Smh Supreme Court deciding on school choice tax credit (for wanting to send kids to religious school)

[Blake]

"The Supreme Court appeared closely split during oral arguments Wednesday in a case with potentially major implications for the school choice movement, as the justices -- including Chief Justice John Roberts, who presided over President Trump's impeachment trial the previous night until 2 a.m. -- sparred with the lawyers and each other.

The case, Montana Department of Revenue v. Espinoza, centers around a tax-credit scholarship program passed in May 2015 that gave Montanans up to a $150 credit for donating to private scholarship organizations, helping students pay for their choice of private schools. The state's revenue department made a rule banning those tax-credit scholarships from going to religious schools before the state's supreme court later struck down the entire law......."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/scotus-hears-arguments-in-major-school-choice-case

[Nathan89]

I've heard they do a better job than public schools tbh.

[koriwhat]

I've heard they do a better job than public schools tbh.

so has blaKKKe and that's why he sends his daughter to a catholic school. talk about irony when it comes to ST's own cuckold christian-hating bitchmade blaKKKe.

[spurraider21]

the supreme court has already held that these types of vouchers are constitutional even if they go overwhelmingly the religious schools, because they've said the parents who make the choice act as a buffer between the state and the religion.

i doubt that underlying basis is going to be overturned.

but that doesnt mean that a state HAS to allow a voucher program. this case is basically trying to force montana to have a voucher program...

[DMC]

:lol muh atheism
:lol Fox news trustworthy now

[DarrinS]

Blake is to Christianity what TheGreatYacht is to JOOOOOOOZ

[pgardn]

Cool.

Then private schools should have to take all comers like public schools.
Solved.

[pgardn]

I've heard they do a better job than public schools tbh.

Ive heard public schools in desired socioeconomic areas do the best jobs teaching top level kids.

[spurraider21]

Blake is to Christianity what TheGreatYacht is to JOOOOOOOZ
point is taken, but TGY is substantially worse tbh :lol

[Blake]

Blake is to Christianity what TheGreatYacht is to JOOOOOOOZ

Where is Christianity mentioned in this thread

[Blake]

:lol muh atheism
:lol Fox news trustworthy now

It's an easy to find news item.

It's more muh separation of church and state.

[Blake]

so has blaKKKe and that's why he sends his daughter to a catholic school. talk about irony when it comes to ST's own cuckold christian-hating bitchmade blaKKKe.


:lol muh atheism
:lol Fox news trustworthy now


Blake is to Christianity what TheGreatYacht is to JOOOOOOOZ

Why are you guys even in this thread.

Oh wait, I know.

[Blake]

Cool.

Then private schools should have to take all comers like public schools.
Solved.

And/or be under stricter educational guidelines.

[Blake]

the supreme court has already held that these types of vouchers are constitutional even if they go overwhelmingly the religious schools, because they've said the parents who make the choice act as a buffer between the state and the religion.

i doubt that underlying basis is going to be overturned.

but that doesnt mean that a state HAS to allow a voucher program. this case is basically trying to force montana to have a voucher program...

With 5 Catholics, 3 Jews on the Supreme Court it'll be real interesting to see how this one goes.

I still can't imagine they'd find enough to force states' hands on this.

[spurraider21]

With 5 Catholics, 3 Jews on the Supreme Court it'll be real interesting to see how this one goes.

I still can't imagine they'd find enough to force states' hands on this.
the problem is that they apparently cancelled the program because the state supreme court determined that money going to the religious schools violated the law, and as a result they just shut down the entire program.

so if they were wrong in their decision making, it could be seen as discriminatory intent

[DarrinS]

point is taken, but TGY is substantially worse tbh :lol

By a mile :lol

[Blake]

the problem is that they apparently cancelled the program because the state supreme court determined that money going to the religious schools violated the law, and as a result they just shut down the entire program.

so if they were wrong in their decision making, it could be seen as discriminatory intent

Well sure.

And then as you alluded to, the big issue will be the precedent set that if a state has such a program that they'll have to include private schools.

[pgardn]

And/or be under stricter educational guidelines.

Sure.

But If he is a Down’s kid, better have the services to teach life skills.
If he is raised with a speech pathology problem, better have the staff to work with him.
Public schools do.

[Blake]

Sure.

But If he is a Down’s kid, better have the services to teach life skills.
If he is raised with a speech pathology problem, better have the staff to work with him.
Public schools do.

Yeah that's a bit different.

I'm talking about teaching creationism in science class.

[ElNono]

Not sure why they call it "choice", when it's just another handout, tbh

[Blake]

Not sure why they call it "choice", when it's just another handout, tbh

Well if they called it handout then it'd be evil liberal socialism

[boutons_deux]

Not sure why they call it "choice", when it's just another handout, tbh

it's perfectly dishonest framing.

Who wants to be slandered as against "choice", which in this case is hiding evangelicals relentlessly pushing hard to destroy the Separation clause so taxpayers finance religious indoctrination in (often for-profit) Christian madrasas.

[CosmicCowboy]

it's perfectly dishonest framing.

Who wants to be slandered as against "choice", which in this case is hiding evangelicals relentlessly pushing hard to destroy the Separation clause so taxpayers finance religious indoctrination in (often for-profit) Christian madrasas.

At least in Texas, schools are financed by property tax. That tax is paid either directly or indirectly by the parents. Why shouldn't the parents get a choice on where their education dollars are spent?

[Chucho]

At least in Texas, schools are financed by property tax. That tax is paid either directly or indirectly by the parents. Why shouldn't the parents get a choice on where their education dollars are spent?

CHRISTIAN SHARIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! INDOCTRINATION!!!!!!!!

[koriwhat]

Why are you guys even in this thread.

Oh wait, I know.

do tell faggotBlaKKKe

[Millennial_Messiah]

The federal governments should ban state "department of revenues", tbh. Income tax should be federal ONLY.

[pgardn]

At least in Texas, schools are financed by property tax. That tax is paid either directly or indirectly by the parents. Why shouldn't the parents get a choice on where their education dollars are spent?

The tax is also paid by people who have zero kids in public schools as well as businesses.
I guess you want a State Income tax?

Parents do get a choice to go to private schools of their choosing, but just like the entities mentioned above they pay public school taxes.

[boutons_deux]

"Why shouldn't the parents get a choice on where their education dollars are spent?"

Their tax dollars are spent on public/non-secular education.

If they don't like that, then spend their own money on special ed for their kids.

People pay income taxes (under risk of imprisonment) but have no say on which wars and other bullshit the US govt does.

Charter schools are big in the Confederacy as a backdoor to re-segregation and fucking over non-whites with shitty educations.

[Chris]

Blehke :lol

[Blake]

do tell faggotBlaKKKe

So angry.

[Blake]

Blehke :lol

Chris doing the troll thing he whines about

[Blake]

At least in Texas, schools are financed by property tax. That tax is paid either directly or indirectly by the parents. Why shouldn't the parents get a choice on where their education dollars are spent?

Or how about we scrap the public school system altogether and let parents choose if they even want to spend money on their kids education at all

[spurraider21]

The federal governments should ban state "department of revenues", tbh. Income tax should be federal ONLY.
states rights

[Millennial_Messiah]

states rights

I've been in favor for repealing the 10th amendment for a long, long time. It is the responsibility of the federal government to determine taxation (and almost every other major law) in the USA. I support the making of a much more unified, unitary America.

[spurraider21]

I've been in favor for repealing the 10th amendment for a long, long time. It is the responsibility of the federal government to determine taxation (and almost every other major law) in the USA. I support the making of a much more unified, unitary America.
a lot of legal scholars, including many of the founders, thought the 10th amendment (and the bill of rights as a whole, not getting into that) were unnecessary because the constitution lays out what the federal government CAN do, so there was never a need to expressly state that in the 10th amendment. regardless, that still wouldnt stop states from applying their own income tax. you'd need a new amendment to impose that limit on states

[Millennial_Messiah]

a lot of legal scholars, including many of the founders, thought the 10th amendment (and the bill of rights as a whole, not getting into that) were unnecessary because the constitution lays out what the federal government CAN do, so there was never a need to expressly state that in the 10th amendment. regardless, that still wouldnt stop states from applying their own income tax. you'd need a new amendment to impose that limit on states

just enact a bill saying that personal income taxation is exclusively the sole right and resposibility of the federal US government. don't need an amendment or a 67-33 majority, just a bill and a 51-49. Yeah the Klobuchar's and CA/NY/Northeast state senators might get pissed off but I don't think it's enough for even a filibuster, for example WA is anti state income taxes and left wing.

[spurraider21]

just enact a bill saying that personal income taxation is exclusively the sole right and resposibility of the federal US government. don't need an amendment or a 67-33 majority, just a bill and a 51-49. Yeah the Klobuchar's and CA/NY/Northeast state senators might get pissed off but I don't think it's enough for even a filibuster, for example WA is anti state income taxes and left wing.
yeah, no. that would require a constitutional amendment. theres a reason why they had to amend the constitution for prohibition. or to end slavery. the list goes on.

[Millennial_Messiah]

yeah, no. that would require a constitutional amendment. theres a reason why they had to amend the constitution for prohibition. or to end slavery. the list goes on.

but they don't need one to mandate that everyone buy healthcare from a price gouging insurance company? or start an expensive ass war with every foreign dictatorship nation that they feel like morally policing? yikes... what about cap and trade?

[spurraider21]

but they don't need one to mandate that everyone buy healthcare from a price gouging insurance company? or start an expensive ass war with every foreign dictatorship nation that they feel like morally policing? yikes... what about cap and trade?
the supreme court ruled that the obamacare mandate penalty was effectively a tax, so thats why they said the mandate was legal.

you dont need a constitutional amendment to start a war. though i would agree that the wars we've been in since WW2 have been illegal since congress never declared war

cap and trade would be constitutional because the US government is allowed to regulate interstate commerce

[koriwhat]

So angry.

you're such a pussy

[Blake]

you're such a pussy

You're the one in my thread angrily biting my ankle. Pussy move.

[koriwhat]

You're the one in my thread angrily biting my ankle. Pussy move.

your perception is that everything is all about you. your ex wife wasn't about you and neither am i you faggot. :tu

[koriwhat]

i literally replied to another ST member in here and called you a bitchmade faggot... now it all makes sense why you got your panties in a wad you bitchmade faggot.

as well, i guess calling out how ironic it is for a crying bitchmade faggot atheist to send his daughter to a catholic school got to you too huh?

[Blake]

Oh another angry rant about me instead of talking topic.

Next you'll say "I'm not angry how is this a rant?" and around and around.

[spurraider21]

Oh another angry rant about me instead of talking topic.

Next you'll say "I'm not angry how is this a rant?" and around and around.
lay off of him man, he has a legitimate medical condition.

[ElNono]

At least in Texas, schools are financed by property tax. That tax is paid either directly or indirectly by the parents. Why shouldn't the parents get a choice on where their education dollars are spent?

Because that’s why we have a representative system? What other spending citizens should micromanage? Where does it end?

[Blake]

lay off of him man, he has a legitimate medical condition.

He should just leave this thread before it gets worse then

[koriwhat]

lay off of him man, he has a legitimate medical condition.

And what would that be mr armchair doc shitty lawyer?


He should just leave this thread before it gets worse then

Can't get worse than being cucked... amirite? Bueller? Bueller?

[spurraider21]

And what would that be mr armchair doc shitty lawyer?
i dont know. you've said you were prescribed meds and stopped taking them. i'm not going to pretend to know what the underlying issue is. just know there is one

[Spurtacular]

Did Jesus make you a cuckold, Blake?

[Blake]

Can't get worse than being cucked... amirite? Bueller? Bueller?

Bad idea tats last forever

[Spurtacular]

Because that’s why we have a representative system? What other spending citizens should micromanage? Where does it end?

It's got represent in the root word, dude. They are supposed to represent for their constituency.

[Blake]

Did Jesus make you a cuckold, Blake?

Did I make you into this ankle biter?

Rhetorical question.

[Spurtacular]

Did I make you into this ankle biter?

Rhetorical question.

I ask you this in every anti-Christian thread you make. Every time you're too scared to answer.

But way to try an buzzword your way out of it.

[Blake]

I ask you this in every anti-Christian thread you make. Every time you're too scared to answer.

But way to try an buzzword your way out of it.

Your loaded question is nothing more than an ankle bite.

But you're too stupid to understand what a "loaded question" is so I'll drop you off here. Like usual.

[Spurtacular]

Your loaded question is nothing more than an ankle bite.

But you're too stupid to understand what a "loaded question" is so I'll drop you off here. Like usual.

How is it loaded? It's pretty simple. You either believe Jesus is responsible for you being a cuckold or you don't.

[Spurtacular]

Your loaded question is nothing more than an ankle bite.

But you're too stupid to understand what a "loaded question" is so I'll drop you off here. Like usual.

You're good at dropping off. Even a cuckold can do that. :lol

[Blake]

But you're too stupid to understand what a "loaded question" is so I'll drop you off here. Like usual.


How is it loaded? It's pretty simple. You either believe Jesus is responsible for you being a cuckold or you don't.

:lol derrrrrp

[Spurtacular]

:lol derrrrrp

Tell how the question is loaded, cuck.

[Blake]

Tell how the question is loaded, cuck.

No

[Spurtacular]

No

Is it loaded why your wife's black lover's schlong?

[CosmicCowboy]

How is it loaded? It's pretty simple. You either believe Jesus is responsible for you being a cuckold or you don't.

Rumor has it the Ex had her legs in the air while getting jack hammered while screaming "OH JESUS GIVE IT TO ME!"

[koriwhat]

i dont know. you've said you were prescribed meds and stopped taking them. i'm not going to pretend to know what the underlying issue is. just know there is one

if i had an issue it would've reared its ugly head in the past 20 yrs mr armchair doc. you're a fucking idiot just like that doc i went to over 20 yrs ago now. my issue was a bad trip and developing anxiety afterwards. i corrected that anxiety by becoming a man and sucking it up unlike the 2 bitches here, you spurraider21 and your faggot boyfriend blaKKKe, who harp on me. :tu


Bad idea tats last forever

:lmao what tattoos do i have that are bad? if they're bad because you don't like them well then i don't fucking care because i truly don't fucking care what you like or don't like. truth be told, i don't fucking care about anything to do with your bitchass blaKKKe. :tu

no one cares what a faggot like you likes or dislikes to be honest. fucking cuckold!

[spurraider21]

if i had an issue it would've reared its ugly head in the past 20 yrs mr armchair doc. you're a fucking idiot just like that doc i went to over 20 yrs ago now. my issue was a bad trip and developing anxiety afterwards. i corrected that anxiety by becoming a man and sucking it up unlike the 2 bitches here, you spurraider21 and your faggot boyfriend blaKKKe, who harp on me. :tu
rears its head every day on this forum, sadly

[koriwhat]

rears its head every day on this forum, sadly

lol hyperbole is your daddy

[Spurtacular]

Rumor has it the Ex had her legs in the air while getting jack hammered while screaming "OH JESUS GIVE IT TO ME!"

:lmao

Blake (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3460), is that how it was loaded?

[Spurtacular]

Blake is to Christianity what TheGreatYacht is to JOOOOOOOZ


point is taken, but TGY is substantially worse tbh :lol

You mean substantially more poignant. Blake doesn't hate Christians any less :lol

[Blake]

"On Tuesday, in a sweeping 5–4 decision, the Supreme Court forced a majority of states to fund private religious schools in a ruling that compels millions of U.S. taxpayers to subsidize Christian education—even if financing another religion violates their own beliefs. Incredibly, this maximalist decision did not go far enough for two conservative justices who would apparently let states establish an official religion. In dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor described the majority’s decision as “perverse.” That may be an understatement: Its decision is the culmination of a yearslong assault on secular governance and augurs even more radical rulings down the road...."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/supreme-court-espinoza-montana-religious-schools.html

Horrible partisan politics decision.