Dem debate tonight

[Will Hunting]

:lol Bloomberg manages to fuck up that softball of a question

[baseline bum]

Sanders was mostly bad this debate but his misconception answer that it's not radical to implement universal healthcare like the rest of the first world was a great answer. Surprised Bloomberg didn't try to argue he wasn't a Republican in the misconception question.

[Spurtacular]

Just a thought.

I actually hated her way more when I lived in MN than I do now. Probably cos I read less about her bull shit is all.

[baseline bum]

:lol Bloomberg manages to fuck up that softball of a question

Warren too. WTF, I do eat?

[Will Hunting]

Sanders was mostly bad this debate but his misconception answer that it's not radical to implement universal healthcare like the rest of the first world was a great answer. Surprised Bloomberg didn't try to argue he wasn't a Republican in the misconception question.
Was anyone good though? Maybe Biden was but I don’t think anyone else performed well.

[spurraider21]

Warren too. WTF, I do eat?
too many goofy answers... i'm 6 fee tall, i dont eat, i'm boring, i'm not flappable

the fuck

[spurraider21]

pete and bernie cant stand to make eye contact even when shaking hands :lol

[baseline bum]

too many goofy answers... i'm 6 fee tall, i dont eat, i'm boring, i'm not flappable

the fuck

Elena said she wasn't fappable?

[Will Hunting]

Always interesting to see which handshakes are awkward/friendly post-debate.

[Will Hunting]

pete and bernie cant stand to make eye contact even when shaking hands :lol
Saw that too. No one seemed to be friendly with Buttplug post debate, he just seems like an unlikeable guy.

[Reck]

Elena said she wasn't fappable?

Says she was boring. Which is true and I find it amazing she's aware of it at least.

[spurraider21]

cant think of anybody who came out of this much better than they came in. possibly biden? nobody else stood out much at all. bloomberg did a lot better after another rough start. but if all biden had to do was hold par so he can win SC and get back on track, i think he accomplished that

[spurraider21]

Saw that too. No one seemed to be friendly with Buttplug post debate, he just seems like an unlikeable guy.
gay liberal ted cruz?

[Spurtacular]

That creepy dick sucking grin every time he thinks he’s made a good point

:lol Buttplug is so proud of himself any time he sleekly gets his points in.

[Spurtacular]

These other candidates have no red meat to take Bernie to task. They've all sold out too much. :lol

[hater]

damn Bernies answer clips of the debate are killing twitter :lmao

ma man won this one fellas based on the highlight clips

[hater]

:lmao look at Bidens face at the end :lmao

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1232489187523399680?s=21

[hater]

gawd damn

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1232503932385189890?s=21

[Reck]

Question is, should Amy and Warren stay until Super tuesday and get enbarrassed when they lose their own state?

Bernie is tied with Warren in massachusetts. Amy does have a lead but I dont think she can even pull that off.

[Spurtacular]

Pocohantas singlehandedly trying to kill this debate.

[hater]

lol chump

he killed the gotcha question

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1232498156698468353?s=21

[Will Hunting]

Question is, should Amy and Warren stay until Super tuesday and get enbarrassed when they lose their own state?

Bernie is tied with Warren in massachusetts. Amy does have a lead but I dont think she can even pull that off.
I’d be surprised if anyone suspends their campaign before Super Tuesday at this point.

[Reck]

lol chump

he killed the gotcha question

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1232498156698468353?s=21

lol that was his lowest moment in fact.

[Spurtacular]

:lol Bloomberg claimed he beat down the other candidates in the last debate?

[hater]

on fire

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/status/1232503932385189890?s=21

[hater]

lol that was his lowest moment in fact.

if thats his lowest moment the. he had a fucking great debate :lol

[ChumpDumper]

lol chump

he killed the gotcha question

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1232498156698468353?s=21:lmao some original shit right there

But muhbama!

Bernie Sanders defends policies of Fidel Castro

[hater]

:lmao some original shit right there

But muhbama!

according to you he was gonna get skewered tonight on it :lmao :lmao

lol chump

[ChumpDumper]

according to you he was gonna get skewered tonight on it :lmao :lmao

lol chumpWhat's the headline of that tweet?

[vy65]

lol chump

he killed the gotcha question

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1232498156698468353?s=21

He was terrible in that moment. Defensive and nonsensical.

[SnakeBoy]

Who won?

[Spurtacular]

Tom Steyer Campaign Slogan: I'm A Bigger Cuck Than Bernie

This is your guy, Blake

:lmao

[hater]

He was terrible in that moment. Defensive and nonsensical.

that got Trump elected :lol

[spurraider21]

lol chump

he killed the gotcha question

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1232498156698468353?s=21
not the best way bernie could have approached it, but :lol at skinny pete trying to get in on the action

[hater]

Who won?

bernie won because he was the punchingbag and ended up with best highlights

[Spurtacular]

The audience reactions are pretty hilarious...there’s no way people actually like Bloomberg this much.

Not sure what you're talking about; they've given him awkward silence on his punchlines more than once.

[vy65]

that got Trump elected :lol

That makes no sense. You’re really fucking dumb.

[hater]

Not sure what you're talking about; they've given him awkward silence on his punchlines more than once.

thats because they were not sure to laugh or applaud :lol

[hater]

That makes no sense. You’re really fucking dumb.

read your post and read my response

that helps most of the time genius

[Reck]

if thats his lowest moment the. he had a fucking great debate :lol

Not only did he triple down, he got owned by Biden (lol) on the rebuke and then if that wasn't enough, he got in a tit for tat with the audidence in the room. :lmao

[hater]

all I know is Bernie ls poll #s wont plummet in SC after tonight

calling it now. he will either gain or steady on

[vy65]

read your post and read my response

that helps most of the time genius

I did. Your response makes no sense.

But let’s talk about your predictions. Who won WWIII?

[Chinook]

Yeah, people are way overestimating the effect of that Castro exchagne. No one in their right minds was gonna vote for Sanders then changed their minds when they heard that. We're talking about a world where a guy can literally brag about sexually assaulting people and it not slow him down. Democrats are way too concerned with sound bites. If that had been Hilary who said that, she would have backed down, and people would have praised her for it, and she'd've still lost. The most important thing isn't going to be whatever Sanders thought about Cuba decades ago. It's going to be that he sticks to his guns and doesn't let social pressure change him.

Regardless, does anyone really think Trump is going to play "gotcha" cards in a debate? The worst that was going to happen was ads attacking Sanders for it, and those would be there whether he backed down or doubled down. I swear, it's like 2016 never happened in democrats' minds.

[hater]

:lmao PeteGuaido

https://twitter.com/people4bernie/status/1232495371047198720?s=21

[Spurtacular]

Yeah, people are way overestimating the effect of that Castro exchagne. No one in their right minds was gonna vote for Sanders then changed their minds when they heard that.

It'll hurt him in the national election if he had any chance of winning Florida.

[Spurtacular]

We're talking about a world where a guy can literally brag about sexually assaulting people and it not slow him down.

You're too smart to go running with that silly talking point.

[hater]

Yeah, people are way overestimating the effect of that Castro exchagne. No one in their right minds was gonna vote for Sanders then changed their minds when they heard that. We're talking about a world where a guy can literally brag about sexually assaulting people and it not slow him down. Democrats are way too concerned with sound bites. If that had been Hilary who said that, she would have backed down, and people would have praised her for it, and she'd've still lost. The most important thing isn't going to be whatever Sanders thought about Cuba decades ago. It's going to be that he sticks to his guns and doesn't let social pressure change him.

Regardless, does anyone really think Trump is going to play "gotcha" cards in a debate? The worst that was going to happen was ads attacking Sanders for it, and those would be there whether he backed down or doubled down. I swear, it's like 2016 never happened in democrats' minds.

lol chump

[Spurtacular]

lol chump

:lol

[Chinook]

It'll hurt him in the national election if he had any chance of winning Florida.

Eh, pretty sure Cubans have been a solid GOP voting bloc for a while now. I had a hard time seeing him win, though maybe he gets enough turnout to help down-ballot candidates. Florida just added ex-cons to the voting pool. I don't see that being enough to win the EC votes, but it may have swung the gubernatorial race.

[ChumpDumper]

lol chumplol you never answered my question

[Chinook]

You're too smart to go running with that silly talking point.

It's not a talking point. He literally described sexual assault in a bragging manner. People didn't really care about the sound bite, ultimately. Democrats cared and thought everyone would agree with them. That's why they dramatically overestimated their chances of winning.

[Reck]

:lol

Why are you turning on your favorite poster here? No loyalty eh

[Will Hunting]

I swear, it's like 2016 never happened in democrats' minds.
Or 2000 and 2004 for that matter.

[Spurtacular]

It's not a talking point. He literally described sexual assault in a bragging manner. People didn't really care about the sound bite, ultimately. Democrats cared and thought everyone would agree with them. That's why they dramatically overestimated their chances of winning.

It was boys being boys, embellishing sexual conquests. You make a mockery out of real sexual predators and/or just label yourself a snowflake by running with that silly talking point.

[Chinook]

Or 2000 and 2004 for that matter.

Hey, if you don't count the losses, all they do is win.

[Spurtacular]

Why are you turning on your favorite poster here? No loyalty eh

Chump? You're having a hard time.

[Will Hunting]

Hey, if you don't count the losses, all they do is win.
You joke but that’s what the moderate Democrats basically claim. Hillary lost and I’m not sure how times I’ve heard some argument about how she doesn’t really “count” as a centrist Democrat even though she was.

[DMC]

lol you never answered my question

Story of your ST life

[hater]

Story of your ST life

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

You joke but that’s what the moderate Democrats basically claim. Hillary lost and I’m not sure how times I’ve heard some argument about how she doesn’t really “count” as a centrist Democrat even though she was.The last fairly liberal president we had was Nixon, I guess it's time.

[Chinook]

It was boys being boys, embellishing sexual conquests. You make a mockery out of real sexual predators and/or just label yourself a snowflake by running with that silly talking point.

First, it doesn't matter the context of it. He could have been bragging about sexual assault to save a baby's life. "Boys being boys" is context, maybe. But what he actually said was actually and literally sexual assault, and he bragged about it. But second, my greater point was that it doesn't matter. Democrats think catching someone saying something is going to change people's minds. It really won't. People are going to vote for their interests, or at least what they think is their interests. They don't care if a guy talks crassly about women or says a nice thing about Cuba. They only care if they think he'll do what they want him to do.

[vy65]

Yeah, people are way overestimating the effect of that Castro exchagne. No one in their right minds was gonna vote for Sanders then changed their minds when they heard that.

Not what the data shows

[ChumpDumper]

Story of your ST lifelol your personal files

[Spurtacular]

First, it doesn't matter the context of it. He could have been bragging about sexual assault to save a baby's life. "Boys being boys" is context, maybe. But what he actually said was actually and literally sexual assault, and he bragged about it. But second, my greater point was that it doesn't matter. Democrats think catching someone saying something is going to change people's minds. It really won't. People are going to vote for their interests, or at least what they think is their interests. They don't care if a guy talks crassly about women or says a nice thing about Cuba. They only care if they think he'll do what they want him to do.

What he described is a sexually liberal atmosphere, snowflake. Real sexual predators will rape you in your ass and leave you bleeding out.

[picnroll]

:lmao PeteGuaido

https://twitter.com/people4bernie/status/1232495371047198720?s=21

Nobody talks over Bernie. He talks louder and more than anyone else. His raised arm, jabbing finger, spit drooling diatribes annoy the shit out of me. Did he ever once give any realistic breakdown of how he’s paying for all this free shit without tanking the economy or getting it enacted. As a presidential nominee the undercard is going to be running from him like he’s got Ebola and Coronavirus combined.

[spurraider21]

I don’t want healthcare and loan forgiveness anymore because Bernie said Castro did some good things despite being an authoritarian despot

[Chinook]

You joke but that’s what the moderate Democrats basically claim. Hillary lost and I’m not sure how times I’ve heard some argument about how she doesn’t really “count” as a centrist Democrat even though she was.

Oh I know. The party is awful about trying to be in the middle. Like, you can still compromise on shit even if you have a strong view to the contrary. You don't have to be a weak bitch from jump street to pass laws. If you're the only one compromising, you're just going to end up losing. Turns out, if people wanted to vote for someone conservative, they'll just vote republican instead.

[Spurtacular]

Nobody talks over Bernie. He talks louder and more than anyone else. His raised arm, jabbing finger, spit drooling diatribes annoy the shit out of me. Did he ever once give any realistic breakdown of how he’s paying for all this free shit without tanking the economy or getting it enacted. As a presidential nominee the undercard is going to be running from him like he’s got Ebola and Coronavirus combined.

Larry David only had to be a loud mouth fuckhead to imitate Bernie.

[DMC]

I don’t want healthcare and loan forgiveness anymore because Bernie said Castro did some good things despite being an authoritarian despot

Because that's the dichotomy we are faced with. Thanks for pointing it out.

Some people did some things.

[Spurtacular]

Will Hunting

:lmao I'm not the only one seeing it...

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/pete-buttigieg-democrats-marco-rubio-121781

[Chinook]

What he described is a sexually liberal atmosphere, snowflake. Real sexual predators will rape you in your ass and leave you bleeding out.

Sexual assault and rape are different things. What he said was actually describing sexual assault. Maybe he'd find that assault okay in a sexually liberal atmosphere, but it still would be sexual assault. You keep making a mountain out of a molehill though. My whole point was that it doesn't matter what someone gets caught saying, and you seem determined to prove that it matters a whole lot.

[Chinook]

Not what the data shows

That data is stupid as shit then.

[DMC]

lol your personal files

:lol you have 104 thousand posts here just under that account. No one needs to collect anything on you to quickly conclude that you never get any action here.

[vy65]

That data is stupid as shit then.

Totally. Facts are fucking stupid

[DMC]

That data is stupid as shit then.

The data's wrong.. THE DATA's WRONG? You're wrong, and you're wanting.

[Chinook]

Totally. Facts are fucking stupid

Yeah, pretty much. You can cling to the polls all you want, but it's not going to actually change anything.

[vy65]

That data is stupid as shit then.

Complains about Trump. Parrots alternative facts theory.

Makes sense.

[hater]

Nobody talks over Bernie. He talks louder and more than anyone else. His raised arm, jabbing finger, spit drooling diatribes annoy the shit out of me. Did he ever once give any realistic breakdown of how he’s paying for all this free shit without tanking the economy or getting it enacted. As a presidential nominee the undercard is going to be running from him like he’s got Ebola and Coronavirus combined.

:lol you sound really shook

[vy65]

Yeah, pretty much. You can cling to the polls all you want, but it's not going to actually change anything.

Yah man, polls don’t mean anything at all.

[Will Hunting]

Oh I know. The party is awful about trying to be in the middle. Like, you can still compromise on shit even if you have a strong view to the contrary. You don't have to be a weak bitch from jump street to pass laws. If you're the only one compromising, you're just going to end up losing. Turns out, if people wanted to vote for someone conservative, they'll just vote republican instead.
They think voters pick who to vote for via some mechanical process where each person figures out who they sit closer to on the ideological spectrum thus if they nominate someone who’s barely to the left of the Republican candidate they’ll be able to win all the moderate Republicans and independents despite all the evidence in the world showing that’s not how it works at all.

[Chinook]

Complains about Trump. Parrots alternative facts theory.

Makes sense.

Yeah, because it turns out that not like Trump doesn't erase the fact that he won. Democrats doing the same ignorant shit that made them lose in 2016 and thinking that it's going to work in 2020 is amazing. No one gives a shit about sound bites. The media will complain about them. Polling will make it seem like a big deal. It won't come out in voting.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol you have 104 thousand posts here just under that account. No one needs to collect anything on youAnd yet, you have :lol

Why?

[picnroll]

:lol you sound really shook

I agree with Warren. Sanders has done shit and will do shit.

[Spurtacular]

Nobody talks over Bernie. He talks louder and more than anyone else. His raised arm, jabbing finger, spit drooling diatribes annoy the shit out of me. Did he ever once give any realistic breakdown of how he’s paying for all this free shit without tanking the economy or getting it enacted. As a presidential nominee the undercard is going to be running from him like he’s got Ebola and Coronavirus combined.

:lol I watched him just try to outloud someone right after we were talking about this. He had no more right to speak; my fuck he is really obnoxious.

[hater]

I agree with Warren. Sanders has done shit and will do shit.

ok Nancy

hope youre able to sleep it off :lol

[vy65]

Yeah, because it turns out that not like Trump doesn't erase the fact that he won. Democrats doing the same ignorant shit that made them lose in 2016 and thinking that it's going to work in 2020 is amazing. No one gives a shit about sound bites. The media will complain about them. Polling will make it seem like a big deal. It won't come out in voting.

So everyone’s mind is made up and there’s no such thing as a swing voter. Cool.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1232493999774003200?s=19

[Spurtacular]

What he said was actually describing sexual assault.

He described an atmosphere in which women enjoy genital stimulation. Welcome to the real world, snowflake.

[TimDunkem]

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1232493999774003200?s=19

He wants to help minorities start their own businesses? Nice.

[Spurtacular]

They think voters pick who to vote for via some mechanical process where each person figures out who they sit closer to on the ideological spectrum thus if they nominate someone who’s barely to the left of the Republican candidate they’ll be able to win all the moderate Republicans and independents despite all the evidence in the world showing that’s not how it works at all.

Which is why it's silly to talk about whether Hillary is a centrist or a progressive. She's a fucking psychopath who will be whatever she needs to be.

[Chris]

Bernie is going to save us from all the greedy corporations.

[Chinook]

He described an atmosphere in which women enjoy genital stimulation. Welcome to the real world, snowflake.

Wait, you talk about a fictional world where women love being unexpectedly groped by sleazy dudes, and then talk to be about the "real world"?

[Chris]

He wants to help minorities start their own businesses? Nice.

Minorities are great at starting their own businesses. See:India

[Spurtacular]

He wants to help minorities start their own businesses? Nice.

They had those businesses in the 80's and 90's. They just weren't paying taxes. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Wait, you talk about a fictional world where women love being unexpectedly groped by sleazy dudes, and then talk to be about the "real world"?

Sadly, you've never apparently been to any really fun parties. :lol

[Reck]

I'm all up for debates and discussions about shit but I dont like how we as a collective tear each other down a peg because we're not progressive or moderate enough even though we're on the same page probably on 99% of the issues.

That's how Republicans beat us.

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1232493999774003200?s=19

There's money to be made in that sector, Chris.

[Will Hunting]

So everyone’s mind is made up and there’s no such thing as a swing voter. Cool.
All of the most recent elections show that trying to win the swing voter is massively overrated.

Romney won independents in 2012 but there were simply more Democratic voters who showed up than there were Republicans.

2004 I think was the worst. John Kerry was so focused on trying to win swing voters by being barely to the left of GWB on everything (to the point where he even said he’d vote for the Iraq War all over again) that he’s the only Democrat since 1988 to not even win the popular vote thanks to shit liberal voter turnout

[Chinook]

So everyone’s mind is made up and there’s no such thing as a swing voter. Cool.

People don't swing on stupid shit like, "he said Cuba did a good thing". Like, who's gonna's be okay with a radical restructuring of the healthcare and tuition systems by then think that being objective enough to mention a good thing a bad dude did is worth throwing it all away?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1232506306113699841?s=19

[picnroll]

ok Nancy

hope youre able to sleep it off :lol
Thanks for the concern. Would be nice to have a normal person for president though instead of a choice between two ravers.

[TimDunkem]

Minorities are great at starting their own businesses. See:India

Good for Indians. How about African-Americans disproportionately affected by the war on a drug that's legal in some form in most of the country?

[TimDunkem]

They had those businesses in the 80's and 90's. They just weren't paying taxes. :lol

I guess everyone wins then.

[Chinook]

I'm all up for debates and discussions about shit but I dont like how we as a collective tear each other down a peg because we're not progressive or moderate enough even though we're on the same page probably on 99% of the issues.

That's how Republicans beat us.

Nah. People aren't going to remember a contested primary either. In fact, I'd say a primary where one person cruises through despite the fact that so many people don't want them is how the GOP wins.

[TimDunkem]

People don't swing on stupid shit like, "he said Cuba did a good thing". Like, who's gonna's be okay with a radical restructuring of the healthcare and tuition systems by then think that being objective enough to mention a good thing a bad dude did is worth throwing it all away?

Especially when you remember that most Americans must not care about this sort of thing considering they voted for a guy who has sucked off Putin, Kim, MBS, etc.

[Chinook]

Sadly, you've never apparently been to any really fun parties. :lol

Like more power to you if you don't mind randos grabbing your junk at parties. My guess though is that it would depend on the person and not just whether you were having fun.

[Reck]

Minorities are great at starting their own businesses. See:India

Wait you think Indians are a minority in their own country? :lol Chris

[Spurtacular]

I guess everyone wins then.

Less jail time hangin' over their head; that is until they get busted for not paying their taxes.

:lol Same results, different means.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1232494637345951745?s=19

[Will Hunting]

Nah. People aren't going to remember a contested primary either. In fact, I'd say a primary where one person cruises through despite the fact that so many people don't want them is how the GOP wins.
Rumor has it that’s what happened 4 years ago but Democrats like to ignore it.

[Chris]

Wait you think Indians are a minority in their own country? :lol Chris

gd you are dumb as a box of rocks

[TimDunkem]

Less jail time hangin' over their head; that is until they get busted for not paying their taxes.

:lol Same results, different means.

Wait - you're saying black businessmen don't pay taxes?

[Chinook]

Especially when you remember that most Americans must not care about this sort of thing considering they voted for a guy who has sucked off Putin, Kim, MBS, etc.

Exactly, and democrats didn't learn shit from 2016. That shit doesn't matter. Stop focusing on it. You can always find people who are willing to act butt-hurt for attention. That's not the same thing as actually shifting the electorate.

[Reck]

gd you are dumb as a box of rocks

Says the bot who cant behave himself to follow basic rules. Tell us how indians are a minority in...INDIA some more.

[DMC]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1232494637345951745?s=19

Sound bites don't really mean anything. It's easy to learn his true stance if you care. If you don't care, like probably most voters, he's a socialist which means he wants to give welfare to all the lazy blacks and immigrants and take your money. That's the gist of it.

[TimDunkem]

^Jesus...

[Spurtacular]

Wait - you're saying black businessmen don't pay taxes?

I'm saying criminals don't pay taxes.

[Chris]

Says the bot who cant behave himself to follow basic rules. Tell us how indians are a minority in...INDIA some more.

To even think I was implying that is a special kind of stupid.

You're special.

[Spurtacular]

Like more power to you if you don't mind randos grabbing your junk at parties. My guess though is that it would depend on the person and not just whether you were having fun.

Bruh, these are real world realities. People party.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1232493999774003200?s=19

ma niga

[DMC]

I honestly think a lot of people vote based on who they prefer to see on TV and hear speak. I cannot imagine wanting to hear Bernie speak.

[vy65]

People don't swing on stupid shit like, "he said Cuba did a good thing". Like, who's gonna's be okay with a radical restructuring of the healthcare and tuition systems by then think that being objective enough to mention a good thing a bad dude did is worth throwing it all away?

Do those comments help? Are they necessary? Do they advance the cause of the radical restructuring you mention or do they hurt?

[Chinook]

Bruh, these are real world realities. People party.

Yes, but my guess is that you still don't like people grabbing your junk unless they're someone you want to do it. And I don't think that makes you a snowflake.

[DMC]

^Jesus...

That's the "don't care about learning his stance" crowd.

[hater]

Thanks for the concern. Would be nice to have a normal person for president though instead of a choice between two ravers.

normal like Hillary, Jeb Bush, Pete Buttman or Marco Rubio amirite?

[vy65]

All of the most recent elections show that trying to win the swing voter is massively overrated.

Romney won independents in 2012 but there were simply more Democratic voters who showed up than there were Republicans.

2004 I think was the worst. John Kerry was so focused on trying to win swing voters by being barely to the left of GWB on everything (to the point where he even said he’d vote for the Iraq War all over again) that he’s the only Democrat since 1988 to not even win the popular vote thanks to shit liberal voter turnout

And if the base Bernie turns out isn’t enough to offset the centrists he loses, what value does the stupid shit he spouts add then?

[Chinook]

Do those comments help? Are they necessary? Do they advance the cause of the radical restructuring you mention or do they hurt?

They don't affect it at all. At all. They didn't help, but a bunch of the things he says don't help or hurt that cause.

[Spurtacular]

Yes, but my guess is that you still don't like people grabbing your junk unless they're someone you want to do it. And I don't think that makes you a snowflake.

Did you miss the part where Trump said they "let" him do it? (if you want to believe him literally; to me he was just saying whatever boast popped into his mind).

You drank the kool aid, bro.

[Spurs Homer]

Steyer had the best moment-

when he passionately brought up trumps treason in helsinki


”we were cyberfucked and trump took the side of the attackers”


good job


bernie still got this tho

[Chinook]

Did you miss the part where Trump said they "let" him do it? (if you want to believe him literally; to me he was just saying whatever boast popped into his mind).

You took the kool aid, bro.

He also said he could kill a guy and people would still love him. You don't have to tell me that he was probably kidding. The point isn't about how serious he was. It is that no one except democrats and apparently you really cared what he said.

[vy65]

They don't affect it at all. At all. They didn't help, but a bunch of the things he says don't help or hurt that cause.

And your basis for saying that is what? Your personal opinion?

[picnroll]

ma niga
WTF. I’m sure every black mother and father listened to that and got the warm fuzzies that Bernie was going to help their sons grow up to be dope dealers. Does he just pull this shit out of his ass?

[Chinook]

And your basis for saying that is what? Your personal opinion?

It's as good as any.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao Pocohantas wants that VP slot; but she snubbed Bernie on another handshake.
:lmao Just another "nasty woman"

[vy65]

So sound bites don’t matter, it’s all about what the candidate proposes as policy.

But no one reads and educates themselves about policy. They just rely on sound bites reported by the media.

Makes sense.

[TimDunkem]

WTF. I’m sure every black mother and father listened to that and got the warm fuzzies that Bernie was going to help their sons grow up to be dope dealers. Does he just pull this shit out of his ass?

Imagine being this out of touch.

[vy65]

It's as good as any.

Nope

[Spurtacular]

He also said he could kill a guy and people would still love him. You don't have to tell me that he was probably kidding. The point isn't about how serious he was. It is that no one except democrats and apparently you really cared what he said.

Oh, yea; the Democrats cared by giving the nomination someone who enables a high-profile sexual predator.

How stupid (snowflake) do you have to be to overlook that?

But even if you took Hillary out of the equation, people saw it for what it was, a gimmick.

[Chinook]

Nope

Keep telling yourself that. Hopefully, this is all just academic, but there's a legit chance 2016 happens again, and you'll be left wondering how you had all the answers and still got the biggest question wrong.

[Chinook]

Oh, yea; the Democrats cared by giving the nomination someone who enables a high-profile sexual predator.

How stupid (snowflake) do you have to be to overlook that?

But even if you took Hillary out of the equation, people saw it for what it was, a gimmick.

Don't think people cared one way or the other. They didn't feel the need to vote against him or to do the mental gymnastics you're doing. They just moved on with their lives and worried about which candidate they thought would help them the most.

[DMC]

So sound bites don’t matter, it’s all about what the candidate proposes as policy.

But no one reads and educates themselves about policy. They just rely on sound bites reported by the media.

Makes sense.

Who are you lampooning here?

[DC23]

This "debate" was horrible. Literally zero substance. Just a bunch of yelling and rambling bullshit. Trump loving it.

[vy65]

Keep telling yourself that. Hopefully, this is all just academic, but there's a legit chance 2016 happens again, and you'll be left wondering how you had all the answers and still got the biggest question wrong.

Ok. Keep telling yourself Bernie doesn’t need votes to win. We’ll see how that strategy works in November

[baseline bum]

WTF. I’m sure every black mother and father listened to that and got the warm fuzzies that Bernie was going to help their sons grow up to be dope dealers. Does he just pull this shit out of his ass?

And yet you keep defending the guy who says the 2008 collapse happened because congress forced banks to make home loans to blacks. That's not even a center right view of the great recession, it's a hard right conspiracy theory. But Boomerberg is the one that's going to get the base out to vote. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Don't think people cared one way or the other. They didn't feel the need to vote against him or to do the mental gymnastics you're doing. They just moved on with their lives and worried about which candidate they thought would help them the most.

Bruh, you're the one crying that locker room talk is worse than actual documented sexual misdeeds.

[vy65]

Who are you lampooning here?

Chinook.

[DMC]

This "debate" was horrible. Literally zero substance. Just a bunch of yelling and rambling bullshit. Trump loving it.

That's just his game.

[Chinook]

Ok. Keep telling yourself Bernie doesn’t need votes to win. We’ll see how that strategy works in November

You're already conceding that it'll work all the way through the primaries, where people will disproportionately care about it more than in the general election eight months from now.

[vy65]

You're already conceding that it'll work all the way through the primaries, where people will disproportionately care about it more than in the general election eight months from now.

No, I’m saying the loud grandpa is driving away votes he needs and relying on turnout that’s orders of magnitude greater than ever before seen to win. You’re facts don’t matter. I like my odds.

[Chinook]

Bruh, you're the one crying that locker room talk is worse than actual documented sexual misdeeds.

Nope. You brought up both of those terms and equated them. I said, "He described sexual assault, and no one really ended up caring." And you've gone post after post trying argue that everyone cared so much that they took time out of their lives to hash out the psychology and social norms of powerful men.

[Chinook]

No, I’m saying the loud grandpa is driving away votes he needs and relying on turnout that’s orders of magnitude greater than ever before seen to win. You’re facts don’t matter. I like my odds.

Sure you liked the odds in 2016 too.

[vy65]

Sure you liked the odds in 2016 too.

Right, because 2016 taught us relying on past elections to predict future ones was sound strategy

[Chinook]

Right, because 2016 taught us relying on past elections to predict future ones was sound strategy

I certainly should have taught you that sound bites don't sink a candidacy. Though maybe you think Romney's 47-percent remarks is why he's not the POTUS right now. I'd think that's ridiculous, but I can't tell for you given this conversation.

[ChumpDumper]

Right, because 2016 taught us relying on past elections to predict future ones was sound strategyYep. Why can't we just do everything like 1964? That was good times.

[hater]

WTF. I’m sure every black mother and father listened to that and got the warm fuzzies that Bernie was going to help their sons grow up to be dope dealers. Does he just pull this shit out of his ass?

black mother and father were toking it up watching the debate

they probably high fived when they heard that

[spurraider21]

Damn, from reading this thread, seems like Bernie lost the Chris, DMC, Spurtacular, and PicnRoll vote while also losing VY and Chunps primary support

[baseline bum]

Damn, from reading this thread, seems like Bernie lost the Chris, DMC, Spurtacular, and PicnRoll vote while also losing VY and Chunps primary support

As long as Bloomberg doesn't ring.

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, from reading this thread, seems like Bernie lost the Chris, DMC, Spurtacular, and PicnRoll vote while also losing VY and Chunps primary support
:lol stans

[benefactor]

I mean...I'm kinda leaning with Chinook here. Trump said he grabbed women by the pussy and said he could shoot someone and not lose votes. None of that mattered. He's the president now.

If Bernie gets the nod he's not losing voters or gaining them on a soundbite about Cuba...not on a win or lose scale. His young base that needs to come out and get him voted in will vote for him no matter what. Those people showing up is what he needs.

[Spurtacular]

Nope. You brought up both of those terms and equated them. I said, "He described sexual assault, and no one really ended up caring." And you've gone post after post trying argue that everyone cared so much that they took time out of their lives to hash out the psychology and social norms of powerful men.

How you gonna say they don't care if he's running against a certified villain?

All the same, yea people don't care that Trump was a playboy. They don't see it in your snowflake terms that locker room talk equals an admission of a sexual crime.

[Reck]

How you gonna say they don't care if he's running against a certified villain?

All the same, yea people don't care that Trump was a playboy. They don't see it in your snowflake terms that locker room talk equals an admission of a sexual crime.

You voting Biden?

[DarrinS]

Quite the train wreck.

[Spurtacular]

You voting Biden?

He won't win the nomination. But no.

[Ball Buster]

https://twitter.com/fluorescentgrey/status/1232539000281264130?s=21

[Reck]

He won't win the nomination. But no.

So Bernie then.

[Spurtacular]

So Bernie then.

I won't vote for Bernie. If American socialism could work, I'd like to think he's the guy to do it for what it's worth.

[Reck]

I won't vote for Bernie. If American socialism could work, I'd like to think he's the guy to do it for what it's worth.

A soft yes. lol

[Spurtacular]

A soft yes. lol

It's a hard no. That bone I was throwing you was clearly too much for you. :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol stans
Damn, and he was my 2nd preferred candidate. Lord knows how much I’d be stanning for Warren if she was the front runner

[ElNono]

Didn't watch. Nobody wins in these debates, so who was the biggest loser?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1232529958712549377?s=19

Listen for how many times he says Obama :lol

[hater]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1232529958712549377?s=19

Listen for how many times he says Obama :lol

Bernie 100% right :tu

[picnroll]

https://apple.news/A16CwpJPFSsODed5ocWvKwg
Dumb ass bros.

[Spurs Homer]

Pretty sure bernie is secretly enjoying the horrified pearl clutching from dems...

he might just be trolling

either way- the sooner everyone gets behind bernie- the better for the country and the beginning of the end for trump and the GOP


book it.

[DMC]

Damn, from reading this thread, seems like Bernie lost the Chris, DMC, Spurtacular, and PicnRoll vote while also losing VY and Chunps primary support

With you in the median as always, giving play by play.

[CosmicCowboy]

Didn't watch. Nobody wins in these debates, so who was the biggest loser?

I would have to say Biden.

[Winehole23]

much more pro-bloomberg audience today, tbhTickets were $1750.

[Trill Clinton]

Bernie is so resilient man. I like that he isn't letting the pressure get to him(Castro thing) and its a huge boost to his base who is looking for someone who will fight for them. His line of the night and what he needs to keep hammering home was "what i'm proposing isn't radical, its what the people want"

[Trill Clinton]

Tickets were $1750.

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[spurraider21]

With you in the median as always, giving play by play.
Yeah, I’ve been silent as to my views on sanders and his comments :lol

[Spurs Homer]

$1750?

ok - now I understand why bloomberg/klobuchar/. Got so many fucking questions

while the rest had to fight for crumbs

[boutons_deux]

$1750?

ok - now I understand why bloomberg/klobuchar/. Got so many fucking questions

while the rest had to fight for crumbs

Presidential campaigns lasting years are above all just another fucking business

President of, IIRC, ABC said Trash's campaign was fantastic for ABC because of ratings which translate into higher prices for ads bought by BigCorp

$1750? nice revenue from seating, plus the ads they sold.

The venality of America is infinite.

[Spurs Homer]

Presidential campaigns lasting years are above just another fucking business

Pres of, IIRC, ABC said Trash's campaign was fantastic for ABC because of ratings which translate into higher prices for ads bought by BigCorp

agreed

which is why - for 4 years now - the media has aided and abetted this criminal in the oval office -
here is a pattern that everyone had to have witnessed;

1) Trump commits a crime or some kind of fuckery - for example - "babies in cages - due to his white supremacist policy"
(impeachable under any other president - dem or repuke)
2) Media assembles a panel of [left wing vs right wing ] pundits
3) The "news" is not that a nazi is putting brown babies in cages - the news is
a) trump administration creates a no tolerance policy - democrats "accuse" the president of ...blah - blah
b) will democrats "strategy" of attacking the president backfire and will the presidents approval rating be helped by
democrats "appearing" to "be against" everything the president does?
c) AOC compared the practice to a "concentration camp" - did she go too far? Republicans are "outraged!"
4) Left wing vs right wing panel - argues 24/7 - about this ---


"political issue"

democrats clutch their pearls at the babies in cages - and republicans clutch their pearls and "whatabout" the issue




4 fucking years of the media turning EVERY FUCKING CRIME -


into -- LEFT vs. RIGHT issue

[DMC]

Yeah, I’ve been silent as to my views on sanders and his comments :lol

Yet you only gave a play by play on everyone but you.

Yeah, I watched my cousin Vinny lock you up in the paint, back you down at the other end and shatter the backboard on you.

[spurraider21]

Yet you only gave a play by play on everyone but you.

Yeah, I watched my cousin Vinny lock you up in the paint, back you down at the other end and shatter the backboard on you.
nice play by play

[DMC]

nice play by play

Maybe one day you won't be so dense. You're not an idiot, but you seem to not get nuance very well.

[vy65]

I mean...I'm kinda leaning with Chinook here. Trump said he grabbed women by the pussy and said he could shoot someone and not lose votes. None of that mattered. He's the president now.

If Bernie gets the nod he's not losing voters or gaining them on a soundbite about Cuba...not on a win or lose scale. His young base that needs to come out and get him voted in will vote for him no matter what. Those people showing up is what he needs.

His young base will always be there, like all the Trumpistas will gloss over pussy grabbing. The question is about those who are in the middle. Chinook's position, at its core, is that everyone has made up their mind and there's no such thing as an undecided voter. Does that sound right to you?

If not, does the poor judgment Bernie's shown in tripling down on an utterly irrelevant and unnecessary literacy brigade fight make you feel confident that he can positively engage people who are undecided? On a side note, Vox recently ran a story that Bernie needs a youth turnout much larger than what Obama got in 2008 (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/25/21152538/bernie-sanders-electability-president-moderates-data). Do you feel confident that will happen?

[Winehole23]

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[ChumpDumper]

Damn, and he was my 2nd preferred candidate. Lord knows how much I’d be stanning for Warren if she was the front runnerIndeed.

[ChumpDumper]

With you in the median as always, giving play by play.That's ironic.

[ElNono]

His young base will always be there, like all the Trumpistas will gloss over pussy grabbing. The question is about those who are in the middle. Chinook's position, at its core, is that everyone has made up their mind and there's no such thing as an undecided voter. Does that sound right to you?

I don't think that's really his point, to be fair. I think his point is that soundbites simply don't have the impact they once had. There's going to be undecided voters, but they won't make their decision over how Bernie feels about a remote country. I mean, Trump has shown bro-love to dictators in China and Russia, and CNN has been running that shit non-stop, and frankly, I don't think anybody cares outside of Spurs Homer, boutons and RG, tbh...

And sure, you can argue he didn't need to say that, or that he should've taken the 'safe' position, but I think if there's something lacking in the Dem party this day is somebody that's authentic. Everyone else in there has flip flopped left and right when called out, and much like Shillary, are super fake. IMO, there's nothing inspirational about those guys.

Now, you might not like Bernie's policies (and I certainly don't agree with a bunch of them), and that's fair and fine, but we also need to call a spade a spade here.

[benefactor]

I don't think that's really his point, to be fair. I think his point is that soundbites simply don't have the impact they once had. There's going to be undecided voters, but they won't make their decision over how Bernie feels about a remote country. I mean, Trump has shown bro-love to dictators in China and Russia, and CNN has been running that shit non-stop, and frankly, I don't think anybody cares outside of Spurs Homer, boutons and RG, tbh...

And sure, you can argue he didn't need to say that, or that he should've taken the 'safe' position, but I think if there's something lacking in the Dem party this day is somebody that's authentic. Everyone else in there has flip flopped left and right when called out, and much like Shillary, are super fake. IMO, there's nothing inspirational about those guys.

Now, you might not like Bernie's policies (and I certainly don't agree with a bunch of them), and that's fair and fine, but we also need to call a spade a spade here.
:tu

[vy65]

I don't think that's really his point, to be fair. I think his point is that soundbites simply don't have the impact they once had. There's going to be undecided voters, but they won't make their decision over how Bernie feels about a remote country. I mean, Trump has shown bro-love to dictators in China and Russia, and CNN has been running that shit non-stop, and frankly, I don't think anybody cares outside of Spurs Homer, boutons and RG, tbh...

And sure, you can argue he didn't need to say that, or that he should've taken the 'safe' position, but I think if there's something lacking in the Dem party this day is somebody that's authentic. Everyone else in there has flip flopped left and right when called out, and much like Shillary, are super fake. IMO, there's nothing inspirational about those guys.

Now, you might not like Bernie's policies (and I certainly don't agree with a bunch of them), and that's fair and fine, but we also need to call a spade a spade here.

I don’t get the authenticity bit all, either generally or specifically with Bernie, but that’s neither here nor there. And look, I hear you. Dear leader bragged about murdering people in the middle of NYC and nothing happened. I understand that people can just disregard sound bytes. But for all of that, Benghazi is still a talking point. “Her emails” is still a talking point. I don’t see why this is categorically any different than all of that crap.

[vy65]

I don't think that's really his point, to be fair. I think his point is that soundbites simply don't have the impact they once had. There's going to be undecided voters, but they won't make their decision over how Bernie feels about a remote country. I mean, Trump has shown bro-love to dictators in China and Russia, and CNN has been running that shit non-stop, and frankly, I don't think anybody cares outside of Spurs Homer, boutons and RG, tbh...

And sure, you can argue he didn't need to say that, or that he should've taken the 'safe' position, but I think if there's something lacking in the Dem party this day is somebody that's authentic. Everyone else in there has flip flopped left and right when called out, and much like Shillary, are super fake. IMO, there's nothing inspirational about those guys.

Now, you might not like Bernie's policies (and I certainly don't agree with a bunch of them), and that's fair and fine, but we also need to call a spade a spade here.

If you think Bernie is the only authentic candidate for the Dems, I’m curious to hear your thoughts on Warren.

[hater]

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his cold bloddedness is impressive

wish to see the day he debates Dump with same type of cool. it would be astounding to watch. praying for his health

[spurraider21]

I don’t get the authenticity bit all, either generally or specifically with Bernie, but that’s neither here nor there. And look, I hear you. Dear leader bragged about murdering people in the middle of NYC and nothing happened. I understand that people can just disregard sound bytes. But for all of that, Benghazi is still a talking point. “Her emails” is still a talking point. I don’t see why this is categorically any different than all of that crap.
for people who were never going to vote for her to begin with, tbh

[vy65]

for people who were never going to vote for her to begin with, tbh

Yeah I disagree. I think shit like that is part of what made her so unpalatable to middle of the road folks.

[Will Hunting]

I don’t get the authenticity bit all, either generally or specifically with Bernie, but that’s neither here nor there. And look, I hear you. Dear leader bragged about murdering people in the middle of NYC and nothing happened. I understand that people can just disregard sound bytes. But for all of that, Benghazi is still a talking point. “Her emails” is still a talking point. I don’t see why this is categorically any different than all of that crap.
The muh emails talking point only mattered because the FBI decided to reopen an investigation into her emails theee weeks before the election. Prior to that the emails had become ancient history in the news cycle. The Benghazi shit also never mattered to swing voters.

DJT successfully running to the left of Hillary on free trade hurt her most in the states that lost her the election.


If you think Bernie is the only authentic candidate for the Dems, I’m curious to hear your thoughts on Warren.
Warren was considered authentic until 2016. Her decision not to run in 2016 because she didn’t want to get in Hillary’s way rubbed a lot of people the wrong way (the Bernie movement would have never happened if she ran, Bernie flat out said he wanted her to run and only entered the race in 2016 once it became clear she wasn’t running). She’s had several blunders since then that didn’t help either.

[boutons_deux]

If Bernie wins, Liz could be Treasury sec where she could do deliver retribution to BigFinance, rebuild the CFPB, etc, etc.

[vy65]

Warren was considered authentic until 2016. Her decision not to run in 2016 because she didn’t want to get in Hillary’s way rubbed a lot of people the wrong way (the Bernie movement would have never happened if she ran, Bernie flat out said he wanted her to run and only entered the race in 2016 once it became clear she wasn’t running). She’s had several blunders since then that didn’t help either.

Let's not act like Bernie is being "authentic" either ...

"That was Bernie's position in 2016, that it should not got to the person who had a plurality. So, and remember, his last play was to superdelegates," Warren replied, referring to Sanders' failed 2016 efforts to force a contested Democratic convention. "So, the way I see this is you write the rules before you know where everybody stands, and then you stick with those rules."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/27/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-delegates-117821

[RandomGuy]

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Pretty good point, tbh.

[RandomGuy]

The muh emails talking point only mattered because the FBI decided to reopen an investigation into her emails theee weeks before the election. Prior to that the emails had become ancient history in the news cycle. The Benghazi shit also never mattered to swing voters.

DJT successfully running to the left of Hillary on free trade hurt her most in the states that lost her the election.


Warren was considered authentic until 2016. Her decision not to run in 2016 because she didn’t want to get in Hillary’s way rubbed a lot of people the wrong way (the Bernie movement would have never happened if she ran, Bernie flat out said he wanted her to run and only entered the race in 2016 once it became clear she wasn’t running). She’s had several blunders since then that didn’t help either.

Well put. I never really held her decision to stand by against her though. Her willingness to skewer the big banks vastly outweighs a lot of missteps in my mind.

[Spurtacular]

:lol That Dems sell debate tickets. It should be a lottery; but the rigging and all...

[Reck]

:lol That Dems sell debate tickets. It should be a lottery; but the rigging and all...

Debates are like any other political event. In some cases you have to pay an entrance fee.

You need tickets for rallies which are free as well. You can’t just show up at an event randomly.

[Spurtacular]

Debates are like any other political event. In some cases you have to pay an entrance fee.

You need tickets for rallies which are free as well. You can’t just show up at an event randomly.

We can debate logistics, but the issue is favoritism/rigging/playing to the beltway and not the people.

:lol Calling a $1750 ticket an "entrance fee".

[vy65]

Well put. I never really held her decision to stand by against her though. Her willingness to skewer the big banks vastly outweighs a lot of missteps in my mind.

I was ignorant on the subject, but from doing a little research, several outlets say that her decision not to run opened a lane for Bernie as opposed to not wanting to get in Hillary's way.

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/328699-warren-reveals-why-she-decided-against-running-for-president-in-2016

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2017/04/13/heres-why-elizabeth-warren-didnt-run-for-president-in-2016

In any event, Bernie's hypocrisy rubs me way worse.

[Reck]

We can debate logistics, but the issue is favoritism/rigging/playing to the beltway and not the people.

:lol Calling a $1750 ticket an "entrance fee".

Let me guess...most people in that audience weren’t just normal people. They were politicians and elite rich people.

The fact they were cheerleading for Bloomberg every time he talked is kind of a giveaway, derp.

[Spurtacular]

Let me guess...most people in that audience weren’t just normal people. They were politicians and elite rich people.

The fact they were cheerleading for Bloomberg every time he talked is kind of a giveaway, derp.

:lol This is no less brilliant than your $1750 entrance fee argument.

[ElNono]

If you think Bernie is the only authentic candidate for the Dems, I’m curious to hear your thoughts on Warren.

She’ll break under pressure. The fact her campaign is in shambles is because she tried to pivot.

What’s authentic about Bernie is that he’s been saying the same thing for years, whether people agree with it or not. It shows conviction above the partisan thème du jour.

[Spurtacular]

I was ignorant on the subject, but from doing a little research, several outlets say that her decision not to run opened a lane for Bernie as opposed to not wanting to get in Hillary's way.

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/328699-warren-reveals-why-she-decided-against-running-for-president-in-2016

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2017/04/13/heres-why-elizabeth-warren-didnt-run-for-president-in-2016

In any event, Bernie's hypocrisy rubs me way worse.

Those articles pretend Warren wasn't going to be Hillary Lite in 2016. Instead she's trying to be Bernie Lite in 2020. She had calculated that that along with Hillary's woman card would do it if the electorate went away from Biden; she was wrong.

[vy65]

She’ll break under pressure. The fact her campaign is in shambles is because she tried to pivot.

What’s authentic about Bernie is that he’s been saying the same thing for years, whether people agree with it or not. It shows conviction above the partisan thème du jour.

You don’t have problems with his pivot on delegates?

[Will Hunting]

You don’t have problems with his pivot on delegates?
What makes you think he pivoted in delegates, because Warren said he did? He was going to lose either way but the super delegates hurt him in 2016, they didn’t help him. The rule changes he fought for weakened the impact superdelegates have.

[Reck]

She’ll break under pressure. The fact her campaign is in shambles is because she tried to pivot.

What’s authentic about Bernie is that he’s been saying the same thing for years, whether people agree with it or not. It shows conviction above the partisan thème du jour.

Bias post.

You're looking past his own hypocrisy.

Warren showed flexibility and that made her an impure heathen. What a crime!

She should've waited until she showed her cards which is her fault. If you think Bernie won't have to shift his views even a little bit in the general you're fooling yourself.

[Spurs Homer]

Bias post.

You're looking past his own hypocrisy.

Warren showed flexibility and that made her an impure heathen. What a crime!

She should've waited until she showed her cards which is her fault. If you think Bernie won't have to shift his views even a little bit in the general you're fooling yourself.

Looks like Warren is your preferred candidate?

Mine too -

except she is not going to make it - and Bernie has the movement building and the writing is on the wall:
Bernie is the better bet to beat trump because of this movement/excitement -

but the Dem establishment is getting ready to screw the best candidate they have and give it to the DONORS darling -

either Biden or some other vanilla.

[spurraider21]

What makes you think he pivoted in delegates, because Warren said he did? He was going to lose either way but the super delegates hurt him in 2016, they didn’t help him. The rule changes he fought for weakened the impact superdelegates have.
he wanted to eliminate superdelegates. the eventual compromise was not having them vote in the first round. that doesnt mean he wanted that :lol

[ElNono]

You don’t have problems with his pivot on delegates?

I don’t think he did. I mean, he went straight to support Shillary once he was beat and played it fair and square. That doesn’t mean that the superdelegates system doesn’t smell corrupt, and it wasn’t just berniebros that were upset at that.

I’m not a BernieBro though, I won’t defend everything he does or says, tbh, but just compare him to the field right now, he’s the only one with any kind of convictions. The fact that Bloomer joined in the race makes the contrast even bigger, and I think it does work in Bernie’s favor

[ElNono]

Bias post.

You're looking past his own hypocrisy.

Warren showed flexibility and that made her an impure heathen. What a crime!

She should've waited until she showed her cards which is her fault. If you think Bernie won't have to shift his views even a little bit in the general you're fooling yourself.

I’m not into purity tests, I’m just pointing out what seems to be a desirable in this electorate.

Shillary is a reminder of what happens when you put unlikeable, low energy, career politicos out there. I don’t know why the Dems would like to do that again.

[picnroll]

What makes you think he pivoted in delegates, because Warren said he did? He was going to lose either way but the super delegates hurt him in 2016, they didn’t help him. The rule changes he fought for weakened the impact superdelegates have.

Come again. Bernie 2016. Little different than Bernie 2020.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/27/bernie_sanders_to_superdelegates_if_a_candidate_wi ns_your_state_by_40_or_50_points_who_are_you_going _to_give_your_vote_to.html

[ElNono]

I dont think Bernie will change his sales pitch, honestly. I don’t think it’s in him to do that.

[koriwhat]

I dont think Bernie will change his sales pitch, honestly. I don’t think it’s in him to do that.

his sales pitch is communism first and foremost. i hope the old fuck dies a rough death when his next heart attack strikes. :tu

[Reck]

i hope the old fuck dies a rough death when his next heart attack strikes. :tu

Not a calf tats post if he's not wishing death on somebody.

[DarrinS]

I dont think Bernie will change his sales pitch, honestly. I don’t think it’s in him to do that.


He's been pretty consistent over the years, other than his recent conversion to open borders.

[Will Hunting]

I was ignorant on the subject, but from doing a little research, several outlets say that her decision not to run opened a lane for Bernie as opposed to not wanting to get in Hillary's way.

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/328699-warren-reveals-why-she-decided-against-running-for-president-in-2016

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2017/04/13/heres-why-elizabeth-warren-didnt-run-for-president-in-2016

In any event, Bernie's hypocrisy rubs me way worse.
This is revisionist history by Warren. Bernie wanted her to run and only entered the race after Warren repeatedly said she wasn’t running. She also endorsed Clinton over Sanders so the idea that her not running was for the purpose of opening up a lane for Bernie makes no sense.

At the time she said she wasn’t running because she could “have more of an impact as a senator” but then when Clinton was choosing a running mate she was practically knocking on Clinton’s door begging to be VP, which makes no sense. If she was so worried about making a real impact as a senator then why the fuck would she want to be VP, a position that’s effectively a glorified cheerleader?

Her narrative for why she didn’t run has constantly evolved because she doesn’t want to admit there was a DNC directive to stay out of Clinton’s way and she was scared about what would happen to her political career if she ignored it.

To be fair it’s not just her who I think a lot of people think less of for not running in 2016. Biden, Sherrod Brown and Booker were all thought of as potential candidates and none of them ran out of fear of DNC blowback for getting in Clinton’s way. I also think any of those three mop the floor with Trump in 2016 if they ran.

[Will Hunting]

Come again. Bernie 2016. Little different than Bernie 2020.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/27/bernie_sanders_to_superdelegates_if_a_candidate_wi ns_your_state_by_40_or_50_points_who_are_you_going _to_give_your_vote_to.html
Put it in your own words like a big boy.

[picnroll]

Put it in your own words like a big boy.

Why? You don't like it from the horse’s mouth?

[Reck]

This is revisionist history by Warren. Bernie wanted her to run and only entered the race after Warren repeatedly said she wasn’t running. She also endorsed Clinton over Sanders so the idea that her not running was for the purpose of opening up a lane for Bernie makes no sense.

At the time she said she wasn’t running because she could “have more of an impact as a senator” but then when Clinton was choosing a running mate she was practically knocking on Clinton’s door begging to be VP, which makes no sense. If she was so worried about making a real impact as a senator then why the fuck would she want to be VP, a position that’s effectively a glorified cheerleader?

Her narrative for why she didn’t run has constantly evolved because she doesn’t want there was a DNC directive to stay out of Clinton’s way and she was scared about what would happen to her political career if she ignored it.

To be fair it’s not just her who I think a lot of people think less of for not running in 2016. Biden, Sherrod Brown and Booker were all thought of as potential candidates and none of them ran out of fear of DNC blowback for getting in Clinton’s way. I also think any of those three mop the floor with Trump in 2016 if they ran.

All true with the exception of Biden. I believe him when he says he chose not to run because his son had just died.

Guy cant go one town hall without breaking down in tears when he brings his son up to this day.

[Will Hunting]

he wanted to eliminate superdelegates. the eventual compromise was not having them vote in the first round. that doesnt mean he wanted that :lol
Right, that’s my point. He’s always wanted to do away with superdelegates. He does now and he did in 2016. I’m not sure how that’s a flip flop or an inconsistency.

[ElNono]

his sales pitch is communism first and foremost. i hope the old fuck dies a rough death when his next heart attack strikes. :tu

He just needs to live until December, tbh

[Will Hunting]

Why? You don't like it from the horse’s mouth?
I don’t see anything from Sanders’ mouth inconsistent with what he’s saying now - he’s always been of the viewpoint that there should be no superdelegates whatsoever.

Point me to the specific quote you’re saying is inconsistent with what he’s said this time around.

[picnroll]

Right, that’s my point. He’s always wanted to do away with superdelegates. He does now and he did in 2016. I’m not sure how that’s a flip flop or an inconsistency.

Maybe if he wanted to do away with super delegates he should have actually joined the party to influence the rules. He sure wasnt above trying to use them.

[Will Hunting]

Maybe if he wanted to do away with super delegates he should have actually joined the party to influence the rules. He sure wasnt above trying to use them.
He did influence the rules dumbass. Now superdelegates don’t cast their vote until all the primaries have happened when 4 years ago they cast their vote simultaneously with the primary in each state. That rule change was because of Bernie’s influence.

Better question is why are moderate Democrats ok with the concept of superdelegates at all. Shouldn’t the voters be able to pick the candidate themselves without party elites like that spear chucking baboon Donna Brazile having an outsized influence?

Still waiting for you to point out the quote showing him flip flop on delegates.

[ElNono]

He did influence the rules dumbass. Now superdelegates don’t cast their vote until all the primaries have happened when 4 years ago they cast their vote simultaneously with the primary in each state. That rule change was because of Bernie’s influence.

Better question is why are moderate Democrats ok with the concept of superdelegates at all. Shouldn’t the voters be able to pick the candidate themselves without party elites like that spear chucking baboon Donna Brazile having an outsized influence?

Still waiting for you to point out the quote showing him flip flop on delegates.

Honestly I see superdelegates as somewhat of a necessity to ensure party survival. It’s not difficult to see somebody that’s popular coopting a party. It’s a double edged sword for sure though, as it can easily be abused

[DMC]

Superdelegates good, EC bad.

[picnroll]

He did influence the rules dumbass. Now superdelegates don’t cast their vote until all the primaries have happened when 4 years ago they cast their vote simultaneously with the primary in each state. That rule change was because of Bernie’s influence.

Better question is why are moderate Democrats ok with the concept of superdelegates at all. Shouldn’t the voters be able to pick the candidate themselves without party elites like that spear chucking baboon Donna Brazile having an outsized influence?

Still waiting for you to point out the quote showing him flip flop on delegates.
... and the bitch will now whine about the current rules. Bernie’s another little demagogue who wants to ram his vision down everyone’s throat.

[Will Hunting]

... and the bitch will now whine about the current rules.
Maybe he does, but that’s different than him changing his stance like Pocahontas is claiming he did. His stance with respect to superdelegates has consistently been that they should go away completely.

[picnroll]

Maybe he does, but that’s different than him changing his stance like Pocahontas is claiming he did. His stance with respect to superdelegates has consistently been that they should go away completely.
Actually you are TOTALLY wrong. In 2018 Sanders helped write the current rules.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/democrats-vs-trump/democrats-strip-super-delegates-power-reform-caucuses-historic-move-n903866

... and he is a little two faced bitch.

[Will Hunting]

Actually you are TOTALLY wrong. In 2018 Sanders helped write the current rules.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/democrats-vs-trump/democrats-strip-super-delegates-power-reform-caucuses-historic-move-n903866

... and he is a little two faced botch.
Are you seriously so dense you don’t get the difference between compromising vs. getting what you want?

Sanders did what he could to mitigate the effect superdelegates have. It’s not like the party gave him the power to write whatever rules he wanted and it was his sole decision to make it so superdelegates continued to remain a part of the process. He was never going to get the DNC to completely do away with superdelegates, so he found a creative way to reduce their impact as much as possible. That’s not in any way a flip flop or inconsistency.

Read the article you linked. The superdelegates themselves were against any change at all, so the side that wanted change had to compromise.

[Chinook]

Are you seriously so dense you don’t get the difference between compromising vs. getting what you want?

Sanders did what he could to mitigate the effect superdelegates have. It’s not like the party gave him the power to write whatever rules he wanted and it was his sole decision to make it so superdelegates continued to remain a part of the process. He was never going to get the DNC to completely do away with superdelegates, so he found a creative way to reduce their impact as much as possible. That’s not in any way a flip flop or inconsistency.

Read the article you linked. The superdelegates themselves were against any change at all, so the side that wanted change had to compromise.

It's like thinking Obama wanted this nerfed and shitty version of the ACA because that's what got passed.

[Will Hunting]

It's like thinking Obama wanted this nerfed and shitty version of the ACA because that's what got passed.
:lol that’s exactly the comparison I was thinking of...this is the equivalent of Republicans who criticized Obama for passing a weak stimulus package that had very little immediate impact when it was the Republicans who weakened it in the first place.

[picnroll]

Are you seriously so dense you don’t get the difference between compromising vs. getting what you want?

Sanders did what he could to mitigate the effect superdelegates have. It’s not like the party gave him the power to write whatever rules he wanted and it was his sole decision to make it so superdelegates continued to remain a part of the process. He was never going to get the DNC to completely do away with superdelegates, so he found a creative way to reduce their impact as much as possible. That’s not in any way a flip flop or inconsistency.
Hi
Read the article you linked. The superdelegates themselves were against any change at all, so the side that wanted change had to compromise.
It said some were against a change. Wow, big shocker. Where does it say that Bernie didn’t like this proposal? Where does it say Bernie had an alternate proposal. Or are you just pulling these ideas out of your ass. I do see where Bernie approved, even praised the changes and now doesn’t support or approve them. Talk about dumb asses. Pocahontas is dead right in what she said and you’re dead wrong.

[Will Hunting]

It said some were against a change. Wow, big shocker. Where does it say that Bernie did like this proposal? Where does it say Bernie had an alternate proposal. Or are you just pulling these ideas out of your ass. I do see where Bernie approved, even praised the changes and now doesn’t support or approve them. Talk about dumb asses.
Bernie has said countless times that superdelegates shouldn’t exist to begin with. There was no point in formally proposing the elimination of superdelegates when that was never going to happen. The fact Bernie got the DNC, an organization that goes with the status quo as much as it possibly can, to make such a big change was a big accomplishment worth praise.

Are you seriously trying to argue that Bernie had the ability to remove superdelegates from the equation completely and voluntarily elected not to?

Its like Chinook said, Obama approved what was ultimately a shitty watered down ACA that didn’t include a public option or any substantive cost control because it was an improvement over the status quo, but according to your logic that means the ACA in its current form is exactly what Obama was pushing for all along even though the ACA he wanted was a lot different.

[picnroll]

Bernie has said countless times that superdelegates shouldn’t exist to begin with. There was no point in formally proposing the elimination of superdelegates when that was never going to happen. The fact Bernie got the DNC, an organization that goes with the status quo as much as it possibly can, to make such a big change was a big accomplishment worth praise.

Are you seriously trying to argue that Bernie had the ability to remove superdelegates from the equation completely and voluntarily elected not to?

Its like Chinook said, Obama approved what was ultimately a shitty watered down ACA that didn’t include a public option or any substantive cost control because it was an improvement over the status quo, but according to your logic that means the ACA in its current form is exactly what Obama was pushing for all along even though the ACA he wanted was a lot different.

CHICAGO — The Democratic National Committee is set to vote this weekend on a Bernie Sanders-backed plan to weaken the influence of superdelegates in what has become a contentious showdown between factions at a time when the party is trying to project unity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/democrats-vs-trump/democratic-unity-disrupted-battle-over-bernie-sanders-backed-super-delegate-n903606

“The reform package, pushed by DNC Chairman Tom Perez and allies of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, among others, passed overwhelmingly by voice vote at the DNC’s summer meeting here — two years after the process started.”

Warren’s 100% right in everything she said in spades. You’re totally wrong.

[Will Hunting]

CHICAGO — The Democratic National Committee is set to vote this weekend on a Bernie Sanders-backed plan to weaken the influence of superdelegates in what has become a contentious showdown between factions at a time when the party is trying to project unity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/democrats-vs-trump/democratic-unity-disrupted-battle-over-bernie-sanders-backed-super-delegate-n903606

“The reform package, pushed by DNC Chairman Tom Perez and allies of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, among others, passed overwhelmingly by voice vote at the DNC’s summer meeting here — two years after the process started.”

Warren’s 100% right in everything she said in spades. You’re totally wrong.
Once again, is it your contention that Bernie had the ability to completely remove superdelegates from the equation and voluntarily elected not to?

Those quotes about this being a “contentious showdown” only corroborate what I was saying. The Sanders supporters wanted X, the establishment superdelegates wanted Z, so they ended up with compromising on Y. This is how politics work.

[picnroll]

Once again, is it your contention that Bernie had the ability to completely remove superdelegates from the equation and voluntarily elected not to?

Those quotes about this being a “contentious showdown” only corroborate what I was saying. The Sanders supporters wanted X, the establishment superdelegates wanted Z, so they ended up with compromising on Y. This is how politics work.

And Bernie probably just wanted to be coronated socialist king of America too. Do you disagree that he agreed to, even had a large part in establishing a set of rules for the 2020 nomination process and now he things those rules shouldn’t apply? Do you disagree that everything Warren said is factual?

[Will Hunting]

And Bernie probably just wanted to be coronated socialist king of America too. Do you disagree that he agreed even had a large part in establishing a set of rules for the 2020 nomination process and now he things those rules shouldn’t apply? Do you disagree that everything Warren said is factual?
Answer my question first and then I’ll answer these.

[picnroll]

Answer my question first and then I’ll answer these.
I have searched and I can find no article where Sanders states a position on having no super delegates or proposing an alternative to super delegates in selecting a nominee where there is no clear cut majority candidate. Point me to one and I’ll believe you.

[Will Hunting]

And Bernie probably just wanted to be coronated socialist king of America too. Do you disagree that he agreed to, even had a large part in establishing a set of rules for the 2020 nomination process and now he things those rules shouldn’t apply? Do you disagree that everything Warren said is factual?
You’re never going to answer my question so just to further demonstrate how retarded you are:

1) I disagree that he “agreed to” the current set of rules. Just like all the other candidates, he’s subject to the set of rules eatablished by the DNC whether or not he likes them. The fact you are incapable of making the distinction between voluntarily agreeing with rules and being involuntarily subject to rules makes me wonder if you have temporal lobe damage.

To make a comparison that your very limited brain might be able to grasp, I have to dress business casual for work every day because it’s a rule I’m subject to as an employee of the company I work for. That doesn’t mean it was my decision or that I actively sought to make the rule requiring a certain dress code. If it were up to me I’d wear gym shorts and a t shirt every day, but since I want to earn a paycheck the same way Bernie wants to be president, I have to suck it up and play by the rules I don’t like.

2) I agree he’s of the personal opinion those rules shouldn’t apply just like he always has been.

3) Warren’s claim that Bernie was ever against the candidate who won by a plurality getting the nomination is false. He definitely tried making an appeal to super delegates at the end of the primary to create a contested convention but that doesn’t mean he agreed with the rules as they were written - he was simply doing everything he could to win. Trying to capitalize on rules as they’re written =/= agreeing with them.

[picnroll]

You’re never going to answer my question so just to further demonstrate how retarded you are:

1) I disagree that he “agreed to” the current set of rules. Just like all the other candidates, he’s subject to the set of rules eatablished by the DNC whether or not he likes them. The fact you are incapable of making the distinction between voluntarily agreeing with rules and being involuntarily subject to rules makes me wonder if you have temporal lobe damage.

To make a comparison that your very limited brain might be able to grasp, I have to dress business casual for work every day because it’s a rule I’m subject to as an employee of the company I work for. That doesn’t mean it was my decision or that I actively sought to make the rule requiring a certain dress code. If it were up to me I’d wear gym shorts and a t shirt every day, but since I want to earn a paycheck the same way Bernie wants to be president, I have to suck it up and play by the rules I don’t like.

2) I agree he’s of the personal opinion those rules shouldn’t apply just like he always has been.

3) Warren’s claim that Bernie was ever against the candidate who won by a plurality getting the nomination is false. He definitely tried making an appeal to super delegates at the end of the primary to create a contested convention but that doesn’t mean he agreed with the rules as they were written - he was simply doing everything he could to win. Trying to capitalize on rules as they’re written =/= agreeing with them.

I ask you to point to an article where Sanders states his opinion and you haven’t. He agreed to a set of rules, help write them and not doesn’t want to be held to them. Warren called him out. You’re either retarded, full of shit or both. Waste of time. Adios.

[Will Hunting]

I have searched and I can find no article where Sanders states a position on having no super delegates or proposing an alternative to super delegates in selecting a nominee where there is no clear cut majority candidate. Point me to one and I’ll believe you.
I didn’t ask you to believe me, I asked you to answer my question.

[koriwhat]

Not a calf tats post if he's not wishing death on somebody.

Not a tranny post if he's not crying about nothing once again. :cry


He just needs to live until December, tbh

hopefully he doesn't last til next week. :tu