Game Thread: Spurs @ Trail Blazers — Thurs. (2/06/20) - 9:00pm/C

[slick'81]

love that stat stuffing move by Derrick "no lift" White at the end. We see all his "tools".

The slow choppy drive to the rim

his "is it a floater" Floater

The miss

the no lift leap for the rebound and put back

Oh yeah, NOBODY was in his way

TRASH ASS no star recruit this team DRAFTED in the First round, lets be honest NOBODY was gonna draft this stuttering prick... you could have gotten him as undrafted signee

People on this board stand for this piss of turds


You said stuttering prick:lmao

[ZeusWillJudge]

Seems like he hits from the FT line. At least he doesn't take 18-foot turnaround fadeaways.


Yeah, I can't argue. I just checked his stats, and he obviously worked on those FT's. Give the man credit.

Like I said, there are nights it seems like he never leaves the paint and gets by with a ton of contact. And if he was in silver and black, I wouldn't complain. He's as old school as they get, and tonight he showed that there's still a place for that.

[sasaint]

Man, Murray needs to develop a damn shot. 2 wide open threes in the 4th and clank, bricks them. Can't be a starting point guard with subpar handles, passing and scoring. Defense only takes you so far.

Murray is developing his shot. He shoots better than 48% from 2 and almost 37% from 3. his TS% is a very respectable .539. All of those are better than last season, although his rookie year he shot a surprising 39% from 3. I have never been a fan, but I root for him. I don't see him as a PG at all, and I think his shooting would improve greatly if he were relieved of the additional responsibilities of learning to be a PG which is not a natural position for him. Conversely, I think the Old Asshole is screwing both him and Derrick by not installing Derrick as the starting PG, where he has a far better natural aptitude.

[sasaint]

Yeah, I can't argue. I just checked his stats, and he obviously worked on those FT's. Give the man credit.

Like I said, there are nights it seems like he never leaves the paint and gets by with a ton of contact. And if he was in silver and black, I wouldn't complain. He's as old school as they get, and tonight he showed that there's still a place for that.

I wasn't clear. I meant he hits Js from around the FT line; he has 12-14 foot range.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop has to start playing the young guys more going forward, need to have a contingency plan after missing the playoffs.

Murray, White and Walker are a very awkward fit together, as bad as it gets for a young core from a fit perspective, but you need to figure out who you're going to build with for the future. Forbes is a finished product, don't waste any more time on Rudy Gay or Belinelli, etc.

[GAustex]

Both Spurs point guards do not positively influence the game for success

[John B]

I don't know why Pop subbed White who was on the roll with Murray, that stopped Spurs' offensive flow. Then aggravated with Forbes who kept getting burned on defense. That's when Spurs lost the game.

[ZeusWillJudge]

When you shoot 44.6% and let the other team shoot 53.3%, you're gonna lose the game. No big mystery.

I commented on one Portland 3P during the game. The Spurs defenders were all compressed along the baseline. Portland could have had an uncontested 3 pretty much anywhere along the arc. I don't think there was a Spur within 10 feet of that shooter.

[MultiTroll]

Portland is coming off a 30-point loss, you knew they were going to play angry, Spurs came out aggressive and didn't allow them to get going early. Just have to keep that intensity in the 2nd half, the better coached team will win.
Well?

[FkLA]

love that stat stuffing move by Derrick "no lift" White at the end. We see all his "tools".

The slow choppy drive to the rim

his "is it a floater" Floater

The miss

the no lift leap for the rebound and put back

Oh yeah, NOBODY was in his way

TRASH ASS no star recruit this team DRAFTED in the First round, lets be honest NOBODY was gonna draft this stuttering prick... you could have gotten him as undrafted signee

People on this board stand for this piss of turds

Don't you dare talk about my Derrick like that.

[UZER]

I don't know why Pop subbed White who was on the roll with Murray, that stopped Spurs' offensive flow. Then aggravated with Forbes who kept getting burned on defense. That's when Spurs lost the game.

Pop has been doing this for years. How many times did he pull the same shit with Kawhi. He doesn’t believe in hot or flow, unless it’s giving the other team all the credit.

[HarlemHeat37]

Not just rotations, but Pop needs to start experimenting stylisticslly, as well. He needs to figure out what the optimal system for Murray and Walker will be offensively, figure out whether the team needs to play with more pace or a defensive style, etc.

Stop catering to Aldridge and his post touches, start spreading shit around and looking towards next year, figure out the strengths of the younger players(if they have any).

[sasaint]

I hate the homer Spurs media guys as much as I hate the Old Asshole. I am so sick of those guys saying about an opponent "can't take them lightly" as if this Spurs team was still a dominant force in the league and not the lottery team we are.

[slick'81]

Well?

i thought it was a troll attempt

[sasaint]

When you shoot 44.6% and let the other team shoot 53.3%, you're gonna lose the game. No big mystery.

I commented on one Portland 3P during the game. The Spurs defenders were all compressed along the baseline. Portland could have had an uncontested 3 pretty much anywhere along the arc. I don't think there was a Spur within 10 feet of that shooter.

I wonder how many games this season we have had an opponent shoot over 50%. Crazy. Just another little factoid that makes me (sometimes) believe Pop really is tanking.

[MultiTroll]

I don't know why Pop subbed White who was on the roll with Murray, that stopped Spurs' offensive flow. Then aggravated with Forbes who kept getting burned on defense. That's when Spurs lost the game.
For that matter whether it be White, Murray or Lonnie IV why do they always have to be paired with a midget? Creates a virtual 4 on 5 defense. Portland very much a 3 point shooting team. So Grandpa counters with a midget on the floor.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I wasn't clear. I meant he hits Js from around the FT line; he has 12-14 foot range.


Gotcha. I remember one, but I believe you. I'm getting to the point my senses are sort of dulled anyway. This shit is getting old. Gary Trent is averaging 6 points and 1.3 made 3's for the season. Tonight he had 18 points on 6-7 from the arc. This team just keeps making opponents look like HOF candidates.

I just did a quick check on Whiteside's stats and, yeah, he's improved his shooting from pretty much everywhere. He's leading the league in blocks, too. Looks to me like the biggest reason to dislike him is that he's on the other team.

[MultiTroll]

i thought it was a troll attempt
Right.
So let's hear Trolleys response.

[FkLA]

This team is flawed in a lot of ways but Brent is by far the biggest flaw. There's always a lot of finger pointing at this guy for clanking a few shots, that guy for not being a cold blooded closer, or this guy for being soft. All of that pales in comparison to Brent. It is truly impressive how much this motherfucker sucks. I have never seen someone's individual defense weigh a team down so much. It's hard to put into words just how much he sucks. You can always count on him to vomit all over himself on offense (his supposed strength) at least a couple times per game too.

Pop is a fucking idiot. I truly think he takes his "if you don't hit threes in today's league, you don't win" bullshit literally. Like he actually thinks Brent hitting three threes helps even if he's directly responsible for like 35 points on the other end.

[ZeusWillJudge]

This team is flawed in a lot of ways but Brent is by far the biggest flaw.

Pop is a fucking idiot.



I think the two have to be grouped as the biggest thing wrong with the Spurs. You can't talk about one without talking about the other.

[venitian navigator]

Pop has to start playing the young guys more going forward, need to have a contingency plan after missing the playoffs.

Murray, White and Walker are a very awkward fit together, as bad as it gets for a young core from a fit perspective, but you need to figure out who you're going to build with for the future. Forbes is a finished product, don't waste any more time on Rudy Gay or Belinelli, etc.

I agree its time to play the young guys more...the point is that next season, expecially if DDR opts in, we're back with the last seasons of DDR, LMA and Rudy (plus Carroll). If this one we're living is a lottery season (and at this point I don't see a lot of chances we can avoid it) with the team trying to behave in a reaching play offs mode, next one will probably be a necessary tanking season...I say this because its now becoming clear as daylight the lack of talent this team has...
That said, I can't see buyers in the summer for the corpse of Gay and Carroll, nor a trade package enticing enough for selling LMA and an opting in DDR.
Its possible then that at some point some radical choice will be made...but just out of desperation.
So the so told firesale could be coming...once the FO realizes that veterans are no longer deserving playing time if they don't buy in a teaching the young guys role (and franckly in LMA, DDR and Gay I don't see any will of teaching anything...they have always been finished products with a me first mentality, aka the usual veteran nba player).
I repeat I say this because its now clear as daylight the lack of talent this team has...and that the veterans we have are that good that they can lead you to a 10 place at best in a stronger than last year western conference.
The problem will be that all of our old veterans will be in their contract year...so I see no way they will behave in the right way, letting the young guys play and develop while they seniors are rotting on the bench and so making no numbers in hope of a last decent contract...

[ZeusWillJudge]

They're replaying the game now. I'm thinking about watching it again to see if the Spurs can get their shit together.

[SpurPadre]

Seriously, no trolling, if we end up with a top 10 pick, does he get DNP-CD out the gate or sent straight to the G-league no matter what and be deemed ready in 3 years?

[poopbox]

Wouldn't Carroll hold the leverage in your scenario...?

Who would even believe him?

[HarlemHeat37]

I agree its time to play the young guys more...the point is that next season, expecially if DDR opts in, we're back with the last seasons of DDR, LMA and Rudy (plus Carroll). If this one we're living is a lottery season (and at this point I don't see a lot of chances we can avoid it) with the team trying to behave in a reaching play offs mode, next one will probably be a necessary tanking season...I say this because its now becoming clear as daylight the lack of talent this team has...
That said, I can't see buyers in the summer for the corpse of Gay and Carroll, nor a trade package enticing enough for selling LMA and an opting in DDR.
Its possible then that at some point some radical choice will be made...but just out of desperation.
So the so told firesale could be coming...once the FO realizes that veterans are no longer deserving playing time if they don't buy in a teaching the young guys role (and franckly in LMA, DDR and Gay I don't see any will of teaching anything...they have always been finished products with a me first mentality, aka the usual veteran nba player).
I repeat I say this because its now clear as daylight the lack of talent this team has...and that the veterans we have are that good that they can lead you to a 10 place at best in a stronger than last year western conference.
The problem will be that all of our old veterans will be in their contract year...so I see no way they will behave in the right way, letting the young guys play and develop while they seniors are rotting on the bench and so making no numbers in hope of a last decent contract...

Good point, didn't think about that, I fully agree that I can't picture Aldridge or Gay taking on mentor roles in a contract year. DeRozan won't and shouldn't as he still has the potential for 1 more big contract.

Pop has really dug himself in a deep hole with this roster construction and uncertainty of the future. He hasn't even given himself a chance to evaluate the young players to a full extent, either. This is why I think he's going to surprise us and retire sooner than expected IMO.

[Robz4000]

Pop has to start playing the young guys more going forward, need to have a contingency plan after missing the playoffs.

Murray, White and Walker are a very awkward fit together, as bad as it gets for a young core from a fit perspective, but you need to figure out who you're going to build with for the future. Forbes is a finished product, don't waste any more time on Rudy Gay or Belinelli, etc.

White/Walker and Murray/Walker have looked great together, and the limited minutes we've seen of Murray/White have been promising. The youth fits together fine, it's just a matter of whether or not they're worth building around. The rest of the season should be dedicated to looking at that.

[duncan2k5]

Good point, didn't think about that, I fully agree that I can't picture Aldridge or Gay taking on mentor roles in a contract year. DeRozan won't and shouldn't as he still has the potential for 1 more big contract.

Pop has really dug himself in a deep hole with this roster construction and uncertainty of the future. He hasn't even given himself a chance to evaluate the young players to a full extent, either. This is why I think he's going to surprise us and retire sooner than expected IMO.

LMFAO!LMA take on mentor role?? He would demand a trade mid-season if that ever happened

[John B]

For that matter whether it be White, Murray or Lonnie IV why do they always have to be paired with a midget? Creates a virtual 4 on 5 defense. Portland very much a 3 point shooting team. So Grandpa counters with a midget on the floor.
White and Mills were not bad, because Mills was also hitting his shots. And I don't mind Mills who have been in clutch situations before. If Spurs had the lead, then yes Pop should put his best defensive line-up.

[vander]

Time get the 2020 offseason thread fired up. Bryn and Belli leaving will be step in the right direction.
I'm still hoping that after having good year stats-wise, the Spurs can trade DDR for a first rounder and a bad contract, assuming he opts in

[Fireball]

Another game where Bryn was a traffic cone on defense, made shitty fouls or came up short when rotating ... damn I cannot stand watching him any longer

[slick'81]

Seriously, no trolling, if we end up with a top 10 pick, does he get DNP-CD out the gate or sent straight to the G-league no matter what and be deemed ready in 3 years?


Theres 10 teams that dont even have 20 wins yet. Spurs got some work to do

[EasyMoney]

I'll be the biggest dejounte Homer on this board. But dejounte has been very inconsistent. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since he is coming back from a torn acl and has no one in the lineup to help him on defense. But even from draft night, it was clear that he is not a point guard and shouldn't be molded as such. He has no mentor to help him this year, no one to picky back off of for advice compared to last year he played. The least pop can do is play him more with Derrick white so it takes the pressure off dejounte to have to be a point guard. Or just start both of them together.

It's so annoying how both dj and Derrick can't even play 25 minutes. Having Jamal Crawford on this squad would do wonders for dejounte. Someone who could put dejounte in check and keep him motivated and consistent.

[Dejounte]

Is it possible only Spurs fans see how much Bryn Forbes sucks and other GMs dont? Could there be a bad GM out there who actually thinks Bryn is a decent player because he starts and shoots 3s? Can we attach him with a pick to move up in the draft? That will be the only positive out of all this.

[SupremeGuy]

White was the future last season. Poop somehow managed to ruin White, Murray, and Walker; at the same goddamn time.

[FkLA]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1225660068642738177

Sorry give me more 5 star athletes like this over more of the Byrn Forbes Derick White no star recruit lil engine that could isn't it a great how hard he works to overcome his lack of ABILITY so HIGH IQ bullshit any day.

Cant wait for Vegas and no more of this bullshit Blue Collar San Antonio fuckery culture where a guy like POP can do this shit an NOBODY in any position even thinks to question it....except on message boards...

lets wait for the c+ b+ or whatever BS is coming later tonight..... I haven't looked in years TBH

Derrick White is a good athlete with good size and length, bro. Look up his combine numbers. He's not a freak like Lonnie/Luka but he's also not Brent fucking Forms. It's blasphemous to put him in the same sentence as that piece of shit charity case.

[FkLA]

Is it possible only Spurs fans see how much Bryn Forbes sucks and other GMs dont? Could there be a bad GM out there who actually thinks Bryn is a decent player because he starts and shoots 3s? Can we attach him with a pick to move up in the draft? That will be the only positive out of all this.

No, not possible. I think every single human being except one sees how much he sucks. Unfortunately that one person is named Gregg Popovich.

[Dejounte]

No, not possible. I think every single human being except one sees how much he sucks. Unfortunately that one person is named Gregg Popovich.

I think Ive heard Charles Barkley praise Forbes on national tv and other team announcers comment positively about him though.

[SpurPadre]

I think Ive heard Charles Barkley praise Forbes on national tv and other team announcers comment positively about him though.

They praise him but in the way they would praise a Special Olympics athlete, tbh.

[UZER]

I think Ive heard Charles Barkley praise Forbes on national tv and other team announcers comment positively about him though.

The praise is purely on Pops reputation. They see him starting, but never actually watch him play. They just assume if Pop is playing him so much, well then he must be an awesome little player.

Nobody watches the Spurs. They still think Pop has this magic wand to waive over guys. They don’t realize nobody wants to play for him anymore, except for Forbes.

[Dejounte]

The praise is purely on Pops reputation. They see him starting, but never actually watch him play. They just assume if Pop is playing him so much, well then he must be an awesome little player.

Nobody watches the Spurs. They still think Pop has this magic wand to waive over guys. They don’t realize nobody wants to play for him anymore, except for Forbes.

Thats my point though. The hope is that other GMs feel that way so we can get something for Forbes.

[Mugen]

White was the future last season. Poop somehow managed to ruin White, Murray, and Walker; at the same goddamn time.

This. His neutering/handling of those 3 will have negative ramifications on this franchise long after Pop has stepped away. Real shame.

[TDomination]

Is it possible only Spurs fans see how much Bryn Forbes sucks and other GMs dont? Could there be a bad GM out there who actually thinks Bryn is a decent player because he starts and shoots 3s? Can we attach him with a pick to move up in the draft? That will be the only positive out of all this.
I'm sure Forbes has some kind of value. Its not much but some. A team that doesn't have 8 Guards on their lineup may be okay with him as a backup SG or a 10th man that can come in from time to time to get the offense going. If he's on, keep him in. If not, take him out ASAP.

[Mugen]

The praise is purely on Pops reputation. They see him starting, but never actually watch him play. They just assume if Pop is playing him so much, well then he must be an awesome little player.

Nobody watches the Spurs. They still think Pop has this magic wand to waive over guys. They don’t realize nobody wants to play for him anymore, except for Forbes.

Bingo. Nobody really gives a shit about the Spurs since the Kawhi trade except for diehard Spurs fans and diehard Spurs haters :lol

Now that the Spurs suck, the national media isn't forced to give two shits about them so they don't really realize how much Pop has slipped this year/last few years...

[Prime BEEF]

Bingo. Nobody really gives a shit about the Spurs since the Kawhi trade except for diehard Spurs fans and diehard Spurs haters :lol

Now that the Spurs suck, the national media isn't forced to give two shits about them so they don't really realize how much Pop has slipped this year/last few years...
We’ve really fallen off a cliff. It is crazy how little coverage the spurs are getting by the media. Tv shows, talk radio, web articles, etc.

[sasaint]

Bingo. Nobody really gives a shit about the Spurs since the Kawhi trade except for diehard Spurs fans and diehard Spurs haters :lol

Now that the Spurs suck, the national media isn't forced to give two shits about them so they don't really realize how much Pop has slipped this year/last few years...

That's true. And it is a shame for the Spurs. Media apathy is much worse than media attention. If the media gave a shit about the Spurs or even hated the Spurs, they would be ripping the Old Asshole.

[DC23]

Can someone else create the game thread for tomorrow's game so I don't have to? ;)

[Slippy]

Murray, Walker and Gay were all worse than Forbes tonight.

Walker and Bryn . I thought they both delivered on their roles. One guy didn't get to play the third quarter, pop went with Marco while Bryn got his consistent mins.

How was Walker worse? keeping in mind they all got roles to play as in instructed by the coach.