Game Thread: Spurs at Mavericks - Dec. 26, 2019 @ 7:30pm CT

[RD2191]

Are sniffers going to blame Lonnie's uncle when he asks for a trade too? :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

Or over Keldon or Quinndary?


Or at all.

[Ron Swanson]

White going right after Doncic, then defending him well on the other end.

That kind of shit is going to get him benched.

[jjktkk]

Seems like White is making a conscious effort to attack Doncic the offensive end.

[RC_Drunkford]

Or over Keldon or Quinndary?

dont forget Carroll

[Mugen]

1/5 (0 from 4 from 3) and countless missed defensive assignments. But my man Beli will always get his minutes.

Gotta love the old man!

[spurraider21]

white lazily swiping at the ball while defending doncic... ugly effort

[XDT76]

Damn whatever happens to you don't play defence you don't play at all.

[Robz4000]

:wow Rudy

[Sugus]

The infuriating thing is how close the game actually is, despite Pop's dogshit rotations. The team could actually be a semblance of good under other coaches, tbh

[slick'81]

Mavs dont want none!

[Mugen]

white lazily swiping at the ball while defending doncic... ugly effort

:lol Why give a 100% effort when Beli or Forbes's guy is just going to be wide open anyways.

I don't blame a single non-Pop Pet on this team for quitting. Not a single damn one.

[Russo21]

Forbes, Wombat and Belli 0-10 from 3:clap

[RD2191]

Gay:wow

[RC_Drunkford]

Damn whatever happens to you don't play defence you don't play at all.

:pop: "that's why Lonnie's on the bench. Marco is out there fighting"

[Jordan Jackson]

Despite Belinelli's best efforts, this game is still
close.

Hope he plays the entire 4 quarter.

[RC_Drunkford]

The infuriating thing is how close the game actually is, despite Pop's dogshit rotations. The team could actually be a semblance of good under other coaches, tbh

Every game is like that. Belinelli gives you like a 10-15 point deficit on top of it that the team has to overcome. They'd be up by 5 if he wasn't in the game at all

[Ron Swanson]

Rudy :wow

[ZeusWillJudge]

If you had told me it would be a 3-point game with 10 minutes left, I would have jumped on it.

[Mugen]

Shitty game tbh. Spurs gonna lose and we won't see a minute of Lonnie.

[John B]

Come on play White/Murray together. Keep this close and play defense.

[r0drig0lac]

Gay carrying these scrubs

[ZeusWillJudge]

Spurs keeping it close. Where the fuck is Beli?

[Darius Bieber]

Tim Duncan could play in the suit he’s wearing and he’d be instantly better than 99% of our current roster tbh

[RC_Drunkford]

Oh looka here. Belinelli sits and the Spurs go on a run. Who would've thought? And somehow the Mavs always go on a run when he's in the game.

:pop: "it's a hoax"

[slick'81]

:rollinMavs

[Sugus]

:pop: the S.purs are closing the lead without Lonnie's help, better not let him see the floor so we don't jinx it :pop:

[ZeusWillJudge]

Oh looka here. Belinelli sits and the Spurs go on a run. Who would've thought? And somehow the Mavs always go on a run when he's in the game.

:pop: "it's a hoax"


:pop: Becky, tell Dejounte to come to my office. I've got to find some more minutes for Marco somewhere.

[GB20]

Somebody should do an investigation between Pop, Marco and Lonnie. I don't really understand what it's going on.

[RD2191]

Can't wait until Pop is gone tbh

[RD2191]

Trading 2s for 3s. :lol

[Mugen]

Good stuff by the Mavs

[Mugen]

I'm going to celebrate Pop's retirement so much harder than 2014 tbh.

Please god let it happen after this season.

[Robz4000]

This one's done.

[r0drig0lac]

:lmao

[Sugus]

Ahh that's more like the Spurs we know, maybe Lonnie gets some run now

[Slippy]

Da choker making an appearance too early here.

Just get out of the way and pass the ball.

[boutons_deux]

Spurs lose the game on 3Gs

[FkLA]

Who's that Smith guy, mono? He looks pretty solid, tbh.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Ahh that's more like the Spurs we know, maybe Lonnie gets some run now

Wait till the Mavs get a more comfortable lead.

[RC_Drunkford]

See playing Beli is literally the difference between staying in the game and getting blown out

[SPURt]

When they got within 3 there’s that feeling again and boom... here we are. This is not a fun season.

[Sugus]

Wait till the Mavs get a more comfortable lead.

Announcer said Luka comes back in at about the 6min mark so we shouldn't be kept waiting much longer :lol

[Mugen]

The old fuck deciding to play WHite and Dejounte together when the game is lost :lol

[weebo]

sperms :lol

[boutons_deux]

6 3G in 4th

[ZeusWillJudge]

DeRozan: "I don't know. Should I go defend that guy at the 3P line, or run back toward the basket for no reason?"

[Ron Swanson]

No need to bring Luka back in. This bitch is over.

[r0drig0lac]

damn 2011 dallas mavericks flashback

[slick'81]

Mills/bryn combo combne for 12 points:wow

[Floyd Pacquiao]

The old fuck deciding to play WHite and Dejounte together when the game is lost :lol

:lol Senile Old Shit Bag Pop

[r0drig0lac]

White and Murray...pop is a joke

[Genovaswitness]

wow look at what a well constructed team with SHOOTERS does to a piece of shit dinosaur team that only midrange shoots :lmao

poop :lmao

[Dverde]

They better leave Luka on the bench. This shit is a wrap

[John B]

White needs to knock those for Pop to play Murray/White together

[texbound]

Living in Hawaii these days I don't have a lot of opportunity to watch the Spurs because of time difference and work. Watching today's game it's apparent that the offense is putrid because Derozen derails the entire thing. Aldridge isn't great, but he does play within the system. However, Derozen can't do anything without the ball. He doesn't move well nor does set good screens. This offense/team would be much better served getting rid of him now. I know, I know, I'm late to the party on this one.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Who's that Smith guy, mono? He looks pretty solid, tbh.

Funny, I was thinking about how Finney-Smith was the exact type of player that would never see time under Pop. As a rookie despite his lack of shooting & unrefined game RC played him 20 mins a game, increasing a little each year. Now a 30 min a game guy shooting respectable pct from field & 3Pt

[GB20]

The old fuck deciding to play WHite and Dejounte together when the game is lost :lol

He always do that shit

[Mugen]

Put in Lonnie when we're down by 20 too, you old fuck :lol

[Slippy]

Trading 2s for 3s. :lol

Spurs are missing just as much threes as they are giving up.

The floor spacers arnt hitting Jack. Lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Once DJ fouls out Beli gonna come back

[Mugen]

White needs to knock those for Pop to play Murray/White together

:lol gtfo, he's not playing that lineup unless the game is over.

[FkLA]

It's weird. I was disgusted by the Memphis win and am happy about this blowout. I'm not even on the tank bandwagon, it's just that Pop deserves to lose.

[Robz4000]

White and Murray have been a disaster tonight too tbh.

[slick'81]

One of the most talented players left rotting while shit mills,forbes and belli literally steal $$

[Ondrej]

Mavs bombing from the arc. And our FO signed Dejounte who can't shoot for the next 4 years and Pop plays him next to De Rozan

[John B]

How about Lonnie in instead of Forbes?

[Dverde]

The stupidity...I hope he gets injured

[RC_Drunkford]

:pop: "There is the evidence that they can't play together. They lost us the game"

[FkLA]

One turnover and Poop pulls the plug on Murray-White. :lol

:pop: I tried it and it just didn't work out

[Monostradamus]

Is this Murray dude really the guy that y’all were sayin “:cry if he didn’t get hurt we could have won a title” a year ago???? He’s so bad :lmao

[Dverde]

Time to bump the grandpa keys thread

[slick'81]

Murray def shit the bed tonight

[Mugen]

Any time the Spurs get blown the fuck out when Forbes, Fatty, and Beli play regular rotation minutes is a damn good game.

Pop is already a sad, broken man but I have to think that even he dies a little bit more inside when his Pets get embarrassed :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

Living in Hawaii these days I don't have a lot of opportunity to watch the Spurs


I think those of us who live here will tell you that we don't have a lot of opportunity to watch the Spurs play ball, either. But at least we get to see the games.

As for the rest of what you said - no DeRozan can't do anything without the ball. But he's far from alone on that. But Pop isn't going to make any moves.

[Slippy]

Rudy the least likely guy has been the only one to consistently hit the three today . That happrns in basketball.

Prioritizing spacing over talent. That's pop these days.

[Shakril]

wow look at what a well constructed team with SHOOTERS does to a piece of shit dinosaur team that only midrange shoots :lmao

poop :lmao

Spurs are losing the game not because of the 3s but because of bad defense. I mean Belinelli in this game was just a joke. Same as forbes. If this is not a tank job than i dont know what this is.

[ZeusWillJudge]

We have Luka. You don’t.


My eyes point in the same direction and I own a house.

[Ron Swanson]

My eyes point in the same direction and I own a house.


:lmao

[DMC]

Has Mark Cuban attempted any 3s? Everyone else in the organization has hit a couple at least.

[slick'81]

Another game vs a playoff team and another ass beating

[FkLA]

When is this dumbfuck going to realize that his pets aren't going to lead him anywhere?

[Mugen]

Lonnie getting ready to check in :lol

[slick'81]

Cant wait till mills/forbes are resigned and their cute pre game hand shakes can continue for years to come

[John B]

Blazers need to lose at Utah to keep at even

[Mugen]

Retiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiire old man. Retire.

[weebo]

The spurs as constructed have zero identity--they don't do anything well and sometimes they just do enough of everything to squeak out a win--and as much as people were excited about murray, white, and walker, well if we're being honest--they're not very good.

[ZeusWillJudge]

"The Spurs have narrowed the deficit".


I really missed hearing that last game. Now I feel like things are back to normal.

[Mugen]

crofl Lonnie back to the bench cuz the old man thinks they still got a shot

[slick'81]

The spurs as constructed have zero identity--they don't do anything well and sometimes they just do enough of everything to squeak out a win--and as much as people were excited about murray, white, and walker, well if we're being honest--they're not very good.Tbh walker hasnt been given a chance but white has regressed and murray got paid off pure potential

[palangi]

If I was Lonnie I would refuse to go in. Don't give the coach the respect he wants. Tell him Forbes, Belli, and mills can finish this shit game. Then I would ak to go to Austin and go lay with some young fun talent

[Mugen]

The spurs as constructed have zero identity--they don't do anything well and sometimes they just do enough of everything to squeak out a win--and as much as people were excited about murray, white, and walker, well if we're being honest--they're not very good.

:lol None of those guys have been put in a position to succeed. In Lonnie's case, he isn't even given minutes.

[ZeusWillJudge]

:pop: "I've got to be honest with you, Lonnie. It's the hair. I just can't get past the hair."

[r0drig0lac]

this is so disrespectful to Lonnie

[DMC]

If I was Lonnie I would refuse to go in. Don't give the coach the respect he wants. Tell him Forbes, Belli, and mills can finish this shit game. Then I would ak to go to Austin and go lay with some young fun talent

You'd be working at Popeyes, breaking up parking lot fights by next week. Being in the NBA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not being in the NBA

[FkLA]

The spurs as constructed have zero identity--they don't do anything well and sometimes they just do enough of everything to squeak out a win--and as much as people were excited about murray, white, and walker, well if we're being honest--they're not very good.

shut up faggot

[ZeusWillJudge]

White with a great deflection. DDR with those sloth-like reflexes. :lol

[Mugen]

Lonnie is going to be great, great player on a different team or for a different coach.

Cannot wait for that retirement.

[r0drig0lac]

crofl Lonnie back to the bench cuz the old man thinks they still got a shot

the worst part is that he believes that having Forbes on the court is playing "winning basketball".

[palangi]

You'd be working at Popeyes, breaking up parking lot fights by next week. Being in the NBA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not being in the NBA

Nah. Some smart organization would pick me up

[weebo]

Tbh walker hasnt been given a chance but walker has regressed and murray got paid of pure potential

Walker is uber athletic but aside from that and that one game that got everyone excited--he plays timid because 1) he's afraid of the moment or 2) he is lost. I honestly don't think the coaching staff/Pop would intentionally having sitting on the bench if they thought he was the next KL.

[tim_duncan_fan]

We have interesting guys playing G-League and just flat out not playing but we come out with the same shit lineups every game, apparently expecting different results.

I don't get it.

[weebo]

shut up faggot

STFU penis sucking crack whore :lol

[Mugen]

crofl Bryn you stupid fucking faggot

[timtonymanu]

Wtf was Brent forms doing? :lmao

[Robz4000]

:lmao fuck Forbes

[phxspurfan]

Wtf was Forbes doing on the last possession, dribbling it out like JR Smith

[ZeusWillJudge]

10 seconds left and a 4 point deficit. Run it down and then pull it back out. Fucking brilliant. This team is stupid, on top of everything else.

[John B]

Freacking Forbes wouldn’t take thst shot!

[Ron Swanson]

:lmao

[timtonymanu]

crofl Bryn you stupid fucking faggot

Doesn’t even try to shoot there, runs clock and then throws it to White who has to take a bad shot

[Monostradamus]

We have Luka. You don’t.

[Mugen]

Pop running over to Bryn and kissing him on the fucking ear :lmao

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

What was Forbes doing. The one time he needs to chuck he doesn't want too

[lonrot]

wft forbes lol

[KDKSpurs24]

Forbes scary ass didn’t even want to pull up for a transition 3 like he always does when the team has a lead.. didn’t want the blame. Pathetic

[phxspurfan]

White with a great deflection. DDR with those sloth-like reflexes. :lol

He plays so fucking fat and happy for a dude whos never won a thing

[slick'81]

:lol

[FkLA]

:lol Poop smiling and consoling his stupid midget pet. He'd be pulling his hair out if that was Lonnie.

[timtonymanu]

Lonnie would have been benched the rest of the season if he did what Forms did

[phxspurfan]

We have Luka. You don’t.

We should have never been in the game tbh. Didn't watch most of the 4th, no idea how we got back in it

[John B]

And to think Spurs could’ve gotten Doncic :bang

[Mugen]

:lmao I have a terrible Bryn Forbes joke but it involves Malik Sealy and I think it'd enough for that loser timvp to finally ban me

[3&D_TBH]

They drain a three while Marco is literally rolling around on the ground. Hahaha

[timtonymanu]

Race to the tank!

[Darius Bieber]

And to think Spurs could’ve gotten Doncic :bang

Good thing we didn’t. He’d be in Austin still and heading back to Europe.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Walker is uber athletic but aside from that and that one game that got everyone excited--he plays timid because 1) he's afraid of the moment or 2) he is lost. I honestly don't think the coaching staff/Pop would intentionally having sitting on the bench if they thought he was the next KL.

You do know he played a lot of other good games in the limited time he's been out there beside the Houston game right? Did you see how he came in the Brooklyn game and totally changed the trajectory of the game?

[Emperor]

We have Luka. You don’t.

We got 5 titles. You don't.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Forbes not coming down and shooting right away about sums it up for Pop's pet midgets. :td

[slick'81]

Wether its forbes/mills/derozan or belli they will always let the team down:cry

[Dennis the Menace]

Pop running over to Bryn and kissing him on the fucking ear :lmao

[r0drig0lac]

And to think Austin Spurs could’ve gotten Doncic :bang

[ZeusWillJudge]

We have Luka. You don’t.

I thought we covered this, you goofy-eyed cocksucker.



My eyes point in the same direction and I own a house.



Let me know if there's something you don't understand.

[Monostradamus]

We got 5 titles. You don't.
You had a past. We have a future. You don’t.

[140]

Man I hope I never get to see Carlisle overstaying his welcome like this :lol sad tbh...

[RC_Drunkford]

We have Luka. You don’t.

We actually got a Luka on the team :lmao

[Leetonidas]

Does anyone post on RealGM? The spurs forum mod is the biggest sniffer I've ever seen:lmao

[Ron Swanson]

We actually got a Luka on the team :lmao

I already forgot about that dude. :lol

[Emperor]

[QUOTE=Monostradamus;10019087]You had a past. We have a future. You don't.

A future that will produce 0 titles. But congrats on making the playoffs for the next few years.

[slick'81]

Still firmly in 9th,tbh

[TheGoatishere]

Does anyone post on RealGM? The spurs forum mod is the biggest sniffer I've ever seen:lmao

she definitely is:lmao

[Mugen]

timvp You must be at full mast these last few weeks with how hard Pop is coaching Lonnie up with all these DNPs :lmao

[FkLA]

Does anyone post on RealGM? The spurs forum mod is the biggest sniffer I've ever seen:lmao

Post quotes so I can lmao, tbh.

[weebo]

You do know he played a lot of other good games in the limited time he's been out there beside the Houston game right? Did you see how he came in the Brooklyn game and totally changed the trajectory of the game?

Ya I've seen him play--not overly impressed. Does he deserve time to run? Yes, he does but let's be real here; LW4 is not a game changer. Some of y'all sound like last year's lakerfan over rating their "youth". Let's face it-- unless KJ or Luka turn out to be the next great Spur--we're fucked.

[phxspurfan]

lol Chuck taking a Ghetto bath on the set

[apalisoc_9]

wonder how sniffvp will spin this..

[DC23]

Mavs didn't score in the last 3 minutes or so

[Mugen]

wonder how sniffvp will spin this..

Something about Marco shooting well in December and White/Dejounte having really bad games so they couldn't play with each other (While ignoring Bryn's horrible game :lol)

[FkLA]

Ya I've seen him play--not overly impressed. Does he deserve time to run? Yes, he does but let's be real here; LW4 is not a game changer. Some of y'all sound like last year's lakerfan over rating their "youth". Let's face it-- unless KJ or Luka turn out to be the next great Spur--we're fucked.

You're the type of moron that defended an Enrique-centric offense instead of handing the reins over to Nephew sooner.

[slick'81]

Ya I've seen him play--not overly impressed. Does he deserve time to run? Yes, he does but let's be real here; LW4 is not a game changer. Some of y'all sound like last year's lakerfan over rating their "youth". Let's face it-- unless KJ or Luka turn out to be the next great Spur--we're fucked.


Mills,forbes,bellie arent game changers either unless its against shit teams.Might as well let lonnie get his exp now

[weebo]

You're the type of moron that defended an Enrique-centric offense instead of handing the reins over to Nephew sooner.

STFU stupid--you're the asshole who rode with johnny footballl go eat shit :lol

[weebo]

Mills,forbes,bellie arent game changers either unless its against shit teams.Might as well let lonnie get his exp now

Ya I agree. I've been all in for the youth movement since KL was traded--this team as constructed at best is a first round exit and at worst a lottery team--might as well just tank--this team is in serious need of basketball talent. But with Pop at the helm that's never going to happen--he's not coaching to tank.

[paperboy77]

I think DD has completely checked out. Unfortunately I think Lonnie might be too. DD just aimlessly driving into a packed paint while the 3 is always available. Nearest defender is like 10 feet from DD and the 3pt line. I kinda don't blame the guy. He's vet that sees exactly how shitty Pop is. The guy is just being a pro at this point with regards to calling anyone out for the obvious.

Meanwhile Lonnie cannot wait for next year or whenever he can be a free agent. Marco wasn't giving anything today and yet the better option was glued to the bench. Unbelievable. To hell with the FO and ownership.


LOL.... Marco with a +5 and Forbes a +12! :loser

[John B]

Watching Blazers vs Jazz. Blazers suck. Spurs will get 8th. :lol

[Prime BEEF]

Watching Blazers vs Jazz. Blazers suck. Spurs will get 8th. :lol
But we also suck so there’s that

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Ya I've seen him play--not overly impressed. Does he deserve time to run? Yes, he does but let's be real here; LW4 is not a game changer. Some of y'all sound like last year's lakerfan over rating their "youth". Let's face it-- unless KJ or Luka turn out to be the next great Spur--we're fucked.

He's not a game changer? I totally disagree. The game seems to change when he enters i.e against Brooklyn the last time he played

[Jordan Jackson]

Forbes and Belinelli combing for 40 mins is not a good thing.

This team just isn't good enough to over come their toxic play. Also, Forbes continuing to start is insane.

Sad thing is, this is going to continue as long as they are a game or two out of a playoff spot.

[Sugus]

Ya I've seen him play--not overly impressed. Does he deserve time to run? Yes, he does but let's be real here; LW4 is not a game changer. Some of y'all sound like last year's lakerfan over rating their "youth". Let's face it-- unless KJ or Luka turn out to be the next great Spur--we're fucked.

Walker is most certainly a game changing player. He's long, athletic, willing to defend - already a huge upgrade over most of the team -, is a legitimate threat from 3 and opens up lob opportunities with his athleticism, besides from a finishing package around the rim. He's explosive and fun to watch, everything the rest of the Spurs are not - but he's being placed in a position to fail. We have not, and will probably not for the rest of the season, see the best of Lonnie whilst archaic LMA and DD drag the team down with their slow-it-down ISO shtick. Lonnie would thrive in a transition-based, run-and-gun offensive scheme but neither Pop nor the Spurs roster are anywhere close to it.

[tbdog]

FFS Pop. Just FOR FUCK SAKE. Stop playing Forbes and Beli as role players.

[weebo]

Walker is most certainly a game changing player. He's long, athletic, willing to defend - already a huge upgrade over most of the team -, is a legitimate threat from 3 and opens up lob opportunities with his athleticism, besides from a finishing package around the rim. He's explosive and fun to watch, everything the rest of the Spurs are not - but he's being placed in a position to fail. We have not, and will probably not for the rest of the season, see the best of Lonnie whilst archaic LMA and DD drag the team down with their slow-it-down ISO shtick. Lonnie would thrive in a transition-based, run-and-gun offensive scheme but neither Pop nor the Spurs roster are anywhere close to it.

....and therein lies the problem--Walker would be better served in an open style offense where he is allowed to use his athleticism to his advantage--under the Spurs scheme he isn't very good because its constricted--this is why you see guys like Murray and White also struggling---these guys are no basketball savants--they're good athletes (in Walker's case a great athlete)--for the way this team is currently constructed the young guys aren't very good--in order for that to happen is for Pop to go---he's still trying to force a square peg into a round hole--and the pieces he has to run the system he wants are washed up

[sasaint]

Forbes and Belinelli combing for 40 mins is not a good thing.

This team just isn't good enough to over come their toxic play. Also, Forbes continuing to start is insane.

Sad thing is, this is going to continue as long as POP doesn't keel over.

FIFY

[Sugus]

....and therein lies the problem--Walker would be better served in an open style offense where he is allowed to use his athleticism to his advantage--under the Spurs scheme he isn't very good because its constricted--this is why you see guys like Murray and White also struggling---these guys are no basketball savants--they're good athletes (in Walker's case a great athlete)--for the way this team is currently constructed the young guys aren't very good--in order for that to happen is for Pop to go---he's still trying to force a square peg into a round hole--and the pieces he has to run the system he wants are washed up

So, you agree that Walker is a game-changing player but think Pop is misusing him? Welcome to the fucking club, then... Even the greatest NBA players can only go as far as their coaches let them - and in Lonnie's case he can't even get out of the doghouse for most games. The worst thing about this (and one that I hope is temporary) is how over-conscious he becomes when he does get PT; constantly looking at Pop or the bench, waiting for the cut. Maybe other teams will learn to exploit him, like was the case with Oladipo.

[weebo]

So, you agree that Walker is a game-changing player but think Pop is misusing him? Welcome to the fucking club, then... Even the greatest NBA players can only go as far as their coaches let them - and in Lonnie's case he can't even get out of the doghouse for most games. The worst thing about this (and one that I hope is temporary) is how over-conscious he becomes when he does get PT; constantly looking at Pop or the bench, waiting for the cut. Maybe other teams will learn to exploit him, like was the case with Oladipo.

No. I think Walker can be a viable player in the NBA but he's not a Morant, Luka, KL level player--he could be great in spurts (we have seen that at least once before) but he can't carry a franchise--for me that's the definition of a game changer--I think a lot of fans in here are pinning their hopes on Walker being the next KL but they're going to be disappointed--in all fairness to him--I think Pop is seriously mishandling the young guy--the dude has paid his dues--doesn't complain etc--but Pop is too proud to call it a season--only way we see Walker get serious minutes is if a couple of the other guards get hurt and are out for extended time--maybe we'll just have to wait til next year if under a new coach

[slick'81]

Too many guards,spurs need a trade desperatley for a sf/pf

[Sugus]

No. I think Walker can be a viable player in the NBA but he's not a Morant, Luka, KL level player--he could be great in spurts (we have seen that at least once before) but he can't carry a franchise--for me that's the definition of a game changer--I think a lot of fans in here are pinning their hopes on Walker being the next KL but they're going to be disappointed--in all fairness to him--I think Pop is seriously mishandling the young guy--the dude has paid his dues--doesn't complain etc--but Pop is too proud to call it a season--only way we see Walker get serious minutes is if a couple of the other guards get hurt and are out for extended time--maybe we'll just have to wait til next year if under a new coach

Jury's still way out on Morant - dude's landing makes me iffy every time and hasn't been exactly carrying the Griz to a good record; Luka obviously has the potential but has still to win a playoff series or even make one... But I get your point. I hope we get to see enough playing time from Lonnie to see what kind of player he can become, game-changing or not. Lot of players are late bloomers, he's only 20, but he won't improve much on the bench for sure.

[Blackjack]

They could have at least lost the first quarter. Was looking forward to my free Jumbo Jack tomorrow...

[DAF86]

Too many guards,spurs need a trade desperatley for a sf/pf

We had one of the best in the entire league and we traded him away for literally nothing.

[testies]

sorry bertans

[slick'81]

We had one of the best in the entire league and we traded him away for literally nothing.


Yup,gave away a top 3 player right now for a true sg(who cant shoot threes) ,kj and backup center

[objective]

Sooo ....

Pop's 3 point shooting pets of Forbes, Marco, and Mills, who he desperately needs for supposed spacing

0-12 against the Mavs

[ElNono]

Sooo ....

Pop's 3 point shooting pets of Forbes, Marco, and Mills, who he desperately needs for supposed spacing

0-12 against the Mavs

Space the floor for what? DDR, LMA and Gay are basically mid range shooters. This team isn’t built to play inside-out or outside-in. Just a mixup of shooters, half of which can’t shoot.

[vavvi]

Sooo ....

Pop's 3 point shooting pets of Forbes, Marco, and Mills, who he desperately needs for supposed spacing

0-12 against the Mavs

Have you watched the game? Or at least checked the stats?
We do need those pets for spacing.
This game showed that Murray-White-Derozan is borderline unplayable offensively. And they lost us this game while Forbes (whom I usually hate) and Beli were net-positive.

I get all that Spurstalk narrative and usually support it but we should pay attention to actual game. Murray-White-Derozan doesn't work; adding Lonnie there won't probably help. Sadly, we need those spacing pets

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Have you watched the game? Or at least checked the stats?
We do need those pets for spacing.
This game showed that Murray-White-Derozan is borderline unplayable offensively. And they lost us this game while Forbes (whom I usually hate) and Beli were net-positive.

I get all that Spurstalk narrative and usually support it but we should pay attention to actual game. Murray-White-Derozan doesn't work; adding Lonnie there won't probably help. Sadly, we need those spacing pets

Murray white played 3 minutes together :lol
Now imagine if you cut derozan loose and played Murray white and walker together. You have great man defense, slashing and 2 3 point threats. Lonnie and white are more than willing enough to shoot the 3. Hell white made more 3s than the pets combined tonight for fucks sake :lol

[objective]

Have you watched the game? Or at least checked the stats?
We do need those pets for spacing.
This game showed that Murray-White-Derozan is borderline unplayable offensively. And they lost us this game while Forbes (whom I usually hate) and Beli were net-positive.

I get all that Spurstalk narrative and usually support it but we should pay attention to actual game. Murray-White-Derozan doesn't work; adding Lonnie there won't probably help. Sadly, we need those spacing pets

I watched the game.

And I did re-watch the 4th from the insertion of White, that's who I know the tiny sample size of Forbes' +/- is misleading.

The Murray-White combo lasted (edited for bad math) 3:18 straight and -4 (until the later brief combined 20 seconds where Pop was subbing Murray for Gay on some offense-defense). Why? Because White missed open makeable threes and turnovers that were not spacing related, and the open threes are what he needs to take (and then later hit one while Forbes was on the court boosting Forbes' +/-.

1st Offensive possession: DeRozan iso into postup and score. +2
DEF: Brunson hits a contested 3 against White. Contested. -1.
2nd OFF: Murray turnover on the pass to Aldridge. Nothing to do with spacing with White vs Forbes/Marco. White's man was actually on him. -1
DEF: Wright with a long uncontested 3 late in the shotclock on Aldridge after some confusion. -4

and that's where the margin would stay.

3rd : White miss, makeable shot. He made more threes in this game than Forbes, Marco and Mills combined remember. -4
DEF: Unforced turnover on Mavs -4
4th : White misses the makeable 3. I want White taking that shot. -4
DEF: missed contested 3 -4
5th : unforced turnover on White with the errant pass out to Murray. Unforced error, but also proof that White and Murray need more time together. -4

Pop then sends Forbes to sub in next stoppage.

DEF: contested miss, rebound. -4
6th: Rudy turnover and stubbed toe. Instead of giving the ball to Aldridge for the post-up, Murray dribbles in and gives it up to Rudy. -4

and that was it.

That tiny sample size of makeable missed threes by White, poor decision making from Murray resulting in 2 turnovers, and a bad pass from White.

Meanwhile

Forbes has a +12, but it's not because he was making plays like Lonnie against Houston in the big comeback.

If Doncic doesn't choke free throws he's only +10.

Forbes made nice driving and-1 and had a nice defensive sequence which was probably more an unforced turnover on Hardaway who didn't respect Forbes' defense and dribbled it off his ankle. But Forbes did stay in front. He also somehow wasn't scored on by Wright, so that's good on one drive, and got away with pushing Wright on another miss. So that's even more good.

There was a DeRozan fast break goaltend which Forbes did nothing special on. White hit a transition three (nothing to do with Forbes). Rudy Gay hit a quick 3.

And then Forbes refused to shoot the pull-up after the great defense from White.

But the spacing presence of Forbes didn't impact the +/- other than a suspect defender coming off a sprained ankle Doncic fearing the three.

Forbes did brick his 2 threes in the final 4:35.

Go through the rest of the game and I'm sure a viewer could break down exactly how Forbes and Marco were not the reason they had positive boxscores. If Doncic hits his free throws and White and Gay miss their threes, and Forbes is only +4, is that because Forbes was 8 points worse? No.

Even the Forbes defense on Hardaway that resulted in a turnover ... That was with Murray denial on Doncic and White on Finney-Smith. If that was Mills or Marco on Doncic or Finney-Smith, I don't know if Hardaway keeps it.

THEN with Murray subbed back in at the Forbes free throw, it's Murray denial on Doncic and White almost creates the turnover on Finney-Smith from behind but DeRozan can't get to it. Then the Doncic foul on the out-of-bounds play.

But even on those two defensive possessions, Murray and White did a good job of keeping the Spurs in play.

I'll roll with Murray-White easily, they'll get better together the more time they play together.

Reminds me of people strangely declaring the Splitter and Tim Duncan couldn't ever be on the court at the same time, because when Pop finally put them on court together while losing in the playoffs against Memphis in tiny sample sizes, they didn't have perfect chemistry. Because in Splitter's first ever playoff game in game 4, first game in 10 days, him being asked to start the 3rd quarter with Duncan, they were -6 in 3 minutes or something dumb like that. Splitter would later start 40 playoff games next to Duncan.

[JeffDuncan]

...
We do need those pets for spacing.


Our top two scorers don't. It's impossible to space for DDR, he always drives into traffic. If there's no defender near, he'll go looking for one. Trying to space for DDR is a fool's errand.

LMA's signature move is his turn-around, and he creates the space for that himself.

The corner 3, from anybody, relies on drawing defenders in, to jam the middle, not spacing, and the corner 3 is the best.

Once in a while you'll see a Spur look for an opening in the middle, to drive, but it's rare. The one who might benefit the most from opening up space in the middle would be Lonnie, but he isn't allowed to play.

Where are you seeing that the Spurs need that spacing? In a practical way, I mean.

What the Spurs need from their 3pt shooters is for them to make shots. There are no judges awarding style points for "tactical spacing."



This game showed that Murray-White-Derozan is borderline unplayable offensively. ...

Nonsense. One game doesn't show piffle, especially when guys have hardly played together.

[vavvi]

Murray white played 3 minutes together :lol
Now imagine if you cut derozan loose and played Murray white and walker together. You have great man defense, slashing and 2 3 point threats. Lonnie and white are more than willing enough to shoot the 3. Hell white made more 3s than the pets combined tonight for fucks sake :lol

I agree but "imagine if you cut Derozan loose" is a big if. Now he's here and Pop can't just not play him. And Derozan in the lineup can't work without a shooting pet.

And yeah only 3 minutes but the offense stopped completely for those 3 minutes so Pop had to emergency-sub.

[vavvi]

I watched the game.

And I did re-watch the 4th from the insertion of White, that's who I know the tiny sample size of Forbes' +/- is misleading.

The Murray-White combo lasted 2:18 straight and -4 (until the later brief combined 20 seconds where Pop was subbing Murray for Gay on some offense-defense). Why? Because White missed open makeable threes and turnovers that were not spacing related, and the open threes are what he needs to take (and then later hit one while Forbes was on the court boosting Forbes' +/-.

1st Offensive possession: DeRozan iso into postup and score. +2
DEF: Brunson hits a contested 3 against White. Contested. -1.
2nd OFF: Murray turnover on the pass to Aldridge. Nothing to do with spacing with White vs Forbes/Marco. White's man was actually on him. -1
DEF: Wright with a long uncontested 3 late in the shotclock on Aldridge after some confusion. -4

and that's where the margin would stay.

3rd : White miss, makeable shot. He made more threes in this game than Forbes, Marco and Mills combined remember. -4
DEF: Unforced turnover on Mavs -4
4th : White misses the makeable 3. I want White taking that shot. -4
DEF: missed contested 3 -4
5th : unforced turnover on White with the errant pass out to Murray. Unforced error, but also proof that White and Murray need more time together. -4

Pop then sends Forbes to sub in next stoppage.

DEF: contested miss, rebound. -4
6th: Rudy turnover and stubbed toe. Instead of giving the ball to Aldridge for the post-up, Murray dribbles in and gives it up to Rudy. -4

and that was it.

That tiny sample size of makeable missed threes by White, poor decision making from Murray resulting in 2 turnovers, and a bad pass from White.

Meanwhile

Forbes has a +12, but it's not because he was making plays like Lonnie against Houston in the big comeback.

If Doncic doesn't choke free throws he's only +10.

Forbes made nice driving and-1 and had a nice defensive sequence which was probably more an unforced turnover on Hardaway who didn't respect Forbes' defense and dribbled it off his ankle. But Forbes did stay in front. He also somehow wasn't scored on by Wright, so that's good on one drive, and got away with pushing Wright on another miss. So that's even more good.

There was a DeRozan fast break goaltend which Forbes did nothing special on. White hit a transition three (nothing to do with Forbes). Rudy Gay hit a quick 3.

And then Forbes refused to shoot the pull-up after the great defense from White.

But the spacing presence of Forbes didn't impact the +/- other than a suspect defender coming off a sprained ankle Doncic fearing the three.

Forbes did brick his 2 threes in the final 4:35.

Go through the rest of the game and I'm sure a viewer could break down exactly how Forbes and Marco were not the reason they had positive boxscores. If Doncic hits his free throws and White and Gay miss their threes, and Forbes is only +4, is that because Forbes was 8 points worse? No.

Even the Forbes defense on Hardaway that resulted in a turnover ... That was with Murray denial on Doncic and White on Finney-Smith. If that was Mills or Marco on Doncic or Finney-Smith, I don't know if Hardaway keeps it.

THEN with Murray subbed back in at the Forbes free throw, it's Murray denial on Doncic and White almost creates the turnover on Finney-Smith from behind but DeRozan can't get to it. Then the Doncic foul on the out-of-bounds play.

But even on those two defensive possessions, Murray and White did a good job of keeping the Spurs in play.

I'll roll with Murray-White easily, they'll get better together the more time they play together.

Reminds me of people strangely declaring the Splitter and Tim Duncan couldn't ever be on the court at the same time, because when Pop finally put them on court together while losing in the playoffs against Memphis in tiny sample sizes, they didn't have perfect chemistry. Because in Splitter's first ever playoff game in game 4, first game in 10 days, him being asked to start the 3rd quarter with Duncan, they were -6 in 3 minutes or something dumb like that. Splitter would later start 40 playoff games next to Duncan.

I appreciate the long and detailed reply. Thanks.
No need to persuade me how damaging Forbes is. I'm saying that myself after most games and would limit him to 10-15 minutes off the bench. And I want Lonnie out there as much as the next guy.
It's just I can't see Murray-White-Derozan working in any circumstances, neither theoretically nor practically. Nobody's afraid of them on the three point line.
I think Derozan-Murray escpecially fit awfully and this unnatural fit is one of the reasons we regressed so much from last season. I would trade Derozan away for nothing right now but I guess Spurs don't do it midseason

[objective]

I appreciate the long and detailed reply. Thanks.
No need to persuade me how damaging Forbes is. I'm saying that myself after most games and would limit him to 10-15 minutes off the bench. And I want Lonnie out there as much as the next guy.
It's just I can't see Murray-White-Derozan working in any circumstances, neither theoretically nor practically. Nobody's afraid of them on the three point line.
I think Derozan-Murray escpecially fit awfully and this unnatural fit is one of the reasons we regressed so much from last season. I would trade Derozan away for nothing right now but I guess Spurs don't do it midseason

I don't love DeRozan either, but I don't factor in his badness with how Murray and White go together.

Some of the issues in that 3 minutes was just Murray decision making. Forbes/DeRozan/Walker/Marco don't fix that, that's something Murray has to improve. The turnover on the pass to Aldridge was on Murray. And if Murray feels to crowded by White and his man being in the corner, then he needs to be the point guard and direct White the hell out of there.

When he has everything clear for an Aldridge postup, he should get the ball to him instead of driving aimlessly and dumping it to Rudy Gay and hoping he'll make a play.

White needs to be and stay aggressive, whether it's shooting threes or driving. He has to shoot. Period.

White and Murray, flaws and all, I believe are two of the Spurs best players. Now some may say, 2 of the top 5, others might say 2 of the top 7 ... doesn't matter. The best players have to play, flaws and all. They should not be combining for what is usually under 48 minutes a game. Against the Mavs was a minor miracle, 52 minutes in regulation. And the only way for them to play more than 48 a game is to play together. Better to get the chemistry sorted out yesterday than tomorrow. And if it goes terribly wrong, better to trade White when he has enough years on his rookie deal to still give peak value back in return.

[vavvi]

I don't love DeRozan either, but I don't factor in his badness with how Murray and White go together.

Some of the issues in that 3 minutes was just Murray decision making. Forbes/DeRozan/Walker/Marco don't fix that, that's something Murray has to improve. The turnover on the pass to Aldridge was on Murray. And if Murray feels to crowded by White and his man being in the corner, then he needs to be the point guard and direct White the hell out of there.

When he has everything clear for an Aldridge postup, he should get the ball to him instead of driving aimlessly and dumping it to Rudy Gay and hoping he'll make a play.

White needs to be and stay aggressive, whether it's shooting threes or driving. He has to shoot. Period.

White and Murray, flaws and all, I believe are two of the Spurs best players. Now some may say, 2 of the top 5, others might say 2 of the top 7 ... doesn't matter. The best players have to play, flaws and all. They should not be combining for what is usually under 48 minutes a game. Against the Mavs was a minor miracle, 52 minutes in regulation. And the only way for them to play more than 48 a game is to play together. Better to get the chemistry sorted out yesterday than tomorrow. And if it goes terribly wrong, better to trade White when he has enough years on his rookie deal to still give peak value back in return.

I get your reasoning but I think it's wrong to not consider Derozan like he's not there. Maybe the main problem of that 3 minutes stretch was Murray decision making but still I can't see it work unless there's no Derozan. Imagine White with the ball and Murray AND Derozan stretching. Nobody will be even near them, any opponent is happy letting Derozan and Murray launch as many open threes as possible. Their skillsets just don't compliment each other.

Maybe the way to go is subbing Murray early for White and then playing Murray-White with Derozan on the bench. The takeaway is I get Pop's wanting his pets out there. Can't say the same about not playing Lonnie. After his breakout game that seems borderline crazy.

[objective]

I get your reasoning but I think it's wrong to not consider Derozan like he's not there. Maybe the main problem of that 3 minutes stretch was Murray decision making but still I can't see it work unless there's no Derozan. Imagine White with the ball and Murray AND Derozan stretching. Nobody will be even near them, any opponent is happy letting Derozan and Murray launch as many open threes as possible. Their skillsets just don't compliment each other.

Maybe the way to go is subbing Murray early for White and then playing Murray-White with Derozan on the bench. The takeaway is I get Pop's wanting his pets out there. Can't say the same about not playing Lonnie. After his breakout game that seems borderline crazy.

My response to having DeRozan ill-fitting with Murray and White would be this:

the 3-Man lineups of various starters of Murray-Forbes-DeRozan and White-Forbes-DeRozan have combined for 590 minutes (329 and 261), and net ratings of -6.6 and -10.7

White-Murray-DeRozan has combined for 9 minutes, and in that useless sample size is +. And strangely, it's a monster plus with Marco or Forbes in for DeRozan. I don't think it's necessarily about the third player, I think it's the terror of Murray and White defensively, even with White looking injured so much and Murray on the mend from missing a season.

DeRozan may throw a wrench into things in a serious way, but not playing Murray and White together hasn't exactly worked out, and there's about 30 games and almost 600 minutes to show that.

[Sugus]

My response to having DeRozan ill-fitting with Murray and White would be this:

the 3-Man lineups of various starters of Murray-Forbes-DeRozan and White-Forbes-DeRozan have combined for 590 minutes (329 and 261), and net ratings of -6.6 and -10.7

White-Murray-DeRozan has combined for 9 minutes, and in that useless sample size is +. And strangely, it's a monster plus with Marco or Forbes in for DeRozan. I don't think it's necessarily about the third player, I think it's the terror of Murray and White defensively, even with White looking injured so much and Murray on the mend from missing a season.

DeRozan may throw a wrench into things in a serious way, but not playing Murray and White together hasn't exactly worked out, and there's about 30 games and almost 600 minutes to show that.

Exactly. Forbes and DeRozan are the problems... But then again we won't see a true DJ-White backcourt this season unless DD is shipped out. It's simple - DD is a "star" so you have to start him, and a White-DJ backcourt necessarily has to have DD at the 3, which he sucks at especially on defense. He takes touches away from both other guards, lessening their effectiveness, and in turn his trash defense forces them to overhelp for him. You place Lonnie at the 3, and all these problems are solved - he's a lengthy and willing defender (from the little we've seen at least), a capable and smart shooter, doesn't ball hog and has range, which makes White and especially DJs lives easier as he can stretch the floor.

People criticizing the White-DJ pairing only based on what we've seen so far are clueless, tbh. But then again Pop hasn't put any player in a position to succeed this season.

[TDomination]

My response to having DeRozan ill-fitting with Murray and White would be this:

the 3-Man lineups of various starters of Murray-Forbes-DeRozan and White-Forbes-DeRozan have combined for 590 minutes (329 and 261), and net ratings of -6.6 and -10.7

White-Murray-DeRozan has combined for 9 minutes, and in that useless sample size is +. And strangely, it's a monster plus with Marco or Forbes in for DeRozan. I don't think it's necessarily about the third player, I think it's the terror of Murray and White defensively, even with White looking injured so much and Murray on the mend from missing a season.

DeRozan may throw a wrench into things in a serious way, but not playing Murray and White together hasn't exactly worked out, and there's about 30 games and almost 600 minutes to show that.

Which just seems stupid that Forbes continues to start despite the obvious struggles.

We used to call Pop mad scientist Pop because he loved tinkering with the lineups. And that was when we had great all star players and awesome role players. Now that we have mediocre all star players and mediocre role players he doesn't want to change the lineups? At least not in the way that seems obvious to everyone. I mean what happened to that. It would be a no brainer at this point to do something different because what you are doing is not working. We are not a top 5 seed, our guys don't need more time to let them gel. No...we suck. And we will continue to suck until something changes. Do something different man.

You already tried your forbes/derozan/marco lineups or whatever. Now go the other way. Lets focus on defense and let the offense come where it may. If we can only muster up 90 ppg but we clamp down on D and only allow 95 then thats great! at least we'll have the #1 D in the league. We'll be last in offense but at least we have an identity and have something we can lean on.

[tholdren]

Exactly. Forbes and DeRozan are the problems... But then again we won't see a true DJ-White backcourt this season unless DD is shipped out. It's simple - DD is a "star" so you have to start him, and a White-DJ backcourt necessarily has to have DD at the 3, which he sucks at especially on defense. He takes touches away from both other guards, lessening their effectiveness, and in turn his trash defense forces them to overhelp for him. You place Lonnie at the 3, and all these problems are solved - he's a lengthy and willing defender (from the little we've seen at least), a capable and smart shooter, doesn't ball hog and has range, which makes White and especially DJs lives easier as he can stretch the floor.

People criticizing the White-DJ pairing only based on what we've seen so far are clueless, tbh. But then again Pop hasn't put any player in a position to succeed this season.

Lol. Murray cant do anything, but get a lucky fast break dunk. But if that's what you want from a pg on a winning team, have at it

[Leetonidas]

Post quotes so I can lmao, tbh.

Lol gimme a sec I'll find some from the game thread yesterday

[Leetonidas]

someone asks:
Was Walker hurt at the beginning of the year or something? Why he is only averaging 10 mpg?
sniffer response:

Has to earn his minutes. If he doesn't do what coaches need to see - consistent effort especially on D as he has a tendency to disappear, pick his spots with effort - then it's reflected in his minutes. He can score any time he wants, really, but his athleticism is a known strength. Showing growth in areas less his strengths - defense, facilitating - means more minutes.

In fairness, Beli after completely sucking the firtst ten games or so, has now shot his way back to more minutes - highest 3%.

when someone points out beli is garbage on defense, bitches about Pops obvious pecking order, and lonnie has clearly earned more playing time than marco:


hat's ok if fans feel that way, but this is about the long view. ALL rookies HAVE to EARN their minutes. What I said wasn't my opinion but per Pop interview. We all know what Beli is -- and isn't. When Beli wasn't hitting his shots, he got benched twice (only player in regular rotation) and was playing career lows in minutes. He isn't going to wow anybody with his D. He's out there for his role of off-ball movement and quick shots. And now he's found his shot more to be our best 3% shooter again.

On the other hand, if Lonnie isn't developing what we need from him, he will sit. It's just the only way to earn minutes.

It's a Catch-22 with fans as some want to win but do so with the young players who are frankly way too inconsistent to do so.

It's really not a pecking order (though it may have to do with trust and knowing the system), it has far more to do with nobody skipping steps.

Lonnie will get his chance to shine. But when he does he has to be ready with all the facets of the game the coaches are expecting him to develop. If we don't develop our young guys on both ends, they end up as the more one-dimensional players nobody likes to see out there.

when someone asks how tf is lonnie supposed to shine when Pop plays mindgames and doesnt let him play and learn:


That's ok I really get the frustration, more so with Bryn when he's 'handling' the ball - I feel this starting 2 role is too big for him.

I don't think it's a matter of Pop trying to be anything other than what he's been, it's just that when we aren't winning as easily the development of younger players either becomes something fans more naturally gravitate to or focus on. As the latter happens, they want to speed up the process that grew and developed so many other players before them. Just because we are not playing well is no reason to speed up and skip steps of development - it's how we are going to get better in the future.

Disagree about nobody wanting to play here because of it - DJ, Derrick, Bryn, Jakob as the latest group have all attested to the value of our development, and DJ re-signed.

It's not about sitting after each mistake. Lonnie HAS been getting more playing time, and after Pop talks with him after errors, he has put him back out. It's how Lonnie is learning, too. We WILL need him once the place holders are not on the team. At that time, he has to be as ready as he can be. It's his job to play so well and show what coaches need to see and make Pop play him. If we shortchange the development, we are doing him a disservice in sending the message that it doesn't apply to him.


He'll get his chance. We need to be patient. Lonnie is




when someone asks why tf dont the spurs rebuild already:


This IS the rebuild, Spurs style. We're growing the young guys as the older vets teach and are place holders until younger guys are ready.



when someone points out the Spurs are trash and this season is evidence of their demise:



^ LOL you wish, man. Transition, yes. But these overblown comments always come in losses, and utter silence - like when we won by 30 last game.

We happened to ahve transition from the Big 3 to #2 but, well...

But we actually have a glut of guards coming up in the system who are fare more two-way and D oriented. Just need more developing, so DeMar is a place holder. We also have a young 4 in the system with a broad skill set in development for when LMA is no longer with us.

We'll be fine.



this is just in one thread.... :lmao im sure i can find plenty more. this guy is such a fucking sniffer faggot :lmao : "no one was saying anything when we flukishly shot an ATG TS% against a bottom feeding Grizzly team!" :lmao

[FkLA]

That guy disgusts me, tbh.