Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[hater]

You hear we gave it to tigers in the Bronx Zoo?

yeah but tell a tiger to self quarantine :lol

[baseline bum]

If you knew the real story behind that nursing home situation you'd be so fucking pissed.

Has it been published? If not, what's the real story of it?

[baseline bum]

yeah but tell a tiger to self quarantine :lol

I just want to see them put the mask on him tbh

[picnroll]

Never knew you'd need a ventilator for HAPE. I suspect I had it about eight years ago backpacking around 12,000 feet (there is a checklist of about five symptoms, if you have two you should consider yourself to have it, and I checked 3/5 really clearly and had been dealing with AMS for three days before). It was frightening because I was in amazing shape and couldn't walk ten feet without being exhausted and having to sit for a minute. But as soon as I got down to the road at about 8000 feet I could breath again and by the time I got down to 4000 feet I just felt exhausted but ok.
Don’t know the details, weren’t discussed in the article. Respiratory therapy extends well beyond my knowledge base.
HAPE is weird though more related to other dactors, possibly in part genetic than being in shape. There are drugs to treat HAPE, don’t know if any have been tried with COVID. When I use to extreme altitude, above 13,000 feet I would take diamox, a diuretic normally used for hypertension, pretty commonly used by skiers and such who are familiar with it.

[baseline bum]

Don’t know the details, weren’t discussed in the article. Respiratory therapy extends well beyond my knowledge base.
HAPE is weird though more related to other dactors, possibly in part genetic than being in shape. There are drugs to treat HAPE, don’t know if any have been tried with COVID. When I use to extreme altitude, above 13,000 feet I would take diamox, a diuretic normally used for hypertension, pretty commonly used by skiers and such who are familiar with it.

I don't think HAPE is very well understood. At least it wasn't a decade ago when I was really into hiking and backpacking.

[picnroll]

Nope , still not well understood, same as why some healthy young people with COVID get knocked on their asses or die.

[SnakeBoy]

Has it been published? If not, what's the real story of it?

City has been made aware. I can't give you the details but it all starts with one home health company that to this day thinks Covid is overblown and is still sending people out to see pts with no PPE. They even send them to see known covid positive pts without telling them.

[baseline bum]

City has been made aware. I can't give you the details but it all starts with one home health company that to this day thinks Covid is overblown and is still sending people out to see pts with no PPE. They even send them to see known covid positive pts without telling them.

Wow how is the city covering this up? Shit should be on the front page of the Express News.

[DarrinS]

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[LaMarcus Bryant]

The latest Japan numbers are alarming. We all knew they were keeping numbers down. I was always wondering how tokyo and other metro areas were able to stay out of the news in terms of deaths etc when they're living on top of each other just like NYC

Hopefully it doesn't get too bad there.

[TimDunkem]

Welp, New York's death total jumped past yesterday's.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/Alicia_Smith19/status/1247140405826682885?s=20

https://twitter.com/Alicia_Smith19/status/1247140408125202433?s=20

https://twitter.com/Alicia_Smith19/status/1247145341025214464?s=20

Click top tweet to see many more states and stats.

[TSA]

Welp, New York's death total jumped past yesterday's.

New hospitalizations down to 358

https://mobile.twitter.com/bespokeinvest/status/1247195584643170308

IMHE cut its projected hospitalizations in half

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

[TimDunkem]

They'll likely spike again. The peak isn't here yet.

[Winehole23]

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[DMC]

They'll likely spike again. The peak isn't here yet.

Is there science behind this comment or just a gut feeling?

[DMC]

There are those on the left who want nothing to do with a flatter curve (political reasons) - probably some on the right as well (watch it burn..).

I will admit that I really love the lack of traffic to and from my customer sites, but the eerie feeling doesn't leave you even at home. You feel like you should be enjoying your family time and lack of hustle and bustle, but not for this reason (COVID). Instead, I am focused on getting back to killing the Earth.

[ChumpDumper]

I am really encouraged by the new projections and some of the signs of slowing/plateauing in places like NY. I am worried that people and governments are going to let down their vigilance too soon.

[SnakeBoy]

You hear we gave it to tigers in the Bronx Zoo?

I blame the tigers for their lack safe social distancing practices. Tigers always playing the victim instead of taking personal responsibility for their actions.

[TimDunkem]

Is there science behind this comment or just a gut feeling?

A little of both. New cases, hospitalizations, ICU visits, and deaths are all up throughout the state although seem to be slowing based on the past two days in NYC itself. The gut feeling is based on what I've seen out of media coming out of NYC. Sure, it's night and day based on how packed that place usually is, but you still have holdouts and those essential workers who continue to pack subway cars, so I'm a tad pessimistic.

[TimDunkem]

I am really encouraged by the new projections and some of the signs of slowing/plateauing in places like NY. I am worried that people and governments are going to let down their vigilance too soon.

This is one of my fears too. I believe it's inevitable honestly. A lot of people I know personally are beginning to have get togethers because they "can't take this anymore :cry".

[hater]

people seem to not be aware that flattening of the curve has nothing to do with # of deaths

all those ppl dying right now were infected 10-15 days ago

thats why we will see increase of deaths for a while

the reduction of new cases, thus flattening of the curve wont be appreciated until 10-15 days from now

thats the good news

the bad news is what next? if we start to go out again say in 15 days it goes right back up

we have painted ourselves into a corner and it will be difficult to find anway out

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I am really encouraged by the new projections and some of the signs of slowing/plateauing in places like NY. I am worried that people and governments are going to let down their vigilance too soon.

Agreed.

Humanity is not mentally equipped to understand that our leaders don't have an answer for this problem. Always eyeing the short term over the long term. Rinse repeat.

[ChumpDumper]

Agreed.

Humanity is not mentally equipped to understand that our leaders don't have an answer for this problem. Always eyeing the short term over the long term. Rinse repeat.Some people are probably gonna get stupid for dead Jesus weekend.

[DarrinS]

New hospitalizations down to 358

https://mobile.twitter.com/bespokeinvest/status/1247195584643170308

IMHE cut its projected hospitalizations in half

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections


Hmmm, I wonder what's happening in NY that's lowering hospitalization?

[Winehole23]

BOP incompetence will turn prisons into death camps. Hopefully ICE has a better handle on it.



When coronavirus began ripping through the federal prison in Oakdale, Louisiana, Senior Officer Aubrey Melder was on the front lines. On March 19, he transported a sick prisoner to the local community hospital for tests, spending six hours in close contact with the ailing man. The officer’s only protection for most of that time? A pair of gloves.Melder expected to go into quarantine, especially after the prisoner’s test for COVID-19 came back positive on March 21, according to his union representatives. But within a day, the Bureau of Prison’s chief health officer in Washington ordered him back on the job, according to an email reviewed by The Marshall Project.https://www.themarshallproject.org/2020/04/03/federal-prisons-agency-put-staff-in-harm-s-way-of-coronavirus

[picnroll]

Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients

While the focus of the COVID-19 pandemic has been on respiratory problems and securing enough ventilators, doctors on the front lines are grappling with a new medical mystery.

In addition to lung damage, many COVID-19 patients are also developing heart problems — and dying of cardiac arrest.

As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.

That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive.

“It’s extremely important to answer the question: Is their heart being affected by the virus and can we do something about it?” said Dr. Ulrich Jorde, the head of heart failure, cardiac transplantation and mechanical circulatory support for the Montefiore Health System in New York City. “This may save many lives in the end.”

Virus Or Illness?
The question of whether the emerging heart problems are caused by the virus itself or are a byproduct of the body’s reaction to it has become one of the critical unknowns facing doctors as they race to understand the novel illness. Determining how the virus affects the heart is difficult, in part, because severe illness alone can influence heart health.

“Someone who’s dying from a bad pneumonia will ultimately die because the heart stops,” said Dr. Robert Bonow, a professor of cardiology at the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and editor of the medical journal JAMA Cardiology. “You can’t get enough oxygen into your system and things go haywire.”

But Bonow and many other cardiac specialists believe a COVID-19 infection could lead to damage to the heart in four or five ways. Some patients, they say, might be affected by more than one of those pathways at once.

Doctors have long known that any serious medical event, even something as straightforward as hip surgery, can create enough stress to damage the heart. Moreover, a condition like pneumonia can cause widespread inflammation in the body. That, in turn, can lead to plaque in arteries becoming unstable, causing heart attacks. Inflammation can also cause a condition known as myocarditis, which can lead to the weakening of the heart muscle and, ultimately, heart failure.

But Bonow said the damage observed in COVID-19 patients could be from the virus directly infecting the heart muscle. Initial research suggests the coronavirus attaches to certain receptors in the lungs, and those same receptors are found in heart muscle as well.

Initial Data From China
In March, doctors from China published two studies that gave the first glimpse at how prevalent cardiac problems were among patients with COVID-19 illness. The larger of the two studies looked at 416 hospitalized patients. The researchers found that 19% showed signs of heart damage. And those who did were significantly more likely to die: 51% of those with heart damage died versus 4.5% who did not have it.

Patients who had heart disease before their coronavirus infections were much more likely to show heart damage afterward. But some patients with no previous heart disease also showed signs of cardiac damage. In fact, patients with no preexisting heart conditions who incurred heart damage during their infection were more likely to die than patients with previous heart disease but no COVID-19-induced cardiac damage.

It’s unclear why some patients experience more cardiac effects than others. Bonow said that could be due to a genetic predisposition or it could be because they’re exposed to higher viral loads.

Those uncertainties underscore the need for closer monitoring of cardiac markers in COVID-19 patients, Jorde said. If doctors in New York, Washington state and other hot spots can start to tease out how the virus is affecting the heart, they may be able to provide a risk score or other guidance to help clinicians manage COVID-19 patients in other parts of the country.

“We have to assume, maybe, that the virus affects the heart directly,” Jorde said. “But it’s essential to find out.”

Facing Obstacles
Gathering the data to do so amid the crisis, however, can be difficult. Ideally, doctors would take biopsies of the heart to determine whether the heart muscle is infected with the virus.

But COVID-19 patients are often so sick it’s difficult for them to undergo invasive procedures. And more testing could expose additional health care workers to the virus. Many hospitals aren’t using electrocardiograms on patients in isolation to avoid bringing additional staff into the room and using up limited masks or other protective equipment.

Still, Dr. Sahil Parikh, an interventional cardiologist at Columbia University Irving Medical Center in New York City, said hospitals are making a concerted effort to order the tests needed and to enter findings in medical records so they can sort out what’s going on with the heart.

“We all recognize that because we’re at the leading edge, for better or for worse, we need to try to compile information and use it to help advance the field,” he said.
Indeed, despite the surge in patients, doctors continue to gather data, compile trends and publish their findings in near real time. Parikh and several colleagues recently penned a compilation of what’s known about cardiac complications of COVID-19, making the article available online immediately and adding new findings before the article comes out in print.

Cardiologists in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are sharing the latest COVID-19 information through a WhatsApp group that has at least 150 members. And even as New York hospitals are operating under crisis conditions, doctors are testing new drugs and treatments in clinical trials to ensure that what they have learned about the coronavirus can be shared elsewhere with scientific validity.

That work has already resulted in changes in the way hospitals deal with the cardiac implications of COVID-19. Doctors have found that the infection can mimic a heart attack. They have taken patients to the cardiac catheterization lab to clear a suspected blockage, only to find the patient wasn’t really experiencing a heart attack but had COVID-19.

For years, hospitals have rushed suspected heart attack patients directly to the catheterization lab, bypassing the emergency room, in an effort to shorten the time from when the patient enters the door to when doctors can clear the blockage with a balloon. Door-to-balloon time had become an important measure of how well hospitals treat heart attacks.

“We’re taking a step back from that now and thinking about having patients brought to the emergency department so they can get evaluated briefly, so that we could determine: Is this somebody who’s really at high risk for COVID-19?” Parikh said. “And is this manifestation that we’re calling a heart attack really a heart attack?”
New protocols now include bringing in a cardiologist and getting an EKG or an ultrasound to confirm a blockage.

“We’re doing that in large measure to protect the patient from what would be an otherwise unnecessary procedure,” Parikh said, “But also to help us decide which sort of level of personal protective equipment we would employ in the cath lab.”
Sorting out how the virus affects the heart should help doctors determine which therapies to pursue to keep patients alive.

Jorde said that after COVID-19 patients recover, they could have long-term effects from such heart damage. But, he said, treatments exist for various forms of heart damage that should be effective once the viral infection has cleared.

Still, that could require another wave of widespread health care demands after the pandemic has calmed.

https://apple.news/AX2mbJqXXTiSahm6rDAhv7Q

[ChumpDumper]

Hmmm, I wonder what's happening in NY that's lowering hospitalization?Probably locking the place down, as late as that happened. If it's some miracle treatment before hospitalization, hooray!

[SnakeBoy]

I am really encouraged by the new projections and some of the signs of slowing/plateauing in places like NY. I am worried that people and governments are going to let down their vigilance too soon.

As long as Copeland keeps destroying Covid-19 with the power of God we should keep heading in the right direction


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=56&v=lBk5C8s1-KI&feature=emb_logo

[Winehole23]

HHS IG report at the link. It's not pretty.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/06/with-worst-to-come-3-in-4-us-hospitals-now-facing-covid-19-167853

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients

While the focus of the COVID-19 pandemic has been on respiratory problems and securing enough ventilators, doctors on the front lines are grappling with a new medical mystery.

In addition to lung damage, many COVID-19 patients are also developing heart problems — and dying of cardiac arrest.

As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.

That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive.

“It’s extremely important to answer the question: Is their heart being affected by the virus and can we do something about it?” said Dr. Ulrich Jorde, the head of heart failure, cardiac transplantation and mechanical circulatory support for the Montefiore Health System in New York City. “This may save many lives in the end.”

Virus Or Illness?
The question of whether the emerging heart problems are caused by the virus itself or are a byproduct of the body’s reaction to it has become one of the critical unknowns facing doctors as they race to understand the novel illness. Determining how the virus affects the heart is difficult, in part, because severe illness alone can influence heart health.

“Someone who’s dying from a bad pneumonia will ultimately die because the heart stops,” said Dr. Robert Bonow, a professor of cardiology at the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and editor of the medical journal JAMA Cardiology. “You can’t get enough oxygen into your system and things go haywire.”

But Bonow and many other cardiac specialists believe a COVID-19 infection could lead to damage to the heart in four or five ways. Some patients, they say, might be affected by more than one of those pathways at once.

Doctors have long known that any serious medical event, even something as straightforward as hip surgery, can create enough stress to damage the heart. Moreover, a condition like pneumonia can cause widespread inflammation in the body. That, in turn, can lead to plaque in arteries becoming unstable, causing heart attacks. Inflammation can also cause a condition known as myocarditis, which can lead to the weakening of the heart muscle and, ultimately, heart failure.

But Bonow said the damage observed in COVID-19 patients could be from the virus directly infecting the heart muscle. Initial research suggests the coronavirus attaches to certain receptors in the lungs, and those same receptors are found in heart muscle as well.

Initial Data From China
In March, doctors from China published two studies that gave the first glimpse at how prevalent cardiac problems were among patients with COVID-19 illness. The larger of the two studies looked at 416 hospitalized patients. The researchers found that 19% showed signs of heart damage. And those who did were significantly more likely to die: 51% of those with heart damage died versus 4.5% who did not have it.

Patients who had heart disease before their coronavirus infections were much more likely to show heart damage afterward. But some patients with no previous heart disease also showed signs of cardiac damage. In fact, patients with no preexisting heart conditions who incurred heart damage during their infection were more likely to die than patients with previous heart disease but no COVID-19-induced cardiac damage.

It’s unclear why some patients experience more cardiac effects than others. Bonow said that could be due to a genetic predisposition or it could be because they’re exposed to higher viral loads.

Those uncertainties underscore the need for closer monitoring of cardiac markers in COVID-19 patients, Jorde said. If doctors in New York, Washington state and other hot spots can start to tease out how the virus is affecting the heart, they may be able to provide a risk score or other guidance to help clinicians manage COVID-19 patients in other parts of the country.

“We have to assume, maybe, that the virus affects the heart directly,” Jorde said. “But it’s essential to find out.”

Facing Obstacles
Gathering the data to do so amid the crisis, however, can be difficult. Ideally, doctors would take biopsies of the heart to determine whether the heart muscle is infected with the virus.

But COVID-19 patients are often so sick it’s difficult for them to undergo invasive procedures. And more testing could expose additional health care workers to the virus. Many hospitals aren’t using electrocardiograms on patients in isolation to avoid bringing additional staff into the room and using up limited masks or other protective equipment.

Still, Dr. Sahil Parikh, an interventional cardiologist at Columbia University Irving Medical Center in New York City, said hospitals are making a concerted effort to order the tests needed and to enter findings in medical records so they can sort out what’s going on with the heart.

“We all recognize that because we’re at the leading edge, for better or for worse, we need to try to compile information and use it to help advance the field,” he said.
Indeed, despite the surge in patients, doctors continue to gather data, compile trends and publish their findings in near real time. Parikh and several colleagues recently penned a compilation of what’s known about cardiac complications of COVID-19, making the article available online immediately and adding new findings before the article comes out in print.

Cardiologists in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are sharing the latest COVID-19 information through a WhatsApp group that has at least 150 members. And even as New York hospitals are operating under crisis conditions, doctors are testing new drugs and treatments in clinical trials to ensure that what they have learned about the coronavirus can be shared elsewhere with scientific validity.

That work has already resulted in changes in the way hospitals deal with the cardiac implications of COVID-19. Doctors have found that the infection can mimic a heart attack. They have taken patients to the cardiac catheterization lab to clear a suspected blockage, only to find the patient wasn’t really experiencing a heart attack but had COVID-19.

For years, hospitals have rushed suspected heart attack patients directly to the catheterization lab, bypassing the emergency room, in an effort to shorten the time from when the patient enters the door to when doctors can clear the blockage with a balloon. Door-to-balloon time had become an important measure of how well hospitals treat heart attacks.

“We’re taking a step back from that now and thinking about having patients brought to the emergency department so they can get evaluated briefly, so that we could determine: Is this somebody who’s really at high risk for COVID-19?” Parikh said. “And is this manifestation that we’re calling a heart attack really a heart attack?”
New protocols now include bringing in a cardiologist and getting an EKG or an ultrasound to confirm a blockage.

“We’re doing that in large measure to protect the patient from what would be an otherwise unnecessary procedure,” Parikh said, “But also to help us decide which sort of level of personal protective equipment we would employ in the cath lab.”
Sorting out how the virus affects the heart should help doctors determine which therapies to pursue to keep patients alive.

Jorde said that after COVID-19 patients recover, they could have long-term effects from such heart damage. But, he said, treatments exist for various forms of heart damage that should be effective once the viral infection has cleared.

Still, that could require another wave of widespread health care demands after the pandemic has calmed.

https://apple.news/AX2mbJqXXTiSahm6rDAhv7Q

Haven't MD's been saying since early March that multiple pts are dying of very quick onset severe myocarditis? I thought this was established already.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think HAPE is very well understood. At least it wasn't a decade ago when I was really into hiking and backpacking.


Its definitely not. All my field work is at 13k feet and sometimes I"m fine and this past Jan when I was out there I had a day that just fucking floored me and I couldn't go out and do any of my work. I was fine after a day in, but JFC it hit me all of a sudden and hard. The first time I was out at this field side 3 years ago I woke up feeling like shit everyday but was able to function.


I remember when you got it though. In Yellowstone right?

[FkLA]

City has been made aware. I can't give you the details but it all starts with one home health company that to this day thinks Covid is overblown and is still sending people out to see pts with no PPE. They even send them to see known covid positive pts without telling them.

Why is this home health company still being allowed to operate?

[TimDunkem]

Why is this home health company still being allowed to operate?

Why is the rehab and retirement center in question still open period? They've had countless demerits after numerous inspections and are still allowed to operate. Over the years they have pretty much failed at everything you can think of when it comes to protecting the health of their patients.

[ChumpDumper]

Another thing I just read about is that places with overwhelmed health care systems aren't able to test those who die in their homes for COVID-19, so that could lower the daily death count by the hundreds.

[TimDunkem]

My girlfriend lives out near E.Southcross and I always pass by that retirement center. Last time I did I wondered what they were doing - if anything- to protect the people inside. Now, unsurprisingly, it's looking like the new Kirkland. Damn. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Another thing I just read about is that places with overwhelmed health care systems aren't able to test those who die in their homes for COVID-19, so that could lower the daily death count by the hundreds.

Read yesterday that Florida in particular is having this problem. Shocker...not.

[ChumpDumper]

Read yesterday that Florida in particular is having this problem. Shocker...not.Jesus, those retirement communities....

[SnakeBoy]

Why is the rehab and retirement center in question still open period? They've had countless demerits after numerous inspections and are still allowed to operate. Over the years they have pretty much failed at everything you can think of when it comes to protecting the health of their patients.

I'm not talking about the actual retirement center. Another home health rehab company that serves that nursing home.

[TimDunkem]

Jesus, those retirement communities....

Yep. Not that I can verify how true this is or anything...but would anyone really be surprised?

[MannyIsGod]

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Pretty sobering thread.

It seems likely we're grossly under counting deaths as well.

[TimDunkem]

I'm not talking about the actual retirement center. Another home health rehab company that serves that nursing home.

I know, but both are true. The company and the centers themselves have clearly done a horrible job. I really feel for the families that have loved ones in places like that.

[ChumpDumper]

1247155043171741696

Pretty sobering thread.

It seems likely we're grossly under counting deaths as well.Yep, that's the one I saw. Thanks for the link. I wouldn't be surprised by more and more horror stories outside the hospitals going forward.

[Splits]

New hospitalizations down to 358

https://mobile.twitter.com/bespokeinvest/status/1247195584643170308

IMHE cut its projected hospitalizations in half

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

I'm not sure what that first graph represents? Is that new minus discharged patients?

https://i.imgur.com/NsmlHMa.png

[TSA]

1247155043171741696

Pretty sobering thread.

It seems likely we're grossly under counting deaths as well.

Possibly, or due to lack of tests possibly not.

In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

[picnroll]

Haven't MD's been saying since early March that multiple pts are dying of very quick onset severe myocarditis? I thought this was established already.

It’s been described before but the first time I’ve seen the scope of the problem and long term implications described.

[hater]

Porton Johnson to spend another night at the hospital

seems like the “getting tests” excuse was a sad case of BS

[baseline bum]

Its definitely not. All my field work is at 13k feet and sometimes I"m fine and this past Jan when I was out there I had a day that just fucking floored me and I couldn't go out and do any of my work. I was fine after a day in, but JFC it hit me all of a sudden and hard. The first time I was out at this field side 3 years ago I woke up feeling like shit everyday but was able to function.


I remember when you got it though. In Yellowstone right?

In the Ansel Adams National Forest just outside of Yosemite. I had AMS for two days so I decided not to push on and just wait it out and only do dayhikes around where I was camping (it usually clears up and has for me in the past) but once HAPE symptoms started showing up I waited until night and hiked down to the nearest road and hitchhiked back into the park.

You think you had AMS? Because if it's HAPE or HACE don't you just die if you don't get lower?

[picnroll]

I'm not sure what that first graph represents? Is that new minus discharged patients?

https://i.imgur.com/NsmlHMa.png

So by the numbers in that chart new admissions were at least 3565 not counting any increase from discharges.

[Splits]

So by the numbers in that chart new admissions were at least 3565 not counting any increase from discharges.

Cuomo's chart says 358 on 5 April, yesterday. The data says 1709.

[MannyIsGod]

In the Ansel Adams National Forest just outside of Yosemite. I had AMS for two days so I decided not to push on and just wait it out and only do dayhikes around where I was camping (it usually clears up and has for me in the past) but once HAPE symptoms started showing up I waited until night and hiked down to the nearest road and hitchhiked back into the park.

You think you had AMS? Because if it's HAPE or HACE don't you just die if you don't get lower?

Oh yeah I didn't get it that severe. i didn't even have to go down. I just chilled for a day.

[picnroll]

Cuomo's chart says 358 on 5 April, yesterday. The data says 1709.

My math says subtract the 4th hospitalization from the 5th and then subtract 4th deaths from 5th. Add those two results. Then you have to add any discharges and that gives you new hospitalizations. You see anything wrong with that math?

[DMC]

New hospitalizations should be anyone who was admitted for COV on that day. It should not have any other numbers factored into it.

[DMC]

Agreed.

Humanity is not mentally equipped to understand that our leaders don't have an answer for this problem. Always eyeing the short term over the long term. Rinse repeat.

Maybe the layman doesn't understand the implications of the the latter. It's easy to say "think long term" but try that while holding your breath. This country is holding its breath, and we can only do that for so long before we suffocate.

[picnroll]

Boris Johnson in intensive care now after condition worsened.

[Splits]

My math says subtract the 4th hospitalization from the 5th and then subtract 4th deaths from 5th. Add those two results. Then you have to add any discharges and that gives you new hospitalizations. You see anything wrong with that math?

I don't understand what that has to do with Cuomo's slide. The chart clearly says "Total New Hospitalized". That implies net. It doesn't match the actuals reported.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU7tEZwXgAEfVUN?format=png&name=small

[DMC]

He probably will die.

[DMC]

I don't understand what that has to do with Cuomo's slide. The chart clearly says "Total New Hospitalized". That implies net. It doesn't match the actuals reported.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU7tEZwXgAEfVUN?format=png&name=small

Is this only NYC? Seems it would be.

[picnroll]

looks that way

[SnakeBoy]

Boris Johnson in intensive care now after condition worsened.

Link?

[TimDunkem]

Boris Johnson in intensive care now after condition worsened.

Those ICU beds are normally reserved for patients who need or will need a vent. If he needs a vent then he's likely fucked.

[TimDunkem]

Link?

Just saw it on CNN.

[Splits]

Boris Johnson in intensive care now after condition worsened.

Thoughts and prayers

1247241845387735043


hater (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609)

[hater]

poor Porton :wow

hopefully he survives

if he beats Corona his popularity would be off the charts even surpass Churchill

but even if he beats it he might have permanent damage and not be able to work

[spurraider21]

seeing it the guardian as well

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/06/coronavirus-live-news-boris-johnson-admitted-to-hospital-as-trump-again-touts-hydroxychloroquine

[picnroll]

Link?

Business Insider
https://apple.news/A_OrNoDYsRkC9a9zcw4ABmQ

[Splits]

Is this only NYC? Seems it would be.

He's not the governor of NYC, and it still wouldn't match because they have 1/2 of NY State overall

[picnroll]

I don't understand what that has to do with Cuomo's slide. The chart clearly says "Total New Hospitalized". That implies net. It doesn't match the actuals reported.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU7tEZwXgAEfVUN?format=png&name=small

I was getting numbers off the chart you posted with hospitalized column highlighted in red.

[spurraider21]

he was hooked up to oxygen as of last night, so having him shift to ICU now indicates that he hasn't gotten better. could also be extreme precaution given his high profile

[TimDunkem]

he was hooked up to oxygen as of last night, so having him shift to ICU now indicates that he hasn't gotten better. could also be extreme precaution given his high profile

They need every ICU bed they can get. The fact that he's been moved there and people are using language like "worsened considerably" and "markedly worse" doesn't bode well for BoJo.

[picnroll]

Queen made a rallying speech yesterday in the first time for forever. That was probably the canary in the Boris Johnson coal mine.

[spurraider21]

They need every ICU bed they can get. The fact that he's been moved there and people are using language like "worsened considerably" and "markedly worse" doesn't bode well for BoJo.
yeah the most recent entries on that Guardian page i posted are painting a grim picture

[TimDunkem]

Talk about Dominic Raab being deputized soon is coming out.

[SnakeBoy]

He probably will die.

Odds are in his favor. Today is day 11 since onset of symptoms for him. Unless they are lying about his condition.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't understand what that has to do with Cuomo's slide. The chart clearly says "Total New Hospitalized". That implies net. It doesn't match the actuals reported.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU7tEZwXgAEfVUN?format=png&name=small

I'm gonna guess there is a data lag and not trust the last number.

[hater]

he was hooked up to oxygen as of last night, so having him shift to ICU now indicates that he hasn't gotten better. could also be extreme precaution given his high profile

they have been lying about him for days

yesterday they said he was going in for “tests” thats bullshit

Sputnik reported yesterday he was on a ventilator. They said it was fake news, but IMO that was true. Hes been on a ventilator for a day at least.

and now their statement that he went to ICU has only one explanation, his condition is very serious.

he could be plugged in to ventilator for up to 2 weeks and hopefully recover or he could die today.

its possible UK government and Boris himself waited too long to go to the hospital

[spurraider21]

Queen made a rallying speech yesterday in the first time for forever. That was probably the canary in the Boris Johnson coal mine.
did she talk about her TV ratings?

[hater]

cant believe Assange might survive corona while Boris doesnt

thats some sobering shit

[picnroll]

did she talk about her TV ratings?
Nah, she did blame it all on Harry and Meghan though.

[RandomGuy]

Odds are in his favor. Today is day 11 since onset of symptoms for him. Unless they are lying about his condition.

"unless they are lying"... Famous last words.

[SnakeBoy]

Sputnik reported yesterday he was on a ventilator. They said it was fake news, but IMO that was true. Hes been on a ventilator for a day at least.


Sputnik said :lol

[hater]

Sputnik said :lol

yup they were right oops :lol

[RandomGuy]

They need every ICU bed they can get. The fact that he's been moved there and people are using language like "worsened considerably" and "markedly worse" doesn't bode well for BoJo.

That is how the people that die go. "suddenly worse" then BAM. dead. From what I have heard from first hand accounts.

Maybe he will be one of the people that pull through.

If he dies, it will be poetic that it was, essentially, his own bungling that killed him.

[SpursforSix]

https://i.imgur.com/nga6OHn.jpg

[TimDunkem]

That is how the people that die go. "suddenly worse" then BAM. dead. From what I have heard from first hand accounts.

Maybe he will be one of the people that pull through.

If he dies, it will be poetic that it was, essentially, his own bungling that killed him.

Which is an important distinction and something hospitals are seeing. Once you're there you either die, or die soon after. It'll be a long 48 hours for him.

[hater]

maybe they can pump him full of Dr. Trumps special drug cocktail tbqh

[TimDunkem]

Now they're saying on CNN that he's conscious, and only has been moved there as "a precaution in case he needs a vent".

[Splits]

I'm gonna guess there is a data lag and not trust the last number.

It's all very confusing. https://covidtracking.com/data/state/new-york/ gets their numbers by scraping the NY Dept of Health website.

My only guess is he's not using the same 24 hour period, but even then his chart doesn't match what his DoH is reporting.

[hater]

Now they're saying on CNN that he's conscious, and only has been moved there as "a precaution in case he needs a vent".

:lmao nobody goes to an ICU as "precautionary measure" :lmao

you can get a nasty bacterial infection at the ICU that could kill you as well. Boris must simply not be able to breathe on his own at the moment

[Splits]

maybe they can pump him full of Dr. Trumps special drug cocktail tbqh

:lol

any reporter with balls would ask him that question at his next briefing

[TimDunkem]

maybe they can pump him full of Dr. Trumps special drug cocktail tbqh

TSA, Chris, and Darrin will still push it too. Even though there are doctors on camera literally crying saying there isn't anything helping a majority of those in IC.

[Thread]

TSA, Chris, and Darrin will still push it too. Even though there are doctors on camera literally crying saying there isn't anything helping a majority of those in IC.

Me too, TD. I'll still push it as well.

[hater]

Me too, TD. I'll still push it as well.

bendover I'll pump you full of my cocktail

[Splits]

Me too, TD. I'll still push it as well.

You folded your tent. You're on the outside until late summer. Your voice is no longer heard.

[TimDunkem]

:lmao nobody goes to an ICU as "precautionary measure" :lmao

you can get a nasty bacterial infection at the ICU that could kill you as well. Boris must simply not be able to breathe on his own at the moment

And all this talk of Dominic Raab being deputized too. Some "precautionary measure". :lol

Things are serious for Ol Boris right now.

[Thread]

You folded your tent. You're on the outside until late summer. Your voice is no longer heard.

Because I'm wrong about that death count?

[Splits]

And all this talk of Dominic Raab being deputized too. Some "precautionary measure". :lol

Things are serious for Ol Boris right now.

Nigga's gonna have a funeral with 5 people in attendance.

[Splits]

Because I'm wrong about that death count?

Because you quit your Count of Corona thread, which had nothing to do with 1k/day, that was a side bet. I wallopped you upside the head 2 days early with that and you tucked tail, went and smacked Katie around, and now you're out of the circle.

[leemajors]

As long as Copeland keeps destroying Covid-19 with the power of God we should keep heading in the right direction


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=56&v=lBk5C8s1-KI&feature=emb_logo

I hear spitting in the mouth works best.

[Thread]

Because you quit your Count of Corona thread, which had nothing to do with 1k/day, that was a side bet. I wallopped you upside the head 2 days early with that and you tucked tail, went and smacked Katie around, and now you're out of the circle.

Fine. Get somebody, an honest 3rd party to broker this debate and if they side you I'll relent and leave for good.

[Blake]

"While the focus of the COVID-19 pandemic has been on respiratory problems and securing enough ventilators, doctors on the front lines are grappling with a new medical mystery.

In addition to lung damage, many COVID-19 patients are also developing heart problems — and dying of cardiac arrest.

As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.

That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic,..."

https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/

[SnakeBoy]

Fine. Get somebody, an honest 3rd party to broker this debate and if they side you I'll relent and leave for good.

I will mediate. Make your cases.

[Splits]

Fine. Get somebody, an honest 3rd party to broker this debate and if they side you I'll relent and leave for good.

No need. You can hang around, bite my ankles, lick Trump's taint all you want. Just don't engage me in the numbers game any longer, you're out of the circle.

[Blake]

I will mediate. Make your cases.

He said "honest"

[Thread]

No need. You can hang around, bite my ankles, lick Trump's taint all you want. Just don't engage me in the numbers game any longer, you're out of the circle.


- "You're all talk and a badge."

- "Al Capone" - "The Untouchables"

[DMC]

did she talk about her TV ratings?
She doesn't need to. Americans are infatuated with the British royalty.

[TSA]

TSA, Chris, and Darrin will still push it too. Even though there are doctors on camera literally crying saying there isn't anything helping a majority of those in IC.

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A Los Angeles doctor said he is seeing significant success in prescribing the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc to treat patients with severe symptoms of COVID-19.

Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.

"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

https://abc7.com/amp/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/?__twitter_impression=true

[Splits]

- "You're all talk and a badge."

- "Al Capone" - "The Untouchables"

Your capitulation is duly noted.

You know, I was thinking if there was one douchebag in the world besides Boris I could wish the Rona on, it would be your Kirby. But of course that's not possible, since he forced that pilot into the chopper that early, dreadfully foggy morning, to be first on the court at the girls b-ball game. But if he was around, he would have contracted it by playing bottom to Magic's son and then taking it home and getting all his kids sick. He'd probably choose the latter.

[SnakeBoy]

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A Los Angeles doctor said he is seeing significant success in prescribing the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc to treat patients with severe symptoms of COVID-19.

Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.

"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

https://abc7.com/amp/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/?__twitter_impression=true

Must be one of those LA Trumpster's spewing anecedotes

[Splits]

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A Los Angeles doctor said he is seeing significant success in prescribing the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc to treat patients with severe symptoms of COVID-19.

Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.

"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

https://abc7.com/amp/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/?__twitter_impression=true

Sure hope Boris can find a dose or two.

[leemajors]

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-ivermectin-antiparasitic-drug-kills-covid19-in-lab/news-story/615c435e56aefc4b704f4fd890bd4c2c


An anti-parasitic drug available throughout the world has been found to kill COVID-19 in the lab within 48 hours.

A Monash University-led study has shown a single dose of the drug Ivermectin could stop the SARS-CoV-2 virus growing in cell culture.

“We found that even a single dose could essentially remove all viral RNA (effectively removed all genetic material of the virus) by 48 hours and that even at 24 hours there was a really significant reduction in it,” Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute’s Dr Kylie Wagstaff said on Friday.

While it’s not known how Ivermectin works on the virus, the drug likely stops the virus dampening the host cells’ ability to clear it.

The next step is for scientists to determine the correct human dosage, to make sure the level used in vitro is safe for humans.

[TSA]

TSA, Chris, and Darrin will still push it too. Even though there are doctors on camera literally crying saying there isn't anything helping a majority of those in IC.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1247219208464879616

State Secures Possible Coronavirus Cure For Hospitals

It is being billed by some doctors and patients around the country as a cure for coronavirus (COVID-19).

This week the FDA approved the use of the anti-malaria medication Hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19.

News 9 learned Oklahoma secured a supply of the medication weeks ago and the medicine is currently being compounded in Oklahoma.

Some of those patient dosages are already being used in Oklahoma hospitals on patients who have already contracted the virus.

Bullard said early tests show after three days of taking the medicine, patients feel better and by the fifth day they are symptom free.

Bullard said had the governor waited days to place Oklahoma's order the state would be scrambling for the medicine like other states.

“We are ahead of other states in our region for sure,” said Bullard, who added that Texas and Colorado have inquired about buying extra amounts of the medication.

https://www.news9.com/story/41972631/state-secures-possible-coronavirus-cure-for-hospitals#.XotJyWjOGbE.twitter

[FkLA]

I know, but both are true. The company and the centers themselves have clearly done a horrible job. I really feel for the families that have loved ones in places like that.

I've never understood why Americans send their parents to nursing homes. Most other cultures just have them move in with them once they require care.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/esaagar/status/1247207540775096323

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1247229656593391616

[Thread]

Sure hope Boris can find a dose or two.

I'll just bet you do.

I was crazy to ever agree to let you buy me that expensive driver.

[florige]

I've never understood why Americans send their parents to nursing homes. Most other cultures just have them move in with them once they require care.


Well in my case when my grandmother got to the point where she couldn't even use the bathroom on her own I basically was left without a choice. When they get to that point they need 24 hour constant supervision and of course I had to work. And usually the other family members here don't want the burden of coming over to help out any.

[Thread]

I've never understood why Americans send their parents to nursing homes. Most other cultures just have them move in with them once they require care.

Is that even the truth, or, an urban myth to break our balls, Fk?

[ChumpDumper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/esaagar/status/1247207540775096323

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1247229656593391616Oh now he's working the phones. Dude is reduced to reacting to everything.

[TSA]

Must be one of those LA Trumpster's spewing anecedotes

It’s sad to see people here almost rooting against it working because Trump endorsed it early on.

[hater]

seriously howcome Boris has not gotten Trump medicine??

maybe because it doesn't really work as well?

[TimDunkem]

It’s sad to see people here almost rooting against it working because Trump endorsed it early on.

No one is rooting against it. It certainly has been seen to help some people.

Some people.

Not most.

Pretty simple.

[hater]

No one is rooting against it. It certainly has been seen to help some people.

Some people.

Not most.

Pretty simple.

It's sad to see ppl pimping this medicine as it somehow will miraculously stop the virus

sure it probably works well, so does the Cuban medicine.

but thinking the virus will go away soon because of it (like what Trump says) is pathetic and pretty stupid

[ChumpDumper]

It’s sad to see people here almost rooting against it working because Trump endorsed it early on.
It's sad to see lupus patients being death paneled for anecdotes. If they were still getting their meds I'd be less pissy about it.

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-ivermectin-antiparasitic-drug-kills-covid19-in-lab/news-story/615c435e56aefc4b704f4fd890bd4c2c

That would be the ultimate game changer. No shortage of ivermectin and we can pick a flavor

http://www.applewormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ivermectin-thumb-MD.jpg

https://www.petflow.com/images/default/products/maximal/35125-11.jpg

[Spurminator]

Thoughts and prayers

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hater (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609)

I can't wait for this episode of The Crown.

[ChumpDumper]

That would be the ultimate game changer. No shortage of ivermectin and we can pick a flavor

http://www.applewormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ivermectin-thumb-MD.jpg

https://www.petflow.com/images/default/products/maximal/35125-11.jpgBRB gotta run to Petco for...dog food...yeah, that's it....

[Splits]

If Trump's Cure is so powerful, why has Boris gone from being diagnosed with mild symptoms 10 days ago to on a ventilator today? They're BFF. What have you got to lose?

[SnakeBoy]

It's sad to see lupus patients being death paneled for anecdotes. If they were still getting their meds I'd be less pissy about it.

How will lupus patients die?

[hater]

a temperature of 176 degrees Farenheit also can kill a virus in a lab

doesn't mean we should slow cook our patients tbqh

[SnakeBoy]

It’s sad to see people here almost rooting against it working because Trump endorsed it early on.

They pretend they aren't rooting against it working but they clearly are...cuz Trump.

[TimDunkem]

How will lupus patients die?

Organ failure if the flareup is severe enough. My mom has lupus and could die if something happened to her supply of hydroxychloroquine.

Either way, it would surely mean a hospital visit. Hospitals that also are increasingly running out of room and being overrun with covid.

[hater]

They pretend they aren't rooting against it working but they clearly are...cuz Trump.

"there will be no wonder drug for this" - Dear Dr. Facci

the sooner every american (including Orangegutan :lol) realize this fact, the quicker we will be able to adjust our lives and move on

[ChumpDumper]

How will lupus patients die?If lupus flares occur it can take out kidneys or damage the heart. I guess you can run the odds against the death rate for COVID if that's your scene. Looks like that's already been done.

[ChumpDumper]

They pretend they aren't rooting against it working but they clearly are...cuz Trump.I'm saying all the hype is premature.

Because it is.

I hope it works. I'd love for Trump to be right and competent and save lives. I'm sorry he hasn't and I'm sorry that hurts your ego. You trusted the wrong guy.

[ChumpDumper]

Organ failure if the flareup is severe enough. My mom has lupus and could die if something happened to her supply of hydroxychloroquine.

Either way, it would surely mean a hospital visit. Hospitals that also are increasingly running out of room and being overrun with covid.I hope she isn't cut off. Other patients haven't been so fortunate. In fact I'd make sure she isn't going to run out anytime soon.

[TimDunkem]

I hope she isn't cut off. Other patients haven't been so fortunate. In fact I'd make sure she isn't going to run out anytime soon.

Thanks. She just got her prescription filled recently so she's good for awhile. :tu

I shudder to think what would happen if something happened to the supply. She's gone without the medication before and the swift decrease in her quality of life was obvious. She was already breaking down a day or two after not taking it. Couldn't even make it to the car without help.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1247169518046081024?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks. She just got her prescription filled recently so she's good for awhile. :tu

I shudder to think what would happen if something happened to the supply. She's gone without the medication before and the swift decrease in her quality of life was obvious. She was already breaking down a day or two after not taking it. Couldn't even make it to the car without help.Fuck. Kaiser Permanente was trying to say the effects would last up to 40 days in their kiss off letter.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1247195079766401025?s=19

Get your globalism propaganda and have a chuckle with Colbert and Fallon guys!

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1247195079766401025?s=19

Get your globalism propaganda and have a chuckle with Colbert and Fallon guys!

Trumptouchingglowingglobe.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1247169518046081024?s=19So this guy is saying give it to the patients with the worst symptoms so we don't blow the supply. I'm not against that.

[MannyIsGod]

This thread is going to shit.

[SnakeBoy]

Thanks. She just got her prescription filled recently so she's good for awhile. :tu

I shudder to think what would happen if something happened to the supply. She's gone without the medication before and the swift decrease in her quality of life was obvious. She was already breaking down a day or two after not taking it. Couldn't even make it to the car without help.

That's odd for a medication with a 45 day half life

[SnakeBoy]

If lupus flares occur it can take out kidneys or damage the heart. I guess you can run the odds against the death rate for COVID if that's your scene. Looks like that's already been done.

Are the more potent meds used for lupus unavailable to them?

[TSA]

This thread is going to shit.

Why?

[SnakeBoy]

This thread is going to shit.

That's what happens when the govt forms Lupus Death Panels

[ChumpDumper]

That's odd for a medication with a 45 day half lifeAnecdotes bad now.

[ChumpDumper]

Are the more potent meds used for lupus unavailable to them?Are the meds actually potent for COVID-19?

Anecdotes good now.

[TSA]

A Democratic state representative from Detroit is crediting hydroxychloroquine — and Republican President Donald Trump who touted the drug — for saving her in her battle with the coronavirus.

Whitsett said she was familiar with "the wonders" of hydroxychloroquine from an earlier bout with Lyme disease, but does not believe she would have thought to ask for it, or her doctor would have prescribed it, had Trump not been touting it as a possible treatment for COVID-19.

Asked if she thinks Trump may have saved her life, Whitsett said: "Yes, I do," and "I do thank him for that." :claw

https://amp.freep.com/amp/2955430001?__twitter_impression=true

[SnakeBoy]

Are the meds actually potent for COVID-19?


Some are being evaluated.

Which ones are you asking about? (be specifc)

[ChumpDumper]

Some are being evaluated.

Which ones are you asking about? (be specifc)Sounds like nothing has been actually proved to be potent at this point.

Specifically.

Thank you for your participation.

I've already said I'm fine with treating people, especially the extremely ill, with your miracle cure if it doesn't fuck with the people for whom it is proven to work.

If you want anything else from me, be specific.

[baseline bum]

If you knew the real story behind that nursing home situation you'd be so fucking pissed.

Speaking of being fucking pissed, now I read a nursing home run by them in Live Oak is being investigated. So yay, a potential hot spot in my area.

[SnakeBoy]

Sounds like nothing has been actually proved to be potent at this point.

Specifically.

Thank you for your participation.

I've already said I'm fine with treating people, especially the extremely ill, with your miracle cure if it doesn't fuck with the people for whom it is proven to work.

If you want anything else from me, be specific.

^ White Flag raised :lol

[ChumpDumper]

^ White Flag raised :lolLet's see the results for the drugs being evaluated.

Specifically, all the ones you know of.

You got em?

Yes or no.

[ElNono]

They pretend they aren't rooting against it working but they clearly are...cuz Trump.

who are 'they'? boutons and Spurs Homer?

I think they're probably pissed off more older, white people haven't died yet... but that's the bar there...

[DarrinS]

a temperature of 176 degrees Farenheit also can kill a virus in a lab

doesn't mean we should slow cook our patients tbqh


It's a good way to sanitize and reuse a mask, tho.

Throw mask in brown paper bag -- toss it in 175 deg. oven for 30 minutes.

[DarrinS]

who are 'they'? boutons and Spurs Homer?

I think they're probably pissed off more older, white people haven't died yet... but that's the bar there...

:lol damn

[Winehole23]

It's a good way to sanitize and reuse a mask, tho.

Throw mask in brown paper bag -- toss it in 175 deg. oven for 30 minutes.Thanks for the tip, just started wearing one.

:tu

[TimDunkem]

That's odd for a medication with a 45 day half life

All I know is that I had to go get her and take her to the hospital, and would never want to see her like that again.

[DarrinS]

Thanks for the tip, just started wearing one.

:tu


Same here. It's in the oven as I post this. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

A Democratic state representative from Detroit is crediting hydroxychloroquine — and Republican President Donald Trump who touted the drug — for saving her in her battle with the coronavirus.

Whitsett said she was familiar with "the wonders" of hydroxychloroquine from an earlier bout with Lyme disease, but does not believe she would have thought to ask for it, or her doctor would have prescribed it, had Trump not been touting it as a possible treatment for COVID-19.

Asked if she thinks Trump may have saved her life, Whitsett said: "Yes, I do," and "I do thank him for that." :claw

https://amp.freep.com/amp/2955430001?__twitter_impression=trueAny idea this woman's age?

[Splits]

Holy shit. Trump just said he sent Boris hydroxychloroquine

[SnakeBoy]

Thanks for the tip, just started wearing one.

:tu

SARS CoV lost all infectivity at 133F for 15 minutes. Won't be long you can just leave them in your car in the sun.

[SnakeBoy]

This thread is going to shit.

Read this instead

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3265313/

[hater]

It's a good way to sanitize and reuse a mask, tho.

Throw mask in brown paper bag -- toss it in 175 deg. oven for 30 minutes.

30 minutes? thats way too much

10 will kill the virus easily

[hater]

Holy shit. Trump just said he sent Boris hydroxychloroquine

:lmao

called it

[Nathan89]

A Democratic state representative from Detroit is crediting hydroxychloroquine — and Republican President Donald Trump who touted the drug — for saving her in her battle with the coronavirus.

Whitsett said she was familiar with "the wonders" of hydroxychloroquine from an earlier bout with Lyme disease, but does not believe she would have thought to ask for it, or her doctor would have prescribed it, had Trump not been touting it as a possible treatment for COVID-19.

Asked if she thinks Trump may have saved her life, Whitsett said: "Yes, I do," and "I do thank him for that." :claw

https://amp.freep.com/amp/2955430001?__twitter_impression=true

Something tells me this will get less headlines than the lunatics that self medicated.

[DarrinS]

30 minutes? thats way too much

10 will kill the virus easily


Cool. I'll do 20 minutes then.

[Reck]

Welp, New York's death total jumped past yesterday's.

Numbers of cases down by half though for the second straight day. We're right on top of the peak window.

[Splits]

1247279994126073860

[spurraider21]

Numbers of cases down by half though for the second straight day. We're right on top of the peak window.
thats a promising sign.

the death figures lag behind the "new case" figures, obviously, so it's not that surprising we'd see deaths still go up as new cases decrease. it still paints a hopeful picture that in ~7-10 days or so we'll see the death figures follow suit and begin to decrease. that more or less aligns with the projections of deaths peaking on or about april 15

[ChumpDumper]

1247279994126073860Trump sent them companies that were already there?

What a fucking clown.

[Spurs Homer]

who are 'they'? boutons and Spurs Homer?

I think they're probably pissed off more older, white people haven't died yet... but that's the bar there...


only stupid people hang on a lying criminals words -which are always lies-

the criminal will claim victory regardless of any outcome

today - this wonder malaria drug
tomorrow- something else

next week - something else-

i knew years ago this would not end well- and stated it


now we are getting exactly what we paid for

it is impossible to ever end in any good way- shitshows never end well

[Splits]

Numbers of cases down by half though for the second straight day. We're right on top of the peak window.

Sorry to inform ya scrah, but once you hit that peak, it sustains ~15 days. I'm not convinced there's not one more spike before peak though, weekend reporting numbers are always funny.

[Will Hunting]

Sorry to inform ya scrah, but once you hit that peak, it sustains ~15 days. I'm not convinced there's not one more spike before peak though, weekend reporting numbers are always funny.
Seeing that the subways in NY are still jam packed every day, I don’t see why people think we’re already at the top. Imo we’re going to see 1k+ deaths per day for the whole month of April and if we’re lucky it slows down in May.

[boutons_deux]

India just dealt a massive blow to Trump’s promotion of unproven COVID-19 drug

India has now cut off all its exports of hydroxychloroquine, which is particularly troublesome given that

the United States receives roughly half its supply of the drug from India.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/india-may-have-dealt-a-massive-blow-to-trumps-plan-to-fight-covid-19-with-unproven-malaria-drug/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/india-may-have-dealt-a-massive-blow-to-trumps-plan-to-fight-covid-19-with-unproven-malaria-drug/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[Will Hunting]

Jesus Christ, I’m standing outside waiting in line at Trader Joe’s and the bums are using it as an opportunity to aggressively panhandle. These fuckers should be rounded up.

[TSA]

India just dealt a massive blow to Trump’s promotion of unproven COVID-19 drug

India has now cut off all its exports of hydroxychloroquine, which is particularly troublesome given that

the United States receives roughly half its supply of the drug from India.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/india-may-have-dealt-a-massive-blow-to-trumps-plan-to-fight-covid-19-with-unproven-malaria-drug/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/india-may-have-dealt-a-massive-blow-to-trumps-plan-to-fight-covid-19-with-unproven-malaria-drug/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)




https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1247229656593391616

[midnightpulp]

Some hydroxy caveats.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1247282123926433792/photo/1
1246523470516817923

Not trying to be pessimist here, but this probably works like any other drugs, efficacy in some patients, useless/dangerous in others. <<<That is what Fauci is getting at. We can't just christen it a universal treatment until clinical trials are done.

[Reck]

Sorry to inform ya scrah, but once you hit that peak, it sustains ~15 days. I'm not convinced there's not one more spike before peak though, weekend reporting numbers are always funny.

There are 3 possibilities once we hit the apex.

1. We hit the peak, we take a precipitously drop and see numbers drop dramatically at same time.
2. Meet apex then plateau for days, seeing new cases but staying steady and not increase.
3. Much like the first option but this one is a lot more steeper then a drop.

Per Cuomo. 2:03

https://youtu.be/dkor_PALUz4?t=123

[Thread]

Jesus Christ, I’m standing outside waiting in line at Trader Joe’s and the bums are using it as an opportunity to aggressively panhandle. These fuckers should be rounded up.

You're waiting to get in because they're only letting so many in at a time, Will?

How long have you waited so far?

[boutons_deux]

Big pharma-funded group founded by billionaire Trump backer tied to president’s promotion of malaria drug for COVID-19

a top Trump backer’s advocacy group, fueled with funds from Big Pharma,

“has been pushing Trump to approve the use of hydroxychloroquine for treating COVID-19.”

Home Depot founder and billionaire right wing activist Bernie Marcus (https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/?s=Bernie+Marcus) founded the non-profit group Job Creators Network,

which works for right wing causes including lower taxes, less regulations, and so-called “free-market solutions.” :lol

the pharmaceutical industry has funded Marcus’ Job Creators Network, which

“has been pushing” Trump “to make the drug available.”

“On March 26, Job Creators Network, a conservative dark money nonprofit,

launched a petition (https://web.archive.org/web/20200325231650/http://www.healthcareforyou.com/coronavirus-petition/),

a series of Facebook ads (https://www.wsj.com/articles/conservative-group-pushes-for-fda-approval-of-drug-to-treat-coronavirus-11585229415?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/5rakc6KA4h), and

a blast text message (https://twitter.com/MarkELindsay/status/1242848026001133575) campaign

calling on Trump to ‘cut the red tape’ and immediately make hydroxychloroquine available to treat patients,”

The petition is a collaboration with the Koch Brothers funded group Physicians for Reform.

“There is clear and ever-mounting evidence that the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine can significantly help patients who contract coronavirus,” the petition states, despite the lack of rigorous clinical testing.

Job Creators Network has been funded by
Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA),

a drug industry trade that counts among its members leading hydroxychloroquine makers
Novartis,
Teva Pharmaceuticals, and
Bayer.

According to tax documents, PhRMA donated $500,000 to Job Creators Network in 2017.

Those three companies could make millions if not billions if hydroxychloroquine were found to be a cure for COVID-19.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/big-pharma-funded-group-founded-by-billionaire-trump-backer-tied-to-presidents-promotion-of-malaria-drug-for-covid-19/

[Thread]

Some hydroxy caveats.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1247282123926433792/photo/1
1246523470516817923

Not trying to be pessimist here, but this probably works like any other drugs, efficacy in some patients, useless/dangerous in others. <<<That is what Fauci is getting at. We can't just christen it a universal treatment until clinical trials are done.

Fine, leave it up to the patientPERIOD

[weebo]

Here's a recent study published in the FMJ referencing HCQ and its efficacy tx CV-19:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858?via%3Dihub

[Nathan89]

"The disposable Go2Vent can be set up within minutes and discarded after use by a single patient. It can be operated on a compressor and could provide ventilatory support for up to 30 days."

"The companies aim to produce 150,000 to 200,000 devices a month by June and could produce as many as 1 million ventilators in the coming months. They project making 40,000 ventilators this month alone. The Go2Vent is already FDA approved, has been on the market for years, doesn’t require electricity and is relatively inexpensive."

"Xerox plans to charge hospitals approximately $120 per unit."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/xerox-plans-produce-disposable-ventilators-n1177551

[boutons_deux]

Some hydroxy caveats.

Not trying to be pessimist here, but this probably works like any other drugs, efficacy in some patients, useless/dangerous in others. <<<That is what Fauci is getting at. We can't just christen it a universal treatment until clinical trials are done.

vision? I read it can cause macular degeneration

the list of known side effects is VERY long

[Thread]

Fine, leave it up to the patientPERIOD

Dale

[midnightpulp]

Here's a recent study published in the FMJ referencing HCQ and its efficacy tx CV-19:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858?via%3Dihub

The "hope" here is the qualifier "severe." Maybe it has greater efficacy with mild cases in preventing them from growing to severe?

[weebo]

Here's a recent study published in the FMJ referencing HCQ and its efficacy tx CV-19:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858?via%3Dihub

Here's one that shows more promise; its an immunosuppressive drug for tx RA:

https://www.cancernetwork.com/news/fda-approves-phase-iii-clinical-trial-tocilizumab-covid-19-pneumonia

[midnightpulp]

Here's one that shows more promise; its an immunosuppressive drug for tx RA:

https://www.cancernetwork.com/news/fda-approves-phase-iii-clinical-trial-tocilizumab-covid-19-pneumonia

:tu hopefully we'll get one of these treatments to hit the jackpot.

[spurraider21]

Jesus Christ, I’m standing outside waiting in line at Trader Joe’s and the bums are using it as an opportunity to aggressively panhandle. These fuckers should be rounded up.
we've got the same thing with lines outside of Trader Joes... but honestly i dont mind the tradeoff. the thing i've always hated most about them as how congested the aisles are and how packed the store is. it's been much nicer last couple of weeks, even if i have to stand outside for 5-10 min

[boutons_deux]

Fox guest describes malaria drug as 'quack cure' for coronavirus

"That is nonsense, complete and utter nonsense," Access Health International Chairman William Haseltine said

Haseltine said that it was "sad" to see

people in positions of authority promoting usage of the drug without sufficient tests for its effectiveness.

"In any situation, there are always going to be people who promote one kind of quack cure or another, and there are Lazarus effects. In every epidemic I’ve ever looked at, that is the case,"

"It is not something to take unless a doctor prescribes it,"

the drug has side effects that could be dangerous to some people.

health experts say has not been proved to treat the coronavirus.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/491441-fox-guest-describes-malaria-drug-as-quack-cure-for-coronavirus

Heckuva job, Donny (who's paying you to sell snake oil?)

[midnightpulp]

Seeing that the subways in NY are still jam packed every day, I don’t see why people think we’re already at the top. Imo we’re going to see 1k+ deaths per day for the whole month of April and if we’re lucky it slows down in May.

What we have to hope for here is that upper bound of undiagnosed cases is true, some believe it could be 50x-100x greater than the confirmed case count. If 50x is the case, as many as 6 million New Yorkers had/have it, which means they'll reach a herd immunity relatively quickly and the case and death rates will exponentially plummet over the next month or so.

[weebo]

The "hope" here is the qualifier "severe." Maybe it has greater efficacy with mild cases in preventing them from growing to severe?

According to the study, pts under study presented with mild s/s and 85% were afebrile (one of the major signs of the disease)--this suggest that pts would have likely cleared the disease naturally and without intervention.

Dr Fauci is right on this one.

[weebo]

:tu hopefully we'll get one of these treatments to hit the jackpot.

2-5 months is what we're hoping for...but it looks promising.

[Will Hunting]

You're waiting to get in because they're only letting so many in at a time, Will?

How long have you waited so far?
Waited about ~10 minutes. As SR said once you get in it’s fine. Shelves are fully stocked and there isn’t the congestion you typically see. The grimy aggressive homeless people who want to walk up closely to you are awful though.

[Splits]

There are 3 possibilities once we hit the apex.

1. We hit the peak, we take a precipitously drop and see numbers drop dramatically at same time.
2. Meet apex then plateau for days, seeing new cases but staying steady and not increase.
3. Much like the first option but this one is a lot more steeper then a drop.

Per Cuomo. 2:03

https://youtu.be/dkor_PALUz4?t=123

Trust me. It's #2. It has happened over and over, I've been living through it. You hit peak, you bounce between the 3-day moving average at 30% up and down for 2-3 weeks.

The huge backlog in NY/NJ, that's the real statistical unknown and danger

[Monostradamus]

Some hydroxy caveats.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1247282123926433792/photo/1
1246523470516817923

Not trying to be pessimist here, but this probably works like any other drugs, efficacy in some patients, useless/dangerous in others. <<<That is what Fauci is getting at. We can't just christen it a universal treatment until clinical trials are done.
:cry you just want Trump to lose :cry
/SnakeBoy

[picnroll]

2-5 months is what we're hoping for...but it looks promising.

That’s the one I posted about yesterday and agree of what’s been talked about looks the most promising. Just the fact it’s in phase III is encouraging.

[MannyIsGod]

Read this instead

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3265313/

I read that one weeks ago! Need one on the new virus.

[MannyIsGod]

I honestly am not sure what to think about the hydro medication. So much nonsense about it flying around. Hope it works though.

[midnightpulp]

These people need to learn how math works:

1247188062402154497

Yes, if we do fall below 100K, it'll because of the lockdown and social distancing efforts.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/3/26/21193851/coronavirus-covid-19-staying-home-social-distancing

Just 4 people staying home had a huge effect on taming exponential spread.

[boutons_deux]

"Several say" Trump country, older, poorer, no ICU or even hospital or doctor in the county, will get hit very hard.

[Bynumite]

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2017/12/29/09/called-it.gif

[midnightpulp]

Interesting graph from an epidemiologist.

https://twitter.com/cmyeaton/status/1247143271522095104/photo/1

Black bars are "influenza like illnesses" not diagnosed as the flu. In many regions, these mysterious non-flu respiratory illness spiked in December/Jan at a rate about as high as past flu seasons. The encouraging thing here is that Covid has been with us since December, translating into who knows how many unconfirmed (and recovered) cases (which will significantly lower the CFR). Hopefully this could mean we're closer to herd immunity than we think (not nationwide, but regionwide) in certain regions. Obviously we'll need serological tests to confirm.

[GAustex]

Cool. I'll do 20 minutes then.
I wonder if douching the mask with isopropyl alcohol works also?
I would think so.
I only have 5 masks

[SnakeBoy]

I honestly am not sure what to think about the hydro medication. So much nonsense about it flying around. Hope it works though.

I wouldn't make much from that report weebo posted. 11 patient test group and they picked 5 cancer pts, 1 HIV pt, and two fatties.

[boutons_deux]

Interesting graph from an epidemiologist.

https://twitter.com/cmyeaton/status/1247143271522095104/photo/1

Black bars are "influenza like illnesses" not diagnosed as the flu. In many regions, these mysterious non-flu respiratory illness spiked in December/Jan at a rate about as high as past flu seasons. The encouraging thing here is that Covid has been with us since December, translating into who knows how many unconfirmed (and recovered) cases (which will significantly lower the CFR). Hopefully this could mean we're closer to herd immunity than we think (not nationwide, but regionwide) in certain regions. Obviously we'll need serological tests to confirm.

no herd immunity until a huge percentage of the herd has been infected or vaccinated. iow, we are nowhere near herd immunity

eg, 125K infected in NY state, 8.3M in the NYC herd

flu is known to be seasonal

there is no evidence that earlier outbreaks of corona viruses were seasonal

[Reck]

So no one from ST has gotten infected? We're assholes to each other but at least we respect the law and healthy guidence thrust upon us. I'm proud of you motherfuckers. :cry

Keep staying safe.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm out and about every day but doing a shitload of handwashing, Clorox wipes anytime I go in anywhere, fishing masks after today when I'm out, etc. Cant work from home and do what we do.

[slick'81]

So no one from ST has gotten infected? We're assholes to each other but at least we respect the law and healthy guidence thrust upon us. I'm proud of you motherfuckers. :cry

Keep staying safe.

were trying reck:toast

[CosmicCowboy]

That PPP program for small businesses is the bomb. Hopefully the assholes that laid off their people at the first chance are gonna miss out. Serves em fucking right.

[CosmicCowboy]

If I get this shit I'm calling a GTG and coughing on boutons and spurs homer.

[Monostradamus]

I honestly am not sure what to think about the hydro medication. So much nonsense about it flying around. Hope it works though.
:cry you just want Trump to lose :cry

[boutons_deux]

I wonder if douching the mask with isopropyl alcohol works also?
I would think so.
I only have 5 masks

I'm waiting for 20 from Banggood (if Trash's goons don't steal them at customs)

I think, if the material isn't degraded with alcohol, then alcohol before and after wearing sounds good

I cannot find 70% isopropyl alcohol or H2O2 at Walgreens, HEB, Walmart. they are on the same shelves, which are empty.

[DarrinS]

I wonder if douching the mask with isopropyl alcohol works also?
I would think so.
I only have 5 masks

Probably. That oven method is pretty easy tho.

[hater]

I think we all distracted with this coronavirus shit and missing the point that the 2nd crisis will hit hard. The 2nd crisis will be joblessness, poverty and complete meltdown of our financial society. It almost seems like the governments want to disctract you from seeing that after corona it will be a brutal few years.

ppl should be already preparing for what's coming. you nigs need to think and live months ahead of regular folk if you wanna survive

[DarrinS]

I'm waiting for 20 from Banggood (if Trash's goons don't steal them at customs)

I think, if the material isn't degraded with alcohol, then alcohol before and after wearing sounds good

I cannot find 70% isopropyl alcohol or H2O2 at Walgreens, HEB, Walmart. they are on the same shelves, which are empty.

Try CVS

[Spurminator]

Nm

[DarrinS]

I think we all distracted with this coronavirus shit and missing the point that the 2nd crisis will hit hard. The 2nd crisis will be joblessness, poverty and complete meltdown of our financial society. It almost seems like the governments want to disctract you from seeing that after corona it will be a brutal few years.

ppl should be already preparing for what's coming. you nigs need to think and live months ahead of regular folk if you wanna survive


You should get a job writing Hallmark cards.

[spurraider21]

You should get a job writing Hallmark cards.
Happy Birthday!

Called it :tu

Sincerely,
hater

[hater]

You should get a job writing Hallmark cards.

:lol

[GAustex]

Probably. That oven method is pretty easy tho.
Does 175 ^ F melt the rubber band?
I should know.

[midnightpulp]

no herd immunity until a huge percentage of the herd has been infected or vaccinated. iow, we are nowhere near herd immunity

eg, 125K infected in NY state, 8.3M in the NYC herd

flu is known to be seasonal

there is no evidence that earlier outbreaks of corona viruses were seasonal

That's just confirmed cases of people who were sick enough to get tested since testing began a few weeks ago in the state. 125k isn't anywhere near close to the amount of actual cases there are or have been in the city. The estimate is that the "official" case count undercounts anywhere from 5X to 100x. If 3 million in NYC have already gotten this, that puts the city closer to herd immunity.

Don't get the boded point? The graph isn't examining seasonality. Covid didn't just magically arrive in the US with its first confirmed case. The graph is examining how influenza-like-illnesses spiked to levels never before seen starting in December. What the author is inferring here is that the Covid infection rate will start to settle down because it'll run out of "virgin" people to infect because an untold amount of people have already been infected from Dec to early March. Combining this likelihood with social distancing measures should, hopefully, slow the infection rate down to very manageable levels over the next weeks.

[SnakeBoy]

So no one from ST has gotten infected? We're assholes to each other but at least we respect the law and healthy guidence thrust upon us. I'm proud of you motherfuckers. :cry

Keep staying safe.

I've already had it

[CosmicCowboy]

That's just confirmed cases of people who were sick enough to get tested since testing began a few weeks ago in the state. 125k isn't anywhere near close to the amount of actual cases there are or have been in the city. The estimate is that the "official" case count undercounts anywhere from 5X to 100x. If 3 million in NYC have already gotten this, that puts the city closer to herd immunity.

Don't get the boded point? The graph isn't examining seasonality. Covid didn't just magically arrive in the US with its first confirmed case. The graph is examining how influenza-like-illnesses spiked to levels never before seen starting in December. What the author is inferring here is that the Covid infection rate will start to settle down because it'll run out of "virgin" people to infect because an untold amount of people have already been infected from Dec to early March. Combining this likelihood with social distancing measures should, hopefully, slow the infection rate down to very manageable levels over the next weeks.

I think that's an overly optimistic scenario but hope you are right.

[spurraider21]

I think that's an overly optimistic scenario but hope you are right.
https://media.tenor.com/images/baa6af51c1c5907d0e01fe630494eba6/tenor.gif

[DarrinS]

I've already had it

Really?

[midnightpulp]

I think that's an overly optimistic scenario but hope you are right.

Yeah, 3 million is a big IF. We won't get a clear picture of real spread until mass antibody testing.

[DarrinS]

Does 175 ^ F melt the rubber band?
I should know.


It didn't on mine. I'm just using basic surgical mask.

[DarrinS]

Yeah, 3 million is a big IF. We won't get a clear picture of real spread until mass antibody testing.

This is what we need

[TSA]

I don't think that you're going to have to say that the country can not get back to a real degree of normalcy until you absolutely have a safe and effective vaccine."

[hater]

Facci with the truth nukes :tu

[ChumpDumper]

"Lord"?

[TimDunkem]

Happy Birthday!

Called it :tu

Sincerely,
hater

:lol

[Monostradamus]

Doctors bad now :lmao Trump laid out the cheese and of course his dipshit worshippers are here to nibble away.

[ChumpDumper]

Doctors bad now :lmao Trump laid out the cheese and of course his dipshit worshippers are here to nibble away.They're no social scientists, that's for sure.

[SnakeBoy]

Really?

99% sure

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1247229656593391616?s=19

Trump

[boutons_deux]

If 3 million in NYC have already gotten this, that puts the city closer to herd immunity.


"For some diseases, herd immunity can go into effect when 40 percent (https://www.historyofvaccines.org/index.php/content/herd-immunity-0) of the people in a population become immune to the disease, such as through vaccination.

But in most cases, 80 to 95 percent of the population must be immune to the disease to stop its spread."

https://www.healthline.com/health/herd-immunity#how-it-works

are you implying that the covid-19 virus has been in USA longer than the Seattle outbreak?

If was only about Nov or Dec that the Chinese, with DNA samples sent around the world for analysis, concluded that the covid-19 virus had not been seen before. "novel" new

[boutons_deux]

4 grocery workers dead

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1247313948854140929?s=19

[GAustex]

I've already had it
I think I have had it but the hospital said I had diverticulitis. I was hospitalized for four days in Feb. 5 days after flying on a plane and four days straight visiting my mum who was in the hospital from, an infection, complications to kidney stone removal.

It kicked my ass but did not attack my lungs. It hit me in my digestive system and kicked my ass. High fever, chills, shaking uncontrollably. The nurses who cared for me are saints cause it was not pretty.

I am suspicious of the diagnosis of diverticulitis. I have read that my symptoms are somewhat common for the corona and recall Kathy Griffin complained of the same symptoms.

Google “corona abdominal symptoms”. This is what I had. I am back home and my hometown PCP has no time for my theories so he will not test me.

This was back in mid Feb and I am still goofed up. I think I got it on the plane or while visiting my sick mum in the hospital.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1247313948854140929?s=19Trump's twitter account is still active, so....

[Chris]

Trump's twitter account is still active, so....

ding

[ChumpDumper]

dingHas Trump spread misinformation about COVID-19?

Yes or no.

[boutons_deux]

There are other reports that hospital mgmts have threatened to fire any employee who goes public about being forced to work without protection, to being denied from using their own professional or homemade equipment.

[Reck]

Trump's twitter account is still active, so....

Or Posebiec's.

Maybe I'll believe the theory if twitter started with his.

[Spurminator]

Doctors bad now :lmao Trump laid out the cheese and of course his dipshit worshippers are here to nibble away.

No one who makes TSA's god look foolish can be tolerated. What a piece of shit.

[Spurtacular]

Has Trump spread misinformation about COVID-19?

Yes or no.

Did he tell people they could keep their doctor and then they couldn't?