AOC should leave the Democratic Party

[ducks]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/opinions/aoc-biden-democratic-party-harrop/index.html

[koriwhat]

She should leave the country tbh and go have fun in the ME or NK.

[Splits]

She should leave the country tbh and go have fun in the ME or NK.

At least she could if she wanted to, not like some inbred who doesn't have a passp:lolrt

[hater]

shes one of the few democrats that trigger d Repugs like a bunch of bitches :lol

thed be stupid to let her go

[FrostKing]

And join Bangbros? I'd watch

[boutons_deux]

The Dollar Dem corporatist establishment differs only in degree from the corrupt oligarchy whore Repugs.

The Dems have abandoned their base of the working class, Labor, the unions in favor of $100Ms from the oligarchy.

That's why the horrible damage the Repugs are doing to USA will not be corrected when/if the Dems have Congress and WH.

America (of the non-oligarchy) is fucked and fuckable.

Ratcheting towards authoritarian rule, forward with the Repugs, then the Dems holding steady, then again forward with the Repugs, etc.

The Dem corporatist establishment doesn't want the The Squad, Bernie, or Liz anywhere near the nomination.

racist, misogynist, establishment, mentally decrepit Biden is their strongly preferred safe choice.

[TheGreatYacht]

shes one of the few democrats that trigger d Repugs like a bunch of bitches :lol

thed be stupid to let her go

Democrats need to fill their whole party with AOC's, Ilhan Omars, and Bernie Sanders. The rest of the neoliberal corporate Dems should move to the Republican party where they belong.

[DarrinS]

Democrats need to fill their whole party with AOC's, Ilhan Omars, and Bernie Sanders. The rest of the neoliberal corporate Dems should move to the Republican party where they belong.

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/jack-nicholson-yes-gif-5-1.gif

[hater]

Democrats need to fill their whole party with AOC's, Ilhan Omars, and Bernie Sanders. The rest of the neoliberal corporate Dems should move to the Republican party where they belong.

truthbomb.org

old soft dick white geezers seem to have an achilles heel with strong colored women

id make Cardi. B speaker of d house and watch old white flaccid dicks collapse :lmao

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1215725276556034048?s=19

[Proxy]

Democrats need to fill their whole party with AOC's, Ilhan Omars, and Bernie Sanders. The rest of the neoliberal corporate Dems should move to the Republican party where they belong.

Pete and Joe should just join the GOP, they've got the policies and credentials to make it in easy. Yang can run libertarian independent

[AaronY]

Pete and Joe should just join the GOP, they've got the policies and credentials to make it in easy. Yang can run libertarian independent

https://media.tenor.com/images/15a25430531cf74fae711a23c749ac5c/tenor.gif

[AaronY]

My favorite new leftist thing is how they spend 50% of their time calling democrats human garbage and the other 50% saying the democrats they hate are not really democrats

[Will Hunting]

:lol UBI Yang should run as a libertarian? wtf :lol

[AaronY]

Joe Biden who if Reck's link the other day was correct votes with Republican like 12% of the time might as well just become one if he likes them so much

spongebob.gif

[AaronY]

Joe Biden voted with Republicans on the amber alert thing that passed 98-0! impeach!!

[Reck]

Joe Biden who if Reck's link the other day was correct votes with Republican like 12% of the time might as well just become one if he likes them so much

spongebob.gif

Last time I just posted his voting record but forgot to post the link where the guy breaks it down so here it is.


To determine how Biden voted in the U.S. Senate in Delaware, I used the American Conservative Union (ACU) ratings (http://acuratings.conservative.org/acu-federal-legislative-ratings/?year1=2008&chamber=13&state1=21&sortable=1) of his lifelong voting record, and found that his ACU rating comes out to 12.67, meaning Biden only votes with conservatives 12.67 percent of the time.



For the sake of comparison, Florida Senator Bill Nelson, voted out by Rick Scott voters for being too liberal had an ACU voting record of 28.95. Ditto former Sen. Joe Donnelly of Indiana, scoring a 23.86 on the American Conservative Union scale.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/observer.com/2019/05/joe-biden-moderate-progressive-voting-record/amp/


:lol Just laughable how badly they want to lump in Biden with Hillary because mah OBAMA.

[DMC]

Remember how much negative press Trump got (and still gets)? He won. AOC could be simply a name on a sheet of paper but all the hoopla about her does all the campaigning for her.

[Will Hunting]

Joe Biden who if Reck's link the other day was correct votes with Republican like 12% of the time might as well just become one if he likes them so much

spongebob.gif
Calling Biden a Republican is stupid for a number of reasons, but this is a disingenuous argument....it’s pretty clear what the Bernie Bros are complaining about when they call Biden/Buttplug Republicans.

[AaronY]

Biden also worked with Ted Kennedy to spearhead the destruction of Robert Bork who was a vehemently pro-life judge and a few years later a pro-choice republican colleague of his told Biden that The bush 41 had nominated David Souter not knowing he was pro-choice (based on some obscure writings of his) so they rushed the nomination and snuck a pro-choice past the Republicans :lmao

[Will Hunting]

Last time I just posted his voting record but forgot to post the link where the guy breaks it down so here it is.





https://www.google.com/amp/s/observer.com/2019/05/joe-biden-moderate-progressive-voting-record/amp/


:lol Just laughable how badly they want to lump in Biden with Hillary because mah OBAMA.
:lol so he’s less conservative than two conservative swing state/red state Democrats in the Senate in recent years? Shocker.

Let me guess, he’s also more liberal than Claire McCaskill, Doug Jones and Joe Manchin :lol

[spurraider21]

did anybody claim biden wasn't pro choice?

[AaronY]

Republicans still triggered about what "neocon" Joe Biden did to Bork

https://www.crisismagazine.com/2019/biden-vs-bork

https://pjmedia.com/trending/moderate-joe-biden-bragged-about-the-political-hit-job-on-robert-bork/

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/jack-coleman/2018/04/02/joe-biden-boasts-keeping-brilliant-conservative-robert-bork-supreme

[Will Hunting]

did anybody claim biden wasn't pro choice?
These are all intentionally obtuse strawman arguments ignoring what the Biden critics are complaining about :lol

[ChumpDumper]

This is how you get President Trump reelected.

[Will Hunting]

Steyer is beginning to grow on me tbh which is surprising since I’m typically not a fan of the oligarch candidates, but he seems really electable and is genuinely intent on addressing climate change.

[AaronY]

These are all intentionally obtuse strawman arguments ignoring what the Biden critics are complaining about :lol
The current complaints are about how he is willing and wants to work with Republicans which is smart as....well you know...factually its what normal people want

"More than eight in 10 voters believe “compromise and common ground should be the goal for political leaders” (87% agree, including 64% strongly agree)"

http://politics.georgetown.edu/press-releases/civility-press-release-oct-2019/


so its good to pay lip service to even if it is ultimately not likely to happen. Same thing with the "I would appoint a Republican as VP" thing which is obviously just lip service as he's not going to do that.

The other complaint is Buttigieg is a Republican as he "only" supports free college for those making less than $100k and "only" wants the public option

[spurraider21]

These are all intentionally obtuse strawman arguments ignoring what the Biden critics are complaining about :lol
next one gonna be:

people are calling biden a republican... and look, he's registered as a DEMOCRAT

lol destroyed

[spurraider21]

This is how you get President Trump reelected.
nominating a centrist to run against him?

[spurraider21]

The current complaints are about how he is willing and wants to work with Republicans which is smart as....well you know...factually its what normal people want

"More than eight in 10 voters believe “compromise and common ground should be the goal for political leaders” (87% agree, including 64% strongly agree)"

http://politics.georgetown.edu/press-releases/civility-press-release-oct-2019/


so its good to pay lip service to even if it is ultimately not likely to happen. Same thing with the "I would appoint a Republican as VP" thing which is obviously just lip service as he's not going to do that.

The other complaint is Buttigieg is a Republican as he "only" supports free college for those making less than $100k and "only" wants the public option
whats this based on tho... because kamala said so?

[DarrinS]

Dems should keep moving further left.

[Chris]

Remember how much negative press Trump got (and still gets)? He won. AOC could be simply a name on a sheet of paper but all the hoopla about her does all the campaigning for her.

Justice Democrats take care of their own when it comes to publicity. Zack Exley is in bed with social media platforms and cutting edge algorithms that either enhance or effectively erase content.

[AaronY]

whats this based on tho... because kamala said so?
Progressive critiques of Biden being out of touch by saying he wants to work with Republicans. How on Earth have you not heard these? have you vacationed on another planet the past year??

[spurraider21]

Progressive critiques of Biden being out of touch by saying he wants to work with Republicans. How on Earth have you not heard these? have you vacationed on another planet the past year??
again, where are you getting this from? kamala at the debate? or just random tweets

[ChumpDumper]

nominating a centrist to run against him?Party infighting and true Scotsmanning. Was talking about the whole direction of the thread.

[Will Hunting]

The current complaints are about how he is willing and wants to work with Republicans which is smart as....well you know...factually its what normal people want

"More than eight in 10 voters believe “compromise and common ground should be the goal for political leaders” (87% agree, including 64% strongly agree)"

http://politics.georgetown.edu/press-releases/civility-press-release-oct-2019/


so its good to pay lip service to even if it is ultimately not likely to happen. Same thing with the "I would appoint a Republican as VP" thing which is obviously just lip service as he's not going to do that.

The other complaint is Buttigieg is a Republican as he "only" supports free college for those making less than $100k and "only" wants the public option
Re Buttplug I’ve said numerous times here that calling him some kind of ultra moderate is dumb - he’s not Warren or Sanders but he’s plenty progressive.

:lmao that poll about compromise...is that how Trump got elected, by promising compromise and common ground? When you’re polling the average American about compromise they’re not going to admit to themselves “yeah fuck the other party I don’t want compromise”, they’re going to give the sensible answer.

Might as well do a poll asking Americans “Do you think the next president should aim to end world hunger and obtain world peace?”.....then after 9 out of 10 people say yes the Dems should nominate the next Miss America since she’ll be passionate about world hunger and world peace :lol

[AaronY]

again, where are you getting this from? kamala at the debate? or just random tweets

My man "Joe Biden is out of touch because he wants to work with Republicans" is an entire cottage industry. There are hundreds of article about it. Lol Dear God, do you follow politics at all?

[spurraider21]

Party infighting and true Scotsmanning. Was talking about the whole direction of the thread.
yeah... its not as big a deal is you want to make it to be

sure, something like what, 12% of sanders primary voters went on to vote for trump? 25% of hillary's 08 primary voters went on to vote for mccain. obama still crushed.

[Reck]

:lol so he’s less conservative than two conservative swing state/red state Democrats in the Senate in recent years? Shocker.

Let me guess, he’s also more liberal than Claire McCaskill, Doug Jones and Joe Manchin :lol

My point is to AOC that Biden should be a Republican.

This is the other link I posted which shows a graph of his political alignment.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/joseph_biden/300008

Consistently to the left, no? He’s no Bernie Sanders to be sure but his supporters like to throw the word around like Biden is a bonafide Republican.

I’m even starting to see Obama being tagged as a conservative these days. And that may as well be with today’s standards.

[ChumpDumper]

yeah... its not as big a deal is you want to make it to beWe'll see.

Only took 70k votes in the right places last time.

[spurraider21]

My man "Joe Biden is out of touch because he wants to work with Republicans" is an entire cottage industry. There are hundreds of article about it. Lol Dear God, do you follow politics at all?
3 posts now without anything but "its common knowledge, bro"

thats derp level stuff

[spurraider21]

We'll see.

Only took 70k votes in the right places last time.
what about the rest of the post you quoted?

[ChumpDumper]

what about the rest of the post you quoted?Going on to vote versus not voting at all?

Any numbers for that?

[AaronY]

3 posts now without anything but "its common knowledge, bro"

thats derp level stuff

Here's articles discussion the controversy about Joe Biden's compromise comments:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/opinion/joe-biden-republicans-2020.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/01/biden-fans-optimism-trump/604432/


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/opinion/joe-biden-2020-republicans.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-end-2019-showing-fissures-over-fighting-vs-compromise-11577823966


https://www.latimes.com/opinion/enterthefray/la-ol-biden-segregationists-compromise-20190620-story.html

https://theweek.com/speedreads/859702/joe-biden-says-there-are-awful-lot-really-good-republicans-there

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/29/joe-biden-bipartisanship-2020-president-227250

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/30/biden-bipartisan-dealmaking-backfire-226758

[Will Hunting]

My point is to AOC that Biden should be a Republican.

This is the other link I posted which shows a graph of his political alignment.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/joseph_biden/300008

Consistently to the left, no? He’s no Bernie Sanders to be sure but his supporters like to throw the word around like Biden is a bonafide Republican.

I’m even starting to see Obama being tagged as a conservative these days. And that may as well be with today’s standards.
I have no idea what your point is, I was commenting on whatever the article was you posted that compared Biden to some of the most notoriously right-wing Democrats in recent memory as a way if trying to show he’s some kind of hard-line Democrat.

[AaronY]

Mad because he didnt know about the 87% want compromise and common ground fact

my man if you think the average American is in for constant culture wars and people dunking on each other over and over and basically constant chaos Wow. One is out of touch I guess. To normies someone who is willing to take care of the country and help politicians get along so they dont have to worry about it is appealing. The constantly online activist wing is not representative of the normal

[Will Hunting]

Party infighting and true Scotsmanning. Was talking about the whole direction of the thread.
I used to think this but just don’t see it anymore after 2016. The Republican primary was as nasty as primary debates get but in the end Republicans turned out their base better than the Democrats did. In a political climate as polarizing as were in nastiness and infighting seems to be what draws voter interest.

[spurraider21]

Going on to vote versus not voting at all?

Any numbers for that?
yes. virtually the same. more 08 clintonites stayed home and more 08 clintonites defected to the republican candidate

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH7GmdyW0AEL6ny?format=png&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH70iHTWAAQ6pwK?format=jpg&name=small

[Reck]

How about the point that Biden is an actual Democrat who voted with them something like 85+ percent of the time?

How’s that for clear?

[spurraider21]

Here's articles discussion the controversy about Joe Biden's compromise comments:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/opinion/joe-biden-republicans-2020.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/01/biden-fans-optimism-trump/604432/


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/opinion/joe-biden-2020-republicans.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-end-2019-showing-fissures-over-fighting-vs-compromise-11577823966


https://www.latimes.com/opinion/enterthefray/la-ol-biden-segregationists-compromise-20190620-story.html

https://theweek.com/speedreads/859702/joe-biden-says-there-are-awful-lot-really-good-republicans-there

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/29/joe-biden-bipartisanship-2020-president-227250

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/30/biden-bipartisan-dealmaking-backfire-226758
yeah and just about all of these pieces are supporting what biden says. not seeing how this is "his biggest criticism"

[spurraider21]

How about the point that Biden is an actual Democrat who voted with them something like 85+ percent of the time?

How’s that for clear?
nobody is arguing that biden is literally a republican. AOC's is of the belief that the democratic party is (or should be) moving farther to the left, such that as it currently stands, biden would not be in it. you dont have to agree with her.

[ChumpDumper]

yes. virtually the same. more 08 clintonites stayed home and more 08 clintonites defected to the republican candidate

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH7GmdyW0AEL6ny?format=png&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH70iHTWAAQ6pwK?format=jpg&name=smallThat's pretty significant tbh.

[Spurminator]

I used to think this but just don’t see it anymore after 2016. The Republican primary was as nasty as primary debates get but in the end Republicans turned out their base better than the Democrats did. In a political climate as polarizing as were in nastiness and infighting seems to be what draws voter interest.

Republicans suck it up and show up for the team more than Democrats. Could be that in rural America, voting is much less time consuming.

[Will Hunting]

my man if you think the average American is in for constant culture wars and people dunking on each other over and over and basically constant chaos Wow. One is out of touch I guess. To normies someone who is willing to take care of the country and help politicians get along so they dont have to worry about it is appealing. The constantly online activist wing is not representative of the normal
:lol you’re resorting to quote changing? Keep Derping it up bro.

Our current President got elected literally by giving his opponents 3rd grade level nicknames. You’re naive if you don’t think shit like “Little Marco” or “Low Energy Jeb” got traction with voters. For all my criticism of Hillary you couldn’t find a candidate who’d be as good as working across the aisle as she is, and her base couldn’t have had less enthusiasm for her on Election Day.

People obviously don’t consciously want culture wars and polarizing politics, it’s a byproduct other things. Are you seriously arguing “Well there’s a poll that said Americans want compromise so we should nominate a candidate who says he likes compromise to?” :lol

[spurraider21]

That's pretty significant tbh.
i dont have the historical numbers to go back and see what the norms are tbh, and its harder to find good info the farther back you go. 2004's primary isn't a good indicator because kerry ended up tapping edwards who was #2 in the primaries, with dean being such a distant third that theres no significance. i dont know about how bill bradley primary voters did... hard to find that.

but theres nothing to show that berniebros were particularly rebellious. i dont see anybody here complaining about clinton's 08 primary voters defecting at twice the rate berniebros did to go vote republican against black president

[Will Hunting]

nobody is arguing that biden is literally a republican..
You mean when AOC says Biden should be a Republican she’s not literally saying Biden is as far to the right as the current Republican Party is :lol

[ChumpDumper]

i dont have the historical numbers to go back and see what the norms are tbh, and its harder to find good info the farther back you go. 2004's primary isn't a good indicator because kerry ended up tapping edwards who was #2 in the primaries, with dean being such a distant third that theres no significance. i dont know about how bill bradley primary voters did... hard to find that.

but theres nothing to show that berniebros were particularly rebellious. i dont see anybody here complaining about clinton's 08 primary voters defecting at twice the rate berniebros did to go vote republican against black presidentI thought they were bitches tbh-- that's where all the birtherism started. Margins are closer. Every bit helps/hurts.

[spurraider21]

I thought they were bitches tbh-- that's where all the birtherism started. Margins are closer. Every bit helps/hurts.
i dont disagree... but unless you can demonstrate that they were "out of line" in a more statistically significant way than is the norm, i dont see how you can go with the "this is how you get trump elected" shtick

obama carried despite clinton voters because he ran a strong campaign. clinton coulnd't overcome less internal resistance and a substantially shitter opponent than mccain (tho palin is easily more retarded than trump)

[Will Hunting]

I thought they were bitches tbh-- that's where all the birtherism started. Margins are closer. Every bit helps/hurts.
Margins weren’t close in 2008 or 2012, they didn’t wondrously become closer in 2016, they were closer because Clinton ran a shitty campaign, which isn’t the Berniebros’ fault.

[AaronY]

yeah and just about all of these pieces are supporting what biden says. not seeing how this is "his biggest criticism"
Because what he is doing is smart despite progressive criticism. And all of those articles discuss the criticisms which you--like a dumbass--pretended never existed.

[SpursforSix]

Republicans suck it up and show up for the team more than Democrats. Could be that in rural America, voting is much less time consuming.

I don’t think they can count on that again. I think there are plenty that voted for Trump that won’t repeat that in 2020.

[spurraider21]

Because what he is doing is smart despite progressive criticism. And all of those articles discuss the criticisms which you--like a dumbass--pretended never existed.
im sure people on twitter offered that criticism, and i know you love looking for random hilarious comments on muh rose twitter

im just asking how you came to the conclusion that it is his biggest or most common criticism, but all i've really gotten is "nuh uh" and spongebob.jpeg

[AaronY]

im sure people on twitter offered that criticism, and i know you love looking for random hilarious comments on muh rose twitter

im just asking how you came to the conclusion that it is his biggest or most common criticism, but all i've really gotten is "nuh uh" and spongebob.jpeg
Every single article discussed it. He was asked about it in the debates. You are being insanely obtuse at this point by pretending it doesn't exist

[Will Hunting]

Every single article discussed it. He was asked about it in the debates. You are being insanely obtuse at this point by pretending it doesn't exist
The articles discussed a bunch of criticism ostensibly being directed at Biden, you still haven’t posted examples of actual lefties lobbing said criticism. Like I said - strawman arguments.

[AaronY]

Here is an article of all the presidential candidates discussing it

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/04/us/politics/biden-trump-republicans-2020.html

[AaronY]

The articles discussed a bunch of criticism ostensibly being directed at Biden, you still haven’t posted examples of actual lefties lobbing said criticism. Like I said - strawman arguments.
You criticized him for it in this very fucking thread! Do I need to quote your posts now!

[TheGreatYacht]

Dems should keep moving further left.

This.

[Will Hunting]

You criticized him for it in this very fucking thread! Do I need to quote your posts now!
:lol if that was true you’d actually quote my post rather than say “DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT?!”

[AaronY]

I mean Jesus Christ guise

https://i.imgur.com/MTAAQR4.png

[TheGreatYacht]

The current complaints are about how he is willing and wants to work with Republicans which is smart as....well you know...factually its what normal people want

"More than eight in 10 voters believe “compromise and common ground should be the goal for political leaders” (87% agree, including 64% strongly agree)"

http://politics.georgetown.edu/press-releases/civility-press-release-oct-2019/


so its good to pay lip service to even if it is ultimately not likely to happen. Same thing with the "I would appoint a Republican as VP" thing which is obviously just lip service as he's not going to do that.

The other complaint is Buttigieg is a Republican as he "only" supports free college for those making less than $100k and "only" wants the public option

Are fucking retarded? What good can come out of Republicans. Republicans are way off the spectrum. Compromising is what the Clintons and Obama have been doing. There is no real left anymore. What happened to the days when the left represented unions, labor, workers, anti-war, etc?

Go register as a Republican and gtfo here.

[Will Hunting]

I mean Jesus Christ guise

https://i.imgur.com/MTAAQR4.png

What exactly are we talking about here? Biden’s willingness to reach across the aisle (something I don’t think anyone is criticizing him for), or the stuff about how the Republican Party is just fine and it’s all Trump (if that’s all you’re saying then I agree on it being a criticism people are aiming at him).

Before you say they’re the same thing, they’re not. Hillary called Republicans deplorables and still intended to work with them, making polarizing comments about the other party and working with the other party aren’t mutually exclusive.

[TheGreatYacht]

my man if you think the average American is in for constant culture wars and people dunking on each other over and over and basically constant chaos Wow. One is out of touch I guess. To normies someone who is willing to take care of the country and help politicians get along so they dont have to worry about it is appealing. The constantly online activist wing is not representative of the normal

The Democrats have been cooperating with Republicans to this very day. Democrats enabled Trump's actions by approving Trump's bloated military budget. Your ignorance is in full display on this thread.

https://youtu.be/rR2ZMduQE2s

[Spurminator]

I don’t think they can count on that again. I think there are plenty that voted for Trump that won’t repeat that in 2020.

Unless the polls showing 90% approval rating of Trump by Republicans are wrong, I'm not getting my hopes up. Even many of the few conservatives who have the guts to hint they don't want to vote for him in 2020 will likely be fed something about the opposition that strikes enough fear in their hearts that they punch the box for him again.

Plus, it doesn't help that Republicans have spent the last four years making voting even more inconvenient in urban areas of battleground states.

[Will Hunting]

Unless the polls showing 90% approval rating of Trump by Republicans are wrong, I'm not getting my hopes up. Even many of the few conservatives who have the guts to hint they don't want to vote for him in 2020 will likely be fed something about the opposition that strikes enough fear in their hearts that they punch the box for him again.
Exactly, which is why the “we need muh Biden because he’s a nice cuddly moderate who’ll convince Fox News viewers that Democrats are nice!” arguments are retarded. No matter who the Democrats pick 35% to 40% of this country will believe the candidate is a radical socialist who wants to nationalize everything come Election Day.

The Democrats could nominate Joe Manchin as the candidate with Doug Jones as his running mate and you’d see Republicans marching in the streets with “JOE MANCHIN IS A COMMUNIST WELCOME TO RUSSIA!” signs if he were to win.

[spurraider21]

Exactly, which is why the “we need muh Biden because he’s a nice cuddly moderate who’ll convince Fox News viewers that Democrats are nice!” arguments are retarded. No matter who the Democrats pick 35% to 40% of this country will believe the candidate is a radical socialist who wants to nationalize everything come Election Day.

The Democrats could nominate Joe Manchin as the candidate with Doug Jones as his running mate and you’d see Republicans marching in the streets with “JOE MANCHIN IS A COMMUNIST WELCOME TO RUSSIA!” signs if he were to win.
HE WANTS TO RAISE THE HIGHEST MARGINAL TAX RATE BY 0.5%, VENEZEULA HERE WE COME

[spurraider21]

im sure people on twitter offered that criticism, and i know you love looking for random hilarious comments on muh rose twitter

im just asking how you came to the conclusion that it is his biggest or most common criticism, but all i've really gotten is "nuh uh" and spongebob.jpeg


Every single article discussed it. He was asked about it in the debates. You are being insanely obtuse at this point by pretending it doesn't exist
sigh

i also mentioned kamala at the debate more than once

[AaronY]

Dems should keep moving further left.
Darrin we can all disagree about a lot around here but I think we can all agree don't nobody want to hear from you here. Please logoff asap.

[Will Hunting]

Darrin we can all disagree about a lot around here but I think we can all agree don't nobody want to hear from you here. Please logoff asap.
:lol not necessary to tell him to log off, Darrin has been pulverized so many times on this forum that his posts amount to either 1 sentence hit and runs or YouTube videos if someone asks him to elaborate.

[Spurminator]

Exactly, which is why the “we need muh Biden because he’s a nice cuddly moderate who’ll convince Fox News viewers that Democrats are nice!” arguments are retarded. No matter who the Democrats pick 35% to 40% of this country will believe the candidate is a radical socialist who wants to nationalize everything come Election Day.

The Democrats could nominate Joe Manchin as the candidate with Doug Jones as his running mate and you’d see Republicans marching in the streets with “JOE MANCHIN IS A COMMUNIST WELCOME TO RUSSIA!” signs if he were to win.

It may be wishful thinking but I do think Biden is a possible exception to my post. If Biden can swing even 10% of the rural vote that could make the difference. Then it becomes a question of whether liberals show up, and I understand the concern from Aaron's perspective because it sounds like we have a pretty similar Twitter feed

That doesn't mean he's my favorite candidate on the issues (and the debates have been disheartening). But the idea of impacting some of the 2016 Trump vote isn't without merit. It's only moot if we assume that the reverse effect is liberals not being motivated enough to vote for a center-skewing liberal over Trump.

[AaronY]

:lol not necessary to tell him to log off, Darrin has been pulverized so many times on this forum that his posts amount to either 1 sentence hit and runs or YouTube videos if someone asks him to elaborate.
I thought he might be voting for Biden so I'm clearly the dumbest person here.

[AaronY]

Darrin currently supports one democrat: JFK who's been dead for 60 years conveniently

[Will Hunting]

I thought he might be voting for Biden so I'm clearly the dumbest person here.
I like how he calls Trump Drumpf because he wants to convince everyone he’s not a Trumper so his positive commentary on Trump will seem more credible when everyone here knows he voted for Trump :lol

”guys I don’t even like Drumpf (obviously since I’m calling him DRUMPF) so I’m not biased here but I think he’s maybe the best president we’ve had since Reagan!”

[Will Hunting]

Darrin currently supports one democrat: JFK who's been dead for 60 years conveniently
He supports JFK for lowering the top marginal tax rate from 91% to an ultra low 70% :lmao

[Will Hunting]

It may be wishful thinking but I do think Biden is a possible exception to my post. If Biden can swing even 10% of the rural vote that could make the difference. Then it becomes a question of whether liberals show up, and I understand the concern from Aaron's perspective because it sounds like we have a pretty similar Twitter feed

That doesn't mean he's my favorite candidate on the issues (and the debates have been disheartening). But the idea of impacting some of the 2016 Trump vote isn't without merit. It's only moot if we assume that the reverse effect is liberals not being motivated enough to vote for a center-skewing liberal over Trump.
I think whatever actual arguments and facts that are lacking in painting Biden as a communist will get made up for with more repetition and volume by right wing media outlets, not to mention the love he gets from a lot of Dems for being black president’s VP can easily be flipped in the other direction with Republicans.

I’d actually agree with you 4 years ago (when Biden should have run), but now those rural voters love Trump too much. Biden’s campaign is also not going to swing any voters, he’s making the same mistake Hillary made. All he does during the debates is say some semblance “TRUMP BAD, PICK ME AND I MAKE TRUMP LOSE!”, there’s no effort to use his background as a blue collar dipshit from Scranton to appeal to other blue collar dipshits from shitholes like Scranton :lol

[baseline bum]

Exactly, which is why the “we need muh Biden because he’s a nice cuddly moderate who’ll convince Fox News viewers that Democrats are nice!” arguments are retarded. No matter who the Democrats pick 35% to 40% of this country will believe the candidate is a radical socialist who wants to nationalize everything come Election Day.

The Democrats could nominate Joe Manchin as the candidate with Doug Jones as his running mate and you’d see Republicans marching in the streets with “JOE MANCHIN IS A COMMUNIST WELCOME TO RUSSIA!” signs if he were to win.

I don't know how anyone could view working with Republicans as anything but negative considering how they stole a Supreme Court seat by deciding it was ok for the Supreme Court to be an 8 person court. That's why I will 100% support court packing if the Democrats win the presidency and the senate. McConnell already set the precedent that there is no need for the Supreme Court to be 9 justices so he can fucking live with it when he's not the one in power.

[Will Hunting]

I don't know how anyone could view working with Republicans as anything but negative considering how they stole a Supreme Court seat by deciding it was ok for the Supreme Court to be an 8 person court. That's why I will 100% support court packing if the Democrats win the presidency and the senate. McConnell already set the precedent that there is no need for the Supreme Court to be 9 justices so he can fucking live with it when he's not the one in power.
When Joe Biden says Republicans other than Trump are reasonable he’s simply ignoring realty. He had a front row seat to the 8 years of the unprecented obstruction McConnell exhibited despite there being a clear mandate by the American people after 2008 to let Democrats run shit because Republicans and their deregulation were the ones who fucked it up.

[baseline bum]

When Joe Biden says Republicans other than Trump are reasonable he’s simply ignoring realty. He had a front row seat to the 8 years of the unprecented obstruction McConnell exhibited despite there being a clear mandate by the American people after 2008 to let Democrats run shit because Republicans and their deregulation were the ones who fucked it up.

Pretty much. I still remember Grassley wanting to work with Obama on the ACA at first, since it was similar to the healthcare plan Grassley was part of as a GOP alternative to Clinton's promised healtcare bill when he got elected, until the GOP got their marching orders from McConnell and the Kochs that they had to resist everything scary negro did. Having a scary black man in the White House just drove the GOP off the fucking deep end.

[Winehole23]

I don't know how anyone could view working with Republicans as anything but negative considering how they stole a Supreme Court seat by deciding it was ok for the Supreme Court to be an 8 person court. That's why I will 100% support court packing if the Democrats win the presidency and the senate. McConnell already set the precedent that there is no need for the Supreme Court to be 9 justices so he can fucking live with it when he's not the one in power.The creation of new US states shouldn't be ruled out either. Throwing Republican dickheads out of power and keeping them out for a spell has never been so important.

[Will Hunting]

Pretty much. I still remember Grassley wanting to work with Obama on the ACA at first, since it was similar to the healthcare plan Grassley was part of as a GOP alternative to Clinton's promised healtcare bill when he got elected, until the GOP got their marching orders from McConnell and the Kochs that they had to resist everything scary negro did. Having a scary black man in the White House just drove the GOP off the fucking deep end.
Meh I think they certainly used scary negro as a tool but they were already driving off the deep end. Matt Taibbi explained it really well years ago, but the Republican Party has a platform that fucks its voter base over. After 8 years of right wing politics leading to a fucking economic crisis, they had no choice but to move further to the right and tell their base “THE PROBLEM IS THAT BUSH DIDNT GO FAR ENOUGH TO SHRINK GOVERNMENT!!!”, any other strategy would have been an inherent admission that right wing style deregulation doesn’t work....meanwhile ever since Clinton Democrats have taken the bait and simply followed them to the right every time they become more extreme, so it works out well for those who actually benefit from votingrepublican.jpeg when Republicans swing the country to the right, even if it means a 1996 or 2008 level skunker once every decade.

[Will Hunting]

The creation of new US states shouldn't be ruled out either. Throwing Republican dickheads out of power and keeping them out for a spell has never been so important.
Agreed...the 600k population of Washington DC doesn’t get any senators but the fuckheads in the Dakotas get 4.

[ducks]

I used to think this but just don’t see it anymore after 2016. The Republican primary was as nasty as primary debates get but in the end Republicans turned out their base better than the Democrats did. In a political climate as polarizing as were in nastiness and infighting seems to be what draws voter interest.

People like trump
The base did did not turn out in 2018 when trump was not on ballot

[ChumpDumper]

i dont disagree... but unless you can demonstrate that they were "out of line" in a more statistically significant way than is the norm, i dont see how you can go with the "this is how you get trump elected" shtick

obama carried despite clinton voters because he ran a strong campaign. clinton coulnd't overcome less internal resistance and a substantially shitter opponent than mccain (tho palin is easily more retarded than trump)


Margins weren’t close in 2008 or 2012, they didn’t wondrously become closer in 2016, they were closer because Clinton ran a shitty campaign, which isn’t the Berniebros’ fault.

:lol you're both saying it's more important when the margins are closer.

Shit counts.

[Will Hunting]

:lol you're both saying it's more important when the margins are closer.

Shit counts.
Yes, every vote is more important when margins are slimmer. I never said otherwise. Great job!

You skipping over the cause of why they’re slimmer is what my point was, but you already knew that.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, every vote is more important when margins are slimmer. I never said otherwise. Great job!

You skipping over the cause of why they’re slimmer is what my point was, but you already knew that.

Right. I'm just sticking with my point, on which we all agree. Too bad it came down to that.

[spurraider21]

13% of republicans who primaried against mccain in 2008 either voted for obama (9%) or didnt vote (4%). cant find anything on the 2012 republican primary. if a candidate requires some anomalous amount of primary-voter support... then maybe its not right to blame that factor

[ChumpDumper]

13% of republicans who primaried against mccain in 2008 either voted for obama (9%) or didnt vote (4%). cant find anything on the 2012 republican primary. if a candidate requires some anomalous amount of primary-voter support... then maybe its not right to blame that factorNot convinced.

Fuck anyone responsible for this shitshow.

[spurraider21]

Not convinced.

Fuck anyone responsible for this shitshow.
but especially bernie bros!

[koriwhat]

At least she could if she wanted to, not like some inbred who doesn't have a passp:lolrt

Damn what a burn! An inbred jab with a passport crossover! Damn player!

[koriwhat]

truthbomb.org

old soft dick white geezers seem to have an achilles heel with strong colored women

id make Cardi. B speaker of d house and watch old white flaccid dicks collapse :lmao

With that horrible whore lisp of hers?

[TheGreatYacht]

Not convinced.

Fuck anyone responsible for this shitshow.


https://youtu.be/yqLsjaPEDC4

#StillWithHer :lol

AaronY and ChumpDumper still salty :lmao

[koriwhat]

The creation of new US states shouldn't be ruled out either. Throwing Republican dickheads out of power and keeping them out for a spell has never been so important.

You're delusional and stupid all rolles up into one with a pathetic imagination to boot.

[spurraider21]

I don't know how anyone could view working with Republicans as anything but negative considering how they stole a Supreme Court seat by deciding it was ok for the Supreme Court to be an 8 person court. That's why I will 100% support court packing if the Democrats win the presidency and the senate. McConnell already set the precedent that there is no need for the Supreme Court to be 9 justices so he can fucking live with it when he's not the one in power.
and when he was recently asked if he would push through a vote on a supreme court justice if a vacancy opened up during this last year of trump's term he gave a quick, confident "YES"

when it was mentioned that following obama's term there were a shocking amount of judicial vacancies he said it was "because i was controlling the senate, thats why"

he's a fucking turd to put it lightly

[spurraider21]

Steyer is beginning to grow on me tbh which is surprising since I’m typically not a fan of the oligarch candidates, but he seems really electable and is genuinely intent on addressing climate change.
he keeps qualifying for debates because he's dumping massive amounts of money into the early states and dem debate qualifications allow you to get in if you're getting 7% on any 2 early state polls

the thought of anybody buying their way into office is a complete mockery of the office. its one thing if its through fundraising because of overwhelming support... another if ur just rich and can spend assloads of money. bloomberg is worse

but yeah i would def say at in his debate appearances he does appear genuine. just delusional about his chances because nobody knows who the fuck he is

[ChumpDumper]

but especially bernie bros!Among others, sure.

[spurraider21]

Among others, sure.
they seem to draw your ire disproportionately tbh

[FrostKing]

Steyer is beginning to grow on me tbh which is surprising since I’m typically not a fan of the oligarch candidates, but he seems really electable and is genuinely intent on addressing climate change.
https://media0.giphy.com/media/XCfm4Vl9JtguhuqK21/source.gif

[AaronY]

I don't know how anyone could view working with Republicans as anything but negative considering how they stole a Supreme Court seat by deciding it was ok for the Supreme Court to be an 8 person court. That's why I will 100% support court packing if the Democrats win the presidency and the senate. McConnell already set the precedent that there is no need for the Supreme Court to be 9 justices so he can fucking live with it when he's not the one in power.

It's mainly lip service and good strategically. The fact that you progressives don't understand this is one of the main reasons you guys do so astronomically bad in red and purple districts

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/progressives-plan-victory-just-took-gut-punch-now-what-do-n933771


I mean you guys did horrible in 2018 anywhere outside of safe blue districts. Beyond horrible.

[AaronY]

There's a reason of the 4 people in that knock down the house movie

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/knock_down_the_house

We only talk about AOC and it's because the other 3 weren't running in the Bronx and they lost by like 30 points each

[spurraider21]

There's a reason of the 4 people in that knock down the house movie

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/knock_down_the_house

We only talk about AOC and it's because the other 3 weren't running in the Bronx and they lost by like 30 points each
taking the L against trump is a much bigger lol than the midterm results

[AaronY]

It may be wishful thinking but I do think Biden is a possible exception to my post. If Biden can swing even 10% of the rural vote that could make the difference. Then it becomes a question of whether liberals show up, and I understand the concern from Aaron's perspective because it sounds like we have a pretty similar Twitter feed

That doesn't mean he's my favorite candidate on the issues (and the debates have been disheartening). But the idea of impacting some of the 2016 Trump vote isn't without merit. It's only moot if we assume that the reverse effect is liberals not being motivated enough to vote for a center-skewing liberal over Trump.
Of course Republicans will try to smear anyone who runs as a Socialist but it will be much less effective on Biden. As for Twitter while I spend a lot of time since I have a job while I have to sit in front of the computer it's really very irrelevant as it a horrible misrepresentation of the Democratic base: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/08/upshot/democratic-electorate-twitter-real-life.html

There is a funny Twitter Bernie Democrat joke thing called "Cuomo's Law" which is a joke about the online left views of normal Dems is the opposite of reality. It got this name as when Cynthia Nixon primaried Cuomo everyone thought she had a chance because she was super popular in twitter and everyone there hate him. None of the progressives on there could figure out how anyone would vote for him. Meanwhile he won by 35 points lmao. Like he won every group: young, old, black, white, gays etc.

[baseline bum]

Of course Republicans will try to smear anyone who runs as a Socialist but it will be much less effective on Biden.

What a load. It was extremely effective against Clinton.

[AaronY]

taking the L against trump is a much bigger lol than the midterm results
We had an election in 2018 and you guys shit the bed and us moderates saved you.

Please win a few elections outside of D +30 districts before you lecture on how to turn West Virginia socialist

[ChumpDumper]

they seem to draw your ire disproportionately tbhWell, they're pretty vocal petulant bitches, so sure.

[spurraider21]

Well, they're pretty vocal petulant bitches, so sure.
who ended up toeing the line about as well as one could expect or hope

[spurraider21]

We had an election in 2018 and you guys shit the bed and us moderates saved you.

Please win a few elections outside of D +30 districts before you lecture on how to turn West Virginia socialist
katie porter flipped CA-45 which had literally never had a democrat rep since it became a district in 1983, so theres one (was R +17 in 2016) :lol

katie hill (revenge porn) also flipped CA-25, which had been republican since 1992

even though beto's record is generally far from progressive, he essentially campaigned and ran as one against cruz and actually turned that into a race... its fair to credit the turnout he generated to some of the other dem texas wins

[Winehole23]

You're delusional and stupid all rolles up into one with a pathetic imagination to boot.I don't think incorporation as a state and voting representation in the US Congress for Washington DC iare delusional, stupid or pathetic.

The words I would use are equitable and fair. Why should inhabitants of DC remain second class citizens politically?

[Winehole23]

DC is more as populous than Wyoming and about the same as North Dakota. Why should it have any less repreaentation and self-determination?

[Will Hunting]

Not convinced.

Fuck anyone responsible for this shitshow.
So then fuck Hillary for not bothering to campaign in Wisconsin and allowing Trump to win it with even less votes than romney got in Wisconsin in 2012, right?

[Will Hunting]

he keeps qualifying for debates because he's dumping massive amounts of money into the early states and dem debate qualifications allow you to get in if you're getting 7% on any 2 early state polls

the thought of anybody buying their way into office is a complete mockery of the office. its one thing if its through fundraising because of overwhelming support... another if ur just rich and can spend assloads of money. bloomberg is worse

but yeah i would def say at in his debate appearances he does appear genuine. just delusional about his chances because nobody knows who the fuck he is
I don’t view Steyer buying his way into office as any more reprehensible than he Kochs choosing a puppet candidate and buying his way into office, and if Steyer will enact meaningful ways to address climate change it’s a means to an end. Bloomberg OTOH is doing this purely for ego reasons and I’d enjoy seeing him die in a gas chamber.

[SpursforSix]

Unless the polls showing 90% approval rating of Trump by Republicans are wrong, I'm not getting my hopes up. Even many of the few conservatives who have the guts to hint they don't want to vote for him in 2020 will likely be fed something about the opposition that strikes enough fear in their hearts that they punch the box for him again.

Plus, it doesn't help that Republicans have spent the last four years making voting even more inconvenient in urban areas of battleground states.

All this is true. I was partially basing my comment on some anecdotal evidence. I’ve talked with a few people that voted Trump and have indicated they wouldn’t do that again. Granted, at the time there were more Dems in the race that they liked. My guess is they likely just won’t vote.

[Winehole23]

Lots of good survey info here. One takeaway is that one should be wary of assuming candidates draw their support from completely distinct pools.

https://projects.economist.com/democratic-primaries-2020/

[AaronY]

In 2018, Democratic candidates waded into hostile territory and flipped 40 House districts, many of them moderate or conservative in their makeup. In almost every instance, their formula centered on narrowing their target profile by avoiding controversial positions, and focusing obsessively on Republican weaknesses, primarily Donald Trump’s abuses of power and attempts to eliminate health insurance for millions of Americans.


The Democratic presidential field has largely abandoned that model. Working from the premise that the country largely agrees with them on everything, or that agreeing with the majority of voters on issues is not necessary to win, the campaign has proceeded in blissful unawareness of the extremely high chance that Trump will win again.


A new batch of swing state polls from the New York Times ought to deliver a bracing shock to Democrats. The polls find that, in six swing states — Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona — Trump is highly competitive. He trails Joe Biden there by the narrowest of margins, and leads Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.


Normally, it is a mistake to overreact to the findings of a single poll. In general, an outlier result should only marginally nudge our preexisting understanding of where public opinion stands. This case is different. To see why, you need to understand two interrelated flaws in the 2016 polling. First, they tended to under-sample white voters without college degrees. And this made them especially vulnerable to polling misses in a handful of states with disproportionately large numbers of white non-college voters. The Times found several months ago that Trump might well win 270 Electoral College votes even in the face of a larger national vote defeat than he suffered in 2016.

All this is to say that, if you’ve been relying on national polls for your picture of the race, you’re probably living in la-la land. However broadly unpopular Trump may be, at the moment he is right on the cusp of victory.


What about the fact Democrats crushed Trump’s party in the midterms? The new Times polling finds many of those voters are swinging back. Almost two-thirds of the people who supported Trump in 2016, and then a Democrat in the 2018 midterms, plan to vote for Trump again in 2020.

Perhaps some of that movement represents a desire by voters to check Trump’s power and restore divided government. But the poll contains substantial evidence that Trump’s party lost the midterms for the hoary yet true reason that Republicans took unpopular positions, especially on health care, and ceded the center. Rather than learn the lesson, Democrats instead appear intent on ceding it right back to them.


The “center,” of course, is a somewhat hazy concept, subject both to overinterpretation and misinterpretation. Capturing the center isn’t the only reason politicians win elections, and some policies that Washington elites consider “radical” are in fact popular. Nonetheless, it really is true that there are a bunch of persuadable voters who can be pushed away from a party based on their perception that it’s too radical.


And the Democratic presidential primary has been a disaster on this front. The debate has taken shape within a world formed by Twitter, in which the country is poised to leap into a new cultural and economic revolution, and even large chunks of the Democratic Party’s elected officials and voting base have fallen behind the times. As my colleague Ed Kilgore argues, the party’s left-wing intelligentsia have treated any appeals to voters in the center as a sign of being behind the times.


http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/poll-trump-beats-democrats-swing-state-biden-warren-sanders.html


Hmmm if only there was a candidate who basically told the twitterati left to go fuck itself. Maybe an older guy, kind of folksy. Whose followers were off twitter and didnt give a shit about it....

[Winehole23]

...whose brain is falling out of his head as we watch.

[TheGreatYacht]

...whose brain is falling out of his head as we watch.


Almost wishing Bernie wins just to see AaronY meltdown... :lol

[ElNono]

Aaron is in Shillary mode, tbh, which is what cost the democrats the last election... "Yeah, she's obnoxious, stands for nothing, neocon, warmoger, globalist, unlikeable, unappealing, but you should positively go vote for her because radical socialism or conservatards!"

It's the same exact thing with Biden this time around.

The problem with that thinking is that quite a bit of the dems demographics (especially young people) are idealistic, and rather not vote than go vote for the 'lesser of two evils'.

It's not a personal criticism towards Aaron, just pointing out the realities of the electorate.

[TheGreatYacht]

Aaron is in Shillary mode, tbh, which is what cost the democrats the last election... "Yeah, she's obnoxious, stands for nothing, neocon, warmoger, globalist, unlikeable, unappealing, but you should positively go vote for her because radical socialism or conservatards!"

It's the same exact thing with Biden this time around.

The problem with that thinking is that quite a bit of the dems demographics (especially young people) are idealistic, and rather not vote than go vote for the 'lesser of two evils'.

It's not a personal criticism towards Aaron, just pointing out the realities of the electorate.

Makes me wonder if AaronY will fall in line and vote for Bernie should Bernie get the nominee. Or will his hatred of Bernie get the best of him that he won't care that not voting means a vote for Trump :lol

[AaronY]

Aaron is in Shillary mode, tbh, which is what cost the democrats the last election... "Yeah, she's obnoxious, stands for nothing, neocon, warmoger, globalist, unlikeable, unappealing, but you should positively go vote for her because radical socialism or conservatards!"

It's the same exact thing with Biden this time around.

The problem with that thinking is that quite a bit of the dems demographics (especially young people) are idealistic, and rather not vote than go vote for the 'lesser of two evils'.

It's not a personal criticism towards Aaron, just pointing out the realities of the electorate.
My man. My man.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/progressives-plan-victory-just-took-gut-punch-now-what-do-n933771


Please try and blame this one on the superdelegates and DNC. The DNC's handpicked moderates are the only ones who did anything in 2018.

[AaronY]

So then fuck Hillary for not bothering to campaign in Wisconsin and allowing Trump to win it with even less votes than romney got in Wisconsin in 2012, right?
You literally are aware of the 2018 midterms, correct?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN7ZRznX0AExTuL?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Will Hunting]

You literally are aware of the 2018 midterms, correct?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN7ZRznX0AExTuL?format=jpg&name=900x900
Keep changing the topic!

[spurraider21]

My man. My man.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/progressives-plan-victory-just-took-gut-punch-now-what-do-n933771


Please try and blame this one on the superdelegates and DNC. The DNC's handpicked moderates are the only ones who did anything in 2018.
how does that article say moderate dems did in senate races?

you're cherry picking midterms which have lower turnout that the general election and aren't as great predictors for that reason. we also dont know all the numbers. how many total progressive candidates were there in contested house races vs moderate ones? sure, moderates flipped a lot more in the house, but we'd want to see the batting average, too.

plus like i said a lot of the positive texas results have been at least in part credited to beto mobilizing the base in texas

[AaronY]

Endangered Democrats sound the alarm on Bernie and Warren


A slate of endangered House Democrats is coalescing behind Joe Biden for president as the Iowa caucuses approach — a surge of support triggered by fears that Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren at the top of the ticket would cost them their seats.
More than a dozen swing-seat freshmen have taken part in at least one private call session with Biden, Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg in recent weeks. A handful have already gravitated toward the former vice president, and more are expected to follow before Democrats start voting on Feb. 3, according to interviews with 15 lawmakers, aides and campaign strategists.

Story Continued Below


Others are still hearing out Klobuchar — who held her own call with a dozen members on Monday night — and Buttigieg. Both candidates are pitching themselves as middle-of-the-road Democrats who can stem the leftward surge of the party.





“I’m looking at all the moderates in the race,” said Rep. Anthony Brindisi (D-N.Y.), who holds a GOP-leaning district in upstate New York. “If we’re going to campaign on issues like Medicare for All and free college for everybody, we’re not going to have a winning message in 2020.”
House Democrats in battleground districts are anxious for a moderate to lead the ballot in 2020, warning that a self-described socialist like Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) or liberal icon like Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) could hurt their own chances in the fall — and help reelect President Donald Trump. Most won over independents and moderate Republicans to flip long-held GOP districts in 2018.
"The wrong person at the top of the ticket — and I’m not saying who that is — there would be down-ballot carnage all across the country."
- Rep. Cedric Richmond

Some say a more liberal nominee threatens to shatter their electoral coalitions, and they have the data in their districts to prove it. A number of Democratic centrists — some of whom hold seats Trump carried by sizable margins — have studied internal polling showing Biden outperforming other Democratic contenders in head-to-heads with Trump in their respective districts.
"The wrong person at the top of the ticket — and I’m not saying who that is — there would be down-ballot carnage all across the country, and I think that people are starting to recognize it,” said Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-La.), a national co-chair of the Biden campaign.
Unlike in 2016, when most Democrats rallied around Hillary Clinton,most have so far stayed on the sidelines (https://www.politico.com/2020-election/democratic-presidential-candidates/endorsements/) of the party's primary fight, anxious of drawing battle lines that could further divide their district or attract a primary challenge from the left.
But an increasing number of centrists are quietly engaging with campaigns, particularly Biden, through conference calls and staff-to-staff contact, in the run-up to Iowa’s caucuses.

https://static.politico.com/88/ab/63374b78462684cdc35d9cbc6048/190823-conor-lamb-gty-773.jpg
Rep. Conor Lamb. | Drew Angerer/Getty Images
Biden is leading the congressional endorsement race (https://www.politico.com/2020-election/democratic-presidential-candidates/endorsements/) among the presidential hopefuls. He has 33 in total, including five Democrats in Trump-won House or Senateseats, the most of any presidential contender. Democratic Reps. Elaine Luria of Virginia, Abby Finkenauer of Iowa and Conor Lamb of Pennsylvania — all of whom hold seats Trump carried in 2016— backed Biden this month.






Story Continued BeloOn a November call with Biden, some freshman members cited internal polling that showed the former vice president as the most formidable candidanumber of battleground Democrats commissioned a round of polling in the late summer and fall that tested Biden and other candidates against Trump. Biden performed more favorably, according to sources familiar with the surveys, though they cautioned that some tests had very small sample sizes and that Biden’s dominance is not unexpected given his high name ID.




“I am definitely concerned that someone’s who more on the fringes would have a hard time winning our state themselves, and I want a Democratic candidate to win Pennsylvania and win the presidency,” said Lamb, who endorsed Biden last week and is going to campaign with him this month in New Hampshire.
Asked if Warren or Sanders — the top two candidates in a new Iowa poll (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/10/iowa-des-moines-register-poll-democrats-097372) released Friday — could win his district, Lamb said: “I think it would be really hard.”
Democrats are also looking seriously at Klobuchar, who pitched her own ability to carry districts where Trump won in 2016 in her Monday night conference call.

[Will Hunting]

how does that article say moderate dems did in senate races?

you're cherry picking midterms which have lower turnout that the general election and aren't as great predictors for that reason. we also dont know all the numbers. how many total progressive candidates were there in contested house races vs moderate ones? sure, moderates flipped a lot more in the house, but we'd want to see the batting average, too.

plus like i said a lot of the positive texas results have been at least in part credited to beto mobilizing the base in texas
Stacey Abrams also wins the Georgia governor race if her opponent isn’t able to abuse his power and suppress votes.

The whole midterm argument assumes the premise that you win presidential elections by flipping the middle when evidence doesn’t support that. Bill Clinton was the last candidate to win a presidential election by focusing on trying to win the middle, every candidate from either party who has tried it since then has failed (Gore, Kerry, Romney, H. Clinton).

[spurraider21]

Stacey Abrams also wins the Georgia governor race if her opponent isn’t able to abuse his power and suppress votes.

The whole midterm argument assumes the premise that you win presidential elections by flipping the middle when evidence doesn’t support that. Bill Clinton was the last candidate to win a presidential election by focusing on trying to win the middle, every candidate from either party who has tried it since then has failed (Gore, Kerry, Romney, H. Clinton).
mccain to a degree. MAVERICK

GOP was doomed following bush's 2nd term, and thats why mccain made sense strategically as trying to distance themselves. palin tho...

[Will Hunting]

mccain to a degree. MAVERICK

GOP was doomed following bush's 2nd term, and thats why mccain made sense strategically as trying to distance themselves. palin tho...
I don’t view McCain’s maverick thing as an example of centrist strategy failing, him losing that election wasn’t a question of campaign strategy :lol

[AaronY]

how does that article say moderate dems did in senate races?

you're cherry picking midterms which have lower turnout that the general election and aren't as great predictors for that reason. we also dont know all the numbers. how many total progressive candidates were there in contested house races vs moderate ones? sure, moderates flipped a lot more in the house, but we'd want to see the batting average, too.

plus like i said a lot of the positive texas results have been at least in part credited to beto mobilizing the base in texas
There's all kinds of stats in the article.

Besides, what is the evidence for progressivism being good electorally tho honestly?

Hillary lost so the guy she beat by 4 million votes must have been able to win?

Biden has been leading from wire to wire so Warren and Bernie must be better?

[Spurtacular]

Aaron is in Shillary mode, tbh, which is what cost the democrats the last election... "Yeah, she's obnoxious, stands for nothing, neocon, warmoger, globalist, unlikeable, unappealing, but you should positively go vote for her because radical socialism or conservatards!"

It's the same exact thing with Biden this time around.

The problem with that thinking is that quite a bit of the dems demographics (especially young people) are idealistic, and rather not vote than go vote for the 'lesser of two evils'.

It's not a personal criticism towards Aaron, just pointing out the realities of the electorate.


My man. My man.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/progressives-plan-victory-just-took-gut-punch-now-what-do-n933771


Please try and blame this one on the superdelegates and DNC. The DNC's handpicked moderates are the only ones who did anything in 2018.

You're both (half) right. The Dems have two losing strategies to pick from.

[AaronY]

Hillary lol. I literally never mention Hillary, made fun of the Russia investigation right after 2016 and never made any excuses or complained about the electoral college.

[Spurtacular]

mccain to a degree. MAVERICK

Nope. TOTAL PUTZ

[Reck]

This argument it’s still going then?

At least there’s that. Plenty of room to disagree about which candidate is the right one wherein the other party just shuts up and plays their parts like the puppets they are.

Before this all started I liked Beto but he unraveled very quickly. Had he kept his 2018 campaigning style I think he would still be in it today. Then I kind of warmed up to Warren but all the flip flops, lies and backtrack has taken the winds from her sails.

At this point to me Biden has had the most durability (has lasted longer than I thought) and has actually improved from debates to debates from what I have seen.

Unless anything dramatically changes, he might be the dude we have to put our votes in. Bernie has never been an option for me. His unwillingness to move on some of his unachievable policies is a turn off for me. You have to at least find a compromise somehow, somewhere.

BTW, I don’t really care for Biden’s push to “work with the republicans” either. He’s been naive there but it’s nice to know the willingness is there. But for gods sake stop talking about them like you’re in love with them and how’d you pick one as your VP. Cringe all around.

To finish up, just want to make clear I’d vote for Bernie as worst case. Trump needs to go. PERIOD.

[Isitjustme?]

AOC trying to drive moderates out of the party is suicide. This is a woman who won in the Bronx with 12% turnout and lost badly in the African American and Latino demos in the primaries as her support was all white hipsters. She should not pretend to be an expert in rural areas or red states. Its madness anyone is even listening to her.

[AaronY]

She really didnt have black and latino support?

[CosmicCowboy]

I would love AOC to lead the democratic party.

[Isitjustme?]

She really didnt have black and latino support?

No lol all white gentrified hipsters


Ocasio-Cortez’s best precincts were places like the neighborhood where Bonthius and his friends live: highly educated, whiter and richer than the district as a whole. In those neighborhoods, Ocasio-Cortez clobbered Crowley by 70 percent or more. Crowley’s best precincts, meanwhile, were the working-class African-American enclave of LeFrak City, where he got more than 60 percent of the vote, and portions of heavily Hispanic Corona. He pulled some of his best numbers in Ocasio-Cortez’s heavily Latino and African-American neighborhood of Parkchester, in the Bronx — beating her by more than 25 points on her home turf.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/dont-blame-black-and-latino-voters-its-the-white-hipsters-who-are-pulling-the-democrats-leftward

[AaronY]

No lol all white gentrified hipsters



https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/dont-blame-black-and-latino-voters-its-the-white-hipsters-who-are-pulling-the-democrats-leftward
lmao thats phenomenal. Now she is lecturing people on how to turn West Virginia socialist.

[Reck]

lmao thats phenomenal. Now she is lecturing people on how to turn West Virginia socialist.

She’s only as relevant as she is now because the Republicans can’t keep her out of their mouths. I can’t name of one thing she’s done for us yet. And I mean that since I’m from the borough she represents. Lol

[ChumpDumper]

So then fuck Hillary for not bothering to campaign in Wisconsin and allowing Trump to win it with even less votes than romney got in Wisconsin in 2012, right?Yes.

Did I stutter?

[Spurtacular]

So then fuck Hillary for not bothering to campaign in Wisconsin and allowing Trump to win it with even less votes than romney got in Wisconsin in 2012, right?


Yes.

Did I stutter?

Let's hear you say it, then.

[Will Hunting]

Yes.

Did I stutter?
Guess not :tu

[Spurtacular]

Guess not :tu

Nah, he's stuttering. Watch him dodge saying it :tu

[Will Hunting]

Nah, he's stuttering. Watch him dodge saying it :tu
Dodge what? He just gave an unequivocal yes, isn’t really dodging anything...

[Spurtacular]

Dodge what? He just gave an unequivocal yes, isn’t really dodging anything...

Giving a grudging yes and actually saying it is not the same thing, especially when it comes to Chump.

He loves wiggle room. Never assume anything is unequivocal when it comes to him.

[Reck]

Saying yes is actually not saying yes.

:lol derp

[Isitjustme?]

lmao thats phenomenal. Now she is lecturing people on how to turn West Virginia socialist.

I am pretty sure in that Netflix movie she was in of the women was socialist and in West Virginia and got creamed lol

[spurraider21]

Nope. TOTAL PUTZ
what were/are your thoughts on palin?

[ElNono]

My man. My man.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/progressives-plan-victory-just-took-gut-punch-now-what-do-n933771

Please try and blame this one on the superdelegates and DNC. The DNC's handpicked moderates are the only ones who did anything in 2018.

That article pretty much agrees with what I wrote. The closing paragraph especially highlights what I was talking about and why Biden is a terrible candidate.

[Will Hunting]

I am pretty sure in that Netflix movie she was in of the women was socialist and in West Virginia and got creamed lol
That Netflix movie was fucking awful and I’m embarrassed to say I got halfway through it before turning it off, but there was one scene showing that woman in a primary debate with Manchin and it was a bloodbath :lol

[AaronY]

That article pretty much agrees with what I wrote. The closing paragraph especially highlights what I was talking about and why Biden is a terrible candidate.
OK well we will take your word for it that Bernie would have won. Also, if Biden wins the nom and loses then obviously Bernie or Warren would have won easily

[Will Hunting]

OK well we will take your word for it that Bernie would have won. Also, if Biden wins the nom and loses then obviously Bernie or Warren would have won easily
You’re already preparing for the scenario where Biden loses to Trump :lol

[AaronY]

I am pretty sure in that Netflix movie she was in of the women was socialist and in West Virginia and got creamed lol
Oh :lol I never seen it. I think I checked their results on wikipedia and one woman lost by 77-7 or something.

There was supposed to be a former Democratic West Virginia governor we were trying to get to run as senator this year but I checked just now and I dont think he's running.

[Spurtacular]

Saying yes is actually not saying yes.

:lol derp

Watch him dance, tranny.

[baseline bum]

You’re already preparing for the scenario where Biden loses to Trump :lol

Shit we should all be preparing for it, seems reasonably likely.

[AaronY]

You’re already preparing for the scenario where Biden loses to Trump :lol
The economy is strong and I don't think anyone would be a favorite against him from this field. A war or slowdown would help. I know if Bernie or Warren gets the nom and loses badly you will definitely move to the center and say moderates are good for sure immediately.

[Spurtacular]

what were/are your thoughts on palin?

She's not my hero; but it was fun watching her trigger snowflakes.

[Spurtacular]

You’re already preparing for the scenario where Biden loses to Trump :lol

Seems like the sensible thing to do.

[ElNono]

Stacey Abrams also wins the Georgia governor race if her opponent isn’t able to abuse his power and suppress votes.

The whole midterm argument assumes the premise that you win presidential elections by flipping the middle when evidence doesn’t support that. Bill Clinton was the last candidate to win a presidential election by focusing on trying to win the middle, every candidate from either party who has tried it since then has failed (Gore, Kerry, Romney, H. Clinton).

Possibly the largest vote-flipper in the '18 midterms was Beto, who didn't win, and didn't look all that progressive back then either.

Also, all candidates eventually veer to the middle some once they won the candidacy. Even Trump with the whole "my hedge fund buddies are going to take a hit", etc. While it's true it more pandering than anything else, it's also true that middle is going to make or break your chances.

[Will Hunting]

Shit we should all be preparing for it, seems reasonably likely.
:lol just imagine Trump in debates with Biden...hell be going full speed tearing into Biden with all kinds of insults while dumb Joe will be standing there with the wandering arm and old man stare saying “I don’t like you but I like Republicans!”

[Reck]

Shit we should all be preparing for it, seems reasonably likely.

Not a believer in polls then? Don’t blame you.

But he’s 1 of 2 that beats Trump by like 10 points. The others do as well but barely and in the margin of errors.

[spurraider21]

Possibly the largest vote-flipper in the '18 midterms was Beto, who didn't win, and didn't look all that progressive back then either.

Also, all candidates eventually veer to the middle some once they won the candidacy. Even Trump with the whole "my hedge fund buddies are going to take a hit", etc. While it's true it more pandering than anything else, it's also true that middle is going to make or break your chances.
dont you remember when he guaranteed everyone would get healthcare coverage and the government would pay for it? :lmao

[baseline bum]

Not a believer in polls then? Don’t blame you.

But he’s 1 of 2 that brats Trump by like 10 points. The others do as well but barely and in the margin of errors.

We have seen this act before with Clinton. I'm not at all confident with the Democrats nominating a guy who won't get people to turn out. "Hey Trump's a crook and an asshole" failed as a message in 2016, so I'm leery of it in 2020.

[baseline bum]

:lol just imagine Trump in debates with Biden...hell be going full speed tearing into Biden with all kinds of insults while dumb Joe will be standing there with the wandering arm and old man stare saying “I don’t like you but I like Republicans!”

I bet the debates will just turn into Trump insulting his son.

[Will Hunting]

Not a believer in polls then? Don’t blame you.

But he’s 1 of 2 that beats Trump by like 10 points. The others do as well but barely and in the margin of errors.
This is where the Hillary/Biden supporters are dense, polls don’t take voter turnout into consideration. Not to mention how much of a failure the polls were in 2016.

If the country had 90% voter participation on Election Day I’d be fervently in favor of picking someone closer to the middle, but when it’s only 55% to 60% turning out the base matters more than winning the middle.

[baseline bum]

This is where the Hillary/Biden supporters are dense, polls don’t take voter turnout into consideration.

If the country had 90% voter participation on Election Day I’d be fervently in favor of picking someone closer to the middle, but when it’s only 55% to 60% turning out the base matters more than winning the middle.

This. The Democrats running another negative campaign like Clinton's is just going to hurt turnout when people think "meh, both sides."

[Isitjustme?]

This is where the Hillary/Biden supporters are dense, polls don’t take voter turnout into consideration. Not to mention how much of a failure the polls were in 2016.

If the country had 90% voter participation on Election Day I’d be fervently in favor of picking someone closer to the middle, but when it’s only 55% to 60% turning out the base matters more than winning the middle.

I thought the argument for Bernie is the base would turn itself out and he would get people who don't normally vote out? and the competing theory is to do what Biden is doing which is to focus on older people and swing voters who always turn out but can be flipped. Most of the Bernie people say his thing is he brings in people who wouldnt normally be voters. But the counterpoint is he could turn off moderates or some independent people would just stay home if its a socialist and Trump as the only two options.

[Will Hunting]

The economy is strong and I don't think anyone would be a favorite against him from this field. A war or slowdown would help. I know if Bernie or Warren gets the nom and loses badly you will definitely move to the center and say moderates are good for sure immediately.
All kidding aside this field just sucks progressive or moderate. Charisma/personality matter more than politics and none of these candidates have an Obama-like personality that hooks voters. Maybe Biden did but he’s too old now.

I really wish Sherrod Brown ran, he’d be way better than anyone else in the field.

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQFItVBKlAU

[ElNono]

OK well we will take your word for it that Bernie would have won. Also, if Biden wins the nom and loses then obviously Bernie or Warren would have won easily

That's not the point I was making. The point is that you need some sort of charismatic leader out there. Bernie fits that mold somewhat, but mostly by default because Biden is absolutely terrible.

The actual problem is that nobody in-between Biden and Bernie showed up (yet).

Ultimately, presidential elections are a glorified popularity contest.

[ElNono]

dont you remember when he guaranteed everyone would get healthcare coverage and the government would pay for it? :lmao

yep. And multinationals were going to take a hit for moving work across the border... the list is endless.

[Will Hunting]

I thought the argument for Bernie is the base would turn itself out and he would get people who don't normally vote out? and the competing theory is to do what Biden is doing which is to focus on older people and swing voters who always turn out but can be flipped. Most of the Bernie people say his thing is he brings in people who wouldnt normally be voters. But the counterpoint is he could turn off moderates or some independent people would just stay home if its a socialist and Trump as the only two options.
Independents stayed home and voted for Trump in 2016 (here comes some argument about how even though Hillary was as moderate as it gets her failure as a moderate doesn’t really count for purposes of this argument).

I don’t think Bernie is the best candidate, he’s too old and I don’t think this country is ready to elect a Jew who probably doesn’t believe in god. Warren isn’t as far to the left hqoever she hasn’t been able to build momentum.

Truth be told none of the candidates left in the field moderate or progressive are all that imo.

[ElNono]

:lol just imagine Trump in debates with Biden...hell be going full speed tearing into Biden with all kinds of insults while dumb Joe will be standing there with the wandering arm and old man stare saying “I don’t like you but I like Republicans!”

It's like grandpa A vs grandpa B yelling at clouds... I'll let you watch it, and then you can give me your notes :lol

[ElNono]

Even Nathan was going to vote for Bernie if he was the candidate... think about that for a minute.

[Will Hunting]

It's like grandpa A vs grandpa B yelling at clouds... I'll let you watch it, and then you can give me your notes :lol
Except grandpa A will probably take his unhealthy food/caffeine cocktail before the game to get energy, while grandpa B doesn’t have the energy to yell anymore and is <5 years away from living in an assisted living home :lol

[ElNono]

Except grandpa A will probably take his unhealthy food/caffeine cocktail before the game to get energy, while grandpa B doesn’t have the energy to yell anymore and is <5 years away from living in an assisted living home :lol

You have grandpa A taking his insulin shot + feasting on a MacD before the debate starts vs grandpa B fondling the female moderator... what a shit show

[Spurtacular]

The economy is strong and I don't think anyone would be a favorite against him from this field. A war or slowdown would help. I know if Bernie or Warren gets the nom and loses badly you will definitely move to the center and say moderates are good for sure immediately.

All the Dem moderates are corrupt with the exception of Tulsi.

[Trainwreck2100]

This is how you get President Trump reelected.

i don't put it past the berniebros to tank this if their guy goes out again regardless.

[Spurtacular]

Independents stayed home and voted for Trump in 2016 (here comes some argument about how even though Hillary was as moderate as it gets her failure as a moderate doesn’t really count for purposes of this argument).

Nobody worries about Hillary in terms of moderate/progressive.

They think of her in terms of corrupt / head in the sand not corrupt or cunt / head in the sand not a cunt.

[ChumpDumper]

Let's hear you say it, then.Already did.

I said everyone responsible.

[Spurtacular]

Already did.

I said everyone responsible.

Let's hear you say it.

:cry Can't. :cry

:cry #StillWithHer :cry

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Let's hear you say it.

:cry Can't. :cry

:cry #StillWithHer :cry

:lmaoSure. Fuck her for being a bad candidate.

:lol I made sure you chimed in first
:lol so easy to shoot you down
:lol now cry about it

[Will Hunting]

Well, this thread was fun while it lasted.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, this thread was fun while it lasted.Sorry. He should be satisfied but probably won't be.

I will vote for anyone who wins the Democratic nomination. Period.

[Will Hunting]

Sorry. He should be satisfied but probably won't be.

I will vote for anyone who wins the Democratic nomination. Period.
Yeah idk why you waste time engaging with him but that comment was more directed at him trying to turn an unequivocal yes into a 10 page argument.m :lol

I just moved to Washington DC a few months ago so I’m not sure if I’m going to vote at all since it doesn’t fucking matter :lol

[Reck]

Even Nathan was going to vote for Bernie if he was the candidate... think about that for a minute.

Please.

Nathan was never for Bernie. He hates him now and is a die hard Trumpie.

You have to be extra retarded to be for one guy and then not only vote the other way but then proceed to shit on everything Bernie than be a Trump ass licker full time in a matter of weeks.

[Isitjustme?]

All kidding aside this field just sucks progressive or moderate.

2016 was even worse imo. Final four was Hillary, Bernie, Trump, and Cruz lmao

[Spurtacular]

Yeah idk why you waste time engaging with him but that comment was more directed at him trying to turn an unequivocal yes into a 10 page argument.m :lol

It's not unequivocal. That's why he won't say it. I called it. Don't be mad that I called it, son.

[ChumpDumper]

It's not unequivocal. That's why he won't say it. I called it. Don't be mad that I called it, son.:lmao you missed a couple posts, son.

[Spurtacular]

Sorry. He should be satisfied but probably won't be.

I will vote for anyone who wins the Democratic nomination. Period.

You should be able to say it if that's how you truly see it. You can't. #StillWithHer and all.

LOL Dump

[Will Hunting]

It's not unequivocal. That's why he won't say it. I called it. Don't be mad that I called it, son.
He literally just said “fuck her for being a bad candidate” :lol

There are some posters on this site where I wonder if the elevator goes all the way to the top floor (ducks, boutons, Fabbs, etc)....maybe you belong on the list :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You should be able to say it if that's how you truly see it. You can't. #StillWithHer and all.

LOL Dump:lmao go back further.

[Spurtacular]

Sure. Fuck her for being a bad candidate.

:lol I made sure you chimed in first
:lol so easy to shoot you down
:lol now cry about it

That's not why you said fuck her.

I told you he likes his wiggle room, Will.

[Will Hunting]

You should be able to say it if that's how you truly see it. You can't. #StillWithHer and all.

LOL Dump
Post specifically word-for-word what you don’t think he’s willing to say.

[ChumpDumper]

He literally just said “fuck her for being a bad candidate” :lol

There are some posters on this site where I wonder if the elevator goes all the way to the top floor (ducks, boutons, Fabbs, etc)....maybe you belong on the list :lol:lol he's gonna try to turn this L around somehow. Calling it now.

[Spurtacular]

He literally just said “fuck her for being a bad candidate” :lol

While (not so) subtly changing the reason. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

That's not why you said fuck her. What else am I supposed to be saying?:lol

[Reck]

:lol he's gonna try to turn this L around somehow. Calling it now.

Getting you to keep replying is how he always does it.

[ChumpDumper]

While (not so) subtly changing the reason. :lol:lmao called it

[Spurtacular]

What else am I supposed to be saying?:lol

You should know since it's so unequivocal.

:lmao Will Hunting

[ChumpDumper]

Getting you to keep replying is how he always does it.True enough.

I'm done here unless you need me to say additionally fuck someone else for 2016. I think I covered it.

[ChumpDumper]

You should know since it's so unequivocal.

:lmao @WillHuntingNope.

Have a good time ITT.

[Spurtacular]

True enough.

I'm done here unless you need me to say additionally fuck someone else for 2016. I think I covered it.

Yea, you're above it, ChumpHumper.

:lmao

[spurraider21]

All the Dem moderates are corrupt with the exception of Tulsi.
:lmao thinking tulsi is a moderate

[Will Hunting]

While (not so) subtly changing the reason. :lol
I said fuck her for not visiting Wisconsin and letting Trump win it.

He said fuck her for being a bad candidate.

Her failure to visit Wisconsin was an example of why she was a bad candidate.

What is it we’re talking about here :lol

[Spurtacular]

I'm done here unless you need me to say additionally fuck someone else for 2016.

:cry It's ancient history, amirite? :cry

:lol I called out the dance regardless of whether you think you said it or not.

[Spurtacular]

I said fuck her for not visiting Wisconsin and letting Trump win it.

He said fuck her for being a bad candidate.

Yea, he changed it from a specific to a general. It's what he does to make it not so "unequivocal".

I done called it, son.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao thinking tulsi is a moderate

By Democrat standards, she's right wing.

[Will Hunting]

True enough.

I'm done here unless you need me to say additionally fuck someone else for 2016. I think I covered it.
Not that it matters, but I’m curious what his response will be if you say the following:

“Fuck Hillary Clinton for not visiting Wisconsin and thereby letting Trump win it by getting less votes than Romney got in Wisconsin in 2012”

[ChumpDumper]

Yea, he changed it from a specific to a general. It's what he does to make it not so "unequivocal".

I done called it, son.Sorry, I'll take away your claimed W.

Fuck her specifically for not visiting Wisconsin.

Unequivocally.

Son.

Later.

[Spurtacular]

Not that it matters, but I’m curious what his response will be if you say the following:

“Fuck Hillary Clinton for not visiting Wisconsin and thereby letting Trump win it by getting less votes than Romney got in Wisconsin in 2012”

Let's find out. That'll really hurt him to type that. You making it a copy/paste for him will make it a less bitter pill to swallow though.

[Spurtacular]

Sorry, I'll take away your claimed W.

Fuck her specifically for not visiting Wisconsin.

Unequivocally.

Son.

Later.

That hurt you to type that. Took you a really long time to muster the strength.

:lol All that extra lashing out.

[ChumpDumper]

Not that it matters, but I’m curious what his response will be if you say the following:

“Fuck Hillary Clinton for not visiting Wisconsin and thereby letting Trump win it by getting less votes than Romney got in Wisconsin in 2012”Looks like he's already claimed victory before anything even happened.

Must need what feels like a w really badly.

I agree to all that. And I've already said she sucked as a candidate and listed some of her many mistakes. derp gonna derp.

[Spurtacular]

Looks like he's already claimed victory.

I agree to all that. derp gonna derp.

It was really painful for you. Baby steps.

[spurraider21]

By Democrat standards, she's right wing.
she's as far left as anybody but bernie on just about every single issue. thats why she was the first member of congress to endorse bernie back in 2016 too

you just thing she's right wing because she says mean things about clinton :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

she's as far left as anybody but bernie on just about every single issue. thats why she was the first member of congress to endorse bernie back in 2016 too

you just thing she's right wing because she says mean things about clinton :lmao

I will vote for her if she wins the nomination.

[Spurtacular]

she's as far left as anybody but bernie on just about every single issue. thats why she was the first member of congress to endorse bernie back in 2016 too

you just thing she's right wing because she says mean things about clinton :lmao

She's one of just two or three that are anti-war. Is that not moderate?

[Spurtacular]

I would vote for her if she won the nomination.

Hillary or Tulsi?

[ChumpDumper]

Hillary or Tulsi?Tulsi.

[Will Hunting]

She's one of just two or three that are anti-war. Is that no moderate?
Maybe I’m just stubborn but I still consider anti-war to be a liberal stance...I know the Dems love war these days, but her anti-war shit is what makes Tulsi a classic liberal imo (also a reason id be supporting her if she was polling better, she’d probabky be my top choice ignoring the fact she has no shot at the primary)

[spurraider21]

She's one of just two or three that are anti-war. Is that not moderate?
anti-war, anti-defense spending has long been considered a left wing position tbh :lol... remember the hippies? remember how all the warhawks are right wing neocons like graham/bolton/pompeo etc?

i will agree that a lot of dems have been less passionate about that position. its part of why people further to the left have been very critical of obama/hillary for their foreign policy

[spurraider21]

:lol derp about to rethink his tulsi fanhood after hearing she is actually very far left wing and that chump would vote for her

but be brave derp, dont give up. just remember when she said mean things about hillary and posted sweaty workout videos! you know, the only reasons you ever liked her to begin with

[Spurtacular]

Maybe I’m just stubborn but I still consider anti-war to be a liberal stance.

Because there's plenty of Repub regimes for which the media made out the Dems to be the anti-war party. You're a victim of the propaganda.

Even when Obama was warring all over the place, the media played it down.

[spurraider21]

Maybe I’m just stubborn but I still consider anti-war to be a liberal stance...I know the Dems love war these days, but her anti-war shit is what makes Tulsi a classic liberal imo (also a reason id be supporting her if she was polling better, she’d probabky be my top choice ignoring the fact she has no shot at the primary)
the only republicans i can think of who have been strongly anti-war have been ron/rand and they're libertarian, not staunch conservatives

[Spurtacular]

:lol derp about to rethink his tulsi fanhood after hearing she is actually very far left wing and that chump would vote for her


Tulsi's unequivocally the best presidential candidate on the Democratic side. There's nothing to rethink.

[spurraider21]

Because there's plenty of Repub regimes for which the media made out the Dems to be the anti-war party. You're a victim of the propaganda.

Even when Obama was warring all over the place, the media played it down.
thats a big reason why progressives have been critical of the obama administration for not left wing enough

[Spurtacular]

the only republicans i can think of who have been strongly anti-war have been ron/rand and they're libertarian, not staunch conservatives

Media loves to spotlight warring redneck mentalities. Most conservatives are war adverse, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

anti-war, anti-defense spending has long been considered a left wing position tbh :lol... remember the hippies?

Sure, if we're going to go back to 1962. A lot of those hippies are now Repubs and not for these wars.

[spurraider21]

Sure, if we're going to go back to 1962. A lot of those hippies are now Repubs and not for these wars.
yes a lot. their names are ron and rand paul

[spurraider21]

Media loves to spotlight warring redneck mentalities. Most conservatives are war adverse, tbh.
not the elected ones

[Spurtacular]

yes a lot. their names are ron and rand paul

yes a lot. their names are bernie and tulsi gabbard.

[Spurtacular]

not the elected ones

On both sides.

[Will Hunting]

yes a lot. their names are bernie and tulsi gabbard.
When it went to a house vote, Republicans were 215-6 in favor of the war in Iraq, Dems were 126-81 against :lol

When it went to a senate vote, Republicans were 48-1 in favor while Dems were 29-21 in favor :lol

Sorry but Dems as a whole are way more anti-war than Republicans are.

[Spurtacular]

When it went to a house vote, Republicans were 215-6 in favor of the war in Iraq, Dems were 126-81 against :lol

When it went to a senate vote, Republicans were 48-1 in favor while Dems were 29-21 in favor :lol

Sorry but Dems as a whole are way more anti-war than Republicans are.

For a Repub president, bruh.

You're deluding yourself.

[spurraider21]

:lmao 263 out of 270 republicans voted for the war

:cry but they're more anti-war than the dems :cry

[DMC]

Tulsi's unequivocally the best presidential candidate on the Democratic side. There's nothing to rethink.

I still don't think this country has evolved to the point of electing a female POTUS. There's still a male dominance effect where protection is considered. It's not like the POTUS is going to wrestle anyone to the ground, maybe a reporter, but I think some have a hard time with the concept of having a female in charge in times of crisis. Consider half the population is female, only 13% or so is black. We've had a black POTUS, not a female one.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao 263 out of 270 republicans voted for the war

:cry but they're more anti-war than the dems :cry

Dems got their war and their narrative.

Lite and Will don't know how shell games work.

[spurraider21]

dont you remember romney/obama debates about military spending? trump always talks about wanting to spend more on military. this isn't some radical concept derp

[spurraider21]

Dems got their war and their narrative.

Lite and Will don't know how shell games work.
so your argument is that those dems who voted against the war actually really wanted the war

oh ok

[DMC]

:lmao 263 out of 270 republicans voted for the war

:cry but they're more anti-war than the dems :cry
Republicans are anti-Dem, and Dems are anti-Republican. Whatever one sides garners praise for supporting, the other side will likely try to show it in a negative light and disavow support for it until social media punishes them, then they'll trickle back to a median.

[Will Hunting]

dont you remember romney/obama debates about military spending? trump always talks about wanting to spend more on military. this isn't some radical concept derp
Remember how batshit the Fox News crowd went when Obama wanted to phase out obsolete military technology and stop spending money on it :lol

[spurraider21]

Republicans are anti-Dem, and Dems are anti-Republican. Whatever one sides garners praise for supporting, the other side will likely try to show it in a negative light and disavow support for it until social media punishes them, then they'll trickle back to a median.
no.

dems overwhelmingly voted for AUMF in 2001. they didnt fight it just because republicans wanted it.

hawks have overwhelmingly leaned right, its not exactly up for interpretation. this is just another weak attempt at :cry both sides :cry

[Will Hunting]

:lmao the Democrats in Congress literally just passed a resolution to block Trump from taking military action against Iran without Congress approval, but cocaine Mitch blocked it once it got to the senate.

:lmao sounds like more neoconservative Democrats trying to bully those sweet pacifist republicans into another war!

[DMC]

Should AOC leave the democratic party?