Davis Bertans expected to draw 1st round picks for the Wizards

[playblair]

u can not make this ish up............our front office got taken to the woodshed again..........thanks brian wright unless we trade Demar and re sign Jakob, it's possible we will get less for Kawhi than they will get for Davis.


The Washington Wizards seemingly lucked their way into adding 6'10" three-point sniper Davis Bertans this summer.
The sharpshooter only became available once the San Antonio Spurs thought they needed cap space to sign Marcus Morris, who had an agreement to come to the Alamo City but later second-guessed it (https://www.mysanantonio.com/lifestyle/) and took a one-year, $15 million deal with the New York Knicks.
The Wizards' good fortune on the Bertans front has continued into the season. Powered by a career-high 27.8 minutes per game, he's posting personal bests almost across the board, including 3.1 threes per game and a 43.0-percent success rate on his long-range looks.
That combination of volume and accuracy is sure to draw attention around this shooting-crazed league, and it seems that's already taking place.
"Bertans is a difference-maker when it comes to his play on the court," a scout told ESPN's Bobby Marks (http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/28119689/the-underrated-nba-moves-making-biggest-impact). "Don't be surprised if teams are willing to give up a first-rounder for him closer to the deadline."
The 27-year-old sits 10th overall in threes per game, and his 43 percent splash rate ranks 12th (https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=FG3_PCT&dir=-1&CF=FG3M*GE*30&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals) among players with 30-plus triples. Any team with spacing concerns would be glad to grab him.
So why might the Wizards consider giving him up? Because they're going nowhere fast without John Wall this season, and Bertans isn't signed beyond it. While Washington could conceivably hope to keep him this summer, the reward of an extra first-rounder might be too enticing to pass up.

[slick'81]

Fckn horrible deal for the spurs. I mean other teams were clearly interested in davis but of course spurs dump him for absolutely nothing for a player they werent even sure was signing yet

[Yogatti]

Come to the Clippers :tu

[slick'81]

Dumb ass fucking FO. They hedged their bets on Forbes the cuck instead of Bertans. It was one or the other and Pops has a man crush on a 6'2 undersized nonexplosive 2 guard instead of a 6'10 agile bomber from deep


Bryn has two kids and davis only 1,priorities

[timvp]

Yeah, Bertans proving he's not a product of the Spurs system has to have his market value on the rise. He's basically putting up the same numbers he did in San Antonio (on a per possession basis) on a terrible team so other teams will know his skills are portable.

[8FOR!3]

Yeah, Bertans proving he's not a product of the Spurs system has to have his market value on the rise. He's basically putting up the same numbers he did in San Antonio (on a per possession basis) on a terrible team so other teams will know his skills are portable.

Not surprising, he's tall and got a quick trigger. He's a good athlete for his size too but he's a little awkward on defense.

I still don't blame the team for doing the trade bc what Marcus Morris did was unprecedented.

[r0drig0lac]

Yeah, Bertans proving he's not a product of the Spurs system has to have his market value on the rise. He's basically putting up the same numbers he did in San Antonio (on a per possession basis) on a terrible team so other teams will know his skills are portable.

since 2014 which players were product of the "Spurs system"?

[tbdog]

Not the Spurs fault. And Davis won't get a 1st.

[Genovaswitness]

PATFO :lmao

[Kurgan]

since 2014 which players were product of the "Spurs system"?

Mason, Neal, and currently Forbes.

[BacktoBasics]

Fckn horrible deal for the spurs. I mean other teams were clearly interested in davis but of course spurs dump him for absolutely nothing for a player they werent even sure was signing yet
This is the kind of disingenuous shit I’m tired of reading here. They had a verbal commitment and all the years of free agency that same verbal commitment has only fallen apart 3-4 times... just off the top of my head.

They made the right move and had what is considered to be a standard run of the mill commitment. The same as every 1st day signing out there. This was all on Morris and a complete lack of ethics.

[phxspurfan]

:lol all the people shitting on him this whole time. Now the L is seeing he's as good as advertised, if not better, given more minutes. Fuck this fanbase sometimes.

[slick'81]

This is the kind of disingenuous shit I’m tired of reading here. They had a verbal commitment and all the years of free agency that same verbal commitment has only fallen apart 3-4 times... just of the top of my head.

They made the right move and had what is considered to be a standard run of the mill commitment. The same as every 1st day signing out there. This was all on Morris and complete lack of ethics.


Of course but atleast they could of pryed away a second rounder u know for shits and giggles

[monty4329]

Funny how the same people that were hating Bertans on ST now miss him

[slick'81]

Funny how the same people that were hating Bertans on ST now miss him


Who hated davis? Everyone knew he "could"play but he wasnt going to play here under pop.My point is spurs sunk his value soo much he was no more then a salary dump when spurs should of atleast gotten some sort of asset/pick in return.Obviously morris was that percieved asset but oh well

[spurraider21]

Not surprising, he's tall and got a quick trigger. He's a good athlete for his size too but he's a little awkward on defense.

I still don't blame the team for doing the trade bc what Marcus Morris did was unprecedented.
he has solid one-direction athleticism. vertical jump, decent straight line burst. but anything involving lateral movement... he looks like a baby deer learning how to walk :lol

[SayTown]

He's still unplayable in the playoffs.

[DJR210]

Being a Spurs fan is taking years off my life

[Russ]

u can not make this ish up............our front office got taken to the woodshed again..........thanks brian wright unless we trade Demar and re sign Jakob, it's possible we will get less for Kawhi than they will get for Davis.

Great point!

Speaking of Kawhi . . .

Let's see, how did this bumbling FO get Bertans in the first place?

[Harry Callahan]

Speaking of Kawhi . . .

Let's see, how did this bumbling FO get Bertans in the first place?

Larry Bird passed up the opportunity to get a 19 YO #2 and add him to Paul George. A little perspective here please. Both guys were healthy nine years ago. THAT was a screwup. #2 quit on the Spurs.

[Degoat]

I feel like these articles are coming out just to try and attack the spurs because we’ve been so good for so long, between this and the Paul George thing appearing someone is after the spurs brass lol :lmao probably Stephen Jackson

[KayBee]

So, the ST consensus is we should get over the Leonard debacle. Move the thread downstairs, blah blah blah.
And rightfully so. That mess can't be undone, one way or the other. But then BS like this is constantly brought to the table here. The Bertans trade (and Morris reach) was a result of trying to fill one of the many holes left by #2's douchebaggery, albeit a year later.
So, now we should have kept Bertans because he filled a need? But if we had kept him, and he did fill that need, we wouldn't shop him during the upcoming deadline, so we wouldn't get a first rounder for him. None of this emo shit makes sense.
Just jump already, or move on. Jesus. F-ing. Christ.

[DAF86]

Not the Spurs fault. And Davis won't get a 1st.

All the contenders will be looking at Davis come deadline time. He's more than worth a late first round pick for teams with championship aspirations that are lacking that one piece.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i bet yah patfo will use the excuse, delivered 5 rings

yeh keep on living in the past wankers

[Chomag]

He's still unplayable in the playoffs.
So is the majority of the Spur's current roster

[duncan2150]

I don't think a team will give a first for Bertans

That's just big speculation

[RC_Drunkford]

Bertans has a lot of value cause he got Steph Curry range and is 6'10'', but PATFO rather wanted to keep Belinelli. Classic Flopovich move like keeping Gasol instead of Dedmon.

[poopbox]

Yeah, Bertans proving he's not a product of the Spurs system has to have his market value on the rise. He's basically putting up the same numbers he did in San Antonio (on a per possession basis) on a terrible team so other teams will know his skills are portable.

Why would anybody think Bertans was a product of the spurs system in the first place?

[timvp]

Why would anybody think Bertans was a product of the spurs system in the first place?

Look toward Memphis, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Look toward Memphis, tbh.

Yeah, but shooting tends to be a skill that travels well. Kyle was always a “fringe” nba player without that shot development even inside the Spurs system.

[MultiTroll]

I don't think a team will give a first for Bertans

That's just big speculation
Timing.
If a contending team has a need before the deadline he will garner a 1st.
Also speculating.

[MultiTroll]

Pretty funny if he goes to the Clippers or Lakers and does well.

[BatManu20]

Will you fucks at least wait til he’s actually traded for a 1st round pick to start bitching? It’s literally just speculation

[poopbox]

Look toward Memphis, tbh.

IMO Pop ruined Kyle because every little mistake he made he took him out the game and yelled at him about it...to the point that Kyle just became obsessed about not screwing up...which in turn made him play timid...and he has never and won't ever come out of that...sort of like what he starting to do to Dejounte...but I feel like Dejounte would eventually pull a Kawhi and just bounce instead of sit at the end of the bench in near tears like Kyle did...

Kyle skills also kind of demand he play the uber big point guard position ala Ben Simmons...something the spurs were never going to let him do with parker mills and murray on the team...something memphis is never going to let him do with Ja Morant on the team...

Bertans is 6 "10" with a quick release and doesn't really want to do anything on the floor other than shoot 3's...he would fit seamlessly in virtually any nba offense...he even fit into our ultra conservative archaic offense...

Now...you probably won't be able to play him much in the playoffs because he is so bad defensively and so physically weak...but there isn't a team in the nba who he wouldn't help offensively...it's weird to me anybody would think otherwise...

Maybe if #beckywiththegoodplays was the coach Kyle would have turned out better...the only time I saw him look like a good nba player was when Becky was coaching him in summer league...

I can easily see a fringe playoff team giving up a top 20 protected pick for Bertans...I could easily so Orlando making a deal like this to help their anemic offense and the Wizards end up getting the protected 1st round pick we should have gotten but as usual our front offices balls were to small to actually trade a player like demar who needs to be traded...

[TimmyBuckets]

Spurs just keep getting fucked.

[Maddog]

Well, yeah a late 1st rounder maybe
The Spurs have him up for a player who is more than that.
In recent years, I can only think of one other who reneged on an agreement.

[Genovaswitness]

damn the spurs should’ve worked harder to keep kawhi..

[r0drig0lac]

bertans onfire against the hornets 5-7 3pt in 13 min

[playblair]

bertans onfire against the hornets 5-7 3pt in 13 min

:drunk

[timvp]

IMO Pop ruined Kyle

:lol Pop ruined Kyle to the tune of $38 million.

[poopbox]

:lol Pop ruined Kyle to the tune of $38 million.

Same team that gave Parsons that money after Cuban said he wouldn't pay Parsons cause his knees were shot tbh..

[Poolboy5623]

Good for him...I'm glad he was able to get away from this shit show and go somewhere he's actually appreciated.

[tbdog]

All the contenders will be looking at Davis come deadline time. He's more than worth a late first round pick for teams with championship aspirations that are lacking that one piece.

Teams aren't giving a 1st for a 3 month specialist. Unless someone offers a poor contract which cost a 1st
Even Tyrek Evans who was avg 20ppg wasn't fetching a 1st.

[anon]

Bud will want him but LDN will also be on the horn trying to recruit him to Hollywood, on Bron's orders.

[tb5]

Spurs should fix the clusterf*ck of this summer and try to get Bertans back. It wouldn’t be a bad thing. Otherwise let’s just blow it up if this record gets much worse and tank for a somewhat high draft pick lottery permitting
unless a decent 3 and D player can be had. It’s not like Bertans was this all world player but he was an important cog in what they do.

[SAGirl]

since 2014 which players were product of the "Spurs system"?
Great point. I don’t think this system does anybody favors.

[SAGirl]

Yeah, but shooting tends to be a skill that travels well. Kyle was always a “fringe” nba player without that shot development even inside the Spurs system.
He has been the same player there that he was in the Spurs tbh. If anything his shooting has gotten worse bc of his shoulder injury and he’s still a positive defensively even when the Grizzlies bench doesn’t have a proper center/rim protector and the team as a whole is terrible defensively.

[DAF86]

Teams aren't giving a 1st for a 3 month specialist. Unless someone offers a poor contract which cost a 1st
Even Tyrek Evans who was avg 20ppg wasn't fetching a 1st.

If Kurt Thomas was worth a first back in the days, then Bertans is worth one too.

[monty4329]

bertans onfire against the hornets 5-7 3pt in 13 min

Some here keep saying we don't need 3pt shooters

[tomtom]

jfc

[tbdog]

If Kurt Thomas was worth a first back in the days, then Bertans is worth one too.

Different time. Mid to late 1st round contracts are bargains for 4 years in an era where contracts are expensive.

[exstatic]

He's still unplayable in the playoffs.

He gets bullied n the post, beaten offthe dribble, and only has one skill, the 3 pointer. If I’m an owner, and my GM gives up a first rounder for Davis, I’m firing him. I like the kid, and he can space the floor, but he’s only a role player.

[Gagnrath]

He gets bullied n the post, beaten offthe dribble, and only has one skill, the 3 pointer. If I’m an owner, and my GM gives up a first rounder for Davis, I’m firing him. I like the kid, and he can space the floor, but he’s only a role player.

A role player that can guard 2 spots effectively.... and give you 12 points in 15 minutes.... seems like that is better than most mid first rounders turn out.

[DAF86]

He gets bullied n the post, beaten offthe dribble, and only has one skill, the 3 pointer. If I’m an owner, and my GM gives up a first rounder for Davis, I’m firing him. I like the kid, and he can space the floor, but he’s only a role player.

Hahahaha stop sniffing son. Bertans is a damn good player, who has proven to be way above average in terms of impact every season he played in the NBA. We would kill to have him right now. But, then again, Pop would probably only play him around 18 minutes per game.

[BSfromTX]

Funny how the same people that were hating Bertans on ST now miss him



This

[Maddog]

A role player that can guard 2 spots effectively.... and give you 12 points in 15 minutes.... seems like that is better than most mid first rounders turn out.

If they can guard two spots and give 12 in 15 minutes you might really get some assets
However, not many of those around

[exstatic]

If Kurt Thomas was worth a first back in the days, then Bertans is worth one too.

On July 20, 2007, Thomas, along with the Suns' first-round draft choices in 2008 and 2010, was traded by the Suns to the Seattle SuperSonics (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_SuperSonics) in exchange for a conditional second-round draft choice and an $8 million trade exception.[8] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Thomas_(basketball)#cite_note-8)
Phoenix SENT two first rounders WITH KT, and received a critical second in return. If you’re going to
act like you know shit, it might help if you maybe knew at Least a little shit.

[DAF86]

On July 20, 2007, Thomas, along with the Suns' first-round draft choices in 2008 and 2010, was traded by the Suns to the Seattle SuperSonics (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_SuperSonics) in exchange for a conditional second-round draft choice and an $8 million trade exception.[8] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Thomas_(basketball)#cite_note-8)
Phoenix SENT two first rounders WITH KT, and received a critical second in return. If you’re going to
act like you know shit, it might help if you maybe knew at Least a little shit.

Oh, the irony. :lol

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=3255661


SAN ANTONIO -- The San Antonio Spurs acquired veteran forward Kurt Thomas from the Seattle SuperSonics on Wednesday night for guard Brent Barry, center Francisco Elson and a 2009 first-round draft pick.

Now go sit in the corner with your mouth shut and think about how you shouldn't try to talk shit to people who is clearly more inteligent than you, tbh.

[JeffDuncan]

Just because the Spurs gave up a 1st for Thomas, that doesn't mean he was really worth one.

[JeffDuncan]

I'm watching a little of the Kings vs Wizards. Especially, watching Bertans try to play defense. He still looks the same. Let's just say "not good" and leave it at that.

[Russ]

Some here keep saying we don't need 3pt shooters

Some here keep saying 3-point shooters should be primarily evaluated on their defense . . .

[DAF86]

I'm watching a little of the Kings vs Wizards. Especially, watching Bertans try to play defense. He still looks the same. Let's just say "not good" and leave it at that.

+4 on a game where his team lost by 7. For the season, he's +10.5 (the Wizards score 3.4 pts more when he's on the court and allow 7.3 pts less on D). Those numbers are on par with the type of positive impact he has provided during his entire NBA career. So, yeah, I would say his defense and overall play have been just as fine as always, which is pretty damn good for a 3pt role playing specialist.

This is why advanced stats exist, tbh: to not let personal bias or a subjective view get in the way of reality when assessing a player's contribution.

[MannyIsGod]

since 2014 which players were product of the "Spurs system"?

Jonathan Simmons. Kyle Anderson.

[MI21]

Oh, the irony. :lol

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=3255661



Now go sit in the corner with your mouth shut and think about how you shouldn't try to talk shit to people who is clearly more inteligent than you, tbh.

:lol

[JeffDuncan]

+4 on a game where his team lost by 7. ...

Say what? His team LOST??? They had Bertans and they LOST??? Imagine having Bertans and LOSING. How on earth did that happen?


So, yeah, I would say his defense and overall play have been just as fine as always, ...

If you say his defense is "fine" any rational person would say you've got a head full of chicken feathers. Or chicken something.


This is why advanced stats exist, ....

Yeah. To give morons a chance to argue about a losing player on a losing team with a losing record as though he was worth something.

You speak of reality. You should try it sometime.

Guy, Bertans shoots 3s. That is what he does. And that's nice. But when you start trying to argue that he can play defense you have just gone fliptop insane.

[JeffDuncan]

Yeah he just shoots 3s.

12 6 2
20 8 4
21 5 4
15 8 3

That type of production for a 6th man is really good for any team
In this league especially for a player who doesn’t take 20 shots per game like Lou. And unless I’m reading wrong it looks like he’s actually rebounding and getting as many or even more assists in games than Dejounte, White, or Forbes get.

I say that Bertans is a lousy defender, which he is of course, and we end up with you saying he has more assists than Forbes.

The Coyote has more assists than Forbes. Almost.

It's going to he a wacky holiday season. I can tell already.

[exstatic]

Oh, the irony. :lol

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=3255661



Now go sit in the corner with your mouth shut and think about how you shouldn't try to talk shit to people who is clearly more inteligent than you, tbh.

Sat in the corner for the rest of the day as a penalty for not reading down one more entry on his transactions, and of course, it would be US that paid the first rounder for him. Hard to remember that we almost never kept and used our 1st round picks back then. The very next year was when they started the draft and develop plan with GHill.

[DAF86]

Say what? His team LOST??? They had Bertans and they LOST??? Imagine having Bertans and LOSING. How on earth did that happen?


Because the rest of the team sucks as a whole? It wouldn't be the first time that a good player loses on a bad team. That's how team sports work, tbh. Just ask Lebron last season.


If you say his defense is "fine" any rational person would say you've got a head full of chicken feathers. Or chicken something.

His defense is more than fine for a 3pt shooting role player. Infinitely better than other 3pt shooting specialist like Bellinelli, Forbes and Mills. That's why his team allows 7.3 pts less on D when he's on the floor, tbh.


Yeah. To give morons a chance to argue about a losing player on a losing team with a losing record as though he was worth something.

You speak of reality. You should try it sometime.

Ok, no, let's just take your word for anything basketball related. Who needs actual numbers and evidence when we have your opinion, son? :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

Say what? His team LOST??? They had Bertans and they LOST??? Imagine having Bertans and LOSING. How on earth did that happen?


Aw hell... they putting estrogen in the water supply again?


Here's a fun idea, boys and girls: Let's wait to see if someone actually gives up a first round pick for Bertans, before we melt down about it. And even if that happens, let's see if it's so heavily protected that it turns into a 2nd round pick in 2022 or something.

[DAF86]

Bertans is averaging 13 ppg, 4.6 rpg and 2 apg on 64 TS%.

Just for context, Korver averaged 12 ppg, 4.1 rpg and 2.6 apg on 69 TS% when he was selected to the all-star game.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Bertans is averaging 13 ppg, 4.6 rpg and 2 apg on 64 TS%.

Just for context, Korver averaged 12 ppg, 4.1 rpg and 2.6 apg on 69 TS% when he was selected to the all-star game.


With respect - Korver was a starter, playing almost 33 MPG. Before the ASB, he was shooting 52% from 3P, and had a TS% of .731.

That was really a historic season by Korver. He finished the season with 911 points, a TS% of .699, and a 3P% of .492. The closest anyone has come to that is Steph in 2018 - he had a 3P% of .423 and a TS% of .675. I don't deny that Bertans is putting up good numbers. But Korver was hands-down an All Star that season, and Bertans isn't anywhere near that.

Atlanta traded him to Cleveland for 2 players and a first round pick. The pick was protected, and did not convey. And that's one of my points from earlier. A pick that is protected and doesn't convey doesn't really help the team at all (unless they can package it in a trade and it becomes someone else's problem.)

[DAF86]

With respect - Korver was a starter, playing almost 33 MPG. Before the ASB, he was shooting 52% from 3P, and had a TS% of .731.

That was really a historic season by Korver. He finished the season with 911 points, a TS% of .699, and a 3P% of .492. The closest anyone has come to that is Steph in 2018 - he had a 3P% of .423 and a TS% of .675. I don't deny that Bertans is putting up good numbers. But Korver was hands-down an All Star that season, and Bertans isn't anywhere near that.

Atlanta traded him to Cleveland for 2 players and a first round pick. The pick was protected, and did not convey. And that's one of my points from earlier. A pick that is protected and doesn't convey doesn't really help the team at all (unless they can package it in a trade and it becomes someone else's problem.)

I'm not saying Bertans deserves an all-star nod, tbh. I was just comparing his stats to an all-star so that some folks realize just how well Davis is doing right now. Some still seem to think that he is a borderline rotational scrub when, in fact, he would be a very important role player for any contender. Probably even a top 5 minutes getter and closing-lineup player. That's definitely worth a late first round pick for a team with championship aspirations. The type of first round pick contenders get, tbh.

[DAF86]

A team like the Rockets would love to have Bertans on it's roster. Under D'antoni, Davis would probably get 35 minutes and 12 3pt attemps per game.

[Maddog]

A team like the Rockets would love to have Bertans on it's roster. Under D'antoni, Davis would probably get 35 minutes and 12 3pt attemps per game.

Would fit defensively

[ZeusWillJudge]

A team like the Rockets would love to have Bertans on it's roster. Under D'antoni, Davis would probably get 35 minutes and 12 3pt attemps per game.


Can't argue with that one bit. Bertans would be a terror on Houston.

I knew what you were saying about the Korver comment. Just happened that I knew about that season of Korver's. Mostly I was pointing out that he got traded for a first round pick that turned out not to be a pick at all. I don't think anyone is going to give up a first round pick for Bertans, personally. If they do, it's going to be one of those heavily protected picks that turn into a second-rounder. He's a good player, especially this year, and he's got trade value. But this thread goes too far.

[SpurSpike]

Bertans is valuable, he is tall and can shoot the 3 lights out. In a league where 3 point shooting is at a premium and defense is basically outlawed I would not be at all surprised to see him bring in a late 1st round pick.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Meh....he can shoot the open 3 until the playoffs start and teams actually start defending the 3 point line. That said, I'd take him over about half of our sad roster this season.

[DAF86]

Can't argue with that one bit. Bertans would be a terror on Houston.

I knew what you were saying about the Korver comment. Just happened that I knew about that season of Korver's. Mostly I was pointing out that he got traded for a first round pick that turned out not to be a pick at all. I don't think anyone is going to give up a first round pick for Bertans, personally. If they do, it's going to be one of those heavily protected picks that turn into a second-rounder. He's a good player, especially this year, and he's got trade value. But this thread goes too far.

-Indiana traded a fucking 15th overall pick for George Hill.
-The Spurs traded a first round pick for Kurt Thomas.
-The Rockets traded a first round pick to get Lou Williams.
-The Spurs traded not 1 but 2 first round picks for fucking Nazr Mohammed (although, to be fair, part of the paid price was to dump Malik Rose's salary).
-Thunder traded a first round pick to get Dion Waiters.
-The Pelicans traded a first round pick to get Omer fucking Asik of all people.

And the list goes on and on. Teams are more than willing to give up late first round picks for high end role players that, they think, will fit their squads and help them win now, tbh.

[JeffDuncan]

...
His defense is more than fine for a 3pt shooting role player. ...


Guy, he SUCKS as a defender, and if you say otherwise it only means your poptop is loose and all your fizzy leaked out. As t'were.

The Wizards were not interested in Bertans because of his defense, chicken noodle.

You. Know. That.

[JeffDuncan]

Aw hell... they putting estrogen in the water supply again?

The way Bertans plays defense you'd think they are in D.C.

[DAF86]

Guy, he SUCKS as a defender, and if you say otherwise it only means your poptop is loose and all your fizzy leaked out. As t'were.

The Wizards were not interested in Bertans because of his defense, chicken noodle.

You. Know. That.

Of course nobody goes and gets Bertans for his defense, but the truth is that for a guy that is selected for his 3pt shooting, his defense is an unexpected bonus. On every single season he has played in the NBA, so far, his teams allow less pts when he is on the floor. If he "SUCKED" as much as you say on defense, these metrics wouldn't be possible. One fluke season can happen. Two? Maaaaybe. 4 in a row? Not a chance in hell. Evidently Bertans isn't as shitty on defense as you think he is.

Don't you say that you are a coach of some sort (or maybe I'm confusing you with another guy)? You should start paying more attention to advanced metrics, tbh.

[JeffDuncan]

Of course nobody goes and gets Bertans for his defense, ...

So far so good...



...but the truth is that for a guy that is selected for his 3pt shooting, his defense is an unexpected bonus. ...


And then right in the middle of the sentence you lost your mind.

His defense is not a "bonus." His defense is a vaudeville act. When somebody drives on him he runs backwards holding his arms up, all to way to the basket, and they make a layup over him.

You don't even know who Bertans is, do you? You couldn't point him out in a team lineup.

But feel free to tell me Bertans is a better defender than Forbes, like saying that will make you look smart. Go ahead.

[DAF86]

Ok, whatever dude. :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

-The Rockets traded a first round pick to get Lou Williams.



I know you have a big long list, but keep it simple: if you don't understand the difference between Bertans and Lou Williams, there's nothing I want to talk to you about.

[DAF86]

I know you have a big long list, but keep it simple: if you don't understand the difference between Bertans and Lou Williams, there's nothing I want to talk to you about.

What's the difference between Bertans and Omer Asik, tbh?

[GreekSpursfan]

Bertans and 1st round pick do not belong in the same sentence.

[SayTown]

A team like the Rockets would love to have Bertans on it's roster. Under D'antoni, Davis would probably get 35 minutes and 12 3pt attemps per game.
The Rockets signed Ryan Anderson a couple years ago and it was a failure because like Bertans they found out he can't be played big minutes in the playoffs.

[Kurgan]

The Rockets signed Ryan Anderson a couple years ago and it was a failure because like Bertans they found out he can't be played big minutes in the playoffs.

Playoffs is the last thing Spurs should be worried about right now :lol

[JeffDuncan]

He has more assists or as many as both our others guards do as well. But its nice to know you know how to evaluate players and their worth lol

I know damn sure Bertans is a lousy defender, spunky. Lol

And so do you.

[DAF86]

This is what Bertans could have been doing for us on a pretty consistent basis if he was ever given the minutes and the confidence:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Xl8z9bZUY&app=desktop

[Mugen]

Davis is a baller, Spurfan still can't admit it.

[ceperez]

This is what Bertans could have been doing for us on a pretty consistent basis if he was ever given the minutes and the confidence:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Xl8z9bZUY&app=desktop

So sad... traded away for nothing.

[BlackAndWhite]

This guy really did give us 48 wins

[DAF86]

This guy really did give us 48 wins

He's the only one missing from last season's team, tbh. Makes you wonder.

[DAF86]

BTW, Wizards just won. Davis ended with 16, 4 and 3 in 27 minutes.

[RC_Drunkford]

I mean I don't think anybody here thought Bertans should've been shipped out. It was pretty clear the Spurs should've moved Belinelli. It's another genius Flopovich move

[timtonymanu]

Glad for Davis. He would still be getting neutered here so Pop could play “his guys” more. And he’s getting a bigger role on a better team in the NBA.

[phxspurfan]

Yeah, I'm also glad he's on a better team now. Fuck this team

[playblair]

playblair was right again..............celtics just traded a first for bertans..................brian wright is a fooking shite gm

[emanueldavidginobili]

playblair (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=34893) was right again..............celtics just traded a first for bertans..................brian wright is a fooking shite gm
No they didn’t what’re you talking about