**Official 2020-2021 Las Vegas Raiders Thread**

[spurraider21]

Raiders officially announced their name change to the Las Vegas Raiders

Vegas is also hosting the 2020 NFL Draft

Allegiant Stadium aka the Death Star will be operational for the start of the season :tu

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[Millennial_Messiah]

Can you get a more perfect name for a Vegas team than Raiders? Seriously. "Golden Knights" was lame, especially when you have so many casino, gaming etc references

It's a great move, collectively the team will save over a billion dollars a year in state income taxes alone.

[The Gemini Method]

There's a second stadium opening next year? Cool.

[spurraider21]

Derek Carr in a nutshell... good arm talent and great ball placement, with a weird reluctance to make good use of those traits

The talent:

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Avoiding using that talent:

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that's going to be the barometer this year. if he doesn't dial up the aggressiveness, that's when it might be time to explore options in the draft. next year is a good QB class, and not just with Lawrence, but also Fields and Lance

[spurraider21]

"Way too early" predictions as requested by @millenial_messiah

@ Carolina - W
vs New Orleans - L
@ New England - W
vs Buffalo - W
@ Kansas City - L
bye
vs Tampa Bay - L
@ Cleveland - W
@ LA Chargers - W
vs Denver - W
vs Kansas City - L
@ Atlanta - L
@ NYJ - W
vs Indianapolis - W
vs Miami - W
@ Denver - L

final record: 9-7

[Millennial_Messiah]

"Way too early" predictions as requested by @millenial_messiah

@ Carolina - W
vs New Orleans - L
@ New England - W
vs Buffalo - W
@ Kansas City - L
bye
vs Tampa Bay - L
@ Cleveland - W
@ LA Chargers - W
vs Denver - W
vs Kansas City - L
@ Atlanta - L
@ NYJ - W
vs Indianapolis - W
vs Miami - W
@ Denver - L

final record: 9-7

pretty much what I have except I have them splitting KC and handing KC one of their only 3 losses of the season. I have them winning 10 and then resting their starters week 17 @ denver because they're already locked into a certain spot.

I also have the afc east winner and runner up each at 8-8. It's going to be an atrocious division considering they have to face the NFC Best and the two-pronged AFC West.


Remember though, 9-7 teams are much more likely to get a playoff birth now that the playoffs are expanded from 12 to 14 teams.

[spurraider21]

just bought tix for season opener @ Carolina

[Millennial_Messiah]

just bought tix for season opener @ Carolina

did the panthers people down in charlotte affirm to you that you'd get a full refund if it gets postponed or cancelled?

[spurraider21]

did the panthers people down in charlotte affirm to you that you'd get a full refund if it gets postponed or cancelled?
bought it from ticketmaster, who has a refund guarantee for primary and secondary sales

[Spurtacular]

Can you get a more perfect name for a Vegas team than Raiders?

Would love to see the Raiders brand die. I doubt it'll ever happen. They have a strong foothold in the lowlife market. Same reason the White Sox not gonna stop selling their traditional hats.

[spurraider21]

Would love to see the Raiders brand die. I doubt it'll ever happen. They have a strong foothold in the lowlife market. Same reason the White Sox not gonna stop selling their traditional hats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq-kEM4yV1I

:lmao francine tarnekton

[spurraider21]

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[Millennial_Messiah]

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Maybe the best comp is Stefon Diggs after all

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Carolina has a very very potent passing offense this year. Our defense is cheese.

[spurraider21]

Carolina has a very very potent passing offense this year. Our defense is cheese.
hard to imagine a bridgwater passing game being very very potent... though he should be able to feed CMC

[Millennial_Messiah]

Carolina has a very very potent passing offense this year. Our defense is cheese.

:lmao Bridgewater can't throw past 15 yards. Which is fine when you have Michael Thomas and Kamara as your main receiving targets but if it's CMC and nobody else then you're fucked.

Carolina is going 1-15 and getting Trevor Lawrence. Stays in the same general vicinity as his college.

[spurraider21]

nothing potent about this dude tbh. even with that saints offense he was throwing 150 yards per game :lol

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[Millennial_Messiah]

nothing potent about this dude tbh. even with that saints offense he was throwing 150 yards per game :lol

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yeah, it's funny, thomas' statlines were like 14 catches for 80 yards.

Is Thomas the GOAT "Possession Receiver" tbh?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lmao Bridgewater can't throw past 15 yards. Which is fine when you have Michael Thomas and Kamara as your main receiving targets but if it's CMC and nobody else then you're fucked.

Carolina is going 1-15 and getting Trevor Lawrence. Stays in the same general vicinity as his college.

DJ Moore, Robby Anderson and Curtis Samuel. All Teddy needs to do it get it in their hands. Which he will do. Our offense will be potent.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Boys needs to do research saying Carolina doesnt have weapons. Arguably best skill position outside of KC. And the stats say thats even debatable.

Three 1000 yard receivers on the team and Curtis Samuel who had 700 yards and over 400 yards of missed plays (Kyle Allen missed 9!! deep ball throws)

Joe Brady our OC worked under Sean Payton and just led LSU to shatter all Passing college records

Vegas will find out

[spurraider21]

Boys needs to do research saying Carolina doesnt have weapons. Arguably best skill position outside of KC. And the stats say thats even debatable.

Three 1000 yard receivers on the team and Curtis Samuel who had 700 yards and over 400 yards of missed plays (Kyle Allen missed 9!! deep ball throws)

Joe Brady our OC worked under Sean Payton and just led LSU to shatter all Passing college records

Vegas will find out
CMC and DJ Moore are YAC monsters, no doubt. Robby is mostly one dimensional (though he has shown flashes of more all-around play), but is far superior to Samuel. those 2 have speed but aren't great players.

teddy should be able to feed CMC and Moore and let them do all the work after the catch. bridgewater should definitely be a better version of whatever Kyle Allen was, but he's no gamebreaker. their offense should improve but they were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league last year, so even if they get better i still dont think they'll be in the upper echelon. feel the same way about the raiders. offense should improve from where they were, but i dont think they'll be keeping up with the chiefs in shootouts :lol

panthers were also abysmal on defense and didnt do too much to address it (first round pick went to a run stuffing d-tackle, but they still suck at the second and third levels)

[spurraider21]

oh boy

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there was already a very slim chance Tyrell was going to be back next season at his salary. foregone conclusion now. i loved edwards in this draft, and he's been getting some hype in camp. well now he's going to have the opportunity to prove that its real. still, 2 starting outside receivers being rookies doesnt bode well. gonna keep leaning on that run game and waller/renfrow in the short game

[Millennial_Messiah]

DJ Moore, Robby Anderson and Curtis Samuel. All Teddy needs to do it get it in their hands. Which he will do. Our offense will be potent.
Those 3 are JAGs. And definitely NOT better than say what the Bucs had (Evans, Vincent Jackson, etc) the year they went 2-14 a few years back. A few average WRs don't make a poor QB who can't throw past 15 yards succeed at football, especially when your O-Line is trash (aside from Michael Thomas the GOAT possession receiver, the enormous difference between the Saints O-Line and the Panthers' makeshift terrible line will render Bridgewater useless compared to the competent bus driver he was last year). Lousy roster overall. Completely at the beginning of rebuild mode. 2-14.

[Millennial_Messiah]

CMC and DJ Moore are YAC monsters, no doubt. Robby is mostly one dimensional (though he has shown flashes of more all-around play), but is far superior to Samuel. those 2 have speed but aren't great players.

panthers were also abysmal on defense and didnt do too much to address it (first round pick went to a run stuffing d-tackle, but they still suck at the second and third levels)
They lost Kuechly, Addison, McCoy, Poe, Reid, and Bradberry. Like, holy shit. They don't have a defense at all at this point.

Their offensive line is bottom-5 in the NFL. Easily.

Bridgewater to Michael Thomas worked last year because the o-line held up at a top-5 pass protection level as they usually do, and Michael Thomas is Michael Thomas. If you have Michael Thomas and a great O-line you can get away with shit, with the flat to Kamara a solid option. Screens and short throws alone won't cut it in Carolina with that piss poor offense. As far as YAC, without the deep threat the defense can stack the box and send a LB/safety to kill the screens and short stuff all day. It won't work. Bridgewater can't throw deep or even medium-deep.

2-14. And that's being generous and giving them wins over the lowly Broncos and Chargers.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Yikes. I guess this is why people that don’t follow teams or players shouldnt make uneducated opinions

[Holden_Caulfield]

bryan edwards szn boys. rip tyrell

[spurraider21]

Yikes. I guess this is why people that don’t follow teams or players shouldnt make uneducated opinions
You praised me for my research when i was complimenting the Panthers front 7 acquisitions last year, but poopoo my takes when i say critical things. Lol

[Darth_Pelican]

I'm still going to Vegas for the Saints-Raiders game, but pretty bummed that I won't get to be sitting in the new stadium for the game.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

You praised me for my research when i was complimenting the Panthers front 7 acquisitions last year, but poopoo my takes when i say critical things. Lol
Wasnt referring to you

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yikes. I guess this is why people that don’t follow teams or players shouldnt make uneducated opinions

Look, I watched a lot of Saints games the first half of last year. Bridgewater can barely throw past 10 yards. Which is fine if you have Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara. It's nice to have a Kamara clone in CMC, but they're going to be a one dimensional team because they can only run and throw short and their offensive line can't pass protect for shit.

Not to mention the mass exodus on defense and the lack of effort to replace the guys they lost in free agency. The draft, yeah, but rookies that aren't blue chip need time to develop.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I'm still going to Vegas for the Saints-Raiders game, but pretty bummed that I won't get to be sitting in the new stadium for the game.

have to wait 8 more years :( and if Biden wins football will soon be illegal due to the threat of injury and Mike Ditka statues torn down because he's not a leftard.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Look, I watched a lot of Saints games the first half of last year. Bridgewater can barely throw past 10 yards. Which is fine if you have Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara. It's nice to have a Kamara clone in CMC, but they're going to be a one dimensional team because they can only run and throw short and their offensive line can't pass protect for shit.

Not to mention the mass exodus on defense and the lack of effort to replace the guys they lost in free agency. The draft, yeah, but rookies that aren't blue chip need time to develop.

Lol.

First of all, McCaffrey is not a Kamara clone. Christian McCaffrey is the beat running back in football by far.

Secondly, yes Michael Thomas has good numbers, but the Saints offensive scheme, which Joe Brady was an integral part of for a few years, makes receivers stats inflated. The receivers that I mentioned on Carolina have more raw talent then almost every team in the league. They surely have speed, which is huge in this Joe Brady offense.

Its funny that you mention yardage as a basis for bashing Teddy. Here’s two stats for you: 9 TD/2 INT, and 6-0 ad a starter. In an identical offense to what he will be in this year, with a plethora of young, fast and quickly developing weapons at his disposal.

Our defense is inexperienced, but that is not what we were talking about. We are talking about the Carolina Panthers offense, and their weapons. When you have an offense-based coach, and a ton of weapons at the playmaking position, you are primed to win games via shootout. Playing in a difficult division helps for out of divsiion games. Home field advantage will not be a factor this year with the lack of fans, changing the dynamic of football completely, as home field advantage in football is huge. Add that in to the fact that every year a new head coach surprises people in year one and excel, I wouldnt put it past them to exceed expectations.

For me, I don’t give a fuck. I want Lawerence or Fields, but I’ not oblivious. Carolina, offensively, is a threat and a problem for any team in the league. If my team sucks, we have 80+ mill cap next year and a top pick. I’ll probably watch a lot of Patriots games for Cam.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Our

We

my team
Our? We?

Your team is the Patriots, as per your logo skin. They're going to go 7-9 with half their starters pussying out of the season but they still have Belichick and play in the worst division in football. They're not sniffing a top pick, however.

Enjoy that.

[spurraider21]

DJ Moore should be a good fit with Bridgewater. he doesnt really win deep but he wins at short/intermediate and is a YAC monster. i'm more skeptical of how the other receivers (Anderson/Samuel) are going to work in this offense. Ian Thomas at TE is an athletic upside guy but we've seen a bunch of those types come in and flame out at the position, so it's an unknown.

should be a good week 1 test for both teams.

the raiders linebackers in recent years have been among the worst in the league in coverage, and this offseason they spent a lot of money to bring in corey littleton who is one of the best coverage backers in the league. with that said, CMC is one of the best receiving backs in history (i think he could easily be a full time slot receiver and be a pro bowler there alone).

you also have an inexperienced WR group for the raiders against a pretty mediocre secondary

[spurraider21]

Its funny that you mention yardage as a basis for bashing Teddy. Here’s two stats for you: 9 TD/2 INT, and 6-0 ad a starter. In an identical offense to what he will be in this year, with a plethora of young, fast and quickly developing weapons at his disposal.
saints are a well oiled machine... Michael Thomas is a top 3 receiver and Jared Cook has been a 2nd tier TE (Kelce/Kittle) for the last few seasons. Kamara isn't as good as CMC, but he's arguably the closest thing. and the Saints OL is one of the best in the league, Carolina's is somewhat average.

[Millennial_Messiah]

saints are a well oiled machine... Michael Thomas is a top 3 receiver and Jared Cook has been a 2nd tier TE (Kelce/Kittle) for the last few seasons. Kamara isn't as good as CMC, but he's arguably the closest thing. and the Saints OL is one of the best in the league, Carolina's is somewhat average.

Can you even name one of their OL these days? They haven't been good since 2017 when they still had Norwell, Kalil and Turner in the middle. They're not "somewhat average", either. "Somewhat average" is, say, what the Patriots or Chiefs have. "Good" is what the Raiders have now, "elite" is what the Raiders and Cowboys had in 2016, the Colts in 2018 and like the Packers had in 2014 with an all-star cast of Bakhtiari-Sitton-Linsley-Lang-Bulaga all in their primes.

"Bad" OLine is what the Panthers have now, what teams like the Bucs, Arizona, LAC, Denver, etc have had for years.

I do think that Kamara looked more tired and "spent" last year than other years, I think the wear and tear of over-use his first two years got to him, hopefully he won't go the way of Gurley but the Saints are smart for not overpaying him at the moment. Look what happened with the Freeman and Gurley deals.

[Millennial_Messiah]

DJ Moore should be a good fit with Bridgewater. he doesnt really win deep but he wins at short/intermediate and is a YAC monster. i'm more skeptical of how the other receivers (Anderson/Samuel) are going to work in this offense. Ian Thomas at TE is an athletic upside guy but we've seen a bunch of those types come in and flame out at the position, so it's an unknown.

should be a good week 1 test for both teams.

the raiders linebackers in recent years have been among the worst in the league in coverage, and this offseason they spent a lot of money to bring in corey littleton who is one of the best coverage backers in the league. with that said, CMC is one of the best receiving backs in history (i think he could easily be a full time slot receiver and be a pro bowler there alone).

you also have an inexperienced WR group for the raiders against a pretty mediocre secondary
Also a lousy Raiders pass rush (lol Mayowa went back to Seattle) against a lousy offensive line. Lol. The Raiders definitely have advantage at QB and OL now that the Panthers DL from last year is gone. And they should be able to run at will now that Kuechly, Poe, McCoy, Butler etc are gone as well. They still have Kawann Short but he was their worst run stopping DT anyway. McCaffrey will get his, but by the second half, Gruden will shut down that limited offense that's overly reliant on YAC from McCaffrey, Moore etc because Bridgewater can't throw deep, tbh.

Raiders 27
Panthers 17

[spurraider21]

Can you even name one of their OL these days? They haven't been good since 2017 when they still had Norwell, Kalil and Turner in the middle. They're not "somewhat average", either. "Somewhat average" is, say, what the Patriots or Chiefs have. "Good" is what the Raiders have now, "elite" is what the Raiders and Cowboys had in 2016, the Colts in 2018 and like the Packers had in 2014 with an all-star cast of Bakhtiari-Sitton-Linsley-Lang-Bulaga all in their primes.

"Bad" OLine is what the Panthers have now, what teams like the Bucs, Arizona, LAC, Denver, etc have had for years.

I do think that Kamara looked more tired and "spent" last year than other years, I think the wear and tear of over-use his first two years got to him, hopefully he won't go the way of Gurley but the Saints are smart for not overpaying him at the moment. Look what happened with the Freeman and Gurley deals.
panthers just traded for Okung who is solid at LT and their RT Moton has been good for a few years now since being a 2nd round pick. i dont know anything about their guards, and i know they got Matt Paradis last year but from what i read he wasn't any good for them.

but having 2 good starting tackles makes them average despite having a nondescript interior. CMC isn't usually running up the guy anyway so the lack of interior blocking isn't a huge concern. the raiders pass rush is arguably better up the middle though... maurice hurst has been good and they just signed maliek collins from the cowboys. raiders edge rush is still pretty lousy. crosby did get 10 sacks for us last year, but its up to Ferrell and Nassib/Key to get more pressure.

[spurraider21]

Also a lousy Raiders pass rush (lol Mayowa went back to Seattle) against a lousy offensive line. Lol. The Raiders definitely have advantage at QB and OL now that the Panthers DL from last year is gone. And they should be able to run at will now that Kuechly, Poe, McCoy, Butler etc are gone as well. They still have Kawann Short but he was their worst run stopping DT anyway. McCaffrey will get his, but by the second half, Gruden will shut down that limited offense that's overly reliant on YAC from McCaffrey, Moore etc because Bridgewater can't throw deep, tbh.

Raiders 27
Panthers 17
panthers also drafted Derrick Brown in the first round who is a monster run defender. burns was a solid rookie edge rusher and they drafted another edge player in the 2nd round this year. they still have pretty good talent up front, though the raiders OL is pretty good, particularly in the interior. panthers issue is really everything else. the only good player they have in the back 7 is shaq thompson, but he's also coming off his least effective season in a while (no keuchly and thomas david to take pressure off him). their entire secondary is ???

[Millennial_Messiah]

panthers just traded for Okung who is solid at LT and their RT Moton has been good for a few years now since being a 2nd round pick. i dont know anything about their guards, and i know they got Matt Paradis last year but from what i read he wasn't any good for them.

but having 2 good starting tackles makes them average despite having a nondescript interior. CMC isn't usually running up the guy anyway so the lack of interior blocking isn't a huge concern. the raiders pass rush is arguably better up the middle though... maurice hurst has been good and they just signed maliek collins from the cowboys. raiders edge rush is still pretty lousy. crosby did get 10 sacks for us last year, but its up to Ferrell and Nassib/Key to get more pressure.

maliek collins is atrocious against the run, will provide push up front on 3rd and 5+ though.

just can't take a Bridgewater led offense seriously. They don't have guys like sean payton, michael thomas, that elite o-line, that saints defense etc. They are rock bottom in the division and one of the worst 5 teams in the NFL in 2020. They play in a division with 3 terrifying offenses and they have no secondary. I have them getting Trevor Lawrence. Jacksonville ends up with Dak Prescott, as I predicted all along (since last year).

[spurraider21]

maliek collins is atrocious against the run, will provide push up front on 3rd and 5+ though.

just can't take a Bridgewater led offense seriously. They don't have guys like sean payton, michael thomas, that elite o-line, that saints defense etc. They are rock bottom in the division and one of the worst 5 teams in the NFL in 2020. They play in a division with 3 terrifying offenses and they have no secondary. I have them getting Trevor Lawrence. Jacksonville ends up with Dak Prescott, as I predicted all along (since last year).
jaguars are the most obvious tank candidate. panthers maybe not too far behind. i dont think bridgewater is great but again, he should have a good connection with DJ Moore and obviously CMC. its more up to the defense to improve there

[Millennial_Messiah]

jaguars are the most obvious tank candidate. panthers maybe not too far behind. i dont think bridgewater is great but again, he should have a good connection with DJ Moore and obviously CMC. its more up to the defense to improve there

their defense is far inferior to jacksonville who still have some 2017 pieces like myles jack.

As far as bottom-5 teams, LAC is not too far behind. They might not be tanking, but they don't have a competent QB or OL. Cincinnati has a QB now but he's young and raw and the rest of their roster still stinks. And of course the Redskins or whatever they're called. Those are your distinct bottom-5.

[spurraider21]

their defense is far inferior to jacksonville who still have some 2017 pieces like myles jack.

As far as bottom-5 teams, LAC is not too far behind. They might not be tanking, but they don't have a competent QB or OL. Cincinnati has a QB now but he's young and raw and the rest of their roster still stinks. And of course the Redskins or whatever they're called. Those are your distinct bottom-5.
i dont think chargers are bad enough to tank. their defense is still stacked and they have good skill players on offense. tyrod was a disaster on cleveland but was always decent-ish for buffalo, so they could still be a winning team. if they lose a few games early and make the switch to herbert, their floor gets lower

[Millennial_Messiah]

i dont think chargers are bad enough to tank. their defense is still stacked and they have good skill players on offense. tyrod was a disaster on cleveland but was always decent-ish for buffalo, so they could still be a winning team. if they lose a few games early and make the switch to herbert, their floor gets lower
Which they will... look at their schedule.

Taylor is a backup tier QB who should only be starting if the starter gets injured for a game or two. He was only "decent" on a middling-to-bad few years of Buffalo teams because they always had a top tier OLine (most of which are gone now, ftr) and Shady McCoy in his prime. The Chargers have a bottom tier OLine like they always do (though, they did add the Packers' long time stalwart B. Bulaga but he doesn't have experience at LT and he'll likely be asked to play there, because who else?!) and their franchise running back is now playing for a division rival. They still have some weapons but not as many as in past years, and with Taylor as the starter they won't be maximized in any case.

Their first 5 games will tell a lot -- they start out in Cincinnati, it's Joe Burrow's first career game and it's at home, if the Bengals win then we already know it's going to be a very long year for the Chargers. Because 3 of their next 4 are sure losses and if they start 1-4, Herbert's coming in, and the Chargers are headed to 3-13 and another top 5 pick.

I probably value QB and HC more than the rest of the mainstream sports media. For the Chargers, both are garbage. Lynn is a complete joke who should have been fired after a dismal year with a roster that was much better last year than this year. Yeah, the Chargers have a nice secondary and 2 fringe pro bowl caliber pass rushers (one of which will either get overpaid or traded soon, the other is WAY overpaid) but their defense as a whole is middle tier, their linebackers have been trash for a long time now. I don't see it for that team in 2020.

[spurraider21]

:cry undefeated since relocating :cry

first home game in the new stadium next week... against the Saints. early schedule after week 1 looks pretty brutal. Saints, @ Pats, Bills, @ Chiefs, Bucs. if we can get out of that with a 3-3 record, will be in good shape with a lighter schedule beyond that

[Millennial_Messiah]

:cry undefeated since relocating :cry

first home game in the new stadium next week... against the Saints. early schedule after week 1 looks pretty brutal. Saints, @ Pats, Bills, @ Chiefs, Bucs. if we can get out of that with a 3-3 record, will be in good shape with a lighter schedule beyond that
I think you can beat BUF (most overrated/overhyped team of the year by far) but as for the rest, it's hard to find a third win. Maybe if Newton is hurt you can snag one at Foxborough.

[spurraider21]

damn you witten

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[Millennial_Messiah]

damn you witten

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Witten hasn't been an effective blocker since the 2016 season ended. Note the lack of long Zeke runs the past few years. And the Garrett Cowboys loved the 2TE, 3TE packages.

[phxspurfan]

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[phxspurfan]

...

[phxspurfan]

Wait wtf.; Why is this team even a thread

[spurraider21]

Wait wtf.; Why is this team even a thread
hi

[phxspurfan]

hi

I mean we love the Raiders but in Las Vegas, I mean cmon dude. You guys got cucked so bad. I wonder if people will even go to those games in 2021 (people from LV, not people who drive 14h from Oakland).

[spurraider21]

I mean we love the Raiders but in Las Vegas, I mean cmon dude. You guys got cucked so bad. I wonder if people will even go to those games in 2021 (people from LV, not people who drive 14h from Oakland).
who got cucked? i was born and raised in los angeles. i'd rather go to Vegas for a game than Oakland :lol

[phxspurfan]

who got cucked? i was born and raised in los angeles. i'd rather go to Vegas for a game than Oakland :lol

Oakland fans. The OG Raiders home


Def LV is a better destination by miles. But that team will forever be Oaktown

[spurraider21]

Oakland fans. The OG Raiders home


Def LV is a better destination by miles. But that team will forever be Oaktown
except when they were LA and won a superbowl

[Millennial_Messiah]

I mean we love the Raiders but in Las Vegas, I mean cmon dude. You guys got cucked so bad. I wonder if people will even go to those games in 2021 (people from LV, not people who drive 14h from Oakland).

Californians are diehard road warriors, they don't mind long drives tbh.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

who got cucked? i was born and raised in los angeles. i'd rather go to Vegas for a game than Oakland :lol
I now live out here in LA too. Vegas will have no problem filling up their stadium

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Vegas isnt even far from LA

[Darth_Pelican]

I fly into Vegas tomorrow to rep my team, even though I won't be able to attend the game which is a bummer. Yeah, Vegas sold out of their season tickets very quickly and the resale market for tickets will always be high because of the demand for away team fans travelling to see their team play there. Their stadium will always be full post covid.

[spurraider21]

I fly into Vegas tomorrow to rep my team, even though I won't be able to attend the game which is a bummer. Yeah, Vegas sold out of their season tickets very quickly and the resale market for tickets will always be high because of the demand for away team fans travelling to see their team play there. Their stadium will always be full post covid.
No fans at all this year anyway

[Spurtacular]

Hope I'm wrong; but Raiders might be good again.

[Spurtacular]

I fly into Vegas tomorrow to rep my team, even though I won't be able to attend the game which is a bummer. Yeah, Vegas sold out of their season tickets very quickly and the resale market for tickets will always be high because of the demand for away team fans travelling to see their team play there. Their stadium will always be full post covid.

Let me know how the casinos are; if everything is open or not. Especially let me know about William Hill if you do the sports betting.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Let me know how the casinos are; if everything is open or not. Especially let me know about William Hill if you do the sports betting.
What about the cheap women, tbh?

[Spurtacular]

What about the cheap women, tbh?

They're easy enough to find.

[spurraider21]

cant believe this shit almost cost us the game

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rocky start of both sides of the field to say the least but they rebounded. no michael thomas turned out to be huge, the rest of the saints receivers looked shaky

[spurraider21]

ruggs was VERY clearly held back the whole time the ball was in the air.. easy call. hard to run under the ball when your arm is hooked the whole time

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[Neo.]

defense still needs some work, but the raiders definitely got something brewing here. grudens done a good job.

[Millennial_Messiah]

ruggs was VERY clearly held back the whole time the ball was in the air.. easy call. hard to run under the ball when your arm is hooked the whole time

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hand fighting on 3rd and long, to virtually end the game... that's a bad call... also it could have gone either way since Ruggs' arm was extended as well. It was an objectively bad call. Let the players play in the guts of the game... I don't see any jersey grab, pushing, or head/helmet stuff. Keep the dirty yellow laundry in the hip pocket, zebras.

[spurraider21]

hand fighting on 3rd and long, to virtually end the game... that's a bad call... also it could have gone either way since Ruggs' arm was extended as well. It was an objectively bad call. Let the players play in the guts of the game... I don't see any jersey grab, pushing, or head/helmet stuff. Keep the dirty yellow laundry in the hip pocket, zebras.
:lol you're just still salty over the gallup call brah. jenkins had his arm hooking ruggs the whole time, like they were walking down the aisle or somethin :lol

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[spurraider21]

OL is badly beat up again, just like last year

Starting RT Trent Brown out
Backup RT Sam Young out
Backup G Denzelle Good has slid out to RT

Starting LG Richie Incognito now out, so rookie 4th string guard John Simpson is in at LG

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

OL is badly beat up again, just like last year

Starting RT Trent Brown out
Backup RT Sam Young out
Backup G Denzelle Good has slid out to RT

Starting LG Richie Incognito now out, so rookie 4th string guard John Simpson is in at LG
Yikes.

the type of shit to derail a season

[spurraider21]

Yikes.

the type of shit to derail a season
Gruden's quick passing game can survive something like that, but the run game is going to continue suffering. Jacobs is individually playing well but his ypc is below 4 because for every 2 good runs he makes, he gets blown up for a 3 yard loss

i know BB is going to attack that weakness relentlessly though

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol

https://twitter.com/themarcjohnnfl/status/1310720867442151425?s=21

I don't understand why teams didn't consistently do that against Brady's post-Randy Moss Pats teams, tbh. The Pats would be light 3 rings if so.

[spurraider21]

:lol

https://twitter.com/themarcjohnnfl/status/1310720867442151425?s=21
:lol saw this yesterday, embarrassing af

carr was so panicked when that happened... could have easily just taken a shot at the corner route at the top of the screen

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol saw this yesterday, embarrassing af

carr was so panicked when that happened... could have easily just taken a shot at the corner route at the top of the screen
>Carr
>take a shot (deep)

choose one

[spurraider21]

>Carr
>take a shot (deep)

choose one
derp: I'll choose both!

[spurraider21]

>Carr
>take a shot (deep)

choose one
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:hat

[IronMexican]

Based game today



So happy being able to watch it on CBS lately and not having to pirate the games as well. LA is Raider nation

[phxspurfan]

Raidahhs for real this year?

[spurraider21]

Raidahhs for real this year?
im not buying yet because their defense has still been pretty bad, though they did show signs of life against the Chiefs of all teams... but their Ruggs makes a huge difference for the offense.

the raiders offense for the past couple of years had been technically efficient and good, but they were never explosive. a lot of that fell on Carr for being conservative, but the common excuse was that he simply didnt have the weapons capable of attacking deep. ruggs appears to be lending credence to that theory.

the first 6 games of their season was seen as the real gauntlet... after opening at carolina they played the saints, patriots, bills, chiefs, and bucs. getting out of that stretch no worse than 3-3 is a big win

[spurraider21]

this would be massive (except collins, he hasnt been very good tbh). trent brown finally played his first full game of the season last week, getting incognito back after the bye means we'd have our full starting 5 OL playing together for the first time all season. Edwards is a necessary boundary receiver that we don't really have right now. Surprised Arnette is ready to come back so quickly. Would love to hear about Maurice Hurst though... he was on the COVID list, not injury. Wonder if he'll be able to come back following the bye as well. He's been our best defensive player this year.
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[DAF86]

im not buying yet because their defense has still been pretty bad, though they did show signs of life against the Chiefs of all teams... but their Ruggs makes a huge difference for the offense.

the raiders offense for the past couple of years had been technically efficient and good, but they were never explosive. a lot of that fell on Carr for being conservative, but the common excuse was that he simply didnt have the weapons capable of attacking deep. ruggs appears to be lending credence to that theory.

the first 6 games of their season was seen as the real gauntlet... after opening at carolina they played the saints, patriots, bills, chiefs, and bucs. getting out of that stretch no worse than 3-3 is a big win

Told you, tbh.


i find myself going a bit back and forth between lamb and jeudy. i think jeudy just has a higher floor, and is more likely to produce day 1. its why i've leaned that way

then again GM's dont make decisions based solely on who they think will be a safer rookie, and lamb definitely has the upside to become that #1, go-to receiver who you can count on for a tough catch through contact when chips are down


Which one is the fastest? Go with that one.

Sure, Lamb and Jeudy seem pretty good too but you rarely go wrong drafting out of the norm speed, tbh.

[SpursforSix]

Told you, tbh.





Sure, Lamb and Jeudy seem pretty good too but you rarely go wrong drafting out of the norm speed, tbh.

Sorry...I don't buy that. There's tons of college WR with great speed that never make it in the pros. Either because they can't catch or can't run good routes.

We usually only hear about the ones that do make the pros. Because they can actually catch and/or run good routes.

[DAF86]

Sorry...I don't buy that. There's tons of college WR with great speed that never make it in the pros. Either because they can't catch or can't run good routes.

We usually only hear about the ones that do make the pros. Because they can actually catch and/or run good routes.

Make them defensive backs or, worst case scenario, special team players. You can always find a place for game breaking speed, tbh. I'm not talking about regular fast players. I'm talking about special guys like Ruggs or Hill, who make some of the fastest guys in the NFL look slow.

[phxspurfan]

Told you, tbh.





Sure, Lamb and Jeudy seem pretty good too but you rarely go wrong drafting out of the norm speed, tbh.

I've watched a lot of Jeudy since I have him on my fantasy team. And everyone has watched a lot of Lamb bc the Cowboys are always on national TV. I'd say Lamb is your typical Oklahoma offense type WR. Fast as hell, shifty. Was perfect for Dak to throw too, and a perfect compliment to Cooper (possession guy), and Gallup (go route guy).

Jeudy seems like the typical Alabama WR. Possession guy. Pro athlete from a pro style system. Can produce from day 1. But guys like Lamb and Ruggs offer more upside on a given day bc of their ability to break the top off the defense. Jeudy can also, but just not as much as a guy like Ruggs or Lamb. I'd also throw Aiyuk from ASU in there as one of those game breaker type talents.



Sorry...I don't buy that. There's tons of college WR with great speed that never make it in the pros. Either because they can't catch or can't run good routes.

We usually only hear about the ones that do make the pros. Because they can actually catch and/or run good routes.

This is why great offenses need both types. Big possession receivers like Cooper and Jeudy provide security blankets to eat up 10 targets a game on slant routes, while the speed guys are always a threat or just a good decoy. But yeah history is littered with speed guys who never put it all together bc they had the dropsies (Ted Ginn Jr, DHB, Cordarrelle Patterson, etc)


Random aside: Seattle looks scary on offense now btw, with the emergence of DK Metcalf as their Randy Moss lite, and the perfect compliment to speedster Lockett. If Carson can stay healthy, they are favorites to make the NFC championship IMO. And a Seahawks-Chefs SB would be beautiful to watch.

[spurraider21]

its pretty clear Gruden was trying to match KC somewhat... he envisions Waller/Ruggs as his version of Kelce/Hill

[spurraider21]

fat fuck Trent Brown put on COVID list, and entire starting OL was sent home due to protocol for having been in close contact with him

:lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

fat fuck Trent Brown put on COVID list, and entire starting OL was sent home due to protocol for having been in close contact with him

:lol
cue the "league always favors Brady" jokes tbh.

[spurraider21]

:lmao trent brown back on the covid list

he's played 1 game all season. missed 5 games last season too.

incognito's been out since week 2 and isnt coming back this week either. cant believe im saying it but Tom Cable has done a great job keeping this unit afloat

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao trent brown back on the covid list

he's played 1 game all season. missed 5 games last season too.

incognito's been out since week 2 and isnt coming back this week either. cant believe im saying it but Tom Cable has done a great job keeping this unit afloat
lesson to Gruden: never, ever sign a Patriots former player for big money, unless it's Brady

[spurraider21]

lesson to Gruden: never, ever sign a Patriots former player for big money, unless it's Brady
chandler jones has worked out for arizona

[Millennial_Messiah]

chandler jones has worked out for arizona

agreed, but he's been injured a little under half the time, and now the first year that they're good with him in an AZ jersey, he gets hurt early in the season and is out for the year. Bad ROI.

[spurraider21]

not only is trent brown out, but now LT Kolton Miller is a GTD

[spurraider21]

Trent Brown expected out a month.

He has played through 1 game this season

[Millennial_Messiah]

Trent Brown expected out a month.

He has played through 1 game this season

Gruden special signing an oft injured right tackle to 18 million a year.

[spurraider21]

narrow win... 4-1 on the road now

5-3 overall with a home game against the broncos next week. should be a win. then a home game against the chiefs.

only questions i have right now is player health. will kolton miller be able to play next week? is richie incognito near returning? will damon arnette play? was mullen's injury serious? raiders missing tackles really limited their playcalling options

[spurraider21]

won the games we were supposed to win last few weeks

next week. sunday night at home vs the chiefs.

chiefs coming off a bye... and they'll take this game serious after the raiders upset win earlier this year. raiders have been able to lean on the run game last few weeks. will need to revive the deep ball to pull off the improbable sweep. part of why they havent thrown deep has been not trusting the backup tackles to hold up in pass pro. will have to see who will be active

[Millennial_Messiah]

won the games we were supposed to win last few weeks

next week. sunday night at home vs the chiefs.

chiefs coming off a bye... and they'll take this game serious after the raiders upset win earlier this year. raiders have been able to lean on the run game last few weeks. will need to revive the deep ball to pull off the improbable sweep. part of why they havent thrown deep has been not trusting the backup tackles to hold up in pass pro. will have to see who will be active

yeah the chiefs won't get swept, they haven't been swept by a division rival since 2013, andy reid's first year when they got swept by both the broncos and chargers (but not the terrelle pryor led raiders).

[spurraider21]

yeah the chiefs won't get swept, they haven't been swept by a division rival since 2013, andy reid's first year when they got swept by both the broncos and chargers (but not the terrelle pryor led raiders).
they probably lose, and by more than a score tbh

dont think its because of some mystical "chiefs dont get swept" curse but rather the chiefs are a better team and they're coming off a bye where Reid is historically great. (side note, this is the 3rd consecutive season the chiefs have a raiders game scheduled coming off their bye)

raiders next 2 games after that will be against the falcons and jets, so a loss to the chiefs wouldnt really be problematic if they can keep winning their "should win" games. the late season games against the colts and dolphins look a lot more crucial now than i would have thought 5-6 weeks ago

[Millennial_Messiah]

they probably lose, and by more than a score tbh

dont think its because of some mystical "chiefs dont get swept" curse but rather the chiefs are a better team and they're coming off a bye where Reid is historically great. (side note, this is the 3rd consecutive season the chiefs have a raiders game scheduled coming off their bye)

raiders next 2 games after that will be against the falcons and jets, so a loss to the chiefs wouldnt really be problematic if they can keep winning their "should win" games. the late season games against the colts and dolphins look a lot more crucial now than i would have thought 5-6 weeks ago

remember last year tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

remember last year tbh :lol
this year's jets are incomparable :lol

[spurraider21]

croflmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

croflmao

Watch y'all lose to the jets tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Raiders path to playoffs improved greatly with decline of Ravens.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Ravens won

Raiders must beat Colts and/or Dolphins

[Millennial_Messiah]

What a real letdown today, huh spurraider21

[spurraider21]

What a real letdown today, huh spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905)
yeah. the defense has been a disaster all year, so that's nothing new. but the offense stalled in the redzone when they needed to win a shootout. they had 3 straight possessions from the end of the 2nd through the 3rd where they drove all the way down the the redzone and came away with a total of 2 field goals (there was that INT as well where the defender made a great play).

[spurraider21]

D-Coordinator got canned after the game. more of a symoblic move than anything at this point in the season. dont anticipate anything getter better on that side anytime soon. this does make me happy to read though

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[spurraider21]

"Way too early" predictions as requested by @millenial_messiah

@ Carolina - W
vs New Orleans - L
@ New England - W
vs Buffalo - W
@ Kansas City - L
bye
vs Tampa Bay - L
@ Cleveland - W
@ LA Chargers - W
vs Denver - W
vs Kansas City - L
@ Atlanta - L
@ NYJ - W
vs Indianapolis - W
vs Miami - W
@ Denver - L

final record: 9-7
off by 1 game, though the distribution was nothing like what i had pegged :lol

every resource needs to be spent on defense this offseason. priority hires at DC would be Wade Phillips, or Raheem Morris. cut mariota (even though he looked good, too expensive), cut tyrell williams, go sign a safety like Justin Simmons, and go get a pass rusher like Shaq Berrett or a DT like Leonard Williams. then just draft at all 3 levels.

[Darth_Pelican]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/raiders-josh-jacobs-arrested-on-dui-charge-after-car-accident-near-las-vegas-airport-per-reports/

[spurraider21]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/raiders-josh-jacobs-arrested-on-dui-charge-after-car-accident-near-las-vegas-airport-per-reports/
to be fair he used to live in a car, so he probably just thought he was having a beer at home