I just found out that Jonathan Simmons is out of the league

[Yogatti]

https://section215.com/2019/08/04/philadelphia-76ers-jonathon-simmons-tbt/

Pretty sad. How can a athletic 6'6'' guard struggle to find a place in today's NBA


Ultimately there is no reason to feel bad for him, he got greedy and forced his way out of San Antonio because he was more interested in getting paid then continuing to build on what he had accomplished in the underdog role. He got paid by Orlando and hasn't really played well enough to justify that contract since...

Interesting....I wonder if J-Simmons would've made more money if he stayed with the Spurs.

[BlackAndWhite]

He was terrible

[BillMc]

Good find! :toast

Didn't know that either.

What's sadder is how many on ST thought he was the second-coming of Jordan.

[Leetonidas]

:cry b-b-but spurs should have kept him :cry

[MoSpur02]

Rather have the Juice than Belinelli.

[DAF86]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269628&highlight=have+you+realized+just+how+awful+simmons +numbers+are

Those of us who know, know. Those of you who don't, don't.

[Russ]

One less PATFO "blunder" for people here to bellyache about . . .

[exstatic]

Scrub who the Spurs placed in a position to show just enough to get paid. He was as developed as he was ever going to be at that age, but Orlando thought there was still more. They were wrong.

[Genovaswitness]

should’ve kept him. he’d be better than belinelli

[sasaint]

I hope he was smart with his money. I enjoyed rooting for him.

[Dejounte]

Lonnie is made from the same cloth. He will be out of the league not too long from now too.

[EasyMoney]

Left San Antonio to put up empty stats in Orlando. Declined LeBron's offer to play him with in Cleveland, guaranteed trip to the finals. Amazing.

[BWS-1994]

Left San Antonio to put up empty stats in Orlando. Declined LeBron's offer to play him with in Cleveland, guaranteed trip to the finals. Amazing.

Glad that he got paid though. But yeah, turning Lebron down was a head scratcher...

[BillMc]

Didn't he have like a million kids? Hope he was smart with his money for their sake.

[DPG21920]

He was not an nba player outside of the Spurs system, but really happy for him that he had his moment in the sun and made money for his family. It was one of the cooler stories you will ever see with how it all happened.

[cd98]

Dude earned his way onto a Spurs roster. Then he got offered more money to play in Orlando. Guys like him need to get that guaranteed money quickly because they have no promise they will be in the league long term.

[jermaine]

I think Pop told him to leave San Antonio to get paid as much as he could.

[K...]

Another testimony to the greatness of ginobilli and Kyle Anderson

[wildbill2u]

Scrub who the Spurs placed in a position to show just enough to get paid. He was as developed as he was ever going to be at that age, but Orlando thought there was still more. They were wrong.

I kinda liked his play, but realized he was probably at his ceiling opportunity with the Spurs==and he realized it too. He had an opportunity to cash in on his play with the Spurs and made more money than staying here. All sentiment aside, he made the right decision at his age to cash in on a brief window of opportunity. Good for him.

[FkLA]

I don't get why he's being talked about like he was some sort of scrub. He was talented. Athletic, could attack the basket, ran the pnr well, had a midrange game, was developing a 3pt shot in his last year in SA, had defensive potential (his D on Harden in the playoffs was a glimpse).

It's not like he lacked talent and the Spurs system hid it. I think what he needed was the structure here. Doesn't seem like the most mature or smartest guy. He'd probably be starting at SG right now if had stayed, imo.

But he made his choice and it wasn't the right one, tbh.

[DAF86]

I don't get why he's being talked about like he was some sort of scrub. He was talented. Athletic, could attack the basket, ran the pnr well, had a midrange game, was developing a 3pt shot in his last year in SA, had defensive potential (his D on Harden in the playoffs was a glimpse).

It's not like he lacked talent and the Spurs system hid it. I think what he needed was the structure here. Doesn't seem like the most mature or smartest guy. He'd probably be starting at SG right now if had stayed, imo.

But he made his choice and it wasn't the right one, tbh.

He was a classic example of style over substance. He made some spectacular dunks, he had some flashy attacks to the basket, he looked like he tried on defense, but at no point of his career did any of that resulted on positive impact on the basketball court.

He played 4 seasons in the NBA, he never posted positive impact numbers on any of them. Neither in offense nor defense. He was just very mediocre. His only average (or above average) NBA skill was athleticism.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Interesting....I wonder if J-Simmons would've made more money if he stayed with the Spurs.


He likely would have made less. I don't know about any "offer" to come play with LeBron, but Simmons did the right thing for him and his family in getting paid. That was a once in a lifetime opportunity for a guy like him. The guy had to pay for his own audition in Austin FFS, and he got almost $14M in total salary from his time in the league. If the Spurs had made him available at the start of free agency that year, he might have gotten double that. I think the Spurs were going to try to keep him on the cheap, but that was the year of the real salary cap craziness. I could almost guarantee that the Spurs would have only partially guaranteed him for years 2 and 3. As it is, he got 2 full years and a partial for this year.

What the article doesn't mention is that he was pretty good that first year in Orlando, and started something like 50 games. He got hurt the next year, and was really never the same. The guy that played in Orlando that first year would have been a good addition to the roster at the right price. You guys talking like he would have been bad for the team are full of shit. If he played like he did that first year in Orlando, the Spurs would be lucky to have him right now - especially compared to Beli.

Whoever it was above who said he went to "chase empty stats" in Orlando, GTFO. A guy who had to pay for his own audition found a way to get paid $14M. There's not a person here who wouldn't chase empty stats for that kind of payday. Good for him.

[r0drig0lac]

I don't get why he's being talked about like he was some sort of scrub. He was talented. Athletic, could attack the basket, ran the pnr well, had a midrange game, was developing a 3pt shot in his last year in SA, had defensive potential (his D on Harden in the playoffs was a glimpse).

It's not like he lacked talent and the Spurs system hid it. I think what he needed was the structure here. Doesn't seem like the most mature or smartest guy. He'd probably be starting at SG right now if had stayed, imo.

But he made his choice and it wasn't the right one, tbh.

good post

[ZeusWillJudge]

Neither in offense nor defense. He was just very mediocre.


Half the league is mediocre, if you're comparing to the rest of the players. Pretty much by definition. The ones who are better than mediocre get paid a LOT more than the $875K he made in his second season here.

[RD2191]

He's better than 80% of our roster tbh

[koriwhat]

Rather have the Juice than Belinelli.

:tu

[DAF86]

He likely would have made less. I don't know about any "offer" to come play with LeBron, but Simmons did the right thing for him and his family in getting paid. That was a once in a lifetime opportunity for a guy like him. The guy had to pay for his own audition in Austin FFS, and he got almost $14M in total salary from his time in the league. If the Spurs had made him available at the start of free agency that year, he might have gotten double that. I think the Spurs were going to try to keep him on the cheap, but that was the year of the real salary cap craziness. I could almost guarantee that the Spurs would have only partially guaranteed him for years 2 and 3. As it is, he got 2 full years and a partial for this year.

What the article doesn't mention is that he was pretty good that first year in Orlando, and started something like 50 games. He got hurt the next year, and was really never the same. The guy that played in Orlando that first year would have been a good addition to the roster at the right price. You guys talking like he would have been bad for the team are full of shit. If he played like he did that first year in Orlando, the Spurs would be lucky to have him right now - especially compared to Beli.

Whoever it was above who said he went to "chase empty stats" in Orlando, GTFO. A guy who had to pay for his own audition found a way to get paid $14M. There's not a person here who wouldn't chase empty stats for that kind of payday. Good for him.

Simmons that year - OBPM: -1.0 DBPM: -1.3 BPM: -2.3 VORP: - 0.2

One would think that the guy could have at least posted positive metrics in at least one category during his career year, but nop.

[DAF86]

Half the league is mediocre, if you're comparing to the rest of the players. Pretty much by definition. The ones who are better than mediocre get paid a LOT more than the $875K he made in his second season here.

You are right. I should correct myself: he was just bad.

[lmbebo]

He got his money. Hopefully he still has some left.

[ChumpDumper]

Simmons could always show flashes of really good play on offense and defense. He could just never pull it together with any consistency and couldn't be relied upon to perform at a certain level. Frustrating, but a cool story how he got in the league and got paid.

[KobesAchilles]

Take the 14 mil and run homie. Don’t ever look back.
but the dude was a scrub. We have enough iso midrange cancers on our team, don’t need another
Hes part of the positive that PATFO did by getting rid of tbh. Him, Dedmon, (injured) Golden god, Fathead. Hopefully next is Marco and LMA

[Atl Spur]

Lonnie is made from the same cloth. He will be out of the league not too long from now too.

I’ll take this bet......how much you want to lose? I’m waiting homie.....

[exstatic]

Lonnie is made from the same cloth. He will be out of the league not too long from now too.

Lonnie was 19 when drafted. JSimms was 24 when he signed with the Toros, and 26 when he signed with the Spurs. That's a big fucking difference. Not saying that Lonnie will pan out, but he's already a better player than JSimms.

[TDMVPDPOY]

he is one of the reason why kawhi left for greener pastures, when u build a roster around him and the chemistry clicked, then u go an lowball those guys...fck patfo can go eat a dick

he should go join the clippers or lakers
all current former spurs players in the league roster>>>current spurs roster

[ZeusWillJudge]

Simmons that year - OBPM: -1.0 DBPM: -1.3 BPM: -2.3 VORP: - 0.2

One would think that the guy could have at least posted positive metrics in at least one category during his career year, but nop.


"Bu..bu..but...advanced stats! What about the advanced stats?"

The best VORP on the Spurs whole damn roster right now is Aldridge at 0.5. Aldridge's DBPM is -0.1 this year, while Simmons had a DBPM of 0.9 in his second year here. Tim's advanced stats were all lower in '14 than they were in '15. Do you think Tim was better in '15 than he was in the Championship run? The team has a lot to do with those numbers, Skippy. You can't look at them in a vacuum.

Advanced stats are like scissors or matches - children should not be allowed to play with them. But there's just no stopping it.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Simmons could always show flashes of really good play on offense and defense. He could just never pull it together with any consistency and couldn't be relied upon to perform at a certain level. Frustrating, but a cool story how he got in the league and got paid.


:tu Perfect.

[timvp]

Simmons is on the wrong side of 30. Considering he was an NBA player at all due to athleticism, it's no surprise his NBA days are over now.

Hell of a story, though. He turned $150 into $14,000,000.

[DAF86]

"Bu..bu..but...advanced stats! What about the advanced stats?"

"B...bu...but watching the games with an analytical eye! What about watching the games with an analytical eye?" :lol:lol

I never needed advanced stats to realize Simmons wasn't all that good, tbh. Advanced stats just reinforced what I already believed.


The best VORP on the Spurs whole damn roster right now is Aldridge at 0.5. Aldridge's DBPM is -0.1 this year, while Simmons had a DBPM of 0.9 in his second year here. Tim's advanced stats were all lower in '14 than they were in '15. Do you think Tim was better in '15 than he was in the Championship run? The team has a lot to do with those numbers, Skippy. You can't look at them in a vacuum.

Advanced stats are like scissors or matches - children should not be allowed to play with them. But there's just no stopping it.

Do you think I'm not a poster that gives context to advanced stats?

An entire career of negative metrics isn't looking at advanced stats in a vacuum, tbh.

And, yeah, teams might have something to do with the individual advanced stats of players, but Simmons managed to post negative metrics in, both, lottery and 60 wins teams, so that's not a excuse that could be given to justify Simmons, tbh.

Simmons was always a below average player, some folks just have problems accepting that fact because they are not willing to give up on what they once thought.

[SpurPadre]

Lonnie was 19 when drafted. JSimms was 24 when he signed with the Toros, and 26 when he signed with the Spurs. That's a big fucking difference. Not saying that Lonnie will pan out, but he's already a better player than JSimms.

If Lonnie were already a better player than JSimms, wouldn't he be sniffing more minutes than JSimms' first season with us that had a much better team?

[koriwhat]

If Lonnie were already a better player than JSimms, wouldn't he be sniffing more minutes than JSimms' first season with us that had a much better team?

logic 101 :tu

[exstatic]

If Lonnie were already a better player than JSimms, wouldn't he be sniffing more minutes than JSimms' first season with us that had a much better team?

Spurs never had big plans for JSimms. He was what he was. They're trying to mold Lonnie into something great. That takes more time and effort.

[paperboy77]

Many are shitting on Juice but they are wrong. He's a guy we can definitely use right now. For this guy the stats don't mean everything. It's the intangibles that came along with his non-Spurs style that made him valuable. Our current roster is a bunch of no heart chumps.

[SpurPadre]

Spurs never had big plans for JSimms. He was what he was. They're trying to mold Lonnie into something great. That takes more time and effort.

Agreed but until then, he's not a better NBA player than JSimms was in his first season with us.

[DPG21920]

Simmons could always show flashes of really good play on offense and defense. He could just never pull it together with any consistency and couldn't be relied upon to perform at a certain level. Frustrating, but a cool story how he got in the league and got paid.

Yup. I don’t get the hate for guys like him. It was a “cant write a script better than this” story. And he is not a make or break guy for the team so don’t understand any ill will.

[DAF86]

Yup. I don’t get the hate for guys like him. It was a “cant write a script better than this” story. And he is not a make or break guy for the team so don’t understand any ill will.

I don't see anybody hating Simmons, tbh. Just folks saying he was (and by the look of things, still is) way overrated by people here. I'm glad the dude made the most of his opportunity and became a millionaire, tbh.

[SpurPadre]

He was the only dunker Pop has tolerated, tbh.

[SAGirl]

Left San Antonio to put up empty stats in Orlando. Declined LeBron's offer to play him with in Cleveland, guaranteed trip to the finals. Amazing.
He Declined an invitation to participate in the dunk contest his last season in San Antonio too. Should have gone for it. I enjoyed rooting for him.

It’s too bad, can’t blame the guy for being ambitious that is what got him in the league in the first place And he got his money.

He fractured his wrist (or hand) toward March if his first season in Orlando and never recovered his shot after that (and he was a streaky guy to begin with).

[kht]

He did what anyone of us would have done. Why are you guys trippin lol?

He played hard and hustle while he was here. A slightly above average defender. We need all of those attributes this year.

[GAustex]

Simmons was alright but not great. I like that he was a tough guy. A fighter type. Clippers got a team full of guys like that (Harrel,Bev,Harkless). Guys like that are useful. Simmons played hard.
Spurs could use some of that.

[Prime BEEF]

Lonnie is made from the same cloth. He will be out of the league not too long from now too.
Lonnie, KJ, Luka S. will all be out of the league in not that long. The question is do any of them get significant playing time at all? Doubt they play as many minutes as Simmons did.

There were better players available. Bad draft choices. That’s why I’m not convinced that the FO would make the right picks if we somehow traded away DDR and LMA for picks.

[paperboy77]

I don't see anybody hating Simmons, tbh. Just folks saying he was (and by the look of things, still is) way overrated by people here. I'm glad the dude made the most of his opportunity and became a millionaire, tbh.

You're splitting hairs buddy. Hate, overrated, un-Spursy, dunking, flash..... all that shit means the same thing in this "shithole" called Spurs Fandom. It's either one side to the other around here... depending on their mood of course.

[FkLA]

He was a classic example of style over substance. He made some spectacular dunks, he had some flashy attacks to the basket, he looked like he tried on defense, but at no point of his career did any of that resulted on positive impact on the basketball court.

He played 4 seasons in the NBA, he never posted positive impact numbers on any of them. Neither in offense nor defense. He was just very mediocre. His only average (or above average) NBA skill was athleticism.

The flashy stuff was cool but for me it was the things I mentioned in my post that made me like him. I think he had a lot of potential if he would've let the Spurs keep bringing him along instead of opting for the short term payday. Since you brought them up for his first season in ORL, his OBPM and VORP were positive in the 2017 playoffs, tbf.

I don't think he was a star in the making or anything like that but he could've been a solid rotation player. A starter even, on a roster as weak as the one we have right now. Definitely better than Brandon Paul. IDK why you always hated him so much. :lol

[FkLA]

Simmons could always show flashes of really good play on offense and defense. He could just never pull it together with any consistency and couldn't be relied upon to perform at a certain level.

Yeah, he never actually put it together for a prolonged period of time but when he left I felt like he was on the cusp. Especially considering some of the other deals that were handed out around that time, for $7 mill/yr, it would've been worth finding out if he could've put it together under the Spurs structure, imo.

[DAF86]

The flashy stuff was cool but for me it was the things I mentioned in my post that made me like him. I think he had a lot of potential if he would've let the Spurs keep bringing him along instead of opting for the short term payday. Since you brought them up for his first season in ORL, his OBPM and VORP were positive in the 2017 playoffs, tbf.

I don't think he was a star in the making or anything like that but he could've been a solid rotation player. A starter even, on a roster as weak as the one we have right now. Definitely better than Brandon Paul. IDK why you always hated him so much. :lol

Like I said, I never hated him. Just think he wasn't really very good. Back then, many folks were even talking about signing him to a multiyear contract of about 10 millions per year. Shit was ridiculous. It was more about being vocal of the huge mistake the organization would be making signing a journeyman to that kind of money. Same thing I did with Mills and Gasol, tbh. Unfortunately, the Spurs went the other way with those two.

[MannyIsGod]

He was a classic example of style over substance. He made some spectacular dunks, he had some flashy attacks to the basket, he looked like he tried on defense, but at no point of his career did any of that resulted on positive impact on the basketball court.

He played 4 seasons in the NBA, he never posted positive impact numbers on any of them. Neither in offense nor defense. He was just very mediocre. His only average (or above average) NBA skill was athleticism.

This is bullshit. The dude got paid and flamed out, but he worked his ass off to get that contract. Why make up this bullshit revisionist history?

[UZER]

Needs to cash one more paycheck by selling the rights to his from $150 to the NBA story.

[Chinook]

This is bullshit. The dude got paid and flamed out, but he worked his ass off to get that contract. Why make up this bullshit revisionist history?

It's hard to call that revisionist at all. Simmons wasn't a good NBA player. Not for the Sixers, not for the Magic and certainly not for SA. A good deal of us knew that then and have been saying so for years. Hell, he wasn't even a very good d-league player. He had a great first summer league and didn't destroy the team when he played. But he was worse than even current Beli or Cun/Pon from last year for example. Back then, people were obsessed with the idea of the Spurs being athletic, so a guy who could do crazy dunks got a big following. Now, the perimeter is actually pretty athletic, so Simmons would have looked even less remarkable in this (decidedly worse) rotation.

[koriwhat]

It's hard to call that revisionist at all. Simmons wasn't a good NBA player. Not for the Sixers, not for the Magic and certainly not for SA. A good deal of us knew that then and have been saying so for years. Hell, he wasn't even a very good d-league player. He had a great first summer league and didn't destroy the team when he played. But he was worse than even current Beli or Cun/Pon from last year for example. Back then, people were obsessed with the idea of the Spurs being athletic, so a guy who could do crazy dunks got a big following. Now, the perimeter is actually pretty athletic, so Simmons would have looked even less remarkable in this (decidedly worse) rotation.

all i know is when kawhi went down simmons was the only one out there ballin' during those PO's. i would've rather kept him back then then a few others who showed no heart whatsoever. not saying it would've panned out for the best interest of the spurs though but i saw nothing but scrubs when kawhi went down except for simmons.

[ZeusWillJudge]

It's hard to call that revisionist at all. Simmons wasn't a good NBA player. Not for the Sixers, not for the Magic and certainly not for SA. A good deal of us knew that then and have been saying so for years. Hell, he wasn't even a very good d-league player. He had a great first summer league and didn't destroy the team when he played. But he was worse than even current Beli or Cun/Pon from last year for example. Back then, people were obsessed with the idea of the Spurs being athletic, so a guy who could do crazy dunks got a big following. Now, the perimeter is actually pretty athletic, so Simmons would have looked even less remarkable in this (decidedly worse) rotation.


LOL. I knew Triple-A would chime in. You just can't help yourself.

"He wasn't even a very good D-League player", huh? Do you know who played the most minutes for the Magic that season, Triple-A? Simmons, by a fairly good margin. He wasn't even good enough for the D-League (according to you), but the Magic's FO couldn't figure it out enough to avoid giving him the most minutes on the team? For a whole damn season? And don't tell me they didn't have a choice. They had players who were at least good enough for the G-League. According to you, anybody should have been better than him.

I don't understand why you're not a GM for an NBA team, Triple-A. Or at least a G-League team.

[DAF86]

This is bullshit. The dude got paid and flamed out, but he worked his ass off to get that contract. Why make up this bullshit revisionist history?

When did I say he didn't work his ass off? He just wasn't very good, that's all. If anything, it speaks volumes of his working ethic that he got that kind of contract with above average athleticism and not much more.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

cat could score

[alpha_HaZE]

Left San Antonio to put up empty stats in Orlando. Declined LeBron's offer to play him with in Cleveland, guaranteed trip to the finals. Amazing.

Yes, and he said he wants to beat LeBron not play with LeBron, lol what a fool.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

https://section215.com/2019/08/04/philadelphia-76ers-jonathon-simmons-tbt/

Pretty sad. How can a athletic 6'6'' guard struggle to find a place in today's NBA



Interesting....I wonder if J-Simmons would've made more money if he stayed with the Spurs.same way Walker won't.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lonnie is made from the same cloth. He will be out of the league not too long from now too.
And what led you to believe that, seat-sniffer? His 4 minute stints?

[SAGirl]

Lonnie, KJ, Luka S. will all be out of the league in not that long. The question is do any of them get significant playing time at all? Doubt they play as many minutes as Simmons did.

There were better players available. Bad draft choices. That’s why I’m not convinced that the FO would make the right picks if we somehow traded away DDR and LMA for picks.
I am afraid of them making a bad trade as well.

[MultiTroll]

https://section215.com/2019/08/04/philadelphia-76ers-jonathon-simmons-tbt/
"very well could find himself fighting for a roster spot on a team in need of a backcourt defensive stopper (like the Los Angeles Clippers)"
:tu

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs never had big plans for JSimms. He was what he was. They're trying to mold Lonnie into something great. That takes more time and effort.

that's why Pop is trying to trade him :lol

[Prime BEEF]

I am afraid of them making a bad trade as well.
yeah not a fun position to be in as a fan. No confidence in their draft analysis, no confidence in talent scouting of existing nba players (for trades), no confidence in coaching decisions about current players on the team.

yay!

[Play Boban]

https://section215.com/2019/08/04/philadelphia-76ers-jonathon-simmons-tbt/

Pretty sad. How can a athletic 6'6'' guard struggle to find a place in today's NBA



Interesting....I wonder if J-Simmons would've made more money if he stayed with the Spurs.

Glad to hear it tbh. Greedy.

And a bunch of morons on this forum continually hyped him. :lmao

[Chinook]

LOL. I knew Triple-A would chime in. You just can't help yourself.

"He wasn't even a very good D-League player", huh? Do you know who played the most minutes for the Magic that season, Triple-A? Simmons, by a fairly good margin. He wasn't even good enough for the D-League (according to you), but the Magic's FO couldn't figure it out enough to avoid giving him the most minutes on the team? For a whole damn season? And don't tell me they didn't have a choice. They had players who were at least good enough for the G-League. According to you, anybody should have been better than him.

I don't understand why you're not a GM for an NBA team, Triple-A. Or at least a G-League team.

I don't know if you think you're coming off as edgy, but it's lame.

DAF linked a thread that kept track of his numbers for that season you're talking about. He was awful there. He played more minutes because he was surprisingly more healthy than most of the Magic's rotation (surprising because he only play 69 games himself). His impact numbers have him as the worst rotation player on the team besides Bismack. Shilling for Simmons is one of the most ridiculous hills to die on. It wasn't great two years ago, but after seeing him fall apart and fall out of the league, it's indefensible.

And yes, he wasn't a great d-league player. https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/s/simmojo02d.html

He was above-average when he had a smaller role on offense but dropped to below average once he took on a bigger role (playing PG, as one of the coaches described it) the next season. Average is fine for that level, but you expect NBA players to be elite To put it into perspective, Chimezie Metu is a better d-league player than Simmons was. Someone like Keldon, Samanic or even Forbes as a d-leaguer are just on a different level.

[Chinook]

all i know is when kawhi went down simmons was the only one out there ballin' during those PO's. i would've rather kept him back then then a few others who showed no heart whatsoever. not saying it would've panned out for the best interest of the spurs though but i saw nothing but scrubs when kawhi went down except for simmons.

Simmons didn't actually play well in that series though. He just played "a lot". He scored 15 ppg, but he used 17 possessions to get those points. He was minus-66 in a series where the Spurs were minus-64. Obviously, I don't blame him for the series loss or anything like that. He just wasn't really helping when he was on the floor the way people remember. He was able to guard Draymond, though, so he would have had some use against GS by letting the Spurs get away with Leonard on KD and Green on Curry. They didn't get the chance, but that would have been an interesting adjustment the team could have made later in the series.