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timvp
01-23-2020, 09:03 AM
https://www.spurstalk.com/grades-san-antonio-spurs-new-orleans-pelicans-january-22-2020/

tl;dr: Another impressive win :tu

poopbox
01-23-2020, 09:48 AM
Pop gets a B when dropping back in that dumbass zone is what got Zion going in the first place ?

How does Forbes get anything higher than an F in any game he doesn't make 6 or more 3's. I have NEVER seen an nba player blow as many defense assignments as Forbes.

Kobe'sAchilles
01-23-2020, 10:03 AM
Pop gets a B when dropping back in that dumbass zone is what got Zion going in the first place ?

How does Forbes get anything higher than an F in any game he doesn't make 6 or more 3's. I have NEVER seen an nba player blow as many defense assignments as Forbes.
The dude shot like 29% from 3 in college from a much closer line. He was rehabbing from a knee injury as well. The zone was a smart ploy. Who the fuck knew he would go 4-4 from 3 point land tbh :lol

If Dejounte would shoot more than 1 or 2 threes a game then Forbes wouldn't be starting tbh. I blame him as much as Forbes being shitty.

RC_Drunkford
01-23-2020, 10:06 AM
Murray has to shoot more 3s, he shoots them well enough and his drives to the rim ain't really that effective anyway. Also the Murray/Lyles fast break tandem is one of the dumbest I have ever seen

paperboy77
01-23-2020, 10:08 AM
Pop gets a B when dropping back in that dumbass zone is what got Zion going in the first place ?

How does Forbes get anything higher than an F in any game he doesn't make 6 or more 3's. I have NEVER seen an nba player blow as many defense assignments as Forbes.

After screwing up assignments he drops his head and claps his hands like “they got me on this one... my bad”. Pops a moron.

XDT76
01-23-2020, 10:10 AM
The dude shot like 29% from 3 in college from a much closer line. He was rehabbing from a knee injury as well. The zone was a smart ploy. Who the fuck knew he would go 4-4 from 3 point land tbh :lol

If Dejounte would shoot more than 1 or 2 threes a game then Forbes wouldn't be starting tbh. I blame him as much as Forbes being shitty.

With Pop not playing rookie current is the best lineup else we will constantly be playing 2 or 3 of Forbes/Mills/Belli

buttsR4rebounding
01-23-2020, 10:12 AM
I really hope Pop is showcasing Marco for a trade. Bryn as well, but I am not hopeful there.

$pursDynasty
01-23-2020, 10:17 AM
I really liked LaMonster's game last night, that kind of performance/attitude can propel the Spurs up the standings. I like that we are seeing more of Murray and White on the floor at the same time (along with Demar and LMA) if only we can get Lonnie in there too but I guess Pop wants an outside marksmen to balance out the line up. If one of the three youngsters can be that powerful threat from 3 then look out. Hopefully the ghost of Rudy can be resurrected into "Not this Gay" again to be the scoring monster off the bench.

$pursDynasty
01-23-2020, 10:21 AM
I really hope Pop is showcasing Marco for a trade. Bryn as well, but I am not hopeful there.
If Philly had anything we could use, that they would part with, I would send Belli back there. What is it that the Spurs need most in the lineup now though? Preseason it was all about not having a SF at least a 3&D one. It might still be but I wouldn't mind a closing line up of LMA, DD, DWhite, Dijon, and Lonnie, so would it really be all about a perfect compliment on the bench, or a three point shooter that isn't a defensive liability like Verde used to be?

MultiTroll
01-23-2020, 10:24 AM
Pop gets a B when dropping back in that dumbass zone is what got Zion going in the first place ?

How does Forbes get anything higher than an F in any game he doesn't make 6 or more 3's. I have NEVER seen an nba player blow as many defense assignments as Forbes.
Gentry letting Ingram shoot them out of the game. Otherwise it was on it's way to another classic Pop finish.

Starts Bryn Forms again. B.

emanueldavidginobili
01-23-2020, 11:19 AM
“The good: Bryn Forbes produced offensively. I didn’t always love his shot-selection but he made enough shots to shut up any complaints. The bad: Forbes’ defense wasn’t good — at all. The Pelicans were picking on him constantly and the Spurs found it difficult to mask his shortcomings.”

This is pretty contradicting, he made enough shots to shut up any complaints? But his defense was atrocious, continuously beat off the dribble. Also his inability to do absolutely nothing besides make four baskets a game. He made eight threes last game and still almost managed to lose the game. He can make all the shots in the world but it’s completely negated by his piss poor defense.

RC_Drunkford
01-23-2020, 12:11 PM
If Philly had anything we could use, that they would part with, I would send Belli back there. What is it that the Spurs need most in the lineup now though? Preseason it was all about not having a SF at least a 3&D one. It might still be but I wouldn't mind a closing line up of LMA, DD, DWhite, Dijon, and Lonnie, so would it really be all about a perfect compliment on the bench, or a three point shooter that isn't a defensive liability like Verde used to be?

this team needs a starting caliber PF and SG/SF who can defend and shoot the 3

exstatic
01-23-2020, 12:30 PM
Pop gets a B when dropping back in that dumbass zone is what got Zion going in the first place ?

How does Forbes get anything higher than an F in any game he doesn't make 6 or more 3's. I have NEVER seen an nba player blow as many defense assignments as Forbes.

You zone against players that aren't known for shooting. Zion isn't.

buujness
01-23-2020, 01:12 PM
this team needs a starting caliber PF and SG/SF who can defend and shoot the 3Honestly, the 4 doesn't even have to be starter quality: just better than what Rudy Gay has been this year.

MultiTroll
01-23-2020, 01:12 PM
"The Spurs inexplicably failed to adjust and guard him from outside or force him to give up the ball."

Yes that's
inexplicable
. :pop:

John B
01-23-2020, 01:34 PM
Thanks Timpv. I have no complaints on the game. Pop gambled on Zion to miss those shots, it was just pure luck. Other than that, Spurs played a very good game especially Aldridge. I want to see more 4 guards and a center line up. I think Pop has been salivating for that in awhile. It is working, except sometimes it's stuck in Demar affecting the smooth passing. But I think he's trying, and occasionally Spurs need him to pick his defenders. Not many can stop him. White has been a beast and just doing so many things offensively and defensively. That's the Derek we saw last year at the playoffs. I hope it continuous. I think Spurs have turned the corner, and hopefully, Pop settles with his line-up and starts fine tuning. Here's looking for Spurs to catch up with OKC and hopefully we get to 6th seed or better.

FkLA
01-23-2020, 01:43 PM
It's fucking stupid that Pop views Marco as some kind of closer. He regularly uses Lonnie more in the 1st half and Marco in the 2nd half. Its especially stupid since the Spurs have held leads in most recent games and having him out there ultimately leads to him and Brent sharing the court in crucial moments. Just trade one of them already. Preferably both.

cd98
01-23-2020, 02:13 PM
It's fucking stupid that Pop views Marco as some kind of closer. He regularly uses Lonnie more in the 1st half and Marco in the 2nd half. Its especially stupid since the Spurs have held leads in most recent games and having him out there ultimately leads to him and Brent sharing the court in crucial moments. Just trade one of them already. Preferably both.

I get that from a defensive standpoint, but Beli isn’t afraid to take and make big shots, so I can see why they have him in on offense.

poopbox
01-23-2020, 02:22 PM
The dude shot like 29% from 3 in college from a much closer line. He was rehabbing from a knee injury as well. The zone was a smart ploy. Who the fuck knew he would go 4-4 from 3 point land tbh :lol

If Dejounte would shoot more than 1 or 2 threes a game then Forbes wouldn't be starting tbh. I blame him as much as Forbes being shitty.

Why was it smart when Zion was doing a bunch of nothing before you went to the zone? Why not just continue to play him straight up and double him when he went to the basket like the spurs were successfully doing earlier...

That whole sequence is pretty much pop in a nutshell this year and why i can't wait for him to retire...i know we have been having success doing this one thing but let us inexplicably stop doing it and do something else for absolutely no reason...

Exactly what basketball action did zion or the pelicans as a team do that made pop say you know what we need to go to a zone here...cause from what i remember it was pretty much the spurs up by 8 to 14 until pop brought out the zone

MultiTroll
01-23-2020, 02:37 PM
Pop gambled on Zion to miss those shots, it was just pure luck.
To the contrary, Zion had been working hard on his treys during his rehab. He's way better then before.
I'm not suggesting Popped could have known he was going 4-4 on treys. But it is and will be part of Zions arsenal.

FkLA
01-23-2020, 03:32 PM
I get that from a defensive standpoint, but Beli isn’t afraid to take and make big shots, so I can see why they have him in on offense.

Long term his defense will always give up more than he provides on offense. I'd get bringing him in for a late game offensive possession or two but playing him 8-9 minutes in the 4th Qtr is just a recipe for disaster. Especially if you aren't willing to send Brent to the g-league where he belongs.

SpurPadre
01-23-2020, 03:43 PM
Blowing a big lead in the 4th against a bad team. That's not an impressive win. It's an ugly win.

exstatic
01-23-2020, 03:54 PM
Blowing a big lead in the 4th against a bad team. That's not an impressive win. It's an ugly win.

It's an impressive win because NO was 14-6 in their last 20, and we beat them in their building.

Keepin' it real
01-23-2020, 04:22 PM
The Spurs are 2-1 in the 3 games I've watched this season.

Meatloaf, what are your thoughts on the matter??

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SpurSpike
01-23-2020, 04:58 PM
I really liked that bench unit of Poeltl, Gay, White, Lonnie, Mills when it was out there.

Two deadly 3 and D slashers (white/Lonnie) and one 3 point sniper (Mills) a great shot blocker (Poetle) and an ISO scorer (Gay) for when things break down.

Hope to see more of this!

RC_Drunkford
01-23-2020, 06:18 PM
Blowing a big lead in the 4th against a bad team. That's not an impressive win. It's an ugly win.

for this team any win is an impressive win, especially on the road

Phenomanul
01-23-2020, 07:42 PM
Blowing a big lead in the 4th against a bad team. That's not an impressive win. It's an ugly win.

No one had a scouting report on Zion shooting threes... first game back and all. Now teams have been placed on notice.

offset formation
01-23-2020, 08:29 PM
Long term his defense will always give up more than he provides on offense. I'd get bringing him in for a late game offensive possession or two but playing him 8-9 minutes in the 4th Qtr is just a recipe for disaster. Especially if you aren't willing to send Brent to the g-league where he belongs.

I don't mind when Marco plays larger, slower SGs or SF, defensively. He has size and typically plays ok. Rebounds well.

His shortcomings come out when he's trying to guard quick SGs, SFs, or really athletic PFs that do a lot of cutting (like he himself does). He just has no lateral speed at all anymore.

If he can guard more stationary shooter SFs, he does ok. The problem is clear though, those types of players are increasingly absent in today's game so his weaknesses are especially glaring.

Truth4sale$
01-23-2020, 08:35 PM
Thanks for the grades TIMVP, it was really good game. Have to give it to Zion for that 3 minute span. Spurs will be in trouble for years to come, because they dont have anyone nearly athletic and strong enough to matchup with him. Guess their always the draft.
Honestly got nervous when Popovich rolled out the defensive challenged lineup of Belineli +Forbes. Smart move by Popovich to ride the great playmaking of Derrick White..when he is on; the Spurs are a whole different team, and usually successful.

vavvi
01-23-2020, 09:25 PM
this team needs a starting caliber PF and SG/SF who can defend and shoot the 3

We already have that SG/SF in Lonnie but we desperately need a 4 because Lyles/this-version-of-Gay/Beli-at-PF is one of the worst PF rotations in the league

ZeusWillJudge
01-23-2020, 10:09 PM
this team needs a starting caliber PF and SG/SF who can defend and shoot the 3


Have a look at the AST column from last night and see if you think they need anything else in the SL.

BackHome
01-23-2020, 10:31 PM
I honestly thought Poop was going to throw this game just to let them celebrate Zions first NBA win

JeffDuncan
01-23-2020, 10:46 PM
I honestly thought Poop was going to throw this game just to let them celebrate Zions first NBA win

Nah, that's only basketball. Pop throws games to fight hunger and save the planet.

Manong Ginobili
01-23-2020, 11:56 PM
I don't mind Marco having a bigger role, if two out of Dwhite/Dijon/LWIV are on the floor. The disaster (8 game losing streak) happend when two out of three or sometimes, all three of Mills, Bryn and Marco share the floor in the 4th Quarter. Bryn needs to get Steve Kerr 03 minutes.

vavvi
01-23-2020, 11:59 PM
I don't mind Marco having a bigger role, if two out of Dwhite/Dijon/LWIV are on the floor. The disaster (8 game losing streak) happend when two out of three or sometimes, all three of Mills, Bryn and Marco share the floor in the 4th Quarter. Bryn needs to get Steve Kerr 03 minutes.

100% agree

tmtcsc
01-24-2020, 12:03 AM
Pop gets a B when dropping back in that dumbass zone is what got Zion going in the first place ?

How does Forbes get anything higher than an F in any game he doesn't make 6 or more 3's. I have NEVER seen an nba player blow as many defense assignments as Forbes.

At one point he came in and REALLY shit the bed. A couple of turnovers & missed defensive assignments. He gave up a 3 pointer and Pop called a timeout. Brian tried to explain what he was doing and Pop just walked away from him in disgust and put in Patty. How bad do you have to be when Pop thinks Patty is a better defender than you.

Fireball
01-24-2020, 05:40 AM
Blowing a big lead in the 4th against a bad team. That's not an impressive win. It's an ugly win.

bad take ...

RC_Drunkford
01-24-2020, 07:57 AM
We already have that SG/SF in Lonnie but we desperately need a 4 because Lyles/this-version-of-Gay/Beli-at-PF is one of the worst PF rotations in the league

you need 2 SGs and 2 SFs. DeRozan, Walker, Mills are the only playable ones. They still need another one regardless

Ed Helicopter Jones
01-24-2020, 04:05 PM
No one had a scouting report on Zion shooting threes... first game back and all. Now teams have been placed on notice.

Exactly. Zion doesn't suddenly hit 4 in a row from deep and the game stays a blowout.

talkspurs
01-24-2020, 07:04 PM
you need 2 SGs and 2 SFs. DeRozan, Walker, Mills are the only playable ones. They still need another one regardless

You really dont need a 10 deep rotation. Most teams play 8-9 rotations. even the spurs before this year has not played 10-11 deep. they have had the team to do it when someone got hurt they would typically only play 8-9 on a night.