Dalvin Cook or Patrick Henry?

[Spurtacular]

Best RB in the league right now?

[spurraider21]

who is patrick henry

[SpursforSix]

who is patrick henry

Give me liberty or give me death!

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[BD24]

You just gonna forget CMC like that? Especially shocking for you since he is white.

1. Christian
2. Henry
3. Chubb
4. Dalvin

[BD24]

Barkley up there as well if healthy

[SpursforSix]

You just gonna forget CMC like that? Especially shocking for you since he is white.

1. Christian
2. Henry
3. Chubb
4. Dalvin

PPR?

But seriously, I think you could exchange a lot of quick pass catching backs for CMC and have comparable seasons. He's just not a great power runner at all.

[DAF86]

Whoever gets the best O-line and scheme, tbh.

[SpursforSix]

Whoever gets the best O-line and scheme, tbh.

That's it.

[Spurtacular]

But seriously, I think you could exchange a lot of quick pass catching backs for CMC and have comparable seasons. He's just not a great power runner at all.

CMC in a class of his own as an all-around back. Stop.

Barkley only guy comparable.

[Spurtacular]

You just gonna forget CMC like that? Especially shocking for you since he is white.

1. Christian
2. Henry
3. Chubb
4. Dalvin

CMC is best on any given day, which is why I didn't like the one CBS faggot doing him dirty in his post game analysis of the GB game.

I think his usage rate at least as it pertains to the run should be lower than the two guys I mentioned.

[SpursforSix]

CMC in a class of his own as an all-around back. Stop.

No way. He’s just average as a power runner. Go check his game log and see how many times he got shut down.

[The Gemini Method]

Patrick Henry beat the Patriots. How curious.

[BD24]

CMC is best on any given day, which is why I didn't like the one CBS faggot doing him dirty in his post game analysis of the GB game.

I think his usage rate at least as it pertains to the run should be lower than the two guys I mentioned.
If your talking about just straight running and not considering receiving it’s Chubb and Henry in my mind. Anddd, Chubb had the season he did despite having some guy who had no business being a D3 coach as his coach. For me Chubb is th best if we’re looking at just running

[HarlemHeat37]

Whoever has the best offensive line and gets the least defensive attention in the box.

[Spurtacular]

Whoever has the best offensive line and gets the least defensive attention in the box.

He has a legit candidacy; but I'm not buying that yet.

[phxspurfan]

Barkley up there as well if healthy

lol

[phxspurfan]

Henry easily. He's the only RB who has proven he can carry a team, literally, on his back. The others are overrated scat backs. Zeke would be good but hes tiny compared to Henry. Everybody is, tbh.

Bell would put up good numbers if he stayed in Pittsburgh but was a system RB.

Drake may be breaking out in AZ.

Mattison may break out at some point...

[SpursforSix]

Lots of names getting thrown out. Mixon is as good as many of them.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The Saints' Thomas Paine is the best receiver in the league, I hear.

[spurraider21]

Josh Jacobs tbh

[Spurtacular]

Henry easily. He's the only RB who has proven he can carry a team, literally, on his back. The others are overrated scat backs. Zeke would be good but hes tiny compared to Henry. Everybody is, tbh.

Bell would put up good numbers if he stayed in Pittsburgh but was a system RB.

Drake may be breaking out in AZ.

Mattison may break out at some point...

Zeke is garbage. A year or two ago he was hot garbage.

Dalvin Cook for real, son. You haven't been watching.

[phxspurfan]

Zeke is garbage. A year or two ago he was hot garbage.

Dalvin Cook for real, son. You haven't been watching.

He’s good but getting injury prone

[Millennial_Messiah]

He’s good but getting injury prone

Cook has been injury prone since he stepped foot into the NFL

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Patrick Henry was one of our first patriots and yet he beat the Patriots:smokin

[Bill_Brasky]

Any RB who plays for the Niners imo

[spurraider21]

harlem is mostly right, that RB production is based in large part on scheme and situation... but thats not to say that running backs dont have unique attributes which allow them to perform better in similar situations

for example, compare leveon bell to trent richardson. they have comparably size/speed, but Bell was made famous for his "vision" and "patience" when running behind Pittsburgh's line. meanwhile, trent richardson had probably the worst vision/instincts of any RB in recent memory. but Bell's vision and patience mattered for dick-all when he ran behind the jets shitty OL.

zeke does have the benefit of running behind a great line, but tbh i almost always see him fall forward. every run that looks like it should be 4 yards ends up being 6 :lol... so there's value in that. i dont think he's a saquon-esque talent but he's probably in that second tier, along with guys like mixon, jacobs, cook, henry.

i think saquon/cmc are the most talented backs in the league. saquon is pretty generational as far as raw ability. from the 2000s, i can only really think of Peterson/LT that were in that category. maybe Chris Johnson too, for a short time

[Will Hunting]

harlem is mostly right, that RB production is based in large part on scheme and situation... but thats not to say that running backs dont have unique attributes which allow them to perform better in similar situations

for example, compare leveon bell to trent richardson. they have comparably size/speed, but Bell was made famous for his "vision" and "patience" when running behind Pittsburgh's line. meanwhile, trent richardson had probably the worst vision/instincts of any RB in recent memory. but Bell's vision and patience mattered for dick-all when he ran behind the jets shitty OL.

zeke does have the benefit of running behind a great line, but tbh i almost always see him fall forward. every run that looks like it should be 4 yards ends up being 6 :lol... so there's value in that. i dont think he's a saquon-esque talent but he's probably in that second tier, along with guys like mixon, jacobs, cook, henry.

i think saquon/cmc are the most talented backs in the league. saquon is pretty generational as far as raw ability. from the 2000s, i can only really think of Peterson/LT that were in that category. maybe Chris Johnson too, for a short time
Yeah imo Saquon is easily the best RB in the NFL right now, esp since his production is despite a shit offensive line.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah imo Saquon is easily the best RB in the NFL right now, esp since his production is despite a shit offensive line.

I don't think so about Barkley. He's wayyyyy too feast or famine. He either gets stuffed or gets a huge gain. I'd much rather have a guy who can tear through the middle of the trees for a consistent tough 4, 5, 6, 7 yards a carry. A few years ago that used to be Zeke, before he sadly got lazy and washed up.

Henry is one of those LG Blount, Marshawn Lynch guys that just gets better late in the game because of their tree trunk lower body is almost impossible to tackle when you're tired on defense.

That said I don't think there is a clear best running back in the NFL. In 2015 it was AP, in 2016 it was Zeke, in 2017 it was Bell, last year Gurley before the injury... I don't think there is a truly *above the pack* RB out there right now, and more and more teams are using RBBC as well.

[GAustex]

Dalvin Cook?
Lol

[Robz4000]

Derrick Henry would've made this game interesting imo.

[Spurtacular]

Dalvin Cook?
Lol

All the sudden it was naked bootlegs and screens against a team that isn't even that good against the run.

Cook got 9 carries in favor of a QB that passed for 172 yards on 29 attempts.

I will concede that Cook looked worn down today though. No explosion.

[Spurtacular]

Henry wears the crown. Debate over.

[GAustex]

Dalvin is good but Henry is big time.
Playoff yards are hard to come by.

[phxspurfan]

Give me liberty? Naw, give me 200 yards and a touchdown every week

[Spurtacular]

Dalvin making a claim again.

1. Cook: 858 yds, 6.0 ypg, 12 TD
2. Henry 843 yds, 4.8 ypg, 8 TD

[Millennial_Messiah]

Dalvin making a claim again.

1. Cook: 858 yds, 6.0 ypg, 12 TD
2. Henry 843 yds, 4.8 ypg, 8 TD
will Cook threaten the AP record?

[phxspurfan]

Give me liberty, or give me Dalvin Cook

[Spurtacular]

will Cook threaten the AP record?

Not this season; but minuscule chance for next season.

My money is still on Henry being best. He's beast mode in big games.

But I have to give Dalvin his due. He's the only one in the discussion with him right now.

[spurraider21]

Not this season; but minuscule chance for next season.

My money is still on Henry being best. He's beast mode in big games.

But I have to give Dalvin his due. He's the only one in the discussion with him right now.
dalvin is more technically proficient... henry just has absurd physical talent

one of the most important traits for a RB is vision, and Dalvin excels at that. he'll pick the right hole, make consecutive cuts to lead linebackers into filling the wrong gap, etc. then he has pretty remarkable straight line explosion to burst through arm tackles and whatnot.

dalvin is still a very good physical talent, but not so much laterally like Peterson (though very few guys have that). but henry stiff arms defensive linemen into the ground tbh :lol. oddly enough, despite his size, henry isn't really at his best running between the tackles, he does his best bouncing it outside where he can run over the secondary and hit home runs

kamara should be in the convo too as an all around back

as pure runners go though, i think Nick Chubb definitely needs to be in this discussion