Did the Spurs re-sign Murray a little too early?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He’s still young but Spurs probably could’ve signed him for 2/3 as much with the season he is having

[Harry Callahan]

I don't know. He is not close to what he was two years ago. The ACL injuries are two year deals a lot of the time - especially for a guard. He is not getting completely crazy money and he is still a young player. Let's hope for the best.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

he’ll dominate in china with jimmer

[Darius Bieber]

Definitely. He’s not a PG. He can’t run the offense. We have no true PG on the team like Parker, TJ Ford, Cory Joseph, George Hill etc.

and don’t tell me a PG is hard to get. Fuckin Monte Morris was the 51st pick in the draft and he’s killing it for the Nuggets. This is just Spurs horrible scouting and player development per usual.

[Harry Callahan]

Walker needs to put Forbes on the bench forever. He can become something. Forbes has no upside. Sucks on D. Good bye Bryn. Sit the bench and move on next year.

[RC_Drunkford]

Another PATFO classic

[TimDunkem]

Walker needs to put Forbes on the bench forever. He can become something. Forbes has no upside. Sucks on D. Good bye Bryn. Sit the bench and move on next year.

Won't happen. He's Pop's guy now.

[Darius Bieber]

It's not like he was Derrick Rose, but look how long its taken him to become respectable again.

Modern medicine has come a long way. An ACL tear used to be a pretty much career ender. Now, they’re able to save their career somewhat, but yeah... You’re still not the same player. Especially if you rely on speed/explosiveness.

[TimDunkem]

Should've picked Brogdon.

[Harry Callahan]

It's not like he was Derrick Rose, but look how long its taken him to become respectable again.

I think Rose has had several physical setbacks along the way that slowed him down as well. Hopefully DJM can continue to improve his strength and regain the confidence he had his second year.

[TimDunkem]

^^That's a lot of guys in Austin who aren't doing shit.

[Darius Bieber]

They are Playing Weatherspoon at the 2 in Austin.

Apparently they thought Bryn was a serviceable back up now starting at shooting guard. Danny Green is who e replaced in the starting lineup.

With Metu and Eubanks called up they are starting Luka at center.

Yeah, definitely a allocation of developmental resources and vision problem.

I can see from your posts that you’re pretty invested in the Toros. How are they doing in the GLeague with a former Spur Ahearn coaching?

[Darius Bieber]

They started out finding themselves. Keldon, Spoon, Metu, Eubanks, picked up some steam with the acquisition of Angel Rodriguez. They've all showed some potential NBA talent. Keldon is a living Basketball Motor, and his energy is infectious and seemed to have caught on the Chizme. Luka has had some strange games an moments. Look like a motor problem, and a member who went to a game confirmed this. Drifts out of focus when he doesn't have the ball in his hands. He doesn't look to pass to others, doesn't run back on D, etc.


There are better, more cohesive teams in the League, like Memphis, Wisconsin, who are probably going to be favored to win the G Chip. But with all the two-way players and 1st round draft picks, they are deep and could make a run for a G league Title, whatever that means.

Does Luca just seem disinterested? Was this a problem from his tapes playing in Europe? Or is it just pouting that he’s in the GLeague?

[TDomination]

Im still okay with what he got, he’s got upside.

[FkLA]

Not being utilized correctly. He should be playing alongside White, with White handling PG duties. He's still pretty valuable if you just let him play defense, spot up, get offensive tip ins, run out in transition.

[Darius Bieber]

People say its an entitled attitude thing, others say its being 19 thing even though he is only 2 1/1 months younger than Keldon who displays none of those characteristics and they are both 20 now.

As pop has said him self. He is who he be, meaning you can't change guy. He is athletically gifted with legit basketball skills but who knows if his tude is just a home sick thing or if the scouting reports of his entitled attitude is real.

If the attitude is real, then it’s a very non “Spursy” pick - especially that high. When you look at who the Spurs normally draft at that pick position (15-20ish picks: Lonnie Walker, Leonard (was a trade, but we still told Pacers who we wanted), all players with a hard-working attitude. Luka seems out of the ordinary. I think it was a gambled pick that (so far) has not paid off.

[tbdog]

He started the season off with a bang but now has regressed, despite his shot looking better. The team needs to run more.

[slick'81]

I mean he has to improve in the coming years right? This cant be as good as it gets with murray

[John B]

I expected him to have better handles, transition offense, and finishing those layups. But nah. His lockdown defense seemed to have stepped back. He has improved his shooting. Hopefully it's just getting better coming from the injury. I think Murray's contract is okay. He is a hardworker and should improve. But for now, I would really put White on starting PG though until Murray proves himself.

[phxspurfan]

Sadly yes. He is what he is at this point. But he was loyal when others were not during their injuries, so PATFO appreciated that. Too bad he just isn’t as talented.

[phxspurfan]

Should've picked Brogdon.

Good someone else was also saying this. Also ditto to Josh Hart and Jaylen Brunson etc

[GAustex]

I really thought he would be more effective with his drives to the basket. He just can’t seem to get separation or when he does he just can’t seem to sneak the close in contested drive into the hoop.
Decision making is lacking too.
Really both young guards are inconsistent and for the Spurs to have any chance they BOTH have to play better.

[EasyMoney]

If they didn't pay him them then a dumb team like the Knicks would over pay him, then the Spurs would lose him for nothing ,then you all would criticize the team.

He isn't being used right. He's playing alongside people who can't defend... And Bryn Forbes. He's a guy that should be utilizing his athleticism and speed and handle(which is a work in progress). He's being used improperly because of pops refusal to accept a rebuild and to build around his young guys. Derrick white has the benefit of having a high iq. Dejounte is Jamal Crawford with a jumpshot(eventually)

I said it once and I'll say it again, I think you're an idiot if you have already given up on him.

[Prose]

i think the lack of floor spacing really fucks him over in the starting line up he plays with. No room for him to operate and whats weird though is because he looked like a star in the first week of the season

[monty4329]

Expectations were irrationally high, and putting him straight away above White didn't help.

In a different context, such a run and gun with Lonnie and other fast players he could really thrive: strong defense and fastbreak, that's his game. But then comes PO time...

[tbdog]

Spurs should be running. But LMA and Gay are not much runners. Same as Forbes and White. I think Gay needs to go.

[szkorhetz]

Spurs should be running. But LMA and Gay are not much runners. Same as Forbes and White. I think Gay, Forbes, LMA, Murray, Mills, Belli and DDR needs to go.

[dbestpro]

4 points in 66 minutes between Forbes, White and Murray. These guys will all be bench players or out of the league within 3-5 years. Putting the future of this team on their backs is a recipe to become the Kings or Atlanta or Charlotte or worse. Trade them now and get players who are up to the task. This is not family and friends. The Spurs are in the business of winning. Right now business is bad.

[Genovaswitness]

team is built like shit and there's no spacing for him to do anything. only a transcendent player like tim, kobe, kawhi etc can carry a team like that.

[exstatic]

4 points in 66 minutes between Forbes, White and Murray. These guys will all be bench players or out of the league within 3-5 years. Putting the future of this team on their backs is a recipe to become the Kings or Atlanta or Charlotte or worse. Trade them now and get players who are up to the task. This is not family and friends. The Spurs are in the business of winning. Right now business is bad.

White's defense bought them two free possessions at the end, and is one of the few players who can affect the game with little or no scoring. He's also the best PG on the roster. He's absolutely a keeper.

I'll wait another year to see what maybe a different lineup and additional healing can do for DJM.

Buh BYE, Bryn.

[Mugen]

White's defense bought them two free possessions at the end, and is one of the few players who can affect the game with little or no scoring. He's also the best PG on the roster. He's absolutely a keeper.

I'll wait another year to see what maybe a different lineup and additional healing can do for DJM.

Buh BYE, Bryn.

:lol I'd wait until after your boy gives Forbes a fat new contract this summer

[TimDunkem]

:lol @ anyone who thinks Formes isn't getting a new contract.

[Mugen]

Murray looked fine to start the year then was completely reined in by Pop....

The first few games we saw Murray push the ball up the court and then he got relegated to half court player whose only job was to get the ball to Derozan or Lamarcus...and honestly he's just not very good in the half court. He's got low IQ and even his defense has suffered because of it...

Frankly, he'd benefit so much from playing alongside White but he's got literally the worst coach in sports behind him. Honestly, I'd rather the old man just play Derozan with Fatty and Forbes and let Murray/White/Lonnie play together off the bench. It's clear he's going to go down with the ship with Bryn so we might as well see what White and Murray would actually look like playing together with meaningful minutes...

Just sickening what the coaching staff has done to the young guys this season, absolutely sickening from a fan perspective.

[emanueldavidginobili]

It’s probably time to move him to the two and see how he plays. That would mean Forbes would have to come off the bench though. Either way I’m fine with the contract he’s going to get better, I’m more concerned at what’s going to happen with Derrick. Outside of some good games from him he’s regressed since last year and he’s turning 26 this year. I really don’t see him turning the corner at this point unfortunately.

I also put some blame on Pop I feel like Murray, White, and Lonnie all have that fear if they fuck up Pop is going to bench them and scold them which makes them play tight and timid and second guess themselves. With no LA last night how the hell does White and DJ have a combined 7 shot attempts in 44 minutes smh.

[Chinook]

Murray already plays SG. People really need to stop thinking guys are playing out of position. That's not why they're playing poorly. Murray has almost no off-dribble game right now. There's nowhere he could play that wouldn't be an issue. He has just developed very poorly amd wasn't nearly as good two years ago as people like to say.

And yes, I still do think the Spurs got a good deal on the contract. They still seem to value him highly on the court. Dunno about off it. He'd likely get a much better contract than the impossibly low $1.5 Million a year in the OP. He's been disappointing, but he hasn't been that bad, all things considered. At worst, he'd've gotten a prove-it deal for a few million given he's recovering from injury.

[SpursDynasty85]

I don't think so. Murray still shows flashes of becoming a very good player. He's young, He's coming back from ACL injury, plus the lineup changes and pre-Aldridge 3 point threat has made a lot of things more complicated. Murray will be a good player by next year and then possibly very good in year 2 of his contract.

[spurspl]

funny how most of u were sayin that resigning him was a steal couple months ago

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Murray already plays SG. People really need to stop thinking guys are playing out of position. That's not why they're playing poorly. Murray has almost no off-dribble game right now. There's nowhere he could play that wouldn't be an issue. He has just developed very poorly amd wasn't nearly as good two years ago as people like to say.

And yes, I still do think the Spurs got a good deal on the contract. They still seem to value him highly on the court. Dunno about off it. He'd likely get a much better contract than the impossibly low $1.5 Million a year in the OP. He's been disappointing, but he hasn't been that bad, all things considered. At worst, he'd've gotten a prove-it deal for a few million given he's recovering from injury.

How do you feel about the Spurs potentially re-signing DeRozan?

[Kobe'sAchilles]

We didn't sign him too early at all. He will improve as the season goes on. The problem is that we have the wrong coach. I really hope the Spurs will hire D'Antoni once Houston "fires" him this year. Pop is retiring anyways at the end of the year. The style of play doesn't fit Murray at all and that's on the coach. He pairs Murray with the slowest guys on our team instead of pairing him with Lonnie and White and Mills.

It's no secret that Murray is a fast break point guard for now and yet Pop wants him to play slow and inbound the ball in the post to LMA. It's just stupid coaching tbh. I think the faster change of pace and a GM that doesn't criticize people for taking midrange shots (I blame Houston's shitfest on Morey than I do Mike) will help the younger players.

[Dverde]

Nope. I still like the signing. He’s disappointed a little this season. More disappointed in White.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Did the Spurs re-sign Murray a little too early? (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283141&p=10050380)


Nah. It's five o'clock somewhere.

This team is in such disarray, with such mismatched pieces and bad rotations, I don't think you can assess any of the young guys accurately. I still remember how Murray played before. He may still be getting back to form, but this team makes pretty much everyone look bad. If the Spurs traded him for cheap, I'm pretty confident that a lot of people here would be bitching about it by the middle of the next season.

[rascal]

Too many in here were expecting too much from Murray. Acting like he was some type of huge difference maker and star player. I said he wasn't going to make much of a difference this year as compared to last year's team.

[rascal]

team is built like shit and there's no spacing for him to do anything. only a transcendent player like tim, kobe, kawhi etc can carry a team like that.

[8FOR!3]

I think in the long run it is going to help that he was allowed to get all this time this season but this season he's definitely hurt us at times. If it's any consolation Gordon Hayward is just now starting to look like a really good NBA player again.

[TD 21]

Murray already plays SG. People really need to stop thinking guys are playing out of position. That's not why they're playing poorly. Murray has almost no off-dribble game right now. There's nowhere he could play that wouldn't be an issue. He has just developed very poorly amd wasn't nearly as good two years ago as people like to say.

And yes, I still do think the Spurs got a good deal on the contract. They still seem to value him highly on the court. Dunno about off it. He'd likely get a much better contract than the impossibly low $1.5 Million a year in the OP. He's been disappointing, but he hasn't been that bad, all things considered. At worst, he'd've gotten a prove-it deal for a few million given he's recovering from injury.

Yeah, maybe we've been viewing this wrong all along. Their plan (hope?) from the jump could have been that he becomes a secondary creator and that his spot up 3 develops enough that he can be a passable floor spacer, which would allow the defensive havoc he can wreak and rebounding to really play . . . which goes back to my notion that the goal should be a less versatile defensively (because of strength) Smart.

Hit that ceiling, he'll be an elite role player and the contract will be fine. Either fail miserably to or veer off in some other direction and it'll be a relative albatross.

[Coach X]

From another post:


The more the season advances the more I understand Popovich handling of Walker's developement.

Don't skip steps. That's one of the mantras in San Antonio and we can see the meaning of the sentence observing Murray and White's performance this season.

I think Spurs expected too much from them both for this season but they're not ready to be the players the team needs now. They're still young so mistakes and some inconsistency are allowed but above all, they should be playing much better after 45 games. They are absolutely inconsistent yet.
Everybody here blames Derozan because he's supossed to be our #1 player and it's true he hasn't delivered in the clutch but his overall performance is consistently good, the best in the team. What about Aldridge season? What about Murray and White? They've been even further from the level we expected from them.

I'd rather have Walker learning lessons through this season instead of having another case of Murray and White. Probably this way Lonnie becomes solid, which is mandatory before becoming great.

There is just one thing I admit as a valid excuse for Murray's case: he was told to be given the keys of the team as a PG but after a few games the deal was broken. Since then, I earrned the return to the starting line up but he never has been trusted as our PG in the clutch. He hasn't been given the chance of prooving himself for the role he was chosen. However, I can see where this mistrust has come from: he has been too insconsistent as PG in so many important moments in so many games. So I think this is 50% Pop's fault but 50% his fault.

Speaking of Pop, having dead weight Forbes next to them doesn't help Murray and White at all. That's 100% on Popovich.

I'm really dissapointed with Murray and White, I expected so much from both but I don't see them having an important role in a winning team. They might be not as good as we thought or their developement process has gone too fast


Yeah, the team building wasn't optimal thinking on their developement. Our youngsters aren't surround by the ideal environment:
- DeRozan, a responsible but not a winner #1 player/leader.
- Aldridge, we all know his low impact low profile presence in the locker-room and the team plus his more inconsistent season ever.
- Rudy Gay, another good guy but not the competitivity model you want for your young players.
- Mills, the solely veteran with the correct attitude but in a secondary role.
- Belinelli, very far from being a reference by himself.
- Carroll, out.
- A bunch of more yung players.
- AND the most unexperienced coaching staff in the last 20 years in San Antonio.

So we just have a bunch of youngsters and a team lacking positive references for them. Anyway, there are some other players able of growing and progressing into the league with not too much help so I don't feel so understanding.

I still have some faith in Murray, I'd give him 100% confidence and see what happens with him playing 30' and closing games as our true PG. Do it for 10 consecutive games and let's see what happens. I've already watched White playing PG in the clutch enough games and nah, that's not his role. Not yet at least.

[duncan2k5]

Pop neutered him... First couple games of the season he looked legit... But those games he was playing like a first option... Since being neutered the guy has lost all confidence

[Amuseddaysleeper]

A resounding yes