Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[Thread]

Grim business Dale, really sorry to hear it but really glad to hear she's beating it. Hang in there.

Thanks D.

[Winehole23]

Florida cancels vacation rentals, stops travelers on IH-10 with LA license plates.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/28/florida-coronavirus-cases-now-over-3-700-plan-set-up-checkpoints-state-border-unfolds/2932694001/

[Thread]

Florida cancels vacation rentals, stops travelers on IH-10 with LA license plates.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/28/florida-coronavirus-cases-now-over-3-700-plan-set-up-checkpoints-state-border-unfolds/2932694001/

Could only intrastate travel be coming down the pike?

Get it, travel? pike? turnpike?

[hater]

Death Rate in US keeps going up

deaths doubled in 2 days

death rate at 1.6% now

[Bynumite]

Called it.

[Winehole23]

NY to start antibody testing. If ramped up sufficiently and twinned with social tracking, could help a lot.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/hospitals-in-nyc-will-start-testing-therapy-using-plasma-of-those-infected/

[ducks]

Doctor Fauci was considered the leading expert in his field and praised for his knowledge and expertise for decades. Because he does not criticize President Trump everyday some in the media now claim is a token Trump boy. Both CNN and MSNBC have both had "experts", claiming just that, all because he will not criticize President Trump. You still think we have a free, unbiased press?

[ducks]

Death Rate in US keeps going up

deaths doubled in 2 days

death rate at 1.6% now

Death rate is higher riding in car

[hater]

Death rate is higher riding in car

:lmao no its not ya stupid moron :lmao

if everyone gets Corona 3 million would die

car accidents are about 30,000 per year

:lmao ducks

[hater]

spain police state going hard

Memories of Franco

https://twitter.com/dipjm/status/1242686516222181376?s=20

[FkLA]

spain police state going hard

Memories of Franco

https://twitter.com/dipjm/status/1242686516222181376?s=20

:tu

Wish they would do that to some of the retards here.

[DMC]

Could only intrastate travel be coming down the pike?

Get it, travel? pike? turnpike?

That took a toll on me but it didn't drive me away.

[DMC]

:tu

Wish they would do that to some of the retards here.

Super intelligent, could have just let him go but now 5 people made physical contact with him. Those same people will likely make physical contact with many more. Solid plan.

[CosmicCowboy]

Death Rate in US keeps going up

deaths doubled in 2 days

death rate at 1.6% now

This shit sucks but the 1.6% is bogus because of lack of testing.

You cant possibly argue that.

[RandomGuy]

death rate at 1.6% now


Death rate is higher riding in car

No, it's not. Quit pulling stuff out of your ass.

[RandomGuy]

This shit sucks but the 1.6% is bogus because of lack of testing.

You cant possibly argue that.

Man, that lack of testing is really hampering efforts.

There is no way we could have anticipated that.

[Nathan89]

We anticipated it. The CDC botched the test.

[DarrinS]

I don't have much sympathy for people who chose to get on a cruise ship, given everything we know


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-8sJoMJ6Y

[midnightpulp]

We anticipated it. The CDC botched the test.

Honestly, time for political football is over. This should bring all Americans together in calling our ANYONE who botched. Many dems botched. And Trump botched. He should not have in any circumstances been saying "this thing will be over by March" and downplaying it, presumably to protect the stock market and/or he just didn't believe its severity. You might bring up him closing travel with China. Fine. Good move. But even after that he was still saying "No biggie." From the tweeters own mouth:

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After this ends, our gratitude should go to those who deserve it. London Breed in San Fran saved a lot of lives issuing the first shelter-in-place order in the country. Newsom was on point issuing the country's first stay at home order. On "your" side, Tucker Carlson is the one Fox anchor who didn't downplay it.

[Thread]

I don't have much sympathy for people who chose to get on a cruise ship, given everything we know


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-8sJoMJ6Y


Darrin

[Thread]

Honestly, time for political football is over. This should bring all Americans together in calling our ANYONE who botched. Many dems botched. And Trump botched. He should not have in any circumstances been saying "this thing will be over by March" and downplaying it, presumably to protect the stock market and/or he just didn't believe its severity. You might bring up him closing travel with China. Fine. Good move. But even after that he was still saying "No biggie." From the tweeters own mouth:

1232058127740174339

After this ends, our gratitude should go to those who deserve it. London Breed in San Fran saved a lot of lives issuing the first shelter-in-place order in the country. Newsom was on point issuing the country's first stay at home order. On "your" side, Tucker Carlson is the one Fox anchor who didn't downplay it.

They were on the beach in California last weekend, Midst.

[midnightpulp]

They were on the beach in California last weekend, Midst.

Defying the order. Not Newsom's fault. Unless you want martial law in the US of A? Trump botched. I know when you side a man, you side him forever, but he BOTCHED. There's no spin outta this.

[Thread]

Defying the order. Not Newsom's fault. Unless you want martial law in the US of A? Trump botched. I know when you side a man, you side him forever, but he BOTCHED. There's no spin outta this.

You're wrong about Trump, but, there is no dissuading you.

[boutons_deux]

Shipments of urns in Wuhan raise questions about China’s coronavirus reporting

Massive deliveries of urns in Wuhan have raised fresh skepticism of China’s coronavirus reporting.

photos began circulating on social media and local media outlets showing vast numbers of urns at Wuhan funeral homes.

China has reported 3,299 coronavirus-related deaths, with most taking place in Wuhan, the epicenter of the global pandemic.

But one funeral home received two shipments of 5,000 urns over the course of two days,

both the

United States and Italy have reported significantly more cases and than China.

Italy has reported just shy of three times the fatalities.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/shipments-of-urns-in-wuhan-raise-questions-about-chinas-coronavirus-reporting/ (https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/shipments-of-urns-in-wuhan-raise-questions-about-chinas-coronavirus-reporting/)

[midnightpulp]

Shipments of urns in Wuhan raise questions about China’s coronavirus reporting

Massive deliveries of urns in Wuhan have raised fresh skepticism of China’s coronavirus reporting.

photos began circulating on social media and local media outlets showing vast numbers of urns at Wuhan funeral homes.

China has reported 3,299 coronavirus-related deaths, with most taking place in Wuhan, the epicenter of the global pandemic.

But one funeral home received two shipments of 5,000 urns over the course of two days,

both the

United States and Italy have reported significantly more cases and than China.

Italy has reported just shy of three times the fatalities.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/shipments-of-urns-in-wuhan-raise-questions-about-chinas-coronavirus-reporting/ (https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/shipments-of-urns-in-wuhan-raise-questions-about-chinas-coronavirus-reporting/)




:lol of course they're lying. It's what they do.

[Winehole23]

Ymmv depending on whether there's an (R) in charge.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/desperate-for-medical-equipment-states-encounter-a-beleaguered-national-stockpile/2020/03/28/1f4f9a0a-6f82-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPUIv0mu4zs

[hater]

thisisfine.gif

https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1232353561436131328?s=21


this might b actually worse than I predicted

Nancy Messonier is a saint

she called it like it was qnd whe was shut up by her superiors and the US government

bless you Nancy


it was because of this post that I went out and immediately prepared myself

thanks to Nancy I have a enough toilet paper to last me 2 pandemics

[slick'81]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPUIv0mu4zs

Yea that will probably help. Better start eating everything with a spoon

[Thread]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPUIv0mu4zs

Most important!

[Nathan89]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPUIv0mu4zs

I've been pretty damn good at this but I can improve at home.

Also I'd wager that proactively cutting your finger nails is pretty important nowadays. Which I have done but just wanted make others more aware.

[TimDunkem]

James Dolan has coronavirus. :lol

[baseline bum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPUIv0mu4zs

OK to jack off though?

[slick'81]

OK to jack off though?


Wear gloves?

And hopefully you guys dont touch your face sub consciously at night when you sleep

[Pelicans78]

The CDC dropped the ball on this and are the biggest reason it’s spread as quickly as it has. They have a lot of blood on its hand.

[ChumpDumper]

Has Trump done anything wrong at all ever?

[Pelicans78]

Has Trump done anything wrong at all ever?

He definitely quarantined too late especially knowing mass testing wasn’t going to be available thanks to the CDC.

[Winehole23]

According to the Boston Globe, the Trump Adminstration has repeatedly used force majeure to break Massachusetts' purchasing contracts for medical supplies.

Stealing from blue to give to red?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/27/nation/states-intense-chase-protective-equipment-coronavirus-isnt-only-rival/%3foutputType=amp

[DarrinS]

Longer version of the video. First 15 min. or so very informative

https://vimeo.com/399733860

[DarrinS]

I've been pretty damn good at this but I can improve at home.

Also I'd wager that proactively cutting your finger nails is pretty important nowadays. Which I have done but just wanted make others more aware.



I just cut mine last night. I just keep something to clean my hands in my vehicle whenever I go to go the store

Pro tip -- grab very high on freezer doors at the grocery. Everyone else touches the middle.

[Thread]

I've been pretty damn good at this but I can improve at home.

Also I'd wager that proactively cutting your finger nails is pretty important nowadays. Which I have done but just wanted make others more aware.

But, why "at home," Nathan? Do you live with others?

I figure once I get inside and wash my hands I'm safe.

[Blake]

Doctor Fauci was considered the leading expert in his field and praised for his knowledge and expertise for decades. Because he does not criticize President Trump everyday some in the media now claim is a token Trump boy. Both CNN and MSNBC have both had "experts", claiming just that, all because he will not criticize President Trump. You still think we have a free, unbiased press?

Do you see yourself as unbiased?

[ChumpDumper]

I just cut mine last night.Nail brush too.


I just keep something to clean my hands in my vehicle whenever I go to go the storeThinking maybe a Bill Miller bucket of soapy water if hand sanitizer never comes back.


Pro tip -- grab very high on freezer doors at the grocery. Everyone else touches the middle.Probably gonna start gloving up at the bigger stores; vacillating between forgetfulness and hypervigilance in that setting.

[Blake]

I just cut mine last night. I just keep something to clean my hands in my vehicle whenever I go to go the store

Pro tip -- grab very high on freezer doors at the grocery. Everyone else touches the middle.

I've always done that with doors.

Another pro tip when it comes to the cold sections: don't take the very first item on the row. When the front end clerks return stuff from the checkout, that's where they put it.

[DarrinS]

Nail brush too.

Thinking maybe a Bill Miller bucket of soapy water if hand sanitizer never comes back.

Probably gonna start gloving up at the bigger stores; vacillating between forgetfulness and hypervigilance in that setting.



Just consider your hands fubar and clean them. If you touch your face with a dirty glove, what's the difference?

[DarrinS]

I just keep a bottle of isopropyl alcohol and cotton balls, tbh.

[DarrinS]

I've always done that with doors.

Another pro tip when it comes to the cold sections: don't take the very first item on the row. When the front end clerks return stuff from the checkout, that's where they put it.


Thanks. Didn't think of that.

[ElNono]

We anticipated it. The CDC botched the test.

This is a nice scapegoat, but nowhere near the full picture. We also passed on getting tests from the WHO, the CDC took too long to start and to authorize colleges and private sector to make tests.

I don't care whose fault is it, but we botched a 3 month head start, and for all the grandiloquence about the tests now, it's too late. We still don't have a big picture, and we're just about to find out based on how many people die every day. We failed this one.

[ElNono]

After this ends, our gratitude should go to those who deserve it. London Breed in San Fran saved a lot of lives issuing the first shelter-in-place order in the country. Newsom was on point issuing the country's first stay at home order. On "your" side, Tucker Carlson is the one Fox anchor who didn't downplay it.

Don't forget the medical personnel. Except for the assholes hoarding the malarian drug, they're the real heroes.

[hater]

this could turn out really bad for us

imagine 12-18 Wuhans

devastating


“I’m worried that New York might not be the worst-case scenario when you think about other states that have even older and less-healthy populations, and fewer hospital beds available,” said Retsef Levi, a professor of operations management at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who has developed modeling tools designed to help public officials prepare for the spread of the novel virus and the disease it causes, covid-19.

[ChumpDumper]

Just consider your hands fubar and clean them. If you touch your face with a dirty glove, what's the difference?99% less likely to touch my face with a gloved hand. It's really just in the bigger stores. So much going on.

[hater]

chicago, detroit, boston, new orleans, albany....

good article but fucking scary

https://apple.news/A1iR_pPtEQ16o-cpJtWbhkA

[DarrinS]

this could turn out really bad for us

imagine 12-18 Wuhans

devastating


“I’m worried that New York might not be the worst-case scenario when you think about other states that have even older and less-healthy populations, and fewer hospital beds available,” said Retsef Levi, a professor of operations management at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who has developed modeling tools designed to help public officials prepare for the spread of the novel virus and the disease it causes, covid-19.


Why not 1000 Wuhans? Wouldn't that be epic? And you could say you called it. YOU!!

[hater]

Why not 1000 Wuhans? Wouldn't that be epic? And you could say you called it. YOU!!

nah only big cities/metro areas could qualify

sadly US has lots of those :(

lets hope Im wrong

[DarrinS]

99% less likely to touch my face with a gloved hand. It's really just in the bigger stores. So much going on.

I have a shit ton of nitrile gloves, but I probably wouldn't waste them on the store.

Anyone ordering HEB or Wal-Mart curbside? I haven't yet, but heard HEB has their shit together on this.

[Pelicans78]

This is a nice scapegoat, but nowhere near the full picture. We also passed on getting tests from the WHO, the CDC took too long to start and to authorize colleges and private sector to make tests.

I don't care whose fault is it, but we botched a 3 month head start, and for all the grandiloquence about the tests now, it's too late. We still don't have a big picture, and we're just about to find out based on how many people die every day. We failed this one.

You have to be honest with yourself and ask why our country and other western countries failed.

[Pelicans78]

nah only big cities/metro areas could qualify

sadly US has lots of those :(

lets hope Im wrong

Nah, it’s too late. Without mass testing, complete lockdown was the only way and it’s not happening.

[Trainwreck2100]

You have to be honest with yourself and ask why our country and other western countries failed.

the far right revolution over the last few years didn't help matters

[Trainwreck2100]

CDC-constantly getting their funding cut, and oh and btw they fired the pandemic team. But it's the CDc'a fault

[hater]

I have a shit ton of nitrile gloves, but I probably wouldn't waste them on the store.

Anyone ordering HEB or Wal-Mart curbside? I haven't yet, but heard HEB has their shit together on this.

use gloves man. any kind

mask or scarf and thats it

very easy oh and trash all the bags/cojntainers after

then wash hands

thats it

[picnroll]

the far right revolution over the last few years didn't help matters

Nixon for opening up China. Fools thinking as China got wealthier it would evolve toward democracy. Greedy businessmen selling out the country for cheap manufacturing to make more money.

[hater]

You have to be honest with yourself and ask why our country and other western countries failed.

too miopic and distracted with their plans. fighting between nationalists and globalists. these motherfuckers fucked up

US has a third world healthcare and pandemic preparedness

oh and the white house was full of chimpanzees

thats it

very easy to explain

[picnroll]

use gloves man. any kind

mask or scarf and thats it

very easy oh and trash all the bags/cojntainers after

then wash hands

thats it

Hold your breath for long periods of time in public.

[ChumpDumper]

And of course I have a ton of plastic shopping bags I can use as mitts at the gas station and shit.

[hater]

oh and having 3 or 4 gigantic corporations doesnt help. makes us slow

(google, apple, amazon, walmart)

[slick'81]

too miopic and distracted with their plans. fighting between nationalists and globalists. these motherfuckers fucked up

US has a third world healthcare and pandemic preparedness

oh and the white house was full of chimpanzees

thats it

very easy to explain

yup. Even someone with just a middleschool education could figure this out

[midnightpulp]

This is a nice scapegoat, but nowhere near the full picture. We also passed on getting tests from the WHO, the CDC took too long to start and to authorize colleges and private sector to make tests.

I don't care whose fault is it, but we botched a 3 month head start, and for all the grandiloquence about the tests now, it's too late. We still don't have a big picture, and we're just about to find out based on how many people die every day. We failed this one.

:lol China's.

The West was complacent, but not devious like the CCP.

[ChumpDumper]

Nixon for opening up China.Genius short term move but the race to the bottom led to an overreliance on dem commies for a stupid just-in-time medical supply stocking scheme.

[midnightpulp]

Don't forget the medical personnel. Except for the assholes hoarding the malarian drug, they're the real heroes.

Yep. And the brave Chinese whistleblowers, as well. Not to mention all the checkers, baggers, fast food employees, truck drivers who are keeping society running. Exposes how people like Zuckerfuck aren't really that valuable in the grand scheme.

[hater]

good shit about the next steps. after the initial shutdown... what happens next??

Is the coronavirus playing games with the world? Do lockdowns have a lasting effect? Hong Kong was a rare success story in the global war on coronavirus. But it also showed what happens when such measures as social distancing, hygiene and protective gear are relaxed too soon. In the past week, confirmed cases in Hong Kong suddenly doubled, mainly due to overseas imports, prompting Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam on Wednesday, March 25 to bar all non-residents from the territory.
This pattern of ebb and surge, which is unfolding also in China, Singapore and Taiwan, begs questions. Is the lockdown model for containing coronavirus at fault? After all, people do get fed up staying at home. Or was the lifting of restrictions premature? These questions lead to another: Maybe the virus did not in the first wave reach what epidemiologists call “critical mass” i.e., infecting enough people for the “herd effect” to kick in. It therefore returned for a second visit.

https://www.debka.com/seeking-the-elusive-herd-effect-to-beat-back-coronavirus-2/

damn

so even in strict lockdowns, herd effect does not kick in so 2nd wave could be as deadly :wow

fucked up shit

[DMC]

Why not 1000 Wuhans? Wouldn't that be epic? And you could say you called it. YOU!!

It will be 9/11 x 4236

[DMC]

Yep. And the brave Chinese whistleblowers, as well. Not to mention all the checkers, baggers, fast food employees, truck drivers who are keeping society running. Exposes how people like Zuckerfuck aren't really that valuable in the grand scheme.

NBA players :lol

[hater]

this has 1918 written all over it

1st wave hits old folk

2nd wave obliterates youth

[slick'81]

this has 1918 written all over it

1st wave hits old folk

2nd wave obliterates youth

we all knew this is the new SF hate....

[Splits]

this has 1918 written all over it

1st wave hits old folk

2nd wave obliterates youth

You should start another called it thread

What's your mana level right now?

[hater]

You should start another called it thread

What's your mana level right now?

man Im watching Spurs 2014 finals on nbatv right now

stop distracting me

[ElNono]

You have to be honest with yourself and ask why our country and other western countries failed.

It's a food for thought question to be answered later on. There's nothing to gain right now pointing fingers.


:lol China's.

The West was complacent, but not devious like the CCP.

That's whataboutism, and really, I don't completely disagree, but it's not the road to introspection. Mistakes were made here and hopefully we learn from that.

[Splits]

man Im watching Spurs 2014 finals on nbatv right now

stop distracting me

my mana level is off the charts, going to be making some big calls soon

[hater]

my mana level is off the charts, going to be making some big calls soon

good for u ma niga

if u use ur brain u can make some great calls

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-0/p480x480/91327384_2654895271286237_5914558570937974784_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=vZpxkBbproMAX94d468&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=6e9c4bdc05eedb3cdb50fccacd3af60f&oe=5E819A1C

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Ventilator maker speaks out as Trump invokes Defense Production Act

Chris Kiple told NBC News his company was already well on its way to rolling out thousands of ventilators to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.

The chief executive of a Seattle company partnering with General Motors to produce ventilators says they were already moving forward with plans to roll out the life-saving medical equipment before President Donald Trump decided to invoke the Defense Production Act.

"We plan to be producing together over 1,000 units by the end of April and of course with GM's talent and skill, we'll be ramping up to 3,000, 5,000 and 10,000," Ventec Life Systems CEO Chris Kiple said in an exclusive interview with NBC News.

Trump on Friday night invoked the rarely-used Korean War-era law to order GM to increase production of ventilators as the country grapples with escalating numbers of COVID-19 cases.

"We were just not getting there with GM," Trump said at a news conference.

Earlier in the day, Trump attacked the Detroit automaker in a series of tweets, criticizing it for not moving quickly enough to produce ventilators and requesting “top dollar” for the contract.

“As usual with ‘this’ General Motors, things just never seem to work out,” Trump tweeted. “They said they were going to give us 40,000 much needed Ventilators, ‘very quickly’. Now they are saying it will only be 6000, in late April, and they want top dollar."

GM and Ventec said afterward they were preparing to roll out as many as 10,000 ventilators a month, many of which would be produced on a new assembly line at a GM facility in Indiana.

"Ventec, GM and our supply base have been working around the clock for over a week to meet this urgent need," the companies added in a Friday afternoon statement.

In the interview, Kiple responded to reports that FEMA pulled back from a deal with GM-Ventec after the companies asked for a $1.5 billion contract.

"We provided the government with a range of options, ranging from a thousand units a month to 21,000 units a month and a whole host of pricing that went with that," Kiple said. "So we gave the government a menu of options to present to and just tried to respond to their request for information to say how many can you produce and how fast."


Ventec is one of about a dozen worldwide manufacturers of ventilators. Since the COVID-19 outbreak, the med-tech company has been on the front lines even before it teamed up with GM. In its Seattle-area facility alone, the company made around 300 devices in the last 30 days.

"This is really an unprecedented activity that GM and Ventec are in to mass produce a ventilator with an auto-manufacturer," Kiple said. "The commitment from GM has been overwhelming."

Speaking before the president invoked the Defense Production Act, Kiple said his company was dedicated to producing ventilators regardless of whether the government purchases them.

"We are going to continue to manufacture them where the need arises," Kiple said.

"Whether it's the federal government, the state governments, hospitals, medical professionals on the frontline, there is a need here not just in the United States but around the world and General Motors and Ventec Life Systems will rise to meet that demand and as soon as that demand isn't there, we'll lessen our production.

https://apple.news/AW8gOMFF4RNmz58AKAv51uA

Shitbag Trash totally unjustly throws politician, executives under the bus to promote himself and cover up his incompetence. He’s not looking to lead the country, he’s looking at ways to promote himself. Loan liter/reality show host even wants to send out COVID flyers with Trump’s plan headers and checks negotiated by Pelosi and Schumer with just name in the bottom of the check.

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Coronavirus: Boris Johnson's government reportedly 'furious' with China

Boris Johnson's government is reportedly furious with China's handling of the coronavirus, with UK officials quoted on Sunday warning that Beijing faces a "reckoning" once the COVID-19 crisis is over.

UK government officials believe China is spreading disinformation about the severity of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, the Mail on Sunday reports.

The newspaper says scientists have warned Johnson that China could have downplayed its number of confirmed cases of the coronavirus "by a factor of 15 to 40 times." China had reported just 81,439 at the time of writing.

Officials also believe China is trying to expand its economic power through offering help to other countries which are trying to combat the virus.
The newspaper quoted three UK officials, who all reported fury within Johnson's government.

One said: "It is going to be back to the diplomatic drawing board after this. Rethink is an understatement."

The second unnamed official said "there has to be a reckoning when this is over," while the third said "the anger goes right to the top."

The newspaper adds that Johnson's government is so angry with China's handling of the crisis that the prime minister could abandon his previous decision to let Chinese telecomms company Huawei develop the UK's 5g network.

Johnson angered his main ally President Donald Trump by giving Huawei a limited but significant role in improving the country's infrastructure.

The Trump administration was angered by the decision, with the president himself reportedly expressing his disapproval before hanging up in an "apoplectic" phone call with Johnson last month.

The decision also riled swathes of MPs in Johnson's own Conservative party.

One Cabinet minister quoted by the Mail on Sunday said: "We can't stand by and allow the Chinese state's desire for secrecy to ruin the world's economy and then come back like nothing has happened.

"We're allowing companies like Huawei not just into our economy, but to be a crucial part of our infrastructure.

'This needs to be reviewed urgently, as does any strategically important infrastructure that relies on Chinese supply chains."

Johnson has written to every household in the UK urging people to continue following strict social distancing rules.

In the letter, which will reach Brits in the next few days, the prime minister, who this week tested positive for the coronavirus, says: "We know things will get worse before they get better."

"But we are making the right preparations, and the more we all follow the rules, the fewer lives will be lost and the sooner life can return to normal."

The prime minister earlier this week introduced a lockdown, telling people to only leave their homes for essential reasons and giving UK police the power to fine those who do not comply.

https://apple.news/AbKPb5tWaT1iqOAiuviN_mg

Good to see. Hopefully all the western countries wake up.

[boutons_deux]

Shitbag Trash totally unjustly throws politician, executives under the bus to promote himself and cover up his incompetence. He’s not looking to lead the country, he’s looking at ways to promote himself.

yep, ALWAYS blaming somebody else, while LYING that he's Perfect, Faultless, Best Words, Best Brain, while fucking up everything he touches.

If Ventec/GM run into problems even with their skills and best efforts, Trash will kick them hard and repeatedly.

If Ventec/GM succeed, then it will be Trash alone who succeeded.

[ElNono]

Ventilator maker speaks out as Trump invokes Defense Production Act

Chris Kiple told NBC News his company was already well on its way to rolling out thousands of ventilators to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.

The chief executive of a Seattle company partnering with General Motors to produce ventilators says they were already moving forward with plans to roll out the life-saving medical equipment before President Donald Trump decided to invoke the Defense Production Act.

"We plan to be producing together over 1,000 units by the end of April and of course with GM's talent and skill, we'll be ramping up to 3,000, 5,000 and 10,000," Ventec Life Systems CEO Chris Kiple said in an exclusive interview with NBC News.

Trump on Friday night invoked the rarely-used Korean War-era law to order GM to increase production of ventilators as the country grapples with escalating numbers of COVID-19 cases.

"We were just not getting there with GM," Trump said at a news conference.

Earlier in the day, Trump attacked the Detroit automaker in a series of tweets, criticizing it for not moving quickly enough to produce ventilators and requesting “top dollar” for the contract.

“As usual with ‘this’ General Motors, things just never seem to work out,” Trump tweeted. “They said they were going to give us 40,000 much needed Ventilators, ‘very quickly’. Now they are saying it will only be 6000, in late April, and they want top dollar."

GM and Ventec said afterward they were preparing to roll out as many as 10,000 ventilators a month, many of which would be produced on a new assembly line at a GM facility in Indiana.

"Ventec, GM and our supply base have been working around the clock for over a week to meet this urgent need," the companies added in a Friday afternoon statement.

In the interview, Kiple responded to reports that FEMA pulled back from a deal with GM-Ventec after the companies asked for a $1.5 billion contract.

"We provided the government with a range of options, ranging from a thousand units a month to 21,000 units a month and a whole host of pricing that went with that," Kiple said. "So we gave the government a menu of options to present to and just tried to respond to their request for information to say how many can you produce and how fast."


Ventec is one of about a dozen worldwide manufacturers of ventilators. Since the COVID-19 outbreak, the med-tech company has been on the front lines even before it teamed up with GM. In its Seattle-area facility alone, the company made around 300 devices in the last 30 days.

"This is really an unprecedented activity that GM and Ventec are in to mass produce a ventilator with an auto-manufacturer," Kiple said. "The commitment from GM has been overwhelming."

Speaking before the president invoked the Defense Production Act, Kiple said his company was dedicated to producing ventilators regardless of whether the government purchases them.

"We are going to continue to manufacture them where the need arises," Kiple said.

"Whether it's the federal government, the state governments, hospitals, medical professionals on the frontline, there is a need here not just in the United States but around the world and General Motors and Ventec Life Systems will rise to meet that demand and as soon as that demand isn't there, we'll lessen our production.

https://apple.news/AW8gOMFF4RNmz58AKAv51uA

Shitbag Trash totally unjustly throws politician, executives under the bus to promote himself and cover up his incompetence. He’s not looking to lead the country, he’s looking at ways to promote himself. Loan liter/reality show host even wants to send out COVID flyers with Trump’s plan headers and checks negotiated by Pelosi and Schumer with just name in the bottom of the check.

This is why the Chinese have us by the balls, tbh... they can ramp up and down in a matter of a week or two, sometimes days, depending on the product. Sure, there's the cost aspect and the work conditions aspect, but that's the reality of the situation.

[picnroll]

A timeline of Trump lies

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-factcheck.html

[picnroll]

This is why the Chinese have us by the balls, tbh... they can ramp up and down in a matter of a week or two, sometimes days, depending on the product. Sure, there's the cost aspect and the work conditions aspect, but that's the reality of the situation.

They ran desperately short of ventilators and PPE as well in Wuhan. They were, however, able to rapidly build buildings for people to die in. Of course authorities their don’t value life as much as authorities in the US, apart from the Trump administration of course. Most state and local governments here do care apart from a few repug aberrations. In China it’s just how bad it gets before the authorities fear they might lose control.

[boutons_deux]

"Of course authorities their don’t value life as much as authorities in the US"

:lol WTF

BigFinance / Business sector are encouraging old people to sacrifice their lives for Capitalism so younger people can get back to work and risk disease and death themselves.

Capitalism has exposed itself as devaluing everything but wealth and power derived from amassing Capital.

It is a horrible, inhumane system that must be replaced, but it won't be, it's too powerful.

The waves of American "suicides of despair" by alcohol, drugs, guns, causing a decrease in white people longevity, are directly tied to people seeing no way to a commodious, secure life because Capitalists have suppressed Labor's revenue and hoarded $Ts in Capital.

Capitalism's cheap whores the Repugs have caused 15K deaths by not expanding Medicaid, and untold Ms suffering with untreated/undertreated disease.

America has absolutely no moral superiority to China

[hater]

They ran desperately short of ventilators and PPE as well in Wuhan. They were, however, able to rapidly build buildings for people to die in. Of course authorities their don’t value life as much as authorities in the US, apart from the Trump administration of course. Most state and local governments here do care apart from a few repug aberrations. In China it’s just how bad it gets before the authorities fear they might lose control.

there is zero evidence that US authorities value life more than Chinese authorities

[picnroll]

"Of course authorities their don’t value life as much as authorities in the US"

:lol WTF

BigFinance / Business sector are encouraging old people to sacrifice their lives for Capitalism so younger people can get back to work and risk disease and death themselves.

Capitalism has exposed itself as devaluing everything but wealth and power derived from amassing Capital.

It is a horrible, inhumane system that must be replaced, but it won't be, it's too powerful.

The waves of American "suicides of despair" by alcohol, drugs, guns, causing a decrease in white people longevity, are directly tied to people seeing no way to a commodious, secure life because Capitalists have suppressed Labor's revenue and hoarded $Ts in Capital.

Capitalism's cheap whores the Repugs have caused 15K deaths by not expanding Medicaid, and untold Ms suffering with untreated/undertreated disease.

America has absolutely no moral superiority to China

Many business leaders, for sure hedge fund managers, but state and local government for the most part are telling Trump and his back to work by Easter plans to fuck off. It was state and local leaders that led the effort while Trump just stood there making stupid counterproductive statements with his thumb up his ass.

[Pelicans78]

"Of course authorities their don’t value life as much as authorities in the US"

:lol WTF

BigFinance / Business sector are encouraging old people to sacrifice their lives for Capitalism so younger people can get back to work and risk disease and death themselves.

Capitalism has exposed itself as devaluing everything but wealth and power derived from amassing Capital.

It is a horrible, inhumane system that must be replaced, but it won't be, it's too powerful.

The waves of American "suicides of despair" by alcohol, drugs, guns, causing a decrease in white people longevity, are directly tied to people seeing no way to a commodious, secure life because Capitalists have suppressed Labor's revenue and hoarded $Ts in Capital.

Capitalism's cheap whores the Repugs have caused 15K deaths by not expanding Medicaid, and untold Ms suffering with untreated/undertreated disease.

America has absolutely no moral superiority to China

Yet the reason why this virus has spread is to due lack of action from bureaucrats at the highest level while you want to see a larger increase of bureaucrats.

[hater]

Many business leaders, for sure hedge fund managers, but state and local government for the most part are telling Trump and his back to work by Easter plans to fuck off. It was state and local leaders that led the effort while Trump just stood there making stupid counterproductive statements with his thumb up his ass.

you dont think state and local leaders are defying trump because of their own selfish purposes? like reelection? staying in power? pressure from constituents? because they hate trump and want to oppose him?

[hater]

Belarus is living life like nothijg happened

even having pro soccer matches

will keep watching this country to see how it fares maybe corona is a hoax after all

https://twitter.com/usatoday/status/1242130989511585793?s=21

[MannyIsGod]

Yet the reason why this virus has spread is to due lack of action from bureaucrats at the highest level while you want to see a larger increase of bureaucrats.

If you get in a car wreck because your brakes failed, do you think hey I don't need brakes and since one safety system failed lets also get rid of the airbag. No, right?

[hater]

:lol Belarus president is a real OG

“It’s better to die standing than to live on your knees,” he told local television on Saturday after a hockey game. “There are no viruses here (at the rink)... I don’t see them.”

[leemajors]

I have a shit ton of nitrile gloves, but I probably wouldn't waste them on the store.

Anyone ordering HEB or Wal-Mart curbside? I haven't yet, but heard HEB has their shit together on this.

Good luck finding a pickup time.

[Winehole23]

Good luck finding a pickup time.Two week wait list for curbside pickup at HEB last I checked, and that was last week. It's more convenient to go to the store, tbh.

[picnroll]

Pickup times for H-E-B at my location now are going out about 10 days. Once you reserve a spot you can add to your order with a limit on some items and on total order. You can set up multiple order times so I reserve a spot and then another for about 1 week later. Payments in line. Pull up, pop the trunk, good loaded and off you go.

[pgardn]

:lol Belarus president is a real OG

“It’s better to die standing than to live on your knees,” he told local television on Saturday after a hockey game. “There are no viruses here (at the rink)... I don’t see them.”

Yes.

Lets pretend the virus is not there.
Belarus did.
It’s a hoax.

Hater again proving his vacillating strategies will save the day.

”Called It”. muh nig...

[pgardn]

:lol Belarus president is a real OG

“It’s better to die standing than to live on your knees,” he told local television on Saturday after a hockey game. “There are no viruses here (at the rink)... I don’t see them.”

Yes.

Lets pretend the virus is not there.
Belarus did.
It’s a hoax.

Hater again proving his vacillating strategies will save the day.

”Called It”. muh nig...

[Nathan89]

there is zero evidence that US authorities value life more than Chinese authorities

Take a trip to their concentration camps.

[pgardn]

Take a trip to their concentration camps.

To Hater there is only overwhelming evidence that Assad is a great leader who has never gassed his people.

[hater]

Take a trip to their concentration camps.

take a trip through “liberated” Libya

[Winehole23]

Capitalism is the most efficent system of production/allocating goods.

Except when it isn't.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-ventilator-shortage.html

[DarrinS]

This site has cases by zip code for SA

https://www.sanantonio.gov/Health/News/Alerts/CoronaVirus

[DarrinS]

https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/photos-show-nyc-parks-still-bustling-during-global-pandemic

[Thread]

^I'd love to have information for Phoenix.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/normal_FL_guy/status/1244298554920833024?s=19
Time it as close to the November 2020 elections as possible too. :tu

[boutons_deux]

Trash's cult mob attacking the OBAMA :lol ebola guy after he TRASHED Trash on tv.

[boutons_deux]

the 15% tell the 85% to stay the fuck away

A plea from rural America:

Urban covid-19 refugees, please stay home

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/28/plea-rural-america-urban-covid-19-refugees-please-stay-home/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/28/plea-rural-america-urban-covid-19-refugees-please-stay-home/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most)

Is there any state blocking Americans from travelling?

[boutons_deux]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/782172/story_image/GOPcoronavirus915.png?1585041670

[Thread]

the 15% tell the 85% to stay the fuck away

A plea from rural America:

Urban covid-19 refugees, please stay home

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/28/plea-rural-america-urban-covid-19-refugees-please-stay-home/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/28/plea-rural-america-urban-covid-19-refugees-please-stay-home/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most)

Is there any state blocking Americans from travelling?




No. Rhode Island backed off after Cuomo threatened to sue them.

It's wide open...like MSM wants it.

[BSfromTX]

Capitalism is the most efficent system of production/allocating goods.

Except when it isn't.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-ventilator-shortage.html


Captalism died a long time ago in this country. Regulation, taxes, subsidies, central banking, soft martial law, you name it. I have a business and this is a huge blow.

We live with so many different diseases on a daily basis that are no different. This is just insane. If people are scare and wish to self quarantine, then they have that freedom. Force everyone? I’m sorry, but civil liberties trump a spreading URV.

when will everyone realize:

1. You can’t trust the federal govt (either side of the isle)
2. You can’t trust corporate media
3. Trump is a sell out just as Biden, just as Obama, just as the Bush’s, just as Clinton’s, etc
4. You can’t trust the WHO, CDC, or any other state controlled organization
5. OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES ARE ERODING AT AN EXPONENTIAL RATE

[DMC]

Capitalism is the most efficent system of production/allocating goods.

Except when it isn't.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-ventilator-shortage.html

Most of what a free society does isn't the most efficient way.

However, that story highlights a cookie cutter exploit where small companies will secure monies to produce a product, over-sell their capabilities in hopes of being swallowed up by a larger corporation looking for niche markets and then having the aforementioned product shit canned. I've seen it many times, been on both sides of it as well (as have many here no doubt).

[monosylab1k]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUKa_euX0AI81R0?format=jpg&name=large

[Bynumite]

Called it.

[Thread]

when will everyone realize:

1. You can’t trust the federal govt (either side of the isle)
2. You can’t trust corporate media
3. Trump is a sell out just as Biden, just as Obama, just as the Bush’s, just as Clinton’s, etc
4. You can’t trust the WHO, CDC, or any other state controlled organization
5. OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES ARE ERODING AT AN EXPONENTIAL RATE

Sad, but true.

[baseline bum]

Captalism died a long time ago in this country. Regulation, taxes, subsidies, central banking, soft martial law, you name it. I have a business and this is a huge blow.

We live with so many different diseases on a daily basis that are no different. This is just insane. If people are scare and wish to self quarantine, then they have that freedom. Force everyone? I’m sorry, but civil liberties trump a spreading URV.

when will everyone realize:

1. You can’t trust the federal govt (either side of the isle)
2. You can’t trust corporate media
3. Trump is a sell out just as Biden, just as Obama, just as the Bush’s, just as Clinton’s, etc
4. You can’t trust the WHO, CDC, or any other state controlled organization
5. OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES ARE ERODING AT AN EXPONENTIAL RATE

Um, it's a pandemic. Same kind of shit happened in 1918.

[boutons_deux]

bureaucrats at the highest level

Repug political hacks, not career professional bureaucrats

The professional, expert career bureaucrats, and govt scientists, who should have been preparing for and directing this crisis were shut out, shut up, purged by Trash and his Repug mafiya

eg, Fauci, who is now being slimed, slandered, attacked by the rightwing hate media and Trash's fucked up cult mob for contradicting Trash's LIES and BULLSHIT

Obama's former bureaucrat who managed the Ebola crisis is also being attacked, for the same reason

[ChumpDumper]

Outside Tampa....
1244306033708806144

[TSA]

Older males are way more likely to vote Republican, and Republicans are not taking as many precautions. It will spread more widely among such people. Conservative stupidity will be fatal.

Cold calculation. At this point, I am having a very hard time summoning empathy.


Hold my beer



https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/photos-show-nyc-parks-still-bustling-during-global-pandemic

[ChumpDumper]

DEMS!No judgment on the Florida church hours ago?

I didn't think so.:tu

[Blake]

Outside Tampa....
1244306033708806144

I count a pretty solid number of blue hairs in that audience

[ChumpDumper]

I count a pretty solid number of blue hairs in that audienceOBV NY DEMS

[Spurs Homer]

If anyone watched-
Fareed Zacharia’s interview with the prime minister of Singapore....


will see the difference between excellent competent leadership -

and the incompetent criminal lying piece of shit govt we now have in the USA.


Disgraceful.

[ElNono]

They ran desperately short of ventilators and PPE as well in Wuhan. They were, however, able to rapidly build buildings for people to die in. Of course authorities their don’t value life as much as authorities in the US, apart from the Trump administration of course. Most state and local governments here do care apart from a few repug aberrations. In China it’s just how bad it gets before the authorities fear they might lose control.

Some other people beat me to it, but the whole value of life argument is definitely debatable. Don't forget also they're 4x the size of our population. And right now they're already shipping out PPE and ventilators to other countries. Besides Italy, I know a few South American countries receiving Chinese ventilators and PPE.

[boutons_deux]

Good luck finding a pickup time.

I tried a 3 or 4 times this past week. HEB curbside slots were 10 days out, home delivery was a couple days shorter.

Walmart only schedules for today and tomorrow, also booked.

I had to go in person.

will get riskier as SA infections explode from 100+ to many 1000s.

wealthy 78209 is one zip with most infections.

[RandomGuy]

https://youtu.be/e0G63uzhFP4

[boutons_deux]

Coronavirus could kill 81,000 in U.S., subside in June

The number of hospitalized patients is expected to peak nationally by the second week of April, though the peak may come later in some states.

Some people could continue to die of the virus as late as July,

although deaths should be below epidemic levels of 10 per day by June at the latest

the number of U.S. deaths could vary widely, ranging from as low as around 38,000 to as high as around 162,000.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-forecast/coronavirus-could-kill-81000-in-u-s-subside-in-june-washington-university-analysis-idUSKBN21E00Z?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-forecast/coronavirus-could-kill-81000-in-u-s-subside-in-june-washington-university-analysis-idUSKBN21E00Z?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29)

[boutons_deux]

'This Is a Massive Scandal':

Trump FDA Grants Drug Company Exclusive Claim on Promising Coronavirus Drug

Food and Drug Administration granted Gilead Sciences "orphan" drug status for remdesivir,

Having secured orphan drug status, Gilead Sciences

can now profit exclusively off the drug for seven years and

could block manufacturers from developing generic versions of the drug which might be more accessible to many patients.

The company can set price controls on the drug as well as benefiting from grants and tax credits.

given to a company where Joe Grogan,

a member of President Donald Trump's "coronavirus task force,"

worked as a lobbyist from 2011 to 2017,

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/24/massive-scandal-trump-fda-grants-drug-company-exclusive-claim-promising-coronavirus?cd-origin=rss&utm_term=AO&utm_campaign=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_content=email&utm_source=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Email (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/24/massive-scandal-trump-fda-grants-drug-company-exclusive-claim-promising-coronavirus?cd-origin=rss&utm_term=AO&utm_campaign=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_content=email&utm_source=Weekly%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Email)

I expect Gilead will give a huge bonus to Grogan

[FkLA]

I tried a 3 or 4 times this past week. HEB curbside slots were 10 days out, home delivery was a couple days shorter.

Walmart only schedules for today and tomorrow, also booked.

I had to go in person.

will get riskier as SA infections explode from 100+ to many 1000s.

wealthy 78209 is one zip with most infections.

Even before the rona, you weren't getting curbside the same day unless you ordered first thing in the morning. It helps to look around at neighboring HEBs though. My local HEB had a 2 week wait when I looked about a week ago but the HEB by Lackland AFB was only a one week wait. Got my groceries yesterday. Toilet paper and ramen noodles were removed from my order but other than that got everything we need for the next two weeks, tbh.

[RandomGuy]

[demonstrates inability to tell the difference between data and anecdotes to score cheap points]

[mild amusement at continuing failures of reasoning]

[phxspurfan]

No. Rhode Island backed off after Cuomo threatened to sue them.

It's wide open...like MSM wants it.

Rhode Island is hardly 'rural America'

[TSA]

[mild amusement at continuing failures of reasoning]

You’re giddy at the thought of enough Republicans dying that it will swing the election towards Democrats. Meanwhile Democratic leaning cities cities are being hit the hardest and I don’t see a single Republican here getting excited about that. You’re a disgusting and pathetic human being.

[ChumpDumper]

You’re giddy at the thought of enough Republicans dying that it will swing the election towards Democrats. Meanwhile Democratic leaning cities cities are being hit the hardest and I don’t see a single Republican here getting excited about that. You’re a disgusting and pathetic human being.You're pretty gleeful in posting those "NY Dem" pics and articles.:tu

Still no comment on the same thing happening in the FL church?

Of course not.:tu

[RandomGuy]

You’re giddy at the thought of enough Republicans dying that it will swing the election towards Democrats. Meanwhile Democratic leaning cities cities are being hit the hardest and I don’t see a single Republican here getting excited about that. You’re a disgusting and pathetic human being.

No, actually i am not giddy at the thought of anyone dying. It is a tragedy. Yet another TSA lie.

I am not, however, going to waste too much emotional energy mourning for people whose cultish devotion to their information bubble put themselves and others at risk.

Also noticed your qualification. "republican here" wonder how hard I would have to look to find such sentiment? Guessing not very hard.

Democratic NYC is being hit first, and I would be willing to bet that since the Trump Death Cult is convinced that sacrificing nana to the stock market is the way to keep themselves in power, that will change over time.

Keep things open longer, don't take as many precautions, open up sooner after lockdowns, are all policies now favored by the Trump Death Cult, and each of those preferred policies will cause more spreading, and you know it.

[hater]

Some other people beat me to it, but the whole value of life argument is definitely debatable. Don't forget also they're 4x the size of our population. And right now they're already shipping out PPE and ventilators to other countries. Besides Italy, I know a few South American countries receiving Chinese ventilators and PPE.

:tu

[ChumpDumper]

No, actually i am not giddy at the thought of anyone dying. It is a tragedy. Yet another TSA lie.

I am not, however, going to waste too much emotional energy mourning for people whose cultish devotion to their information bubble put themselves and others at risk.

Also noticed your qualification. "republican here" wonder how hard I would have to look to find such sentiment? Guessing not very hard.

Democratic NYC is being hit first, and I would be willing to bet that since the Trump Death Cult is convinced that sacrificing nana to the stock market is the way to keep themselves in power, that will change over time.

Keep things open longer, don't take as many precautions, open up sooner after lockdowns, are all policies now favored by the Trump Death Cult, and each of those preferred policies will cause more spreading, and you know it.I posted pictures of dumbasses in Austin too.

Not giddy.

The church leaders are being especially irresponsible. Just like DiBlasio or Trump.

Leadership counts. If you can' t objectively conclude that Trump is shitty at it right now, you're either stupid or in denial for pathetic political reasons.

[boutons_deux]

They don't fucking care, they don't fucking think.

The script from Trash, BigFinance, BigBusiness is out, and the rightwingnutjob asshole sheeple read from it verbatim

[RandomGuy]

Democratic leaning cities cities are being hit the hardest

The coronavirus is starting to hit rural America hard—here’s a map of the counties most affected
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/29/coronavirus-heres-a-map-of-rural-counties-in-us-most-affected-by-pandemic.html

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106465758-158549352822020200329coronaviruscasesuscountiesper capita.png?v=1585493561&w=740&h=416

[shrugs]

Sure about that?

[midnightpulp]

It's a food for thought question to be answered later on. There's nothing to gain right now pointing fingers.



That's whataboutism, and really, I don't completely disagree, but it's not the road to introspection. Mistakes were made here and hopefully we learn from that.

Of course, but after this is over/subsidies, I don't want the discussion of how unprepared/complacent we were to deflect from the fact whose primary fault it is. It's like if someone robbed your house and you beat yourself up for not owning a gun while not casting blame/anger at the actual responsible party: the piece of shit who robbed your house. I'm not saying you're thinking like this, but I'm seeing a lot of "leave China alone!" making the rounds in comment sections and the like (probably their propaganda troll army putting in work). And mainstream Western media has been limp dicked in this regard, Fox News aside (who will be right for once).

This is the kind of excoriating I want to see from us (from a mainstream Indian news channel I stumbled into):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN08StvCWgU

[hater]

famous ppl in Us are starting to drop lie flies

Country singer, ABC broadcaster, CFO , etc

shits getting real

[Thread]

You’re giddy at the thought of enough Republicans dying that it will swing the election towards Democrats. Meanwhile Democratic leaning cities cities are being hit the hardest and I don’t see a single Republican here getting excited about that. You’re a disgusting and pathetic human being.

...& an insufferable sore head.

[midnightpulp]

:cry muh China trying to play the hero :cry


Spain sends back China's coronavirus testing kits after they fail to work

https://www.sify.com/news/spain-sends-back-chinas-coronavirus-testing-kits-after-they-fail-to-work--news-international-ud1hTfhefjffa.html

That's "Made in China" for you.

[ChumpDumper]

Of course, but after this is over/subsidies, I don't want the discussion of how unprepared/complacent we were to deflect from the fact whose primary fault it is. It's like if someone robbed your house and you beat yourself up for not owning a gun while not casting blame/anger at the actual responsible party: the piece of shit who robbed your house. I'm not saying you're thinking like this, but I'm seeing a lot of "leave China alone!" making the rounds in comment sections and the like (probably their propaganda troll army putting in work). And mainstream Western media has been limp dicked in this regard, Fox News aside (who will be right for once).

This is the kind of excoriating I want to see from us (from a mainstream Indian news channel I stumbled into):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN08StvCWgUAnd if China doesn't change?

[Thread]

Of course, but after this is over/subsidies, I don't want the discussion of how unprepared/complacent we were to deflect from the fact whose primary fault it is. It's like if someone robbed your house and you beat yourself up for not owning a gun while not casting blame/anger at the actual responsible party: the piece of shit who robbed your house. I'm not saying you're thinking like this, but I'm seeing a lot of "leave China alone!" making the rounds in comment sections and the like (probably their propaganda troll army putting in work). And mainstream Western media has been limp dicked in this regard, Fox News aside (who will be right for once).

This is the kind of excoriating I want to see from us (from a mainstream Indian news channel I stumbled into):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN08StvCWgU

& it's going to be oodles more difficult to sue (China) vs. Americans.

[midnightpulp]

Some other people beat me to it, but the whole value of life argument is definitely debatable. Don't forget also they're 4x the size of our population. And right now they're already shipping out PPE and ventilators to other countries. Besides Italy, I know a few South American countries receiving Chinese ventilators and PPE.

PR move. And they're charging for them. Not giving them to afflicted countries out of the goodness of their hearts.

[hater]

PR move. And they're charging for them. Not giving them to afflicted countries out of the goodness of their hearts.

wake me up when US starts selling ventilators to other countries

[midnightpulp]

And if China doesn't change?

They won't because the world is too reliant upon them. The world could in theory threaten to cut off trade with them until they agree to become a transparent democracy, but again, won't happen because multinational corporations put profits before integrity. And the proverbial "consumer" will keep lapping up the cheap shit that comes from their factories.

[midnightpulp]

wake me up when US starts selling ventilators to other countries

:madrun: leave China alone :madrun:

[ChumpDumper]

They won't because the world is too reliant upon them. The world could in theory threaten to cut off trade with them until they agree to become a transparent democracy, but again, won't happen because multinational corporations put profits before integrity. And the proverbial "consumer" will keep lapping up the cheap shit that comes from their factories.Then it's up to us to do things and not worry about China.

[hater]

detroit could become US ground zero in 2 weeks

[hater]

Then it's up to us to do things and not worry about China.

:tu

americans always like to blame someone else when we should have been more prepared and should face the storm head on

not sure why so many americans like to bitch and moan

its pityful

[MannyIsGod]

Rural America is definitely going to be impacted less. The amount of people you can infect in NYC is just way more than in the middle of Nebraska. That being, said, rural america is older and has far less hospital capacity and will feel plenty of pain from this going forward.

[ElNono]

Of course, but after this is over/subsidies, I don't want the discussion of how unprepared/complacent we were to deflect from the fact whose primary fault it is. It's like if someone robbed your house and you beat yourself up for not owning a gun while not casting blame/anger at the actual responsible party: the piece of shit who robbed your house. I'm not saying you're thinking like this, but I'm seeing a lot of "leave China alone!" making the rounds in comment sections and the like (probably their propaganda troll army putting in work). And mainstream Western media has been limp dicked in this regard, Fox News aside (who will be right for once).

I don't think we should leave them alone or blameless, there's just a time and a place for it. You said it yourself with your thread about what to do with them AFTER the pandemic is over.

I also don't think it's fair to just use them as a scapegoat for clear structural and leadership problems we had handling this pandemic.

[midnightpulp]

Then it's up to us to do things and not worry about China.

Let's hope we can do it. But do we have the willpower to take the convenience hit for a while until we rebuild manufacturing? Will people have the discipline to mass boycott made in China products (I know it's unrealistic to boycott ALL Chinese made goods, but people refusing to buy the new iPhone or some other non-essential electronic gizmo every 6 months will sting)? Will we call on our government and corporations to actually bring manufacturing home and not just pay lip service to it?

[ElNono]

PR move. And they're charging for them. Not giving them to afflicted countries out of the goodness of their hearts.

Sure, but we were discussing ramping up and down production, and how they can ramp up much quicker than we (or any other country really) can.

[ElNono]

Rural America is definitely going to be impacted less. The amount of people you can infect in NYC is just way more than in the middle of Nebraska. That being, said, rural america is older and has far less hospital capacity and will feel plenty of pain from this going forward.

Yeah, I agree with the later part of your statement. It might be less infected, but you could have much better odds of collapse there, and thus more deaths.

The ideal scenario is cities like NY are over the problem by the time it hits some rural towns and resources can be shifted.

[midnightpulp]

I don't think we should leave them alone or blameless, there's just a time and a place for it. You said it yourself with your thread about what to do with them AFTER the pandemic is over.

I also don't think it's fair to just use them as a scapegoat for clear structural and leadership problems we had handling this pandemic.

A scapegoat is someone who isn't really to blame but is created (usually by a twisting of the facts) in order for people to have something to blame because it makes them feel better. China is 100 percent to blame. Again, I would not "blame you" for not owning a gun if a thief came and robbed you. I would blame the thief.

[ChumpDumper]

Let's hope we can do it. But do we have the willpower to take the convenience hit for a while until we rebuild manufacturing? Will people have the discipline to mass boycott made in China products (I know it's unrealistic to boycott ALL Chinese made goods, but people refusing to buy the new iPhone or some other non-essential electronic gizmo every 6 months will sting)? Will we call on our government and corporations to actually bring manufacturing home and not just pay lip service to it?To what end? Put pressure on China to do things it won't do anyway?

Seems like we're just looping back around for the most part.

[midnightpulp]

Sure, but we were discussing ramping up and down production, and how they can ramp up much quicker than we (or any other country really) can.

Because we no longer have a manufacturing base here. Maybe this will wake us up and we'll just have to deal with paying a little bit more for stuff.

[Reck]

España getting kicked while down.

Reported an additional 100 deaths on top of the 800 they dumped this morning.

[TSA]

The coronavirus is starting to hit rural America hard—here’s a map of the counties most affected
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/29/coronavirus-heres-a-map-of-rural-counties-in-us-most-affected-by-pandemic.html

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106465758-158549352822020200329coronaviruscasesuscountiesper capita.png?v=1585493561&w=740&h=416

[shrugs]

Sure about that?

Counties highlighted in your article

Gunnison County, Colorado Hillary +19

Summit County, Utah Hillary +15

Blaine County. Idaho Hillary +29

:rollin

[midnightpulp]

To what end? Put pressure on China to do things it won't do anyway?

Seems like we're just looping back around for the most part.

To not be reliant on them. The ultimatum is either: Reform your government and we'll keep on as business as usual. Or American (and European) corporations will shutter all those factories and move them domestic or to other developing countries that are growing their manufacturing base (China isn't the only player in the manufacturing game anymore).

[ElNono]

A scapegoat is someone who isn't really to blame but is created (usually by a twisting of the facts) in order for people to have something to blame because it makes them feel better. China is 100 percent to blame. Again, I would not "blame you" for not owning a gun if a thief came and robbed you. I would blame the thief.

I didn't say China is blameless, and even if we were to agree that it's 90% their fault our response was botched, you have to look at the other 10% and assume your responsibility.

We were not ready. Our healthcare stockpiles, state and federal, were depleted. We lacked leadership at a time of crisis. The CDC and FDA were slow to react. Leadership didn't take this seriously enough until it was too late.Our healthcare system continues to debate between money and lives, even during a pandemic.

All those things you can't put on the Chinese, they're introspection issues that we have to address ourselves. Not now, after the shitshow is over.

[hater]

Let's hope we can do it. But do we have the willpower to take the convenience hit for a while until we rebuild manufacturing? Will people have the discipline to mass boycott made in China products (I know it's unrealistic to boycott ALL Chinese made goods, but people refusing to buy the new iPhone or some other non-essential electronic gizmo every 6 months will sting)? Will we call on our government and corporations to actually bring manufacturing home and not just pay lip service to it?

:lmao nobody is boycotting shit nig :lol

we probably gonna order more shit from china now

[TSA]

No, actually i am not giddy at the thought of anyone dying. It is a tragedy. Yet another TSA lie.

I am not, however, going to waste too much emotional energy mourning for people whose cultish devotion to their information bubble put themselves and others at risk.

Also noticed your qualification. "republican here" wonder how hard I would have to look to find such sentiment? Guessing not very hard.

Democratic NYC is being hit first, and I would be willing to bet that since the Trump Death Cult is convinced that sacrificing nana to the stock market is the way to keep themselves in power, that will change over time.

Keep things open longer, don't take as many precautions, open up sooner after lockdowns, are all policies now favored by the Trump Death Cult, and each of those preferred policies will cause more spreading, and you know it.

So then you won’t be wasting too much emotional energy mourning for the people of NYC.

[ElNono]

Because we no longer have a manufacturing base here. Maybe this will wake us up and we'll just have to deal with paying a little bit more for stuff.

The problem is that it's not a little more. It's a lot more for products that take way longer to get to market. GE is now saying 1000 ventilators by the end of April. And they do want top dollar.

We simply can't put people to work here on 12 hour shifts, we really can't compete. Companies will shift to Vietnam or Honduras or 100 other countries before here.

[Blake]

The coronavirus is starting to hit rural America hard—here’s a map of the counties most affected
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/29/coronavirus-heres-a-map-of-rural-counties-in-us-most-affected-by-pandemic.html

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106465758-158549352822020200329coronaviruscasesuscountiesper capita.png?v=1585493561&w=740&h=416

[shrugs]

Sure about that?

How is Las Vegas so low

[ElNono]

How is Las Vegas so low

Maybe hookers and blow are an antidote? Would explain why POTUS didn't get it.

[Splits]

Maybe hookers and blow are an antidote? Would explain why POTUS didn't get it.

btAbU1sPqIM

[Blake]

Maybe hookers and blow are an antidote? Would explain why POTUS didn't get it.

The other diseases attacking the covid sounds just as plausible as anything else at this point

[monosylab1k]

Maybe hookers and blow are an antidote? Would explain why POTUS didn't get it.

koriwhat loading up another pipe in celebration of this discovery.

[midnightpulp]

I didn't say China is blameless, and even if we were to agree that it's 90% their fault our response was botched, you have to look at the other 10% and assume your responsibility.

We were not ready. Our healthcare stockpiles, state and federal, were depleted. We lacked leadership at a time of crisis. The CDC and FDA were slow to react. Leadership didn't take this seriously enough until it was too late.Our healthcare system continues to debate between money and lives, even during a pandemic.

All those things you can't put on the Chinese, they're introspection issues that we have to address ourselves. Not now, after the shitshow is over.

And I've said many times I hope this results in us building a healthcare and pandemic response infrastructure to ensure this never happens again. But my gripe is the "Blame Trump" (and I do blame him for his botches) mentality is taking away attention from the actual culprit. And I fear the Western MSM will be so frothing at the mouth to blame Trump when this starts to settle down, China will emerge from this with their image unscathed, at least among the left. Vox leans Left, and has been taking aim at China's underhandedness, so there's hope.

[ElNono]

And I've said many times I hope this results in us building a healthcare and pandemic response infrastructure to ensure this never happens again. But my gripe is the "Blame Trump" (and I do blame him for his botches) mentality is taking away attention from the actual culprit. And I fear the Western MSM will be so frothing at the mouth to blame Trump when this starts to settle down, China will emerge from this with their image unscathed, at least among the left. Vox leans Left, and has been taking aim at China's underhandedness, so there's hope.

I think it's fair to say China has the bulk of the blame, I just don't want Cuomo to point to them because he didn't kept his stockpile of ventilators up to date. Same for California. Same for the federal government.

Some of those people might still come on the positive side of the balance when all of this is said and done, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't learn from this, and, as you said, be more prepared.

[boutons_deux]

How is Las Vegas so low

lack of tests, even reporting of test results, means that graph is at best just a guess.

[midnightpulp]

The problem is that it's not a little more. It's a lot more for products that take way longer to get to market. GE is now saying 1000 ventilators by the end of April. And they do want top dollar.

We simply can't put people to work here on 12 hour shifts, we really can't compete. Companies will shift to Vietnam or Honduras or 100 other countries before here.

Then maybe we need to rethink our consumption habits? I'm not trying to preach, but I've been living off quality used goods and "outdated" (still running an i5 from 2011) electronics for probably a decade. I was once a "techie," but so many of these modern electronic devices are just shallow iterations of what we already have with a couple more bells and whistles.

I've seen the argument that the poor/lower middle class benefit the most from this "cheap Chinese good" dynamic and it raises their spending power. But guess what? Most of the things that demographic actually needs (household appliances like washers and driers, stoves, refrigerators, beds, cribs, etc) can be bought used for far cheaper and will usually be better quality.

[ElNono]

Then maybe we need to rethink our consumption habits? I'm not trying to preach, but I've been living off quality used goods and "outdated" (still running an i5 from 2011) electronics for probably a decade. I was once a "techie," but so many of these modern electronic devices are just shallow iterations of what we already have with a couple more bells and whistles.

I've seen the argument that the poor/lower middle class benefit the most from this "cheap Chinese good" dynamic and it raises their spending power. But guess what? Most of the things that demographic actually needs (household appliances like washers and driers, stoves, refrigerators, beds, cribs, etc) can be bought used for far cheaper and will usually be better quality.

Sorry, this isn't happening, IMO. It's not so much about what we do, but what companies do, and they'll always go for the cheapest, best ROI, period. Bottom line trumps everything. Just look at the continued fight of corps against the right to repair.

I mean, at least, I don't see it.

[MannyIsGod]

Another thing to think re Rural counties is also that deaths and cases there will be severely under reported. Many people won't seek care in those locations and deaths will be chalked up to something else.

Deaths every where are really likely to under counted, actually

[midnightpulp]

Sorry, this isn't happening, IMO. It's not so much about what we do, but what companies do, and they'll always go for the cheapest, best ROI, period. Bottom line trumps everything. Just look at the continued fight of corps against the right to repair.

I mean, at least, I don't see it.

How isn't about what we do? If we don't buy their stuff, they either have to change their business model or fold. If Americans vow to only buy from firms that manufacturer domestically or just anywhere BUT China, this will put pressure on those companies.

And I'm taking aim at all sides here. I see the "yeehaw, we done need to stop dealin' with them Chineee and make Murrican stuff again!" from the proverbial Cletus, while he's pushing a cart full of cheap Chinese crap out of the local Walmart. "You believe it, Billy Ray. Got this here 4K teee veee for 200 smackers!"

Maybe we're just too addicted to "stuff," eh?

[ElNono]

How isn't about what we do? If we don't buy their stuff, they either have to change their business model or fold. If Americans vow to only buy from firms that manufacturer domestically or just anywhere BUT China, this will put pressure on those companies.

And I'm taking aim at all sides here. I see the "yeehaw, we done need to stop dealin' with them Chineee and make Murrican stuff again!" from the proverbial Cletus, while he's pushing a cart full of cheap Chinese crap out of the local Walmart. "You believe it, Billy Ray. Got this here 4K teee veee for 200 smackers!"

Maybe we're just too addicted to "stuff," eh?

Americans don't even know what they buy. How many people actually look at a label? They go to Target or Walmart, see a T-Shirt with the Walmart brand and buy.

Go to Amazon, and you can't even see a label. You just grab what's available.

We've tried this so many times, tbh... lots of "Made in USA" claims, when you start digging, only 1% of the components are made in USA. It's just really a money issue here.

[hater]

walmart family will make sure China is well fed tbqh

american billionaires will be first yo bow down to china

american consumers just want latest iphone and vibrator

they dont give a fuck the here is made

[ChumpDumper]

Counties highlighted in your article

Gunnison County, Colorado Hillary +19

Summit County, Utah Hillary +15

Blaine County. Idaho Hillary +29

:rollinYou're expressing glee, TSA.

Try not to be so gleeful, okay?

[ChumpDumper]

To not be reliant on them. The ultimatum is either: Reform your government and we'll keep on as business as usual. Or American (and European) corporations will shutter all those factories and move them domestic or to other developing countries that are growing their manufacturing base (China isn't the only player in the manufacturing game anymore).I don't think our governments really have that power tbh.

[ElNono]

Trish Regan Out at Fox Business

Trish Regan has exited Fox Business Network, Fox confirmed Friday.

Regan said she was leaving to spend more time with her family during the current crisis, but the exit comes only a couple weeks after she got blowback for saying coronavirus concerns were a "scam" propagated by foes of President Trump.

https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/trish-regan-out-fox-business

[boutons_deux]

Florida residents pack into megachurch after pastor promises he can cure coronavirus

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Screen-Shot-2020-03-29-at-5.15.03-PM.png

The River Church in Tampa was packed with people looking for hope,

Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/christian-responses-to-covid-19-raise-old-religion-v-science-questions/) has

denounced the social distancing claiming that he can cure the coronavirus

just like he did with the Zika virus (which still exists).

“We are not stopping anything.

I’ve got news for you, this church will never close.

The only time the church will close is when the Rapture is taking place,” :lol Bible humpers! :lol

“We brought in 13 machines that basically kill every virus in the place, and uh,

if somebody walks through the door it’s like, it kills everything on them.

If they sneeze, it shoots it down at like 100 mph.

It’ll neutralize it in split seconds.

We have the most sterile building in, I don’t know, all of America,”

cleanliness of the church does not impact someone coming into the church and spreading the disease from person to person,

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/florida-residents-pack-into-megachurch-after-pastor-promises-he-can-cure-coronavirus/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/florida-residents-pack-into-megachurch-after-pastor-promises-he-can-cure-coronavirus/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[DarrinS]

Skip to around 9:50


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFnSmcfKWQo

[ChumpDumper]

Trish Regan Out at Fox Business

Trish Regan has exited Fox Business Network, Fox confirmed Friday.

Regan said she was leaving to spend more time with her family during the current crisis, but the exit comes only a couple weeks after she got blowback for saying coronavirus concerns were a "scam" propagated by foes of President Trump.

https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/trish-regan-out-fox-business:lol just about everyone is taping from home. How could you not be spending time with family?

[Reck]

Darrin on the hope kick still.

Meanwhile people keep dying and what's beginning to look like a trend now is that relatively young people are dying from this more often now.

1244325487415083008

Yesterday a 33 year old die and today it was reported first infant died from Coronoavirus.

[spurraider21]

And I've said many times I hope this results in us building a healthcare and pandemic response infrastructure to ensure this never happens again. But my gripe is the "Blame Trump" (and I do blame him for his botches) mentality is taking away attention from the actual culprit. And I fear the Western MSM will be so frothing at the mouth to blame Trump when this starts to settle down, China will emerge from this with their image unscathed, at least among the left. Vox leans Left, and has been taking aim at China's underhandedness, so there's hope.
We have more control over trump (election) than China. It makes sense to focus efforts on what you can control. Crying about China, the original culprit, isn’t doing anything right now

[Thread]

Darrin on the hope kick still.

Meanwhile people keep dying and what's beginning to look like a trend now is that relatively young people are dying from this more often now.

1244325487415083008

Yesterday a 33 year old die and today it was reported first infant died from Coronoavirus.

Because they wouldn't shelter in place until they'd had their fill. Then at their discretion they sheltered, not in place, but, round-a-bout. Then, lo & behold symptoms surfaced & panic set it IMMEDIATELY. "Oh, God, I'll do anything, God, please, God, don't let it be Corona, God."

It's human, we've all been there. We've all done (the God thing). Me? Twice.

[Thread]

We have more control over trump (election) than China. It makes sense to focus efforts on what you can control. Crying about China, the original culprit, isn’t doing anything right now

& Media won't ever let (us) get close enough to China. The kicker like I said is (there is no boodle at the end of China) like there'd be if this were OUR fault. I mean the lawyers will still set up a Corona shop like they did for Mesothelioma, even bigger, but, the payday won't be there, the checks not as fat and boundless.

[slick'81]

https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/photos-show-nyc-parks-still-bustling-during-global-pandemic


Anymore positive math for us d ?

[Blake]

It's human, we've all been there. We've all done (the God thing). Me? Twice.

Zeus will send you to Hades though for not believing in him

[slick'81]

Darrin on the hope kick still.

Meanwhile people keep dying and what's beginning to look like a trend now is that relatively young people are dying from this more often now.

1244325487415083008

Yesterday a 33 year old die and today it was reported first infant died from Coronoavirus.

if dr. Fauci's prediction of over 100,000 dead is right ....then its not just the old thats gonna be dying

[FkLA]

Darrin on the hope kick still.

Meanwhile people keep dying and what's beginning to look like a trend now is that relatively young people are dying from this more often now.

1244325487415083008

Yesterday a 33 year old die and today it was reported first infant died from Coronoavirus.

I read she had battled cancer before. Healthy, young people can still perish from this but it is still really rare.


if dr. Fauci's prediction of over 100,000 dead is right ....then its not just the old thats gonna be dying

That's just the media being sensationalist. Fauci literally said it wasn't a prediction and to not hold him to it because it's hard to project on a moving target. And yet CNN runs that as their headline smh.

[picnroll]

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said the rate of hospitalization in the state is slowing even as confirmed coronavirus cases continue to mount every day.

That’s the key indicator imo. Good news for NYC if it holds up.

[Winehole23]

Americans don't even know what they buy. How many people actually look at a label? They go to Target or Walmart, see a T-Shirt with the Walmart brand and buy.

Go to Amazon, and you can't even see a label. You just grab what's available.

We've tried this so many times, tbh... lots of "Made in USA" claims, when you start digging, only 1% of the components are made in USA. It's just really a money issue here.I was going to say that the globalism genie can't be stuffed back in the lamp, that the kind of autarky MP is talking about is unlikely and completely untenable, but then something occurred to me.

If COVID-19 comes back for seconds and thirds like the 1918 flu, and if the financial system collapses a la 1929 (debt deflation spiral) the recession will be a long one, resulting in real scarcity in the global north. Pestilence will be a hindrance to international commerce and a spur to isolation; poverty in several countries will lead to social unrest and external enemies will be blamed to take the heat off politicians at home.

At the risk of sounding like hater, in that highly speculative situation -- not the present one -- global war might be the only tenable path to faster economic development (and relative industrial self-sufficiency) while relieving internal unrest in many countries at once.

I don't think this is a likely scenario, just trying to think of how the US might decouple from international finance and global supply chains at the same time.

Synchronized pestilence, global depression and WWIII might do the trick.

[slick'81]

I read she had battled cancer before. Healthy, young people can still perish from this but it is still really rare.



That's just the media being sensationalist. Fauci literally said it wasn't a prediction and to not hold him to it because it's hard to project on a moving target. And yet CNN runs that as their headline smh.



Tru he did say 100-100,000 so theres some def leeway

[Blake]

"domestic cat in Belgium has been infected with COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus that's spreading across the globe, the government's FPS Public Health, Food Chain Safety and Environment announced March 27, according to news reports.

This is the first human-to-cat transmission of the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2). About a week after its owner got sick with COVID-19, after returning from a trip to Northern Italy, the cat developed coronavirus symptoms: diarrhea, vomiting and respiratory issues, Steven Van Gucht, virologist and federal spokesperson for the coronavirus epidemic in Belgium, told Live Science.

The owner sent samples of vomit and feces to Dr. Daniel Desmecht's lab at the Faculty of Veterinary Medicine of Liège. Genetic tests showed high levels of SARS-CoV-2 in those samples, he said. "The cat recovered after 9 days," Van Gucht said.

Related: 13 Coronavirus myths busted by science

Cats and humans appear to have a similar "doorknob" on the surfaces of respiratory cells that lets the SARS-CoV-2 virus get inside, according to Van Gucht.

In humans, scientists have figured out that the SARS-CoV-2 virus attaches to a receptor protein called ACE2 that's on the outside of respiratory cells. Once inside of these cells, the virus hijacks certain machinery so it can replicate.

"The feline ACE2 protein resembles the human ACE2 homologue, which is most likely the cellular receptor which is being used by Sars-CoV-2 for cell entry," Van Gucht said.

During the 2003 SARS outbreak, cats were infected with a coronavirus as well, Van Gucht said.

The only other pets thought to have "caught" the novel coronavirus from owners were two dogs in Hong Kong. ...."

https://www.livescience.com/cat-infected-covid-19-from-owner.html

[slick'81]

"domestic cat in Belgium has been infected with COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus that's spreading across the globe, the government's FPS Public Health, Food Chain Safety and Environment announced March 27, according to news reports.

This is the first human-to-cat transmission of the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2). About a week after its owner got sick with COVID-19, after returning from a trip to Northern Italy, the cat developed coronavirus symptoms: diarrhea, vomiting and respiratory issues, Steven Van Gucht, virologist and federal spokesperson for the coronavirus epidemic in Belgium, told Live Science.

The owner sent samples of vomit and feces to Dr. Daniel Desmecht's lab at the Faculty of Veterinary Medicine of Liège. Genetic tests showed high levels of SARS-CoV-2 in those samples, he said. "The cat recovered after 9 days," Van Gucht said.

Related: 13 Coronavirus myths busted by science

Cats and humans appear to have a similar "doorknob" on the surfaces of respiratory cells that lets the SARS-CoV-2 virus get inside, according to Van Gucht.

In humans, scientists have figured out that the SARS-CoV-2 virus attaches to a receptor protein called ACE2 that's on the outside of respiratory cells. Once inside of these cells, the virus hijacks certain machinery so it can replicate.

"The feline ACE2 protein resembles the human ACE2 homologue, which is most likely the cellular receptor which is being used by Sars-CoV-2 for cell entry," Van Gucht said.

During the 2003 SARS outbreak, cats were infected with a coronavirus as well, Van Gucht said.

The only other pets thought to have "caught" the novel coronavirus from owners were two dogs in Hong Kong. ...."

https://www.livescience.com/cat-infected-covid-19-from-owner.html


That is some xfiles shit right there

[hater]

Russia says 40% of their ventilator cases are ppl under 40 yrs old

either the “this is an old ppl disease” is fake news or this thing is mutating

[ChumpDumper]

Russia says 40% of their ventilator cases are ppl under 40 yrs old

either the “this is an old ppl disease” is fake news or this thing is mutatingWhere does Russia say that?

[hater]

Where does Russia say that?

Russian interfax

google translate is your friend

https://www.interfax.ru/moscow/701442

[ChumpDumper]

Russian interfaxLink?

Damn. Joe Diffie gone. John Prine critical.

[slick'81]

Russia says 40% of their ventilator cases are ppl under 40 yrs old

either the “this is an old ppl disease” is fake news or this thing is mutating

not sure about mutating but only "older are greatly impacted" is def overstated

[MannyIsGod]

Russia says 40% of their ventilator cases are ppl under 40 yrs old

either the “this is an old ppl disease” is fake news or this thing is mutating

Pretty sure the CDC said that last week.

[hater]

Moscow. March 29. INTERFAX.RU - About 15% of severely ill patients with coronavirus in Moscow are younger than 40 years old, the operational headquarters for monitoring and monitoring the situation with coronavirus in Moscow reported.

According to the agency's interlocutor, almost 40% of patients with coronavirus in Moscow who are on mechanical ventilation are younger than 40 years old.

"Statistics show that the disease is severe not only in elderly Muscovites. Almost half of patients with severe lung damage are people under 60 years old, their share in the total number of severe patients is 45%," headquarters told Interfax.

[ChumpDumper]

Moscow. March 29. INTERFAX.RU - About 15% of severely ill patients with coronavirus in Moscow are younger than 40 years old, the operational headquarters for monitoring and monitoring the situation with coronavirus in Moscow reported.

According to the agency's interlocutor, almost 40% of patients with coronavirus in Moscow who are on mechanical ventilation are younger than 40 years old.

"Statistics show that the disease is severe not only in elderly Muscovites. Almost half of patients with severe lung damage are people under 60 years old, their share in the total number of severe patients is 45%," headquarters told Interfax.Thanks. I hate when they switch groups like that (under 40 to under 60).

[hater]

Thanks. I hate when they switch groups like that (under 40 to under 60).

i have a feeling affected age is trending down

been watching this for a while

2nd wave could put a hurting on youth

why? I think because virus will adapt to stronger young immune system and trick it to give it all its got. the young persons immune system will trigger that internal storm that kills its host

lets hope this is not the case

[Reck]

That's just the media being sensationalist. Fauci literally said it wasn't a prediction and to not hold him to it because it's hard to project on a moving target. And yet CNN runs that as their headline smh.


While it's true he said not to hold me to that he did say we'll be more in the middle because the model is set up in such a way to give worst case scenario and worst case scenarios never really materialize.

Being in the middle is not exactly something you'd want to hear either.

[hater]

facci would not have said 100,000 if that was a long shot

worst case scenario is a couple millions

[ElNono]

I was going to say that the globalism genie can't be stuffed back in the lamp, that the kind of autarky MP is talking about is unlikely and completely untenable, but then something occurred to me.

If COVID-19 comes back for seconds and thirds like the 1918 flu, and if the financial system collapses a la 1929 (debt deflation spiral) the recession will be a long one, resulting in real scarcity in the global north. Pestilence will be a hindrance to international commerce and a spur to isolation; poverty in several countries will lead to social unrest and external enemies will be blamed to take the heat off politicians at home.

At the risk of sounding like hater, in that highly speculative situation -- not the present one -- global war might be the only tenable path to faster economic development (and relative industrial self-sufficiency) while relieving internal unrest in many countries at once.

I don't think this is a likely scenario, just trying to think of how the US might decouple from international finance and global supply chains at the same time.

Synchronized pestilence, global depression and WWIII might do the trick.

I agree it would require an re-alignment of world power. I'm not sold it's going to happen anytime soon. We're much different as a society and world as we were back then.

Also, changing of the guard doesn't necessarily mean better than what we have.

[MannyIsGod]

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The outbreaks are all starting to pop now.

I'm amazed at how poor the data is. I get that health professionals are busy, but the states should all have EM professions and data professionals that can step in on the function of delivering data that actually produces clear analysis.

[Winehole23]

I agree it would require an re-alignment of world power. I'm not sold it's going to happen anytime soon. We're much different as a society and world as we were back then.

Also, changing of the guard doesn't necessarily mean better than what we have.Change is amoral, like economics. Cares nothing for people.

Short of total annihilation things can always get worse.

[slick'81]

facci would not have said 100,000 if that was a long shot

worst case scenario is a couple millions


At this current rate a few million infected and 100,000 dead isnt a stretch

[ElNono]

Change is amoral, like economics. Cares nothing for people.

Short of total annihilation things can always get worse.

If we keep bailing out the status quo, we deserve everything we get.

[Nathan89]

Russia says 40% of their ventilator cases are ppl under 40 yrs old

either the “this is an old ppl disease” is fake news or this thing is mutating

It could be other things besides your "either or".

[picnroll]

To what end? Put pressure on China to do things it won't do anyway?

Seems like we're just looping back around for the most part.

This shit show is going to cost the world a fortune and it’s because Asian countries, primarily China, didn’t clean up their wet markets. If the worlds governments are stupid enough to endure this disaster and not do anything to prevent the next one, like put tariff on countries out their wazoos if they don’t clean up their shit, then they deserve to get hit with the next panepedemic that kills their people and destroys their economies.

[Nathan89]

facci would not have said 100,000 if that was a long shot

worst case scenario is a couple millions

100k is one of the best case scenarios imo

[FkLA]

"If we don't mitigate to the extent we're trying to, you can reach those numbers. You can make a big soundbite about it but what we're trying to do is not let that happen. So instead of focusing on the upper or the lower we're trying to focus on pushing it all the way down. Trying to not prematurely undo all the mitigation. " - Fauci


"Dr. Fauci stands by 100,000 death predictions." - CNN

[slick'81]

Usa ,meet corona virus

[ElNono]

"If we don't mitigate to the extent we're trying to, you can reach those numbers. You can make a big soundbite about it but what we're trying to do is not let that happen. So instead of focusing on the upper or the lower we're trying to focus on pushing it all the way down. Trying to not prematurely undo all the mitigation. " - Fauci

"Dr. Fauci stands by 100,000 death predictions." - CNN

USA today is running with 200,000... because, why not?

[ChumpDumper]

This shit show is going to cost the world a fortune and it’s because Asian countries, primarily China, didn’t clean up their wet markets. If the worlds governments are stupid enough to endure this disaster and not do anything to prevent the next one, like put tariff on countries out their wazoos if they don’t clean up their shit, then they deserve to get hit with the next panepedemic that kills their people and destroys their economies.I hope Americans feel that kind of righteous zeal when it comes to the failings of our own governments. They are much easier to change.

[FkLA]

Social distancing guidelines extended until April 30th though so it's possible the great Dr. Fauci purposely threw those numbers out there, not to instill fear, but to drive home the seriousness of what loosening up on the mitigation could cause.

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This shit show is going to cost the world a fortune and it’s because Asian countries, primarily China, didn’t clean up their wet markets. If the worlds governments are stupid enough to endure this disaster and not do anything to prevent the next one, like put tariff on countries out their wazoos if they don’t clean up their shit, then they deserve to get hit with the next panepedemic that kills their people and destroys their economies.

picky

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Social distancing guidelines extended until April 30th though so it's possible the great Dr. Fauci purposely threw those numbers out there, not to instill fear, but to drive home the seriousness of what loosening up on the mitigation could cause.

+ to get the kids off the Florida & California beaches.

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I hope Americans feel that kind of righteous zeal when it comes to the failings of our own governments. They are much easier to change.

I don't know about that, Dumps. Cuomo has turned his death house into a Presidential run, Biden & Sanders withstanding.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know about that, Dumps. Cuomo has turned his death house into a Presidential run, Biden & Sanders withstanding.President Cuomo would prove my point.

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President Cuomo would prove my point.

Thank you.

[MannyIsGod]

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They still won't come off the beaches!

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/TruthAbtChina/status/1244240551622238208?s=20

Just for those that like to praise China.

[MannyIsGod]

USA today is running with 200,000... because, why not?

I know its double of 100k but hoenstly its the same order of magnitude so I don't see them as scientifically that different in this context and I really don't think the American public does either.

[DarrinS]

If you can avoid picking your nose and touching your eyeballs, you probably won't get this mofucka.

[MannyIsGod]

Social distancing guidelines extended until April 30th though so it's possible the great Dr. Fauci purposely threw those numbers out there, not to instill fear, but to drive home the seriousness of what loosening up on the mitigation could cause.

100%. Those numbers are realistic even with current measures in place so imagine what they would be without.

People keep focusing on the peak, but the distribution for these events has a long tail as well. Its not over when we get to the peak by any stretch.

[MannyIsGod]

They still won't come off the beaches!

Fucking insane tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

They still won't come off the beaches!Or quit gathering in megachurches.

[slick'81]

If you can avoid picking your nose and touching your eyeballs, you probably won't get this mofucka.


Thanks d!

[MannyIsGod]

Or quit gathering in megachurches.

Or religious colleges tbh.

[DarrinS]

Or quit gathering in megachurches.

There's a big Mormon church down the road from me. Completely empty, thankfully.

[slick'81]

100%. Those numbers are realistic even with current measures in place so imagine what they would be without.

People keep focusing on the peak, but the distribution for these events has a long tail as well. Its not over when we get to the peak by any stretch.


Exactly! Thats also assuming people are taking social distancing seriously,which they arent. Drove by wing stop the other day and that mother fcker was packed ass to ass with peeps buyng food

[Reck]

Trump is having a meltdown on live TV right now...

[slick'81]

Or quit gathering in megachurches.

or sun bathing in nyc

[DarrinS]

Trump is having a meltdown on live TV right now...

Change the channel

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/TruthAbtChina/status/1244240551622238208?s=20

Just for those that like to praise China.

It's been pretty clear for a while they've been fudging numbers, tbh

[ElNono]

Trump is having a meltdown on live TV right now...

:cry I just want to be appreciated :cry

[slick'81]

Change the channel


Why d?

[ChumpDumper]

or sun bathing in nycSame in Austin at least a couple days ago. Let's all agree that this kind of stupidity is nonpartisan.

Looks like shaming might work though....

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[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/wilfredchan/status/1243887606569590784?s=20

Explains why the WHO was pushing China's bullshit tbh

[Reck]

Change the channel

:lol Darrin is upset awww