Boeing 737 Crashes Leaving Tehran Killing All Aboard

[DMC]

1. Why was a passenger plane leaving on a night when a dozen or so missiles were fired into Iraq?
2. Was it shot down by anti-aircraft/missile battery in Iran?
3. Will they ever tell the truth about it?
4. Reeks of a coverup


So 56 dead during funeral, 176 or so dead on plane leaving Tehran.. that's 237 counting the 5 dead in the drone strike, yet not a single US casualty.

Yeah that makes sense.

Not getting much coverage. Interesting they are already calling it a mechanical failure.

[TheGreatYacht]

https://mobile.twitter.com/morphonios/status/1214755634102571008

This dude has been talking about that...

[TheGreatYacht]

https://mobile.twitter.com/morphonios/status/1214753266900328449

[FrostKing]

1. Why was a passenger plane leaving on a night when a dozen or so missiles were fired into Iraq?
2. Was it shot down by anti-aircraft/missile battery in Iran?
3. Will they ever tell the truth about it?
4. Reeks of a coverup


So 56 dead during funeral, 176 or so dead on plane leaving Tehran.. that's 237 counting the 5 dead in the drone strike, yet not a single US casualty.

Yeah that makes sense.

Not getting much coverage. Interesting they are already calling it a mechanical failure.
Muh military contractor

[DMC]

Jodanian news outlet stating that air defense missile in Iran shot the plane down. Of course everyone says it then confirms it.

[DMC]

https://mobile.twitter.com/morphonios/status/1214755634102571008

This dude has been talking about that...

I doubt many here read anything you post because they all have you blocked and ignored due to your spamming and tagging. You know this.

[DMC]

Muh military contractor

Since the drone strike.

[Trainwreck2100]

someone really really really wants a war in iran

[FrostKing]

Need update

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/uploads/5/US_Grim_Reaper_International.jpg

[Spurs Homer]

#4- cover ups bad now?

[hater]

most likely scenario is a shoulder fired missile hit it after it took off.

someone on the ground with a launcher. could have been basically anybody. most likely as revenge for Iran attack or to embarrass them. it was fired hours after Iranian missile attack.

my money is on sunni jihadi intructed by Saudi and even with mossad CIA overlords

[DMC]

Iran refuses to deliver black box from Crash

[hater]

Iran refuses to deliver black box from Crash

very smart of Iran to do this

sending the black box to a US company/US slave nation would be a pretty stupid thing to do

[DMC]

very smart of Iran to do this

sending the black box to a US company/US slave nation would be a pretty stupid thing to do

Especially if you shot it out of the sky.

[Spurtacular]

Iran refuses to deliver black box from Crash

Obama's buddies not stepping up?

[TheGreatYacht]

very smart of Iran to do this

sending the black box to a US company/US slave nation would be a pretty stupid thing to do

Yup. The United States are not trustworthy nation. It's been proven time after time.

[ChumpDumper]

very smart of Iran to do this

sending the black box to a US company/US slave nation would be a pretty stupid thing to doI don't know the protocol in these situations. Does the country where the crash happened have jurisdiction (sure seems that way in the US) or is it the home base of the airline? Do they share the voice and data recorders and/or the info therein?

[CosmicCowboy]

It's interesting that there were so many canadians on board

[SpursforSix]

It's interesting that there were so many canadians on board

Indeed. What are you thinking? Possible CSIS agents? Or radicalized canucks dispersing?

[DMC]

It's interesting that there were so many canadians on board

I pretty sure everyone on board was Iranian they just live in Canada. People were most likely there for the soleimani funeral and I believe 12 of them at least we're students at a university in Canada.

[SpursforSix]

I pretty sure everyone on board was Iranian they just live in Canada. People were most likely there for the soleimani funeral and I believe 12 of them at least we're students at a university in Canada.

ah...so double agents

[DMC]

ah...so double agents
It's shocking to me that they would allow a flight to leave anyhow. It's shocking that Ukraine would accept a flight from Iran at that time. I can't believe that during a situation like that anyone would think it's safe to take a passenger plane up into the air.

I can see people wanting to get the hell out of there before the US retaliates and I can see Iran putting their high-ranking people on a plane to get them out but normal come and go traffic makes no sense during a missile strike.

[SpursforSix]

It's shocking to me that they would allow a flight to leave anyhow. It's shocking that Ukraine would accept a flight from Iran at that time. I can't believe that during a situation like that anyone would think it's safe to take a passenger plane up into the air.

I can see people wanting to get the hell out of there before the US retaliates and I can see Iran putting their high-ranking people on a plane to get them out but normal come and go traffic makes no sense during a missile strike.

For sure. Would be interesting to see their social media posts before boarding to see what they were thinking.

[ChumpDumper]

Apparently the US would normally be involved because it's a US made plane. Oddly enough, sending US officials over there to help would violate current sanctions.

[Chucho]

For sure. Would be interesting to see their social media posts before boarding to see what they were thinking.

"SOOOOO TIRED. Cant wait to get home and crash."

[SpursforSix]

"SOOOOO TIRED. Cant wait to get home and crash."

:lol

[boutons_deux]

"some say" the plane was accidentally shot down. Would the BB prove that?

[CosmicCowboy]

"some say" the plane was accidentally shot down. Would the BB prove that?

yes

[ElNono]

Iran missiles so shitty, you can intercept them with a Boeing...

[hater]

already been concluded it was not a missile as no shrapnel found. american security personel confirm this

only 2 options are: engine malfunction (the possibilities of this happening within hours of missile strike are just too crazy) or a bomb/sabotage

the bomb could have been placed in ukraine and detonated just as plane was turning around after picking up passengers in teheran

most plausible scenario

[CosmicCowboy]

Looks more and more like a bomb or it was shot down. Was at 8000 ft. And dropped from there on fire according to Iran.

[hater]

T The investigation into this week's deadly plane crash in Iran could be hampered by U.S. sanctions on the country, which will restrict Boeing staff from traveling to the country without special U.S. government permission.

crazy lunatic US state. first denying UN visa to Iranian FM and now restricting investigation into civilian airliner tragedy

[SpursforSix]

T The investigation into this week's deadly plane crash in Iran could be hampered by U.S. sanctions on the country, which will restrict Boeing staff from traveling to the country without special U.S. government permission.

crazy lunatic US state. first denying UN visa to Iranian FM and now restricting investigation into civilian airliner tragedy

They're not specifically restricting Boeing staff. I'm sure that they'll get the permission to go.
If not, then you can make your point.

[boutons_deux]

Iran missiles so shitty, you can intercept them with a Boeing...

Iran can buy American, Russian, Chinese high-tech weapons and high-tech components on the international black market

[baseline bum]

Iran missiles so shitty, you can intercept them with a Boeing...

You could say the same for our missiles tbh

[ElNono]

You could say the same for our missiles tbh

True tbh

[DMC]

News agencies now saying Iran missile strike took down passenger plane. New general not off to great start.

Called it (no victory lap... thoughts and prayers)

[hater]

have to agree w the niga below. Iran had stopped launching missiles for hours before this plane went down.

https://twitter.com/o_rich_/status/1215311077782753280?s=21

[DMC]

have to agree w the niga below. Iran had stopped launching missiles for hours before this plane went down.

https://twitter.com/o_rich_/status/1215311077782753280?s=21
Its coming from the Ukraine. AA batteries were active in Iran. Your sources are questionable at best. Also you seem geographically retarded.

[hater]

Its coming from the Ukraine. AA batteries were active in Iran. Your sources are questionable at best. Also you seem geographically retarded.

so AA batteries were active sure but US did not send 1 retaliatory missile this no AA battery was used. had US been sending missile retaliation and AA batteries attempting to shoot those down then you could have a point. but that wqs not the case

I guess its possible an AA battery operator fell asleep and inadvertently fell on the fire button.

[DMC]

so AA batteries were active sure but US did not send 1 retaliatory missile this no AA battery was used. had US been sending missile retaliation and AA batteries attempting to shoot those down then you could have a point. but that wqs not the case

I guess its possible an AA battery operator fell asleep and inadvertently fell on the fire button.

You have no idea how the anti aircraft battery works.

[spurraider21]

have to agree w the niga below. Iran had stopped launching missiles for hours before this plane went down.

https://twitter.com/o_rich_/status/1215311077782753280?s=21
:lol have you read that dude's feed? he's a quack. now he's saying the US shot the plane down :lmao

[hater]

:lol have you read that dude's feed? he's a quack. now he's saying the US shot the plane down :lmao

dont need to

i agree w the statement i quoted thats all

[hater]

You have no idea how the anti aircraft battery works.

neither do you obviously :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

https://mobile.twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1215342407061065728

[DMC]

neither do you obviously :lol

Yeah I only calibrated their guidance systems

[DMC]

:lol have you read that dude's feed? he's a quack. now he's saying the US shot the plane down :lmao

That's why I said hater doesn't know geography. Look at where the airport is located in relation to the border of Iran and Iraq.

[RandomGuy]

so AA batteries were active sure but US did not send 1 retaliatory missile this no AA battery was used. had US been sending missile retaliation and AA batteries attempting to shoot those down then you could have a point. but that wqs not the case

I guess its possible an AA battery operator fell asleep and inadvertently fell on the fire button.

smh

No. That is some Dunning Kruger material if there ever was some.

Or it is possible that the Iranian military is on edge seeing US bomber boogeymen everywhere.

[RandomGuy]

:lol have you read that dude's feed? he's a quack. now he's saying the US shot the plane down :lmao

"I saw a youtube about a tweet about Biden"

Seriously had to take an old classmate to task over that exact thing.

Useful.
Idiots.

[boutons_deux]

Iran most likely downed Ukraine airliner with missiles, U.S. officials believe

​
WASHINGTON/KIEV (Reuters) - A Ukraine airliner that crashed in Iran, killing all 176 people aboard, was

most likely brought down accidentally by Iranian air defenses,

U.S. officials said on Thursday

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-crash/iran-most-likely-downed-ukraine-airliner-with-missiles-u-s-officials-believe-idUSKBN1Z80I3?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-crash/iran-most-likely-downed-ukraine-airliner-with-missiles-u-s-officials-believe-idUSKBN1Z80I3?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29)

[SnakeBoy]

So scared after lobbing missiles they shot down a passenger plane leaving their own airplane but we need to cower to their great military might.

1215343521328222208

[pgardn]

So scared after lobbing missiles they shot down a passenger plane leaving their own airplane but we need to cower to their great military might.

1215343521328222208

This basically terrorism.
Its quite an effective method of fighting a superior power.
I think the Trump admin understood that after blowing up a general.

[boutons_deux]

This basically terrorism.
Its quite an effective method of fighting a superior power.
I think the Trump admin understood that after blowing up a general.

As The Great Boutons initially guessed, this appears to have been an accident by Iran's SAM missiles, on alert from attacks from Trash.

170+ dead as a consequence of Trash's ignorant recklessness

[RandomGuy]

So scared after lobbing missiles they shot down a passenger plane leaving their own airplane but we need to cower to their great military might.

1215343521328222208

So many shit-takes you should be being chased by Japanese chefs...

Militaries of all capabilities have shot down airliners.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

And

No one is saying cower, dumbass.

We do need to not underestimate the threat they can pose. So many Trump boot lickers appear eager to do so, and it is alarming.

[hater]

Yeah I only calibrated their guidance systems

sure you did, Nancy

[DMC]

sure you did, Nancy

Who the fuck lies about that? If I was going to lie about my military service I would say I was a SEAL or some badass. I wouldn't say I was doing calibrations.

Your shtick has been utterly destroyed. According to you an F35 was shot down and Baghdad is on fire. I get trying to be edgy and be funny but you basically showed yourself to be a retard.

[DMC]

Iran shoots down their own fucking commercial airliner and yet the trolltards are still here trying to spin the shit in the complete opposite direction. Talk about dunning-kruger it's in full effect in this thread.

[TheGreatYacht]

https://mobile.twitter.com/morphonios/status/1215379610277425153
https://mobile.twitter.com/morphonios/status/1215378489806917643

[SpursforSix]

https://mobile.twitter.com/morphonios/status/1215379610277425153
https://mobile.twitter.com/morphonios/status/1215378489806917643

NM...that's a different video than the other

[DMC]

And before someone tries to say it wouldn't have happened if the US didn't kill the general so therefore it's the problem of the US and the responsibility. The truth is those missile batteries would not have been active had Iran not decided to launch missiles into Iraq. The United States has no control over whether they do that or not. Iran shot their own plane down.

[ChumpDumper]

Wasn't it a Ukrainian plane?

[DMC]

Wasn't it a Ukrainian plane?

Hurr durr

Yes but it was full of Iranians. Pretty sure no one's concerned about the plane itself except Boeing.

[ChumpDumper]

Hurr durr:lol what a little bitch you've become.

You were just wrong. It's OK.

[TheGreatYacht]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1215388810747482112

[DMC]

:lol what a little bitch you've become.

You were just wrong. It's OK.

I said so. The Iranians shot down a plane full of their own people

Chumpy: "weren't some from somewhere else?"

Spurtacular is right about you, you live for the tiny w.

[DMC]

most likely scenario is a shoulder fired missile hit it after it took off.

someone on the ground with a launcher. could have been basically anybody. most likely as revenge for Iran attack or to embarrass them. it was fired hours after Iranian missile attack.

my money is on sunni jihadi intructed by Saudi and even with mossad CIA overlords


very smart of Iran to do this

sending the black box to a US company/US slave nation would be a pretty stupid thing to do


T The investigation into this week's deadly plane crash in Iran could be hampered by U.S. sanctions on the country, which will restrict Boeing staff from traveling to the country without special U.S. government permission.

crazy lunatic US state. first denying UN visa to Iranian FM and now restricting investigation into civilian airliner tragedy


have to agree w the niga below. Iran had stopped launching missiles for hours before this plane went down.

https://twitter.com/o_rich_/status/1215311077782753280?s=21


so AA batteries were active sure but US did not send 1 retaliatory missile this no AA battery was used. had US been sending missile retaliation and AA batteries attempting to shoot those down then you could have a point. but that wqs not the case

I guess its possible an AA battery operator fell asleep and inadvertently fell on the fire button.


sure you did, Nancy

The Killing of a Troll

:lol

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/The_Law_Boy/status/1215342301419069443?s=19

[DMC]

https://twitter.com/The_Law_Boy/status/1215342301419069443?s=19

You don't need to trust the US government to know that the airliner was shot down in Iran. It's down. It went down in Iran.

Now you just need to decide how plausible it is that the US could have downed it that fast after takeoff from the border of Iran, since we have no SAMs in Iran that we control.

So back up the silliness with reason.


edit reason: changed "Iraq" to "Iran" in two places

[SpursforSix]

You don't need to trust the US government to know that the airliner was shot down in Iraq. It's down. It went down in Iraq.

Now you just need to decide how plausible it is that the US could have downed it that fast after takeoff from the border of Iran, since we have no SAMs in Iran that we control.

So back up the silliness with reason.

It was shot down in Iran.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao

Some trigger happy revolutionary guard missiles down a commercial airliner and Boukaki blames it on Trump. Typical of that idiot.

[DMC]

It was shot down in Iran.

Yeah that, not accustomed to typing "Iran". :lol

[DMC]

...

[pgardn]

Hurr durrYes but it was full of Iranians. Pretty sure no one's concerned about the plane itself except Boeing.


Hurr durr

Wonder Why Canada is so into this investigation.
And yes, they called it an accident.

[DMC]

I said so. The Iranians shot down a plane full of their own people

Chumpy: "weren't some from somewhere else?"

Spurtacular is right about you, you live for the tiny w.


Hurr durr

Wonder Why Canada is so into this investigation.
And yes, they called it an accident.

:cry "semantics"

You have nothing to add. This is a bigger deal than the killing of that terrorist or the missiles lobbed at an empty base.

[pgardn]

:cry "semantics"

You have nothing to add. This is a bigger deal than the killing of that terrorist or the missiles lobbed at an empty base.

Numbers...

Full of Iranians only 63 Canadians out of ~ 180

And then having the gall to call others out when their phone uses auto correct? Iraq...
Sure, sure it did.

Do you feel grounded being a hypocrite?
Mrs Crutchfield can’t take Mrs Crutchfield.

[pgardn]

:cry "semantics"

You have nothing to add. This is a bigger deal than the killing of that terrorist or the missiles lobbed at an empty base.

Numbers...

Full of Iranians only 63 Canadians out of ~ 180

And then having the gall to call others out when their phone uses auto correct? Iraq...
Sure, sure it did.

Do you feel grounded being a hypocrite?
Mrs Crutchfield can’t take Mrs Crutchfield.

[DMC]

Numbers...

Full of Iranians only 63 Canadians out of ~ 180

And then having the gall to call others out when their phone uses auto correct? Iraq...
Sure, sure it did.

Do you feel grounded being a hypocrite?
Mrs Crutchfield can’t take Mrs Crutchfield.
Dual citizenship

Not sure what you're talking about with the autocorrect statement

[DMC]

Ten Swedish nationals died in the crash. Many of them are believed to have also had Iranian citizenship.

As passengers were slowly identified, the scope of devastation to the Canadian Iranian community became clear.

Yes, full of Iranians. Not lesser or greater than anyone else, but Iranians nonetheless.

Try harder pgardn

[TheGreatYacht]

Ten Swedish nationals died in the crash. Many of them are believed to have also had Iranian citizenship.

As passengers were slowly identified, the scope of devastation to the Canadian Iranian community became clear.

Yes, full of Iranians. Not lesser or greater than anyone else, but Iranians nonetheless.

Try harder pgardn

You don't give two fucks about muslims. Stop acting you like you care now :lol

You just concerned about getting another "W" or point on the scoreboard for daddy Trump or Team USA :lol

[DMC]

I don't give two fucks about muslims. lol

I am just concerned about getting another view or like on the Youtube videos for chump change! :lol

[Winehole23]

You don't need to trust the US government to know that the airliner was shot down in Iran. It's down. It went down in Iran.

Now you just need to decide how plausible it is that the US could have downed it that fast after takeoff from the border of Iran, since we have no SAMs in Iran that we control.

So back up the silliness with reason.


edit reason: changed "Iraq" to "Iran" in two places

It went right over your head.

[TheGreatYacht]

Both sides drop the ideology when its their guy. That's the point. People here were voting for Hillary Clinton. That should tell you all you need to know. This is a place where people take turns lobbing shit bombs at each other. If tomorrow Iran said "no problem, we wanted the fucker dead anyhow" people here would be saying Trump is being controlled by Iran. So it doesn't matter what the facts are. This is all about spin and shit bombs.

But please, continue self fellating as if you're saving the fuckin' world.

You don't care about the truth or facts, you said it yourself. Fake outrage :lol

[DMC]

It went right over your head.
I gave it as much thought as you did, dropping a link with zero comment. Consider yourself ahead, at least you got commentary.

[TheGreatYacht]

I gave it as much thought as you did, dropping a link with zero comment. Consider yourself ahead, at least you got commentary.

You don't care about the truth or facts, you said it yourself. Fake outrage :lol

You don't give two fucks about muslims. Stop acting you like you care now :lol

You just concerned about getting another "W" or point on the scoreboard for daddy Trump or Team USA :lol

[DMC]

You don't care about the truth or facts, you said it yourself. Fake outrage :lol

:lol Hitler loving racist anti-Semite salty because 1000 years of Jews and Goyims butt fucking his heritage all across the middle east. :lol

3rd world religion :lol

[pgardn]

It went right over your head.

Same with mine.
My phone autocorrects incorrectly and he has a cervical crisis.
But when he has a mistake...

Mrs Crutchfield says we got rules. But then...

[pgardn]

Ten Swedish nationals died in the crash. Many of them are believed to have also had Iranian citizenship.

As passengers were slowly identified, the scope of devastation to the Canadian Iranian community became clear.

Yes, full of Iranians. Not lesser or greater than anyone else, but Iranians nonetheless.

Try harder pgardn

Sure.

Mrs Crutchfield finds a dustball and has a miscarriage. But when the tables turn...
Your just an asshole.
Its not that big a deal.
Carry on.

[DMC]

Sure.

Mrs Crutchfield finds a dustball and has a miscarriage. But when the tables turn...
Your just an asshole.
Its not that big a deal.
Carry on.

More autistic screeching from the forum weirdo

[hater]

The Killing of a Troll

:lol

Im president on Tanzania :lmao

[pgardn]

More autistic screeching from the forum weirdo

DMC calling posters weird?
Assholes can be Assholes and unstable.

Somehow the rating just does not pack much of a punch.
Go pester Winehole now or someone else with your same silly ratings.
OCD... Get a hold of that horse. Don’t mix with booze.

[hater]

secret sources, highly likely, working theory

:lmao the Orwellian doublespeak of todays Uncle Sam :lmao

nobody outside US buys that crap :lol

[Winehole23]

I gave it as much thought as you did, dropping a link with zero comment. Consider yourself ahead, at least you got commentary.Consider yourself a goof.

You goofed.

[hater]

lol DM Si

[DMC]

Consider yourself a goof.

You goofed.

Goofed? I didn't even read it.

[DMC]

secret sources, highly likely, working theory

:lmao the Orwellian doublespeak of todays Uncle Sam :lmao

nobody outside US buys that crap :lol


To be fair Saudi army is getting teabagged by a bunch of guys with sticks and stones in Yemen :lol

IMO the entire world should let Saudi and Iran go to war. It would look like 2 retarded kids going at it :lmao

[hater]

I calibrated flying sauces back in my day :lmao

[DMC]

DMC calling posters weird?
Assholes can be Assholes and unstable.

Somehow the rating just does not pack much of a punch.
Go pester Winehole now or someone else with your same silly ratings.
OCD... Get a hold of that horse. Don’t mix with booze.

Anyone trying to read your responses would need a fucking Fibonacci decoder to figure out what the fuck you're trying to say with all that broken and dyslexic rambling shit.

[DMC]

I calibrated flying sauces back in my day :lmao

In Columbia? :lol

[Winehole23]

1215376366557958144

[Winehole23]

Goofed? I didn't even read it.Funny, you replied at length.

[DMC]

Im president on Tanzania :lmao

F35 shot down

Baghdad on fire

:lmao

[DMC]

Funny, you replied at length.

I asked you a question. I rarely read links.

[hater]

I rarely read.

color me shocked :lol

[Winehole23]

I asked you a question. I rarely read links.You at least skimmed it, you incorporated some of the language from the tweet. So that's a fib.

I saw no question mark in your reply, what was your question?

If I answer yours, will you answer one of your many pending questions, viz., how many alts do you have?

[DMC]

1. Why was a passenger plane leaving on a night when a dozen or so missiles were fired into Iraq? Seems like normal procedure for that country. If they didn't fly because of SAM sites, they'd never fly.
2. Was it shot down by anti-aircraft/missile battery in Iran? It appears to have been
3. Will they ever tell the truth about it?Which truth? Left truth: Maybe it was shot down by Iran but if so Trump is to blame. Right truth: It was definitely shot down by Iran because God doesn't like them
4. Reeks of a coverup That it does


So 56 dead during funeral, 176 or so dead on plane leaving Tehran.. that's 237 counting the 5 dead in the drone strike, yet not a single US casualty.

Yeah that makes sense.

Not getting much coverage. Interesting they are already calling it a mechanical failure.

TDSers here clutching more pearls today.

[DMC]

You at least skimmed it, you incorporated some of the language from the tweet. So that's a fib.

I saw no question mark in your reply, what was your question?

If I answer yours, will you answer one of your many pending questions, viz., how many alts do you have?

I saw the first couple of lines. I didn't read anything else. I usually don't read links. Maybe next time you'll be less of a twat and actually have a take. I doubt it though.

[monosylab1k]

I saw the first couple of lines. I didn't read anything else. I usually don't read links. Maybe next time you'll be less of a twat and actually have a take. I doubt it though.

:lmao the lack of self awareness on display here.

[DMC]

:lmao the lack of self awareness on display here.

HOTS for the ST Avenger crew checked in! :lol

[DMC]

You at least skimmed it, you incorporated some of the language from the tweet. So that's a fib.

I saw no question mark in your reply, what was your question?

If I answer yours, will you answer one of your many pending questions, viz., how many alts do you have?

No alts on this forum in ~2 years.

[monosylab1k]

HOTS for the ST Avenger crew checked in! :lol

The Gotcha Hen, desperate to avoid self-reflection, lashes out in anger against those who are merely observers. Unwittingly, the mother hen has exposed herself, and her hatchucholings, to attacks from predators.

[ChumpDumper]

I said so.Yep, you said you were wrong.

It's OK.

:lol DefensiveMC

[DMC]

The Gotcha Hen, desperate to avoid self-reflection, lashes out in anger against those who are merely observers. Unwittingly, the mother hen has exposed herself, and her hatchucholings, to attacks from predators.


:lmao imagine lacking self-awareness to this degree.


:lol the lack of self awareness on display.


:lmao the lack of self awareness


:lmao the lack of self awareness


The lack of self awareness there :lol


https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/54245314/a-lack-of-self-awareness-is-strong-in-this-one.jpg


:lmao the complete lack of self-awareness it takes to post this.


:lmao this has to be satire. Nobody is this un-self aware.


Since you've already been exposed in every imaginable way to be an actual douchebag, nobody is ever going to buy your attempted face-saving "ironic, self-aware douchebag" routine tbh. But it was worth a shot.


:lol "self aware" shtick started in 2017. Prior to that it was "douchebag" to be self aware.

:lol "Can't escape the "start a shtick and run it into the ground" approach
:lol Neutered without the "crew".
:lol fat

:lol douchebag new shtick about hens :lmao

[Spurtacular]

You at least skimmed it, you incorporated some of the language from the tweet. So that's a fib.

I saw no question mark in your reply, what was your question?

If I answer yours, will you answer one of your many pending questions, viz., how many alts do you have?

Technically, he didn't lie. He made a misaligned statement. This is something Chump does all the time; you're okay with it in all those instances.

[ChumpDumper]

Ooh, DefensiveMC gets some help from Derpfensive!

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING

[DMC]

Technically, he didn't lie. He made a misaligned statement. This is something Chump does all the time; you're okay with it in all those instances.

If I said I read it, but only knew the 1st line or so, I'd also be a liar because I didn't read it completely.


You can tell when Trump is winning, the left loses their minds and they all rush in with low effort attempts :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao DeflectMC

We can tell when you're getting super pissy about being wrong.

[DMC]

^it's still trying for a response! :lmao

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[TheGreatYacht]

:lol Hitler loving racist anti-Semite salty because 1000 years of Jews and Goyims butt fucking his heritage all across the middle east. :lol

3rd world religion :lol

Trump does something stupid that he should have not done. The facts are CLEARLY against him. You say facts don't matter.

Now there exists the mere possibility that Iran accidentally shot down the Boeing 737 which makes Iran look bad and scores some points for daddy Trump. Facts matter now? You care about muslim innocent lives now?

I see how this works :lol

Selective hearing :lol

The truth matters now :lol

[ChumpDumper]

^it's still trying for a response! :lmao

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[monosylab1k]

:lol "self aware" shtick started in 2017. Prior to that it was "douchebag" to be self aware.

:lol "Can't escape the "start a shtick and run it into the ground" approach
:lol Neutered without the "crew".
:lol fat

:lol douchebag new shtick about hens :lmao
In desperation, the mother hen attempts to divert all attention away from itself. Unfortunately, nobody falls for her ploy, and the hen is now in serious peril...

[pgardn]

Anyone trying to read your responses would need a fucking Fibonacci decoder to figure out what the fuck you're trying to say with all that broken and dyslexic rambling shit.

You know what I am saying. When I address you.
I don’t need the rest of the board to get it.
Thats all that matters nature v. nurture boy.

You really are sensitive about your perceived intellect.
So it’s easy to jab you when you don’t know shit.
You are also a hypocrite.

[DMC]

You know what I am saying. When I address you.
I don’t need the rest of the board to get it.
Thats all that matters nature v. nurture boy.

You really are sensitive about your perceived intellect.
So it’s easy to jab you when you don’t know shit.
You are also a hypocrite.

:lol you're stupid dude

[pgardn]

:lol you're stupid dude

Yeah.
Stupid enough to make you look very stupid.
And you know this.

[DMC]

I love myself

[Winehole23]

No alts on this forum in ~2 years.Thanks, what was your question?

(Looks like Iran fucked up to me.)

[Spurtacular]

^it's still trying for a response! :lmao

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:lol that's a response, pussy

HUGE TINY W!!!

[hater]

Trump does something stupid that he should have not done. The facts are CLEARLY against him. You say facts don't matter.

Now there exists the mere possibility that Iran accidentally shot down the Boeing 737 which makes Iran look bad and scores some points for daddy Trump. Facts matter now? You care about muslim innocent lives now?

I see how this works :lol

Selective hearing :lol

The truth matters now :lol

:wow

[hater]

Trump does something stupid that he should have not done. The facts are CLEARLY against him. You say facts don't matter.

Now there exists the mere possibility that Iran accidentally shot down the Boeing 737 which makes Iran look bad and scores some points for daddy Trump. Facts matter now? You care about muslim innocent lives now?

I see how this works :lol

Selective hearing :lol

The truth matters now :lol

:wow

[benefactor]

I miss old DMC when he used to log in as Sybok and bully scros in the paint. The Trumpbot look just doesn't suit him tbh.

[hater]

I miss old DMC when he used to log in as Sybok and bully scros in the paint. The Trumpbot look just doesn't suit him tbh.

he basically became Chumpdumper v2.0

[pgardn]

he basically became Chumpdumper v2.0

I so admire how you and the Great Floating Turd know everything about how people think outside of the US while using zero credibility sources. Now pretend you are on the ground in Iraq picking up intel. ‘Assad did not gas anyone... ‘ seriously, the Earth is flat.

[DMC]

I miss old DMC when he used to log in as Sybok and bully scros in the paint. The Trumpbot look just doesn't suit him tbh.

Too many echoes.. no open positions on the left and the median is mythical.

[hater]

good news ma nigas

https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk/status/1215680169026953219?s=21

[hater]

https://twitter.com/presstv/status/1215673367409451012?s=21

[hater]

how about a time travel theory nigas? kinda like 12 monkeys

[TheGreatYacht]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TLAVagabond/status/1215658543602380802

[CosmicCowboy]

have to agree w the niga below. Iran had stopped launching missiles for hours before this plane went down.

https://twitter.com/o_rich_/status/1215311077782753280?s=21

:lmao

uhhh....you realize there are different kinds of missiles, right? Like some to hit distant land targets and some to shoot down airplanes?

[DMC]

:lmao

uhhh....you realize there are different kinds of missiles, right? Like some to hit distant land targets and some to shoot down airplanes?

You are wasting your time. Dude is in full propaganda rage mode.

[DarrinS]

I so admire how you and the Great Floating Turd know everything about how people think outside of the US while using zero credibility sources. Now pretend you are on the ground in Iraq picking up intel. ‘Assad did not gas anyone... ‘ seriously, the Earth is flat.

:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Pompeo Admits No "Imminent Threat," Boeing Emails Reveal 737 Issues & 60 Afghans Killed By US Drone

https://youtu.be/JY2amAtMc48

[DMC]

Iran now admitting to accidentally shooting down plane?

Accidents happen.

[DMX7]

Iran now admitting to accidentally shooting down plane?

Accidents happen.

Of course it was an accident. No reason to do it, now they'll probably be asked to pay compensation. The US accidentally shot down an Iranian airline like 30 years ago.

[DMC]

Of course it was an accident. No reason to do it, now they'll probably be asked to pay compensation. The US accidentally shot down an Iranian airline like 30 years ago.

Whataboutism good now

[turkish spurs fan]

iran is cancer of the world as israel. israil is clever, iran is stupid. son of bitches.

[spurraider21]

iran is cancer of the world as israel. israil is clever, iran is stupid. son of bitches.
turkey committed genocide

[turkish spurs fan]

turkey committed genocide

lol. you are still anti-turkey because big ones want you to be. it s not a good idea being used as tongs bro.

[TheGreatYacht]

iran is cancer of the world as israel. israil is clever, iran is stupid. son of bitches.

Zionism is the root of all evil. Death to Zionism! God bless the Armenians that were raped and murdered by your ancestors.

[phxspurfan]

Of course it was an accident. No reason to do it, now they'll probably be asked to pay compensation. The US accidentally shot down an Iranian airline like 30 years ago.

How the fuck do these itchy trigger finger morons mistake a 737 for a fighter jet.

Especially when it just took off from their own international airport.

[boutons_deux]

176 people dead are the responsibility of Trash, Pence, Pompeo, and his Mar-a-Lago geopolitical, self-serving, all-about-me recklessness

Will they be punished? :lol Will they lose 5 minutes of sleep? :lol

Why Do They Hate Us?

[DMX7]

176 people dead are the responsibility of Trash, Pence, Pompeo, and his Mar-a-Lago geopolitical, self-serving, all-about-me recklessness

Will they be punished? :lol Will they lose 5 minutes of sleep? :lol

Why Do They Hate Us?




No, it's not their fault. You're reaching badly.

This is a TRAGEDY and very simple precautions could have prevented this such as clearing the airspace during the hours Iran had just fired ballistic missiles into Iraq.

[hater]

No, it's not their fault. You're reaching badly.

This is a TRAGEDY and very simple precautions could have prevented this such as clearing the airspace during the hours Iran had just fired ballistic missiles into Iraq.

:tu

yup it would be stupid to have planes taking off Teheran when US FAA already had grounded all flights in Iraq, Kuwait

stupid mistake by idiot Iranians

also how do you mistake a fat slow commercial plane flying aways with an incoming cruise?

stilk a lot of unknowns here

[hater]

congrats to OP tbqh

u called it nig :tu

[boutons_deux]

No, it's not their fault. You're reaching badly.

This is a TRAGEDY and very simple precautions could have prevented this such as clearing the airspace during the hours Iran had just fired ballistic missiles into Iraq.

Criminal assassin Trash's war talk had Iran on edge, in defensive readiness with SAMs, cocked and loaded as you dickless gun fellators say.

176 dead people are totally on Trash, Pence, Pompeo

"could have" G M A F B there was no need for "could have" without Trash's self-serving assassination of Salamander

[DMX7]

Criminal assassin Trash's war talk had Iran on edge, in defensive readiness with SAMs, cocked and loaded as you dickless gun fellators say.

176 dead people are totally on Trash, Pence, Pompeo

"could have" G M A F B there was no need for "could have" without Trash's self-serving assassination of Salamander

Now you think Trump admin is "totally" responsible? You assign no blame whatsoever to Iran? I think you're hatred for the Trump admin is clouding your judgement.

[vy65]

lol. you are still anti-turkey because big ones want you to be. it s not a good idea being used as tongs bro.

Bend over and I’ll show you a big one you stupid genocidal fuck

[boutons_deux]

Now you think Trump admin is "totally" responsible? You assign no blame whatsoever to Iran? I think you're hatred for the Trump admin is clouding your judgement.

"what's to love" with Trash.

Here's one for the FBI:

I rather see Trash and his Repug/oligarchy kakistocracy DEAD

than the 100Ks they are killing with the bullshit wars, assassinations, and increases in pollution, a known killer.

[DMC]

Criminal assassin Trash's war talk had Iran on edge, in defensive readiness with SAMs, cocked and loaded as you dickless gun fellators say.

176 dead people are totally on Trash, Pence, Pompeo

"could have" G M A F B there was no need for "could have" without Trash's self-serving assassination of Salamander

You have an entire career of being a whining pussy here, always on the losing side of some fact of life.

[ElNono]

This is why you don't give RPGs to kids, tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

Iran Admits 'Unintentionally' Shooting Down 737, But It Seems There Might Be More To This Story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5qEgSEmBBg

[Momo]

Iran Admits 'Unintentionally' Shooting Down 737, But It Seems There Might Be More To This Story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5qEgSEmBBg

It's painfully obvious that your life isn't what you hoped it would be at your age. Kill yourself. Do it.

[DMC]

This is why you don't give RPGs to kids, tbh

What do you think about the "uprising" in Iran supposedly regarding this event? Is it staged or just a continuation of the uprising that was happening anyhow, based somewhat on the economic conditions due to sanctions?

[boutons_deux]

Ukraine knew Flight 752 had been shot down, but it was careful not to antagonize Iran (https://s2.washingtonpost.com/1ce1717/5e1b52e7fe1ff64774159614/ZGFybm9jbmVsQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D/15/60/e38550bb0d5ab47cac3949357257135f)


https://www.washingtonpost.com/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/)

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/gJCQ8RT/IMG-20200112-WA0000.jpg

[ElNono]

What do you think about the "uprising" in Iran supposedly regarding this event? Is it staged or just a continuation of the uprising that was happening anyhow, based somewhat on the economic conditions due to sanctions?

The latter. I expect it to be quashed fairly swiftly, tbh. When you're doing things in the name of god, you have a lot more latitude to be swift, cruel and authoritarian.

[ElNono]

https://i.ibb.co/gJCQ8RT/IMG-20200112-WA0000.jpg

That'd be a cool story for you, if we were to overlook the fact that employees themselves sounded the alarm about management cutting all corners on the MAX.

Not to mention that the MAX design and development started in 2011....

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.ibb.co/gJCQ8RT/IMG-20200112-WA0000.jpgImagine making these memes if you're not in Macedonia getting paid to do it.

[TheGreatYacht]

BREAKING: Israel Provided The Intel To Kill Soleimani & A Cyberattack May Have Been Behind Iran's 737 Downing

https://youtu.be/wI6_ttmhSh0

[spurraider21]

yep. the jews did that too

[TheGreatYacht]

BREAKING: New Video Shows TWO Missiles Bringing Down Iran 737, Second Plane Reported & Iraq And Syria Under Attack

https://youtu.be/_qgjG7iBdng

[DMC]

Jesus you're a fucking idiot. If I was Timvp I'd ban your ass for spamming and tagging members - basically abuse of the forum for personal gain.

[TheGreatYacht]

Stop posting on my thread :cry

Freedom of speech warrior :lol

[DMC]

Freedom of speech warrior :lol

^not understanding a privately owned forum doesn't subscribe to freedom of speech

You post videos all day every day. Boutons posts articles in every thread, I counted 27 consecutive posts without a single response between them. Boutons was a bit of a forum novelty, but you're the political forum's version of Avante and you see what happened to him.

[TheGreatYacht]

^not understanding a privately owned forum doesn't subscribe to freedom of speech

You post videos all day every day. Boutons posts articles in every thread, I counted 27 consecutive posts without a single response between them. Boutons was a bit of a forum novelty, but you're the political forum's version of Avante and you see what happened to him.

DMC calling for TGY ban :lmao

I like how the snowflakes on the left and right like to use "private ownership" when it suits their needs.

Ban me and TGY will be remembered for speaking too much TRUTH on this forum.

Until then, I'm gonna continue exposing partisan hacks and Trumpsters like yourself :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TLAVagabond/status/1217806570584772608
Did The US or Israel Hack Iran Air Defenses Taking Down Flight 752?

https://youtu.be/9onw1Pllrzc

:wow

[spurraider21]

DMC calling for TGY ban :lmao

I like how the snowflakes on the left and right like to use "private ownership" when it suits their needs.

Ban me and TGY will be remembered for speaking too much TRUTH on this forum.

Until then, I'm gonna continue exposing partisan hacks and Trumpsters like yourself :lol
you'll be remembered as cosmored at best

[Chucho]

you'll be remembered as cosmored at best

Nah. Cosmored had the FatFreddy thing going, which was mildly entertaining. TCBY is just hair-in-the-drain that plugs up threads. A perfect Ignore candidate ala Boots.

[TheGreatYacht]

The truth is scary. The truth hurts. Exploring the possibilty of something horrible being true triggers people. Cognitive dissonance. Maybe I should just bury my head in the sand like most people do. Tell people what they wanna hear.

[spurraider21]

The truth is scary. The truth hurts. Exploring the possibilty of something horrible being true triggers people. Cognitive dissonance. Maybe I should just bury my head in the sand like most people do. Tell people what they wanna hear.
yep. just like cosmored

[Trainwreck2100]

That'd be a cool story for you, if we were to overlook the fact that employees themselves sounded the alarm about management cutting all corners on the MAX.

Not to mention that the MAX design and development started in 2011....
I listened to an interview with a whistleblower who got retired out, it came down to putting the plant in South Carolina and staffing it with managers who didn't give a shit about safe practices because they got hired from other industries

[DMC]

The truth is scary. The truth hurts. Exploring the possibilty of something horrible being true triggers people. Cognitive dissonance. Maybe I should just bury my head in the sand like most people do. Tell people what they wanna hear.

There's also that shut the fuck up option.

[boutons_deux]

why didn't USA's anti-missile defense, aka St Ronnie's Star Wars, work against the Iranian missiles?

[SpursforSix]

why didn't USA's anti-missile defense, aka St Ronnie's Star Wars, work against the Iranian missiles?

That's not what Star Wars was for retard.

[TheGreatYacht]

Israel Bombs Gaza And Syria Killing 3 & Iran Says US Sabotage/Cyberattack Likely Behind 737 Downing

https://youtu.be/57frocyISXE

[DMC]

why didn't USA's anti-missile defense, aka St Ronnie's Star Wars, work against the Iranian missiles?

Why would the US have patriot systems deployed against ISIS? Last I checked they didn't have aircraft or ballistic missiles.

Plus, you're a dunce (we know this about you already) if you don't realize that Iran had to destroy some shit, and the US had to let them to appease their country so they could stand down. Had the US intercepted the missiles, Iran wouldn't have their "revenge".

Checkers playing motherfuckers :lol

And SDI :lol

Bend over, I'll give ya a fuckin' raw story.

[TheGreatYacht]

Reasons To Consider Foul Play In The #IranPlaneCrash & The CIA History Of Downing Civilian Planes

https://youtu.be/zZPLbUbI9HQ

[Winehole23]

EU regulator declares Boeing 737 MAX to be safe

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-16/boeing-max-declared-safe-to-fly-by-europe-s-aviation-regulator

[Spurtacular]

Reasons To Consider Foul Play In The #IranPlaneCrash & The CIA History Of Downing Civilian Planes

https://youtu.be/zZPLbUbI9HQ

Jewtube taking all your vids down, bro.

[Winehole23]

FAA and Boeing cheated on recertification. Hope they fixed the software problem.


Boeing and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) worked together to manipulate 737 Max recertification tests following two fatal crashes in 2018 and 2019, according to a damning new Senate report (https://www.commerce.senate.gov/2020/12/wicker-releases-committee-s-faa-investigation-report). Boeing “inappropriately coached” some FAA test pilots to reach a desired outcome during the recertification tests, and some were even performed on simulators that weren’t equipped to re-create the same conditions as the crashes.
In doing this, the Senate report’s authors say the “FAA and Boeing were attempting to cover up important information that may have contributed to the 737 MAX tragedies.”

The 102-page report, released Friday, was compiled by the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation and is built on information from 50 whistleblowers, FAA staff interviews, and more than 15,000 pages of documents. It comes one month after the FAA cleared the 737 Max to return to flight (https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/18/21573113/boeing-737-max-cleared-fly-grounding-faa-crashes), and as airlines around the world (https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/9/22165956/boeing-737-max-flight-brazil-gol-airlines) start reintroducing the plane into their fleets (https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/united-to-return-boeing-737-max-to-service-on-11-february/141683.article).The FAA is also accused of retaliating against whistleblowers, possibly obstructing the Office of the Inspector General’s investigation into the crashes, failing to hold senior managers accountable, and allowing Southwest Airlines to operate dozens of improperly certified planes.


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[boutons_deux]

Federal govt, the civil service, is being pervasively purged of career professionals, aka destroyed, to be replaced of political stooges, corporate lobbyists, and any old party sycophants who will subvert the official functions with a kakistrocracy that implements whatever the fuck Capitalists think will make them richer, no matter the cost to humans and environment.

737 MAX initially was "certified" almost exclusively by Boeing's own hacks, certification "delegated" from the regulatory-captured, understaffed, underfunded FAA, under pressure from stock-holding management to get the shit out the door, to get the revenues flowing in and the stock price rising.

700+ died, and Boeing mgmt escapes with no accountability, no punishment, and $10Ms of compensation.

America is fucked and unfuckable. The fucking will continue unabated, unstoppable, irreversible as Capitalism poisons and rots America into a shithole.

[Winehole23]

this is how we do it

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[DMC]

Wrong thread

[Winehole23]

Wrong threadanklebiter :lol

[DMC]

You thought this was the thread about the Boeing issues. :lol

[Winehole23]

You thought this was the thread about the Boeing issues. :lolyou came back to gnaw on my ankle pointlessly?

how unsurprising.

[DMC]

Sunday morning coming down for you I suppose.

[SnakeBoy]

This one looks like a suicide

1505839795813167106

[CosmicCowboy]

Do you people not understand there is a difference between the 737-800 that crashed in China and the 737 Max? There are over 7000 800s flying around the world. Anyone that flies frequently in the US has probably flown on an 800.

[Thread]

Do you people not understand there is a difference between the 737-800 that crashed in China and the 737 Max? There are over 7000 800s flying around the world. Anyone that flies frequently in the US has probably flown on an 800.

...not straight down from 30,000 feet in less than two minutes, CC.

[CosmicCowboy]

...not straight down from 30,000 feet in less than two minutes, CC.

Kind of like flight 93 on 9/11? Doesn't sound mechanical.

[Winehole23]

United Airlines and Alaska Airlines have said they found loose parts on multiple grounded Boeing 737 Max 9 aircraft, raising new concerns among industry experts about the manufacturing process for the passenger planes.

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), which regulates the industry in the United States, grounded 171 Max 9 planes worldwide after a cabin panel blew off an Alaska-operated plane in midair on Friday, forcing the pilots to make an emergency landing.

United said on Monday that it “found bolts that needed additional tightening,” in its initial inspections.

Alaska said early reports from its technicians indicated some “loose hardware” was visible on some aircraft when it conducted checks of its fleet.

The carriers are focusing on an area known as the door plug, a cover panel used to fill an unneeded emergency exit in aircraft that have been configured with fewer seats.

The panel that blew out on Friday’s Alaskan flight was a door plug and the FAA ordered operators to ground all aircraft with the same configuration.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/9/united-alaska-find-loose-hardware-in-checks-of-boeing-737-max-9-planes

[DMX7]

Boeing needs to get its act together. Its reputation has taken a beating the past few years.

[Winehole23]

Boeing needs to get its act together. Its reputation has taken a beating the past few years.Boeing used to be run by engineers, now private equity bros calibrate safety with maximal profitability.

[DMX7]

Boeing used to be run by engineers, now private equity bros calibrate safety with maximal profitability.

Something is obviously wrong, but private equity isn't running Boeing. It's publicly traded.

[spurraider21]

Something is obviously wrong, but private equity isn't running Boeing. It's publicly traded.
ceo is a private equity bro

doesnt matter who the shareholders are, it matters who the decision makers are

[DMX7]

ceo is a private equity bro

doesnt matter who the shareholders are, it matters who the decision makers are

CEO used to work in private equity. I thought he meant people actively working for private equity that were primarily funding the company.

[Winehole23]

it's tricky when you're balancing profitability against the safety of your customers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GI1t5X3WMAA1i8A?format=jpg&name=small

[Thread]

it's tricky when you're balancing profitability against the safety of your customers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GI1t5X3WMAA1i8A?format=jpg&name=small

& MSM, with the gov't's rapt assistance in reserve (this time) is on Boeing's side. Just the way the cookie crumbled this time, Winester.

[Winehole23]

1769449457987318110

[Thread]

1769449457987318110


& MSM, with the gov't's rapt assistance in reserve (this time) is on Boeing's side. Just the way the cookie crumbled this time, Winester.

[Winehole23]

Outsourcing sacrificed expertise to profitability, with predictable results for safety and transparency.


As my friend Harold Meyerson wrote (https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newsletters/tap/2024-01-18-airbus-advantage/) last month in the American Prospect, Boeing’s quality-control problems transcend the leadership team. They first became apparent in 2001, when a Boeing engineer warned against the company’s decision to outsource key parts of the aircraft it assembled.

But Wall Street wanted Boeing to outsource rather than continue producing parts in-house with Boeing’s experienced and unionized workforce. Outsourcing was cheaper. The new crop of Boeing executives came to their posts from the financial side of the industry rather than from careers in production and were quick to respond to the Street’s demands.

In 2005, Boeing sold its Wichita plant to a private equity firm that slashed costs before unloading the plant to Spirit AeroSystems, which has become notorious for its deficient quality inspection practices. Boeing objected to what it said were Spirit’s high costs and inability to meet deadlines. As the workers on the shop floor and their union repeatedly noted, this led to rushed production and deficient oversight.

As The Wall Street Journal reported (https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/boeing-manufacturing-737-max-alaska-door-plug-spirit-18f7e233), a union representative from the International Association of Machinists wrote to union leaders that Boeing’s workers had “great quality and safety concerns,” but their concerns were routinely ignored by senior management.

Boeing’s major global competitor in producing commercial aircraft is Europe’s Airbus. Airbus’s largest shareholders are mainly politically accountable governments that must pay heed to such public concerns as air safety. (Airbus’s four largest shareholders (https://in.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/AIRBUS-SE-4637/company/), in order, are the government of France, the government of Germany, the Capital Research and Management Company, and the government of Spain.)

Boeing’s major investors, by contrast, are entirely in it for the profits. (Its four largest shareholders (https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/BOEING-4816/company/), in order, are The Vanguard Group, Vanguard Group subfiler, Newport Trust Company, and State Street Corporation (a bank and asset manager.)

And because Airbus is a merger of German, French, and Spanish companies, Airbus’s production facilities are centered in nations where workers historically and currently have more power than their U.S. counterparts. Forty-six thousand of Airbus’s roughly 130,000 employees work (https://www.airbus.com/sites/g/files/jlcbta136/files/2022-02/Airbus%20in%20Germany_0.pdf) in the company’s German factories, where workers, by law, routinely discuss production and safety issues with managers in works councils.

In the U.S., the Machinists union workers do have voice and power by American standards but lack mechanisms like works councils through which management must take at least some heed of their concerns.

In other words, Airbus’s clear leadership over Boeing in matters of flight safety stems largely from differences in ownership and worker power—that is, from the European model of mitigating laissez-faire capitalism with a measure of public and worker power, in contrast with the American model of subjecting corporate policy almost entirely to the demands of investment bankers.

Which, if you track the value of Boeing’s stock, hasn’t worked out that well for those investment bankers, either.

Just how outsourced is Boeing’s production? Almost two weeks after the Alaska Airlines blow-out, it was revealed that the door plug that blew out of the Alaska Airlines plane wasn’t actually produced in Wichita. It was produced in Malaysia (https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/boeing-737-max-9-part-in-alaska-airlines-blowout-was-made-in-malaysia-official-says-220a8fc5), where workers’ concerns about speed of production and quality oversight are apt to have even less impact on their managers than in the United States.

The fact that the Malaysian production of the door plug didn’t come to light until 12 days after the blow-out suggests just how profoundly outsourcing can obscure the public visibility required for corporate accountability.Why Is Boeing Such a Crappy Company? - LA Progressive (https://www.laprogressive.com/progressive-issues/boeing-such-a-crappy-company)

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Outsourcing sacrificed expertise to profitability, with predictable results for safety and transparency.

Why Is Boeing Such a Crappy Company? - LA Progressive (https://www.laprogressive.com/progressive-issues/boeing-such-a-crappy-company)

Just cut to it, Winester...how does State sponsored CNN judge Boeing? That'll tell us precisely where this Boeing situation is going. Off the top of your Polish fuckin' head, fart-face, I surmise State sponsored CNN thinks Boeing is the cat's pj's.

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lol @ the DEI dogwhistle

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