

As I was saying . . .

Timvp has assembled an impressive case against Forbes but I'll push back a bit.

Most teams, good or bad, start a guard who is weak on D. It's kind of like having a starting pitcher who can't hit -- when comparing such pitchers, you don't talk about which pitcher hits worse (who really cares) you talk about who is the better pitcher. That's what they're paid to do and that's their value.

Forbes' value will be determined by his offensive performance -- especially on a team as desperate for three-point shooting as the Spurs. Take a look at Game 7 of the Denver series and then straight-face the claim that he hurts this team.

And if you want to evaluate weak defensive guards within a team defense (like the Spurs'), I would suggest you start with looking at how often that guard is out of position. Forbes holds up fairly well under that standard. For example, in both of the clips in the article, Forbes was between his man an the basket. Small praise but at least better than Lonnie Walker who often wanders around close to half court like he's playing a one-man zone against the Jumbotron. (And with Walker's offensive potential, he shouldn't be evaluated only on his defense either.) In short, staying in front of your man doesn't break down a team defense nearly as badly as completely losing your man does.

As far as attempting to extrapolate Forbes' defensive play by looking at team defense statistics when he's in, I think that's a reach. I'm not a fan of +/- analysis and such stats seem to be venturing dangerously into that territory. Believe your eyes -- Forbes seems to always hit a big three when the team most needs it, when the team is going bad. Those are statement shots that can affect the game much more than the same shot in a less critical situation.

Pop has taken a lot of heat here lately during this losing streak, some of it deserved. But when it comes to evaluating defense, I'll defer to him every day of the week. Pop absolutely will not play anyone who misses defensive assignments and yet he starts Forbes.

So is Forbes a defensive liability? Absolutely. Does he hurt the team as a starter? I think not.