Game Thread: Spurs @ Mavericks — Nov. 18, 2019 - 7:30 PM CT

[slick'81]

Lmfao

[TimDunkem]

I'm convinced Forbes is an idiot. Sure, he can't guard him, but stay up on him. You know he want's the 3....MORON.

[Slippy]

Forbes literally 2feet shorter. Luka with the free 3pointer. What a surprise

[Robz4000]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[212094ever]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[timvp]

The play out of the timeout was for no one to look to get the inbounds pass :tu

[james evans]

Do yall think that if half the team, outside of Belineli and Mills, went to the Holts and demanded that Popovich resign, would they do something?

[davidbowie]

i got a luka rookie card....nice shot champ!

[ElNono]

Another Poop inbound masterpiece :lol

[Leetonidas]

predictable ending. my future recap wasnt spot on but not that far off tbh :lol

[sasaint]

5 seconds. SMDH!

[Mugen]

Bwahahahhaha remember when timvp said that those end of game timeouts are critical instead of challenges

[bbarry]

Can't secure rebounds ✅ Stupid TOs ✅ Must be an L for the Spurs ✅

[Spurs fever]

Lottery

[TimDunkem]

This team just quit.

[Spurtacular]

Mavs had Doncic isolated on Mills but set a pick so Forbes would switch onto him. That's all you need to know about what opposing scouting reports are saying about Forbes :(

Most High School guards defend better than Forbes, tbh.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

MAYBE THE REASON POP DOESN’T PLAY DEJOUNTE AND WHITE TOGETHER IS BECAUSE THEY SUCK SEPARATELY MUCH LESS TOGETHER

[R. DeMurre]

ugh... classic low IQ ending.

[212094ever]

Some dumbfucks on this team

[r0drig0lac]

Do yall think that if half the team, outside of Belineli and Mills, went to the Holts and demanded that Popovich resign, would they do something?

:lol nice

[Mugen]

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssir! Mavs cover baby!!!!!!!!!

I fucking love end of game Pop and his end of game guys!!!!!!!

Let's fucking gooooooooooooooooo

[timtonymanu]

Fuck yes!!!

[ducks]

Pop needs a kick in his balls

[JPB]

You're not going anywhere with Mills as a primary option.

[TimDunkem]

Do yall think that if half the team, outside of Belineli and Mills, went to the Holts and demanded that Popovich resign, would they do something?

That's only half the problem. This team's ceiling is still a 9th place team.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Mavs had Doncic isolated on Mills but set a pick so Forbes would switch onto him. That's all you need to know about what opposing scouting reports are saying about Forbes :(


I saw that. People lining up to go against Forbes. That's what you said earlier - Even Patty is better than Forbes at guarding PG's.

[140]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[boutons_deux]

6 straight L

[Mugen]

holy fuck, imagine thinking that Pop's end of game playcalling is worth more than a challenge. :lmao:lmao

[ragas]

It‘s hillarious how the Spurs lose their games. Brain farts all over the place.

[JPB]

That game was def winnable.

[james evans]

They should have gone straight at Doncic and fouled that fucker out, but it wouldn't have been good sportsmanship.
He actually fouled forbes on his 3 pointer that the ref ignored.


Luka is a good player but he doesn't have handles. His crossover isn't as lethal as his shot. Put a great defender on him that gives him no space to create or dribble and he wouldn't be as productive. He's gonna be great though. If the Mavs make the playoffs this season and play the Clippers, he's gonna look average in that series. His step back is actually LEGAL(unlike Harden's) but if he already has space, there is nothing you can do about it. Plus guarding him with 6 footers isn't the answer either

[DavidTheGoliath]

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[sasaint]

Imagine if Carroll had played Belineli's minutes all season

FIFY

[R. DeMurre]

Watching DeRozan let Doncic dribble the clock out for the win tells you everything about this team. Before the game, Rick Carlisle probably thought "boy, it would sure would be great if Luka was guarded all night by Patty Mills, Bryn Forbes, and DeMar DeRozan.

[Mugen]

The best fucking part of tonight's L?

You won't see a fucking thing change on Wednesday :lmao

[SpurPadre]

If you go back to our Championship years and the whole TD era to Big 3 era, in general, we've had a knack for poor execution in closing minutes of games, tbh.

[ducks]

The play out of the timeout was for no one to look to get the inbounds pass :tu

Shut up it is just basketball pop

[timtonymanu]

Let’s get this losing streak to 10+, baby! Any game that heavily features Mills/beli/Forbes should never be rewarded with a win. Let’s hope it continues as long as Pop sticks to his rotations.

[davi78239]

Can’t wait to hear pops post game interviews

[ElNono]

This team has possibly the worst two sins of basketball:

- Undisciplined
- Can't execute for shit

From there, it's easy to derive why the offense is lackadaisical and the defense extremely poor.

[Mugen]

Imagine a coach so arrogant that he won't even touch his SL even though it's put his team in a huge hole in basically every game this season.

That's fucking hilarious tbh.

[spurs1990]

Doncic might be an MVP in this league and top player at one point.

[BillMc]

You know if Load Management hadn't tanked his value by a) saying he'd only re-sign in southern California and b) exaggerating/confusing his injury status we might have been able to get a high enough draft pick to get Luka. But the market stunk. Kawhi screwed us in so many ways.

[davi78239]

I’m rooting for the losing streak baby!

[timtonymanu]

The best fucking part of tonight's L?

You won't see a fucking thing change on Wednesday :lmao

:pop: we’re only losing by single digits lately. These guys are getting better, including Beli. More minutes for him on the way.

[sasaint]

The best fucking part of tonight's L?

You won't see a fucking thing change on Wednesday :lmao

Carroll might get a few more minutes, tbh.

[Larry O]

Gonna be a loooong season if this team keeps rolling the way it's rolling now...

[Kurgan]

Every loss makes me happy at this point just to see Pop's stupid ass lineups and rotations not working.

[SpurPadre]

The best fucking part of tonight's L?

You won't see a fucking thing change on Wednesday :lmao

:pop: Why should we? We outscored them after the 1st quarter.

[Mugen]

Carroll might get a few more minutes, tbh.

My man, do you even know who the coach is? :lol

[raybies]

it's sad but I think Lyles gets the axe from the starting lineup even though it should be Forbes.... Lyles played his role admirably. I wonder if Carrol is enough to solve the starting lineup

[timtonymanu]

Every loss makes me happy at this point just to see Pop's stupid ass lineups and rotations not working.

[Capt Bringdown]

There's no other coach in the NBA that would choose Patty as a closer.
Simulator crew to the max.

[sasaint]

My man, do you even know who the coach is? :lol

Hell, I was shocked to see him get minutes tonight. :lol

[Kurgan]

This team has possibly the worst two sins of basketball:

- Undisciplined
- Can't execute for shit

From there, it's easy to derive why the offense is lackadaisical and the defense extremely poor.

This is mainly because of poor roster construction and terrible coaching. All of which falls squarely at Pop's feet.

[james evans]

Another game where if it wasn’t for the first quarter deficit, this team could have taken the game. Clearly that starting 5 doesn’t work and it looks like Lyles is finally gonna be benched like he should have been.
Spotting teams a 15 point lead early must stop.

[UZER]

Derozan not fouling on that last play is all you need to know about his b-ball IQ and why I’ve said it doesn’t matter how many points he scores. But but but we wouldn’t have been in the game without him :cry.

Dude is a loser. He played hard, I’ll give him that, but he’s just a loser.

[KimmyGib]

Spurs get into an early hole, proceed to make a comeback, proceed to lose a close game. I'm starting to see a pattern here.

[james evans]

There's no other coach in the NBA that would choose Patty as a closer.
Simulator crew to the max.
There is no other coach in the world that would have Mills and Bellineli on the court at the same time in the 4th.

[Kurgan]

There's no other coach in the NBA that would choose Patty as a closer.
Simulator crew to the max.

It wasn't just the wombat tonight but Forbes too! Maybe next game he'll have all three of Patty, Bryn, and Marco closing.

[SpurPadre]

A big difference between good teams and us is that they have players top to bottom (be they a Center or guard) that can get a three pointer at ANY point in the game and shot clock while we have a player that can total 36 points, take 20 shots and not only are NONE of those points from three, but neither were any of those shot attempts from three. In today's game, that's baffling...and the worst 36 point game from a player you'll see this season.

[sasaint]

it's sad but I think Lyles gets the axe from the starting lineup even though it should be Forbes.... Lyles played his role admirably. I wonder if Carrol is enough to solve the starting lineup

I would like to see a SL of White, Mills, Carroll, Lyles, LMA. Second unit: Murray, Lonnie, Dumbmar (as long as he is here), Gay, Poodle.

[UZER]

There is no other coach in the world that would have Mills and Bellineli on the court at the same time in the 4th.

There’s no other coach that would have Mills and Bryn to close out the fourth, much less guarding Doncic to close out the fourth. :lol

[Kurgan]

Derozan not fouling on that last play is all you need to no about his b-ball IQ and why I’ve said it doesn’t matter how many points he scores. But but but we wouldn’t have been in the game without him :cry.

Dude is a loser. He played hard, I’ll give him that, but he’s just a loser.

Tonight's game is actually the opposite of Demar's previous chokejobs the past week. He was pretty much invisible in the final three minutes.

[Prime BEEF]

I’m rooting for the losing streak baby!
Same. Only thing that is interesting as a spurs fan right now.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Carrol should start

[KimmyGib]

Belinelli raising dat shooting average with an impressive 2/8

[Spurtacular]

He was clearly hammered. Obvious.

Hit; but shying away from the contact gave the ref the option to not call it.

[Capt Bringdown]

There’s no other coach that would have Mills and Bryn to close out the fourth, much less guarding Doncic to close out the fourth. :lol

https://lakers.newssurge.com/gallery/d/15324-1/phil+jackson+cracks+a+smile.jpg

[Prime BEEF]

I would like to see a SL of White, Mills, Carroll, Lyles, LMA. Second unit: Murray, Lonnie, Dumbmar (as long as he is here), Gay, Poodle.
Agreed. Sadly this is our best lineup.

[Chomag]

So yea...our shit stinks

[Capt Bringdown]

Tonight's game is actually the opposite of Demar's previous chokejobs the past week. He was pretty much invisible in the final three minutes.

Yup, after he got his shot blocked.

[SAGirl]

If you go back to our Championship years and the whole TD era to Big 3 era, in general, we've had a knack for poor execution in closing minutes of games, tbh.
Remember that time TD had a turnover at the end of the game and lost to Alba Berlin? Good times tbh. That I could really laugh about. This is something else.

[J_Paco]

A big difference between good teams and us is that they have players top to bottom (be they a Center or guard) that can get a three pointer at ANY point in the game and shot clock while we have a player that can total 36 points, take 20 shots and not only are NONE of those points from three, but neither were any of those shot attempts from three. In today's game, that's baffling...and the worst 36 point game from a player you'll see this season.

36 points on 20 shots is highly efficient, actually, but it doesn't help that all our good three-point shooters are terrible defenders. Plus, Murray and White have both not improved in that area of the floor enough.

Maybe, hopefully, Carroll breaks through and sees time over Marco or Bryn. Obviously, that isn't likely and Pop will just bench Lyles instead (who has been okay).

[Slippy]

Pop really has lost the plot. There was time when the game was tight pop would matchup defensively even just for 1 play. Now it's an unwavering faith for the all midget combo in Patty and Bryn.

[J_Paco]

https://lakers.newssurge.com/gallery/d/15324-1/phil+jackson+cracks+a+smile.jpg

Phil got swept off the floor during his last coaching stint, buddy. Get off his nuts.

[ElNono]

Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pop

Not now, always

[SpurPadre]

Remember that time TD had a turnover at the end of the game and lost to Alba Berlin? Good times tbh. That I could really laugh about. This is something else.

Or that game we gave McGrady the red carpet to score like a thousand points in the last minute of a game we should've won. Or Manu's foul. Or Danny Green's foul that caused TP to death stare his ass after Pop told him to STFU. Or Game 6 of course.We can go on really. But yes, this is worse because it is the worst team we've had since before TD came aboard.

[Kurgan]

Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pop

Not now, always

Pop prob still has nightmares coaching against him.

[SpurPadre]

36 points on 20 shots is highly efficient, actually, but it doesn't help that all our good three-point shooters are terrible defenders. Plus, Murray and White have both not improved in that area of the floor enough.

Maybe, hopefully, Carroll breaks through and sees time over Marco or Bryn. Obviously, that isn't likely and Pop will just bench Lyles instead (who has been okay).

I'm not saying it isn't efficient. I'm saying it's not SUFFICIENT, chiefly because the way the game relies on the three ball and the other reasons you've specified. Truth is, you'll be extremely hard-pressed to find another game this year outside of DeMar where the player will score 30+ and not at least attempt a three.

[Slippy]

Doncic might be an MVP in this league and top player at one point.

Honestly though it ain't true gauge of how good Luka is when you got the likes of Patty and Bryn guarding you.

[SAGirl]

Or that game we gave McGrady the red carpet to score like a thousand points in the last minute of a game we should've won. Or Manu's foul. Or Danny Green's foul that caused TP to death stare his ass after Pop told him to STFU. Or Game 6 of course.We can go on really. But yes, this is worse because it is the worst team we've had since before TD came aboard.
Lol some of those were very bitter. The alba Berlin was a joke.

But when the team wins a lot, if they don’t win every opportunity they get, it’s still bitter and “it hurts” and “gutless worms” Etc. but this is something else. If their best players are Bryn and Mills team is heading to the lottery. We agree.

[J_Paco]

Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pop

Not now, always

No shit, 12 championships > 5 championships.

Just saying, that without Jordan, Kobe or Shaq he could've looked just as "incompetent" as Pop. Great players do a lot to hide or mask the flaws of a coach.


Unfortunately, many of Pop's flaws are (dramatized here on ST) easier to notice and hard to accept without the Big 3 covering his ass. Playing a trio of Forbes, Belinelli & Patty makes no rational sense without elite talent for them to play off of.

Should be giving the young guard trio more time (or in Lonnie's case anytime), playing Carroll and trying Poeltl/Aldridge more against certain lineups. I like that he is going back to that pairing more the last two games.

Either play to win by giving Carroll more minutes, benching Belinelli, Forbes and/or Mills or run with the young players and start building/developing them for the future. This in - between shit is frustrating, sad & disappointing to watch (which I won't stop cause I love my team).

[Arcadian]

Of course Doncic had his career high against us. We're the best team for everyone to get their career high against.

This is one of the worst coached teams of all time. Generally I always put the blame on the players, but this team is always unprepared for the situation they're in, and they're always put in a position to maximize their chance of losing.

[Degoat]

Seeing lots of Peanut Gallery takes from you guys, the team is fighting out there, if we continually lose changes will be made, and if we win y’all will still bitch & moan lol

[boutons_deux]

Honestly though it ain't true gauge of how good Luka is when you got the likes of Patty and Bryn guarding you.

LD, 20 years old, is less than 1 AST/game short from AVERAGING a triple-double, has nothing to do with Spurs' defenseless midgets.

[Play Boban]

He likes chill fries...a lot.
How many 40 point triple dubs does Tammy have tbh?

[SpurPadre]

Of course Doncic had his career high against us. We're the best team for everyone to get their career high against.

This is one of the worst coached teams of all time. Generally I always put the blame on the players, but this team is always unprepared for the situation they're in, and they're always put in a position to maximize their chance of losing.

tbh, there's only so much you can do when you don't have the personnel. The problem isn't the coaching, it's the construction of the team...which IS Pop's fault even after Load Management set us back in the first place with his unethical bullshit.

[J_Paco]

I'm not saying it isn't efficient. I'm saying it's not SUFFICIENT, chiefly because the way the game relies on the three ball and the other reasons you've specified. Truth is, you'll be extremely hard-pressed to find another game this year outside of DeMar where the player will score 30+ and not at least attempt a three.

Agreed, trading two points for three will always be a recipe for a loss.

Unfortunately, it is a byproduct of who our two primary scorers are and how they get their points. Now, if we had better wing defenders (minus White/Murray who have both underwhelmed through 12 games) that could score off their penetration or team's sagging to stop both then we'd be in better shape. Right now, we lack enough volume three-point shooters (in the starting lineup) and our "wings" can't stop anyone.

Pop had to resort to putting Mills on Doncic for Pete's sake.

[objective]

Remember that time TD had a turnover at the end of the game and lost to Alba Berlin? Good times tbh. That I could really laugh about. This is something else.

That happened at least 2 more times that year if my memory is correct, Duncan turnovers passing inbounds at the end of games. At least one of the games was against Memphis that I think went triple overtime.

One of those things where I was left scratching my head over why Pop was continuing to go to it, didn't make sense.

[BatManu20]

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[timvp]

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[J_Paco]

Of course Doncic had his career high against us. We're the best team for everyone to get their career high against.

This is one of the worst coached teams of all time. Generally I always put the blame on the players, but this team is always unprepared for the situation they're in, and they're always put in a position to maximize their chance of losing.

Even though I understand your sentiment, and I actually agree with it in some ways, the hyperbole is strong with everything you said.

This is definitely the worst coaching stint (so far) of Pop's career, but I completely disagree of all-time. I could see if we had a top 10 player (like Anthony Davis in New Orleans or LeBron last year) & managed to be a lottery team. That would be unacceptable, but this is something else.

A coach that has an incredible track record that doesn't want to go out "rebuilding" or "tanking," but is making correctable errors that are losing his team games. Either make the corrections and (hopefully) have better outcomes or just be at peace with that fact that rebuild is needed (and here).....

[DPG21920]

The icing on the cake is just like the refs making some tough calls vs DeRozan, Finney hitting a fluky shot and the ball bouncing to Curry at the end is just enough for SA to focus on the “bad calls or bad luck” vs the real issues :lol

[Slippy]

LD, 20 years old, is less than 1 AST/game short from AVERAGING a triple-double, has nothing to do with Spurs' defenseless midgets.

Passing yes but comon every shot Luca took when they were guarding is basically an open shot. That last three on Bryn. They didn't even bother running a play to open him up. He simply walked over to Bryn and shot it over. We all knew it was going in . Pop for whatever reason throught Bryn would finally deliver on a stop for first time this season.

[timtonymanu]

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:pop: Same starting 5, more Beli/Mills, less Carroll/Walker

[J_Paco]

Passing yes but comon every shot Luca took when they were guarding is basically an open shot. That last three on Bryn. They didn't even bother running a play to open him up. He simply walked over to Bryn and shot it over. We all knew it was going in . Pop for whatever reason throught Bryn would finally deliver on a stop for first time this season.

Not defending the trio of defenseless guards, but White/Murray weren't doing themselves any favors tonight with their poor and uneven play. The team needs one or both to regain his confidence/swagger and stop with the piss-poor play.

And if you read LJ's article or seen Bryn play, then you know he has officially reached "Matt Bonner" levels (to paraphrase Rasheed Wallace, "A go at him") and opposing guards know Bryn on them is an automatic two or three points. Just like Marco......

[SpurPadre]

Agreed, trading two points for three will always be a recipe for a loss.

Unfortunately, it is a byproduct of who our two primary scorers are and how they get their points. Now, if we had better wing defenders (minus White/Murray who have both overwhelmed through 12 games) that could score off their penetration or team's sagging to stop both then we'd be in better shape. Right now, we lack enough volume three-point shooters (in the starting lineup) and our "wings" can't stop anyone.

Pop had to resort to putting Mills on Doncic for Pete's sake.

Also agreed. Going back to DeRozan's lack of being a three point threat, it is exacerbated by games like tonight when you need a three but can't go to him when you need that 3 point bucket to at least take the game to OT. Never mind that he's dropped 36, you just can't go to him down 3-5 points because the three point shot terrifies him. Imagine that. The hottest guy on the floor but you can't rely on him. Instead, we have to rely on role players in Mills and Forbes to take those shots who aren't good enough to make big game shots like that. To make matters worse, they need to stay on the floor and "defend" on the other end. It's a domino effect of mediocrity that exposes a poorly constructed team. It's still mostly Leonard's fault but PATFO aren't doing themselves any favors right now.

[objective]

White's swagger was jacked by Pop.

Spurs don't make the playoffs without White stepping up. And it took him awhile to get going, something like 25 games or so of unremarkable decent play before the switch flipped.

Has incredible playoff games before some struggles then gets benched for a horrible shooting Mills the last what, 18 minutes of a game 7?

Comes into this season. Loses his starting job to Murray sight unseen. Not even given the chance to compete for the other starting backcourt spot. Has his minutes artificially limited to whatever minutes Murray's on the bench.

If the goal was to ruin White, this was a good plan to do it.

[BlackAndWhite]

Also agreed. Going back to DeRozan's lack of being a three point threat, it is exacerbated by games like tonight when you need a three but can't go to him when you need that 3 point bucket to at least take the game to OT. Never mind that he's dropped 36, you just can't go to him down 3-5 points because the three point shot terrifies him. Imagine that. The hottest guy on the floor but you can't rely on him. Instead, we have to rely on role players in Mills and Forbes to take those shots who aren't good enough to make big game shots like that. To make matters worse, they need to stay on the floor and "defend" on the other end. It's a domino effect of mediocrity that exposes a poorly constructed team. It's still mostly Leonard's fault but PATFO aren't doing themselves any favors right now.
It’s really frustrating. Even though he’s not a excellent 3 point shooter, I think can shot well enough to take a few a game. I think he’s refusing out of principle rather due to inability

[SpurPadre]

It’s really frustrating. Even though he’s not a excellent 3 point shooter, I think can shot well enough to take a few a game. I think he’s refusing out of principle rather due to inability

It's really mind-boggling how he refuses to take threes. It shows a lack of courage in a certain aspect of his game that you know all opposing coaches and teams have picked up on.

[BlackAndWhite]

I don't think it's a lack of courage. I have a feeling it's a act of defiance as he wants to show he can win without the 3. There's no reason he can't shoot a few and make them at a better rate than Marco or some other scrubs spurs have

[gambit1990]

demar's 3PAs is inexcusable. it's almost like a coach should talk to him about that...

[TimmyBuckets]

This. Team. Is. Trash.

[BlackAndWhite]

A worse version of it nearly won 50 games last year. It's not the team but the incompetent senile coaching

[LakerHater]

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[Slippy]

I don't think it's a lack of courage. I have a feeling it's a act of defiance as he wants to show he can win without the 3. There's no reason he can't shoot a few and make them at a better rate than Marco or some other scrubs spurs have

Pop said in the offseason Demar needs to work on his three so what did this career loser do. Go watch tape of Andre Miller and work off the post. Haha

[ace3g]

There was a point in the game I was asking myself "Are the Spurs really that bad that the Mavs can throw Kenny Smith out there????"

[RC_Drunkford]

Didn't even bother to watch. We all knew it will be more of the same

[Fireball]

seeing Mills and Forbes on Luka in the last minutes of the game was priceless ...

but really, our two young guards need to get their heads out of their asses ...

[tbdog]

It would be nice if we actually start a game well. It feels like 5 games in a row we were down 15+ early. At some point you have to change the starting lineup. Also Carroll showed he can start and defend. He still looks lost but I have to assume it would do better than our current starts. And at some point you have to not play Beli.

[r0drig0lac]

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jokes and ironies only work when you're winning, in which case it's pathetic.

[dbreiden83080]

DD scoring 36 on 14/20 and still losing is uh well..

Concerning..

I know he is not the same all around player, but how many games did TD score over 30 at that percentage and we lost?

[LittleCriminal]

Doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't matter how much ST agrees or disagrees with each other. Pop disagrees with all of us. Pop likes his current lineup and gonna stick with it.

Carroll can't even get in during garbage time. He is nowhere near splitting time with Gay.

Like nobody on this site with a functional brain knows this already..

[Capt Bringdown]

White's swagger was jacked by Pop.

Spurs don't make the playoffs without White stepping up. And it took him awhile to get going, something like 25 games or so of unremarkable decent play before the switch flipped.

Has incredible playoff games before some struggles then gets benched for a horrible shooting Mills the last what, 18 minutes of a game 7?

Comes into this season. Loses his starting job to Murray sight unseen. Not even given the chance to compete for the other starting backcourt spot. Has his minutes artificially limited to whatever minutes Murray's on the bench.

If the goal was to ruin White, this was a good plan to do it.

Agreed. White would be better off playing elsewhere.

[Texas_Ranger]

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great job doing it to a guy with 5 fouls.

All I wanna know is how are Murray and White such good defenders when they are getting raped so bad.

Also loved the Mills on Luka stuff. If Doncic wanted to go for 60 he'd demand the ball in the post and fuck the midget everytime.

[R. DeMurre]

The Mavs outscored the Spurs 51-24 from three, and that's the game. Rick Carlisle doesn't care one bit that DeRozan was 14-20 from the field, as long as he refuses to shoot threes and continues to clog the offense and take shots away from three point shooters who are only in the game because of their shooting, and who are being assigned to defend a 6'7" Luka Doncic... these are defenders who are mediocre against PGs and SGs-- against a super versatile 6'7" SF, they have no chance at all. Sorry to keep beating a dead horse, but this is the problem with DeRozan, and why his advanced stats over ten years show him to be an average player. Even in a game where he earns an A+ grade from a very knowledgable critic and he does everything he wants to do, his style of play is still one of the major factors in a loss.

[UZER]

The Spurs / Pop are just running into the new NBA every night. The antiquated system cannot keep up with the new style.

The Spurs look like the slower team on the court every...single...night.

[UZER]

The Mavs outscored the Spurs 51-24 from three, and that's the game. Rick Carlisle doesn't care one bit that DeRozan was 14-20 from the field, as long as he refuses to shoot threes and continues to clog the offense and take shots away from three point shooters who are only in the game because of their shooting, and who are being assigned to defend a 6'7" Luka Doncic... these are defenders who are mediocre against PGs and SGs-- against a super versatile 6'7" SF, they have no chance at all. Sorry to keep beating a dead horse, but this is the problem with DeRozan, and why his advanced stats over ten years show him to be an average player. Even in a game where he earns an A+ grade from a very knowledgable critic and he does everything he wants to do, his style of play is still one of the major factors in a loss.

Good stuff. This belongs in the Get Derozan Off This Team thread.

[sasaint]

Like nobody on this site with a functional brain knows this already..

I wasn’t really trying to single you out. Just seems ironic to me that of all the differences of opinion here on ST, Craterface the Stubborn manages to disagree with all of us. We all agree SOMETHING must change - all except Pop.

[sasaint]

The Mavs outscored the Spurs 51-24 from three, and that's the game. Rick Carlisle doesn't care one bit that DeRozan was 14-20 from the field, as long as he refuses to shoot threes and continues to clog the offense and take shots away from three point shooters who are only in the game because of their shooting, and who are being assigned to defend a 6'7" Luka Doncic... these are defenders who are mediocre against PGs and SGs-- against a super versatile 6'7" SF, they have no chance at all. Sorry to keep beating a dead horse, but this is the problem with DeRozan, and why his advanced stats over ten years show him to be an average player. Even in a game where he earns an A+ grade from a very knowledgable critic and he does everything he wants to do, his style of play is still one of the major factors in a loss.

Yep. Exactly. Well said. Every one of our opponents shoots a high volume and percentage on the 3-ball. Let the silly Spurs make a bunch of 2s - so what?

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

Playing Demarre Carroll for actual minutes felt like a victory.

[KDKSpurs24]

Playing Demarre Carroll for actual minutes felt like a victory.

[Jules_Winnfield]

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[r0drig0lac]

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[emanueldavidginobili]

White's swagger was jacked by Pop.

Spurs don't make the playoffs without White stepping up. And it took him awhile to get going, something like 25 games or so of unremarkable decent play before the switch flipped.

Has incredible playoff games before some struggles then gets benched for a horrible shooting Mills the last what, 18 minutes of a game 7?

Comes into this season. Loses his starting job to Murray sight unseen. Not even given the chance to compete for the other starting backcourt spot. Has his minutes artificially limited to whatever minutes Murray's on the bench.

If the goal was to ruin White, this was a good plan to do it.
If you let a withering away 70 year old jack your swagger you’re mentally weak haha no but really,

Derrick simply needs to nut the fuck up. The man is 25 years old it’s not like he’s some 20 year old or something.

His whole basketball career people have been doubting him and he’s been proving people wrong so this shouldn’t be anything new to him. He just needs to take advantage of every second he gets out there and not be passive/timid. We all have seen what he’s capable of but regardless of him not starting and getting yanked for this or that he hasn’t performed the way he can with the minutes he has been getting.

Shot attempts for the bench during the six game losing streak; Patty Mills 60, Rudy Gay 52, Derrick White 40, Marco Belinelli 37, Jakob Poeltl 32. In having played 22 more minutes than Patty over the last 6 games he’s taken 20 less shots than him and only 3 more than Marco has in 44 more minutes.

I personally think Pops lost it and deserves pretty much everything going wrong with this team but I’m not about to blame him for this. He just needs to go out there and act like he belongs. Because right now he’s just another player out there.

[TimDunkem]

If you let a withering away 70 year old jack your swagger you’re mentally weak haha no but really,

Derrick simply needs to nut the fuck up. The man is 25 years old it’s not like he’s some 20 year old or something.

His whole basketball career people have been doubting him and he’s been proving people wrong so this shouldn’t be anything new to him. He just needs to take advantage of every second he gets out there and not be passive/timid. We all have seen what he’s capable of but regardless of him not starting and getting yanked for this or that he hasn’t performed the way he can with the minutes he has been getting.

Shot attempts for the bench during the six game losing streak; Patty Mills 60, Rudy Gay 52, Derrick White 40, Marco Belinelli 37, Jakob Poeltl 32. In having played 22 more minutes than Patty over the last 6 games he’s taken 20 less shots than him and only 3 more than Marco has in 44 more minutes.

I personally think Pops lost it and deserves pretty much everything going wrong with this team but I’m not about to blame him for this. He just needs to go out there and act like he belongs. Because right now he’s just another player out there.

Cot damn truth bomb. White is getting a lot of excuses lately. It isn't all Pop when White can barely stay on his feet and isn't aggressive, or can't make a shot.

[Capt Bringdown]

https://streamable.com/gfqzr

Two teams going in different directions.