Game Thread: Spurs vs. Suns - Dec. 14, 2019 @ 4:00pm CST (in Mexico City)

[timtonymanu]

This team makes the Game 6 Spurs look like the most clutch team in NBA History, tbh.

What I would give to have even a quarter of those players on today’s Spurs.

[Degoat]

Is he on the bench?

no I don’t think so

[sasaint]

Dumbmar doing 2 Dumbmar things there.

[timtonymanu]

Would love this version of Murray consistently

[duncan2k5]

The old guys sucking the life out the team

[ZeusWillJudge]

Not hasnt returned from the Locker Room

MCL or Patellar Tendon Tear or BOTH


All hail the Lord of the Edgelords! :worthy:

[duncan2k5]

Murray has been setting that 16 footer consistently... Just needs to shoot more

[slick'81]

Aldridge carrying this team

[Spurs Brazil]

DAMN DeRozan killing us again, now in D

[sasaint]

Dumbmar gives up the And-1!

[Mugen]

God I fucking hate that POS derozan. Holy fuck what a mentally weak player.

[sasaint]

Murray has been setting that 16 footer consistently... Just needs to shoot more

With good form, too.

[DPG21920]

https://media.giphy.com/media/MfJ1OQ5ZuA6mQ/giphy.gif

I’m ready

[Spurtacular]

Good thing we have DDR on Oubre and not our best perimiter defensive player, IV.

[ZeusWillJudge]

WTG, Aldridge. Because what we need right now is more off balance, closely contested, fadeaway jumpers.

[Spurs Brazil]

Mills 333333333333

[slick'81]

Nice hustle patty

[DPG21920]

Wow Mills. That was Manu esque.

[phxspurfan]

Patty harden

[Degoat]

Shooters shoot patty lol

[Ron Swanson]

Patty redeemed himself for that turnover

[r0drig0lac]

haha timmy

[Mugen]

Extending the choke :lol

We'll see the suns tie here off an offensive rebound, a missed derozan jumper then a 3 from Phoenix. Book it. :lmao

[duncan2k5]

Patty giveth and Patty taketh away

[timtonymanu]

Mills having the most shot attempts :lmao. Really shows there’s no system the team runs.

[spurs1990]

Do you extend Mills now

[ZeusWillJudge]

Wow Mills. That was Manu esque.


Including the little side rotation. Serious nostalgia.

[TimDunkem]

Fuck. The Suns don't deserve this. How are you going to let Patty shit on you like that? Smh

[timtonymanu]

Extending the choke :lol

We'll see the suns tie here off an offensive rebound, a missed derozan jumper then a 3 from Phoenix. Book it. :lmao

Pretty much

[duncan2k5]

it was OPEN unlike Dumbar's which are always contested dude cant get ANY separation seems to actually SEEK Contact

The guy is low IQ...

[Ditty]

More Spurs fans in Mexico City than at ghost town center.

[sasaint]

Guys got no idea when to help on D and when not to.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Patty giveth and Patty taketh away


Defense? We don't need no steenking defense.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Kaminsky with the heads up play hammering LMA and sending him to the line.

[timtonymanu]

:lol Lamarcus loser

[slick'81]

Do you extend Mills now


For half of what hes making now sure

[duncan2k5]

Of course

[timtonymanu]

Fuck yeah Rubio!

[slick'81]

No booker and letting lil ricky school you

[Mugen]

:lmao

[slick'81]

Wth just happend

[timtonymanu]

I fucking love it. These fucks can’t even beat a Booker less team. No fluke, fools gold win again

[Degoat]

Hahaha suns

[BlackAndWhite]

This is it guys. Time for the spurs to bring in the M1A1 Abrams

[sasaint]

No booker and letting lil ricky school you

Ricky hits half of his 3s per season against the Spurs.

[212094ever]

Bricky always turns into Curry against SA

[duncan2k5]

let Murray get the last shot ... He got our last gamewinner

[DPG21920]

Only the Spurs can have a momentum play not give them momentum

[slick'81]

Lma or patty ftw

[SpurPadre]

What I would give to have even a quarter of those players on today’s Spurs.

Even Gary Neal, tbh.

[timtonymanu]

Come on Spurs! One play that results in a bad shot, please!

[Mugen]

crofl at that Suns assistant coach knowing exactly what Pop is going to run.

Is there anybody going to be surprised by an elevator play run for Patty out of this timeout???

[ZeusWillJudge]

Ricky hits half of his 3s per season against the Spurs.


I remember when people here said they wouldn't have him on the team because he can't shoot.

[slick'81]

:lmao

[timtonymanu]

Even Gary Neal, tbh.

I would even take TMac :lol

[DPG21920]

Derozan what ��

[phxspurfan]

iTodos de pie!

[timtonymanu]

Fucking wow

[Ron Swanson]

DeMar with the prayer

[ZeusWillJudge]

Raise your hand if you thought DDR was going to make that FT.

[timtonymanu]

Yeah Dumbmar missed at the line. Let’s go Phoenix!

[Spurs Brazil]

Another miss FT. DAMN

[ZeusWillJudge]

Derozan what ��


What it do Baby? :lol

[duncan2k5]

DDR is so bad... Fluke shot and missed the ft

[Quiet Strength]

lol why would he make a free throw? Cant help but laugh

[timtonymanu]

How is Dumbmar an even bigger pussy here than he was in Toronto?

[Leetonidas]

Soft midrange brick from derozan incoming

[Mugen]

The most predictable missed free throw in the history of the NBA :lmao

[DPG21920]

Of course he misses. Of course.

[slick'81]

Third chance ftw here

[Capt Bringdown]

Exploring new dimensions of choke

[sasaint]

let Murray get the last shot ... He got our last gamewinner

Anybody but Dumbmar or Rudy or LMA, tbh.

[Mugen]

1 out of 2 missed free throws for the Spurs here. Suns timeout and Rubio with the stepback game winner.

[TimDunkem]

Have we ever seen a bigger choker at the line?

[spurs1990]

Patty has to take this last shot

[slick'81]

Derozan gonna make phoenix his bitch

[ZeusWillJudge]

That shot by DeMar was comical, and it just fell through. Having the win come down to that shit, and being excited about it. SMDH.

[james evans]

is there a person on this site that didn't know Defrozen was gonna miss that freethrow?

[weebo]

GAy, Lamarsha, Depression are career losers what do you expect

[Spurtacular]

Of course not, he's barely an NBA player.

Except your dumb ass is saying that makes Pop a good coach when any non-retarded fucking coach wouldn't start Forbes :lmao

He's only an NBA player due to the current application of rules. He wouldn't be an NBA player in the 90's. Even Craig Hodges had to be taller and play some defense.

[TimDunkem]

Keep in mind, Slurpers, that they don't even have Ayton or Booker. :lol

[Spurs Brazil]

Mills for the win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Leetonidas]

Wombat :wow

[Ron Swanson]

Closers close

[sasaint]

Patty!!!! No Dumbmar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[timtonymanu]

“I’m the bigger loser tonight.”
“No, I am!”

Demar and Lamarcus fighting over the trophy

[DPG21920]

Incredible play. Amazing job.

[r0drig0lac]

Mills the closer

[timtonymanu]

Eye roll at this win

[james evans]

It's not that he couldn't defend a 3-pointer. Two of them left a 3P shooter in the corner and defended Rubio instead. Knowing it would take a 3-pointer to tie. That's unforgiveable stupidity.
uhhh, that's not not being able to defend a 3 by guarding a layup over a 3 to tie. Same thing

[Degoat]

Patty called ball game on you ST bitches!!!

[ZeusWillJudge]

Patty has to take this last shot


Well you called it. Beats the shit out of the shot they took at the end of the last O/T.

[sasaint]

That shot by DeMar was comical, and it just fell through. Having the win come down to that shit, and being excited about it. SMDH.

True. I am one of a pathetic lot.

[timtonymanu]

Give me a Rubio heave for the win!

[SpurPadre]

Here comes the 0.4 Derrick Fisher 2.0 tbh.

[ZeusWillJudge]

uhhh, that's not not being able to defend a 3 by guarding a layup over a 3 to tie. Same thing


Whatever. They chose to just ignore the 3P shooter, when the team needed a 3 to tie. To me, that's worse.

[Degoat]

What a great drawn up play by Pop :flag:

[JeffDuncan]

The mighty Spurs win! Was there ever any doubt?

[UZER]

Good for the Mexicans getting an close game. But what an shit show NBA game. These teams should be embarrassed. :lol

[sasaint]

How many minutes did Bryn play in the second half? Could the Old Man actually be inching toward a new starter?

[james evans]

i'm just glad popovich didn't go with the usual Derozen iso. I'm shocked too

[Sugus]

:pop: Solid win against a great team, current Spurs are such a talented team, better stand pat and not make any trades whatsoever :pop:

[baseline bum]

The most predictable missed free throw in the history of the NBA :lmao

What are you mad about man? We just beat Phoenix at home in OT minus their two best players.

[BillMc]

Victory!!

[duncan2k5]

We would have won this in regulation without DDR and LMA tbh... These guys INSIST on dominating the ball in the 4th and they NOT built for it

[ZeusWillJudge]

True. I am one of a pathetic lot.


It's hard being a fan of this team right now.

[timvp]

What a great drawn up play by Pop :flag:
Mugen, your thoughts?

[Degoat]

Let’s pray Lonnie just bumped knees

[DPG21920]

Incredible win. What a rebound performance beating a playoff caliber team and coming together with a true 48 min performance when needed the most. Playoffs in sight.

[tbdog]

Playoffs are back on the menu, boys!

[Mugen]

Just announce that Lonnie out for a while so I can stop watching this POS team.

[TimDunkem]

:pop: Solid win against a great team, current Spurs are such a talented team, better stand pat and not make any trades whatsoever :pop:

Half this forum tonight until they lose the next one by 30.

[timvp]

DPG21920, go ahead and toss that match if Walker is actually hurt, thb.

[duncan2k5]

What a great drawn up play by Pop :flag:

Almost makes me wonder if it wasn't Becky who drew it up

[212094ever]

Now let's hope Lonnie is okay

[Mugen]

Mugen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15519), your thoughts?

I think only the sniffiest of Sniffers would count this as an incredible Pop performance.

But I wouldn't expect anything less from you :lol

[Russ]

Eye roll at this win

What say you now, naysayers?

Spurs with a gaudy 10-15 record.

[DPG21920]

When Pop coaches you to an OT win vs a team with a losing record missing their best player but draws up one good play:

https://media.giphy.com/media/9t6xpYZ9npJmM/giphy.gif

[DPG21920]

DPG21920, go ahead and toss that match if Walker is actually hurt, thb.

Putting fresh lighter fluid in the Zippo as we speak

[timvp]

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Similar.

[GB20]

is there a person on this site that didn't know Defrozen was gonna miss that freethrow?

Derozan is the only player in nba history that has chocked in Canada, United States and Mexico.

[timvp]

Putting fresh lighter fluid in the Zippo as we speak

Thanks, bro :tu

[timvp]

I think only the sniffiest of Sniffers would count this as an incredible Pop performance.

But I wouldn't expect anything less from you :lol

Wow, just wondered what you thought.

Apologies.

[ZeusWillJudge]

What a great drawn up play by Pop :flag:

https://media.giphy.com/media/fAd17COGanvi/giphy.gif

[timtonymanu]

What say you now, naysayers?

Spurs with a gaudy 10-15 record.

Oh wow we beat a team missing their two best players in overtime. SPAM, pounding the rock, title #6 coming up.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/lonniewalker_4/status/1206015961352081408

[UZER]

Derozan is the only player in nba history that has chocked in Canada, United States and Mexico.

:lol

[timtonymanu]

https://twitter.com/lonniewalker_4/status/1206015961352081408

Official report? I would wait until he gets an x-ray. We thought the same of Murray before he was out a full season

[Degoat]

Thank God!!! Lonnie’s okay

[sasaint]

Got caught up in the game and Lonnie's injury and didn't notice how many minutes Dijon and Derrick played together.

[timtonymanu]

Derozan is the only player in nba history that has chocked in Canada, United States and Mexico.

:lmao

[Mugen]

Wow, just wondered what you thought.

Apologies.

Lonnie seriously hurt just when Bryn looked like he was heading to the doghouse.

I bet the old man is so happy he might just announce he'll be back next year. :lol

[timvp]

Lonnie seriously hurt just when Bryn looked like he was heading to the doghouse.

I bet the old man is so happy he might just announce he'll be back next year. :lol

Not even funny, man. :depressed

[JuneJive]

Thank God.

[gambit1990]

you know it's bad when a win still feels like a loss. honestly... what is even the point of even trying to compete with this roster?

[Mugen]

Derozan is the only player in nba history that has chocked in Canada, United States and Mexico.

:lmao GB20 with the fucking goods.

[Mugen]

Not even funny, man. :depressed

Edge.
Lord.

[quentin_compson]

Nice set play on that last shot by Mills. Somehow beats a DeRozan contested fade away (if he would at least drive it to the basket like he did before the missed FT).
Oh boy, we made it through this game, somehow. Congrats to all the players and to the crowd. Still probably one of the best basketball games ever to be played in Mexico, I guess.

[timtonymanu]

you know it's bad when a win still feels like a loss. honestly... what is even the point of even trying to compete with this roster?

People want that playoff appearance so the team has 4 more games to mail in :lol

[sasaint]

you know it's bad when a win still feels like a loss. honestly... what is even the point of even trying to compete with this roster?

None. I expect them to win +/- 25 games if they stand pat. I am schizophrenic, though. I root for them to win every game, and root for Pop to retire yesterday.

[TimDunkem]

you know it's bad when a win still feels like a loss. honestly... what is even the point of even trying to compete with this roster?

So the slurpers feel nice about a pointless record (that they themselves used to say meant nothing) by making the playoffs even though they're clearly 1st round fodder.

[timtonymanu]

Lonnie seriously hurt just when Bryn looked like he was heading to the doghouse.

I bet the old man is so happy he might just announce he'll be back next year. :lol

It’s always every other player and not Bryn that gets hurt

[DPG21920]

https://twitter.com/lonniewalker_4/status/1206015961352081408

https://media0.giphy.com/media/ecc8Vmc5MRbpe/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a3ca83ff298ab75eea33f6f0fc8e7 56abfa2b99d7&rid=giphy.gif

[sasaint]

Lonnie seriously hurt just when Bryn looked like he was heading to the doghouse.

I bet the old man is so happy he might just announce he'll be back next year. :lol

You torturing me, man.

[pad300]

Lonnie seriously hurt just when Bryn looked like he was heading to the doghouse.

I bet the old man is so happy he might just announce he'll be back next year. :lol

3 weeks, not so bad....

[TimDunkem]

It’s always every other player and not Bryn that gets hurt

Hard to get hurt when you play zero D and do nothing but chuck. The most contact he plays through is when he slaps his hands after bricking a shot.

[DPG21920]

Derozan is the only player in nba history that has chocked in Canada, United States and Mexico.

Going to start calling him Pitbull tbh

[Arcadian]

Probably one of the saddest wins in NBA history, tbh

[sasaint]

Going to start calling him Pitbull tbh

NAFTA.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Nice set play on that last shot by Mills. Somehow beats a DeRozan contested fade away (if he would at least drive it to the basket like he did before the missed FT).
Oh boy, we made it through this game, somehow. Congrats to all the players and to the crowd. Still probably one of the best basketball games ever to be played in Mexico, I guess.


When compared to one of the shittiest possible shots at the end of O/T, that was like perfection. I'm glad he didn't call for DeRozan to dribble and take a smothered long jumper...again.

When the opportunity to get there takes the other team fumbling an open inbounds pass into the first row, it's sort of empty. I mean, I'll take it. But dayum.


Oh, and the idiot bastard on FSSW is saying that Pop drew up two great plays for the end of O/T, two games in a row. Do these guys not watch the games?

[sasaint]

Hard to get hurt when you play zero D and do nothing but chuck. The most contact he plays through is when he slaps his hands after bricking a shot.

:lol

Remember when Kyle dislocated Pau's thumb in shoot-around? Just reminiscing...

[talkspurs]

How many minutes did Bryn play in the second half? Could the Old Man actually be inching toward a new starter?

Started the 2nd half and that was it. I am thinking he starts next game and if does poorly does not start second half. (lonnie being hurt could change this)

[Degoat]

Win against the clippers, win against the rockets, a “sad win” whatever! a win is a win :bobo

[Mugen]

Fucking terrible win tbh.

Another embarrassing loss tonight and I could have seen a Derozan/LA trade by tomorrow morning. FUCK.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Derozan is the only player in nba history that has chocked in Canada, United States and Mexico.


That's the kind of international recognition that Silver is looking for. He needs to go choke in China now.

[Russ]

Oh wow we beat a team missing their two best players in overtime. SPAM, pounding the rock, title #6 coming up.

If Phoenix had won, you could say title #1 coming up!

[Darius Bieber]

God damn this team is trash

[timtonymanu]

Fucking terrible win tbh.

Another embarrassing loss tonight and I could have seen a Derozan/LA trade by tomorrow morning. FUCK.

Sucks, tbh. The team can mail in some games, get an 8 game losing streak, and still be in playoff contention so it convinces Pop that the roster and personnel is fine so we’re stuck watching this group of losers for another 50+ games.

[DPG21920]

The thought of Lonnie having to go to a hospital in Mexico :lol

[timvp]

Derozan is the only player in nba history that has chocked in Canada, United States and Mexico.

https://media.giphy.com/media/p0RDMJGgMXF96/source.gif

[DPG21920]

Derozan and LMA - it’s these types of performances that earn you another season and the chance to keep this train rolling.

[timtonymanu]

That's the kind of international recognition that Silver is looking for. He needs to go choke in China now.

Maybe he should play for the Olympics next summer

[Darius Bieber]

The thought of Lonnie having to go to a hospital in Mexico :lol

Probably better than the Spurs medical team tbh

[timvp]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/ecc8Vmc5MRbpe/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a3ca83ff298ab75eea33f6f0fc8e7 56abfa2b99d7&rid=giphy.gif

Yeah, hold on a sec, tbh :lol

[sasaint]

Fucking terrible win tbh.

Another embarrassing loss tonight and I could have seen a Derozan/LA trade by tomorrow morning. FUCK.

If I thought this single game would have that kind of impact on Pop, I would be pissed. But we know that's not the case. Hell, he JUST started cutting back Forbes' minutes.

[timvp]

Probably better than the Spurs medical team tbh

Got damn, Spurs fans dropping bombs :lol

[UZER]

Someone hide Forbes passport so he can’t board the plane.

[DMC]

Gutsy win against a juggernaut team. JHUTT

[Russ]

Someone hide Forbes passport so he can’t board the plane.

There are plenty of mountains between Mexico City and SA.

The Spurs will want Forbes on the plane to avoid hitting anything.

[TimDunkem]

:lol

Remember when Kyle dislocated Pau's thumb in shoot-around? Just reminiscing...

Hopefully Forbes runs into White's head.

[sasaint]

Hopefully Forbes runs into White's head.

Forbes' bricklayer hands might injure Derrick's head...

[timvp]

There are plenty of mountains between Mexico City and SA.

The Spurs will want Forbes on the plane to avoid hitting anything.

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[Mugen]

Hopefully Forbes runs into White's head.

:lol

[UZER]

There are plenty of mountains between Mexico City and SA.

The Spurs will want Forbes on the plane to avoid hitting anything.

:lol

[FkLA]

I don't get the anger. Less Forbes and Belli. Lonnie was going to close. This was a step in the right direction for Pop, imo.

[spurs10]

The thought of Lonnie having to go to a hospital in Mexico :lol They'll probably at least give you pain killers there.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The thought of Lonnie having to go to a hospital in Mexico :lol

"Bring him over here. I'm only on duty for another half and hour."

http://pictify.saatchigallery.com/files/works/x-ray-glasses-1362506225_org.jpg

[sananspursfan21]

Didn’t watch game but just remembered that Booker didn’t even play and it took comeback OT to win. Eff this season tbh

[ismael-robert]

Dont forget Ayton

[RC_Drunkford]

very dumb. Rubio is driving in for a layup. You KNOW he's not going to take the shot. Instead, he draws the defense then kicks it out for a 3 hahahahaha. You cannot make this shit up. It happens every time we're up by 3. WHY THE FUCK ARE ANY DEFENDERS IN THE PAINT????? IF THEY WANT A LAYUP WHILE DOWN 3, THEN LET THEM HAVE THE LAYUP!!!!!!!

:pop: "We only sign players with high basketball IQ"

Makes you wonder what Pop actually teaches them in practice. This team plays so discombobulated on both ends and the old man still hasn't figured out the right starting line up

[BillMc]

Spurs are 10-15. 11-14 would tie you for 7th. And so many want to give up on the playoffs....

[DPG21920]

Ya - so many don’t think a losing record is good

[ZeusWillJudge]

Spurs are 10-15. 11-14 would tie you for 7th. And so many want to give up on the playoffs....


I don't think many specifically want to give up on the playoffs, Bill. They want to give up on this mismatched roster, non-defending players, and stars who sulk. They want to get a decent draft pick for the first time in 20 years, and that means a big trade or finishing outside the playoffs. Both, if possible.

What you're not including is that squeaking into the playoffs, being first round fodder, and plodding through with the 17th pick or worse is a pretty good recipe for remaining first round fodder. Look at how hard they had to struggle to knock off Phoenix tonight. Now try to figure out how they're going to beat any 1-4 seed in the first round.

The fact that 11-14 would tie them for 7th in the Western Conference just says that more power is locked up in a few teams, and the Western Conference has become generally as shit as the Eastern Conference.

[timtonymanu]

Spurs are 10-15. 11-14 would tie you for 7th. And so many want to give up on the playoffs....

Just because the West is bad, it doesn’t mean this team is earning the right to make the playoffs either. So many games where they are mailing it in. They are very lucky to be in this position but doesn’t mean they deserve it right now.

[ElNono]

why are we still winning games, tbh? we want to keep using the excuse that the FO never gets a high pick?

[baseline bum]

why are we still winning games, tbh? we want to keep using the excuse that the FO never gets a high pick?

Now that RC is dicking around in the CEO chair there is no point to the tank anymore. His drafting was this team's one real competitive advantage but now it's going to be Wayne Wright or whatever the fuck his name is in the GM chair making the picks. Probably end up with Lavar.

[Big P]

Spurs are 10-15. 11-14 would tie you for 7th. And so many want to give up on the playoffs....

What's the point in making the playoffs for a first round exit....we are not winning anything in the near future, might as well get some decent draft picks and then get pop to retire so he doesn't stick them in Austin for 3 years before letting them sniff the court.

[tbdog]

What's the point in making the playoffs for a first round exit....we are not winning anything in the near future, might as well get some decent draft picks and then get pop to retire so he doesn't stick them in Austin for 3 years before letting them sniff the court.

Because playoff experience is necessary. Plus you never know, AD goes down for round, Spurs could take them.

[azarel]

i think it makes a big difference for our young players to have consistent playoffs opportunities... playoffs experience is very impt for a player's development... can u imagine our young players go through 3 seasons of ZERO playoff experience and going into the lottery every season? that's a negative environment for any player to develop in.... just look at knicks... timberwolves even....

[Manong Ginobili]

LWIV in the 3Q helped spark the comeback. Pop started the 3rd with Bryn and PHX led by double digits so Pop is still prioritizing him.

[poopbox]

Spurs are 10-15. 11-14 would tie you for 7th. And so many want to give up on the playoffs....

Do you really want to see this team make the playoffs?

[BillMc]

Do you really want to see this team make the playoffs?

Yep

[Prime BEEF]

Do you really want to see this team make the playoffs?
If the spurs had an average normal coach, missing the playoffs wouldn’t have to happen for them to get the hint that personnel changes need to happen. We could actually make the playoffs and also change the personnel.

but with pop, if he thinks he could possibly potentially make the playoffs with this current roster he won’t make a single change. So we are what we are and pop is ride or die with this current crew.

so the real question is....in pops last season do you want the team to make the playoffs with this piece of shit team full of players that you don’t like and don’t want to root for?

[Frenchfred]

What's the point in making the playoffs for a first round exit....we are not winning anything in the near future, might as well get some decent draft picks and then get pop to retire so he doesn't stick them in Austin for 3 years before letting them sniff the court.

this year's draft is really weak and the Spurs won't get a top5 pick, there won't be a big differnece between the 8th and 15th pick. Making the playoffs bring some revenues, gives some experience to young players and you never know about injuries to the other teams, yu might be able to pull an upset

[poopbox]

Yep

To do what exactly? Making the playoffs gets us a lower draft pick which directly lowers our chances to get a good player...

If we are talking about the learning experience...then what would the young guys learn? Learn how to pout and not play hard like LMA when they don't get the ball enough? Learn to brick important freethrows like Derozan? Learn to shoot less than 25% from 3 in a series like Patty did against Denver?

Nah...those are habits I don't want Dejounte and Lonnie learning...cause when you constantly watch losers...and play with losers...and learn from losers...you become a loser...

You can already see it in Bryn...dude starting to do a lot of pouting on the sidelines even though he is arguably the worst player on this entire roster

[talkspurs]

I would like to Have the PO record. I know some people will say it is all about the championships and that is the only thing that matters but when was the last time you thought about who won the 1983 NBA championship? Can you even say without looking it up? Why would you want to know that? On the other hand lets just say a team gets a long PO streak going. They will look it up to see who has it. This we will constantly show on long term dominance better then a championship. Also as people have pointed out our pick in the draft would not be much different unless we win the Lottery.

[rudwick]

Just win baby.

[Shakril]

To do what exactly? Making the playoffs gets us a lower draft pick which directly lowers our chances to get a good player...

If we are talking about the learning experience...then what would the young guys learn? Learn how to pout and not play hard like LMA when they don't get the ball enough? Learn to brick important freethrows like Derozan? Learn to shoot less than 25% from 3 in a series like Patty did against Denver?

Nah...those are habits I don't want Dejounte and Lonnie learning...cause when you constantly watch losers...and play with losers...and learn from losers...you become a loser...

You can already see it in Bryn...dude starting to do a lot of pouting on the sidelines even though he is arguably the worst player on this entire roster

Yeah sorry but that is bogus. There is no guarantee that a draft pick actually pans out. Take away Tim Duncan, which draft Picks have been the best after him? None of them were high picks. I personall believe that the Spurs already have a good young core, which sadly is not utilized efficently. I blame pop for it.

[poopbox]

Yeah sorry but that is bogus. There is no guarantee that a draft pick actually pans out. Take away Tim Duncan, which draft Picks have been the best after him? None of them were high picks. I personall believe that the Spurs already have a good young core, which sadly is not utilized efficently. I blame pop for it.

Well there is a guarantee that the higher you pick in the draft the more likely you are to get a good player...due to more good players being available the higher you pick...

You know whats bogus..."playoff experience"...

Derrick White got playoff experience last year...how he looking this year?

Bryn Forbes got playoff experience last year...how he looking this year?

You know who didn't get playoff experience last year...lonnie walker?

Out of Bryn...White...and Lonnie...who do you think has been the best this year...?

I'm going to go with Lonnie...who probably not coincidentally...was also the highest drafted player of the 3...

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Nah...those are habits I don't want Dejounte and Lonnie learning...cause when you constantly watch losers...and play with losers...and learn from losers...you become a loser...


so your solution is to .... lose?

[ElNono]

Now that RC is dicking around in the CEO chair there is no point to the tank anymore. His drafting was this team's one real competitive advantage but now it's going to be Wayne Wright or whatever the fuck his name is in the GM chair making the picks. Probably end up with Lavar.

I'm actually intrigued, tbh... wondering what somebody whose job is actually on the line for making those decisions does...

[duncan2k5]

Lol @ the ppl thinking trading LMA AND DDR means we miss the playoffs... I actually think whoever we trade them for will make us significantly better, all while getting a draft pick or two

[poopbox]

so your solution is to .... lose?

The solution is to trade them...not sure that is going to happen...

[Prime BEEF]

Lol @ the ppl thinking trading LMA AND DDR means we miss the playoffs... I actually think whoever we trade them for will make us significantly better, all while getting a draft pick or two
I think so too. It’s not an either or choice. I think it’s an all or none choice. Trade DDR/LMA and get better for the future AND possibly make the playoffs. Or don’t trade them, don’t get better for the future, and don’t make the playoffs.

[Sugus]

The solution is to trade them...not sure that is going to happen...

The question is who will be trading with us... People are delusional to think Orlando is going to give up Gordon/Bamba without a pick from us in exchange for DD. Portland doesn't look too willing to trade for LMA when he's probably gonna go there anyways... The Pistons are too stupid to make any meaningful moves, but would be more or less the only option for the Spurs. I think the question therefore becomes - do you attach picks or young players to get rid of DD/LMA, or ride out their contracts?

[poopbox]

The question is who will be trading with us... People are delusional to think Orlando is going to give up Gordon/Bamba without a pick from us in exchange for DD. Portland doesn't look too willing to trade for LMA when he's probably gonna go there anyways... The Pistons are too stupid to make any meaningful moves, but would be more or less the only option for the Spurs. I think the question therefore becomes - do you attach picks or young players to get rid of DD/LMA, or ride out their contracts?

Then you give up that pick to get gordon and/or bamba...they both fill a real need for your team...

Murray, Keldon, White, Walker, Poeltl, Luka, are the only players you don't put on the table unless you getting something significantly better back...everyone else is on the table...

The good news for the spurs is that this is addition by subtraction so you don't really need a lot back to "win" the trade...you trade Derozan and you get off his contract...get off of any negotiations you do for his next contract...get off a player who is a poor basketball fit for your team...then you start playing young players like lonnie and keldon more minutes who are good basketball fits for your team...

You could ride out the contracts...at worse they are for one more year...but why would you ride out the contract of veteran players who are not helping you win? LMA and DDR and to an extend Gay are on this team to be the primary go to guys to win games...if they aren't doing that...and they are so not doing that...there is no point in having hem on the team...

Spurs are bad...might as well be bad with young players and additional picks...rather than be bad with young players on the bench and old players not being good enough to consistently win games and getting one 1st round pick out of it...

[JeffDuncan]

...

You could ride out the contracts...at worse they are for one more year...but why would you ride out the contract of veteran players who are not helping you win? ...

Contrary to Spurstalk myth, DDR and LMA are in fact helping the team win. They are averaging 40 points per game, between them. Points win games.

Okay, say you wave goodbye to 40 points per game. You did that just for the touchy feely liberal reason of making the team "feel" better.

State exactly, in detail, in the real world, how you're going to get those points back.

[Sugus]

Then you give up that pick to get gordon and/or bamba...they both fill a real need for your team...

That's the thing... I don't want the Spurs giving up any picks. At least not unprotected, which is the bare minimum Orlando will demand if they're going to give up young prospects. I'm not sure that trading for Gordon/Bamba while losing your top scorer/s will end up bringing this Spurs team for the playoffs - and if it doesn't, I'd much rather have a pick to avoid wasting the year. The Spurs aren't in a situation where they should be looking to trade out their only picks - I think it would ironically be better to let both DD and LMA play out their contracts, and suck, as long as it meant not losing any picks.

[RC_Drunkford]

Contrary to Spurstalk myth, DDR and LMA are in fact helping the team win. They are averaging 40 points per game, between them. Points win games.

Okay, say you wave goodbye to 40 points per game. You did that just for the touchy feely liberal reason of making the team "feel" better.

State exactly, in detail, in the real world, how you're going to get those points back.

If you trade DeRozan give Walker 20 shots per game and he will score the same amount of points as DeRozan. It's not Rocket science

[JeffDuncan]

If you trade DeRozan give Walker 20 shots per game and he will score the same amount of points as DeRozan. It's not Rocket science

Not rocket science, but it's speculation at this point. When Lonnie has played, oh, maybe 20 games while averaging, say, 15+ points per game, it could start to become real. He has not done that yet. Everybody would be great if we all got credit for what we might do.

Lonnie is a promising player, no doubt. But it's only in the last five games he's begun to get consistent playing time. That is not enough to be sure he could compensate for not having DDR.

The numbers in that small sample are nice, tho. Over the last five games Lonnie has scored 69 points on 48 shots, a rate of 1.44 pts/shot.

Over that same span, DDR has 97 points on 83 field goal attempts, which is 1.17 pts/shot. So sure, Lonnie looks superior by comparison, but give it 20 or 30 more games, then let's take another look. Five games is just not enough.

For comparison to an out-and-out gunner, who's running pretty hot, over his last five games James Harden has scored 209 on 144 attempts, which is 1.45 points per field goal attempt.

Fans of Lonnie (which includes me) can smile to see that for their last five games, Lonnie and Harden are virtually identical in their points per attempt, 1.44 versus 1.45. That has little meaning since it's such a small sample, but it's cool to look at.

But again, the point is, we don't know enough yet, that's all.

[poopbox]

That's the thing... I don't want the Spurs giving up any picks. At least not unprotected, which is the bare minimum Orlando will demand if they're going to give up young prospects. I'm not sure that trading for Gordon/Bamba while losing your top scorer/s will end up bringing this Spurs team for the playoffs - and if it doesn't, I'd much rather have a pick to avoid wasting the year. The Spurs aren't in a situation where they should be looking to trade out their only picks - I think it would ironically be better to let both DD and LMA play out their contracts, and suck, as long as it meant not losing any picks.

Who cares about losing the top scorer when your team is bad and your top scorer could leave next year for nothing?

What guarantee do the spurs have that the player they draft with the draft pick they keep instead of giving it to orlando turns out to be a better player than gordon and/or bamba?

[Sugus]

Who cares about losing the top scorer when your team is bad and your top scorer could leave next year for nothing?

What guarantee do the spurs have that the player they draft with the draft pick they keep instead of giving it to orlando turns out to be a better player than gordon and/or bamba?

It depends on the Spurs' plan for the future. If they decide to tank out a few seasons (which would likely correlate with any DD trades), that pick could be very valuable, moreso since the Spurs don't have any other team's picks to replace their own selection, unlike teams like the Thunder. Moreover, the Spurs, as a franchise that prides itself in and excels at drafting and developing players - they would probably want to stick to their strengths and could very well believe their own selection to be more valuable than Bamba/Gordon, who aren't playing well at the moment. This all leads me to believe the Spurs would prefer to make trades where returns are diminished, so long as their own picks aren't on the table.