Demar Derozen: "I wish I played in the 90s"

[Yogatti]

You would think it's because of his playstyle but...


I don’t even like social media, honestly. I’m not a big fan of social media, never been. To this day I always wish I had played in the 90s so I wouldn’t deal with social media. I just let people talk. Me, personally, I hate it

:lol

[BillMc]

Defensive rules in the 90's would allow opponents to body slam Demar on every drive to the basket. You think he loses his cool now in this modern powder puff game?The Riley Knicks and Heat, the Bulls, Seattle with Gary Payton, the early Duncan era, good luck... Wonder how Demar would have done with prime Bruce Bowen on him and Timmy and DRob waiting at the basket? (Granted that was after the 90's but still close enough)

[ZeusWillJudge]

I wish he was playing in the 90's too... in Toronto.

[baseline bum]

I wish Rich Man's Vinny Del Negro played in the 90s too.

[r0drig0lac]

so he would be a low IQ player playing in a more physical era, and even lower status due to lack of social media, nothing more than that.

[Mirrornick]

Demar in the 90s Would be Jerry Stackhouse

[GAustex]

Does any other player of his salary range speak like this? Or even salary range or not.
Dude needs to man up.

[EasyMoney]

Someone tell DeMar that he doesn't have to have social media if that's the case.

[weeks]

He'd be far less popular and acclaimed too. that was the nature of the beast back then.

[lmbebo]

If he played in the 90s, his yearly salary would probably but his career earnings ...

[dbestpro]

I miss the days when NBA players were allowed to play defense. Not that it would matter in DDR's case.

[ivanfromwestwood]

So he wouldn't get criticized for not shooting the three ball. I don't think most players were expected to be three point shooters back in the 90s

[DJR210]

":cry I wish I could have played in the 90's so I didn't have to see all the meanies bashing my no defense playing, career choker ass because I am not strong enough to stay away from social media comments :cry"

Thanks again, Kawhi.

[Genovaswitness]

he should jump into the large hadron collider or collect some infinity stones and try to make that a possibility. fucking sack of shit looking forward to kawhi dominating him all night tonight

[Chomag]

DDR would pretty much be "The plastic man" Stacey Augmon if any of you remember him.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

social media does suck

[sananspursfan21]

“I wish I played in the 00’s”. FIFY Demar.

[sananspursfan21]

I will say that I hate how social media has changed the league too, tbh

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

"Demar Demar WHAT ABOUT YOUR INSTA!!!???"

"Patty Patty WHAT ABOUT DEJOUNTE'S INSTA!!!???"

"Dejounte Dejounte WHAT ABOUT YOUR BROKEASS JUMPSHOT!!!??? I MEAN YOUR INSTA!!!???"

[TDMVPDPOY]

plays in 90s, would cry about the physical defense

[ZeusWillJudge]

“I wish I played in the 00’s”. FIFY Demar.

"I wish I played in the 4th quarter."

[timvp]

DeMar DeRozan in the 1990s? Maybe a Willie Anderson without the shin splints or the 14 baby mamas.

[TheRemix]

Social media is fine. Letting it affect you is another thing. Man the fuck up Demar.

[RC_Drunkford]

We all wished he played in the 90s...on another team

[james evans]

Demar in the 90s Would be Jerry Stackhouse
Derozan now wasn’t as good as stackhouse when he was in high school at Kinston

[Mirrornick]

Derozan now wasn’t as good as stackhouse when he was in high school at Kinston

Demar is way better..

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

the guy is a savant on offense mid/paint area. and an excellent playmaker. sucks on defense - lacks instincts and most times effort. but he would be good/great in any era. he is big physically and not a puss about contact

[ElNono]

He would be regarded as better than Jordan if he played in the 90s, tbh... think about it, extremely limited players like Avery Johnson, Dennis Rodman, Bill Laimbeer or Charles Oakley were de-facto starters back then, integral parts of championship teams...

Nostalgia fans just don't want to admit how much better the NBA is today...

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

put down the el pipe-o

[ElNono]

what's wrong with what I said, tbh? pointy elbows was regarded as a highly sought after attribute back then... nothing to do with basketball. If you were 'tough', it didn't matter you couldn't shot for shit...

oh look, a 'rebounding specialist'! :lmao

[alpha_HaZE]

Defensive rules in the 90's would allow opponents to body slam Demar on every drive to the basket. You think he loses his cool now in this modern powder puff game?The Riley Knicks and Heat, the Bulls, Seattle with Gary Payton, the early Duncan era, good luck... Wonder how Demar would have done with prime Bruce Bowen on him and Timmy and DRob waiting at the basket? (Granted that was after the 90's but still close enough)

He held his own against the likes of Kawhi, PG and Pat Beverly, it's pretty safe to say that against Bruce, he would be dominant at times the way Kobe was.

[DMC]

I'm sure he wishes he played back when the 3 was an anomaly and dunking and fancy dribbling was all the rage.

[gambit1990]

i wish i could be a multimillionaire decades ago so i wouldn't have the option of paying attention to social media :cry


"I hate it," DeRozan reiterated. "If it wasn't a need in 2019, I wouldn't have it."

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[DMC]

He would be regarded as better than Jordan if he played in the 90s, tbh... think about it, extremely limited players like Avery Johnson, Dennis Rodman, Bill Laimbeer or Charles Oakley were de-facto starters back then, integral parts of championship teams...

Nostalgia fans just don't want to admit how much better the NBA is today...

DeRozan couldn't carry Vince Carter's jock, much less MJ's.

[ElNono]

DeRozan couldn't carry Vince Carter's jock, much less MJ's.

Look, I have a lot of love for both Vince and TMac, extremely gifted and entertaining players, but that's a lot closer to the 2000 era (IIRC, VC debut in the NBA was in '98).

[timvp]

Nostalgia fans just don't want to admit how much better the NBA is today...

Pretty true. Hell, even prime Manu Ginobili would make Dejounte Murray look like Pistol Pete.

[DMC]

Look, I have a lot of love for both Vince and TMac, extremely gifted and entertaining players, but that's a lot closer to the 2000 era (IIRC, VC debut in the NBA was in '98).

OK, Penny Hardaway

[DMC]

Pretty true. Hell, even prime Manu Ginobili would make Dejounte Murray look like Pistol Pete.

Not sure if that's better or worse than he looks now tbh

[ElNono]

Pretty true. Hell, even prime Manu Ginobili would make Dejounte Murray look like Pistol Pete.

DJ needs a 3 point shot, tbh... that's what the modern NBA is all about.

if DJ would be playing in the 90's he would be a lock for the All Star game.

[DMC]

DJ needs a 3 point shot, tbh... that's what the modern NBA is all about.

if DJ would be playing in the 90's he would be a lock for the All Star game.

I disagree. A lot of the modern era NBA "stars" rely on getting to the rim, getting a ticky tack foul (or selling a non-foul as a foul with a flop) and getting FTs. When is the last time someone got their head split open for driving to the rim? Now you have little PGs doing it over and over.

[Prime BEEF]

I disagree. A lot of the modern era NBA "stars" rely on getting to the rim, getting a ticky tack foul (or selling a non-foul as a foul with a flop) and getting FTs. When is the last time someone got their head split open for driving to the rim? Now you have little PGs doing it over and over.
Agreed. You had to have a strong upper body to get your shot off in midrange back then and you were going to take a beating when you drove to the basket. You could still get to the rim but doing that over and over as your prime move would definitely get you injured.

[TheChillFactor]

I wish he played in the fucking 90s too

[ElNono]

I disagree. A lot of the modern era NBA "stars" rely on getting to the rim, getting a ticky tack foul (or selling a non-foul as a foul with a flop) and getting FTs. When is the last time someone got their head split open for driving to the rim? Now you have little PGs doing it over and over.

While I agree that shit like baiting fouls is not basketball (and I'm at least glad the league took the steps to make it a foul on the floor), having your head split open is not basketball either. Charles Oakley being deemed a basketball player is a joke. He was a body bruiser, whose sole job was to destroy and disrupt talented athletes from actually playing basketball. It's like playing hockey and throwing half a dozen puppies in the rink, it severely increases the difficulty level, makes for some gore spectacle, but it's not hockey anymore.

To that extent, the NBA is million years ahead of the 90s, tbh...

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

the nba has been unwatchable the past few years. i used to enjoy seeing the occasional non-spur game but not anymore. it is an ugly chuckfest deaignwd to yield 2-3 instagrammable momenta per game so casuals can pretend they like basketball

[DMC]

While I agree that shit like baiting fouls is not basketball (and I'm at least glad the league took the steps to make it a foul on the floor), having your head split open is not basketball either. Charles Oakley being deemed a basketball player is a joke. He was a body bruiser, whose sole job was to destroy and disrupt talented athletes from actually playing basketball. It's like playing hockey and throwing half a dozen puppies in the rink, it severely increases the difficulty level, makes for some gore spectacle, but it's not hockey anymore.

To that extent, the NBA is million years ahead of the 90s, tbh...

But we aren't talking about which era had better basketball. We're talking about being successful in another era. Whether or not it's "basketball" to split someone's face open doesn't detract from the fact that these players today who are stars for their red carpets to the rim and stat padding regular season antics would not be as successful in a more physical league.

If you took the best players of that era and somehow brought them into this league with the same type of mentoring and training, knowing the rules of today, I think many of the same top level guys then would be top level guys now simply due to their uncommon genetics and physical abilities.

However, even the worst team in the NBA today would bury the MJ Bulls in points by halftime using today's rules and tempo/shooting abilities.

[james evans]

Demar is way better..
How? He definitely isn’t a better scorer or defender than Stack. Not even close.

[james evans]

While I agree that shit like baiting fouls is not basketball (and I'm at least glad the league took the steps to make it a foul on the floor), having your head split open is not basketball either. Charles Oakley being deemed a basketball player is a joke. He was a body bruiser, whose sole job was to destroy and disrupt talented athletes from actually playing basketball. It's like playing hockey and throwing half a dozen puppies in the rink, it severely increases the difficulty level, makes for some gore spectacle, but it's not hockey anymore.

To that extent, the NBA is million years ahead of the 90s, tbh...
I really wish you guys would stop repeating shit you hear other people say. Oakley was one of the league’s best rebounders in his prime. Could also hit the 15 foot jumper. Y’all act like he was solely out there as Zara to injure players. People also act like there were no long range shooters in the 80s. There were just no players shooting 12 threes per game

[daslicer]

But we aren't talking about which era had better basketball. We're talking about being successful in another era. Whether or not it's "basketball" to split someone's face open doesn't detract from the fact that these players today who are stars for their red carpets to the rim and stat padding regular season antics would not be as successful in a more physical league.

If you took the best players of that era and somehow brought them into this league with the same type of mentoring and training, knowing the rules of today, I think many of the same top level guys then would be top level guys now simply due to their uncommon genetics and physical abilities.

However, even the worst team in the NBA today would bury the MJ Bulls in points by halftime using today's rules and tempo/shooting abilities.

Doubt it. MJ and Pippen would still be great perimeter defenders in this era which would make them even more valuable. The reason for example why the Spur suck so bad is not because of lack of 3 point shooting but more so lack of good perimeter defenders and rim protection. Bulls would have none of those problems.

Lakers for example are 21st in 3 pointers made but they have the best record in the league because their defense is the best in the league. Too many of you guys make a big deal of 3 point shooting when it comes to winning when the real issue is defense.

[ElNono]

But we aren't talking about which era had better basketball. We're talking about being successful in another era. Whether or not it's "basketball" to split someone's face open doesn't detract from the fact that these players today who are stars for their red carpets to the rim and stat padding regular season antics would not be as successful in a more physical league.

If you took the best players of that era and somehow brought them into this league with the same type of mentoring and training, knowing the rules of today, I think many of the same top level guys then would be top level guys now simply due to their uncommon genetics and physical abilities.

However, even the worst team in the NBA today would bury the MJ Bulls in points by halftime using today's rules and tempo/shooting abilities.

What I'm pointing out is that this is a lot closer to basketball than the WWE wrestling you had back then. It's true that MJ would've been even better if he didn't have to put up with dirty shits like John Starks, etc.

And that is the point, under rules that enhance the game of basketball, and talent over dirty antics, these guys would absolutely shit over the competition from back then. No elite team right now can afford to have a 'rebounding specialist' on the court. If you can't shoot or dunk the ball, you can't see the floor, or your team is going to suck.

Most of us that are old enough have seen 90's basketball. Outside the Jordan hype, it was absolutely terrible basketball.

[ElNono]

I really wish you guys would stop repeating shit you hear other people say. Oakley was one of the league’s best rebounders in his prime. Could also hit the 15 foot jumper. Y’all act like he was solely out there as Zara to injure players. People also act like there were no long range shooters in the 80s. There were just no players shooting 12 threes per game

There were good shooters (Kerr comes to mind), nobody is denying that. Oak was definitely not on that list, and he would be a bench player at best in today's league.

[daslicer]

What I'm pointing out is that this is a lot closer to basketball than the WWE wrestling you had back then. It's true that MJ would've been even better if he didn't have to put up with dirty shits like John Starks, etc.

And that is the point, under rules that enhance the game of basketball, and talent over dirty antics, these guys would absolutely shit over the competition from back then. No elite team right now can afford to have a 'rebounding specialist' on the court. If you can't shoot or dunk the ball, you can't see the floor, or your team is going to suck.

Most of us that are old enough have seen 90's basketball. Outside the Jordan hype, it was absolutely terrible basketball.

:lol Draymond didn't do any of those things and the Warriors didn't suffer in anyway from '14-'19.

[ElNono]

:lol Draymond didn't do any of those things and the Warriors didn't suffer in anyway from '14-'19.

Draymond was averaging a triple double around the time, so he was certainly scoring, tbh... I've called him an overrated player plenty of times, and I still think he is a product of Curry, and if you look now, that they don't have KD, Curry and Klay to score the ball, he sucks and his team sucks.

[daslicer]

Draymond was averaging a triple double around the time, so he was certainly scoring, tbh... I've called him an overrated player plenty of times, and I still think he is a product of Curry, and if you look now, that they don't have KD, Curry and Klay to score the ball, he sucks and his team sucks.

My response was to your shot towards Dennis Rodman. If a scrub like Draymond could succeed in this era I have hard time believing a guy like Rodman would struggle.

[ElNono]

My response was to your shot towards Dennis Rodman. If a scrub like Draymond could succeed in this era I have hard time believing a guy like Rodman would struggle.

I get where you're going, I'm just saying Draymond is a bench talent at best. He simply struck lightning in a bottle having Curry around who needed 3 people to guard him, and then having guys like Klay or KD hitting from everywhere.

I don't hate Rodman or anybody else from the 90s, but those guys couldn't even make a pass to save their lives. The difference is back then you wouldn't need 3 guys on Curry, you would put one of those thugs to elbow and trip him all night and do nothing else. That just wasn't basketball, IMVHO.

[ElNono]

It's actually kinda hilarious to still hear antiquated stuff like "the Spurs need an enforcer"... what for, foul out in 3 mins? The Spurs need solid shooters and people that can put the ball in the basket. Unfortunately, we've opted for the mid range jumper, an awful shot in modern basketball, and our 3 point specialists are average at best in a good day.

[BillMc]

Draymond was averaging a triple double around the time, so he was certainly scoring, tbh... I've called him an overrated player plenty of times, and I still think he is a product of Curry, and if you look now, that they don't have KD, Curry and Klay to score the ball, he sucks and his team sucks.

Draymond really never approached averaging a triple double. Only in 16 was that a remote possibility.



2013–14 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NBA_season)
Golden State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Golden_State_Warriors_season)
82
12
21.9
.407
.333
.667
5.0
1.9
1.2
.9
6.2


2014–15 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_NBA_season)†
Golden State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Golden_State_Warriors_season)
79
79
31.5
.443
.337
.660
8.2
3.7
1.6
1.3
11.7


2015–16 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_NBA_season)
Golden State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Golden_State_Warriors_season)
81
81
34.7
.490
.388
.696
9.5
7.4
1.5
1.4
14.0


2016–17 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_NBA_season)†
Golden State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Golden_State_Warriors_season)
76
76
32.5
.418
.308
.709
7.9
7.0
2.0*
1.4
10.2


2017–18 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_NBA_season)†
Golden State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_Golden_State_Warriors_season)
70
70
32.7
.454
.301
.775
7.6
7.3
1.4
1.3
11.0


2018–19 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_NBA_season)
Golden State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Golden_State_Warriors_season)
66
66
31.3
.445
.285
.692
7.3
6.9
1.4
1.1
7.4

[ElNono]

Draymond really never approached averaging a triple double. Only in 16 was that a remote possibility.



2013–14 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NBA_season)
Golden State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Golden_State_Warriors_season)
82
12
21.9
.407
.333
.667
5.0
1.9
1.2
.9
6.2


2014–15 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_NBA_season)†
Golden State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Golden_State_Warriors_season)
79
79
31.5
.443
.337
.660
8.2
3.7
1.6
1.3
11.7


2015–16 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_NBA_season)
Golden State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Golden_State_Warriors_season)
81
81
34.7
.490
.388
.696
9.5
7.4
1.5
1.4
14.0


2016–17 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_NBA_season)†
Golden State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Golden_State_Warriors_season)
76
76
32.5
.418
.308
.709
7.9
7.0
2.0*
1.4
10.2


2017–18 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_NBA_season)†
Golden State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_Golden_State_Warriors_season)
70
70
32.7
.454
.301
.775
7.6
7.3
1.4
1.3
11.0


2018–19 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_NBA_season)
Golden State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Golden_State_Warriors_season)
66
66
31.3
.445
.285
.692
7.3
6.9
1.4
1.1
7.4



He had 3 good months, Bill. Let's leave it there. I had to argue with assholes here on my Raymond thread for like a week because he fluked into that shit.

[ElNono]

That said, and as much as I hate to say this, he's a much more complete player than Rodman ever was. This guy even attempts to shoot 3s, even if he's not very good at it. Rodman might've been a rebounding machine (wasn't, but let's pretend he was), but couldn't hit the side of a barn.

[daslicer]

I get where you're going, I'm just saying Draymond is a bench talent at best. He simply struck lightning in a bottle having Curry around who needed 3 people to guard him, and then having guys like Klay or KD hitting from everywhere.

I don't hate Rodman or anybody else from the 90s, but those guys couldn't even make a pass to save their lives. The difference is back then you wouldn't need 3 guys on Curry, you would put one of those thugs to elbow and trip him all night and do nothing else. That just wasn't basketball, IMVHO.

I will say few things. Assists in today's league are very overrated. Stat guys easily give them out versus back in the day. For example I didn't see Draymond dissing out amazing passes for the most part. They were just simple hand offs to Klay,Curry,Durant and he easily got to 7 a game. They were normal passes that anybody could throw. Out of the current bigs in the league I would say only Jokic,Simmons,Gasol,Griffin, and other euro bigs are great passers. When I mean by great passers they can actually set up and run a play to get guys a bucket.

As for 90's ball being nothing but dirty goon defense I would say that's not 100 percent true. You had dirty teams during that era in the Knicks,Pacers,Heat,Jazz. All 4 of those teams contained thugs that were out just to hurt you. Don't remember seeing any other teams out of those top 4 that played dirty basketball. The rest of the league was doing hand checking but it wasn't dirty and you had bumping but not to the extreme mugging every game like you are saying.

The defense really picked up after '95. From '95-'07 you had strong defenses but weak offense. I can't really say all of that was dirty. For example the '99 Spurs were a defensive juggernaut but they weren't a dirty team. Guys like Jerome Kersey,Ellie,Perdue were physical players but not goons. The second 3 peat bulls outside of Rodman were not dirty but were a great defensive team. Only championship team during that stretch I felt was dirty was the Kobe-Shaq Lakers. Kobe,Fisher,Horry,Fox,Shaq all committed cheap shots and dirty fouls during their title run.

Curry to a large degree even in this era is overrated. He didn't become a superstar player until Klay Thompson became an all-star player. Once Klay reach that level then it became hard to guard Curry due to the spacing. Notice how Curry is reluctant to comeback from a minor hand injury. The reason for it is because he knows he will get exposed out there. He was shit in the 4 games he played this year averaging 20 points on overall 40 percent shooting and 24 percent 3 point shooting.

I don't miss the dirty flagrant WWE fouling from that era but at the same time whats going on in the league with Harden and company isn't basketball either. It's gotten to the extreme where the offensive player has too much leeway where if you even graze them slightly it's a foul. That's not fun to watch. I still play basketball a few times a week and I will say this nobody would loves to play by NBA rules out on the streets. Everybody hates it when guys call touch fouls.

[quentin_compson]

I, too, wish DeRozan played in the 90s. That way, he wouldn't be on the Spurs right now ...

[DMC]

There were good shooters (Kerr comes to mind), nobody is denying that. Oak was definitely not on that list, and he would be a bench player at best in today's league.

Imagine Boban in the 80s

[ElNono]

I will say few things. Assists in today's league are very overrated. Stat guys easily give them out versus back in the day. For example I didn't see Draymond dissing out amazing passes for the most part. They were just simple hand offs to Klay,Curry,Durant and he easily got to 7 a game. They were normal passes that anybody could throw. Out of the current bigs in the league I would say only Jokic,Simmons,Gasol,Griffin, and other euro bigs are great passers. When I mean by great passers they can actually set up and run a play to get guys a bucket.

As for 90's ball being nothing but dirty goon defense I would say that's not 100 percent true. You had dirty teams during that era in the Knicks,Pacers,Heat,Jazz. All 4 of those teams contained thugs that were out just to hurt you. Don't remember seeing any other teams out of those top 4 that played dirty basketball. The rest of the league was doing hand checking but it wasn't dirty and you had bumping but not to the extreme mugging every game like you are saying.

The defense really picked up after '95. From '95-'07 you had strong defenses but weak offense. I can't really say all of that was dirty. For example the '99 Spurs were a defensive juggernaut but they weren't a dirty team. Guys like Jerome Kersey,Ellie,Perdue were physical players but not goons. The second 3 peat bulls outside of Rodman were not dirty but were a great defensive team. Only championship team during that stretch I felt was dirty was the Kobe-Shaq Lakers. Kobe,Fisher,Horry,Fox,Shaq all committed cheap shots and dirty fouls during their title run.

Curry to a large degree even in this era is overrated. He didn't become a superstar player until Klay Thompson became an all-star player. Once Klay reach that level then it became hard to guard Curry due to the spacing. Notice how Curry is reluctant to comeback from a minor hand injury. The reason for it is because he knows he will get exposed out there. He was shit in the 4 games he played this year averaging 20 points on overall 40 percent shooting and 24 percent 3 point shooting.

I don't miss the dirty flagrant WWE fouling from that era but at the same time whats going on in the league with Harden and company isn't basketball either. It's gotten to the extreme where the offensive player has too much leeway where if you even graze them slightly it's a foul. That's not fun to watch. I still play basketball a few times a week and I will say this nobody would loves to play by NBA rules out on the streets. Everybody hates it when guys call touch fouls.

I mostly agree, but there were more teams than those, tbh... ie: the Bad Boys Pistons in the early 90s was another team. Malone in the Jazz. The damning part is that they were all mostly successful teams.

Some fans even complained when hand checking rules were added, when in reality, it rewarded talent over thuggery.

[daslicer]

I mostly agree, but there were more teams than those, tbh... ie: the Bad Boys Pistons in the early 90s was another team. Malone in the Jazz. The damning part is that they were all mostly successful teams.

Some fans even complained when hand checking rules were added, when in reality, it rewarded talent over thuggery.

I was kid during the 90's but don't really remember any dirty teams outside of Pacers/Knicks/Jazz/Heat/Lakers. I didn't start watching until '92 so I missed out on the dirty bad boys Pistons. Anyways the bad boy Pistons and Shaq-Kobe Lakers were the only teams that won titles by playing dirty thug basketball but those other teams that attempted it failed in the playoffs.

I will say this in '04 I felt the Lakers got away with thuggery after the Spurs went up 2-0 on them. I will never forget the media screaming that the Lakers needed to lay the wood on Tony and Manu. Malone-Shaq-Payton-Kobe ratcheted up the level of dirtiness by 10x the next 4 games. Didn't respect what they did and how the refs allowed them to get away with murder. If that series was reffed by today's rules then the Spurs would have beaten them in 5. So your argument about thuggery over talent definitely works in that scenario.

[slick'81]

We all wish wed wake up in the 90's and atleast have championships to look forward to

[daslicer]

We all wish wed wake up in the 90's and atleast have championships to look forward to

:lol sad but true. When we won that lottery '97 the future looked so bright. Honestly back then I thought we were going to win at least 3 with Duncan.

[CGD]

Me too Demar, me too

[lefty]

He would average 35 ppg in the 90s

No zone
Mid Range

[ElNono]

He would average 35 ppg in the 90s

No zone
Mid Range

[Mirrornick]

How? He definitely isn’t a better scorer or defender than Stack. Not even close.

Demar has had the better career by a big margin.

Stackhouse put up 29ppg that one season on 24fga. In 40mpg. Shooting 40% from the field. Yikes.