Murray's growth

[duncan2k5]

I honestly think that LMA and DDR are holding him back from being as good as he can be because their playstyle doesn't promote ball movement, and they aren't good options to run with on a break...

But the largest reason is because Murray simply defers to them while on the court because of their temperament... That's why young Parker and ginobili could grow into the players they are... Duncan never pouted or got depressed when someone else was the focus... He still played elite defense and did anything to win

So Murray is very capable of pushing the envelope and being super aggressive... But at the moment he is hell-bent on appeasing them... What he doesn't realize is that's how u can get the average or scrub label quick

Trade those guys and have a team around Murray that will fit into this era... Guys that won't get in their feelings when Murray takes over games and is seen as the man in San Antonio...

[duncan2k5]

Sometimes when u have a promising player... U have to build around then to unleash their true potential... It is happening right now with LaMar Jackson in the NFL...

It happened with Giannis... If Nash stayed Dallas, he would have ended his career as a decent point guard... He went into a situation where the team was built around him, and he ended up a hall of famer...

DJ is our most promising player... Let's build around him... It's clear LMA and DDR won't take us past the first round... Let's stop wasting time... (I hope Pop doesn't see this, or he will extend the both of them)

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

They're not the reason he passes wide open shots and can't hit a J. The whole starting line-up is putting everyone in a difficult position but let's not make excuses where there's no need.

Murray has to improve his PnR play, general playmaking, aggression, transition offense, limit careless turnovers and learn to drive and kick. At least a few of those before he can lead anyone to anything. Hopefully he can improve and become a star, but it's up to him. No one is holding him back.

[duncan2k5]

They're not the reason he passes wide open shots and can't hit a J. The whole starting line-up is putting everyone in a difficult position but let's not make excuses where there's no need.

Murray has to improve his PnR play, general playmaking, aggression, transition offense, limit careless turnovers and learn to drive and kick. At least a few of those before he can lead anyone to anything. Hopefully he can improve and become a star, but it's up to him. No one is holding him back.

Huh? A team can't hold back a player from fulfilling their potential? Lmfao! Ok... First off... Wrong... Like I said there are tons of players who got better when they had a different situation around them... Oladipo is another one... Murray can get a better shot, but we aren't putting him in a position to maximize the things that he CAN do decently... His lack of aggression has to do with him not wanting to play with two emotional dudes who get in their feelings and can't function on a basketball court when they don't get the ball

[SpursRussia]

They're not the reason he passes wide open shots and can't hit a J. The whole starting line-up is putting everyone in a difficult position but let's not make excuses where there's no need.

Murray has to improve his PnR play, general playmaking, aggression, transition offense, limit careless turnovers and learn to drive and kick. At least a few of those before he can lead anyone to anything. Hopefully he can improve and become a star, but it's up to him. No one is holding him back.

This, Murray just lacks skillset and that doesn't have any relation to DDR or LMA, stop trying to bail him out

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Huh? A team can't hold back a player from fulfilling their potential? Lmfao! Ok... First off... Wrong... Like I said there are tons of players who got better when they had a different situation around them... Oladipo is another one... Murray can get a better shot, but we aren't putting him in a position to maximize the things that he CAN do decently... His lack of aggression has to do with him not wanting to play with two emotional dudes who get in their feelings and can't function on a basketball court when they don't get the ball

Well he sure ain't doing a good job of giving them the ball in good positions, or playmaking, or running the PnR, or providing spacing, or ...

[duncan2k5]

I find it funny how u guys love to give the coaches credit for players becoming really good, but say it's only the players fault when they aren't... If u can acknowledge coaches can affect them positively, you have to admit they can affect them negatively

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I find it funny how u guys love to give the coaches credit for players becoming really good, but say it's only the players fault when they aren't... If u can acknowledge coaches can affect them positively, you have to admit they can affect them negatively

It's discussed a million times how the starting line-up doesn't work so it's not like coaching isn't criticized. Same for weird rotations and stuff. Regardless if it's player development or being in a position to succeed it's a two-way street - coaching and player. Don't bail a player out. Perhaps coaches believed in his supposedly improved jump shot that's nowhere to be seen? Murray lacks a lot of skills currently. He doesn't need to be absolved of responsibility.

[duncan2k5]

It's discussed a million times how the starting line-up doesn't work so it's not like coaching isn't criticized. Same for weird rotations and stuff. Regardless if it's player development or being in a position to succeed it's a two-way street - coaching and player. Don't bail a player out. Perhaps coaches believed in his supposedly improved jump shot that's nowhere to be seen? Murray lacks a lot of skills currently. He doesn't need to be absolved of responsibility.

Until then, why keep him in a position where he can't operate with his current skill set? That way we can actually be winning while our young players grow instead of losing while they are stunted

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Until then, why keep him in a position where he can't operate with his current skill set? That way we can actually be winning while our young players grow instead of losing while they are stunted

Probably because he's as much a part of the starting 5 problem as everyone else and shouldn't be pampered, but instead should work to improve his game, which he desperately needs to do.

[duncan2k5]

Probably because he's as much a part of the starting 5 problem as everyone else and shouldn't be pampered, but instead should work to improve his game, which he desperately needs to do.

By all metrics, Murray is one of our best players... He definitely isn't the problem with the starting 5...LMFAO! matter if fact, he is the best player in the starting 5

[duncan2k5]

That's like saying Giannis can't shoot, so let's not build a team around him until he learns to shoot... Lmfao! You ppl are golden

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

This is a good debate. Murray started off the first few games playing fantastically well. I hope he didn’t drop off because he just got his extension. I put the issue more with Demar because at least I have seen Lamarcus play well around others on the Spurs team.

I think the larger issue is that no one knows who the leader of the team is. I think Murray is starting over white because Pop likes his attitude and sees him more of a leader than White. But the team seems to follow Demar’s lead, or lack there of too often, and I think that is the problem, even more than Forbes being an advanced-statistics mediocre player.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

By all metrics, Murray is one of our best players... He definitely isn't the problem with the starting 5...LMFAO! matter if fact, he is the best player in the starting 5

By which metrics is he the best player in the starting five then?

[TheGoatishere]

Agreed Murray would excel on a fast pace team with other athletes

[duncan2k5]

By which metrics is he the best player in the starting five then?

Who is, if not Murray?

[twincam]

I like him, but he cannot finish at the bucket. He needs to control his attacks at the rim.

[duncan2k5]

I like him, but he cannot finish at the bucket. He needs to control his attacks at the rim.

Pointing out the flaws in a 22 year old doesn't mean that he doesn't have the potential to be great, and that the team should build around him... If the ravens had yall mentality, Lamar Jackson wouldn't be an MVP candidate... U can't shove a pegbinto a square hole and be mad at the peg

[KobesAchilles]

Dude needs to shoot jumpers. I don’t care if he misses them tbh. Kobe missed thousands. But he needs to take them

I think it’s LMA that needs to go for DJ to blossom. Hypothetically DDR could play uptempo and could get Murray open shots by driving and kicking. LMA does nothing for Murray. Pop needs to stagger more minutes of LMA and White together.

[tholdren]

He's a pg without any legitimate pg skills. He has no feel for the game. It's as awkward as watching derozan run the show

[Play Boban]

-21 tonight. Scrub.

[sasaint]

He's a pg without any legitimate pg skills. He has no feel for the game. It's as awkward as watching derozan run the show

Just an ironic way of saying he is no PG.

[tholdren]

Just an ironic way of saying he is no PG.

Brogdon

[sasaint]

Brogdon

Haha! Now I am triggered!

[Capt Bringdown]

He's a pg without any legitimate pg skills. He has no feel for the game. It's as awkward as watching derozan run the show

Agreed. Not impressed. Too bad the Spurs bet the farm on this guy.

[Spurs fever]

I agree.

[UZER]

I’m disappointed in Murray too, but I can’t put any stock into anything that is happening right now under Pop. It’s all just such a mess.

[Capt Bringdown]

I’m disappointed in Murray too, but I can’t put any stock into anything that is happening right now under Pop. It’s all just such a mess.

It starts and ends with the roster. That seems pretty obvious at this point. Yet there's a notion that playing Lonnie Walker will make a difference, LOL.
When spazz-child Walker is your savior you've got nowhere else to go but down, down, down.

[J_Paco]

It starts and ends with the roster. That seems pretty obvious at this point. Yet there's a notion that playing Lonnie Walker will make a difference, LOL.
When spazz-child Walker is your savior you've got nowhere else to go but down, down, down.

There isn't any "saviour" on the roster or in the pipeline. The issue is people want to see him either sink or swim on the court instead of watching Marco throw up bricks and play terrible defense.

The kid might not be ready, but we won't find out unless he's given even token minutes to try. What point is it in drafting all these "steals" in the draft if they lose out on opportunities because of washed up vets (Marco) or low ceiling, overachieving types (Bryn)?

[HarlemHeat37]

It's scary that Dejounte Murray is supposed to be the bright spot for the future for this team:lol. His ceiling is an elite role player, at best(which is great considering where he was drafted).

Hopefully the Spurs find some real talent in the lottery this year, somebody to build around.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

It's scary that Dejounte Murray is supposed to be the bright spot for the future for this team:lol. His ceiling is an elite role player, at best(which is great considering where he was drafted).

Hopefully the Spurs find some real talent in the lottery this year, somebody to build around.

Harlem heat sighting :wow :tu

[duncan2k5]

I'm not sure if u guys are accustomed to watching basketball... The dude is a young player... Even vets make silly mistakes... He simply isn't being put in a position to thrive... That's not on him... Do u expect him to be perfect every game? No! Some games he will be trash... Even prime Timmy had games where he was trash... It happens... But the objective is to build a system around ur most promising player... We aren't doing that, but expect Murray to show us greatness

[cd98]

I honestly think Murray isn't that good. I mean, he's NBA level talent. But he's no superstar. I don't know if he is a point guard in the NBA, though. Sure, he has the physical tools to be a good defender and rebounder for his size, but he's either a shooting guard that can't shoot or a point guard that can't pass. He's certainly not someone to build around and he will never be an all-star. He's serviceable, but the Spurs need to infuse with lottery talent.

[duncan2k5]

I honestly think Murray isn't that good. I mean, he's NBA level talent. But he's no superstar. I don't know if he is a point guard in the NBA, though. Sure, he has the physical tools to be a good defender and rebounder for his size, but he's either a shooting guard that can't shoot or a point guard that can't pass. He's certainly not someone to build around and he will never be an all-star. He's serviceable, but the Spurs need to infuse with lottery talent.

Funny how ppl said the same thing about Oladipo until he was put in a position where he could thrive

[cd98]

Funny how ppl said the same thing about Oladipo until he was put in a position where he could thrive

Oladipo showed more than Murray. Oladipo was a lottery pick. Murray struggles to make the right pass on a fast break. That's point guard 101. I don't know if I ever saw Parker turn the ball over on a fast break.

[duncan2k5]

Oladipo showed more than Murray. Oladipo was a lottery pick. Murray struggles to make the right pass on a fast break. That's point guard 101. I don't know if I ever saw Parker turn the ball over on a fast break.

U haven't watched much spurs basketball if u have never seen Parker turn it over on a break... And is that the standard for all of our point guards? A hall of fame? So any PG not as good as Parker isn't good enough? Oladipo was considered a bust... Ppl though he would never be an all star

[J_Paco]

It's scary that Dejounte Murray is supposed to be the bright spot for the future for this team:lol. His ceiling is an elite role player, at best(which is great considering where he was drafted).

Hopefully the Spurs find some real talent in the lottery this year, somebody to build around.

Couldn't you say those exact things about all the lottery bound teams (minus Portland if they don't have a turnaround)?

I don't think anyone is under the illusion that our current group of young players are destined for the HOF, except for FKLA and his hard - on for White.

They are good building blocks or complimentary pieces if they develop and are cultivated properly. The team will obviously need to find one or two superstar level players for these young guys to play off of.

He currently isn't on the team....

[DaBears]

Agreed. Not impressed. Too bad the Spurs bet the farm on this guy.

Too me he is your proto-typical pickup game/street baller .. He would 1st picked when picking teams. I hope i am wrong, but i think he for the most part has already reached his ceiling..
We forget he has been in the league now for 3 seasons. Most analysts say players are who they are by there 3rd yr in the league.

[Chinook]

Doesn't help that D2K5 keeps lying about DJM's age to justify him still being a prospect.

[Maddog]

They're not the reason he passes wide open shots and can't hit a J. The whole starting line-up is putting everyone in a difficult position but let's not make excuses where there's no need.

Murray has to improve his PnR play, general playmaking, aggression, transition offense, limit careless turnovers and learn to drive and kick. At least a few of those before he can lead anyone to anything. Hopefully he can improve and become a star, but it's up to him. No one is holding him back.


He's a pg without any legitimate pg skills. He has no feel for the game. It's as awkward as watching derozan run the show

While I thinks way too early to draw conclusions on a 22 year old coming off a year out from injury there are some concerning signs, Jump-shot still looks wonky, and obvious feel for the game.
He reminds me a bit of Antonio Daniels- never quite got the point guard thing
I'm not sure you can really make some one into a point guard by the time they become a pro. Maybe Tony was an exception, but he always had good instincts form the beginning.

Not ready to give up, but concerned.

[Cklbmk]

This forum is so toxic

[Sugus]

Too me he is your proto-typical pickup game/street baller .. He would 1st picked when picking teams. I hope i am wrong, but i think he for the most part has already reached his ceiling..
We forget he has been in the league now for 3 seasons. Most analysts say players are who they are by there 3rd yr in the league.

My god, the comments you gotta read. 23yo already reached his ceiling, lol. Counts 3y in the league when an entire one was lost to injury. Are we seriously pretending DJ in his current form, not even 15 games back into pro basketball after being removed from the court for so long, is a finished product? What's that about players "being who they are" lol? Siakam, Giannis and so many other players would like a word.... Not to mention players who reshape their game later on in their careers like Blake Griffin, previous non-shooter turned serious threat from deep. Just awful comment all around.

[DPG21920]

Spurs have win-now youth. Not meaning a title, but in terms of blowing it up, if you get a top pick for a year or two, they should not be some bottom dweller for too long because the talent is young enough (not prospects, but young) and talented enough to win some games with an infusion of real prospects and some key free agents.

Going to have to build the team more modern with lots of switch ability and faster paced with shooting.

[acoelho1]

I still see stardom in Murray’s future. He’s had spurts where he’s looked electric with his speed and length. He’s not a finished product so a little patience is needed.

[duncan2k5]

Too me he is your proto-typical pickup game/street baller .. He would 1st picked when picking teams. I hope i am wrong, but i think he for the most part has already reached his ceiling..
We forget he has been in the league now for 3 seasons. Most analysts say players are who they are by there 3rd yr in the league.

He didn't play and entire season... He barely played in the ones where he was healthy

[HarlemHeat37]

Couldn't you say those exact things about all the lottery bound teams (minus Portland if they don't have a turnaround)?

I don't think anyone is under the illusion that our current group of young players are destined for the HOF, except for FKLA and his hard - on for White.

They are good building blocks or complimentary pieces if they develop and are cultivated properly. The team will obviously need to find one or two superstar level players for these young guys to play off of.

He currently isn't on the team....

Don't think so. In the West, I'd take Ja Morant/Jackson, Zion, SGA, etc over Murray and it's not even close. The Warriors are going to bottom-out and add a top 5 pick to Curry/Klay, as well.

Again, not an indictment on the Spurs, the teams I mentioned were picking high in the lottery or blowing their team up, so they had a better opportunity to acquire prospects with higher upside.

This season is crucial for the Spurs to get a high lottery pick, but the roster isn't bad enough for that(unless they blow it up) IMO.

Hopefully Murray focuses on being a super role player/4th best player utility guy like a guard version of Draymond, etc.

[DaBears]

My god, the comments you gotta read. 23yo already reached his ceiling, lol. Counts 3y in the league when an entire one was lost to injury. Are we seriously pretending DJ in his current form, not even 15 games back into pro basketball after being removed from the court for so long, is a finished product? What's that about players "being who they are" lol? Siakam, Giannis and so many other players would like a word.... Not to mention players who reshape their game later on in their careers like Blake Griffin, previous non-shooter turned serious threat from deep. Just awful comment all around.

Okay following your reasoning and mine, How much time(seasons gone by before you say he reached his ceiling)?

[DaBears]

He didn't play and entire season... He barely played in the ones where he was healthy

I pose the same question to you..

How much time(seasons gone by before you say he reached his ceiling)? -- I said year 3

[DPG21920]

Don't think so. In the West, I'd take Ja Morant/Jackson, Zion, SGA, etc over Murray and it's not even close. The Warriors are going to bottom-out and add a top 5 pick to Curry/Klay, as well.

Again, not an indictment on the Spurs, the teams I mentioned were picking high in the lottery or blowing their team up, so they had a better opportunity to acquire prospects with higher upside.

This season is crucial for the Spurs to get a high lottery pick, but the roster isn't bad enough for that(unless they blow it up) IMO.

Hopefully Murray focuses on being a super role player/4th best player utility guy like a guard version of Draymond, etc.

I think that is an apt description for Murray and would be huge. You have to land a Curry/Harden through the draft, but if you already have a Draymond (Murray) and other good pieces (White and hopefully Lonnie) you can be a competitive team. But in order to be a legit contender you have to likely get multiple top 10 picks, nail them all and/or have someone like Bron bail your a**out like he did LA.

[Chinook]

This forum is so toxic

It is pretty toxic sometimes, but having been a member of here and RealGM for years, I'm taking this place over that easily. I'd much rather have to ignore assholes and trolls than be forced to obey stupid rules and conventions. An ignore list goes a long way here, but there's no such out for the shit there.

[TD 21]

Spurs have win-now youth. Not meaning a title, but in terms of blowing it up, if you get a top pick for a year or two, they should not be some bottom dweller for too long because the talent is young enough (not prospects, but young) and talented enough to win some games with an infusion of real prospects and some key free agents.

Going to have to build the team more modern with lots of switch ability and faster paced with shooting.

Granted, it hasn't been put in the best position and the most promising of it hasn't been given a chance period, but Spurs fan overrate the youth.

There isn't a single sure fire core building block, let alone centerpiece. Look around at most average - bad teams, almost all have better pieces.

Most seem excited about Murray, but the reality is his metrics read like that of a role playing center. In terms of the things a point guard needs to excel at to be a star, he's not a natural at one and even with some improvement, is still below average at them.

If and when this team ends up with a high pick, they need to avoid the mistake of thinking they're set at any particular position or that a specific one is the biggest need and realize that biggest need is high end talent period.

[duncan2k5]

I pose the same question to you..

How much time(seasons gone by before you say he reached his ceiling)? -- I said year 3

It's not about years... It's about his role... He barely played... If he doesn't show ANY growth two full years as a starter, he will be 25...and then I will throw in the towel... But I find it hard to believe that Murray will be worse than a white is right now when he reaches 25...i think Murray is better than white right now... The numbers and the eye test back me up... The chart going around on here shows Murray provides just as much offensive production, while being our best defender

[DPG21920]

Granted, it hasn't been put in the best position and the most promising of it hasn't been given a chance period, but Spurs fan overrate the youth.

There isn't a single sure fire core building block, let alone centerpiece. Look around at most average - bad teams, almost all have better pieces.

Most seem excited about Murray, but the reality is his metrics read like that of a role playing center. In terms of the things a point guard needs to excel at to be a star, he's not a natural at one and even with some improvement, is still below average at them.

If and when this team ends up with a high pick, they need to avoid the mistake of thinking they're set at any particular position or that a specific one is the biggest need and realize that biggest need is high end talent period.

I agree with the last part; there is no youth so good on SA that if you land a top pick and the surefire best player plays their position that you pass on them because of the current youth.

[Mikeanaro]

:lmao Not even a PG
:lmao Insta-balla
:lmao fam

[Sugus]

Okay following your reasoning and mine, How much time(seasons gone by before you say he reached his ceiling)?

At least until he enters his prime. Most basketball players are usually on their best combination of mental maturity and physicality at around 28-29, but I'd say around 25 or 26 you could have a more definite idea of what he's going to turn out at. Especially for a player who missed his sophomore season injured, not being able to work on his game for the most part... You can see he still feels "awkward" on the court, causing a lot of his mistakes. I especially trust in his jumper, he has the mentality and basic form to be a decent-to-great shooter (with *a lot* of hard work), which would elevate his game.

I just don't understand how you can see Dejounte be 2 rebounds away from a triple-double in his, what was it, fifth game back from injury? And really think that, at 23, he can grow no further. Reminds me of people saying Doncic had peaked in Europe, before entering the league... Eating their words now. DJ's contract runs up at 27 iirc, so we'll be able to give him another contract knowing the kind of player he'll be.

[GAustex]

Murray needs settle down and to consistently take and make 15’ or so jumpers off the pick and roll action and standing 3 pointer both at respectable percentage and the game will open up for the drive and score and the drive and kick.
He has to learn how to shoot for him to be special.

[Drom John]

Kevin O'Connor, The Ringer:
NBA Reality Check, Part 3: A Whole New Russ, Mega Siakam, and More
What’s real and what’s not one month into the 2019-20 season? We’re assessing one question per team. Here’s the third and last batch of 10. (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/11/22/20977125/russell-westbrook-pascal-siakam-ben-simmons-coward)

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Dejounte Murray Half-Court Scoring Efficiency

[spurspl]

told u months ago that murray isnt special. Just an average player with good defense. Whats worse, hes the best asset spurs have now.

[tholdren]

Murray needs settle down and to consistently take and make 15’ or so jumpers off the pick and roll action and standing 3 pointer both at respectable percentage and the game will open up for the drive and score and the drive and kick.
He has to learn how to shoot for him to be special.

Terrible take. MURRAY WAS DRAFTED TO GET TO THE PAINT.

[Capt Bringdown]

Murray is a potent symbol of the Spurs decline - the point at which reality overtakes myth.
Lo and behold Spurs do not have some special sauce regarding drafting/player development.

[GAustex]

Terrible take. MURRAY WAS DRAFTED TO GET TO THE PAINT.
It aint working. If he could shoot defenders would need to not slough off and the defender is therefore able to challenge him on the drive at the rim.

[sasaint]

Terrible take. MURRAY WAS DRAFTED TO GET TO THE PAINT.

No. It’s a good take. The bottom line with Murray is, indeed, that he has to learn to shoot to be special. Otherwise he is just another MCW.

[Sugus]

Murray is a potent symbol of the Spurs decline - the point at which reality overtakes myth.
Lo and behold Spurs do not have some special sauce regarding drafting/player development.

Yeah, sure, let's just take a look at the other 29 teams' success with 29th picks... :rolleyes

People really be expecting the FO to draft the next superstar with end of first round picks. Ridiculous. Murray is a home-run of a pick even if he never makes an All-star team in his career, but y'all just grasping at any straw to shit on the Spurs org. Kinda sad tbh...

[GAustex]

No. It’s a good take. The bottom line with Murray is, indeed, that he has to learn to shoot to be special. Otherwise he is just another MCW.
If Murray could force his defender to go over the top of screens he would be able to find more happiness.

[sasaint]

If Murray could force his defender to go over the top of screens he would be able to find more happiness.

Yes, and a whole lot of fans, too!

[alpha_HaZE]

Kevin O'Connor, The Ringer:
NBA Reality Check, Part 3: A Whole New Russ, Mega Siakam, and More
What’s real and what’s not one month into the 2019-20 season? We’re assessing one question per team. Here’s the third and last batch of 10. (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/11/22/20977125/russell-westbrook-pascal-siakam-ben-simmons-coward)

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Dejounte Murray Half-Court Scoring Efficiency

Yes, that's what I was thinking. Remember when Patty said, during training camp, we go where Dejounte take us? That is so true, isn't it? But then again Sean Elliott said that he is not going to be the best version of himself until early 2020. So that's that, I guess.

I think Pop is unfairly criticized for not playing young players, but in reality we suck because he is doing exactly that playing both Dejounte and White, and Trey Lyles, and Poeltl. So yes, there is no space for Lonnie, especially if he playing even worse than DJ and Derrick.

[JeffDuncan]

If Murray could force his defender to go over the top of screens he would be able to find more happiness.

Murray did, at least, sling up a couple of 3pt tries this game. Not with success, but he slang 'em in the direction of the basket thingy. Great journeys begin with small steps.

[GAustex]

Murray did, at least, sling up a couple of 3pt tries this game. Not with success, but he slang 'em in the direction of the basket thingy. Great journeys begin with small steps.
Alas my hope is that some time-soon I hope- that he can make that pick and roll jumper and an open 3 at a percentage that forces the defense out on him. When that happens he goes by people at ease. All the way to the hoop with an advantage

[GreekSpursfan]

There is no young talent on this team, the sooner the FO realises this the better and they might have since we are tanking. I'm talking about real talent, no ifs and whether he does that and in due time and shit like that.

[duncan2k5]

ppl saying murray needs a jumper to be special must not watch giannis...it's called roster construction...if they put a shit ton of no-defense playing, mid-range shooters around giannis, he wouldnt have grown into the player he is today...Murray not only doesnt have the space to operate (let's cut the shit...he gets into the paint at will), but he has no one to pass to once he gets there...combine that with his passive play due to having to coddle DDR and LMA with the ball all while trying to cover up all his teammates' defensive lapses, u can see why ppl who dont study the game would say he isnt that great...put different players around him, u will see a drastic change...until then, he needs to say fuck these boomers and do his own thing...coddling them will be the reason he fails

[GAustex]

ppl saying murray needs a jumper to be special must not watch giannis

Murray is too light and slight to be compared to
Giannis.
Murray cannot finish at the rim like
giannis
Murray is a fine player but to be "special" he needs to force defenders to move out toward him.
only way to do that is to scare them with the potential of making an outside shot.
And yes he can get to the rim now with success but the defender is usually waiting to meet him there.
Murray will find much happiness if he can arrive at the rim with his defender left in the dust

[tim_duncan_fan]

ppl saying murray needs a jumper to be special must not watch giannis...it's called roster construction...if they put a shit ton of no-defense playing, mid-range shooters around giannis, he wouldnt have grown into the player he is today...Murray not only doesnt have the space to operate (let's cut the shit...he gets into the paint at will), but he has no one to pass to once he gets there...combine that with his passive play due to having to coddle DDR and LMA with the ball all while trying to cover up all his teammates' defensive lapses, u can see why ppl who dont study the game would say he isnt that great...put different players around him, u will see a drastic change...until then, he needs to say fuck these boomers and do his own thing...coddling them will be the reason he fails

What people are seeing is that he isn't that much of a difference maker because he is afraid to shoot the ball.

He should have way more attempts but he passes up opportunities waaay too often, basically any time he's not right at the rim. The lack of aggression is his real problem.

[rascal]

Murray is overrated by Spur fans.

[Texas_Ranger]

I'd trade him in a second. Just as I'd do it with White. While I am at it, I'd get rid of every single player on this roster.

[GAustex]

Both Murray and White need to be influential scoring threats or so sorry there is not much of a chance that this team has even a punchers chance to be post season fodder.

[tholdren]

It aint working. If he could shoot defenders would need to not slough off and the defender is therefore able to challenge him on the drive at the rim.

Dumb. Derozan says hello

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Murray sucks at running the offense regardless of who else is on the floor. He's got a lot to learn.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Dumb. Derozan says hello

derozan is an offensive wizard from 2 feet inside the arc

[duncan2k5]

Murray sucks at running the offense regardless of who else is on the floor. He's got a lot to learn.

He ain't gonna learn it on the bench

[Sugus]

shitty mobile, dismiss me*

[cd98]

IMHO, I think Murray should be grateful to come off the bench. For one, he's injured and on a minutes restriction anyway. For two, he's out of control and a turnover machine that is magnified as he goes against starting point guards. Better to let him learn control and gain confidence against second units. Third, White has a more confident jumper. The starting line up needs outside shooting. The second unit is full of shooters so that may open up Murray drives. Plus Pop will want him to force the issue on drives more against the 2nd unit and he'll have 3 point shooters to bail him out.

I don't think this guy will be more than an average starter with possible above average defense ability. But he still has time to improve and his best role is off the bench.

[My Fault]

There has been no growth, he’ll look good for a handful of games but he’s still the same inconsistent player who can’t shoot.

[BackHome]

Murray should be moved to shooting guard I don’t think he has the handles or instincts of a PG.

[SAGirl]

Kevin O'Connor, The Ringer:
NBA Reality Check, Part 3: A Whole New Russ, Mega Siakam, and More
What’s real and what’s not one month into the 2019-20 season? We’re assessing one question per team. Here’s the third and last batch of 10. (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/11/22/20977125/russell-westbrook-pascal-siakam-ben-simmons-coward)

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Dejounte Murray Half-Court Scoring Efficiency
Good find. Thanks for sharing.

[cd98]

Murray should be moved to shooting guard I don’t think he has the handles or instincts of a PG.

Yikes, but he can't shoot.

[MultiTroll]

Murray should be moved to shooting guard I don’t think he has the handles or instincts of a PG.
Or in a free flowing ball moving 2014 Spurs type offense. I think he could create up the ass but not now when pigeon holed into a PG -ball-in-his hands all the time. Works well off ball.

[SpurSpike]

From what iv seen of DJ this year, he does not have the same positive attitude and leadership that he showed before he was hurt. Something is going on, something has damaged him mentally. Its like the life has been drained from him, he doesn't look happy anymore. Its not just the losing either, there is something wrong here.

[tholdren]

Or in a free flowing ball moving 2014 Spurs type offense. I think he could create up the ass but not now when pigeon holed into a PG -ball-in-his hands all the time. Works well off ball.
Lol

[ceperez]

From what iv seen of DJ this year, he does not have the same positive attitude and leadership that he showed before he was hurt. Something is going on, something has damaged him mentally. Its like the life has been drained from him, he doesn't look happy anymore. Its not just the losing either, there is something wrong here.

Well he got a huge contract that honestly he hasn't lived up to!

[duncan2k5]

From what iv seen of DJ this year, he does not have the same positive attitude and leadership that he showed before he was hurt. Something is going on, something has damaged him mentally. Its like the life has been drained from him, he doesn't look happy anymore. Its not just the losing either, there is something wrong here.

Pop isn't treating him like a leader tbh... And that causes teammates to question whether or not u should be the one leading them... Pop is undermining his own players with his actions

[spurspl]

Pop isn't treating him like a leader tbh... And that causes teammates to question whether or not u should be the one leading them... Pop is undermining his own players with his actions
u have to deserve to be treating like a leader and for now dj hasnt showed anything like that, anything special.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

rondo without the passing tbh

[Capt Bringdown]

Murray is a journeyman masquerading as a starter.

[GAustex]

He is so long that if he could gather and get a 15’ or so jumper off and make them things would be so much easier for Murray.
When he shoots he is so high that guards have a hard time getting in his grill. He can get that shot a will. He just needs to make them.

[tholdren]

rondo without the passing tbh
Rondo is a better ball handler, tougher and higher iq. Similarly lanky though

[JeffDuncan]

rondo without the passing tbh

Rondo has been playing for 13 years.