NBA Trade Deadline 2020

[ace3g]

Feb. 6 -- NBA Trade Deadline (3 p.m. ET)

[acoelho1]

The more we lose, the more likely LMA and/or DDR gets traded. Looking at January's schedule, having a losing record is highly likely based on the current rotations that Pop utilizes. Feb's schedule will put us out of misery.

[spurs10]

It must be the plan.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1213188703897567234

[Duncan87]

Spurs will pass on everything

[Dverde]

I don’t think Drummond takes enough contested jump shots to earn their interest.

[Texas_Ranger]

wouldnt surprise me if Atlanta gets rid of Collins.

[Prime BEEF]

The spurs will try and run it back next year with the same roster. Although there are plenty of great trade options out there, I expect pop to do nothing.

[JeffDuncan]

:pop: We like what we have.

[DPG21920]

I don’t know why ATL would go in on Drummond. He’s been solid but he’s going to want a max deal and if you give up assets for him you pretty much have to think he’s worth that. Will he elevate ATL so much the next 4 years to be worth it?

Tough decision there. But DET is practice the same logic I’ve spoken about. They are not a very good team and if they aren’t going to be buyers, why risk losing Drummond for nothing next year just for the faint hope of a playoff berth knowing you aren’t the team that wants to pay him money on his next deal?

It’s smart for DET IMO, but lets see what they get and if they go through with it.

[Prime BEEF]

I think Detroit knows they’re screwed with griffins contract and will try to lure someone to take him with Drummond.

Griffin/Drummond/1st Rd pick for Hunter/Reddish/Collins/expiring contracts(Parsons & Crabbe)

[DPG21920]

I think Detroit knows they’re screwed with griffins contract and will try to lure someone to take him with Drummond.

Griffin/Drummond/1st Rd pick for Hunter/Reddish/Collins/expiring contracts(Parsons & Crabbe)

That would be all time stupid for ATL

[pad300]

wouldnt surprise me if Atlanta gets rid of Collins.

You think Collins is going to be available? For what?

[timtonymanu]

Spurs will stand pat like usual

[Chillen]

Spurs will stand pat like usual

If they miss the playoffs that's 100% on the Spurs franchise than. They rarely make moves and when they do like Morris deal they trade away a player that could help the team now get in the playoffs.

If there is a deal to help this teams chances at the playoffs and improve the team, do it take the risk.

Not making any moves or trades, if they miss the playoffs nobody to blame but the Spurs FO.

[szkorhetz]

wouldnt surprise me if Atlanta gets rid of Collins.
I really like Collins.

Why would they pass on him?

[EasyMoney]

They'll be 10 games under 500 by the deadline. And proceed to pass on every potential trade offer for Marco, demar, and lamarcus. Then pop will say he likes what he has and the season still has life left to it. They miss the playoffs, get a decent lottery pick. Draft some euro dude who will be stashed for 3 years. Then Bryn will get $60million. Demar will be maxed and run it back next year with the same roster.

[Leetonidas]

They'll be 10 games under 500 by the deadline. And proceed to pass on every potential trade offer for Marco, demar, and lamarcus. Then pop will say he likes what he has and the season still has life left to it. They miss the playoffs, get a decent lottery pick. Draft some euro dude who will be stashed for 3 years. Then Bryn will get $60million. Demar will be maxed and run it back next year with the same roster.

Sadly there is a 90% chance all of this happens

[gambit1990]

spurs will probably bolster the roster by trading for raymond felton :lol

[Texas_Ranger]

I really like Collins.

Why would they pass on him?

i just think Detroit will want at least one good player in return. And I am pretty sure Trae is off the list. Now if Detroit only wants to clear cap, then yea, i can see them trading Drummond for Parsons and Evan Turner. But I don't really know for who would they clear cap, cause free agents next season are pretty weak. Or is Atlanta ready to give them their first round pick, which I wouldn't do.

[timtonymanu]

spurs will probably bolster the roster by trading for raymond felton :lol

He’s at the end of his career, probably will be the TOSB they sign.

[Shakril]

I dont think spurs need a trade, maybe a Defender but nothing more. The Problem with this roster is the rotation. There is no reason why Poeltl and Lonnie have less playing time than Forbes. LMA and Poeltl are able to play together for a small strech of minutes. DDR plays better than at the start of the season, Murray has decent defense and will be better over time. White, Lonnie and Patty are good from the bench. Forbes and Belinelli should share at max 20 mins per game.
I dont know whats up with carrol but maybe that will be revealed. Lyles and Gay are decent enough to view them as positive.

[RC_Drunkford]

the players that need to get traded are Forbes, Belinelli, Carroll and Lyles. At least 2 of them should be out for an upgrade at SG or the forward spots. Sadly we all know there's no way that Pop trades Forbes. I expect the Spurs to look for a PF since Pop doesn't really play Lyles a lot of minutes and goes with a 4 guard line up a lot of times. He probably thinks that's the teams weak spot and will fix everything while still keeping Forbes in the starting line up.

[RC_Drunkford]

They'll be 10 games under 500 by the deadline. And proceed to pass on every potential trade offer for Marco, demar, and lamarcus. Then pop will say he likes what he has and the season still has life left to it. They miss the playoffs, get a decent lottery pick. Draft some euro dude who will be stashed for 3 years. Then Bryn will get $60million. Demar will be maxed and run it back next year with the same roster.

Pop will keep starting Forbes while Spurs fans complain that Keldon Johnson is in the dog house and doesn't get any minutes. Lonnie Walker is still the last player coming off the bench and averages 15 minutes per game. Pop still doesn't play White and Murray together, but plays Mills and Forbes plenty of times

[dbestpro]

As long as Pop continues to coach there is no good solution.

[gambit1990]

atl wants help but there’s no point. they should just tank.

[MoSpur02]

Something like Derozan to Detroit, Drummond to Boston, and Hayward to San Antonio works. If y'all are still wanting to trade Derozan.

[spurraider21]

Something like Derozan to Detroit, Drummond to Boston, and Hayward to San Antonio works. If y'all are still wanting to trade Derozan.
i'd take that. derozan's the better scorer, but hayward can succeed off the ball, is a better shooter and defender.

[GreekSpursfan]

Hayward after that injury, pass. Atlanta's GM is a joke, we need to start making business with them somehow.

[Prime BEEF]

That would be all time stupid for ATL
Why?

What they have right now isn’t working out too well for them. Hunter and reddish are not playing up to expectations and all they have is TY and Collins. They’d actually have great post play to add to TY and they’d have the #1 pick, #7 pick and #17 pick. TY , BG and Andre plus those 3 picks is a lot more promising then what they have now.

[XDT76]

I would also like to improve the team via trade, but so far had seen very little sensible trade. Why would anyone trade assets for players that we deem to be bad? Who is willing to part asset for half a season for DDR? Not to mention salary match and roster space. Only feasible trade for DDR and LMA is teams wanting to get rid of bad long term contracts trading for DDR to get out of their mess and we wanna pick them up so that the forum and bitch about what a terrible job the FO had done?

The best move now is to replace Forbes with Carroll in the SL and see how the team perform.

[Leetonidas]

Why?

What they have right now isn’t working out too well for them. Hunter and reddish are not playing up to expectations and all they have is TY and Collins. They’d actually have great post play to add to TY and they’d have the #1 pick, #7 pick and #17 pick. TY , BG and Andre plus those 3 picks is a lot more promising then what they have now.

Hunter and Reddish are rookies. It would be incredibly dumb to trade rookie scale players with upside for albatross contracts tied to players who don't even move the needle.

[Prime BEEF]

Something like Derozan to Detroit, Drummond to Boston, and Hayward to San Antonio works. If y'all are still wanting to trade Derozan.
Would rather have Drummond then Hayward. Drummond is younger and can help cover up a lot of this teams weaknesses on defense. Not a big LMA fan but I think he’d excel playing next to Drummond.

[Dejounte]

Steven Adams abused us last night. We need Drummond. Not just because there are many Adams in the league, but because hes a pretty damn good player too.

[SpurPadre]

Spurs and trade deadline is like conflating Trump and rational decision, tbh. It's not going to happen. We have who we have until the offseason.

[Degoat]

Pop running for president is more likely then the spurs doing an in-season trade unfortunately lol

[cutewizard]

Drummond and Kevin Love

[cutewizard]

I would love to have Love

[ducks]

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President Obama Feb 11, 2014

[cutewizard]

I think it might be the Bucks vs the Rockets for the NBA title

[cutewizard]

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[Joseph Kony]

Hmm m

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[cutewizard]

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[cutewizard]

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[ZeusWillJudge]

Would rather have Drummond then Hayward. Drummond is younger and can help cover up a lot of this teams weaknesses on defense. Not a big LMA fan but I think he’d excel playing next to Drummond.

The problem with Drummond is that he can't shoot for shit outside of about 5 feet. Like he's down in the <.350 range outside of 5 feet. I haven't checked lately, but maybe even <.300. That makes him a specialist, and the wrong kind of specialist for the "New NBA".

Add to that the fact that he's making north of $25M this season, and has 2 years left on his contract after this. Putting him on the roster would be a commitment to being a totally different kind of team. I'm not sure they have the personnel to be that kind of team. He would be nice to have in certain circumstances. But when you look at what the Spurs would have to give up to match salaries?

[gambit1990]

Would rather have Drummond then Hayward. Drummond is younger and can help cover up a lot of this teams weaknesses on defense. Not a big LMA fan but I think he’d excel playing next to Drummond.

[tbdog]

Poeltl with minutes could put up some really good numbers. Unfortunately with our lack of shooting, he can't play much with our current team. He sure is a starting centre though and could be sign for as little as 8mil/py.

Edit* Point is, no to Drummond. Besides, he is opting out.

[JeffDuncan]

The problem with Drummond is that he can't shoot for shit outside of about 5 feet. Like he's down in the <.350 range outside of 5 feet. I haven't checked lately, but maybe even <.300. That makes him a specialist, and the wrong kind of specialist for the "New NBA".
...

What I looked at did not show 5 ft, but it did show that about 92% of Drummond's shooting is within 10' of the basket, with almost 60% of that within 3 ft. You are certainly correct that he has no shooting range to speak of.

I took a glance at the raw data, and found that Drummond has attempted 18 3pt shots this season so far, out of which he has made - wait for it - zero.

[JeffDuncan]

Poeltl with minutes could put up some really good numbers. Unfortunately with our lack of shooting, he can't play much with our current team. He sure is a starting centre though and could be sign for as little as 8mil/py.

Edit* Point is, no to Drummond. Besides, he is opting out.

Poeltl doesn't rebound as well as Drummond, which is not surprising since Drummond leads the league. But I was surprised to see how much better Poeltl is at blocking shots. Per 36 minutes, Drummond has a BLK number of 1.9, and Poeltl is 2.9.

I agree on the no to Drummond. For a big man of that general type I'd happily stick with Poeltl.

[ZeusWillJudge]

What I looked at did not show 5 ft, but it did show that about 92% of Drummond's shooting is within 10' of the basket, with almost 60% of that within 3 ft. You are certainly correct that he has no shooting range to speak of.

Oh, I'm full of shit. I'm estimating, based on the stats you saw, and me watching him play. They separate 0-3 feet and 3-10 feet. When I watch him, I don't see much from that 5-10 foot range. It wasn't intended to be exact, but I bet it's not too far off.

I'm actually shocked to hear that he's shot 18 3-pointers. Why I the hell would he shoot any?

Anyway, I don't hate Drummond. But if you're going to pay him $25M, it's sort of a given that you'll start him. And if you're starting him, you really have to build a team around that power center. It's not working out too well for Detroit. I just think that paying him $25M would be even more limiting than paying DeRozan.

[BackHome]

Oh hell no.

[RC_Drunkford]

Drummond lol, 25 million for a guy who can't even shoot free throws. I would target Bogdanovic. Saric is another option that has been suggested around here. Mainly starting caliber forwards and SGs.

[JuneJive]

Saric is pretty mediocre at his best.

Pass.

[John B]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1213188703897567234
Pop is starting to like LMA hitting the 3’s and with accuracy. No way he trades him now. Demar is necessary in setting up plays, that Murray should’ve been doing but not. So yup Demar stays too. I’m not even gonna entertain trade rumors. Spurs staying with the same roster. I actually like it that they don’t. Pop is not playing new players anyways, and would only take minutes from Lonnie already limited time. I rather I see Keldon given a chance in garbage time instead of Marco.

[tbdog]

We really need to do something because the teams construction is flawed. If the Spurs can't find a starting SF to play with DD and Murray, then they need to find a starting SG. And I think that is Walker. Gay must be on the chopping block with one of our guards.

[RC_Drunkford]

Saric is pretty mediocre at his best.

Pass.

and Trey Lyles is what exactly?

[Quadzilla99]

Hayward after that injury, pass. Atlanta's GM is a joke, we need to start making business with them somehow.

We are not getting Hayward for Derozan. But if we we could it would be a steal

[GreekSpursfan]

We are not getting Hayward for Derozan. But if we we could it would be a steal

Post injury Hayward is not that much of a steal, he has lost some burst and quickness and thet fear will always be there with him but Hayward before the injury is obviously a steal and i agree that Celtics will never entertain something like that not because they want to keep Hayward but because DDR is not good enough.

[Realdeal1]

Hayward?? Seriously?? No thanks

[JuneJive]

and Trey Lyles is what exactly?

In terms of production they are pretty much the same.

Iffy outside shot, some rebounding and playmaking.

Lyles is a placeholder but Saric is definetly not an upgrade so we should forget about him.

Samanic has the skillset that is required for that range of positions, and until he comes onto the stage, i don't think they push for someone concrete at his spot.

[CGD]

Drummond —> ATL
DDR —> DET
Parsons Contract + Hunter —> SA

[Leetonidas]

Drummond is such an archaic player in 2020, even moreso than our "stars." There is a reason Detroit hasnt done jack shit with this dude as their best player for years now. he's basically an overpaid Deandre Jordan

[JeffDuncan]

Oh, I'm full of shit. I'm estimating, based on the stats you saw, and me watching him play. They separate 0-3 feet and 3-10 feet. When I watch him, I don't see much from that 5-10 foot range. It wasn't intended to be exact, but I bet it's not too far off.

Your estimate was right on, in principle, and the point is clear. Not a shooter.

However, does Drummond get a lot of assists to shooters? No, only 2.7 per game, so far this season. In the Per 36 stats, Poeltl is a better assist man.



I'm actually shocked to hear that he's shot 18 3-pointers. Why I the hell would he shoot any?


Zeus only knows.



Anyway, I don't hate Drummond. But if you're going to pay him $25M, ...


$28,751,775 is his player option for next season. So it's even worse than that. In ye olde modern NBA, he isn't worth it. Great rebounder, tho.

[Prime BEEF]

Drummond is such an archaic player in 2020, even moreso than our "stars." There is a reason Detroit hasnt done jack shit with this dude as their best player for years now. he's basically an overpaid Deandre Jordan
Disagree. 3s and dunks is what this league is all about now. He’s the perfect player to pair with 4 3pt chuckers. He stays down low and snags all the rebounds and passes back out for more 3s. Occasionally he gets some rebound dunks. A lot of players are lazy now and don’t play defense in this new age. Drummond will protect the rim. Perfect complementary player for today’s game.

[FutureMan]

and Trey Lyles is what exactly?

cheaper and/or probably a free agent next year lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

$28,751,775 is his player option for next season. So it's even worse than that. In ye olde modern NBA, he isn't worth it. Great rebounder, tho.


Yeah, I was only looking at what it would take to match his salary in a trade. The Spurs would be giving up $25M, give or take, in salary. So it's a question of what else they could get for that same $25M. Or, just for comparison, if they were to trade DeRozan for him - which would you rather have? Ten years ago, having a big lumbering big man who dominates the middle would have been much more appealing.

The other point I was making is that $25M (or $28M next year) is a big chunk of the cap. If you commit that much of your cap to one player, you really have to commit to building around his skill set. In the New NBA, committing to his style of play seems sort of self-defeating. If you could have him for say $8M, and be able to use him to complement other players, it's another story. Just pull him out when you need him.



Zeus only knows


:lol Sometimes the ways of puny mortals are a mystery to me. Drummond shooting 3-pointers is a perfect example.

[JeffDuncan]

Disagree. 3s and dunks is what this league is all about now. He’s the perfect player to pair with 4 3pt chuckers. He stays down low and snags all the rebounds and passes back out for more 3s. ...


Except, by his stats, Drummond isn't a good assist man. Only 2.7 per game.

Poeltl is better than Drummond for both assists and blocks, and is currently about $23 million cheaper.

[JeffDuncan]

...

The other point I was making is that $25M (or $28M next year) is a big chunk of the cap. If you commit that much of your cap to one player, you really have to commit to building around his skill set. In the New NBA, committing to his style of play seems sort of self-defeating. If you could have him for say $8M, and be able to use him to complement other players, it's another story. Just pull him out when you need him.

Which begins to sound a lot like Poeltl.... who probably still has about 5 or 6 years of improvement ahead of him.

I was down on Poeltl earlier in the season, but he's changed my mind. And I suspect that Mr. Tim Duncan is doing Poeltl some good.

[R. DeMurre]

Drummond is an expensive dinosaur. You can't build a championship team around him as a high priced centerpiece. I'd rather go for someone like Bjelica, who's effective and a bargain.

[spurspl]

kuz may be available

[ZeusWillJudge]

Which begins to sound a lot like Poeltl.... who probably still has about 5 or 6 years of improvement ahead of him.

I was down on Poeltl earlier in the season, but he's changed my mind. And I suspect that Mr. Tim Duncan is doing Poeltl some good.


I don't think that can be discounted. There's no doubt that Poeltl just started looking like a different species. Some will probably say that it's too quick for Duncan to be responsible, but something sure lit a fire under his ass. And the timing is right. There's no proof, but I wouldn't question you for speculating.

There was a thread here speculating about what it would cost to re-sign Poeltl. If he keeps playing the way he has been, he's not going to be cheap. Not Drummond money, but probably north of what we were guessing in that thread.

[Joseph Kony]

Disagree. 3s and dunks is what this league is all about now. He’s the perfect player to pair with 4 3pt chuckers. He stays down low and snags all the rebounds and passes back out for more 3s. Occasionally he gets some rebound dunks. A lot of players are lazy now and don’t play defense in this new age. Drummond will protect the rim. Perfect complementary player for today’s game.
yeah and that skill is not worth 30 million in todays NBA. lakers are paying howard/mcgee the min to do the same :lol

and really, what top teams have 4 shooters with a big plodding C in the middle who cant shoot outside of 5 feet? the top 3 teams in the east dont, hell Boston and Miami barely have players that qualify as centers :lol . in the west, Lakers start McGee next to Davis only because AD is a pussy who doesnt want to play at C where he is best for them. the only playoff teams that really feature a big C down low are Thunder with Adams and Rockets with Capella who is pretty overrated anyway. most teams are starting a big PF at C and running 3 wing players and a PG nowadays. the age of the big C is over. yeah drummond would be a nice player to have, problem is he thinks he is a max player and in todays NBA you aint winning shit with huge money tied to archaic players.


honestly if Poeltl finds his ballsack and could rebound better he is the perfect starting C for todays NBA. runs the floor well, he's agile, can switch and recover, good positioning, defends the rim, doesnt need the ball. just needs to board better

[Joseph Kony]

kuz may be available

taller Jordan Clarkson? no thanks

[gambit1990]

wouldn't trade la for drummond. would trade demar for him. drummond and la would compliment each other, andre could do the dirty work and la could save energy. who cares if he's opting out, still better than having demar on the roster.

spurs could use a defensive SF but i haven't seen many available...

[gambit1990]

better than doing nothing if you're trying to be competitive:
https://i.imgur.com/DzbRXcP.png

[RC_Drunkford]

cheaper and/or probably a free agent next year lol


Lyles earns almost double the salary that Saric is earning. WTF are you talking about? Bunch of posters talking out of their ass not knowing anything :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

Is there any package the Spurs could cobble together to even think about getting KAT? There is all this talk that he's tired of being in Minny (and who would blame him). Aldridge, Samanic, and next year's first rounder?

[timtonymanu]

Why is Drummond so intriguing to people on here? Lol. I would rather have Blake griffin any day.

[sasaint]

Why is Drummond so intriguing to people on here? Lol. I would rather have Blake griffin any day.

Not at his age with his mileage/injury history on his contract.

Not Drummond, either. No deal with Pistons.

[talkspurs]

Is there any package the Spurs could cobble together to even think about getting KAT? There is all this talk that he's tired of being in Minny (and who would blame him). Aldridge, Samanic, and next year's first rounder?

KAT is not a winner. I know people look at his stats and see what he can do but he is not a winner. People would be complaining about him like they do DDR here in a year or 2. Good stats guy (like DDR) but not a winner.

[TD 21]

Drummond would be a horrible fit with Aldridge. Even if the latter was amendable to going full B. Lopez to try to space the floor for the former's rim runs (it'd be all for naught anyway because Murray can't shoot), there's a lack of ball skills (dribble, pass, shoot) as well as defensive versatility.

And why is Towns even being debated? Even if he requests a trade (he probably gives them at least the off season first), this team doesn't have even close to the requisite centerpiece asset required to acquire a top 12 player.

[gambit1990]

after i posted that the spurs should trade for jae crowder... he put up 27/8/7, had 3 steals and 3 blocks against the clippers.

[RC_Drunkford]

Looks like Philly is willing to move Horford for shooters. He'd be the perfect fit next to Aldridge, but 33 and on a 4 year deal makes me say pass. Mills, Belinelli and Carroll for Horford would work though....

[cd021]

Is there any package the Spurs could cobble together to even think about getting KAT? There is all this talk that he's tired of being in Minny (and who would blame him). Aldridge, Samanic, and next year's first rounder?

KAT is under contract for four more seasons, Minny would expect a huge haul. The Spurs can't "out asset" another team but if he forced his way out and wanted to come to San Antonio then this would probably be the outline of a trade:


Minny Gets:

Aldridge
Derrick White
DeMarre Carroll
2020, 2022, 2024 1st rounders

Spurs Get:

Karl Anthony Towns
Gorgui Dieng

[FkLA]

Frontcourt isn't even that big of an issue. Priority number one should be a legitimate 3&D guy. Get Forbes the fuck out and have DeMar, Lonnie, and new 3&D guy eat up most of the minutes at the 2/3. Sprinkle a little bit of Wombat in there at the 2. Instant darkhorse contenders, tbh.

[r0drig0lac]

Looks like Philly is willing to move Horford for shooters. He'd be the perfect fit next to Aldridge, but 33 and on a 4 year deal makes me say pass. Mills, Belinelli and Carroll for Horford would work though....

Keldon (and Metu) could be full time with the main team in this scenario

[KobesAchilles]

Not 2020 stuff but the Nets are gonna move on from Kyrie in 2 years. I wonder if we will be in the mix for him since we have a relationship with Marks

For this year it’s Hayward or bust for me.

[Biggems]

I see our interest peaked if we can find mediocre jump shooters, who play no defense, and are past their prime.

[r0drig0lac]

Not 2020 stuff but the Nets are gonna move on from Kyrie in 2 years. I wonder if we will be in the mix for him since we have a relationship with Marks

For this year it’s Hayward or bust for me.

Spurs should offer the GM position to him.

[Trueblood]

I would also like to improve the team via trade, but so far had seen very little sensible trade. Why would anyone trade assets for players that we deem to be bad? Who is willing to part asset for half a season for DDR? Not to mention salary match and roster space. Only feasible trade for DDR and LMA is teams wanting to get rid of bad long term contracts trading for DDR to get out of their mess and we wanna pick them up so that the forum and bitch about what a terrible job the FO had done?

The best move now is to replace Forbes with Carroll in the SL and see how the team perform.

Saw an article the other day suggesting a trade you describe here. Trading DDR to Minnesota for Wiggins to get out of his contract. They were saying that Minnesota will probably have to trade KAT soon and they will be looking to rebuild. Getting out of Wiggins contact could be important while getting DDR helps keep fans in the seats for a bit.

[RC_Drunkford]

Keldon (and Metu) could be full time with the main team in this scenario

I'll take Keldon over Forbes and Belinelli any day

[mo7888]

Looks like Philly is willing to move Horford for shooters. He'd be the perfect fit next to Aldridge, but 33 and on a 4 year deal makes me say pass. Mills, Belinelli and Carroll for Horford would work though....

That would be a trade that ups our ceiling this year. I agree with you that 4 years would be tough to swallow. Who is reporting this?

[RC_Drunkford]

That would be a trade that ups our ceiling this year. I agree with you that 4 years would be tough to swallow. Who is reporting this?

yeah and that would really get us back into being a real playoff threat.


The Sixers’ poor spacing is of particular concern, especially for Embiid. Sources say the Sixers will search the trade market for perimeter shooting threats with playmaking ability, (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28419048/sixers-joel-embiid-admits-losing-streak-taking-toll-me) a need that was apparent as Philadelphia went 6-of-27 from 3-point range Friday night. 16 hours ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/sixers-looking-for-help/) – via Tim MacMahon @ ESPN (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28419048/sixers-joel-embiid-admits-losing-streak-taking-toll-me)

They are not mentioning Horford, but his fit with Embiid has been a concern and the Sixers don't really have depth. Their starting 5 is good, but they need serious bench players who are knock down shooters. Probably an unrealistic trade scenario, but who knows
(https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28419048/sixers-joel-embiid-admits-losing-streak-taking-toll-me)

[mo7888]

yeah and that would really get us back into being a real playoff threat.



They are not mentioning Horford, but his fit with Embiid has been a concern and the Sixers don't really have depth. Their starting 5 is good, but they need serious bench players who are knock down shooters. Probably an unrealistic trade scenario, but who knows
(https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28419048/sixers-joel-embiid-admits-losing-streak-taking-toll-me)

Gotcha...thanks for the info. Maybe if they don't put horford on the block we can find a away to extract some value from Forbes or belli and pawn one of them off on the Sixers if they're desperate....

[ElNono]

Something like Derozan to Detroit, Drummond to Boston, and Hayward to San Antonio works. If y'all are still wanting to trade Derozan.

Hell no. That’s DDR for fucking Hayward? Just say no.

[DMC]

Spurs fans should set an age lower threshold at 35. That's about the youngest decent player we'll get.

[spurspl]

taller Jordan Clarkson? no thanks

hes way better than clarkson and has more potential than any other our player

[Leetonidas]

hes way better than clarkson and has more potential than any other our player

He's really not and he really doesn't

[Realdeal1]

Looks like Kuzma’s personal trainer drama with Lebron has resulted in Kuzma being on the trading block lol

[KobesAchilles]

Looks like Kuzma’s personal trainer drama with Lebron has resulted in Kuzma being on the trading block lol
Link?

[Realdeal1]

Bleacher report is reporting that the lakers are listening to offers for kuzma ...coincidence after kuzma’s personal trainer shades Lebron after Christmas Day loss to the clippers ... I would love kuzma on the spurs but I know it wouldn’t happen...Don’t even know how that trade would work but I’d be cool with a derozan for kuzma swap

[tbdog]

Lakers won't trade with Spurs as much as Spurs won't trade with Lakers. Besides, Spurs really need a defensive wing that can shoot. Regardless if DD is going or staying, Spurs have committed to Murray.

[Realdeal1]

Lakers won't trade with Spurs as much as Spurs won't trade with Lakers. Besides, Spurs really need a defensive wing that can shoot. Regardless if DD is going or staying, Spurs have committed to Murray.

Yup... Knicks , Lakers , and Pacers all have bad blood with spurs FO ... a trade with those teams will never happen

[RC_Drunkford]

Kuzma for Forbes works. I mean Forbes is a starter, he's worth it

[timtonymanu]

Didn’t Kuzma on record say he rather play for a losing big market than a winning small market? We’re neither, fuck that guy tbh

[r0drig0lac]

Fuck Kuzma

[DPG21920]

Kuz sucks

[ZeusWillJudge]

Love is making all kinds of noise about wanting out of Cleveland.

[Realdeal1]

Kevin Love reunion with Lebron in LA?

[Prime BEEF]

Cleveland will have to attach their 1st rd pick with Love in order to get any takers. I wonder if they are willing to do that.

[TD 21]

Forward version of Clarkson is exactly what Kuzma is.

I'm not a fan at all and wouldn't do it, but I wonder if the Spurs would do White for Kuzma.

I know about the cold war between the organization's, but the Spurs are supposedly fans and I believe he was their first choice in that draft, with Bradley second and White third and to be fair, he would fill a positional need.

They've committed to Murray and though it's not pressing, at some point they probably will have to make a choice, unless they want to lock up something like $30M annually for non stars, who mostly play the same position.

Sure, they can play some together, but Walker or White defending big wings shouldn't be a thing long term.

[spurspl]

Forward version of Clarkson is exactly what Kuzma is.

I'm not a fan at all and wouldn't do it, but I wonder if the Spurs would do White for Kuzma.

I know about the cold war between the organization's, but the Spurs are supposedly fans and I believe he was their first choice in that draft, with Bradley second and White third and to be fair, he would fill a positional need.

They've committed to Murray and though it's not pressing, at some point they probably will have to make a choice, unless they want to lock up something like $30M annually for non stars, who mostly play the same position.

Sure, they can play some together, but Walker or White defending big wings shouldn't be a thing long term.

u guys r so funny, overvalue spurs players so much and undervalue the others. kuz for white?? no way, nobody would do this trade except u

[Dejounte]

Kuzma is fool's gold

[cd021]

Forward version of Clarkson is exactly what Kuzma is.

I'm not a fan at all and wouldn't do it, but I wonder if the Spurs would do White for Kuzma.

I know about the cold war between the organization's, but the Spurs are supposedly fans and I believe he was their first choice in that draft, with Bradley second and White third and to be fair, he would fill a positional need.

They've committed to Murray and though it's not pressing, at some point they probably will have to make a choice, unless they want to lock up something like $30M annually for non stars, who mostly play the same position.

Sure, they can play some together, but Walker or White defending big wings shouldn't be a thing long term.

I wouldn't do White for Kuz either tbh.

I don't think White is going to be that expensive so I don't think PATFO would mind paying both.

Nate Duncan and John Holinger pegged his value at $10 million per season and I would think that his ceiling is probably around $13 million per.

[spurspl]

I wouldn't do White for Kuz either tbh.

I don't think White is going to be that expensive so I don't think PATFO would mind paying both.

Nate Duncan and John Holinger pegged his value at $10 million per season and I would think that his ceiling is probably around $13 million per.

yup bc hes not as good as kuz

[Prime BEEF]

u guys r so funny, overvalue spurs players so much and undervalue the others. kuz for white?? no way, nobody would do this trade except u
Even if the lakers had no bad blood, they wouldn’t trade kuzma for White. I like white, but around the league he’s not seen as being near kuzma’s level.

[cd021]

yup bc hes not as good as kuz

Kuz is a high volume scorer, has a below average true shooting percentage and a bad defender.

I'd take White over Kuz hands down

[r0drig0lac]

Sacramento is among the teams that has tried to engage the Lakers in Kyle Kuzma trade talks, league sources say. The Kings know they would have to include sharpshooter (and soon-to-be restricted free agent) Bogdan Bogdanovic, for starters, in a Kuzma deal

[exstatic]

atl wants help but there’s no point. they should just tank.

Apparently, Trae is already complaining about their roster. Tanking likely wouldn’t be the best choice to retain him, long term.

[gambit1990]

Sacramento is among the teams that has tried to engage the Lakers in Kyle Kuzma trade talks, league sources say. The Kings know they would have to include sharpshooter (and soon-to-be restricted free agent) Bogdan Bogdanovic, for starters, in a Kuzma deal
i feel like this is gonna happen. twitter is abuzz with it.

[spurspl]

kuz for bogdanovic gonna happen, im pissed off bogdanovic would be a perfect fit for spurs but patfo still do nothing, screw them

lakers 2020 champs

[RC_Drunkford]

there goes PATFO's chance to get a SG who could actually start - or is a legit 6th man if you keep starting Walker

:pop: "We got Bryn and Marco"

[Maddog]

kuz for bogdanovic gonna happen, im pissed off bogdanovic would be a perfect fit for spurs but patfo still do nothing, screw them

lakers 2020 champs

Who would they trade that Sacramento would want?
And who would the Spurs wish to give for a one year rental?
I don;t see any trades form the Spurs. They have no coveted assets.

[Robz4000]

:lmao if the Kings take the Lakers' garbage for Bogdavonic

[BatManu20]

Kuzma sucks a fat one. Want him nowhere near the Spurs. Lakers won’t deal with us anyways.

[spurspl]

Who would they trade that Sacramento would want?
And who would the Spurs wish to give for a one year rental?
I don;t see any trades form the Spurs. They have no coveted assets.

yyy ddr or lma or rudy gay+keldon or 2nd pick???

[Ignazzz]

yyy ddr or lma or rudy gay+keldon or 2nd pick???
bravo!!!
lets check nów CBA rules

[TimDunkem]

Bogdanovic is on everyone's radar right now. The Kings could get a much better deal than anything the Spurs would be willing to offer.

[SPURt]

DDR/Forbes for Bogdanovic/Barnes

That Barnes contract and ability are butt cheeks but the trade works numbers wise, taking on that contract is the only chance the Spurs have at Bogdanovic. Ew.

[Sugus]

I don't get why everyone's so focused on trading for a SG like Bogdan. We've been calling for more Lonnie minutes all season... And he's best played as a 2, though he can play the 3 against smaller units. What we truly lack is a real SF - I don't think Keldon has the size to be one, and if we got one we could stop playing DD out of position (though the best case scenario includes trading DD out for said hypothetical SF, I don't see the Spurs trading him before the off-season). Our next most pressing need is a real PF - LaMarcus shooting 3's doesn't change the fact that he's a C in today's NBA, and Luka looks a year away at best and probably wouldn't be a starter his first year with the main squad.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't get why everyone's so focused on trading for a SG like Bogdan. We've been calling for more Lonnie minutes all season... And he's best played as a 2, though he can play the 3 against smaller units. What we truly lack is a real SF - I don't think Keldon has the size to be one, and if we got one we could stop playing DD out of position (though the best case scenario includes trading DD out for said hypothetical SF, I don't see the Spurs trading him before the off-season). Our next most pressing need is a real PF - LaMarcus shooting 3's doesn't change the fact that he's a C in today's NBA, and Luka looks a year away at best and probably wouldn't be a starter his first year with the main squad.

Because Pop plays players out of position so you might just get an SG who's taller and better than Bryn Forbes. It would fix a lot

[C-Dub]

Trade Rudy and Forbes for future projects and a bad contract of any front court player (SF, PF, C) because your not in contention to win a title and still would have the same chance to make it to the playoffs so that the young guys get that experience under their belt. The Spurs new rotation after getting rid of Rudy and Forbes:

DJM
LW4
DDR
Lyles
LMA

White
Patty
Beli
Bad contract player from trade
Jakob



Weatherspoon - Signed to full time contract
KJ
Player from the G-League
Dominic
Metu

2-Way (Eubanks)




Carroll
Jakob

[jermaine]

If we trade Rudy, imma be pissed. He's the only consistent Spur.

[DPG21920]

If we trade Rudy, imma be pissed. He's the only consistent Spur.

Jermaine, you’re that dude, but what? Rudy has been booty this year.

[tbdog]

If we trade Rudy, imma be pissed. He's the only consistent Spur.

He can't play SF anymore (Or Spurs told him to bulk up to play only PF as a reaction to the Nuggets series). And he can't play center. At least our guards, Murray/Walker/White/DD can play multiple positions.

[Prime BEEF]

If we trade Rudy, imma be pissed. He's the only consistent Spur.
DDR has been consistent all year. Not a fan at all of his game but he’s been consistent. All the other player’s performances fluctuate like crazy.

[CGD]

Yeah, we ain’t trading anyone...

[NASpurs]

:pop: "We just beat the best team in the NBA. You think we need a trade? Go read up on Iran."

[sasaint]

Yeah, we ain’t trading anyone...

Actually, we are a good, starting-caliber 3 & D SF away from being a pretty good team. We have 5 guards who could absorb all the minutes in the backcourt: Derrick, Dijon, Dumbmar, Lonnie, and Patty. We have 2 legit players at the 5: LMA and Poodle. We have 2 guys who can hold down the 4: Rudy and Trey. We can go small with Dumbmar at the 3, but really we have ZERO legit 3s, so Pop has to cobble together lineups with a 2 or a 4 playing the 3, and the trickle-down effect of playing Dumbmar or Rudy or Trey or (heaven forbid) Marco at the 3 is devastating.

[jermaine]

Maybe I'm just a Rudy fan. But my 3 fav Spur right now is Trey Lyles, after Purtel. I flip flop between Derozen an LaMarcus for 1st.

[RC_Drunkford]

Actually, we are a good, starting-caliber 3 & D SF away from being a pretty good team. We have 5 guards who could absorb all the minutes in the backcourt: Derrick, Dijon, Dumbmar, Lonnie, and Patty. We have 2 legit players at the 5: LMA and Poodle. We have 2 guys who can hold down the 4: Rudy and Trey. We can go small with Dumbmar at the 3, but really we have ZERO legit 3s, so Pop has to cobble together lineups with a 2 or a 4 playing the 3, and the trickle-down effect of playing Dumbmar or Rudy or Trey or (heaven forbid) Marco at the 3 is devastating.

we said the same thing last year and what happened at the deadline? Nothing

[Prime BEEF]

Maybe I'm just a Rudy fan. But my 3 fav Spur right now is Trey Lyles, after Purtel. I flip flop between Derozen an LaMarcus for 1st.
This team is weird for me. I usually have some favorites. But I don’t have any with this team. I honestly would not care if the entire roster was switched out.

[sasaint]

we said the same thing last year and what happened at the deadline? Nothing

Worse - what happened all off-season?

[spurspl]

This team is weird for me. I usually have some favorites. But I don’t have any with this team. I honestly would not care if the entire roster was switched out.

same

[Mugen]

:pop: "We just beat the best team in the NBA. You think we need a trade? Go read up on Iran."

:lol

[SpurSpike]

Warriors just waived Marquese Chriss a young 22 year old former lottery pick. Waive Marco and pick up Marquese Chriss remaining salary. Much better defense (than Marco), and athletic i think he just needs direction and what better team do help out a developing player. Marcos contract is up at the end of the year anyways so we wouldn't have to keep paying him after this year.

[ZeusWillJudge]

They just announced that AD declined a max extension to test free agency. Maybe the Spurs could...nah.




Warriors just waived Marquese Chriss a young 22 year old former lottery pick. Waive Marco and pick up Marquese Chriss remaining salary. Much better defense (than Marco), and athletic i think he just needs direction and what better team do help out a developing player. Marcos contract is up at the end of the year anyways so we wouldn't have to keep paying him after this year.


Off the top of my head, I don't think I like Chriss as well as Lyles. I'm all for ditching Beli, though. Dump his ass, and bring up Keldon.

[jermaine]

Warriors just waived Marquese Chriss a young 22 year old former lottery pick. Waive Marco and pick up Marquese Chriss remaining salary. Much better defense (than Marco), and athletic i think he just needs direction and what better team do help out a developing player. Marcos contract is up at the end of the year anyways so we wouldn't have to keep paying him after this year.

He's been ballin his ass off. Please sign him.

[spurspl]

They just announced that AD declined a max extension to test free agency. Maybe the Spurs could...nah


bc he can sign 5yrs/202mil with lakers during the summer

[ZeusWillJudge]

bc he can sign 5yrs/202mil with lakers during the summer


LOL. Ya think? I was getting in before anyone suggested that signing him in the offseason is even a remote possibility. (Like the discussions about him last season.) I guess I have to use the blue font more often.

[tbdog]

Chriss was waived because Warriors wanted to keep d league players over him.

[212094ever]

Chriss is trash

[Duncan87]

Gary Clark waived good 3ND guy. I’d waive / trade Marco just for him

[TD 21]

u guys r so funny, overvalue spurs players so much and undervalue the others. kuz for white?? no way, nobody would do this trade except u

:lmao Is this an attempt at being funny? I literally put in bold that I wouldn't do it.



I wouldn't do White for Kuz either tbh.


I don't think White is going to be that expensive so I don't think PATFO would mind paying both.

Nate Duncan and John Holinger pegged his value at $10 million per season and I would think that his ceiling is probably around $13 million per.

How did they come up with that number and why would his ceiling be significantly lower than a player he's comparable too? I'm not saying this will be wrong necessarily, but it doesn't make any sense.

PrimeBeef is probably right though, about Kuzma (inexplicably) having more value around the league. More established names like Covington and Bogdanovic have been reported, which is probably more in line with what they'd seek.

[cd021]

:lmao
How did they come up with that number and why would his ceiling be significantly lower than a player he's comparable too? I'm not saying this will be wrong necessarily, but it doesn't make any sense.



Holinger was much higher on White but was confused by what happened to White this season. Duncan mentioned that he thought that White was basically overrated after the Game 3 against Denver. He still likes White but thinks he's a backup guard and seems to be higher on Murray than White.

[rjv]

a trade is not the panacea for this team; unless the spurs decided to just start all over again and invest in future trade picks they should not do anything on a monumental scale. i also don't really expect this trade deadline to offer any blockbusters.

[gambit1990]

i don't see AD coming to the spurs, of course, but he had said previously that the spurs were one of a handful of franchises that he'd trust with his health.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/vndsgn/status/1214675915114008577

[XDT76]

Holinger was much higher on White but was confused by what happened to White this season. Duncan mentioned that he thought that White was basically overrated after the Game 3 against Denver. He still likes White but thinks he's a backup guard and seems to be higher on Murray than White.

I was of the opinion that as last year was the first time that he had an extensive season, couple with the summer with NT, his body is not ready for this season. There is reason why so many players opt out of NT to get ready for NBA. We shall see if the theory is correct after the all-star weekend where he will have 10 off day to recuperate.

[RC_Drunkford]

How funny would it be if Bertans ends up on the Nuggets and then destroys the Spurs in a playoff match up :lmao :lmao

I'd love to see Senilovich's face afterwards.

[sasaint]

How funny would it be if Bertans ends up on the Nuggets and then destroys the Spurs in a playoff match up :lmao :lmao

I'd love to see Senilovich's face afterwards.

What face? Pop would smile and hug Davis.

[Prime BEEF]

What face? Pop would smile and hug Davis.
Yup. He’d be cheering for Davis the entire game and be excited to hug him after the game

[XDT76]

bc he can sign 5yrs/202mil with lakers during the summer

Sorry, I am not familiar with the NBA contracts, does that mean LAL cannot offer him a max extension?

[Coach X]

Chriss?? No way.

Spurs doesn't need empty athleticism nor soft shooting they need smart and solid players.

There is enough young athletic promising players in our club (don't forget Metu, Samanic and Johnson). Spurs need to replace the Forbes, Marco, and the lack of mental toughness and basketball IQ our starters and youngs have.

[lmbebo]

Sorry, I am not familiar with the NBA contracts, does that mean LAL cannot offer him a max extension?


LAL can offer max. Just the max number increases this summer.

[ZeusWillJudge]

What face? Pop would smile and hug Davis.


:pop: "I made him better by keeping him on the bench so long. Then I sent him out to achieve his potential."

[emanueldavidginobili]

1215262616186163200

[CGD]

^ No joke but Patty would fit well there.

[RiverwalkParade]

Carroll, Beli, Forbes, and Kelvin Johnson to Memphis for Iggy and a 2nd

[Russ]

1215262616186163200

Perhaps Beli or even Mills to Philly? (The organizations are friendly after all.)

[r0drig0lac]

Carroll, Beli, Forbes, and Kelvin Johnson to Memphis for Iggy and a 2nd

?

[Leetonidas]

Carroll, Beli, Forbes, and Kelvin Johnson to Memphis for Iggy and a 2nd

No thanks

[sasaint]

Carroll, Beli, Forbes, and Kelvin Johnson to Memphis for Iggy and a 2nd

If you mean Keldon Johnson, no way.

[SpurSpike]

So sad to see Bertans with such strong trade value when we gave him up for nothing...

[exstatic]

Chriss was waived because Warriors wanted to keep d league players over him.

It's worse than that. They're waiving him to keep Damion Lee, a 27 YO who hasn't even played a full seasons worth of games over 3 seasons so far, and has no upside or great skill, but just happens to be Steph's brola. :rollin:rollin

[RC_Drunkford]

So sad to see Bertans with such strong trade value when we gave him up for nothing...

I never understood why they did that. He was the best trade asset this team had. A 7 million expiring contract for a tall 3-point sniper in his mid-20s is a perfect contract to build a trade around. If they had him now and Pop still would want to move him, you could easily package him and Beli for another starting PF.

[exstatic]

I never understood why they did that. He was the best trade asset this team had. A 7 million expiring contract for a tall 3-point sniper in his mid-20s is a perfect contract to build a trade around. If they had him now and Pop still would want to move him, you could easily package him and Beli for another starting PF.

Marcus Morris? Ringing any bells? They didn't just offload him as a salary dump. This is where armchair GMs fail. They don't understand that things have to go in sequence to stay within the CBA, and that one little wrench in the works, like that two faced asshole Morris, can fuck up a roster.

[SpurSpike]

Marcus Morris? Ringing any bells? They didn't just offload him as a salary dump. This is where armchair GMs fail. They don't understand that things have to go in sequence to stay within the CBA, and that one little wrench in the works, like that two faced asshole Morris, can fuck up a roster.

Yes but they weren't trading for Marcus Morris. Morris was a free agent. The Spurs dumped Bertans for cap space, there is a difference between that and a trade. If a player has real trade value it seems like a waste.

[RC_Drunkford]

Marcus Morris? Ringing any bells?

I knew some idiot would say exactly that, like I don't know about the offseason moves :lol

I was specifically talking about giving Bertans away for free. There were other options. Like giving Belinelli and Forbes away instead. Or Belinelli and Metu. Or not signing Carroll. Or signing Carroll for 5.9 million in the first year so you can absorb his contract by trading Belinelli alone. It was pretty clear that the best role player contract on the team was Bertans, especially when you factor in the salary range. You should never give up an valuable asset like that for nothing. They didn't even get a 2nd-rounder back

[JuneJive]

Had Morris chose the Spurs that wouldve been the return for Bertans.

The rest falls on him pussying out and CBA paperwork.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Marcus Morris? Ringing any bells? They didn't just offload him as a salary dump. This is where armchair GMs fail. They don't understand that things have to go in sequence to stay within the CBA, and that one little wrench in the works, like that two faced asshole Morris, can fuck up a roster.

Yes but they weren't trading for Marcus Morris. Morris was a free agent. The Spurs dumped Bertans for cap space, there is a difference between that and a trade. If a player has real trade value it seems like a waste.

Neither of those are right. You're not going to like this, but the whole thing was spawned by the fact that THE big move of the offseason was supposed to be signing Carroll. The Spurs announced on 6/30 that they were filling their last roster spot by giving Carroll a chunk of the MLE. Morris wasn't even in the picture. If someone had offered Morris a >MLE deal right off the bat, this roster would have Bertans and Carroll. Look for yourself: https://airalamo.com/2019/06/30/san-antonio-spurs-sign-demarre-carroll/

Now ask yourself, "If Carroll can't get minutes now, how would he ever have gotten minutes if they had kept Bertans?" It' because he thought there was a chance that Carroll would be taking some of Bertans' minutes. Otherwise they wouldn't have signed Carroll, would they?

Morris slipped through the cracks, and the Spurs suddenly thought they could land him for just the full MLE. But that was a problem, since they had already committed to signing Carroll. Yeah, Morris screwed the Spurs. But the real fuckup was in ever wanting to sign Carroll, and under-valuing Bertans.

[gambit1990]

i hope okc adds to their roster and tries to contend instead of blowing it up. they’ve been a real fun team to watch. cp3 has been a monster in the clutch.

[CGD]

Neither of those are right. You're not going to like this, but the whole thing was spawned by the fact that THE big move of the offseason was supposed to be signing Carroll. The Spurs announced on 6/30 that they were filling their last roster spot by giving Carroll a chunk of the MLE. Morris wasn't even in the picture. If someone had offered Morris a >MLE deal right off the bat, this roster would have Bertans and Carroll. Look for yourself: https://airalamo.com/2019/06/30/san-antonio-spurs-sign-demarre-carroll/

Now ask yourself, "If Carroll can't get minutes now, how would he ever have gotten minutes if they had kept Bertans?" It' because he thought there was a chance that Carroll would be taking some of Bertans' minutes. Otherwise they wouldn't have signed Carroll, would they?

Morris slipped through the cracks, and the Spurs suddenly thought they could land him for just the full MLE. But that was a problem, since they had already committed to signing Carroll. Yeah, Morris screwed the Spurs. But the real fuckup was in ever wanting to sign Carroll, and under-valuing Bertans.

This is a much better take/analysis than the poster saying they “gave Bertans away for free.” Of course they didn’t give Bert away for free; they made the exact calculation you state here. Of course now with the benefit of foresight we can tell it was the wrong judgement call.

[objective]

Now might be the time to trade Derrick White while he's only on year 3 of his rookie deal, giving teams a minimum of one more year plus the qualifying tender.

If he almost never is allowed to play with Murray ... Murray presumably will move into 30+ minutes a game eventually.

I wonder what they could get for him.

[GAustex]

Seeing what Carroll offers now
What the hell did anyone see in him?

[TDMVPDPOY]

getting rid of bertans for peanuts who never got the green light to chuck

while fkn scrubs like mills, forbes, belli are allowed to chuck

[RC_Drunkford]

The Spurs (16-20; eighth in the West) have been exploring the market for DeRozan, but a source with knowledge of his situation is quick to point out that the free-agent-to-be has a significant influence on the situation here too. (https://theathletic.com/1521675/2020/01/10/nba-trade-big-board-16-players-who-could-move-before-the-deadline/) DeRozan, who has a $27.7 million player option for next season, will have the freedom to walk this summer if he doesn’t like his next landing spot. It’s tough to find serious takers when you know the guy might skip town in just a few months. Meanwhile, there remains the possibility that he could sign an extension to remain in San Antonio (I reported in October that the sides were far apart, but those talks aren’t dead). With the Spurs somehow still in position to set a new NBA record by securing their 23rd consecutive playoff berth, DeRozan is leading the team in scoring (21.7 points per game) and assists (4.9 per). 1 day ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1309237/) – via Sam Amick @ The Athletic
(https://theathletic.com/1521675/2020/01/10/nba-trade-big-board-16-players-who-could-move-before-the-deadline/)

[gambit1990]

glad the spurs are exploring the market.

[gambit1990]

de-fense

better than doing nothing if you're trying to be competitive:
https://i.imgur.com/DzbRXcP.png

[gambit1990]

if PATFO had balls:
https://i.imgur.com/aknZK9r.png

cp3 / white
lonnie / forbes
crowder / iguodala
la / luka
drummond / poeltl

[JeffDuncan]

if PATFO had balls: ...


And absolutely no brains whatsoever.

[gambit1990]

And absolutely no brains whatsoever.
:lmao

cp3 / white
lonnie / forbes
crowder / iguodala
la / luka
drummond / poeltl

^ that roster could go up against any team in the west come POs. much improved defense and has three point shooting in cp3, forbes, la, luka.

[gambit1990]

drummond helps with AD, howard, mcgee, his size also hurts the clips. crowder and iggy help with lebron, kawhi, PG. but i guess you value demar, gay, beli more :lol

[Degoat]

Only trade I can see happening is maybe Marco Belinelli to a contender

[mo7888]

The Philadelphia Inquirer is reporting that the 76ers are interested in acquiring Galloway and Kennard from Detroit. I'm not sure what Kennard's price tag is but I'd kick the tires and find out.

[timtonymanu]

had the Spurs beaten Memphis yesterday I would have been fine with standing pat. But it’s clear this team needs upgrades. You don’t want to tank, fine. But don’t stick with a roster that is making you 8th seed at best.

[sasaint]

Only trade I can see happening is maybe Marco Belinelli to a contender

Contenders don't suddenly decide to tank halfway through the season.

[sasaint]

had the Spurs beaten Memphis yesterday I would have been fine with standing pat. But it’s clear this team needs upgrades. You don’t want to tank, fine. But don’t stick with a roster that is making you 8th seed at best.

One L is the hinge your evaluation swings on?

[Degoat]

Contenders don't suddenly decide to tank halfway through the season.

Ignorant take bro lol, a team that has good defenders and play-makers (most contenders) could use Belinelli’s shooting ability

[RC_Drunkford]

if PATFO had balls:
https://i.imgur.com/aknZK9r.png

cp3 / white
lonnie / forbes
crowder / iguodala
la / luka
drummond / poeltl

unrealistic, Grizzlies want a pick for Iggy

[RC_Drunkford]

Only trade I can see happening is maybe Marco Belinelli to a contender

:pop:"What do you mean with Marco to a contender? We are a contender"

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/1217507552751161344

Ok - Poeltl for De’Andre Hunter , let’s make it happen.

[jermaine]

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/1217507552751161344

Ok - Poeltl for De’Andre Hunter , let’s make it happen.

Fuck that... I love Poeltl.. I pray the Spurs isnt dumb enough for this.

[TimDunkem]

Fuck that... I love Poeltl.. I pray the Spurs isnt dumb enough for this.

Center is the easiest position to fill in today's league. Hell, Jahlil Okafor was dusted off for one night and he had a big game. Look around the league. Most teams don't have these amazing all-world centers. You can fill the position adequately for cheap. Drew Ewwbanks has a fucking roster spot in this league for God's sake.

This is also why I :lol everytime someone suggests trading for Drummond. Stop overvaluing centers in 2020, people.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Interesting if true. Wonder why Atlanta insist on taking a non shooting center - Drummond, Poeltl and I think they are interested in Adams as well. They’d probably look to offer someone like Bembry. It’s a no for me.

[Excessive Egotist]

Depends on what is coming back, of course. But Spurs have pathways to replace Poeltl's minutes with Mulitinov and Eubanks. Although, losing Poeltl makes the Spurs a much easier first round out in 2020.

I'm not sure what value a non-shooting center has in today's NBA, even for those centers who offer excellent rim protection. I doubt the Spurs could get a future first. A pair for future seconds or something like Jabari Parker and a second is probably the most market value you'd see returned.

Using Poeltl to generate assets that are sent elsewhere in a three team that returns a top 8 rotation guy to Spurs...that feels like something the Spurs would be more likely to explore. Covington, Gallinari, etc...

I don't like any of Atlanta's young players outside Young and Collins, who aren't on the market.

If I'm Atlanta, I'd much rather have Poeltl than Drummond.

[Ignazzz]

My wet dream Hunter

[Excessive Egotist]

My wet dream Hunter

Hawks would be selling super low on last year's No. 4 pick. Begs the question...why?

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Hawks would be selling super low on last year's No. 4 pick. Begs the question...why?
I don't care why. We need a SF and a 20 year old SF who can still be molded would be really nice to get.

UNless you meant why would the Hawks be that stupid :lol

[bluebellmaniac]

Center is the easiest position to fill in today's league. Hell, Jahlil Okafor was dusted off for one night and he had a big game. Look around the league. Most teams don't have these amazing all-world centers. You can fill the position adequately for cheap. Drew Ewwbanks has a fucking roster spot in this league for God's sake.

This is also why I :lol everytime someone suggests trading for Drummond. Stop overvaluing centers in 2020, people.

And yet we pay ours $27M

[DPG21920]

Again, if sa doesn’t have plans to keep Jakob, then I would definitely be open to trade him. If SA is not going to invest in winning, nothing they can trade away (DeRozan, Poeltl, LMA) changes any real outcome for them.

What are they going to be a few more games under 500? Big whoop.

[Chillen]

As much as I would love the Spurs to trade for CP3 I don't see the Thunder trading him now that they are in the playoff picture. I like that deal for all teams way up the page but it's pure fantasy. Spurs look to be headed for a rebuild in the future sadly. They are going to try and get that playoff record and likely start a rebuild next season. Now what players will be involved with the rebuild I don't know. A rebuild is inevitable.

Unless they make a trade or something that is.

[RC_Drunkford]

Thad Young apparently wants to be traded. Seems like Chicago is ok with just a 2nd-rounder and expiring deals. Something like Beli + either of Carroll or Lyles would do the job.

[Maddog]

Thad Young apparently wants to be traded. Seems like Chicago is ok with just a 2nd-rounder and expiring deals. Something like Beli + either of Carroll or Lyles would do the job.

Yes
Let's trade for a soon to be 32 year owed 29 million
I'm only in favor of a trade that has long term potential.

[TimDunkem]

And yet we pay ours $27M

He's a PF. Not exactly a traditional center like Poeltl, and you really just proved my point that you don't need to look hard to find someone to fill the position.

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/1217507552751161344

Ok - Poeltl for De’Andre Hunter , let’s make it happen.

That would be amazing. We do have Mulitinov, Eubanks, and Metu as a back up options at the big, no?

[slick'81]

That would be amazing. We do have Mulitinov, Eubanks, and Metu as a back up options at the big, no?


We arent getting hunter for poodle:lol

[Dejounte]

Will yall stop bringing up Milutonov? He will never come here.

[TimDunkem]

Will yall stop bringing up Milutonov? He will never come here.

Not likely. There are still some here waiting on Hanga.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yes
Let's trade for a soon to be 32 year owed 29 million
I'm only in favor of a trade that has long term potential.

That salary is sitting on the bench right now. I'd rather have it in the staring line up. And he's younger than Beli, Carroll and Gay

[RC_Drunkford]

:bobo

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1217856901226147840

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1217854890858381313

[RC_Drunkford]

Watch Pop trade White :lmao

[ginobilized]

3 weeks to go of not making a trade.
We will watch a few minor moves happen in the league and wish the Spurs were in the mix.

On the positive side, DeMarre Carroll should be very fresh for the rodeo road trip.

[FutureMan]

Watch Pop trade White :lmao

I read this and for some reason immediately thought of a Covington for Carroll and White trade....

[Ignazzz]

Draft #20 is weak.
Hunter for Poeltl and lotto protected pick is worth try

[TimDunkem]

3 weeks to go of not making a trade.
We will watch a few minor moves happen in the league and wish the Spurs were in the mix.

On the positive side, DeMarre Carroll should be very fresh for the rodeo road trip.

He's the one guy who looks like he isn't playing for a legitimate reason. He's slow and looks like he can barely run.

[ace3g]

The trade market for Robert Covington has intensified over recent days, according to rival teams that spoke with The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/1539528/2020/01/16/sources-jeff-teague-deal-may-just-be-the-beginning-for-timberwolves-as-trade-pursuit-of-dangelo-russell-intensifies/).
The Houston Rockets, Dallas Mavericks and Philadelphia 76ers have expressed interest in Covington.
Minnesota is expected to hold firm on a high asking price for Covington. Covington has $25 million remaining on his current contract over the next two seasons and has a great relationship with Karl-Anthony Towns.

Jon Krawczynski, Shams Charania/The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/1539528/2020/01/16/sources-jeff-teague-deal-may-just-be-the-beginning-for-timberwolves-as-trade-pursuit-of-dangelo-russell-intensifies/)

[DavidTheGoliath]

If the wolves are smart they wouldnt trade a guy whom their franchise player has great relationship with.

[ginobilized]

He's the one guy who looks like he isn't playing for a legitimate reason. He's slow and looks like he can barely run.

That was a Norm MacDonald-esque piece of sarcasm

[TD 21]

Watch Pop trade White :lmao

Not at the trade deadline, but I wouldn't rule it out in the off season.

His lack of confidence/agressiveness is Hill esque, he turns 26 this year, they've (foolishly) already comitted to Murray and they're nowhere near dynamic enough on ball or proficient enough off ball to be the "back court of the future".

Hard to say what he'll cost, but if I'm his agent, I'd be seeking a comparable contract to Murray and if I'm the Spurs, I wouldn't want to tie up near or at $30 million annually in a back court with the limitations I detailed.

If they trade DeRozan in the off season and acquire Fournier, Bogdanovic (3-way), Winslow, etc., that could seal White's fate. At that point, I could see them trying to package him with their pick to move up or for a youngish four.




Thad Young apparently wants to be traded. Seems like Chicago is ok with just a 2nd-rounder and expiring deals. Something like Beli + either of Carroll or Lyles would do the job.

If they're going to go another season with the "mid 3" (which mostly hinges on DeRozan's willingness to opt in), would they?

Though he's pulled an Aldridge in terms of significantly upping his 3-point volume, he still shoots them less frequently than Lyles, but even in decline he's a better, more versatile defender.

Even if they were inclined in theory, the $4.65 million difference in '21-'22 guarantees between him and Carroll could give them pause.

[Dex]

Spoiler alert: The Spurs are not going to make any moves.

[sasaint]

If the wolves are smart they wouldnt trade a guy whom their franchise player has great relationship with.

Unless they are also planning on moving their "franchise guy"...

[DavidTheGoliath]

Unless they are also planning on moving their "franchise guy"...

Brent for KAT. Lets do it Khan!

[ragas]

Draft #20 is weak.
Hunter for Poeltl and lotto protected pick is worth try

I'm sure you meant Hunter and a pick for Poeltl. Otherwise it makes no sense.

[exstatic]

Brent for KAT. Lets do it Khan!

KAT to GS for DRuss. Minny gets their PG, and a decent return on a player that everyone knows wants out. The dollars are an EXACT match. It’s almost like they planned this shit.

[Prime BEEF]

KAT to GS for DRuss. Minny gets their PG, and a decent return on a player that everyone knows wants out. The dollars are an EXACT match. It’s almost like they planned this shit.
DRuss and 1st Rd pick for KAT is what twolves are most likely asking for

[Prime BEEF]

I'm sure you meant Hunter and a pick for Poeltl. Otherwise it makes no sense.
Spurs definitely win that trade. Hopefully Atlanta offers that

[Prime BEEF]

Spoiler alert: The Spurs are not going to make any moves.
Agreed. It’s pop. He’s not doing anything because in a way it would be him admitting he was wrong. Can’t have that.

[Excessive Egotist]

Spurs definitely win that trade. Hopefully Atlanta offers that

Hunter and Reddish are not having impressive rookie campaigns. Both are kind of blah. I don't think it's open and shut case that it's not better for Spurs to keep Poeltl. Poeltl is a sure thing as a rotation level player to starter for the next five years or more. Still young, still improving. But if either Hunter or Reddish is available I'd make the move because in best case scenarios, Poeltl is likely a career 15-20 mpg guy and Hunter and Reddish should average closer to 30 mpg IF they develop well.

Poeltl has some fantasies about developing a three point shot which seems ludicrous to me. But I would not have bet on Baynes or Dedmon to become reliable floor spacers either. So who knows.

If I'm Atlanta, I like Poeltl's fit next on offense. And on defense, he's an ideal safety net against Young's perimeter short comings. It's a nice fit for Atlanta. Young, Huerter, Collins, Poeltl, and one Hunter/Reddish with money to spend in free agency is a good set up for the Hawks.

[Prime BEEF]

Hunter and Reddish are not having impressive rookie campaigns. Both are kind of blah. I don't think it's open and shut case that it's not better for Spurs to keep Poeltl. Poeltl is a sure thing as a rotation level player to starter for the next five years or more. Still young, still improving. But if either Hunter or Reddish is available I'd make the move because in best case scenarios, Poeltl is likely a career 15-20 mpg guy and Hunter and Reddish should average closer to 30 mpg IF they develop well.

Poeltl has some fantasies about developing a three point shot which seems ludicrous to me. But I would not have bet on Baynes or Dedmon to become reliable floor spacers either. So who knows.

If I'm Atlanta, I like Poeltl's fit next on offense. And on defense, he's an ideal safety net against Young's perimeter short comings. It's a nice fit for Atlanta. Young, Huerter, Collins, Poeltl, and one Hunter/Reddish with money to spend in free agency is a good set up for the Hawks.
Don’t forget about the 1st rd pick. We were discussing Hunter and a 1st for Poetl

[exstatic]

Hunter and Reddish are not having impressive rookie campaigns. Both are kind of blah. I don't think it's open and shut case that it's not better for Spurs to keep Poeltl. Poeltl is a sure thing as a rotation level player to starter for the next five years or more. Still young, still improving. But if either Hunter or Reddish is available I'd make the move because in best case scenarios, Poeltl is likely a career 15-20 mpg guy and Hunter and Reddish should average closer to 30 mpg IF they develop well.

Poeltl has some fantasies about developing a three point shot which seems ludicrous to me. But I would not have bet on Baynes or Dedmon to become reliable floor spacers either. So who knows.

If I'm Atlanta, I like Poeltl's fit next on offense. And on defense, he's an ideal safety net against Young's perimeter short comings. It's a nice fit for Atlanta. Young, Huerter, Collins, Poeltl, and one Hunter/Reddish with money to spend in free agency is a good set up for the Hawks.

Tankathon had Reddish as high ceiling, low floor, and a pretty good chance to bust. Hunter isn't exactly tearing it up, but I'd take him 7 days a week over Reddish. His stats are at least acceptable for an NBA rook, even if they don't jump off of the page. Reddish is just stinking up the joint. 32.3 FG%? Are you kidding me?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/KellyIkoNBA/status/1218190851404333068

[Sugus]

https://twitter.com/KellyIkoNBA/status/1218190851404333068

Rockets continue trying to mortgage their future only to crumble come Playoffs time :lmao you love to see it

[jermaine]

https://twitter.com/KellyIkoNBA/status/1218190851404333068

Trade Westbrook for who? Lmmfao

[Prime BEEF]

Trade Westbrook for who? Lmmfao
Could trade Westbrook to Cleveland for Love and Exum

[jermaine]

Could trade Westbrook to Cleveland for Love and Exum

Why would Cavs do that exactly?

[Prime BEEF]

Why would Cavs do that exactly?
Why wouldn’t they?